Mark Koernke discussed nuclear preparedness and survival strategies, including the Nuke Map web application for modeling nuclear blast effects and fallout patterns. The episode covered lessons from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, emphasizing that most casualties resulted from blast injuries and secondary projectiles rather than radiation, and that both cities were successfully rebuilt and repopulated. Koernke provided detailed guidance on iodine supplementation for thyroid protection in nuclear scenarios, explaining topical application methods and dosing frequency. Callers contributed information on the book "The Last Train from Hiroshima" by Charles Pellegrino, iodine patch absorption testing, gunsmith pin sourcing, and practical preparedness items like sugar for wound treatment and food preservation.
ever but uh, I said you can set it up all whatever you want to Kill it on weapons to megaton weapons and any it even says, you know the current Russian arsenal ICBM or Sub-based missiles or whatever, you know that that is public knowledge that you know that's been out there or whatever I mean I could change that but you you know the it has that in the listing of
Current ones and then obviously, you know, we know they have bit we have they and us have bigger weapons And we've kind of reduced because bigger is not always better per se but uh, it's a and that's a Pretty interest program that people should check out like if it's a web-based program apparently you get it for your phone And it's called Nuke map Nuke map if you just do a search that's not the actual name of the website
I think it's like Alex something or whatever, but if you just type it in, it'll be like the second or third one down. You'll find it on Google if you just do a search, it's called Nuke Map. That's all I had Mark unless you had questions. Go ahead though, the Nuke Map, what is the, okay, is it Nuke Map dot? What is the page again to go to? Repeat that a couple of times so everybody knows.
It's alexiswellerstein.com is the name of the website. But if you just type in the Google Nuke map, it'll be about the second or third one down. But it's alexwellerstein.com and he designed a web-based free application that just uses
your web browser and you can do all these parameters and stuff you don't have to download anything. Like I said, they do have, I guess, an app for your phone. You can use them if you have a smart device. You can play with it on your phone, but if you just want to use your computer, it's free, no charge, no downloading anything and stuff. And you can do all the different parameters that you want to throw at it. And you can even set off multiple nukes.
You can put down pins all over where you know there's new targets all over in your state. So it's not just one and then you have to move to another spot and detonate another one. And then that one disappears. You can set off multiples so you can see the fallout pattern, then overlaps or whatever. And like I said, it is pretty interesting because it will allow you to whatever your current weather conditions, at least wind speed for today.
when you first mess with it will show the wind direction and speed and you can kind of see the direction of fallout and you know rough area where the fallout would go if that was if it happened today based on your location and wind speed. That's all I had Mark. Excellent. Well the big thing here again is it's an inventory item that should be on hand at the very least to play out scenarios.
Not everybody is, you know, has a target in their backyard, but one of the most interesting things that everybody seems to forget is that there's an old list, so to speak, of a primary, secondary, and third and fourth tier targets for MIRV missile systems or for, you know, what they consider to be critical infrastructure components. And some of these things are not where you would expect them to be, people.
We have a communications jump hub that's located literally out in the middle of nowhere. That's why it's where it is. The control room has a nuclear bunker right underneath it. There's a hatch. You go, you know, everybody in the control room, if they thought that they had an incoming, would open up the hatch, slide down into the sub-sub basement, close the hatch, and then close another hatch, and close another hatch. And this complex is a relay point.
And yet, they actually did set it up with the full accommodations. And this is a very large complex with typically only so many people on hand to actually operate it. That would be a target. It may not qualify for a nuclear response because depending on how a war escalates, going to conventional is more economical than general. I mean, everybody thinks, well, we'll just keep dropping nukes.
Progressively, as the defender or the offensive force on both sides run out of munitions and have to step back in technology, you're going to see conventionals appear. But the problem is being able to sort out the difference because there are a wide variety of different nuclear devices available to pretty much every nuclear power.
