teacher that I had. I only, I went through the seventh grade. I went through the seventh grade. I left home when I was 10 years old because I was hungry. I used to do this. I used to do this too. I work in the summer and I go to school in the winter. But I had this one teacher, he was the principal of the Harrison School in Winstan, Indiana. To me, this was the greatest teacher, a real stage of my time anyhow. He had such wisdom. And we were all reciting the Pledge of Allegiance one day. And he walked over this little teacher, Mr. Laswell, what's his name? Mr. Laswell, he says, I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester. And it seems as though it's becoming monotonous to you. If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word? I, me, an individual, a committee of one, pledge, dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity, allegiance, my love and my devotion to the flag, our standard, O glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever she waves, there's respect. Because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts freedom is everybody's job. United. That means that we have all come together. States. Individual communities that have united into 48 great states. 48 individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries yet united to a common purpose. And that's love for country. and to the Republic, Republic, a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people, and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people, for which it stands. One nation, one nation, meaning so blessed by God, indivisible, incapable of being divided. With liberty, which is freedom, the right of power to live one's own life without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation and justice. The principle or qualities of dealing fairly with others for all. Which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine. And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite. the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance under God. Wouldn't it be a pity? If someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too. I dreamed the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three cornered hat and speaking low to me, he said, we fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost. You're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You've I permit to travel and permits to own a gun. permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for what you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and each God-given right. And pray to God, keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as Tyrant trampled each god-given rite, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this... jill's offended sweet good evening ladies and gentlemen this is the evening intelligence report have our party one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters on and behind the lines that occupied territories north east and central ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on www dot liberty tree radio dot for m g dot com and of course roles for a myriad of other communications bases uh... and don't forget all truck net hallmark in golden spike technologies east and west of the mississippi along with a lasa alaska times eight ten p m eastern standard time it is one day to feel of the doctor over his edwards birthday happy birthday edward it is the thirteenth year of open baby and the socialist and soviet socialist occupation of america with a k two thousand twenty one older calendar two thousand twenty one battle for the republic the dance of sorts and we may have craig from forbidden knowledge with us right now let's see if craig there report go any farther correct i am not all right there we go well we have a witness you are a witness to the and of an era as a matter of fact a lot of other friends made the trip but not everybody could make it all the way so craig you were down at knob creek for the last knob creek and you're there for the whole weekend right uh... and some yes i was there very good walk off a lot of people can overview what happened how things go what it looked like down there at the kana creek this last weekend Well, and if I have a problem with my voice that's because you know he talking over machine gunfire all weekend So what my voice will last here the? Very much like any other nod Creek that's ever happened although it was about twice the attendance and that was kind of expected because being the last one plus the fact that the last three were shut down due to the corny virus, so It was expected, but it was just it was amazing a lot of people who came, we'll have found they had to wait in long lines just to even get to the into the grounds. People were parking on streets they never had to park before. It was very congested. The concessions were running out of food left and right. There was just way more people. They weren't limiting attendance. There was no mask mandate or anything like that due to the Coronavirus. So they were letting everybody in. But boy, the customers kind of suffered paid for it dearly by all the waiting they had to do. But other than that, everything was really very much the same as your classic Knob Creek machine gun shoot that they have every twice a year. They always just have. So I didn't really see anything different other than the massive amounts of people. We did have individuals report that they took hours to they actually started out early and it still took a couple of hours to get to the gate Yeah, like you said sounds like they used every every square foot of parking they had available. What's it what this would this weekend? A little bit, I don't get to see that much because I don't know if you're aware, they installed concrete in the building, the main building, they installed concrete about three years ago. So we haven't had to deal with the mud there. As far as parking goes, it had rained the day before and it didn't look kind of wet and I would imagine they were pulling out people left and right, but I don't ever have to witness that where I'm at now, especially with the New Comuncreek. And you were located where? Normally where you've had your table in the past? Did they give you another location? What was going on there? No, in the main building, I think they have room for close to a thousand tables in the main building. The one