future generations this secured for you we've hire enslaved endlessly like your freedom's gone your courage lost you're no more than a slave in this the land is a free the brave you buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun permits to start a business or to build a place for one on land that you believe you own you pay a yearly rent although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent your children must attend a school that doesn't educate And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've given government control. those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seemingly farm and keep our country deep. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters, the prisoners send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children fear, O sons of the Republic? Arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and eat God given right. And pray to God, as I awoke he vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his parents trampled each god-given right. We only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer? He called out from the grave. Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first hour of the Intelligence Report. I'm R. Kornke. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories Northeast West Southwest and North Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on www.libertytreeradio.4mg.com Liberty Tree Radio dot org And we're on satellite. I'm going to say hi to all of our, and thank you, to all of our listeners who then rebroadcast virtually across the globe in so many ways that it is impossible to get a final count. Impossible, literally. But it's great work that's being done. So we want to say thank you again, Analog and Digital Satellite. We're also in a myriad of other communications technologies, both inside and outside these United States. And it is Wednesday! It's Weapons Wednesday. It is the 28th of May. It is the 17th year of open, obvious, and in-your-face, Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K 2025 old earth calendar. Give it all you've got, Captain! One hundred and twenty-five percent! Ugh! And you might still blow up. And, 2025, Battle for the Republic Book III, a dark anniversary. So it's Weapons Wednesday. Bunch of stuff going on, needless to say, out of the district of criminals. Putin isn't falling for the BS-ers in Washington, no matter who they are. Right now, of course, it creates more melodrama for whatever actual shenanigans are going on behind the scenes. Remember, what you see up front is always a BS session. Whatever is actually going on is far worse. But as it is, again, remember that we are only a red button push away from a big war. and there's a whole bunch of shysters, a whole bunch of ring knockers and small hat wearers that are trying to get you killed and they're trying to figure out how to engage. So we need to be prepared for that. That's why Weapons Wednesday is, oh well, actually Weapons Wednesday is always a joke every day on the Intel report because we always get back to weapons. But in this case, your enemy is unfought. It's obvious they're testing the waters for whenever they think they need to hit the switch. My attitude is go ahead and do it. I mean that's not a problem. Go ahead and try that. Let's see what happens. We'll see how the people put up with it this time. Whoever tries to stir the pot with this BS, it's not going to be the government you have to worry about because we've had enough. So whatever they want to do, we know who's behind it and that's who we're going after. The ones who are behind the problem. Whenever you shoot that bastard farther back than the knuckle draggers up front, the hut-huts, because you get rid of that bastard, you get rid of almost all your problems. Something to think about there. Anyway, a couple things right off the bat. Yesterday we were talking about, we got into the subject when one of our callers was talking about tactical gear, etc. We kind of got off on also weapons and support. Let me qualify that because we probably should have gotten a little deeper into it as a subject. You probably don't have automatic weapons. Duh. Of course you don't. Typically you don't. The only weapons initially in automatic fire that you're going to be pulling are the ones you're going to be taking from the warm dead corpses you create with regard to the knuckle draggers, black uniforms, foreign uniforms, whatever they might be, secret police cooperating with the foreign troops and American soil. There'll be plenty of them. We have all kinds of traitors in government. They've already shown you this. Treason is the season in Washington, D.C. And treason has been the season in the states for a very long time with all these racks and parasites that have been hired and put in uniform. More than happy to follow the order of any communist that gives them the order to kill Americans. That's just how it is. And it's been that way for quite some time. So here's the thing. You don't have automatic weapons. You need to be able to substitute solutions for any of these situations. Number one, we were talking about a support weapon within a team. And the caller was talking about, well, issuing out bandoliers with specific magazines for a certain weapon. Well, what does that certain weapon do? It represents a base of fire or support weapon that typically would be in both fire teams. Now, remember, although we have militias that have 12 man squads, we have militias that have 10 man and also have bought into the short man, eight man squad. The eight man squad is not the best choice. And the only reason the eight man squad came about is because of the shortage of manpower while trying to create the illusion that the army still had the numbers it had. You do understand that, right? Also, the limits of the APCs and armored vehicles because of their lack of capability based upon intentional malfeasance in design, which forced them to compress the number of people they could put into the field with a particular type of equipment. In other words, the vehicle was too damn small and they're limited in terms of carrying capacity, so they had to knock the squad down to eight men because they had to lie about what they were actually able to do. However, there are eight man squad formations in the militia. It's not a problem. The individual tactical formations and how they operate independently is fine no matter what part of the planet or part of the country they're operating on. It's not our job to micromanage that particular issue. In fact, as is typically the case, in each area of operation, if we have a fight, the formations will gravitate to what works. See how that's just the basic rule. They will gravitate to what works. Now in each of these squads, you have two fire teams typically though. You have a four-man fire team. In this case, I'm going to focus on a 10-man squad. That's our standard. We do have other formations right here in Michigan, Colonial Marine Militia. Michigan Militia at Large has a couple of different organizational mechanisms that work differently as far as how they're structured, the individual and at the team and platoon level. But a five-man fire team is the base for us. In that, we have a Grenadier, you have an Automatic Rifleman, and then you have 3 Rifleman slash Variable Infantry. Why do I say that? Well, if I acquire more grenade launching capability, I'm going to try to give every man the ability to launch a grenade. You know, to have a grenade launcher. If I could strip enough bodies to put, you know, 4 men out of 5 in a fire team with a grenade launcher, I would. It's poor man's rocket artillery, so to speak. It's a barrage gun. When four people have that capability, it's devastating for the local tactical face-on-face operations. But in order for that to work, you have to have a base fire weapon. Now traditionally, in the past, we've seen as the Army developed, different weapon systems were put into service for that particular purpose. In World War I, the BAR came into existence as the base fire weapon. Submachine guns were not quite in the service, but they were out there and the submachine gun would be another or light carbine in a 9mm 40 caliber or 45 would be another weapon that would be integrated into the team. More on that, we're not going to get too complicated. However, the originally the squad weapon was the BAR. It was actually supposed to be truly an assault weapon. It's counterpart, because we didn't have enough BARs initially, was the Shisho, sometimes known as the Shih Tzu or Shit Shit, or there were many other derogatory names I've heard from World War I veterans that I personally knew. And I know some of them that owned them because they brought them back with them from the war. Did I say that? Oh, hell yes. They brought a lot of them back, both in 8mm Labelle and 30-06. But both of those guns serve a purpose. Suppression, fire, and support fire on what become hardened targets or objectives that are critical. The purpose behind the squad gun is to provide a sustained covering fire to suppress the enemy's fires so that the rest of the fire team and the rest of the squad can do its job. Now to the two fire teams support each other within each of those fire teams this automatic rifleman's job It's designated his job is literally to not spray and pray but to In a limited capacity hose down a target to create a cone of destruction and hopefully suppress either enemy aggressor rallies or Objectives or targets that are critical example is my machine gunner or my automatic rifleman's firing it there automatic rifleman trying to put him out of business But no matter how we look at it, it's a support weapon. It's a base fire weapon. The BAR survived to World War II and survived into Korea. The Shuso, needless to say, was an area weapon from World War I out of the picture. Other weapons were developed to kind of overlap with this. The Browning 1919 machine gun was developed in a stock mounted variant that became an infantry weapon much like the MG34 or the MG42 or the Bren gun in the British military. Now the German guns were belt fed, the Bren gun was another magazine fed gun like the BAR. However we look at this, these weapons evolved into what was the Next generation, which was one gun does everything, but will designate one of those one guns that does everything to have a heavier barrel, a bulkier stock, and typically carrying a little bigger magazine. And so the M15 was born, as I've told you many times. Don't confuse that with the AR-15. We're talking the M15, which is the M14 built as a squad automatic rifle. Supposed to replace the BAR. In other services, for instance, with Belgium, the FN49 was developed, and this is an overlapping period, with an extended detachable magazine system and a bipod and was supposed to work as the equivalent to the BAR or other squad-type weapons in service with the Belgians, and other countries bought the weapon system. In either case, this is where you take existing rifles and actually beef them up or modify them for squad automatic rifle purposes. And yes, the auto rifle would be full auto. This is true of the FN49 variant with a magazine feed and a bipod. Well, it was an idea, but very quickly for the US military, the M60 machine gun takes the place of the M15. They didn't consider it to be satisfactory. They also wanted more firepower. The belt fed gun offers more with sustained fire without interruption to the operator so the operator can focus on putting bullets on target. From the M60 of Vietnam and post Vietnam era we then get a number of other solutions, the 5.56 saw guns and the FN, F-N, F-N, not F-A-L, F-N, belt-fed squad gun which is kind of the horse breed in between. It's St. Felucian's the M60 but it's foreign made. It is issued to all the services at one point or another and again is in 7.62x51 NATO. So what do they all have in common? Their purpose is suppression fire. Can you take another existing weapon and do that? Yes, you can take another, and this is what you're going to have to do temporarily until you've taken up corpses and stripped enough equipment. And even then you'll still end up having to remember to do what I'm going to explain. A designated rifleman that is an automatic rifleman doesn't have to have select fire. It just has to have a twitchy trigger finger and understand how to control the weapon sufficiently to keep a cone of destruction downrange on the target. You're not trying to be a rifle marksman if you're an automatic rifleman. You're trying to spray an area with what is a cone of destruction, the equivalent to a multiple number of shots, dropping into an area but being dispersed enough that it's like a long-range rifle shotgun pattern. Think about it that way. It's like you actually are trying not to be so accurate. The big thing here again is to remember even if you had Only a 10 round magazine on an 8mm or 308, 760x51, any type of semi-auto that has a 10 round box magazine or larger. You can completely create the illusion of automatic fire. Remember, first of all, unlike the movies where you see these guys just holding the trigger down and burning a belt out, well that's a great way to destroy a barrel. If you are familiar with the and they don't teach you proper practice because they don't want to because the idea is so that if you ever do pick up a weapon you're stupefied by propaganda from Hollywood and you don't know how to use your automatic weapon properly in three to five round bursts with occasional sustained 10 or 12 round bursts. Now the important thing is that most your work is going to be three to five or as you remember that three rounds to five hold on caller. And that is where you can be highly deceptive. Go ahead, jump in there please. I was just going to make a little comment there. It's a good way to burn out the barrel. It's also a good way to run out of ammunition. Then that thing is just a big heavy club. Over. Right. The biggest problem with having a high cyclic rate or an automatic weapon is that it seems strange that the magazines or the belt just... The magazines get empty faster. Where'd that ammo go? Or where'd my belt go? Oh, what happened? And this is the one thing people forget is sustainment of contact in the field. One of the other reasons that you want to, you know, the gutter will fire three rounds and then actually change target on another objective that he sees him say burn five rounds. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum The idea is that when you are hearing that, pup-pup-pup. That's a three round burst going into a target that is a target of opportunity. Probably it can be an infantryman exposed. It can be a suspected position where a support weapon is located. Take your pick, whatever it is. The gunner is trained and or is directed. He's trained to look for it and object it because he can't be micromanaged constantly. But typically the team leader will take control to a degree and direct the fire of the automatic rifleman to create proper sculpting of the contact that's being made. And here again, think about this, p-p-p-pup, p-p-p-p-pup, that's eight rounds. If you really want to mess with somebody's head, I've done this many times, I've taken a Hakim rifle, or the FN49 we mentioned, and with multiple magazines or stripper clips on hand, I've demonstrated how if you master the reloading technique, how it's impossible to determine whether or not you have a belt-fed or a large magazine capacity rifle in hand. The important thing is taking advantage of the bipod support. And by the way, I've done this even with a quick improvising where you take a standard clip-on type M16 bipod, you know, those stamped or plastic. Stamped is the original. Plastic is an aftermarket idea. But the idea is you clamp it on the end, now you get a bipod. Congratulations. Then you take that 10 rounds, you load one round, then top off the magazine so you have 10 on board. And, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, Yeah, the question is, when you started the program, you said that for the weapon that you're talking about, I know that in the past everybody's talked about a heavier weapon, but you talked about designated bandoliers. So I don't have access to a G3 mag. I live in the stupid idiot state of Illinois, so I can't even buy one for an example. But here's the question I have. Okay, here's the question I have. If you were going to have set up and say that was a weapon, if you wanted to try to have a bandolier with magazines, would it be something like a 20 round AR-10 mag, a G3 mag, something along that same line? Yes, it could. Okay. Well, let me re-qualify real quick. What we were talking about is exactly that. that our caller, taking and embracing a lot of what you and we've talked about on the air here, has built up a bunch of bandoliers using the AR bandoliers that are out there, the Molle type, with 25 round AR-10 mags. And the idea is, or 25 round FALs would work the same way. And by the way, the same company that made those made 25 round M14 mags. There are 25 rounders. I know where there's a couple sitting right now, let's put it that way. And they're an odd man out because they are bigger. However, I could do it with 20 round mags. The BAR used a 20 round mag. And it was a successful weapon, as I've pointed out, even after Vietnam. And I believe they're still in the inventory. I don't think they've gotten rid of them. There will be no reason for special forces, arsenals to strip any of their traditional weapons. Usually like an SF arsenal, the one we had here in Michigan had at any given time 15,000 weapons in inventory of multiple national origin. When I was down at Fort Ochuca, On my off time, I didn't have anything. My wife was up here with the kids, you know, with our daughter. I was stationed down in the bottom of Arizona. I wasn't going to be doing anything other than work, work, work. So I would go on my off time over to the arsenal and I would draw weapons out, can't take them out of the building. You could just pull them into the arms inspection area. and I could go through any weapon I wanted to whenever I wanted to. So I'd pull a weapon out, take a look at it, pull the instruction manuals and information tapes that they had, and break down like a mat submachine gun or a VZ automatic rifle or take a pic. It was just whatever came to my fancy because I looked at the racks and said I want that. They had 10,000, 20,000 weapons there to give the time. Well, half of those weapons The squad automatic riflemen from World War I through to even the middle 60s, it was something in a box magazine fed device. In many cases, while it did have an extended magazine, like I said, the FN49 counterpart squat gun was the same rifle, just think the FN49, same gun, same basic barrel, didn't have a quick change barrel, even just a standard heavier barrel, bipod mounted, but it had a detachable magazine and it only had 20s and 30s. The 30 was kind of awkward because it was a bottom feed, bottom magazine insertion, and the 20 rounders made more sense. And that was a gun that was still in service through to the middle 60s. I know what a standard AR-15 bandolier is made. Specialty defense bandoliers only fit two steel magazines and it's a tight fit. You can't even stick a magpole PMAG in them. That's why the bandoliers that I make are a little bit bigger, the 5x8 is bigger on the pockets. I use Velcro so you can put PMAGs on it or some of the plastic mags that won't fit. Double up on a specialty magazine or a specialty bandolier. I have it sitting right here next to me. Yesterday I pointed out the same thing. There are 25 copies of those sitting here because of what you sent. I understand what you are talking about. That design makes more sense. Well, it makes sense because there are specific issues with regard to the size of each of the different mags. If you're not trying to fit two, the logic here is you've got three pockets. Normally you carry two M16 magazines, 30 rounders. You can insert one magazine in each pocket. We're not planning on doing two with the standard Molly. I understand what he was talking about. And they're the longer magazines, so they're not going to get lost in the pocket well, which happens with some of the pockets, pouches that were designed to carry two 556 type magazines in 30 round. And if you even try to insert 120, you're having to fish down into the pocket. And that creates opportunities for dying in the field. So the big thing here, again, is that we can build two spec, which we do. But we can take off the shelf and use it as long as we understand if somebody else has experimented with it and is satisfied with it, then we can try it out and see if it works. So, no, go ahead, go from there. Yeah, because what I'm wanting to realize, okay, so you're telling me that you can take, say, a 308 magazine off of a BAR or an AR-10, and you can actually select one magazine in each of the pockets on like a normal AR-15 bandolier. The question that I'm asking it, what I'm wanting to find out is, wouldn't it be better to make a specific bandolier for each of those magazines? Okay, would you prefer to have one magazine per pocket or two magazines per pocket for say an AR-10 or a G3 mag or a BAR mag? Because if I remember right, the BAR mags, the M14 mags, they are all very, very close to the same size. The big thing here is because I know the weight and I know how much material it needs to make a magazine. Would you prefer to have a bandolier with three magazines in it? A bandolier with three magazines with three pockets? Or go ahead, which would be easier material-wise for flat material costs. Just to make a bandolier with two big pockets, but to have a flap where you carry four magazines or how would you want to configure your bandolier? That's what I'm trying to figure out because I'm what I'm doing is I'm gonna sit down and make a bandolier if I can figure out what I'm doing here if it's a 20 rounder then Probably a four pack because of the you know if you figure the weight If it was three, kind of like what the Germans or the French have done, or not the Germans, the Russians, where they have the two pockets to the rear and the one front pocket in the center, if I was doing, say, 30 rounders, I might go that way, because the consideration is added weight. And the reason I was qualifying this discussion is, as he pointed out, and as you normally do with the squad gun, is you issue out the supporting magazines or the supporting belts for the squad gutter because he can't carry enough to do his job all by himself. And if everybody shares the load, then we keep that sustainment weapon continually fed. Now, if it's G3 magazines or FNFAL or whatever, if that's what I've got, then that's what I would run. But again, I think it would be easier construction to do two and two. I'm sure it would for design. Two mags front and rear, two mags front and rear, side by side. And then with a carrying strap, a shoulder strap to be able to flop as many over a guy's shoulder as he's willing to carry. And by the way, here's a reason for this. We have a lot of the FN FAL squad guns. Back in the 80s, there was a company, two of them actually, that made from FN FAL squad automatic rifleman's kits a whole pile of FN FALs that are heavy barrel. They've got beefier components. And while yes, they could use a 30 round magazine, the idea was that that was one of these transition guns where the FN FAL in the squad, this squad gun, which by the way had a heavier M14 kind of looking, it was bulkier at one end, it kind of tapered down to the dimension of an M14 