The US military tested and even though they don't necessarily standardize on everything they went everything They tested everything they could to nucify it to use it on the battlefield The Russians did the same thing the Chinese have to a degree The Israelis have stolen everything from us those rats of you know again there when we get nuked it'll be an American nuke Because it'll be the Israelis doing it. You know, they have their way with regard to what they're trying to do right now the
Big thing here again is understanding that we not only we may not be able to protect it, but we also need to evaluate What is before us to try and determine what the threat is after the attack? So this is why individuals need to you know brush up on ordinance and understanding the potentials with different weapons Because we're going to have to calculate risk and time and duration
Fallout, depending upon multiple strikes, one maybe then another later, then a follow-up even beyond that, don't have to be the biggest weapons. But they will continue to spew or push down range, downwind, radiological fallout for a period of time beyond perhaps even two weeks. If it's just a direct exchange and then everybody figures now we'll settle back to conventional.
then you're still gonna have to deal with that two week window of why am I gonna risk myself being out in the breeze when I can properly protect myself, take cover, and then after that point, the radiological threat very quickly dies down. Because again, the shelf life, the half life of whatever it is that's been irradiated and used or created, that's turned into fallout.
has a very short narrow window of activity and then it's at a low but consistent level of background radiation for a number of years or decades. Now again, for everybody who goes, well, we'd all be doomed. I want you to do a Google map on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The epicenter is known for both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What do both of those locations look like today?
In fact, ask yourself how quickly did they rebuild the nuke strikes and repopulate those two nuke strikes in Japan? Oh, you're not supposed to think about that. Did they abandon Nagasaki? Is it gone? Is it vacant? No, it's not. Hiroshima, is it gone? Is it vacant? No, it's not. Go ahead, chip in there, please.
He kind of read my mind. I was going to bring up also, I brought this up in the past as people need to read the book, The Last Train from Hiroshima. It's The Last Train from Hiroshima by Charles Pellegrino. It covers eyewitness, different eyewitness accounts, survivors of the bombing of Hiroshima.
And the aftermath of the days after, and it covers different survivors from different people that were close to the bomb who were on the outskirts of the city. Like for example, there was two girls, they were in an office military facility or something on the outskirts of the city. And they had been training if there was a bomb blast that goes off it. If you see the flash hit the ground because a shockwave will bust the windows and you could be injured by flying glass.
Well, the one girl took heed, followed the advice because she saw the flash and got to the ground. The other girl stood at the window, she yelled at her to get down and the shockwave hit the glass and killed her from glass impaling her because she didn't listen and get to the floor to avoid the shrapnel from the glass. But this is a very, very, I mean, it is kind of gruesome when you read about it and stuff like that.
I mean, you can learn from it and get some aspects like I brought up in the past also from this book that they learned they were short on bandages and also that they thought that maggots in people's wounds were mad for that, but they were actually helping keep the wounds clean and stuff like that. They later learned that after the fact and also with the
seaweed they ran out of bandages so they were using seaweed had seaweed actually live longer than people because the seaweed has iodine naturally in it and it absorbed through their skin for the injuries so But like I said, that's the last train from Hiroshima the last train from Hiroshima by Charles Pellegrino Like I said, it's a very very good book basically the title of the book comes from
There was a train pulling into Hiroshima when the bomb detonated. They, you know, picked up a lot of survivors and stuff like that and they headed to Nagasaki. And as that train, same train was pulling into Nagasaki, second bomb went off a few weeks or a week, I can't remember what the time frame is, but went off as that train was pulled off, but that's where the title comes from. But a very, very fascinating book, very good read.
and lots of interesting information that you can gain from reading these eyewitness accounts that were there on the ground from different aspects and stuff like that. So that's all I had Mark. Now again, remember one of the most important things everybody... Duck and Cover was based on the historical information available in evaluating the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Most of the casualties of Hiroshima were not, were not, were not because of radiation. It was because of secondary projectile injuries, well, of course fatal injuries or fatal, you know, fatal concussive attacks of whatever type with materials.
that took out a lot of people. And so the idea is that, like you said, basic rule, and by the way, this applies with any kind of ordinance. Rule number one, take cover. Just remember that.
with a blast, rule number one, put junk between you and whatever direction the blast is. Take cover. Now it sounds weird because they said, well, jump to the curb. Guys, you don't need that much material to deflect or change the angle of approach of debris or as is pointed out, especially in a room where you have windows.