that they expanded some years ago, I'm sure you'd seen it. There's a series of tents going around the range house and the that the store they have there, but then they built this huge, there's a pole bar and about walls essentially is what it is. And they expanded that some more than a decade ago, I think it was. And they've been having it ever since. That's when the majority of your vendors, that's where all the tables set up and we're under a roof. Not a tent, but a real steel roof, but there's no wall. So if the wind lifts up, we have to watch our little price tags float around in the air. But overall, it was a pretty good weekend. We only had a couple brief stints of rain, it wasn't very long. And I don't think anything, I had not heard of any incidents, any type of incidents involving the police or anything like that. No shootings, nobody got hurt. As far as I know, I didn't hear any stories of anything that happened that would scar the last machine gun shoot at Knob Creek. Now, of course, they did not have a Sunday activity, right? It was Friday, Saturday. Yes, they stopped that a couple of years ago, about maybe two and a half years ago. Again, you got to remember the last three were missed because of the pandemic. But yeah, they stopped Sundays. And I think a lot of vendors probably were okay with that. I didn't really hear a lot of complaints when they did that. So, everybody, some days, it's pretty slow anyway. So, they probably did okay by doing that. I think the whole project is kind of overwhelming to Kenny and everybody involved. It's just a really big project for them to do twice a year. And supposedly, that's half the reason you're just getting old and not wanting to put all the crap anymore. With the press and everything else that goes on when they try to hold these shoots. And I think that might have factored in a little bit to what they... the reason why there's no stopping doing it but i don't know i did not talk to kenny personally we hear a lot of things and we don't know what's true and i did not talk to kenny so i don't have any insight information regarding that i've only got the rumors that go around right i expected well again everybody's assuming you're going to go on forever and everything comes to an end the question is whether or not he's going to sell the franchise off to somebody else which would be kind of the way for it to continue because like you said, takes a lot of work, there's a lot of harassment that goes on with the agencies, departments, even your local buffoons, all of that stuff that you have to deal with, don't forget the insurance on top of everything else. But anyway, again, crowded, lots of people. Now, we had the, they had the last shoot in the evening, I'm sure, was it a little more extravagant? Did they add a little more to it? I mean, after all, are we going to go out, go out with a bang? Well, I, I did not watch it. I'm still stuck at my table. They have two night shoots both days to where it was actually dark where you can see the tracer rounds and the bright lights of the explosions. I can see the explosions and some of the tracers from my table, but I'm not that close to the range. It did not seem to me to be necessarily any different. Each time that happens at night, as soon as that machine gun fire opens up and you kind of look in that direction, you see everything's lit up from the explosions and also the tracer fire. I don't believe it was any more extravagant than the other ones. I think there's only so much they put down range any one time and maybe there's a good reason for that, I don't know. Well again, we were wondering if they were going to bring in the flair or the, well of course, flares. You know, that's kind of a funny thing because you see for a while there we had all the benefit of the end of the Cold War East German equipment that came in. And so a lot of times guys, it was either the East German smoke and flares or it was later on the lifeboat and emergency service equipment that we mentioned many times you get for almost nothing and so throwing you know pop flares up or throwing illumination flares or signaling flares along with different colors of smoke helps to create a dynamic out in front and something you know they're I don't know what they they probably would be doing the surplus emergency service stuff right now Red flares lots of orange lots of the colors go ahead jump in there I don't think I I don't think I've seen flares in many years at Knob Creek at night I I may be mistaken again I'm not right at the range, but I can see I would see the flares if they were and I don't believe I saw them For probably good six seven years to be honest with you. It's been a while since I've seen that Well, maybe they stopped that practice well again cause I The colored smoke wouldn't make any sense in a night shoot anyway necessarily. Oh, it lights up enough. The thing is that the thing is that it's not available like it was before, especially in the light mode emergency. It's going to be orange, red, you know, that kind of stuff. But the fact that the mayor may not be using it could be a combination of things. One of the things they were trying to piss them all about was fire risk, you know, of course. but it's always damp pretty much in both of the cycle and seasons so they may have backed off on it because of a cost and real how many can you afford or how many want to spend money on the can afford it if you're making good money but how much do you want to spend and before used to be a case of uh... uh... east german players used to be like forty five dollars for eighty-some players and so they made it you know fifty cents a pool which means you get afford to have a guy going pop pop, and every once in a while pop and throw a flare up or a parachute flare, pop, but when it gets back up to $8, $10, $12 a unit or more, then that's a little more expensive when you pull the cord or hit the button to launch the device, or pull the gun, if it's for something like that. But otherwise, how did you do? Okay, I heard another voice. Go ahead. Yeah, you got Ed here. I wanted to bring this up because you kind of brought it up a little bit. It's not only an end of an era, but when you think about it, I brought this up on Friday's town hall meeting before we changed subjects. It's going to be a sleepy valley again. You know, they'll still have the range