mag. But in general the gun was another, what, probably four or five pounds heavier, but it was intentionally so, it had to be beefed up for what it was supposed to do. But it used standard F and FAL mags. So, most everybody that we have that's got these, well, they have a handful, maybe two, three, or five. I mean, we bought them back when they were a lot cheaper. Thirty-round, and there are some 25-round F and FAL military mags. The lion's share of what you're going to use is going to be standard slab, 20-round FAL mags. And that really was the intention with the gun when it was built. So all it is is an FNFAL on steroids being used like a BAR. So there again, 20 round mags is 99% of what everybody's probably going to have on the shelf. So we definitely would want a 20 round mag design. If we're going to need 20 round slab mag design that would be either three or four mags per bandolier. I would say that that would be a, and again, go lighter material. Think about bandoliers. Okay, this is another thing we've got to qualify here. We call it bandolier today, as we know, like with the MOLLE gear. We call it a bandolier, but the thing is built as well as any of the other MOLLE pouches that are part of your standard kit. Whereas traditionally, bandoliers are a semi-glob, well they're totally disposable, but they've got to be better than just tissue paper, but they're lower grade, they're heavy enough to maintain control of whatever they've got in them. And the best example of this is two really weird versions. Number one, which is one you've seen if you've been in the military, 40 millimeter grenade bandoliers. which were again about the same material weight as the bandoliers for 5.56 and some 6.2x51 NATO ammo. There's another bandolier most people haven't seen that was made for the boys rifle because the boys rifle the ammo came in stripper clips. So it's like a really big badass mic on steroids, bandolier counterpart to like say the 30-06 ammunition bandoliers. And they were built a little heavier and they did fine. Now what I'm thinking is, and the material we have here would be about the right gauge for a bandolier that you've already done, but you've already got the model we have right, in fact like I said, I'm looking right at it right now, and there's 25 copies sitting underneath it. But we could make it lighter so it can be dumped without crying about it. That's what I'm thinking about. Here's the thing. Basically, the material that I took to using when the Corduras got higher than hell, I switched to a polyester canvas material. And I don't know if you've got the green one there. You've probably got a green mandolier there. We've got the Woodland. Okay, okay. Well even the Woodland I think you've got is still a 20 ounce polyester canvas material. It's rated for outdoor use. Here's the thing. Is anybody listening or do you happen to know what the basic dimensions for say a G3F and FLL magazine is? What's the width, height, and the thickness? Oh, off the top of my head, I have a period up and taking it. There we go. That guy had dark into it. He's right there where he's got it on hand. Before I forget, and for you, hold on here. I'm going to have to. OK. I don't know if you've caught the name of this one company, which I've mentioned several times. CamelFabricDepot.com. Have you ever been there? Yes, I have. Yes, I have. Right now they've got a 20% off the whole site and if you go to the clearance section, they have a bunch of the different stock materials in what would be pouch or bag grade for what you're doing. That's normally a 500 VN weight Cordura. Yeah. How much? That's what they are. For $499 to $699 a yard. Okay, that's a damn good price because I lost all of my suppliers. Okay, in the clearance sale? You want to go over in the clearance section? They have all other standard stock. Okay, they have many patterns. They have two of them over there right now. One is the Crypttec Obscura Knox, which I think is a really interesting pattern. And the other one is the Obscura Skyfall. Now, they're a little more expensive, but still pretty reasonably priced for being a Cryptek stupid price for most everything. You'll see other Cryptek items there. But they also have woodland. They do have some other of the different real trees or mossy oak types. There's a bunch of stuff there. Too numerous to mention. You need to go take a look. You'll know what you want. Yeah, OK. Now, is Darr there where he's got some dimensions? And he's working on it. He'll speak up. Okay. He'll speak up. Yeah, hang on. I got sidetracked here. I got to go upstairs and grab something. Be back in a minute. So again, for everybody out there who might also be interested in what we're talking about, camofabordepo.com. That's C-A-M-O-F-A-B-R-I-C-A-N-O-F-A-B-R-I-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A-C-A-N-O-F-A- Go to the clearance section always. You never know what's going to pop in there. The big thing is that there's a couple of materials that would be very useful for the kind of work that we're talking about and aren't crazy priced. for the holiday a site wide 20% off on top of everything else no matter what it is. It doesn't make any difference if it's clearance or if it's regular inventory. So that's another reason to go check them out and take advantage of it if it's still there. If it's not, well you still probably get, if you've never been there before it's like 10% off if you're new for the first buy. Go ahead. Yeah, well it all comes down to See, there for a while, you couldn't even buy any of the Corduras or even the polyester canvas fabrics. They got so stinking high. And a lot of the stuff that I was buying, my thread supplier went out of business. My two cloth suppliers went out of business. Now, I've got partial rolls. But like I said, if I'm thinking since two pockets, That should be relatively, now the design that I have, would that design work or do I need to make more of a square bottom pocket? Because I can do that too. I just normally don't do it. Well, let me double check. Those are being used for ARs right now. Yeah, let me double check just like Dar is doing. I've got the specs here. The basic design would work. The only thing is to shorten it. Well, you don't have to. Well, you may be a little. But remember, if it's a 20-rounder, you know how much shorter it's going to be over a 30-round box mag. Well, it would be one-third the height. So it would be one-third higher. 20-rounder versus a 30-rounder. The big thing here again is if you make the flat variable with Velcro, it could handle either. It can be expanded a little. Like the French, those French mag pouches that they were offering at Sportsman's Guide, they're all gone now. But I do have, with your woodland pattern that we copied, I have maybe a bag of two bundles of those. And what they did is they just went with an extended flap, as is typically the case with a lot of the aftermarket stuff. where the velcro is running a little farther down the face. And so if you need to tighten it up for a 20-router, you just pull it down farther. You know, just release it and set it down farther. That makes sense. That was the way to go. How close did you guys actually copy those? Did you just basically duplicate it? Or the back piece is actually one piece folded and then? I just gave it to the sweatshop girls and said, see this? And they said, yes. And I said, can you make it with the stuff I have sitting here? Because I had, it's like you said, I just went through my camouflage clothing inventory, cloth inventory got to my mark, cloth inventory. And I have several bolts of stuff sitting here that are, again, some of it's what I just mentioned, like the Obscura. But I wanted them to build these because we've got another unit that does nothing but woodland. And so I had a certain amount of old woodland. Actually, I think it's contract cloth for the Alice gear. I still have two probably about six, seven yard flaps of that, 72 inches tall, probably six yards long. I gave them some of that because it was not the oldest, but it was odd man out. They used that up. They used up some strapping I had. We went with a little different strapping, but that's about it. Again, it was what was on hand. But it's the idea that it's basically the same. It is the same model. It's just with variations in construction. When there's nothing wrong with that, you've got to go with what you've got. That's the whole deal. Because of Trump's tariffs, you can't go on Teemu or even eBay and pick some of this stuff up anymore at even a modest price. It's all through the damn rug. Or, here's what I've noticed, and this has happened even with some of the retailers right now. I don't really know if anybody's paid attention, but if you go to the certain items and it's a certain family of like a certain color or something, it will say inventory, you know, present inventory unavailable at this time. You know, present inventory as it's listed, unavailable. It doesn't say that it's not ever going to be available, it's just that It's been blocked. Obviously, I think they're trying to rub in the fact that through whatever they've been doing with the tariffs, it's blocked and they can't get it. They're leaving it in the catalogs though. I've had this happen several times, not with this company here, with Camo Fabric, but other companies have already had this happen. In fact, to be quite honest, one of my oldest wholesale importers and what's fascinating is out of the blue, 50% of their elastic, I was buying elastic from them, and 50% of what they have now has this notification that they are not available. Now they're not killed, they usually pull it from the inventory, but the wording, it's kind of like, yeah, well we were able to get it, but we aren't able to get it right now. And it was, there's like two or three brands, they're side by side by side. And all of this one company's inventory, which obviously means that it's a, you know, it was probably an on-time delivery thing for them. They get so many thousands of yards or whatever. It's been stopped. So you're right, but that's something we've expected. This is nothing we should be surprised about because this is something across the board. We've warned everybody. We knew that this was coming. We can only do so much, but we're going to have to negate that from the design. It's kind of like World War II in Germany. Yeah, we were making the equipment like this, but then they bombed a plant in Schmitzenbergen. So now we have to make it with the hemp and the other stuff. Yeah, yeah, we do it that way. It works out just fine. Towards the end of the war, I mean, come on. In this case, it's been an economic war against us and it's affecting every aspect of industry. It's a little bit. We're talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. Especially aluminum prices. Well, and that's something that, again, if anybody's been scrapping, there's some really weird stuff going on there. But it's interesting, where we have certain smelts, certain iron mongery groups. Prices have almost doubled for scrap, paying for scrap in aluminum and steel. Now it's funny, you go the other direction and they're not offering such a great price. But we have a couple right down here on the Michigan-Ohio border. We have a major steel company down here. It's one of the few in Michigan, all their Esther dead. But they're absorbing everything. Well, somebody gave him a wink and a nod. They're cranking out specific metal. I don't know what they're doing, but I would assume it's war production. You know what I mean? In other words, our American production in any category has not gone up. The only place for any kind of increase in interest is with war production. So there's something that they're... Yeah, the alloy. ...attached you. Yeah. Something that they're doing is about it. Yeah, the alloys. And it's heating up everything. Yeah. Well, I know locally some of... Yeah, I want to say locally, the machine shop is around here. I mean, I know a guy who is spending $15,000, $20,000, $30,000 a month on steel. And the big steel companies come to him and say, well, we can't do business with you anymore. You're not buying enough. And these guys were buying like AR500, an inch and a half and two inch thick pieces because of what they were building. And then they come to him and said, well, you're not buying enough. Bull crap. We're on 500. That's like the old news deal. Right, what that comes down to? Well here's the thing, what that comes down to is what I said before. Trump isn't doing us any favor by bringing the foreign companies back into the US because they're not American anymore. Even if it says Maytag, but if 99% of Maytag was in China and all of a sudden they're saying, oh we're going to bring it back to the US. Well it's not American. And I guarantee, it's like I said, by cutting off the resources the way that he did, no American company can start up right now. No, there's no incentives. The tax code doesn't support us. The US code doesn't support us. Go ahead, Mark, I'm sorry. Well, and not only that, but it's just the idea that if we can't acquire it, let's say even if I had the ambition, If I can't buy it because you blocked it, I can't compete against somebody coming in from Malaysia or China or Germany or France who's got an established company who doesn't have the restrictions or any of the complications of the issue of supply because they've got their supply chain from outside that's going to be part of their special dispensation for coming into the US. See how that works? We, if I'm right now, let's say, you know, we need, we know we're going to make more American car widgets. Well, I'm sitting in the middle of the graveyard of the auto industry in all points of the compass. I can show you a hundred buildings that are empty that were all the subcontractors that built dashes for the cars, that built meters for the cars, that built electronics for the cars, that built widgets like plastic fixtures for all your doors, for all your dashes, for all of your under the hood. And you know what? They're all gone. And those were the small manufacturers that kept America alive. Well, if I want to go out and start one of those companies up, I can't do it. No, the Zooli's have been scrapped or sold off. Well, but if I try to go out and buy it, Trump has already put a restriction and has put cost, a cost increase on the product. So if I even had cash capital to somehow scrape something up, It's not available to buy for me. Now, for the ring knocker and the spit swapper and the asshat that he's riding with are all foreigners under this globalist agenda. And the globalists are now going to come in and plot their vulture ass on America as a supposed new company. Well, not even a new company, just, oh, they're showing up and building something here. Well, I can't compete against them. So this is just the other half of globalism. That's all this crap is and nobody wants to talk about it because everybody's doing the blow the smoke up your arse with this Golden Age crap. And it's not Golden Age because no American other than that, no, some workers might benefit for a bit. But here's my problem with this. Every one of these startup programs for like the batteries here in Michigan, everybody goes, well look, we got battery plants. We've had three different waves of battery plants in Michigan. One of them is up in Midland. You and I paid for that factory. Paul, it hired 275 Americans. And as soon as the Americans got the whole plant running, guys, and I know because some of those guys are listening right now, is what did they do? Paul, they brought Mexicans in and they told you, you need to teach this Mexican worker how to run your machine. You're going to show them how to do your job. And so guess what? The Mexicans left. At least they didn't take the plan out that time. But you know who came in next? They had the Chinese come in. And they had Chinaman standing next to all those Americans. Now after the Chinese were taught how to run all of those jobs by the Americans, some of who said, well, I'm just going to quit because I don't need to teach somebody that's my enemy how to make something they try to kill me with. But they did, they let the Chinese all leave and then they rolled the factory up and took it out of the US. The factory you all paid for. Now Mark, I have a question. Go ahead. No. I have a question about that. You know all these companies are coming in here and telling Donald Trump, we're going to build a factory and we're going to put billions of dollars in the United States. Anybody with a damn brain knows that if you go into a major metropolitan area of any place, first you've got to acquire the land, you're going to have to get up per match, you're going to have to have an EPA look at everything, you're going to have to make sure there ain't some dinosaur bone or some dead Indian buried in there. By the time all of this is looked at. Donald Trump will probably be out of office by the time the first damn brick is laid. And I think that this is just blowing smoke and his hind end because they know he's a guy that likes flattery. And they're saying they're going to do all of this, but when they end, they'll come up with excuses and claim they couldn't get the permits or they couldn't get the funding and none of these big factories and stuff will ever be built. Now, is Donald there? Yeah, okay, don't make that by now. Let's see if he if he was able to make it back We'll give him a second. He'll respond. Nope. They don't hear him yet Okay, okay now. Here's here's the thing about that though Remember it works both ways. I personally think that they're gonna be all those list of things that you're worried about That's for us American peasants. That's not for the spit swap and ring knocking yamical wares when they come in See, there's my problem with this. Remember, number one, this is the re- they would call it gentrification in all of the black cities that have been burned down like Detroit. It's re-gentrification, we can't have that. Yeah, well that's basically what they're doing. It's not American companies that are coming back. It's these American companies that became foreign companies, which by the way even got the name of the company. Kind of like Oldsmobile guys. Why are there no American Oldsmobiles anymore? Anybody remember that? Anybody remember what happened? There was this really bizarre announcement that was in the newspaper. Now tell me, news media, this has been decades, a couple decades now. where they said, oh my goodness, General Motors, well, they made a mistake and they didn't free file for the certification and copyright on Oldsmobile and they sold it to the Chinese. Oh well, so now Oldsmobile is owned by China. Now, let's think about something. Oldsmobile is part of what group in America? What's the name of that card? General Motors Corporation, if you have an old enough car, let me give you an idea of how reinforced your company name is, and corporate name, and why they were bullshitting everybody, but they made this fake ass story up because in reality they sold Oldsmobile to Communist China. China wanted it because Oldsmobile was the oldest living American automotive name so it was a big victory to get that from America. They worry about heritage. Americans have their heads so far up their ass they couldn't pull it out with a crowbar and they don't have a clue about their own history or heritage. We do, but the average nincompoop coming from the public fool system is conditioned to be an absolute dupe. So anyway, they were laughing their ass off of there because they got Oldsmobile. But over here, they claimed that they made a boo-boo. Now guys, if you have an old lift car like an AMC, which is American Motor Corporation, it wasn't AMC. It's the Rambler and Nash and a whole bunch of other companies. And it used to be when you opened the door, if you look at any of the guys who were collecting cars, They used to have literally an alliance sticker that would be inside the door right above that panel that tells you what the car is. It's usually stuck in the door. And it had a little symbol of each of the car companies, their national corporate, you know, their copyrighted symbol. Well GM used to be the same way. B, B. Okay, we got Darr? Uh oh, maybe we have B or B? We have nothing. I'm in a situation here, I may have to jump off here and then call back in about 15-20 minutes. Okay, well anyway, back to the matter is that Oldsmobile, there's an example, so those companies, their American names are recognized, but they're not by no stretch of imagination. But they'll still get, they won't worry about EPA, they'll pass the brown envelope under the table for most of what they do, and they'll let them get away with murder. Whereas if you and I tried that, they would cast great lobotomizes. That's the difference between the two. So that's the other part of the problem. Like you said, on the one hand they can drag their feet and get American money and then still not do anything. But they're still not doing anything. We're gonna close. Got what? Over. Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We are on the mark of day and night. Let's remember that a whole lot of craters left this country back when Hampton Gant was past the moment the ink was hitting the paper. They were leaving the U.S. It went to Mexico. They never unpacked, and part of the why of Hampton Gant is that once they got past the border, They can go straight to China. And most of all of them get... All of them? That's right. Don't you forget that. And those in the Bats are supposedly... They're coming back. They don't deserve to come back. No. They've been waging war against the American worker but also against the American economy this whole time. And now they're just playing. They're just delivering the coup de gras. We'll take a break, we'll be back in a minute here. Second grade show, report coming up. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate and your Christian values can't be taught According to this you read about the current news and a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame You've given government control. They'll do you harm, so they could burn down churches and seemingly farm. And keep our country deep. Put men of God in jail. Parash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters, this artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear? O sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and eat God-given right. Pray to God as Iowoki vanished and missed for once he came. His words were true. But we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each god-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer? He called out from the grave. and resting died. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the second hour of the Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Korky. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines, in occupied territories west, south, north, and east. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on www.libertytreeradio.4mg.com. LibertyTreeRadio.org. And we are on the satellite. I want to say hi to all of our listeners who are also rebroadcasters. Too numerous to mention and virtually around the planet on every body of water and near somebody's water. that exist, period, everywhere. It's kind of cool. And that's analog and digital. We're also on a myriad of other communications technologies, both inside and outside these United States. And it is Weapons Wednesday. It is the 28th of May. We're almost done with May, people. It is the 17th year of Open Obvious, an in-your-face Fabian socialist and the Soviet socialist occupation of America with a gay 2025 Old Earth calendar, 2025 Battle for the Republic, book 3, a dark anniversary. And it has been a very busy week and it's already Wednesday. I will remind everybody again, we are going to be up for a third and a fourth hour today. It's not going to be in the traditional sequence, number one. When we're done with this hour, Ed will still be here with the third hour of broadcasting we're going to do, but it's the first hour with, quite frankly, On Rumble. We are going to be co-broadcasting, so you're going to hear a little different intro and a different voice. Normally, Craig from Forbidden Knowledge would be on from 7 to 8 p.m. on Liberty Tree Radio, but he's not going to be here tonight. We're going to be doing this on and off randomly as things progress, but we're also on Rumble. We will be on Rumble from, again, 7 to 8 and then 8 to 9. Beyond Rumble on the program quite frankly Okay, easy to find pretty straightforward rumbles like YouTube in that respect But you'll be able to listen to us here on Liberty Tree radio from 7-8 Mark and from 8 to 9 Yeah, they're here. We're gonna end the program just a little early I usually give you right up to the top of the hour but with this crossover I'm gonna need time because Rumble's gonna play at the beginning of their thing. I will do my best to cut those out for people. Plus he has his own lead in time before he goes live just like redacted. So there'll be a little brief window. I don't know if he plays audio there or not. I did watch, maybe I'll talk with that a little bit about this. I watched more than previous hours for the 8 p.m. hour. 8 to 9 Eastern. I'm not going to be there to keep track of the time for you for the shortwave. So you have to make note of that yourself or maybe I don't know if you've talked to him about doing it or not. Oh we already did. We'll do a break. We'll do it. We'll do it for the second hour. There'll be a top of the hour marker. We'll all incorporate something that'll be a flag so everybody knows where we are and what we're doing. As far as what we get around, I'm going to take care. And that we're going to hook right up after this hour the intelligence report. I'll start rebroadcasting his stream when it starts early because I'm sure there's going to be some buffering so the time's not going to be quite exact. We haven't done a test on this so we don't know how much buffering there is going to be between the live program and that. So that there's, that's the problem with doing simulcast like this because we're going to be rebroadcasting him. And WBCQ is going to be rebroadcasting us. So there could be a pretty big time delay between what you guys are doing and what WBCQ is going to hear. Right. We'll see how this works. Right. Well, again, he'll continue with live through. There'll be a little bit of a, again, top of the hour intermission type of thing. But I'm pretty sure everything will work out. Nobody's going to disconnect if we have a little hesitation, but the big thing here is just to remind everybody that we are doing this for the first time. We are going to be changing this process progressively, but I did not have certain things. Well, actually, I think this format, the way that we presently are doing it, will probably minimize the amount of complications or delays, to be quite honest. Weíve got the ability to do one other form of link, which obviously would put us on time. So weíll see how that works out too. This is one of the things is cooperation. Iíve been doing a couple of other programs with an hour here or a half hour there just, you know, somebody wanted me to stop in and say hi, people that weíve been broadcasting with in the past over the last 30 years. And we're going to have some friends over also. So we're going to have guests. I wish you haven't done that in a while. But we're going to have guests. I've got some of the survivors from the USS Liberty in motion. We've also got some of the individuals from the sovereignty movement, the original group that some of you will be familiar with from the 90s. which is more of the foundational work. There are different schools of thought on the sovereignty issue. We're going to teach you some of the other views. And the straw man, like I said, I'm of the school of capture and destroy it. But there were three different philosophies on the straw man issue. That's another thing we're going to be talking about. Why? Well, because Just to benchmark a little history is that the philosophy of capturing the straw man and monetizing is what the Fremen did up in Montana, okay, the Fremen. They were successful and they actually knew how to run the straw man, which panicked the enemy. Because you're not supposed to do that. Guys, there's no difference between the chicanery of the straw man bot that you're not supposed to know about and USAID. It is the same type of high finance criminal activity made legal. Seriously, there's no difference between USAID and the straw man bond scam against all of the free people of America. So, that's another subject and we are going to be discussing it. I've already been sitting down with other people on this last weekend and two weekends ago as a matter of fact. So, again, these are things that we've been reviewing, teaching people about. We've had a series of classes on the competition between the different factions. Nobody ever does this. Everybody that's either my way or you're wrong. My way or you're wrong. Well, how about there's somebody else talking about, now you don't listen to them. Well, I've had to listen to all of them because in my travels these people were typically speakers. Having heard all of the ball of spaghetti from each angle, I understand, like I've said many times, how people reach into the ball of spaghetti, grab a strand, and tell you, I've discovered this, and this is the only solution. But it came from the ball of spaghetti. How far have you followed that strand? That's not relevant. I found this. Well, it's not the only part of the problem. So anyway, this is going to be fun. Again, it means something, four hours of radio. But we've done that before. I think we'll manage through it. We'll be able to make it work for us. And also, again, be patient. Go ahead. Call our ship in there. Real quick, I know it's, I think it's Weapons Wednesday. I ran into something today on, it's kind of isolated, but on Sanalacbroadcasting.com. They have Swap Shop Radio out here in Sandusky, Michigan. And a guy called in, a Vietnam vet, and he has for sale a entrenching tool. He said it's in excellent condition, the folding one. He has a pistol belt with an ammo bag on it, and it's got two magazines in it that are metal, therefore a 7.62x39, I think he said that he said it's a 30-06 and he said he wants 30 bucks for that. I do have his phone number, but I can't really pull it out right now. I can give out mine. He also has a brand new backpack from that era that it's never been used. He said it was a hundred and thirty two or a hundred and thirty bucks. He spent eight years in the military, got drafted to Vietnam, he re-upped a few times and anyway, he's got this stuff, he's not used it since and he's ready to get rid of it. So, I don't know if anybody's interested, it's probably a Michigan thing, you know? Right. Well, first of all, okay, number one, if the E-tool's an actual regular military E-tool, And it's probably a wooden handle model, I assume, right? Yes. Okay, now the magazines, 7.62x39 and 30.06 are two different worlds. The 30.06 big ass rifle cartridge. So, is it a, you're saying there's two magazines that come with a magazine pouch? Yes, there's two magazines in it and whatever he said, I probably got it wrong. I thought he said 7.62 by, I don't know if he finished it, but he said it was a 30-06 magazine. The both of them are 30-06. Well, it could be 30-06 and he could have a couple of BAR mags. But, you could also have a couple M14 mags. And $30, well let me put it this way, if they're M14 and they're regular Army M14, $30 for everything? That's what he said, not the bag, not the backpack. But for the pistol belt, there's no, I asked if there was a holster, there isn't. It's a pistol belt with the ammo bag with the two magazines and the entrenching tool. He said for 30 bucks. And then he threw in the... You buy for 30, I'll give you a 50, brother. Really? Yeah, well, again. Well, he knows, Darr knows what I'm talking about here because we've been talking about this. Okay, the E-Tool, if the E-Tool is an actual surplus US military E-Tool, then again, it's well made. The magazines are either AK or their M14 or their BAR mags. And no matter how you look at it, the mags alone are actually worth $30 typically. Maybe a little more and be a little less. It depends on what magazine it is. See, that's the thing. So if you can get a clarification on that anyway. Well, how do we want to do this? Well, wait a minute. I tried to get him to come up on the show, you know, and he's like, oh, well, he's an old guy, you know, and he said, I had a couple friends that got involved with the militia and they got in trouble. And I said, well, you know, I mean, I tried to smooth it over, but I didn't do a good job. Okay, well, hold on. Dar has, hold on, we don't need to go any farther. Dar has your number, right? I'm not sure. I got a new phone number. Do you got it there, Dar? You see it? I'm not sure if I, uh, you could text me to get to it. I know my number. Oh, okay. I'm gonna get out of here. Hold on, guys. Stop, stop, stop. I'm gonna make... Go ahead. I don't have your number anymore, Dar. It's in an old phone that I can't open. Okay, there's a problem. So if you could see me on the board. Well, hold on. Darke, can you see him on the board? I'm not on there yet. I'm out here making a... Is Ed there? I've got flounder in the building. If all else fails, we can do it this way. Guys, we're on the air. This is not a teleconference. Okay, number one, I want you to use my email, liberty at provide.net. Send me the number there. I'll do my best. liberty at provide.net. If we don't have your new number, we need it anyway. Right. Hey, Mark. Yeah. So you got it, Ed? I have the number. I'm passing it on to Dar. Perfect. Thanks, Ed. Very good. There we go. OK, now that settles it. And now, OK, on to other things. We've got that other dimension for the MAG. I finally was able to get up there. I had a little bit of crisis going on here. If that caller is there, if he's not, we'll wait till he's gone. He's gone. But go ahead. Go ahead and give this. All right. Go ahead and give it up. Six inches tall. They are three and a sixteenth wide. They are one and an eighth thick. But it's one and a quarter if you consider the magazine D10 tabs. Yep. It's one and an eighth thick. the detent tabs thickness into the overall, it's one and a quarter. So if he's doing dimensional top to bottom, if he wants to run both of them in the same direction and not do them opposite direction, you had to take that into consideration. Over. Very good. Perfect. Real quick on this note, what I have done for a long time when they were cheap, It used to be I could buy BAR belts for $2 apiece all day. And again, of course, you could have, would have, should have. Actually, I did buy hundreds of them. The thing is, we used that for the squad, but also just for running the FNFLs and the BN, the M14s. Now, that's a floppy, they're floppy if you just insert the mags because the BAR mag is slightly bigger in both directions, length and width. But you could put a plastic spacer in the side and eradicate the slot but also create a little bit of a rigid armored wall on the inside with BAR belts. So one of the considerations for a bandolier would be to copy the BAR belt, which would be two magazines per pocket. three pockets on each side, three on the left, three on the right, and a bridging strap in the back like they can mount a fanny pack, a butt pack. The bridging strap is just purely connected to so that you can make it into a belt. A lot of BAR operators carried two of them around the waist. On occasion you see it honestly rather than the Hollywood version which is the official, yeah the guy's got the BAR belt, he's carrying three pockets on each side. Typically the guys would sling those over their shoulder or carry spares that way, opening up the belt so it would hang better without tightening, becoming restrictive around the chest. But I know guys carried one BIR belt and then strapped another one on top. Literally just loose, but you know clipped at the front. And they would like they said they burn out the first belt and then they disconnect it and drop it to get it out of the way. And then they switch over to the you know the next layer that they had underneath which was the permanently affixed belt. So that's the purpose behind bandoliers. Yeah, is that you can or again as I've said making up what we call breakout bags or breakout kits The breakout kit. It's light. It's heavy enough. It can handle the weight It's not going to fall apart on you But it's cheap enough that when you burn out the mags that are in it you drop the pouch and it's gone It's just gone. Yes mark if it's if that's how it works go ahead chip in there Yeah, I just heard DAW come back in. 6 inches long, 3 to 16 inches wide. And if you look at the tabs, they're an inch and a quarter. So you need to take that quarter, inch and a quarter mark. What I'll have to do is, now if I remember right, those are straight magazines, aren't they? Just straight? Yeah, they're all straight. 20s, they're all straight. Yeah, just straight. So what I'll have to do is make me a couple of patterns out of wood and then go from there. So we're looking at a bandolier with two pockets for two magazines each for the total, so a total of four magazines for a bandolier. The straps and everything else would probably work. Same thing with the AR? Yep, same as the AR. That's really the best way to go. And again, you don't even need to add a buckler because you could do exactly what the Army used to do, which is add a safety pin to the kit. And when you wanted to adjust it to wherever you wanted to make the strap length, all you did was fold the strap over and pin it. Okay, well, I found that if you have a Triglide slide on there, you can adjust it easier. And those are fairly inexpensive. But yeah, okay. Okay. You know, but three and a sixteen things wide, that's pretty close to what a standard AO 15 magazine would be. Do you think six magazines would be too much weight for that? I'd stick with four. I'd stick seriously. The reason I say that is because, again, we're going to be discanding these out to the men. Some will carry two of them. But the idea is that in a squad, you hand one out to each man and this gives you something to throw to the automatic rifleman, the guy who's designated gunner, when the time comes. Think about it that way. The other thing is, if I'm carrying an M14 or an FAL or a G3, then I can add more bandoliers and also drop them as I feel I need to. See, that's one of the big things about this is shedding obstacles in weight. We can add it as we choose. That's what bandoliers are for anyway. You add as you choose. Well, you know what, Bob, last time I carried two bandoliers and that wasn't enough. Yeah, but you know, I don't know, give me three or four more. Give me four. I'll carry four the next time. Now, when you use them, you dump them. That's what they're for. You drop them. Now, you don't have to. But the idea is that it's either for handing out to someone else The other thing about a four-mag pocket, it's just like the... it's weight-wise. We know what the cost of 20 rounds of 7.62x51 with a magazine is. So you've got to figure it's kind of like all of these... Cold War AK pouches. There's a dozen different models depending upon which country made them. The ones from Hungary are vinyl, like vinyl seating material. In fact, they last forever. I've got probably a couple hundred of them. They literally are like two or three different shades of green. There are no two batches that are the same. It's like, well, we use this for the Autoblats car seats in 65. The same company made mag pouches for the Hungarian army. They're not typical because there are quads and there are triple mag pouches. So it's purely a matter of keeping it at about a certain size range and a certain weight. Especially when you concentrate that. Let's think about that too, because we already know this with mag pouches. You've got the bricks and everything that are made nowadays distribute the weight over a wider area, like the shingles of mag pockets. But when you put four, I mean they made four pocket, they made four mag. M16 mag pouches, but only for a short time and not very many of them. And one of the reasons is because they are cool, they give you a lot more mag, I mean got one more each pouch, but they're heavier and their dimension to bulk changes. So with the way that they sit. And so again, I would say four mags would be about optimal. OK, well, see, Mark, with the dimensions that Dar gave, and by the way, Dar, if you're listening, thank you very much for the dimensions. If I'm looking at these dimensions, we're talking about a bandolier that the overall body is going to be about eight inches tall, and the overall body is going to be about eight, maybe just a fraction over long, wide. by the time you get your binding tape and stuff on there. So you're basically going to be looking at, yeah, basically a square eight by eight or eight by nine, something like that, tops. Now, if you're actually looking at something because of the thickness, I'm going to see if I can't figure out how to do a box bottom where they'll set a little bit better and they won't pooch out, be awkward. I think I can do that. One of the ideas, Mark, I've been working, you know, I'm the guy that came up with the idea and found all them cheap rifleman kits about six months ago last fall where everybody was buying stuff for 15 bucks a piece or less. But what I've come up with, I've come up with everything looking pretty bad here, I've come up with a design to make a Reiki rig. Now I know some people don't like them, but I've come up with a design to make a Reiki rig. Nothing fancy, but to lower the cost. See, that's the problem. And when you start buying buckles, you start buying webbing, you add to the cost. And I think I figured out a way to maybe get that price way back down there where it's reasonable. Because in my personal opinion, Everybody needs, yeah, okay, you may have a main set of gear, but everybody needs to have something that you can roll up, put in a truck, roll up, stick in a bucket, roll up, put in a piece of six-inch PVC pipe with two caps on, you know, with a cap on each end. Do what I mean? And that's something that would still be viable, lower cost, something that would be available. But see, the same thing we'd be talking about, like the bandolier here, basically eight by eight square, eight by nine type square. And I think because of the width of the magazines, you're probably going to be looking at probably a square bottom if I can pull it off would be easier. But if you're looking for something that you can just basically drop with, I'm not going to make it that way. But technically, if you could buy some like eight or like 10 ounce canvas material. You could probably make the snot out of those things Probably take canvas material and just fold it over and make like a strap with that that's sewn, right? You would then have a viable part you could dye it any stinking color you've got You're up there in Michigan around all the lakes. I mean if there's somebody's got access to sell cloth 10 or 12 ounce sell cloth As long as it's not rotted, you can make bandoliers out of somebody's hind end. I mean, it should be fairly easy. Because the way I make them is I make a body, and then I make the outside piece that goes over it. It's not just a matter of folding it with a flap. But you do that because you need a little body to the bandolier. That's the way specialty defense makes them. It's so that when you carry them, they're not just folding up on you all the time. But yeah. It will probably take me a couple of weeks, but I think I'm going to make a couple of examples here and see what they look like. Bob, thank you very much for getting these measurements. No, real quick. We had this conversation yesterday. It was a question that popped up, is doing another equipping part, it will be equipping part three. Number one, we'd probably be able to do a little better photography. I think in general we have tools in the toolbox. But that's one of the things that we want to do. I'm taking some of the stuff that we have here, like I did in Equipping Part 2. If you go watch it, it's out there somewhere on YouTube. In Equipping Part 2, I demonstrated some of the stuff that we were building at the time. And one of them is the Chycom Chestpouch Copy. Only what we did is the back panel has a stitched in layer of Kevlar. It was actually panels that came off of flak vests. So the back panel is actually Kevlar. Then, instead of the three single pockets, the center pocket is for a drum. Because that's the one thing nobody was accommodating and nobody even had any pouches for at the time. And it turned out to be pretty successful because the drum sits in front, the Kevlar keeps it from beating the hell out of your chest because the armor does its job. Also offers body armor, that's the real idea behind it. It's a poor man's pre- way before everybody was doing plate carriers. If you go back and look at when we did American Peril and then what we did, Equipping Part 1 and Part 2, that predates all the plate carrier stuff by what, a decade and a half at least? And the interesting is we still put the slip pocket behind it like you have on the chest pouch. So you can still add a chicken plate or a piece of steel or you could put equipment behind it, whatever you wanted to do. But you put that, it would be in front of the Kevlar but behind the magazines. That's an example of some of the stuff we were doing 30 years ago. So we have... Now you shared that video with me. That's American in Peril. And one of the videos had... It had a picture, or you put this like, you showed that it had that bandolier or that chest type rig. And if I remember right, you said years ago it was like $7 to make that, but it looked to me like it was just a piece of cell cloth. But it's funny. What we were using for that was a standard... Oh, come on. What weight of canvas. It was actual material similar to the regular cotton poly blend that they were using for the US Army web gear for the cotton era. And the stuff was all off the shelf from one of the tent supplies here. It was regular OD green canvas, but it was reasonably priced because what it was is they had rolls of this stuff for patching commercial party tents. There's a place, Fox Tent and Awning in Ann Arbor, Michigan was one of our sources at one time. They, of course, actually had their own contracts with the mills down in Georgia. And of course, I don't think those are all gone just about. But again, this is all stuff that could be pulled off the shelf. And we could change the material. Again, this is the first rule, is improvise, adapt, and overcome. And to be quite honest, I was just joking, but I wasn't joking. Actually, the Hungarians used car vinyl seat cloth. That's the best way to describe it. You can't really destroy the stuff. It's amazing how resilient the stuff is. But when you think about it, how many car seats are out there in a battle zone that are wrecked, or you would find as wreckage in the after the Apaki clips. So there's a whole bunch of material sitting right there that's pretty durable. You're supposed to slide in and out of it nonstop and on it. So just something to think about there. And a lot of it's in tactical colors or black. Think about it. A car to me, I've said this a million times, you know the automobile is a parts inventory device. Wiring harnesses, connectors, switches, all the stuff for making improvised explosives or doing weird things. You know how much stuff you can pull off a car, sheet metal, like I said, the seats. I'm not going to sit on them. All that material could be used for something else. So just a heads up, there's all kinds of ways we could, you know, re-fabricate or re-apply and down the road we probably will have to. Well, it's like this. A car axle is sufficient to make at least a pistol caliber barrel. The rear car axles were big enough, the rear wheel drive car axles or pickup axles. They were made out of like a 1040 steel. They were strong enough to make actual receivers out of. The body on the car is actually 15 gauge, and that's actually the gauge of an AK-47. So yeah, there's a whole lot of stuff there on an automobile. So it's a treasure trove. Right. Not only that, every nut and bolt would nut. There's not a nut and bolt that would go to waste. It wouldn't be used. Yeah, nothing would go to waste. And if you've got any old leaf springs, many of you people out there got old leaf springs. Sears, triggers, disconnectors can all be made out of a leaf spring. You can even make freezing springs for old black powder locks out of a leaf spring. You may have to grind it. You're going to have to naturally anneal it. Even things like hacksaw blades. Hacksaw, the springs and old mousers for the magazines. 