Glass becomes a thousand daggers moving at the velocity of the blast, which is exactly what happened to the one girl. But it happened to many other people too. The big thing here is you may still be injured, but you're not, again, it's not a KIA. You may still require medical attention, but you will survive the action. The next step is to understand still, even as you're injured, if you're able to move, you move away from the epicenter of the event.
But in addition to that, pay attention to wind direction. You want to move perpendicular to the wind drift in what is identified as a nuclear threat situation. And you don't want to move downwind with the fallout. Always remember that. Move perpendicular and constantly be trying to move and turn your motion
up range from the down range wind drift for the fallout. Go ahead, jump in there please. Hey Mark, it's John from Kentucky. I did your Iodine patch on my arm, about a one inch square, and it lasted for six hours.
Is that good, bad, and does that mean you're... Oh, that means you've already got a sufficient level of iodine. I mean, it'll still stay. The iodine typically doesn't really have color. They add the color. Yeah. I mean, it's something they can bleach out, which a lot of times they do. But if it took six, seven hours for a total absorption, then you've got a good level of iodine already stored.
I still do it automatically. I did it this morning. The thing is that both of mine are gone. So I would say I need to do it again. If you're outside and you're in the hot weather, you're going to bleed iodine out. Okay, remember that. Not bleed it out. I said, oh my god, he's cut. It's just that in high temperature, bacteria is developed.
your eye, the mucous membrane, and your eyes, as we pointed out, when you do this surface touch area, if you're short iodine, typically the first thing that happens, your eyes burn. Wait a minute, I applied it on my arm, but my eyes are starting to have a little bit of a tingle. The reason is that the body was short iodine. You use it constantly. It's used to sterilize or to keep clean and minimize infection in any mucous membrane area. So anywhere where you have a
a perforation in your body that normally operates iodine is involved to one degree or another, but especially around the eyes. So the big thing here is just maintain a regular prep. Whatever your body didn't absorb, it simply passes on. Because you're not going to go overboard with regard to, you can't topically really OD.
Now I repeat what I said the other day, there are a lot of BS situations out there, one of the worst thing that they showed, which is why again, Jericho is the best television program to tell you what not to do.
During that program, they had the farmer who would have known better since the farmer does know better. Farmers aren't stupid. Farmers deal with chemistry all the time. So it was an insult to the farmer when they were yapping about the nuclear threat. You know who will be most likely to not have a clue? Is somebody from the city, okay? But farmers use iodine all the time. That's why you find iodine, provodine iodine, in quantity.
at tractor supply, farm and flee, and all these other places. But you do not drink, do not, do not, do not drink alcohol. He had a whole pint of it, and he drank a bunch of it, and he was all sick. Well, yes, you actually can poison yourself that way.
That would be something you don't do okay, and it wouldn't be funny, and it wouldn't be oh you did a little boo-boo It's a waste of material and it's dangerous for you But they put it into this BS television program because it was supposed to be a nuke program and pretty much everything that they offered in that series was designed to for failure on your part
Okay, but good. Yeah, you've got the right idea. Your body's doing a good job of retaining it. You probably have other sources. Don't forget, you got iodine in the salt too. But in the hot weather, I would still add a little patch every day just to be safe. I do because I know that you're gonna be sweating it out. Your iodine is gonna be depleted from your body doing what it's supposed to do. And it's a good thing.