there, but this bi-annual event that brings in such a large influx of money to that local economy is going away. With as much of they have harassed them over, you know, doing the machine gun shoot there, the officials and whatnot. the local economy is going to suffer with this show shut down because this was a this was a dual annual event that brought in massive numbers of business. Craig you talked about it yourself before you even get to Knob Creek you see stuff set up on the way to it because people couldn't get booths in Knob Creek because of the waiting list so they rent lots and set everything up. Think of the blow to the economy that this is going to be for that area it's just sad. Well another well Go ahead, Greg. We discussed some of this amongst ourselves, other vendors, and again, I don't have any direct conversation with Kenny about this, so this is just talk among other vendors. First of all, most of us vendors don't believe it was just us getting old, the reason why they shut down. Most of us don't believe that. Most of us believe, because about, I'd say five, six years ago, They were telling all that well the rumor was all the vendors were going to have to get their own insurance in order to do the show and all the vendors basically said no and what we what most of us believe is the true reason for the shutdown is Not just because we're getting older is because probably the insurance rates just became so outrageous and so hard to deal with that that might have been the key reason or it might have been a contributing reason again I don't have direct you know information from Kenny on this or anybody else officially But it seems very logical, and this is happening all over the country. I talked to other guns from our promoters and their rates are going off the roof. It seems to be a new liberal way to shut down the gun shows where maybe a government can't do it. where they use private companies to do the dirty work like jacking up insurance premiums or shutdown APMs during the show because they find out it's a gun show, things like that. We see this happening all around the country. And it's a shame that they're stopping, but there are other machine gun shoots I must bring up. I can't vouch for the other ones exactly where they are or how big they are, but there are other ones around the country. So it's not like this is completely dead. Also, the venue itself, this is something to think about. I kept questioning when I'm seeing this huge building that they have there. I don't know how many thousands of square feet it is, but it's huge. Enough for about a thousand tables. When they built the building, their property taxes went way up. When they poured the concrete, I'm sure their property taxes also went up. Now they have this huge building that's going to be empty, at least in the initial stages. And that seems like a huge waste. What are you going to use it for? Are you going to use it for storage? And it was such an event to the local economy for the last 50 years. Now here's some ideas that people threw around. Well, they could have flea markets in there. They could have weddings and ballroom dances or whatever. They could have things like that. But that doesn't really make a lot of sense at a gun range, necessarily. Here's the other thing about the whole site. Now, and Mark mentioned this right from the start, and I'm hopeful, I don't know this again, I don't have insider information, the gun show and the machine gun shoot was such a, to be quite frank about it, it's like one of the best gun shows in the country up until the other day. There are a lot of other gun show reporters that would probably love to jump in there and try to make that thing work for them. So it's possible, and I'm not saying it's going to happen, it's possible maybe it will continue under a different management, so to speak. Somebody else who buys it out. It already has the reputation there. It's already got the location. If they did it the same basic way, the customer might not even hardly notice it other than the fact that they, now they think that was the last one and now they got those. So it would have to be some promoting. to prove people know. It's not the last one, we got it under new management, we got it going here. Now Kenny apparently, as somebody I talked to that did talk to Kenny directly, said that if that was ever done, they had no interest in doing that, but if it was ever done, they wouldn't include the range as part of the show, is what he supposedly told the individual I was talking. Again, I did not speak to Kenny directly, so this is all secondhand knowledge, so this may not be all that accurate. But it doesn't appear that he has any intention of selling the show, but there may be that possibility. And frankly, he's going to have to pay taxes on that huge building, which makes it empty now. And I would think that he might even consider that, because that could be a lot of money for him just to be sitting back and to rent his building out. You also have to remember they have massive amounts. There's probably, I don't know, 50 security guards that they hire for this event. There's the trash pickup and the porta-potties. And on and on, the concessions, there's just so much involved. It is a big task to pull something off like this. And so there's a lot of work with that. And any other promoter would have to pick all that up, of course. And Kenny could just sit back and relax a little bit and just operate the range and still make money by renting space off the range during the show, I would think, during the gun show. conducted the same way. But also the junk cars they put out there and the propane tanks and the resetting, there's just a lot of work involved. At that time they had two Hueys flying overhead instead of one Ulysse's one. There were three tanks there this year doing demonstrations on the range. I don't know the model. There were a little more, they weren't Sherman's but they looked similar to Sherman. They were a little bit smaller. I don't know the number, I'm sorry. They had the stewards there before. That's something they had a while back years ago and I was wondering, like I said, bringing everybody back in for one last gasp would be kind of neat. Even if it was just a couple of flamethrowers, everybody remembers, man, you used to be able to run a flamethrower there. I haven't seen the