1903 Springfield, the Arasocas. that W shaped spring, a high carbon axel blade that's dull, if you anneal it, shape it. You can't bend it sharp, you have to bend it around a small nail, like a six or eight penny nail. Bend it and then get it to your shape. You heat it, you quench it, and then you anneal it back. And one of the easiest ways to, no, I'm gonna send Neil, not Neil, but to temper it back, The easiest way to temper that is in an electric skillet. Now a lot of people want you to take them and put motor oil on them and burn the motor oil off. Well, that's one way you can do it. But the easiest way to do it is if you make something like that for a sprain, make your sprain, go ahead and you really almost need a kiln to properly get it heat treated. But once you get it heated, once you get it quenched, Immediately take it when it's cooled enough to touch, put it in an electric skillet, put the lid on it, stick your skillet temperature to about 450 degrees, and then just let your little thermostat to bring your temperature up. And just let it sit there for a little bit. And that's the easiest way to temper a piece of spraying steel. That's how I do it, Mark. This prep. This is the heat and things in oil and stuff. The only thing you do is get oil on everything. But even like when you put repair sleeves on axles or repair sleeves, unlike crankshafts and things for seals to wear on, I just heat those things up in an electric skillet. When I get to 250, 300 degrees, I don't have the oil to mess with. I got to keep the lid on it. All I got to do is pull my lid off, pick up my part with a pair of heavy leather gloves, slide it on, tack it on. And that way, if I've got, I need to put sealing on or something behind it, that allows me to do it without messing around with all that stupid oil. But then when I'm done, I just, you know, I keep my electric skillet in my box, and that's how I temper parts. You can do that with knife parts too. But a lot of any hardened part that you need to do, like for reamers or cutters, that's how you temper them back. And it's the easiest thing to do is just use a cheap old electric skillet. Thrift stores, Walmarts, anybody. But that's what I do, Mark. OK, well, Mark, I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. A very high quality American skillet. Yeah. A very high quality American skillet. Yeah, General Electric, for instance, works just fine. Exactly. Yeah, okay. Okay, very good. I'm just an electric dealer. Well, thank you very much, Mark, and I appreciate for Doug getting that information, and I'm going to have to skip on out of here, so thank you. Very good. Thank you. Bye-bye. And guys, a reminder again, at the top of the hour, we are not leaving completely. In fact, normally forbidden knowledge would be up at 7 o'clock, but instead we're going to be doing two hours in a co-broadcast with quite frankly on Rumble so what's going to happen we get to the top of the hour would be leaving a little bit early It'll have overlapping background music to you know again satisfy Noise in other words we can't have dead air But then what's going to happen is you'll hear a little different intro That's going to be Frank's program coming up and then we will be running from 7 to 8 and then 8 to 9. And yes, we will be broadcasting, mutually broadcasting on WBCQ. They're coming up on our airtime. Okay, so this is going to be fun. It's a little different. We have done many unique programs like this on the fly for decades. And so this is not a new thing, it's just this is going to be a unique thing for many of you who have never heard any of this kind of broadcasting before. It's how the Patriot Movement traditionally used to work because everybody is working together towards a common goal. And that's something we better kick everybody in the ass about because guys, the enemy is dead cold serious about making you dead and cold. I suggest we do it to them first and in spades. What do you say? So to do that, we got to get the job done right. That means that we need to be working to expand the Patriot effort across the board in as many different directions as possible, and we're going to do just that. OK? So we need your help. Pass a word on. If you'd like to, again, if you could, stick around. We're going to be kind of going through some history and then in the process developing a report slash a database that can be pulled from. There's questions. We can answer them. And looking at some of the other, yeah, nothing else here. This is a surprise. I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to tax Edward. He's busy enough as it is. But Ed, if you could for a minute. We haven't done this yet. We've been off on a number of subjects. If you could, let's go over and do guns and gadgets for today. It is 17 minutes till the top of the hour. You're listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com Guns and gadgets is over on YouTube, but also on rumble So if you get a chance check them out And take the time and share here we go. Oh I heard it. I just like that over Jared. It's a major policy shift that could save gun dealers But there's a catch that nobody's talking about and I want to thank my friend who's on the inside who told me about it. I want to make you aware of it. Let's talk about it guys. Is the ATF finally backing down from its war on gun dealers? Well, new policy just dropped on Friday and it might just be the first step in walking back the Biden era zero tolerance crusade that has shut down honest FFLs across the country. But before we pop the courts, we still have a lot we need to unpack on this. Like I said, unless you're talking to somebody who knows, you might miss this part. You're gonna want to hear every detail of this. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button and enable the notifications so that you never miss a beat when it comes to your rights. And thank you to today's sponsor Blackout Coffee, Patriotic Pro 2A and 100% committed to keeping the American spirit alive, just like we are here on Guns N' Gadgets. The ATF released a 30-page bombshell. Order 5370.1H Hotel. The new Federal Firearms Administrative Action Policy is what it's called and it's replacing last year's version, 5370.1G Gulf, and it's the blueprint on how the ATF goes after or chooses not to go after federal firearms licensees when they find violations during inspections. So what's changed? The biggest update is they've officially repealed the infamous zero tolerance policy, yes, that one, where single clerical errors could mean the ATF kicked down your door and crushed your livelihood. This repeal comes alongside a new push to review major Biden era rules on pistol braces and who counts as engaged in the business of selling firearms. The translation, they're realizing that their one size fits all enforcement, the hammer they've been using is unconstitutional and politically unsustainable, especially after Bruin. Now what's in this ATF order 5370.18 Hotel? This document is the ATF's manual for deciding when to issue a warning letter, when to suspend a license, or when to pull the plug on an FFL altogether. Now let's break down what this new policy really says. The key changes. Number one, no more automatic revocations for minor violations. That's key. Under the old policy, even honest mistakes like a misplaced date or a misfiled 4473 could justify license revocation. If I told you that I lived at one main street and somehow you or someone at your your FFL business put in one main drive or one main avenue, that little error alone could cost you your license. Now, ATF agents must assess violations individually, considering intent, repetition, and whether the issue impacts public safety. That's the new thing. Number two, more flexibility and discretion for inspectors, the I.O.I.s. Agents are instructed to use administrative actions proportionally to the actual risk. Now this is a move away from being an enforcer of gun control and back toward being a regulator, albeit one that still operates under a very wide scope. Number three, emphasis on willful violations. The policy defines willful as intentional, knowing, or repeated disregard for the law, not honest mistakes. Here's an example. If a licensee accidentally checks the wrong box on a single background check form, that's not going to be treated as the same as someone who repeatedly sells to prohibited people without any documentation. Right? Why the new policy shift now? Well, this move didn't happen in a vacuum. Believe me when I tell you that. Zero tolerance was backfiring hard on the administration, the previous administration. Over the last two years, hundreds of gunshots were targeted and shut down over what should have been considered administrative infractions. Lawsuits started piling up, Congress began demanding answers, and even state attorneys general accused the ATF of targeting lawful businesses to reduce the number of FFLs in this country without any new law from Congress. In fact, the House Judiciary Committee began investigating the ETF's abuse of power, and whistleblowers have described politically motivated enforcement orders handed down from Washington. Now, after the Bruin decision, which requires that any gun regulation must be deeply rooted in American history and tradition, and the ETF's regulatory regime started looking very unconstitutional. Duh. So, now they're walking it back. But only partially And there's that nugget I'm going to tell you about too. Here's the good news as well as the bad. The good news, if you're a small town FFL who's been sweating bullets for every compliance inspection, this update might give you some breathing room. Now you'll be judged on intent, not just a gotcha moment on your paperwork. The bad, the policy still gives the ATF tremendous discretion. There are still vague guidelines and no third party oversight for how decisions are made. This isn't a law, it's an internal policy by the agency. It can be reversed the moment another anti-gun administration takes office just the way they just undid Joe Biden's policy. Now the important note here is this policy doesn't undo damage, it's already been done. It doesn't restore revoked licenses. It doesn't compensate those who lost their businesses to Biden's crackdown. And that is just plain wrong. Now here's the inside information I told you about, you've been waiting all this time, here it is, right from the inside. The adverse action, the new policy kind of went back to the prior policy before Joe Biden's zero tolerance policy, but there's still a big issue. ATF IOIs have been told to educate people rather than citing them, which is great. That's the way it was, that's the way it should be. Hey, you made this error because maybe you didn't know, let's fix this error. We'll get you back going right down the road in the right direction. And Bob, your uncle, you'd be good. Just, you know. Don't mix salt with these three ingredients if you don't want the Mount Jaro effect on your body and your pants loose in a week. I promise. Just fix what we told you to fix. But at the new, the beginning of this new order here, ATS management put in a single statement. that kind of changes everything. It's basically saying you shall fight. Not like, hey, I can just give you like a little verbal coaching. No, no, it says you shall fight. And before I show you this actual part of the order that says that. Let me show you what their press release says, just a quick segment of it, and then I'll show you the actual order, what it says, and you tell me if you see any potential issues. And this will be linked down below. Here's the key points to the updated policy. Context-driven enforcement, serious willful violations may lead to administrative action while minor or clerical errors may be addressed with education or warnings. See, that doesn't say it has to be cited. Hmm, then that's their press release. Yeah, keep that in mind. It says no automatic revocation removes the prior policy's presumption of license revocation instead, considering intent, compliance history, and public safety risks. Stronger public safety focus investigators must evaluate whether continued operations pose a public safety threat or contribute to the violent crime and whether the licensee demonstrates the ability to comply moving forward. clear legal standards and timelines, defines key terms such as willful and knowing, and establishes uniform timelines for reviews, action, and coordination. As the Thorpe for Lawful Industry Engagement, ATF continues early intervention and collaboration with responsible IC&Cs while firmly addressing repeat or serious violations. All right, now remember the first one I said? It says that clerical errors may be addressed with education and warnings, or warnings. Well, this is what the policy actually says here. Number four, under background, we'll go to C. An ATF F-5030.5 report of violations shall be issued to the FFL for any material violations identified during an inspection. The issuance of an ROV, that's the report of violations, is not an administrative action, but rather a documentation of an inspection's findings. So on one hand they're saying, yeah, we don't have to cite you and jam you up, we can just educate you, you know, give you a little help. But the actual policy says, yeah, we're gonna put it on paper, we're gonna cite you, because that's, you're citing your violation. But if it's serious, you'll still get revoked. If it's not serious, we'll counsel you. Yeah, it's kind of vague. It's a tactical retreat of some sort, but it's not a surrender by the ATF. And it's only happening because of your voices, your lawsuits, and your votes. Gun owners have made their voices heard, and we'd better not stop. Guys, I tell you, and tell you, and tell you, there is tremendous value in reaching out and contacting your legislators. We have been seeing policy change routinely because of pressure put on legislators, including Donald Trump and the White House and anything on ATF, all of them, the DOJ, just because of ex-Twitter. Now is not the time to back off, it's time to double down. If you have issues with this, contact your Senators and your Representatives at the national level. Demand legislative safeguards to stop future weaponization of the ATF. Support lawsuits that are challenging these rogue agencies. And most importantly, stay informed and stay active. Before I wrap up, a huge thank you to Blackout Coffee for sponsoring today's video. If you believe in freedom, self-reliance, and waking up with purpose, Blackout Coffee is your brand. Whether you're brewing a pot for the range, or loading up for a long day, grab a bag of coffee, a can of our cold brew, some K-cups, or even instant premium coffee. Yes, we do that as well. and support a company that supports you. Check out blackoutcopy.com slash G&G and use code GNG10 for discount on your next order. Guys, this new ATF policy proves one thing. Pressure works. We've seen what happens when bureaucrats overreach. We've watched hundreds of American businesses be crushed. And now, ATF is blinking. But let's be clear. Freedom only survives when patriots stand up for it. Don't assume that this battle is over. It's just a pause. The next administration could reinstate zero tolerance with a stroke of a pen. Stay vigilant, stay loud, and stay armed with knowledge. Subscribe here to Guns and Gadgets. Share the video and help us spread the word. The Second Amendment isn't just ink on parchment. It's the backbone of American liberty. Stay safe. Stay vigilant. Stay free. Stay armed and stay ready. Take care, America. It's with the wind. However the wind blows, that's with the bureaucratic knuckle dragging sociopath in the bat faggot circles. That's how it's going to perform. And like I said before, they had no problem being given orders to go murder people in their homes. Support the blue, man! Support the blue! Yeah, blue MIRs. So again, for the moment, you've got to reprieve, but They've already said if you caught some of the headlines today, the Democrats are now amongst themselves in their meetings that are going to get revenge. They are going to get revenge on all of you for thinking that you were free and independent and separate, etc., etc. So buyer beware on this program, this product, so to speak. Okay, we are headed towards the top and we are going to close a hair early. Not quite yet, and I got to watch this because my signal could act up to with what's going on and one two three one two three so Well hold on. Let's make sure of my improvised and very sophisticated. Yaggy antenna is doing a very fine job of keeping me hooked up here and Again for remember guys improvise adapt and overcome So, in closing, we touched on a couple of things here. The original idea was to help you try and explain about how the squat automatic rifle position works in the team and how you can improvise with other weapons. When training as a Marshal force, as a militia, or even if you're training in the regular military, there are cyclic points in which you use simulated devices to help fill the niche and use as representation for the overall combined arms team. You don't need a tank if you've got a vehicle that can be used as the simulator. All it has to do is be there. It helps everybody to physically understand how things work. However, this is a live fire slash and a fire combat application situation. I can take a weapon, designate it within the team, support it properly, and it can for a period of time supplement or replace something that may not be available. The advantage in doing this both in training and then progressively with combat development forces is that there's little time to transition mentally from one weapon system to the other. The application of the weapon doesn't change. Also, for the rest of the team, procedure doesn't change. This is especially critical. This is why, well, you don't have, you know, Mach 3 aircraft. No, but we do have aircraft. We have the ability to maintain rotary wing, fixed wing aircraft of different types. And we apply that dimensional part of the battlefield to our formula. This gives everybody the ability to visualize. Therefore, physically understanding, and by visualizing, we're literally living experience. So, the advantage there is that it's going into the brain pan as a process. This is how you train a team. This is something that the government knows. This is the secret police. They know this too. And it's the last thing they want you to think about. Any training aid is sufficient provided the individual who is training the party and the party themselves understand the critical aspect of the training involved. The training aid is a supplementary tool. It's not a toy, it's not a gimmick. What it means is that as an adult you have to stay focused on the task, on the mission and get the job done. That's how it works. So, again, that's why we will apply what we have and then progressively cycle in and replace what it is that we acquire or build or may have given to us under the right circumstances. Allies have many capabilities, the Patriot militia effort. Manufacturing is one of those significant tasks. Anyway, we're at the top. We should be hearing the music here. We gotta get out of the way. I think Edward's gonna be tuning us out. I think I am still hooked up. There we go. We're gonna go up to the third hour. Ed will be transitioning over to picking up the feed for... quite... All participants are muted. I want to be able to lay down a nice firm foundation. of where this all came from, his story, so that when it comes on in the future we can talk about individual topics or lay down commentary on current events or something else. Anyway, I hope that you all enjoy it and that's what's going to be going on tonight. Now before we start this one off, I have two quick things to throw your way. Number one, again, on quite frankly.tv, the forum, go to the forum and pin to the top is Book Club, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain, session one. Get ready Monday night As soon as quite frankly ends, the book club begins for all of you monthly subscribers. Your monthly is sponsors. So you're reading the first six chapters and it's going to be a great one. And remember, please leave voicemails. That is, um, that is so key. And we're going to go and do that. 