So, very good. Again, thank you for following through. Thank you. I was just wondering how many hours would be a nominal amount, six, eight? I just want today. Yeah, once a day. Okay. Unless you feel... Now, here's the thing. Now, thank you for bringing it up. That is the... Here's the way to look at it. If we knew that we had a nuclear threat environment,
then yeah, I do it more often, why not? Remember, the purpose behind what we're doing here is to load up the different glands, but very specifically the thyroid. Because the healthy iodine stores up in the thyroid. When you flood the thyroid, not drinking. Do not, do not, do not drink. Do not drink. Okay, you know, take a table sit. No, you won't, don't do that.
The natural absorption to the surface is sufficient, but you want to keep introducing it because if we know we've got a nuclear threat, first of all, maybe on the horizon like they already told you something's coming, then you want to immediately dose yourself up, you know, topically using the surface contact system.
And if we knew that there had been weapons detonated, then absolutely, I would say maybe every eight hours, apply a small amount of iodine because what we want to do is keep loading the thyroid up with clean, healthy iodine. One of the things that happens is that the irradiated iodine topically and introduced your inhalation by breathing in fallout.
The body sends the materials to where they are supposed to go, but the materials are harmful. So what we're doing is that even if you get some absorption of bad product, the body won't absorb it. Instead, it will send it through the system and you'll piss it out or sweat it out, and it will evacuate the system. It won't linger. Because what happens is the irradiated iodine
walks into the body into the particular points and the radiation does damage to the gland or to the components of the body where it normally operates. We're preventing that by utilizing the iodine accordingly. That's why when they always tell you about it, get your radiation meds. Well, in reality, what it is is you're taking iodine. Now, even as I said what I said about don't drink the iodine.
Yes, you have potassium iodate tablets. Those are calculated for loading the system within a realistic level without putting your body at risk by overdosing because the liquid iodine would be, of course, needless to say, a percentage, that's just water volume, but the crystal is stable, is transmuted in the water and the fluid that you create when you create the tincter, which is the iodine that you get in the bottles.
And we only need to use so much. We only need a limited amount. And plus, we've got to watch this because we've got to be able to extend the use of what we do have. So we don't want to waste the material. And we come up with a balance on it. But if we were in a threat environment, yeah, every eight hours to be safe. Why? Because your life's worth it.
doing a patch, you know patch system on the arm or on the like inside the elbow or on the soft tissue of the arm up above are the best places. And to be quite honest farther up the arm or you know closer to the torso is a good thing. Reduces the travel time. Nothing will take long no matter where you apply it because your circulatory system does a good job of commuting materials. The big thing is again that we have it on hand.
So potassium-id tablets, we save those back. As I've said before, use a liquid iodine for now, save the tablets for travel. If you have to travel but you have not had a threat situation develop, the tablets are something that you can keep on hand. You're gonna be maybe out in the rain, you're gonna be out in the cold, you're gonna be out in the weather, and the tablets are stabilized. It's an easier way to carry what you might need.
And eventually if everybody keeps throwing nukes, we'll probably use everything we got go ahead Yeah, that ideal throwing nukes. That's probably a real a very real probability now Hey, I was gonna ask you something real quick. This is Southern, Illinois. I sent you Just a regular envelope Legal-sized envelope with some pins size stuff on for the pins gunsmithing size pins
Did you get that been a couple weeks? Yeah, wait, where did you send it to PBN? Yeah PBN. Yeah That's Lee mailed on the 23rd of May I'll have to check with Nancy because I don't recall eight and a half by 11 envelope No, just a just a standard like it was a four by
So by 10, let me check let me check with Nancy maybe a split price was in the file Okay well the reason why I say that is there's a there's a money order in there for $35 and a and a and there was a also a Return address for the books and stuff. Did you go okay? Well? Did you get your books?