flamethrowers there in all the time that I've been doing it the last 10 years or so. I see the flamethrowers come to the Finlay Show in Finlay, Ohio, the military vehicle show and do demonstrations. I've got a YouTube video of it on my YouTube channel, but I have not seen the flamethrowers there in about 10 years. Not even any of the Elon Musk flamethrowers that they got, those cheap ones? No, seriously, he makes a brand of flamethrower. I know, I know, I'm just thinking, well, you see, the thing is, it became, like everything else, just like we were saying, guys, surplus runs in the cycles. And for a short time, well, not for a short time, for quite a while, we ran off the Cold War inventory, and flamethrowers were no different. American flamethrowers are very part-specific. and they have a couple of features that the Russians completely ignored, they didn't even go near. They have a system specific carousel for their matches, you know, that lights each blast. Well those used to be pennies, I used to be able to buy them at a gun show here at 8 Mile Armory for a dollar a box which had three carousels in it that were by like cylinders for a revolver, only a little tiny, they were the insert like speed loaders. and you would insert that and then what if you look on the front of most the images of flamethrower every time you pull the trigger that indexes over and that match activates the ball stuff well eventually you run out of those so they had to come up with you know alternate but safe the mission system which are out there but it means retrofitting and some of the stuff you don't want to do that because it's collectible uh... so you want to be here that you can pick up and do that with And I was, that's what I was saying, if somebody were to come back, it would just be because, wait, remember, you know, how many decades of, you know, Knob Creek machine gun shoot? In all those years, you saw the tanks, the artillery, you got to see flamethrowers, you could rent a flamethrower. They would let you shoot a flamethrower there, guys, just like you would a gun. And it was the norm. It wasn't like, oh, this is totally alien. It was like, no, how many people standing in line to fire, you know, would use a flamethrower? uh... but what's interesting is again like on the economy uh... people would would register and find out for all the hotels and fill the hotels up for as far as you could drive and that just got hit with this it was guaranteed like you said great to to weekends out of the year people would be renting out rooms in advance people would get together and like maybe five six seven ten people would rent a room but that's because you really didn't have enough of the world enough bed space to go around anyway and then you still have other events to the point where the events yet uh... uh... noxville would affect you, but we would also affect, you know, the Knob Creek machine gun shoot would affect what was available to anybody that was in business there. Because everything along that conduit headed towards Knob Creek was rented out. Fort Knox, not Knoxville, who you're thinking? Well, Fort Knox is right. Yeah, Fort Knox is right. They're on the south side of, or forgive me, north side of Fort Knox. You said Knoxville, that's all. I probably should have meant Louisville. Yeah, well, no, I don't know if we can do more of those. Originally, yeah, I know of, well, we see Knob Creek originally was the naval gunnery test site for adapted naval guns that were being put on tanks during World War II. The three-inch gun was a leftover preponderance gun that they dumped on tank destroyers, even on Sherman's, and a lot of other motor carriages, and right there is where they tested them. for them because and again uh... fort Knox with the armor a or headquarters of the research show program there at Aberdeen and sold that range right there has a real deep deep deep history on top everything else it's changed i mean when they were they were doing a gun show back in world war two well they were doing the big gun show but it was all over the world And then again, it got sold off, but it when originally got sold off, like you can imagine, it was just because wow, it's an impact area, nice for a gun range. And then it developed into, you know, eventually Kenny made it. So I think the fascinating thing about this is again, everybody when they realize, oh wow, they're not going to be there again, all of a sudden everybody swarms in. Here's something else I noticed since Ed's on the line also, because we spoke about this on my show, about the shortage of ammunition. And I did not witness it, I did not hear a shortage of ammunition, it's all the same to me. However, I believe, based on my past experience with it, I heard a lot less 50 BMG going off. It sure seemed to me like there was less of the bigger guns. I still often heard some 20 millimeters, but 50 BMG seemed to be a little lacking this time. It's still there, and the minigun was still going off, so I don't believe there was a shortage problem here at Knob Creek this time. Well, there's a shortage nationwide, but you know that literally is some of the... They have a contract with some of the ammunition manufacturers for a set amount of ammunition for the show. It's literally... When you consider how much ammo they fire their data, that's in the million dollar range. Oh yeah, the amount of money involved... The whole upper floor of the main building is the depot for everything that they're going to be using when they got. to the sixth mark and they even had off-site storage for additional ammunition so the actual volume because it because they don't just shoot uh... you'll just have the demonstration shoots but there is firing going on at different points there are some of the events constantly taking place and of course they were at guns out the whole time and part of that is owned by the range and part of that are private contractors or you know again ffls they have uh... class three licenses and they bring the guns and they have a certain number of demo guns and they're making money off of so that but every time you pull the trigger at the ring come on guys twenty rounds thirty rounds thirty two rounds or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or up or Well, is there more to that? No, no, that was a couple dollars area, more than a couple dollars. That's okay, go