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So, please do that. And I want to, we will see if I'll be, if we have enough time, if I can bring in a couple of calls from you guys, if you have questions for Mark. I'd like to probably, I'd like to open up the hotline at some point in the second half of the show. We'll see if we have time. But no matter, I will be checking in on all the Super Chats. YouTube, Tilled, The Rumble Rants, quite frankly, SuperChat.com. I will keep checking in on those to see if anybody has any questions pointed at the guest tonight. And I will find places to put them in there. Then they all might stand, puny little ants. outnumber us a hundred to one and if they ever figure that out there goes our way of life it's not about food it's about keeping those ants in line that's why we're going back does anybody else want to stay now we are right in the thick of it all tonight right in thick of it I was reading a little bit before I lay down the groundwork for Mark over here. I was reading a little bit more into that prison escape down in Louisiana, in New Orleans. Here's the opening line from NBC. The path to freedom began behind a toilet. That's a pretty good hook. Gotta give him credit. After midnight on May 16th, inmates at the New Orleans City Jail forced open the door of a first floor cell and crammed inside. At the back, inmates had wrenched a metal bathroom fixture from the wall, exposing a narrow hole where steel bars were sawed off. On the other side, it was a walkway leading to a loading dock. The timing was perfect. A jail worker had cut off water to the cell, which allowed the inmates to dislodge the toilet without a telltale flood. There was no deputy patrol in the housing area, as there should have been. The civilian employee whose job was to monitor inmates' movements had reportedly stepped away for food. Why not? The group assembled in cell 6. included men who had been held in the New Orleans Justice Center for months or years, many of them accused of terrible crimes, one had been convicted of October of killing two people during a 2018 Mardi Gras celebration and was waiting for a likely sentence of life right behind a toilet. You know, that's the worst thing about Shawshank Redemption is the final escape. And I don't know, I would still be in jail. I would never be able The claustrophobia that I feel watching the scene of the final escape down the ship pipe in Shawshank Redemption? Never. I would have never been able to do it. Oh, I try. Maybe I would try. I don't know, but just that... No, I don't know, man. Would you be able to do that? To do that, or would you still be in jail right now? Like, if it was between you, wiggle your ass down that ship pipe. And if you get to the other end of it, you're gonna be able to escape and nobody's ever gonna find you again. You're out of jail. But can you do it? Can you actually do it? Because I'll tell you, with all the, uh, the, the, the, the caving, the people who are doing the caving and the spelunking and all that shit on YouTube, and it's like they all come with trigger warnings, those are, those, those videos actually really, really disturb me. When people are, are wiggling through cracks, why are you doing it? Why are you doing it? Now I understand, You have something you have to get through to be able to escape from jail, especially if you know you're in jail for reasons that are not legitimate. You've been framed or something like that. You've got to get out of jail. Maybe that's where you just put it all behind. You say, I'm going to breathe through this one. I'm going to be breathing a lot of bad shit, too. But I've got to get to the other side, and then I'm home free. And that's the rest of my life I get to reclaim. I don't know why people willingly wedge themselves in between slabs of granite for no payoff whatsoever. Are you one of those people? Let me see. You gotta get in touch with the show at some point. Alright, let's see here. Now Mark Kernke, let's talk about Mark just a little bit before we get him on. Gonna give him a buzz in just a second. I found so much stuff on Mark. So much, and you can too. So if you have any questions that I don't hit, please send them in to me. When Mark called in last year, I started the process of finding him a day on the calendar to tell his story. And it's a story that really, it really takes shape in the late 80s, early 90s and all throughout the 90s when the militia movements were really growing and largely in response to escalating tensions with federal government that, you know, that was becoming a lot more brazen in its overreach. And we have a lot to point to. It becomes a lot more familiar. It really does. Especially if you're someone like me who didn't have a lot of the adult perspective of what was happening in the news and you really started taking tabs on, you know, making tabs on things when you were stepping into bigger sets of shoes and we started noticing things like the Bundy Ranch and standoff with the Bureau of Land Management out there, which is actually how we met Chris Ann Hall. So, I mean, so there's a lot. You can start seeing how things really, you know, history not repeating, but it does rhyme, and things becoming precurs- you find the precursor for all the things that you've noticed for the first time. And then you start stringing things along. Well, Mark is going to help us string those things along tonight. And we're going to hear about the social conditions of the time, the development of alternative media, and look closer into some of the more tragic and transformative events of the 1990s from the perspective of a person who was in the middle of it all. And in a lot more public ways than many of you who were paying attention otherwise, this guy was making headlines. And his name... Can also be found on the ADL's glossary of extremists. So, that's a plus one check for you all. There you go, he must be doing something right. The ADL thinks he's an extremist. Anyway, let's give Mark a call. Hopefully he picks up. Oh, there he is. Look at that. And you sound fantastic, by the way. That's usually from the grave. Well, you know, Mark, let me just first say welcome to the show in an official sense. And I'm sorry, but I have a very old picture of you up on screen with me, but we needed something to go by. You're more and more interesting the more I look into you. And right off the bat, let me just say this broadcast is making personal history, show history, because it's the first time that any person on earth can actually tune the dial on a radio and pick up a live feed of quite frankly at this moment. Can you tell everybody how this show is actually, how you can listen to this show right now on shortwave tonight? Well, we're not at shortwave yet. We're on shortwave for the next hour. But this hour, we're almost there. We're almost there. You got the right idea. We're actually simulcasting. You're listening to us on, quite frankly, right now, and also, libertytreeradio.4mg.com. However, I want you to break out your shortwave If you have an AM-FM shortwave receiver, guys, those are available through every China Sport company or any other radio company out there. They make AM, FM, and shortwave. Tune in to 6.160 regular shortwave WBCQ, the planet. That's 6.160 regular shortwave. And when you're listening to us the next hour, that's when the next hour comes up. That's from eight to nine. Then you're going to be hearing us, as many other people are, around half of the planet on radio. So WBCQ has been out there for quite some time. They're a great company. Mr. Weiner has been doing shortwave, I think most of his life to be quite honest. Alan and Angela have been on the show before. This is so exciting to actually be on their network. And again, they've been doing alternate radio. It's the other alternate radio that's been with us for quite some time. I don't know if you guys caught this, but there was an NPR propaganda hit piece. just done about what a week ago, week and a half ago, and the attack was on shortwave, which is interesting. So it's apparently, there's three parts to it. Part one was a while back. I think these have all been pre-canned, but what's interesting about it is that shortwave, when we talk shortwave, let's qualify this for everybody. We're talking commercial shortwave. There's commercial FM radio. There's commercial AM radio and then there's long band AM or long band slash shortwave radio which you all see in movies but we're not talking about the guy sitting there with the headset you know going although he can hear us he can tune in. This is actual, these are actual regular frequencies that are fixed that you can tune into with a beach party radio. So you can have a lot of fun because remember this is totally anonymous. When you're on shortwave, nobody knows who's receiving. This is what they don't like about shortwave is you have an army, you can have a million, two million or 20 million listeners. and nobody can know where they all are. That was also the beauty of regular radio. I would love, another bit of history if I ever, because I told Alan and Angela that I would love to get some time on WBCQ, but of course it's one of those things where I'd have to get a sponsor for that because it takes some money. It's a chunk of change. It is a chunk of change, but like you said, this is so... It's such a meaningful technology as far as I always say radio is, perhaps the business model of radio is outdated and the advertising is bullshit and all that stuff, but when it comes to the actual the technology of being able to, the human voice to be heard over so many miles. It's miraculous and it will never be obsolete in that respect. So I always wanted to be a part of it. And we never received a phone call based on somebody that's listening to the show live on radio. So that would be a big night, a history too. But let me ask you this. When we're talking about the establishment of alternative media, what kind of a role did shortwave play in that in particular? Well, it's interesting because you know we wanted to kind of fit at the time frame here like with a certain window of decades but shortwave has been in Patriot circles for probably as long as shortwave has been up. It's just that they've tried to rewrite the history of it. Example is before most of the Patriot broadcasters that we're going to talk about tonight existed, there were radio networks like the Sun radio network. It was a classic radio reporting, you know, format with people in the field, the whole nine yards, and it was a complete independent network that was patriot-oriented. It was the Sun radio network that did most of the work when Randy Weaver was attacked. Most people don't realize this. And of course, they didn't want to talk about it in the controlled media. But it was shortwave radio that probably saved the family's life. as much as anything at that point in time because controlled media was controlled literally. But it was shortwave that got around, it had the end run. It not only told America, but it told the world what was happening up there at Ruby Ridge when the event took place day by day. In fact, you know, here's the other thing. We're gonna do this, we're gonna be on shortwave at eight o'clock. Why 8 o'clock? Because that's the optimal time year-round for when shortwave propagation is best. And I've done radio for 35 years now. And I've had many different, I mean we've done different networks, worldwide Christian Radio, WBCQ, some that are gone that you wouldn't recognize and you'd have to dig into the archives to find. But because we've had multiple shortwave broadcasts, when you get out there like that, though, remember that people then communicate in all the other ways that they know how. And so it's especially important for getting past all the local barriers. That's one of the things, I mean, remember, if you're worried about shining a spotlight on the cockroaches when they're doing something, then you want to try to get to as many people and as many points of the compass as you can because the feedback rolls back. So right now, for instance, well, when we are on shortwave, we have listeners that are in Brazil or in Venezuela. Nobody likes Venezuela anymore, but it used to be. Venezuela was very pro-American 30 years ago. Guys, Venezuela sent engineers and architects here to be taught and sent them back and they were, you know, it was all part of an American slash South American, North American handshake agreement. But at the same time, West Africa hears you. All of Europe hears you. We have listeners in Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Estonia. Just go right around the map. And then now the other consideration is how far do we go to the west? Well, that's a matter of can you get over the mountains? So the signal varies depending upon where the transmitter is. And it gets to a lot of people. Now then, as we pointed out, comes activism. So if I can get a message out and I give people phone numbers, then what they can do is they get on the phone, they call from all of those points of the compass and say, hey, I understand you're trying to slaughter a family up there in the Rocky Mountains. We heard about this. Everybody's talking about it. Well, they thought they were in a nice little hole and nobody had a clue and they had the controlled media under their leash. So all of a sudden they're getting feedback in a situation where they thought they'd be murdering with reckless abandon with no media coverage. That's incredible. It totally changes the world. That's incredible. Especially from the Ruby Ridge standpoint in particular, how you brought that up, that's a... That is definitely very rare. I've never heard that brought up in all the retellings of the of the aspects of that of that situation and you know it was Yeah, go ahead. It was like tinter. It was like you know you ever you know like you have an action movie Let me give you consider this you we have on time delivery feed. We're doing that right now around time delivery feed You're being flush awash with it, but understand that there was no communications getting out, but the people who were Phoning out by satellite phone to the shortwave feeds to the central hub and then getting the message out. And what's fascinating about this is it totally changed the dynamic, but people had to wait until they could hear it. So the message was getting out, cumulated information was built up, but because the phones were blocked and nobody realizes this, you guys don't know the whole history. They blocked the phones for three counties. They controlled all of the radio and television for three counties in Idaho when they were sieging the weavers. They shut down and marshaled the area, but people don't talk about that. So everybody had to wait until the sun started to go down and they could turn in their radio to hear what was actually happening. Which made it even more pressing and important psychologically But it it brought this all for the attention. It was a tool that worked go ahead. I'm sorry No, don't don't apologize if these are the stories I want to hear about and we're gonna talk a lot more about Ruby Ridge and Waco and then of course Oklahoma City But you know when when G. Edward Griffin the first time I got to speak with him we were able to reflect I asked him to reflect on how things have changed from the decades prior to the audiences being able to access things digitally and all that stuff. And how there were so many years where the only real way that you're going to reach new audiences and attract new eyes is to be able to, I don't pick up a pamphlet or a booklet at somewhere at a flea market or a gun show or something or attend a speaking engagement at a VFW building for someone who had just written a book or whatever. But as you were saying right now radio transcends all that in all eras. But then of course comes the internet. I wonder, just to be able to skip ahead before we go back again, what are your thoughts on alternative media today versus the 1990s? Like what are the advantages that we have now and the biggest drawbacks? Well, the advantage we have is at your fingertip deployment, but what we have is a failure of people to act. You know, one of the things, let me point out, in the 90s, with a combined arms team of radio. By the way, on internet, we're the people who created literally we. I might not myself personally the technology, but two networks created internet radio and otherwise nobody had a clue what it was. It was our ally Eagle Radio Network out of Vermont. and our mechanism, Republic Radio International, we were the first to create internet radio that anybody had access to. Which you now consider the internet. We built it from scratch, as a matter of fact. In fact, every time I tried to explain it to somebody, they'd look at me like I was a monkey. Like, you know, like, well, what are you talking? This is not English, you're speaking. And we built it up mechanically because I worked for the University of Michigan. and they have a property control and I was able to access a computer, gateway computers for a dollar a piece, monitors for a dollar a piece, keyboard, mouse and all the technicals and all the modems and everything. So for $4, we were taking a Pentium 1, Pentium 2 or Pentium 3 gateway, formatting them for doing internet and doing internet radio, audio, which was no big deal. It was just a matter of understanding what to stream. And we spread the computers out all over the country by the thousands and then the tens of thousands, day after day after day, and set up hubs. And this was like a forced multiplication training class. So everybody had a chance to see how they work. Everybody could mimic them in a heartbeat. In many cases, your existing systems were able to do exactly what those computers could do. And so we force multiplied by, you know, first, we created it, trained the trainers, the trainers trained however many more, then it became popular and commercially it started to become available, it came in from another direction. I think the effort alone makes it makes everything the celeb it makes the success of it all so much more of a celebration and of course you know wonderful I have several devices in front of me right now where if I were to take them out of the little network of devices I have in front of me and just use them individually I can go live I can press stream and I can be live publicly with a click. But what you're talking about is really just very innovative and of course, like I said, it's a foundational piece of where we're going. Let me ask you about your activism though, because you're talking about people acting. What were some of your initial experiences in your life that shaped your world view, especially as it pertains to liberty and tyranny in America? I'm planning on going into the military. Oh, I was and I wasn't. Originally when I was in school, I was working towards aerospace. In fact, my major was aerospace engineering. I focused everything on that particular aspect and I actually, I'm a total exaggeration guy. I wanted to be an astronaut. I had literally wanted to be in space. Back when I was growing up, this was a reality. I was living around Ann Arbor, Michigan. We didn't live in Ann Arbor, we lived outside. Dexter, Michigan is where I lived. But the aerospace program and the space program was part of literally everything around us. I mean everything from home inventors that produced individual components for the space program literally in their home to whole industry and components of the industry. Everything from just down the street to you know half an hour drive away from me. So I was educated, progressively in engineering. I focused on that. And that's a long story because I ended up with NASA Science Awards, NASA Scholarship, Naval Science Awards, a bunch of other stuff there. That's all been documented. But somebody approached me about, hey, you want to join the military? Well, this is at the end of Vietnam. And at that time, nobody was thinking about the military for the most part, although I kind of grew up in the background. So I kind of got slid sideways into detached services initially. And then when I actually enlisted, I was recruited directly as an intelligence analyst. And that's kind of rare because I'll explain that in a second, but it doesn't happen that way typically. In this case, my scores, placement in time because everybody was leaving, and there was a whole lot of space available, but all of my background counted towards the process, and so they recruited me directly into the intelligence service with the US Army. And I went to, of course basic, and then went to Fort Echuca, Arizona, which is where US Army Intelligence Center and Schools is located that you've never heard of. Have you ever heard of Fort Echuca? I have not. Well, Fort, we gotcha. He says a moniker, right? And so it's Forticuca. Forticuca was originally one of the cavalry outposts. Fifth cavalry was stationed there back in the Indian War days. They chased Geronimo and Cochise all over the backwoods. Well, the desert. And the Intelligence Center in schools is located in a place that you would never expect. It's not on the East Coast. It's on the West Coast. Actually, it's on the Mexican border. If you go look, it's north of Nogales. Go find this on the map for it, Hachuca. It's a best kept secret. The school is hidden inside an old World War II military hospital. This is classic, or, you know, like military deception, you know, processes. Global Communications is located there. When I was stationed there at the time for my training, they were just building and had started to complete and finished it all, planetary slash global communications command and control and intelligence collection. Now there's one time, in fact, if you watch, what is it? Clear and present danger. Remember the Clancy movie? Yes. Pay attention and watch that movie again and you'll notice there's this little blurb. where they mention Fort Echuca. Now that place, when I get up in the morning, that Global Command Center was literally right in front of us. There's a sphinx right in front of the main complex for our housing. And we'd be in formation there and we'd be staring at the construction of the Global Command's communication center right there. Almost underground, partially above ground. It's a simple square big blocky building is what it is. But it's got a whole load of, excuse me, a whole bunch of antennas, okay? So anyway, I got recruited into that. As a sub note, they had to do my background check twice. One of the reasons is because they didn't believe it. I didn't smoke, I didn't drink, I've never done drugs. Nobody believed me. Okay, let's put it this way. Even when they interviewed my neighbors, the cost on a DOD background check usually is about $485,000 or so. And that's not translated. That was in old earth dollars back in the 70s. Well, they got the results back and my file was kind of like paper thin. even with all the responses from interviewing the neighbors and people I worked with, etc, etc. So I was told later, they said, go back and do it again. So they had to do it a second time, came back with all the same information. And so I ended up with a PSSBI. At the end of my process of instruction, I graduated 13th out of a class of 33. Ooh, that's very occultic. And we were the second highest standing graduating class out of U6 in the 94B Intelligence course. Period, we still hold that position today, the entire class, 33 of us. I was 13th. The guys who were above me went, for instance, right to, for instance, Berlin. This is during the Cold War, 1977 to 78. So this is during Cold War and Burkett, one of the guys that I worked with, ended up in the military Lisanne Council in Berlin. In fact, almost all of our group ended up in some pretty interesting jobs simply because first of all, we were qualified, we had the clearances so we could step into the seats. So I can I did what I was supposed to do now when you hear intelligence analysts There's a lot of things that come along with that Most people who have worked as an intelligence analyst aren't Mark that's a contradiction. No, it's not. Well, here's the problem most of the intelligence slots in the army are promotion jumps Unfortunately, instead of the person doing the job they're supposed to do as an intelligence analyst or a counterintelligence coordinator or whatever, typically people who are looking for promotional jumps drop into those positions because of grade and time. They typically are not qualified in terms of they never took any of the courses or instruction. They have no background in intelligence. They're usually there for two to three months and they jump to the next position based upon promotional interest. That's not how I entered the trade. In the process of one of the many hats that we do, and there's a lot of jobs you do here, half of what you do is really, in no way shape or form, exciting. It's monotonous bookkeeping paperwork. The one thing it teaches you, and I'm gonna tell you Frank, all these things you've seen happened in the last couple of months that have been exposed. You've seen all the criminal activity where people are destroying documents. or people are shredding things, for instance. Well, it's my job to, as an intel analyst, to inform you of how criminal it is if you do that. Every person that you've heard about has received a briefing from a person like me who spent almost two hours during your in-processing for a classified position. explaining to you how I can castrate and lobotomize you and have you put in jail and how we will take all the money out of your bank accounts if you make a mistake. All of the laws around the books to arrest every one of these people right now without any additional criminal charges being filed under the UCMJ or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice or under the Criminal Codes of the United States without trial. Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton when she destroyed all the stuff that she had, guys, each action that she committed was a 10 year felony and it would only require review because she already received a security clearance briefing on what to do and not to with regard to classified documents. Each instrument's worth 10 years or eight years, $200,000 fine, et cetera. And it's compounded by the way. So each of these people have what we call basketball score prison sentences that they should have been serving 6, 7, 10 years ago. Well, just to interject for a second in regard to my original question about how all this shaped your world view about liberty and tyranny, you're talking from an inside perspective Many of us who've never worked, been in the military, worked in any kind of intelligence services or anything else like that, we see the same things. I mean, you have seen how the sausage is made in that respect, but we're on the outside and seeing the same thing, and it is shaping our worldview every day about how, you know, what we see, what pertains to liberty and tyranny and what we should expect from the system. And then, of course, it leads to bigger questions about what we should expect from ourselves going forward because obviously there's no corrective measures that are ever going to be taken by the system itself. The biggest problem is 38 plus, well now 40 years ago correction, I'm 68. One of the things that's fascinating, what changed? What is it that shifted? Nancy knows the daytime in place, my wife. I was on an assignment to inspect specific facilities. Well, one of the things that we do is from the division, from a division or core level, you usually have a six month inspection of facilities for all of the subordinate commands in the military. The higher authority, in this case, I was from headquarters headquarters company. What we do is we have one person from each of what are called the G shops. and a number of other individuals, we go out as a group and we inspect every operating mechanism of a facility or of a command facility or unit, a subordinate unit, it can be their headquarters, it can be their normal office and administrative sites, etc. So, I'm out on one of these expeditions. One of my counterparts is walking with me And we already had other rumorations going on. This is the end of the 70s going into the 80s. So in 1980, late 1980, walking along with this gentleman, he goes, well, so you've applied for the new jobs. And, whoa, this picked my ears. New jobs. Yes, I would like to have a new job. I'd like to have a more stable position in life. So he goes, well, so because he knew that first of all guys, I'm inspecting mechanical facilities, physical facilities, weapon systems, then I go through all of the security clearances, security documents, random pull of records, etc. My job is to show that, you know, demonstrate for them to show me that they're doing their job. Well this gentleman starts talking about the new jobs. I said really? Well, what are you going to be thinking about doing? Well, they're taking applications for individuals to participate in, uh, confiscation of property, the interrogation and processing of men, women, and children to detention facilities. And he's going down the shopping list of things that you really wouldn't want to be doing. My assumption was, okay, so we're invading a country or something. I didn't say anything. This guy just starts, he literally assumed once I, yes, I've heard about that. He literally had been walking and talking with me for about a good five minutes while we're going through different things, then 10 minutes and about 15 minutes. And he realizes, finally he gets that Kodak moment that has that, deer in the headlights expression because he realizes I'm not incorporating anything into the conversation. He looks at me and he goes, I've got to go. And then he takes off. Now, basically he was talking about confiscation of property, the acquiring of men, women and children for detention, the processing and interrogation of men, women and children for interrogation in a detention or process facility. And I'm like, okay, this isn't anything that I've heard before. I've heard it before, but I know where I've heard it and it wasn't in the US. So the gentleman disappeared. And in the process, another individual shows up. And I asked, where is Mr. Well, I can't say, I won't say names because some people learned and became good friends. I said, where's Bob? And he said, well, Bob's happy with us right now. So I'm going to work with you through the rest of the inspection. So, okay. So let's go get the rest of this job done. Basically, what he had explained to me, when I eventually figured out because of other pieces that came later, is that this was part of Rex 84. R-E-X 84. Now, first of all, they absolutely denied that Rex 84 existed. But Rec. 84 was designed to be a takeover of the country from within and a physical confrontation was expected. Now this was my first experience, it kind of hit me, you know, like I had did the rest of my job that day. We did everything we were supposed to do, got everything signed off, we shook hands with everybody, gave them a salute and said, you guys did a great job, 100%, everything's the way it's supposed to be. But everybody had become very standoffish and quiet from about the time that Bob, so it was like, hmm, I'm learning something here. So upon return to command, we then found out we were going to have a series of meetings. These weren't scheduled. They were something that was coming in from Washington, D.C. Now, from each of the shops, whenever we had these special briefings, each one of us in each of the shops took turns participating in the activity because it burned up an entire business day. And all the other work that's required, which is tedious, boring, but also repetitious and absolutely necessary, was required. I still had to process background checks, security clearances, physical security reports. There's all kinds of other records and documents that have to be processed for secure purposes because I'm a records custodian. This is one of those people that we sign for everything. You can't take it from me without me knowing where it's going and when it's coming back. and it's very limited access for whatever it is that I have control over. Well, so the next step in our epiphany here of how the world really works is we had a series of meetings one after another in which we had a dog and pony show crew from Washington, D.C. We didn't know who they were coming in and giving us a series of kind of like interrogation question and answer events, but also giving us a like a cheer session, a rah-rah session about basically acquiring power. Now, I only set in one out of three and each one of us took turns in total of I think there were 16 or 17 of these briefings. Each one took place about two weeks apart, although some of them were Well, a couple or three days apart because we actually had to come in first, you know, and extend our active time in order for us to participate in them. And this is about 1984, 1985 at this point? No, no, no, this is 1981. 1981, early 1981. And we had no idea what was going, but we were able to piece it together. I mean, we had a pretty good idea. Basically, my counterpart, who was a CI, Counter Intelligence Agent, Spent the day up there and I'm busy in the office, which is a bunker by the way. Basically, it's like living in a, it's like being in your bedroom with no windows, steel reinforced with a blast door, and you have a whole pile of files with cups on the top of them for a thermite grenade so that if we end up in trouble, you're supposed to put a thermite gradient on top of each file, pull the pin, get the hell out of the office because it's not going to be anything cooler than the temperature of the sun in there in a minute. So I'm busy up my manual typewriter because we used manual typewriters. And the reason we did manual typewriters, guys, is because that way there's no electronic record of what you typed. Does everybody understand this thing about records? Why this whole thing I mentioned earlier is important. So I'm typing and everybody usually we got double these things or they were always just events. They just it was non stop press press, you know, they wanted response from you. They wanted to see how you're going to react to what they were proposing. So Dave sits down and I'm giving him space. He's just staring at his typewriter. And finally, out of the blue, he goes, Mark, those bastards up there. could care less what country or who they work with as long as they got a paycheck and power. And he said, well, so I said, he goes, we can't talk anymore in here about this. And we're going to have to, we have to talk after work. Now, one of the reasons is because we don't know who's listening on the phones just because the phone's hung up. You all know that that doesn't mean that it isn't wide open. And we were in a secure point to begin with, which is classified. So we met later, everybody pretty well agreed. We knew we finally figured out eventually because of other information we had that what we were looking at was the inside of Rex 84. A combination of different units that they considered to be select have been chosen. My personal position on this is that George Herbert Walker Bush was planning an internal coup against Ronald Reagan. And it was in preparatory, it was moving towards that purpose. Reagan would have been out of the picture. And if you recall, Reagan, there was the, he had the assassination attempt on Reagan. Reagan did come back into power, but before he did, the Reagan, not Reagan, Reagan, the chief of staff, and all of the other, oh well, example, watts from the Department of the Interior was pushed out by Trump, pushed out by George Herbert Walker Bush. Bush, while Reagan was in the hospital, pushed out every Reagan man that was in the cabinet and replaced him with either former CIA or Rockefeller operatives. So while Ronald Reagan was at the head of the office, it was no different with him. He wasn't incapacitated like Biden. But he was utterly isolated in his position with nothing but neocons or flat-out communists operating the regime behind him. And what we were facing, what we didn't know but we finally figured out is that we were on the edge of a civil war. Which nobody talks about well, this is the second go ahead. No no no no no no no if there's more than a story keep going I just thought that would be a good segue there too because Obviously now we're just starting to drift into this is all the backstory leading into the raw the real rise in the militia movements In 1990s, which again, I wasn't old enough to really understand, but I was old enough to remember all the headlines and what was going on and now I'm just looking back more and searching for information and the timeline is starting to materialize here so if you're bringing us to what would be Rex 84 in around 1984 then yeah let's set the stage for what would be the 1990s and the militia movements that would grip the entire country and there was constant talk from what I'm seeing now constant talk of civil war because there was actual physical mobilization. People talk about civil war now, but it's just because of ridiculous bickering and, you know, inane debates about gender identity and all that other shit. In the 80s and the 90s, men were getting together. They were meeting. They were analyzing things and there was actually physical movement on the ground. At the time that we're talking about we actually had a division of the military where you had two different part two different factions You have the same thing going on right now in the military in the civilian sector It's pretty well given that people who are pro firearm are probably going to beat not all are going to be You know on a particular side if things were to develop that back then It wasn't really any different. It's just that everybody was feeling the pressure from a number of different directions. George Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, got a member, it's the senior, initiated a program with the ATF and the FBI to go after gun owners, manufacturers, and FFLs. And if you take a look historically at the numbers, you can see that progressively they were shutting down and had shut down up to 50% of the FFLs in the United States over a six year period leading up to about 1990. Talk about Ruby Ridge. Ruby Ridge was the culmination of seven years of perpetual attack on the general population, the conservative population, but more most importantly, and this is by the neocons, this is by Bush. Well, as far as the Democrat, no, this is Bush. The Democrats cooperated completely. And contrary to what everybody thinks, they were in bed across the board in these activities. Firearms owners were under attack everywhere. FFLs were being shut down for the same excuses, or worse, in some cases just arbitrarily being attacked, creating conditions, and then fabricating the story after the fact. Manufacturers in inside internal American manufacturers were also being targeted because we had a vast number of small manufacturers all over the United States. That was a culmination of you know leftover from the material capability of World War II because of all the mechanical capability we had. So they didn't want that. Now if you're going to be a globalist and you're going to drop the borders and declare everybody warm fuzzy communists under the globalist banner, what happens is a series of incidents that help to bring people together. Now another part of this, we have post Vietnam, we have a massive experience force of the population. We're overlapping with Korean in World War II of veterans who can see the writing on the wall. They've had personal experiences in the military, they're up to speed. They start talking to each other. the post-Vietnam groups like AMVETS and veterans of the Vietnam War associations, first of all, had a very negative vibe for the government because of Agent Orange and the whole cases of POW-MIAs and everything else that had taken place. So you now have a bunch of people who are asking questions at the right time. By the end of the 80s though, you have pressure from so many directions that people realize we're going to have to take, we have to protect each other. And this had already been developing, again like I said, you can't say it just started in the 80s because it didn't. It started, it had been developing in the 70s, it existed in the 60s, and here's what most people don't know, the 40s and 50s was quite dynamic, but the history has been made to disappear. We won't get on that right now, we'll have time for that some other day. All of these people collected into the late 80s and being able to intercommunicate with each other and no we didn't have the internet, we talked to each other. And I think this is the most critical part, like I said earlier with our problem with the internet is we have a tremendous data stream coming in but nobody's using it. It's not, there's the, we have the fingertip ability to focus energy and manpower anywhere we want. and take all these people that claim that they're interested in the protection or safety of the country and focus them like a diamond. But obviously, the manipulation of the new controlled media, which used to be social media that was open, has dictated that that's been diffused. Back then, personal word of mouth, like you said, pamphletsting was done, but that was to create interest. And then there was still the idea that you had something that everybody forgets. You had cassette tapes. You had then VHS tapes. Later on, you have CD and DVD discs. Well, when the cassette tape was available, I could say something and somebody could make a copy and it would physically be reproduced and passed down the line. The same is true with the VHS tape. The VHS tape was I think the most critical tool and I'm going to say this, it's superior to most of what you have today. And everybody's going to go, what? Well, let me point something out about the VHS machine that does not exist right now. And I'll give you, I know we're going in the sidebar here, but this is critical because you have to understand how do you communicate. Frank, if you wanted to, if you saw something out the window, how long would it take for you, or no, listen, I'll correct that. If you saw something right now happening that was taking place on a media service that you were looking at, how long would it take for you to record that? on the internet? I mean not... Yes! What would I have to go through to do it if I wanted to record it? I'm watching it right now and I need to record it right now because I might never, I might lose it completely. Well... How long would it... You can take your phone out and you can just videotape the screen. You can also do screen recording. I mean, there are some things that you can do quickly with screen capturing, moving screen captures. But I think the quickest thing, even though it would be crude, is to take the phone out of your pocket to fire up the camera real quick and just videotape the television or something else. And hopefully your fingers work right and the digits are not too far off and the buttons don't act up on you, etc. Think about all the things that happen every time you try to do that. Now let's go to VHS technology. I hook a VHS machine up to whatever audio or video system I have. Tape was originally meant for audio. In fact, for doing radio broadcasting, VHS tape is the best medium for rebroadcasting for taping. Most people don't know that. And it was made for industrial purposes for that reason, okay? But here's the thing, how quickly can I record something on a VHS machine? You ever thought about the process, the simple process? You put a tape in the machine, you leave the tape in the machine, you hit power you wait for it to power you in fact if you have it powered up which most of us did all you do is when you see something that's all of a sudden on TV you walked over and you hit that red button or you hit the remote that said record and you were instantly recording with no hesitation no mistake no possibility of failure Do you realize how valuable that is for on time at that moment recording of something that may be in the electronic medium? Well, I mean, not to get into semantics, but to play devil's advocate, you're talking about, A, we have so many more, I think the most valuable media that we have available to ourselves is not available on the television anymore. So I don't even know a reason why anybody would be watching cable news or something like that and need to have the record button ready on the VCR. But back then, when 100%, I can see why that would be the pinnacle of archiving information in the decades that we're talking about. But today, it would not compare to what obviously I can pull out of my pocket with the phone. But when we're talking comparing generations, that is the pinnacle and it is pretty turnkey. Well, the thing is, the most important thing is turnkey. I can hook that system up to any number of other systems or technologies that are record there of providing a service and I could record. But my point is that it was a single action to activate the recording process, which is incredible even by today's standards. How many actions do you have to go through in order for you to bring something into service to make it work? Right, okay. And then even then you can lose it. You know what I mean? In other words, you can make a mistake. I get it. One of the things about the technology when you're looking at ergonomics with weapon systems or communication systems or whatever is time to target ease of use. Okay, that's most important. It has to be mechanically bulky. This is the other thing everybody makes a mistake of. That's why I pointed out, phones are tiny. Why is it the keypad? Now granted, you can readjust it. You can set everything up so you can go to a wide pad on the screen. But you don't have to even do that with a VHS machine. And this technology could be hooked up to anything that provides an electronic image or sound. So I walk up and I just hit record or like I said, now I have a second device, a control, I can hit the switch and it functions. Right, but Mark again. So it's a... Go ahead. It's hooked up to a TV though and we're not going to... It doesn't have to be a TV. No, but we're talking about recording technology because, well, okay, somebody is providing a service, like you're providing a service right now. This is something we have to think outside this. If I wanted to catch it, because I need to be able to show that what I saw is what I saw, the biggest problem we've got is most everybody will say that AI can alter it or whatever, which is true. That's the other, that's the new part of the formula that's going to mess with everybody's head. But to be able to catch when people are making a mistake, showing what they're not supposed to, and it doesn't have to be on television. No matter what system we're working on, the ease with which I can capture an image the faster and quicker it is, the less likely I'm going to lose more of what I need somebody else to see. But this has been I don't know okay. Well, I want to I want to move on I understand We have to move on to something else because we can it's really you know most of the internet is people taking their phones out quicker than any of the guns in the in the old west and capture everything in front of them and They would not be able to do that with a VCR and so right I understand what you're saying but but but we're right at the threshold of the big of the big topics of of tonight now that we have your background on the books. But it's 8 o'clock. Is there anything you want to do to welcome your radio audience? Well, let's do this because we're now at the top of the hour and so first of all you're listening to quite frankly and that's on Rumble so for everybody out there if you haven't tuned to rumble you need to check it out and if you haven't checked out this program quite frankly you need to do so because it has a history and The host is right here with me. We're co-broadcasting tonight Meanwhile, you're listening to libertytreeradio.4mg.com libertytreeradio.org and we are on WBCQ the planet 6.160 regular shortwave that's from Monday through Friday 8 to 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time and this is a co-breadcast with the third hour we've done actually four hours today but this is the third hour of the intelligence report on Liberty Tree Radio I'm Mark Hornky And let me