No, no, okay. That's all I need to know. Okay. Well, we'll check this for some reason something may be sitting there and we just pick it up or it's Wilford. Thank you for bringing up because all the reason why you know, I'd sent you I'd sent you a listing of gunsmith's pin sizes You know if a guy needs a lousy pin for a rifle or something or a side or something They hell they want four or five dollars for a little pin that you can actually make for 50 cents
If you buy a piece of drill rod, so I've had this list for a long time, so I sent that in there and My wife had sent a money order. It's in Nancy's name for $35 right and then but the money order was also wrapped into just a plain sheet of paper and on there what it was for and Well basically you can a mailing address you could just cut out
You see eight you see 18 so it should have been okay. Let me well now you got me on a job because We've got everything we need to pack up all I got to do is confirm where that is So we'll let you know if something's happened Okay, she should remember okay. No. Thank you. Oh by the way real quick on that. No drill rods Guys never throw a broken drill away for that. Sorry reason yeah
Go ahead, I'm sorry. Okay, well, there's a couple of pins for like SKSs and things that are really oddball. And the thing of it is, there's no actual pin available for it, but there is a drill bit that is available for it. And most of the times, you can always take a broken drill bit, just the back off of it, and always put it in just electric drill.
and just kind of turn it down just a little bit to polish it up to maybe get it to use. But yeah, never throw a drill bit. And one thing, I know you were talking about the iodine and stuff here. You know, of all the things that people need to buy, especially with the way things are going, people, if you get a chance, buy some sugar.
Because you can take iodine a few drops iodine and a half a teaspoon of sugar and you can make sugar dine And you can treat wounds with sugar dine Yeah, and you can treat you know, you can treat shrapnel wounds wounds. You can't treat anything deep But you know like where I live a four pound bag of sugar is like 330 And attend or yeah, 10 pound bag of sugar is like eight dollars and some change So it's almost the same money
But sugar has so much of a value for us. Sugar can be used as a food preservative, not just to make things sweet, but it can also be used with your iodine. And everybody needs to have iodine because you can actually just put iodine on your belly or on your thigh and get it to absorb. The potassium iodate does have a tendency to cause the thyroid.
the swell and once you stop taking that iodine that swelling doesn't go away. You can end up giving yourself a swan, looks like almost like a goiter. It'll be a thyroid will swell. So really if you really don't want to take very many potassium iodate pills at all. You're better off just to take a little bit of iodine and rub it on your belly or on your thigh to actually get a benefit from it. But that sugar
Anything like this, I know people think, well, we don't have any money, we can't do anything. Guys, I wish every militiamen in the country had a 10 pound bag of sugar sitting on the shelf. Because if you don't use it for food, you don't use it for medical supplies, or say ants get into it, there's a third purpose for sugar. And that third purpose is probably going to be as beneficial to us as anything else.
So, well that's what I have Mark and like I said I was just curious if you got that envelope and it's just a regular standard envelope. But I guess I'll just look, because I've been missing some of the shows because my wife's got me doing some chores out here. Well, we'll do as soon as we're done with the program, we'll track down to see if somehow that slips through the crack here, but I don't think so. We'll have to check the mailbox, see if something funky's going on there.
But you guys think that did you send that media mail? No, no, no, I haven't shipped. I don't know if we've shipped it. Oh, okay That's why I'm saying I'm gonna go through what we we already know we shipped I've got a receipt for everything So well I need to do is go through the first confirm or denied because if we didn't send it I'll ship it right away
Okay, well I figured it got mailed out on the 23rd. Yeah, okay. It was mailed out on the envelope was mailed to you on the 23rd of May and it was sent to the PBN, you know PO Box 194 Dexter Michigan address. So I figure you probably got it around the first, the 29th or so.
No, thanks you for the heads up because I'll double check if it's possible that
So I figured that was like I said those pins for buying drill rod. I mean if you went to buy drill rods for say making SPS pins, it's $250 or $200 to keep the drill rod. Mark, thank you very much.
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