ahead, you can do it again if you want to spend some more money. And the minigun, a couple thousand each time you pull that trigger. That's right. So that's one of the things that everybody doesn't relate to is it's like you're building up your pile of goodies, which is what you would do all through the year, so they would take advantage of different deals. Also, which means you have more stuff piled up and maybe even some leftover for the next time around. But it is quite an affair, step by step, to get everything coordinated. It's always when you're doing an event, it's a dance. And it's one of those things where it's kind of nice when you have somebody who's orchestrated it enough that it's pretty much second nature and you just go down the shopping list and, you know, Bob, do this, Fred, do that, you know, Mark does this. But it's... They underestimated a few things. They underestimated a few things, like I say, the food, the traffic, the backups. They underestimated a few things. I don't know why they would have us. It seemed like it was treated as a regular show where they probably weren't prepared for that. But I would have thought there was going to be twice the people before I even went. And there was, at least. I don't know. I don't know the attendance numbers. People talk themselves into that. OK, the idea is that things have been, you know, well, it's just like the thing with the coronavirus virus scam. uh... you know doom gloom and dying okay when in reality most all the thinking people are tired of the bullshit across the board where before it got started now all when all the sudden you have a you know a venue that's you know memorable in this case there's a lot of history with a lot of people uh... over the whole of the country i mean even in fact from even outside the country i'd be would be curious it how many people will let's go back to america one more time because knob creek and this is it were member when we went back at ninety four or we went back in ninety nine because you see a lot of a lot of foreign uh... national just like when they go to the code nevada okay guys when you go to the better they've got all these machine gun rangers if you watch any of the video work done you've got the japanese that come in because they can't own a gun where they are they can shoot airsoft and they're damn good at it and it's not hard to go from airsoft if you've got a maru-class pistol to firing the real thing and they're actually quite adept so the knob creek uh... machine gun shoot is alike uh... you know twice a year mecca thing for a lot of other people not just us There's a lot of people that was like the symbol of, you know, these are the symbols of our country. And it's the difference between us in Australia and it's the difference between us even in Canada and the difference certainly between us and the Porsche, mucks in Europe now. So you want to hear something else that's really interesting. About a month ago, I did a show called DragonCon, which is a science fiction show, and they had a mask mandate and virtually everybody was wearing a mask. There was no, nobody was cheating really hardly anything, but Now, Creek, night and day, there was literally, I think, a whole weekend I saw maybe four or five people the entire weekend wearing a mask. That was interesting. Yeah. See the difference. Totally different group of people. Well, you know, and again, the really cool thing about it is, is that remember, those are the people that are going to make a difference. Everybody you saw there got an attitude, and the attitude is boiling right now. So... that's what needs to be happening i i i would say this though and i get out of we had no it neither one of the talk but one of these remember the feds are coming out pressuring everybody the pretty again you're not supposed to tell anybody cause the patriot who could tell what we talk to you and although some people have but if the idea that uh... this is one of those things that they wanted you know get out of people's minds and because everybody is arming up the amount of weapons and munitions that have gone out like we said if you figure that if you just go by the approvals for gun purchases don't worry about whether or not the person bought one two or three because they probably did buy more than one okay might about more than two but if they all just bought one and they all bought with if you have uh... twenty one million well let's just say each month two three million people uh... or two three million purchases and everybody just bought one round that two three million rounds but nobody buys just one round so do the math on how much ammunition is actually floating around out there and in fact as is big knowledge by almost everybody people still walk out of places with two-wheeled always the differences is that lightens their bank account a lot more to do it but they're willing to That's one of the things, one of the guys at one of the other gun shops acknowledged, he goes, hey, I do volume, I've just talked in casually about something else we needed to know about. Well, hell yeah, I do pallets and I do four, six, eight cases at a time for individual customers, and it's going out the door as quick as it gets here. As soon as they know it's here, the truck's waiting for the stuff to show. We don't get it on the back of the building or on the loading dock. so there that's another factor here that the bad guys don't like the idea that everybody's you know into going oh my god we're doing this like while look at this we have all of these don't we have we have that a whole lot more and if you're going out Something else that I noticed and also to make the comparison with DragonCon, DragonCon and Science Fiction again, a completely different kind of crowd. It's a whole different thing. It's not very unpolitical also compared to not Great, but anyway, about maybe 70 to 80% of people use credit cards at the DragonCon, at the Science Fiction shows. However, not Great, first of all, Nobody's phone was really working. So nobody could get online to take credit cards. I think I only had three requests the entire weekend of people trying to pay with cards and I'd explain, no, I don't think anybody can take cards because we just don't have signals to get out. There were too many people out in rural area like that and so few cell towers that just overwhelmed the