just say that we have just made history on quite frankly so welcome Welcome to all of our new our new listeners right now, and I'm glad to I'm glad to be doing this with you mark So just so everybody knows though for the last hour of the broadcast we have been laying down a very intricate history of you know Mark's background in the military and his awakening moments and and we're kind of building up the the We're building up the the scenery of the early to mid to late 80s, now moving into the 90s, and what was really driving all of the, not only the creation of alternative media that we are living with today, but also the militia movement. So we're about to start with right now. And I think it's a perfect time for eight o'clock to roll around. So here we are in 1992, Mark. We got Ruby Ridge. In 93, we got Waco. And then in 95, We've got Oklahoma City. And I remember these. Ninety-five I remember the best. But they all had one thing, one common string that was running through them all. That this was about the standoffs between Americans who believe that the government is overreaching and that there is a lot here that we have up against us. And then finally in 95. There's a you can tell that there is a gigantic operation here that is that is in place to destroy the Militia movements and everything else that is a tie to them So how would you like to encapsulate this so we can make the best use of our time? Very good to begin with in the pre-92 window. We have a series of standoffs. You've probably you've never heard of They didn't just happen in, you know, Michigan. They happened all over the country. But they happened with Patriot Militia success. Before you heard about the militia, we had a tremendous number of individuals who worked in law. Well, that's pretty peaceful. The problem is people learn the hard way that whenever you get as good as the bad guys are in court and then when you surpass them and become better, you know what the solution is? You kill the people who are the competition. And that's what the government was doing to the legal process, the people who are in our legal processes. They were singling them out, targeting them for attack. And so one of the things that brought us to the militia movement as you would know it in the 90s was a series of standoffs in which the Fed and state police or other agencies would try to acquire and carry away our legal people. And because we had a lot of veterans and a lot of people who were long in the tooth and experienced, people stepped up. I participated in four different standoffs here in Michigan. Usually we put a company-strength unit of people on the ground. The Fed and the state police and the others would put almost a comparable number, about 160 to 180 people, 200 people facing off against Americans, protecting a person who was a Gandhiite. You know what I mean by a Gandhiite? Because everybody, this was in vogue years ago. Oh, you've got to be like Gandhi. We've got to be peaceful. Gandhi was so successful. No, Gandhi is dead. Gandhi was shot to death. So people realize that if we didn't step up, and we did, we stepped up, stood in the way, each case the fed backed down, not us. You ever heard about that, did you? No. I guarantee you haven't. You want to know why? Because it doesn't fit the narrative. So these standoffs would last one or two days. What's really bizarre, I swear before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I'm a first person witness. And each one of these limousine with a Washington DC license plate showed up. It would pass the location, slow down, blacked out windows, go past, turn around somewhere down the road, go past, and all of a sudden everybody was pulled out and they stepped back. Sounds weird, doesn't it? Yeah, so anyway, what's fascinating about this is these series of actions not just here in Michigan happened in Wisconsin happened in South Dakota happened in Colorado happened in Eastern Pennsylvania it happened multiple times down in Florida Northern Florida and Southern Georgia We had Patriots all over the place. There were there was a massive movement that was going on already So again, we also have the gun grab thing, this consolidated more people. And then what happened is, and I personally believe that the attack on the weavers was a test program for the larger effort that they had planned. Okay. Number one, as I mentioned earlier, when they attacked the weavers, And it was built up over an ATF sting operation where they really what they're trying to do is they were trying to use Randy Weaver as a spy and he wouldn't participate. So they lied their ass off about everything. And we could get into the details of that in a second. But when they kicked this off, there was a massive plan in motion. They've isolated three counties of Idaho. They literally, the FEMA, took over the radio and television stations for the state, pretty much. They took over the area of all three of the counties, all of the AM and FM stations, all the local TV was completely under control. They brought in a small mobile army, established a base camp. surrounded the weavers who constituted what? Two males of fighting age, one woman who was the mother of three children. Well, correction, one, two. Yeah, no, four children, correct, it's not marking the microphone. And in addition to that, a dog. Okay, so for that, they brought in a battalion-strength formation that was obviously regimented and planned and organized in advance. They came in with helicopter support and this was a very extensively planned operation. What you don't hear about is that at this point in time, by the time that the Weaver situation took place, the militia was already extensively organized in Idaho and Montana and almost 3,000 people mobilized. And while the Fed surrounded the Weavers, the militia surrounded the Fed. That is what we had. Well, the biggest thing is, I'll tell you what, if you go to Google, let me give you an example, you can see some of the activity that took place and I don't control Google and I know, you know, you don't control Google, but do a search of, you know, for Ruby Rich. Okay, the Weaver Siege, Ruby Rich. When you do that, switch to images. When you switch to images, you're going to see a series of pictures, obviously of the, you know, like the cabin. some of the family members, etc. But there are some pictures of suburban's in the middle ground and guys laying on their belly on the ground and a bunch of feds. Now the pictures are cropped in different ways for propaganda purposes. So you're going to see different variations on this. Those are individuals who were responding to and coming into the area during the siege. Now, the individuals were warned not to use the roads, so understand that the ridge runners of the militia literally walked into the area from adjoining townships and counties and occupied the area surrounding the Fed. This was a classic mountain infantry operation and it was quite successful as a matter of fact. In fact, we also provided supplies, although by the time most of them got there, the siege was over because there had been a negotiation for surrender with the weavers coming out alive, those that were surviving, those that were left. The process of finding out about this wasn't through the control media as I said it was through shortwave and then word of mouth and then interaction with people responding. We put pressure on the state and we also put pressure on the Fed politically. And again politically as in you and me calling Washington saying hey we know what's really going on you can lie to everybody else you want but we know it's actually transpiring. You're trying to murder the Weber family. Well, you know moving on moving to the next to the next year You talk about three people dying at Ruby Ridge where it's it's right and you know that's and then of course you go to the next year with Waco and I mean the feds killed 76 at that point nearly 70 I don't know what's if I don't actually even know if there's any life lost on the on the feds end of things there but I mean they cooked women, children, everybody in those buildings. That's just the next year later and of course this all has tie ins to not only the militia movements to Second Amendment groups. There's very big firearms aspects to all of these early 90s events. Well, plus an election, plus an election event. Let's not forget that you're right in the middle of the, well, this is going on. You have an election process. But let me point something out. You, what's, what was the date for the attack on Ruby Ridge? Do you remember? It was August. It was August, late August. Now here's what's fascinating. When did they plan the attack on the Branch Davidians? Oh, I... I don't know. About the planning, I don't know. April 19th is the day the hotshot was heard around the world and the globalists wanted to turn that around and make that a you need to be steered shitless of government day. But what? Okay, the first the first attack, you know, the siege lasted so many days. Okay, you do understand that they had planned in advance a year in advance attacking the Branch Davidians. I didn't know that no. Now let's add to the formula because you've now acknowledged that well it was only a year later after they were doing the the Weaver family guys The original plan was laid down under George Herbert Walker Bush's administration one year before the attack a complete full mock-up of the Branch Davidian home and church was built at Fort Hood, Texas. For one year before the attack, the ATF and FBI were practicing the assault on the Branch Davidian home and church. Was this made public in some way? It's all publicly known. Here's the thing. This information was available before the attack took place. We know this. What most important is, and again this is where you've got, this will give you an idea of how deep the plan and process was. This didn't happen in a vacuum. Each incident didn't happen in isolation. It was a progressive planned escalation of attacks on the population. The purpose behind this was that step one was a practice exercise in another region. Remember there are ten regional governments. another region of the country. But while the Weaver attack was going on, the next phase was already in motion and planned by George Herbert Walker Bush and his administration. The logic was that Bush was going to get a second term. Bush would have continued just as Bill Clinton did with the gun confiscation process in its second phase. The Weaver attack was part of the training cycle but also building up pressure. Even as they did that, they established and built the mock-up at Fort Hood at the same time. So they were preparing for a bigger action for the purpose of propaganda. Now, understand that if it had gone the way it was supposed to, let's think about, first of all, they're practicing. They bring in ATF and FBI units from all over the West, and some even from as far as the East Coast, to train at Fort Hood to practice, practice, practice, practice for the attack on the Branch Davidians as a big propaganda opportunity to raise funds, to develop fear, and to develop expertise for a larger police state with regard to actions against the population. I, in what I've been, in what I'm trying to look for right now, and obviously, from what I'm seeing, it's well documented that the ATF had been investigating the Branch Davidians as early as 1992, but So so there has to be a lot in investigating I have to imagine that that trying to understand the compound and How they were living in the ins and outs of things I guess that's believable that that would be it, but there's nothing ever there's nothing really published about how There would have been constructed some models constructed. Where did you aware if you found that all this is? This is not a model, this is a full-size training site. This was a site put on for, here's the thing. Why were the Israelis involved in this? I don't know. For that matter, later on, there's going to be a whole lot of other people that are brought into the picture for what becomes a multinational branch Davidian attack. Russian intelligence operations, actually psychological warfare operations were on the ground there. Do you know who documented that? the BBC. They had a three-part documentary while the Branch Davidian siege was going on and recorded the Russians on the ground and it's part of a documentary that they posted. The picture is very different from what you see in the controlled media or even what you hear from people who did cursory studies of what happened at Waco. The big thing is that if Waco had gone the way it was supposed to, here's how it was supposed to work, the cattle cars ride up. They dismount and charge the building. They kill the puppies and the dogs. You do know they killed the puppies and the dogs, right? Yes, Daddy did know. Okay, remember that? You know what they did with the dogs? Okay, well, I'll wait. Let's do it right the first time. The purpose behind this was a large psychological warfare operation with a gun confiscation rate. Now, were any of the guns on site illegal? I don't know. Okay, here's the thing. Now, do you know this? Okay, well, I'm not trying to put you in a spot, okay? No, I didn't know if you were... I have no problems. I had no problems. I don't know. I just didn't know if you were waiting for an answer. I always ask questions to see if you've heard, okay? Now let me point something out was okay who owned the guns that were at that the Branch Davidians had Do you know? That they owned themselves? I might think that they all owned them themselves the way it's the questions being posed. I'd say no Okay, here's the thing. Did you know that there was an FFL on the property a federal firearms license on the property? No, I didn't Do you remember the father and son who were arrested on the other side of Texas when the Branch Davidians were attacked? For rare? Do you remember the thing? It was a father and his son. They were at a gun show. Why were they at a gun show? Because he was an FFL dealer and the weapons that they had which were specifically stored in a specific location in the Branch Davidian property were under the FFL as weapons and inventory. None of them were illegal. None of them were machine guns. There were no grenades. That's a lie. In reality, the purpose behind this was to escalate the attack on FFLs originally planned by George Herbert Walker Bush. They trained in practice for this so that when the cattle cars rolled up, their logic is that the Branch Davidians would not fight. Does everybody understand this? Listen to what I'm saying. Go black and look at the history of the Branch Davidians. When the sheriff's office went to the branch Davidians and asked about their weapons. What did the branch Davidians do with their weapons? Anybody remember? Class. They gave them to the sheriff and the sheriff inspected and checked the weapons for legality, you know, making sure that everything was properly, you know, whose property and whatever. You do know that, right? So if they don't present the history of the Branch Davidians cooperating fully with local law enforcement and never having a conflict with them, which is why the sheriff was not informed of the attack that took place, which you don't know about either, the idea is that they would create this incident where they could claim great malfeasance, but they knew that they had relative safety with regard to action. So they roll up with the cattle cars, they charge the building, they kill the dogs. They kick in the doors, they bring out the children in huddles like a bunch of little geese who are crying and terrified. Of course they are. People with guns in black uniforms are pointing guns at them. But they come out and the news media is already there. Remember the news crew that was there because they were told in advance to be there? and they film the kids coming out. And then one of their ATF agent rolls out a big long white sheet in front of the building, two of them actually, and then they bring the women out sobbing and some of them bloodied, and they bring the men out in handcuffs and the women are in handcuffs and the children are separated from the women. And then one at a time, they come out of the building holding the barrel of a gun by two fingers or by a couple of fingers So you can see each gun and they come out and they lay each gun on the big white long piece of cloth. How do I know this is the scenario? Because they've done this in other locations around the country in the exact same way. But this was supposed to be the big propaganda event. Well, let's take that moment right there to switch off. somewhere else because if you this obviously what you're describing as far as spectacle aspect and The the death toll I mean it's a bit so horror. It's a horror. It's a slaughterhouse But the death toll is only because again what happens is? Remember at the beginning the attack one of the things you start shooting and people are going to figure that you probably are serious about killing them and You know that the dogs were killed in the initial attack, right? Okay, now, the thing didn't go as expected because once you start shooting at people, people might think you're trying to kill them. And when you hear outside, what, have you ever heard the soundtrack of what happened? The soundtrack of what happened? No. Of the attack, the day of the attack. When the ATF comes in, there was an entire team whose sole job was to execute all of the animals on the property. Dogs didn't make any of us what it is. It's all recorded. The bat faggots jump out of the back of their cattle cars. They start running up towards the building. An element goes off to the side and starts bang bang bang and all you hear is WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP Part of the soundtrack you're supposed to hear but the control media won't give you. So what are you supposed to think Frank? Somebody's charging up on your property and they start shooting everything that's alive outside. They started doing this before the confrontation at the door. Bullshit propaganda piece you see where they did a movie while Waco was taking place. They did that BS propaganda piece called Waco. Anybody remember that? That was done during the siege. That was done as it was filmed progressively to be a damage control piece. Nobody was waiting inside to shoot the Batfaggots, I wish they were. Hardly anybody was armed initially when the Batfaggot showed up. Now here's the thing, an elder, Koresh, one other family member and one of the little kids. And the kid was not paying attention to what mom said, so he ended up out on the front stoop with everybody else. Why? God knows. Well, God's a thief. But anyway, they're killing the dogs. Meanwhile, he's going, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, we got women and kids in here. And the Batfaggots open fire. So what would you do, people? They're killing everything that's alive and then they start shooting your people. The family elder was shot. He was the oldest senior member of the Branch Davidian Church that was there. He was shot in the gut. He was a World War II veteran. He got shot multiple times in the gut by one of the bat faggots. He falls back into the vestibule area, into the area just inside from the doors. He was badly hit. He kept begging people for a gun so he could kill himself because he knew exactly how badly he was hit. This is the precursor to people arming and suddenly shooting their ass. Well, let me just say that it is obviously, you can see where how this is all set up, where you have a monopoly on power and you also have a monopoly on information, then you can pick a person up against their principles and make them act in a principled way, but you are ultimately the arbiter of how the entire thing is going to be presented. to the world. So, I mean, we can see how this can be set up and has been, and has been repeated many times because as I'd like to do, I'd like to bring this a lot more modern and there's still so much I need to do with you, so I'd like to move on to the next thing. Because Waco and Ruby Ridge are directly related to the published motivations for the Oklahoma City bombing and Timothy McVeigh's, you know, reasoning for taking half of this gigantic building down. You look at this, this is one thing I was 10 years old in 1995, but even then, this is when I started, I would ask myself pretty poignant questions and then never really care about an answer. I would just say, oh, I guess it is possible. I don't know how a Explosives in a car that is parked next to a building can take half of a building down. I never understood that back then there too, but there's so much here, and of course McVay's apparent alleged attack was a direct outgrowth of this environment of that time. And I believe that, at least from what was reported publicly, both of these events, Ruby Ridge and Waco were cited as motivation, or at least presented as motivation, which to me, it becomes obvious This is a bigger moment in time where everybody has to wonder whose side are we on, the governments or these crazy militia people, and then, you know, it's just a battle of perception at that point. So, tell me a little bit about Oklahoma City, because this is where you get personally dragged into the reporting of this. I found an article from 1995 with quotes from militia figures who claim that you knew McVeigh. I have a video here I'd actually love to watch it. It's a minute and a half of you talking. It's really fascinating. So give me a couple of thoughts and then let's watch this video together. Well hold on for a second. Let's back up because understand the militia effort during this period of time is already formed. Okay? You're compressing, we have to because you're hitting key points. But let's back up just a here. Number one, the militia was incredibly successful. The government expected Waco to become a big terror action in which all of you, all of us would defecate in our pants and pee our pants and beg mass and not to whoop us. And instead, because this had been a cascading series of events, not just one pimple event, but a series of events, many, many people both in the military, and that's the factor you don't want, they didn't want you to think about, and people outside the military both understood what was coming. Do you think that this was working in a vacuum without people communicating with people they'd served with for 10, 20 years in the military? We were a divided nation and it never has changed since, but at that point from 1990, well actually from 1989, to then the 92 window where we got the first taste of them publicly making an action where it would be very It would be publicly presented and then going to Waco immediately, which really they did. Everybody that was in the system was asking about first the weavers, well how, if they're willing to do that, how much farther are they willing to go? Well then we knew what was going on at Fort Hood with what they were constructing. We didn't know what the location was, but we knew that the training site was there. People have been organizing in every state. I traveled to every state in the union except Hawaii and Alaska. Militia were formed literally in every state. I built them. My job was to help to make it, that's what I chose to do. In fact, before I did it, I had a conversation with my wife, everybody else that was going to be participating. Either A, we keep doing this from behind the scenes, because in all of the 80s, I was behind the scenes, but functional in the Patriot movement on