towers where virtually no one could get through on their phones or use them to do credit card transactions. So nobody had, everybody had cash though. Frankly, and there was a time on Friday where I heard reports that the ATM machines were all either empty or down, not working, whatever, and there's still money flowing. So the gun show, people come prepared for something like that. Sometimes ATM machines even get shut down by certain companies who, when they find out it's a gun show. I've seen that all over the country. But that people, they're whipping out $100 bills, left and right, so that the money was flowing even though nobody could take a credit card and the ATM machines were apparently not in service at times anyway. Well, you know, it's the old story. People, you know, what's your life worth? Most everybody right now is taking the attitude with what they're seeing, writing on the wall, that they might have poo-pooed it before, but they can't argue it now. And so anybody who's got to dot the I across the T, fill in the rest of the list, that's what that's what happening they're going down and finishing the job it's costing more not everything but you know it's costing more has cost more and it's still there's no but there's been no hesitation and i think that's another thing that's bothering you decide but they don't think about this that she's a fair attitude is because what this other try to kill us uh... and this money will be worthless the digits will be useless one eight when they've created an attitude where a lot of people like them living keeps going away it is my retirement egg that'll be here and this this money is going to roll up on my wallet like dust i better put it into something and if i'm going to put it into something it might be something else save my life so i think i will get more ammunition i'm gonna buy another weapon i'm gonna buy a whole bunch of the weapons and that's that happened across the board another interesting thing craig you're here i'll tell you what sticks they will permit i want to play something here guys this is something i just caught from all of fact uh... all come on who was it forgive me i'm sorry it was uh... and tria sent me this i'm not gonna play the whole thing but listen to what happened in chicago this last weekend while you're at knott creek by the way craig The murder is now legal in Chicago as long as both individuals have PVP enabled. Chicago gang members released without charges after deadly shootout in part because they were mutual combatants who willingly fought each other. Chicago gang members involved in a deadly shooting on Friday were released from custody without charges, one of them being a first degree murder, in part because the five arrestees were mutual combatants and willingly fought with each other, the Chicago Sun-Times reported. The paper citing an internal police report and law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said the brazen mid-morning gunfight in the Austin neighborhood involved rival factions of the four corner hustlers street gang. The gun battle ended with one of the shooters dead and two suspects wounded. The Sun-Times said it was just like the wild west. The source told the paper no charges against mutual combatants. The Sun-Times cited with murder and aggravated battery, but by Sunday morning, a Chicago police spokeswoman said the suspects had been released without charges. And now to a certain extent, I get that. You know what I mean? So let's say you're an MMA fighter and you get in the ring and something really bad happens. You know, one man, God forbid, loses his life or gets gravely injured. You signed a waiver, it was a sport, mutual combat, you can't then charge the guy who did the damage as a criminal. That makes sense within that given context. However, How does it make sense with street hooligans, rival gang members, endangering an entire community, openly shooting like it's the wild wild west against each other, one of them losing their lives, and none of them get charged because it's just mutual combat. Especially if you think about the context, how many kids get caught in the line of fire in Chicago and lose their lives for absolutely nothing for being at the wrong place wrong time how many times have we covered on this youtube channel alone six seven six months three-year-old babies toddlers kids losing their lives getting caught in the crossfire in chicago gang violence okay i think you get the picture hey dude your mutual combatant is cruel now think about that okay How do you think that float if we had to defend yourself in your home the cops will try everything in their power the Prostitutors will try everything in their power to castrate lobotomize you and take you to play dad to add to that down here the school shooter in Dallas who shot four people one of them's in a coma the other the other three are recovering that kid had a welcome home party He's out Okay, and and how does this make sense again? Did he, was he defending something or did he go in and shoot somebody? He went in and hurt somebody, right? Well, supposedly one of them was a bully, but he shot the teacher too. Oh, the teacher got in the way. Well, I probably shoot the teacher too, but that'd be out of policy. If this type of thing is becoming the mainstream, why don't we go back to the olden days where Fellow politicians would have duels. That's what we need to do. Right. That's what I'm hoping. You've got the right... Oh, no, no, no, no, Craig. We can't do that. That would be dangerous for the politicians and the bureaucrats. But, you know, as far as the... Okay, we're going full circle in Chicago. And that's what really gets me about this, okay? They be telling you all about how Chicago, there was so much more civilized, all the rest of us peasants and heathens out there. But now all of a sudden, if you're out there, you're wailing away at each other, you're on the street. It's a mutual combatant scenario. And the prostitute's office basically said, oh, no, no, no, no, we can't cause any problems here now. Now here's something that nobody thinks about. The reason that they decided to do this is because the three on one side that were shooting the two on the other side, or well actually it was probably six because one's dead, so there were three and three. The three on one side were the Fed Stooges who are paid informants, and the three that were on the other side were state or local police informants and they both went at each other and if they go into court, they're going to have to acknowledge that the whole thing was orchestrated by nothing but government employees who were coaching or urging the confrontation on from one side and or both. Wouldn't that be cool? And you know what's funny? It's most likely, just as likely the case as any other. Just think about that one because otherwise I mean it's obvious and again the cops are so used to this But this is a comp. This is a complete and total Contrary scenario if you're in your house and six people who jumped your house And you nailed one dead and wounded two others I guarantee that they would do everything in their power to castrate and lobotomize you and you would be locked up and they'd be telling you how outrageous your actions were and endangerment of the community and blah blah blah and by the time you're done of course there'd be no bond no bail or the bail would be so astronomical that they figured they're gonna get your house because after all you're a taxpayer but six turds on the street wailing at each other oh not even gonna charge him. Hey Mark. Go ahead, Colin. Jump in there. Yeah, I like your scenario. I think, uh, didn't I hear that broadcaster say PVP? What is that? Pig versus pig? Sounds like it to me. Yeah. It's supposed to be a video game reference. PVP is part of the story. I know what you mean though, yeah. Yeah, but I think what he was referring to was that just what Mark said is that it was one pig. outfit versus another pig outfit. Yeah, I think that, you know, it's bizarre that this would happen, but remember when you have nothing but secret police operations operating against secret police operations and having a handful of meat puppets to do it with, then especially when all sides involved were in reality on the payroll, doesn't look too good. Yeah, I got a buddy, Mark, I got a buddy that's a retired Pontiac cop. And he's a black guy. He lives in Tennessee now. And he's told me some stories. And one of them is that he knows, he knows for a fact that the cops would deliver many fourteens into the slums in the gang area, right into the alley, just dump them off in the middle of the night. And they'd just walk up on them and find pallets of many fourteen these gang members and they were fully funded by the frickin pigs so ideal all that that are being marketed i mean i mean i just been dropped off for free you know a there's there my favorite i cry i don't remember we covered this before but uh... guys they had the two bat faggots that were uh... they were in most of the bat faggot are in the upper floors they put all the population the peasants you know the other department as organic sandbags in the fbi and the bat faggot are on the upper floors always in every federal building go look anyway what's interesting is the property rooms they have some up above and they have some down below and so apparently they had some big gun collector they've stolen all his stuff from as is typically the case illegitimate but it doesn't make any difference they all had their eyes on certain things in this one bat faggot got out an elevator with an arm full of guns or they they're from the property room what were they they were the cherry pick things he wanted from the stuff they'd stolen that they probably would have to give back but would claim later they didn't know where they went well another bat faggot got out the elevator looked at the guns and said those are the ones i wanted And so, in a classic movie environment, as the doors shut, they got into a fight over the guns that the one Batfaggot was stealing, and they ended up in an elevator gunfight going down until they killed each other. By the time they hit the basement floor where the parking lot was, they were both dead, bullet holes through all of the different cab parts of the box, and the guns laying on the floor at everybody's feet. Now that's my favorite kind of shootout because it was most deserving for both of the turds But it's an example of the criminal mindset of the filth and excrement that we have in our government And it's the norm. It's not the exception. It's the norm It's like guys stuff disappearing from property rooms. Well, wait a minute. Who's who would have access to the property rooms? Well the guy running the property room and then the cops and the prostitutes so somebody walked into the property room and property disappears who would be the people that would take it wall the cops are the prostitutes and the prostitutes are making more money for that to read only cherry pick they might take cash they will take gold or silver maybe whatever else they run into but uh... the guns are for the present rank and file alphabet soup types who then turn around and throw them out of the street or take them down to mexico right well-known about fast and furious So, it makes sense to me. Well, Craig, I'll tell you what, you said you spent a little more time there. Did you get there early? I mean, I assume you did. You got there a little early. Well, I set up first. I go Thursday, or as soon as I get into the gate, and we even had to wait in line. The vendors had to wait in line to get in the gate for whatever reason. And anyway, yeah, they're all day Thursday setting up, and then come back Sunday, because we get done at 9 p.m. And it takes me longer than a few hours to tear down, so I was back. on Sunday tearing down. So I was there a good day longer than everybody else total. We caught what you just did and we're going to copy. Okay, go ahead Greg. I'm sorry. I didn't hear what the caller said or what happened. No, I don't want to hear about it. It's okay. Here's an interesting story too. I mean, I had bought, Knopkrieg is very competitive among vendors for the common things, and I had bought 66 cases of MREs to bring with me to the show. I was leery about it because frankly I don't have sources in direct contact with where the MREs are. I get them through a secondary source. So my prices tend to be a little higher just trying to make a little money. And so I was worried about it of not being able to sell all these MREs that I have. Plus the fact I'm not hardly doing any shows right now. But what happened was because of the food shortage at the though and the long lines, I actually sold every