a massive scale. Maps and things that people pull out now are stuff that we did client a clandestine way we released anonymously It was regenerated. It's still regenerated to this date Nancy laughs constantly when she sees some of the stuff that they've put out there I want to watch I want to watch it with you. I really do it's but it did get get to right going Yeah, let's know where did talk about because this is going to mention this is going to mention The feds looking into that you're not a suspect But that they were looking into whether or not you knew McVeigh and all that stuff. To what extent? How did this link even be made between you and McVeigh? The reasoning was that this is the amount of interactivity going on with people. I had one individual stepped up flat out from one of the agencies. He said, Mr. Cornky, the only reason they did the Oklahoma City bombing was to go after you. That's a big that's a big operation to go off to you mark. No, it's not Because what do you real? Okay. I want you to consider something I'm trying to explain to you my history a history of decades in a couple of hours in fact most of it in 40 minutes Do you think that this is an effective detailed history of the battlefield that we were in? I committed a hundred percent of my time to actually mobilizing as many people as possible. I firsthand experienced most of this. With Ruby, with Waco, Janet Reno, let's go back to Waco real quick. Janet Reno is on video a year after Waco, 1996. Asking her questions in Florida, remember she was from Florida, And they're yapping her back and forth as the Attorney General and she goes, you burned those children, those children. You attacked the Branch Davidians. He goes, why did you do it? And she blurted out because they've been parroting her with a bunch of questions. We had to attack because the militia was coming. What? So do you think the militia just developed within say the 1993-1994 window? Or just because it was not something that was knee-jerk. This is not, you know, this is the one thing. I'm not saying you're thinking this way. But most people compress and think in movie or television terms, in terms of time and compression. In reality, this was a compounding series of events that took place over a period of two decades and culminated in a window of activity for opportunity on the part of the globalists. Right behind all of this, you have NAFTA and GATT. Right behind all of this, you have an attempt, well, during it, you have an attempt at confiscating guns. Why do you think there in fact if you do a search on me? Initially if you do depending which search you do you'll notice you get over 48,000 and 98,000 and 110,000 subject hits on my name Why? Well, let's play one of those. I have a minute. Go ahead. Go ahead and do that. A minute and a half clip. Hopefully you can hear the, I think you should be able to hear the audio, but either way, if you don't just sit tight for a minute and a half and I'll let you know when we're good to go, here we go. This is from CBS News in 1995. The man who didn't come home last night did show up in town today. Para-military activist Mark Kornke says he's not hiding. For the last three days, to give you an idea of how this information works, you've been told that supposedly the FBI and the ATF and every mother's uncle is looking for me. Something's wrong. They have had no contact with you at all? I have had contact with them and called them every day for the last three days. The 37-year-old maintenance mechanic took a day off from his job at the University of Michigan. Despite earlier reports, authorities say Corn Key is not wanted for questioning in connection with the Oklahoma City bombing. The communication with the FBI in Detroit is that we are not looking for them, nor are they. So we have no really information to follow up. I would question that there's a possibility here that the Fed, and they're trying to cover their tracks, may have either had a terrible accident because there's other things that were found by the rescue workers that they kind of quieted up about. Corn Key says he'll continue to speak out for what he believes. In fact, he'll be back on his shortwave radio show tonight. Okay, so... I mean, you put it all out there. Hey, well, I don't know anybody. I've been in contact with feds, but I'm not wanted for questioning. Everybody said that. But then there is the big one at the end. I think that there is a cover-up going on here and that this is probably not all there is to the story, which is usually the case. Here's why. Okay, number one. We already had an idea that something would happen on April 19, 1995. Okay? In the month before the Oklahoma City bombing, I have a document on file. We've recorded it, we've reproduced it over the years. It must be maybe floating around out there still. The judges running the federal courts in the Murrah Building, almost a month before the Oklahoma City bombing, generated a letter. What was the purpose of this letter? The letter was a cease and desist order of all live bomb classes taking place in the Murrah Building by the ATF and FBI. This letter was generated as a public document by the courts as a demand and in fact order to cease and desist all live bomb-making classes that were going on in the building. How would they know that? Well, it's a big government office building and everybody talks at the water cooler and everybody was talking about the fact that the ATF and FBI were doing things around the building that didn't make any sense. But their cover story is that they were practicing and in fact were assembling actual live devices in the Murrah Building. This document wasn't generated by Mark and it wasn't generated by Patriot movement. It was generated by individuals in the Murrah Building, in fact the judges, as a consortium. We knew this before the bombing. Now here's another place you need to look at. It's called Camp Gruber. Write that down, Frank. Camp Gruber. We weren't sure what location, but about 180 miles from Oklahoma City is a facility called Camp Gruber. It's a National Guard facility. It was an active army base. Still is very active with spook and cooke operations. Well, a couple months before the Oklahoma City, more than a couple months before the Oklahoma City bombing, a compound went up. It was built. It was rectangular. It's about three quarters, what, 80 yards long. It was about 30 yards, 40 yards wide, not 40, 45 yards wide, forgive me. It was a cyclone fence. A cyclone fence went up first. It was a 10 foot fence. It had privacy stripping woven into it, brand new. A brand new power supply was taken out to this area from the main power grid off of Camp Gruber. This was located out in the old transportation area. And the site was built up with GP medium and large tents for what obviously were classroom areas. There was a loading gantry made up of gravel, so the material brought in by truck, you could back up to it, pull the stuff off the truck without a loading ramp. And then there were four side by side quants at portable maintenance tents. Now at the end of them to the if you're looking at it from above we'll say to the right and closest to the right side of the fence There were four GP medium tents built in behind that put put in place At the front were four more fenced in compound areas little compound areas big enough for pretty big vehicles Now Frank nobody knew what this site was about but it was being photographed from the air I'll qualify that in a minute Frank in the first little compound in front of the first Quonset. There's a trailer Then there's a pickup truck in the next one then there's a Humvee and the other one and in the fourth one There is a rider moving truck now complex was built up and operated for an extensive period of time About a quarter mile down the road in the range area, half mile actually, there was an armored grandstand built. For some strange reason, somebody was taking objects that had wheels on them out in front of those grandstands and blowing stuff up. Now, just before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, the site shut down and everything inside that compound was moved. The rider truck really jumped out. It was like, why a rider truck? Well, wait a minute. We know more about that in a minute. Here's what's fascinating. I have a stack of photographs. They are intelligence collections photographs. They are, in fact, really beautiful. They were done with high resolution telephoto lenses by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. The Oklahoma Highway Patrol recorded and documented this bomb making site. Before the Oklahoma City bombing, how did they do this? Well, the pilots for the governor's executive air transport would be flying across this area during their outbounds when they were moving around, they were moving the governor, when they'd replace a plane because they had more than one plane for the governor. If one breaks down, they don't try to fix it in place, they go send another. As these pilots flew over the area, they identified and saw the construction was going on a camp grouper, so they started photographing it. They photographed it from its original construction through to its evacuation. I have six and a half inches, if you think about how thin a single photograph is, I've got six and a half inches of the images from the photo reconnaissance done by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol monitoring this bomb making site. That rider truck is the exact same rider truck that supposedly was parked right next to the Murrah Building. That supposedly took half of it down. Yeah, which probably isn't the case because the bomb making classes I think were a deception for interactivity, kind of like with what we would see later on 9-11 with the destruction of say, Building 7 and the towers. I believe that they were pre-demolition, the argument is that it was. I know most everybody who were either survivors or people who were law enforcement, they all came to me. I've been doing this for 35 years. I've been doing it for 45 years if you count behind the scenes. I interacted with all of these people first person, Frank. Not somebody said, somebody heard. I sat down in Pelt, Oklahoma in the week before the Oklahoma City bombing and was given this entire portfolio by the pilots. and the individuals who did the photo reconnaissance and photography of Camp Gruber. This isn't somebody said, somebody heard. These individuals flat out, any time I've dealt with people who were whistle blowing or in this case knew they were in a war, every time, first thing you say is Mr. Quirky, I don't wanna know anything about what you're doing. I do not, well, I'm not here to find out anything about you. Mr. Quirky, I would like to show you something. And so these gentlemen had a meeting that we had at Tulsa, about 20,000 people in attendance. We didn't have one or two or 100 people. We had rallies in Florida that had 100,000 people in attendance that I spoke to. In Tulsa, we had 20,000 people. They had to open up the, expand the area three times for the number of people that showed up. But before, and while they were standing there waiting for me to speak, These individuals, I had another party came in and said, Mark, we got somebody that needs to speak to you. So I did, of course, step off to the side. And we meet in a private area. We sat down and he said, Mr. Crockett, we need to show you something. And he didn't say, he didn't infer. They do exactly what I do with you when I ask you questions. That's how you learn, but also find out things about people and how much they do know. And... They didn't say this was a bomb factory. They said, Mr. Currently, let me show you these pictures. What do you think this is? Well, it was pretty obvious what it was. The government had a bomb factory, which was probably going to be used for not just the Oklahoma City bombing, but for a whole lot of other bombings. Because in order for you to train government terrorists, Mossad and other government terrorists, you have to have a practice place. And the Oklahoma City bombing was part of a much bigger picture. All the characters involved were either spit swapping ring knockers or they were foreign operatives. Let me ask you something. Jim, hear about the Chevy pickup truck that was called in as an all points bulletin when the Murrah Building blew up, as it blew up, as a matter of fact. No. You can find this. I have all of this on file with tapes and videos from all of the local law enforcement, but also from the local media. So I don't control the local media. But as the bombing took place, witnesses described a Chevy pickup truck with three non-Hispanic brown-skinned individuals leaving the scene, leaving the area at high speed. Are these the John Does? These are individual, well they are a John Does, but here's the thing. The truck was stolen, his was really bizarre. It was a custom pickup truck. It was a classic, I think like a 69 Chevy. And it was painted, I think it was a red to yellow or a yellow to red. Gotta have to look at the notes. Anyway, the truck was painted, I believe it was painted yellow. Okay, I'll go that way. But anyway, it was specifically a Chevy truck. It had been stolen that morning before the bombing. The individuals are specifically noted by the Oklahoma Police Department as three not and a particularly stated non-hispanic Foreign individuals, you know, in other words brown-skinned individuals and That's where they left it. Now. Do you know that the Fed recovered that truck? I do. Here's what's really here's the fun part about that the Fed recovered the truck and never told anybody They disassembled the truck every nut and bolt. They literally disassembled that truck How do we know this? Well, because they did it in a Oklahoma Highway Patrol facility. When they reassembled it, they repainted the fed, repainted the truck so it was a completely different color. And they took the trunk of the gate off of the truck and replaced it with another gate. to change the image and silhouette of the vehicle, probably to be safe in case it got caught on video. And by the way, it did get caught on video. You do know that, right? You know the whole bombing was videotaped, right? Well, I'm sure somebody, if somebody... No, no, no, not somebody. Government did. Let me point out, this is what's really bad about... In fact, even in the imagery you could find. I want you to look right across the street. And, Mark, just to bring your attention, we're rapidly running out of time here. I know, I know, I know, real quick here. Everybody to help you to understand what people aren't supposed to look at. Right across the street, on the corner, and every 20 feet, there is a camera on a post in the parking lot right across from the side of the Murrum Building that blew up, that was blown up, okay? is in the controlled media in Oklahoma. They did several intros the first day where they actually, you know how you do like a feedback where you're coming back from an ad? And they had a camera pointed right at camera. You didn't know what it was. Well, what the hell is this? And they pull back with the camera from the news crew and the camera is pointed at the mirror building and that you realize as the camera pulls back, you can see camera after camera. After camera after camera and they were all pointed at the Murr building, but the issue some Frank Why do we have to guess about what happened? When the federal government because the federal government owns that parking lot the federal government had all the videotape of the bombing You have to imagine especially if there's that kind of that kind of planning put into something like this again. There's there's Just like we were talking about with Richard Gage two weeks ago, it's an old time question that really takes the whole official story of 9-11, I mean the official story of 9-11 comes apart from so many different angles, but when you look at the way that building 7 fell, You say, okay, well, if you needed to prepare this building for demolition to fall in this way, how much time would it need to be able to make that happen? And Richard said, about a month. So with that kind of planning, you'd have to imagine that somebody would have a tripod and a camera set up off in the distance to have the whole thing on tape somewhere. So, I mean, of course it's not going to be on the evening news, but I have to imagine it exists. The interesting thing about this is that an individual, one of the one of the victims, or actually forgive me, one of the individuals who was beat to death after he was picked up by police at the Oklahoma Airport federal facility, he was taken there and beaten to death during interrogation. They beat him literally to death. His brother filed a lawsuit that he won, demanding the video from the federal government building cameras that day. You know what they gave him? They gave him, when he finally won, he finally had to appeal, appeal, appeal, they blocked, they blocked, they blocked. They gave him camera footage from Colorado and from somewhere in Nevada. No. Not because, no, it could be arrogant because they all, everybody, all of this evidence is, is, is, can be demonstrated by physical representation of the technology, okay? But when you ask, you know, like, Why did they do this? The purpose was to try and break the Patriot Movement. They didn't. And they didn't break the militia movement either. That's where you had a bunch of limp dink or a whole bunch of panty-waist, which you typically will have in any movement, just like with the Trump thing. If Trump's situation goes south, all these people wearing the red hats, half of them will make the red hats disappear so fast. It will make your head swim. They'll run to their house. They'll nail themselves into the house like they did with the Corona beer virus craft. They'll run to the basement and hide underneath the moldy hideaway bed again, just like they did for two years while all the propaganda was coming out, but only because it looks like things are serious and they might have to fight to defend themselves. So the people that typically give you this angst-type version of what happened during and after the Oklahoma City bombing were the people who ran and hid. I didn't run and hide. In fact, just reversed. We were ready to go to war. This logic, April 19th, was going to be, if they decided on the 20th, 21st, you want to know why they backed off? Because we said, my fault, your fault, anybody's fault, will shoot your ass. That's as polite as I could be. That's certainly not the case today, as you were saying before. And we have so much to talk about because we're just getting Our conversation, we spanned the last years of the 70s, all throughout the 80s, and now we went from Ruby Ridge, Waco, now we're in 1995, and six years later we have 9-11, but in 2001 you would be in prison. There's a new event, there's one event before that which you don't probably know much about, but it's right at one year after the Oklahoma City bombing. We have to save it because we want to cluster this with your stint in prison because that's incredible. And that's all happening. And that really just leads, once you get out of prison, we have to talk about this. And I hope we were able to get it all in tonight. Because that maybe we can do can we do this in three minutes? Is it possible to do it in three minutes? Because I go ahead we give you a cursory overview Go ahead go ahead and ask your question whatever go ahead because what I was looking through just the profile of everything that's going on with you And where you've been and all that I saw that in 2000 there was a bank robbery in town and And you weren't a suspect in it, but for some reason you were still evading police and that you were hit with charges for, you know, vehicular crimes, whatever, trying to get away from cops who were pursuing you. I don't know if they thought you were a suspect or not, but you did not rob the bank, just like you did not talk to Timothy McVeigh, but they threw the book at you. And you went, you were in jail for about seven years or so, so you were actually in prison during 9-11, right? Right. Actually, what's funny real quick, it's a skew because there are different charges, different cases that we're talking about here. Because they tried twice to grab me and they failed the first time. You probably have to sort that out if you take a look at the timeline. That's why this would take even longer. Okay. Because the original, here's the thing, the bank robbery was coordinated. The guy came into the bank, he hands the teller a note. The teller gives him the money. We're pulling up next to the bank. Downtown Dexter, I've lived there all my life. That's the bank I bank at. Okay? Huron National Bank is what it used to be. It's changed names. We drive by, we pull up, and this guy, we're not, he doesn't come anywhere near us. In fact, he's in the bank. We go by, he comes out of the bank. Okay, so the teller, now you listen to this carefully because this is all on tape recording, which we have. The teller calls the police 911. Hello, 911. Hi, this is your on bank. We've just been robbed. Is he right there still? No, he's not here. Where is he? And all the tellers and the manager are at the bank window. Well, he just went out the front door. He went across the street. He turned and he went over to the sheriff's office. Did you hear what I just did you hear what I just said? The bank robber went to the sheriff's office. If you look at the little town of Dexter, right in downtown, he walked right out and they said, well, was it Mr. Karky? He goes, no, wasn't Mr. Karky, what are you talking about? Me, me, Mr. Karky, no. They knew immediately. They were planning a, let's just say a party down the road. We know this, I pieced, we actually didn't just pieced all together. I had sheriff deputies come up with documents. Guys, I know a lot of people, okay? I've known people for decades in the community. So I have, for instance, on the dispatch tapes. There are three versions of the dispatch tapes for the attack on me. There's the one that the county finally surrendered after a month's worth of court battle. When they surrendered that, within a minute... But, Mark, let's cut right to the bone of this. If you didn't rob the bank, what did you get charged for? Well, eventually I got charged with eluding. But you can't elude if you don't have an original charge, which is why I'm the only person in the state of Michigan's history to be charged with the We had the crime that I didn't commit, technically didn't commit. And then did you wrestle? Here's the reason. Yeah. Well, here's one of the reason to understand. I'm what is called a category 11 political prisoner. You probably never heard that term. The January Sixers are category 11 political prisoners also. Now this is a term from in the system. It means that you are targeted for a cooperative attack by the judges, the prosecutors, and even your lawyer. How do I know this? Well, I had people turn the computer screens right around and I got a chance to read everything that was in the files. Oh, that's right. I know a lot of people, but there's a lot of other people I've affected. If I've dealt with a million to a 10 million or 20, I've affected or I've contacted or somehow somebody's heard what I've said, they didn't know what my works are. Because of this, there are a lot of people of like mind. The system didn't just recently sprout whistleblowers, people, there's all kinds of good men and women all through the system and know exactly what the other bastards are doing.