single MRE I had. More than, I think it was about 700 MREs in those cases. And quite a lot of them, I think about 20 of those cases I opened up and I was selling individually for people who just didn't want to stand in line for an hour or two. They could stand in line at my table for one minute or they could stand in line for an hour at the concessions to try to get a sandwich that might not even be there by the time they get up in front of the line. So I sold that people were using MREs as food substitutes, if you will, instead of buying the concession food. Now for a while I thought, oh boy, I wonder if they're going to shut me down because of this, but they were just so overwhelmed and so short of food. They went through two days of food, I understand, the first day, and then they had to run around the spam clubs and Walmart's in the area to try to buy more supplies for the next day, and they were just so overwhelmed the lines were very long. So actually, and frankly, the price of, and if it hadn't been for that, I would have lost, I would have got stuck with most of them because other people had much cheaper than me. The 2018 cases were going for about 40, let's see, from 45, $40? $40, $40 a case, which is remarkably low. And then somebody, another vendor had a pallet of some of the newest ones with a pizza going for $55 a case. Now someone with $30. Again, I didn't hear. I didn't hear. You're doing fine. Don't worry about it. That's okay. Keep doing great. Do I get polls on your channel too? I don't know what that was. Anyway, I sold everything because what happened was so many people wanted the food. The other guys sold out. They sold out their palates and I still had my palates by the time. I still could have sold a good 20 cases more if I would have had more. So I'm grateful that I didn't spend all that money in vain because otherwise it was a non-altic show. I do not compete very well with that kind of stuff because again I don't get them direct from the base. Other people get them sometimes. I don't have those contacts directly into the base like a lot of people do. Well, I'm not involved. How much did you pretty well sell out or take anything home? I sold everything on the MREs that I bought. Excellent. Well then, that made the deal. I have none for the show this weekend now. Well, interestingly enough now that the, like you said, we'll have to keep an eye on the situation there. We'll see if we have a development. Maybe somebody else picks this up. And if they do, well, they'll be starting from scratch. Maybe we'll be the first one through the door if I can get done right. Oh, they won't be starting from scratch. That's the thing, they won't be starting from scratch. Already has the reputation, already has the site, already has the client base. If they hear that it's back, they already have the clients, they would want to come. And so, it's not really starting from scratch. And everything is known. We know the attendance. We know how many porta-potties we need. All this stuff has already been established over 50 years of experience from Kenny and family. Right. I would think that, again, if he does decide to be a marketing package, it would be to find, hey, by the way, here's a portfolio to teach you how to walk through the whole thing. which would be kind of cool. Again, we'll see how this works because they still have the range and they are still using the range down there during the week as they normally have. Remember, they also, when they have the Knob Creek machine gun shoot, you usually have the secondary ranges in use for the military rifle competition. All that was going, wasn't it? Yes. So they still had the classic bolt-action military rifle, it has to be a military gun. And then they used to have a submachine gun match too, which I assume that's been up and running. In fact, it even allows some people to rent guns to shoot for the match if you didn't have an SMG. So there's another thing that was part of the marketing play that made good turnaround. And that's all gone. again it's uh... it history and you were there for the end so we've we've been there for a long long long time everybody's had a chance to go at different times uh... i know people even as we're talking there are people who have memories being there uh... the you look up remember that it was the knob creek machine gun shoot that the bob creek uh... uh... declaration where it came from because was just down the road off the main entrance at the uh... vfw hall where everybody met when the uh... freemen standoff as it was called was taking place and the knob creek declaration was formed there over the weekend while the uh... event was going on everybody collected their uh... we had representatives from hundreds of different militias around the country uh... everybody selected representatives from their states that were were there others were doing uh... digital slash uh... electronic communications and and it but the end of one day they came up with the declaration everybody signed it we all delivered it to the fed the fed stopped we dead in their tracks and the whole thing is history so that's another little sidebar of what comes out of or what came out of the uh... knob creek machine gun shoot it's a place to meet up a lot of people of course uh... at different times uh... had different activities in the peripheral areas uh... different national meetups of the militia etc colonial marine militia that up uh... has met up more than molly doing that until now so i would assume that uh... the national meet which is usually do east i can say that now it's uh... do we have by about old twenty minute drive uh... that that will now be changed probably but on the other hand mitts kind of historically benchmark for the cmm So a lot of other people will not necessarily fully change your schedules, but others, well, it's life changing. And it will take a bite out of the economy. It's millions of, there's millions of dollars that moved, you know, moved around the area because of the Knob Creek machine gun shoot. Any event that's established like that with that kind of volume of people, gasoline sales, food sales, restaurants, you know, of all types, because if there's a corridor, when you go east or west, there's all kinds of east place and everybody filled them up. You knew when there was not a chute going on on the range because everybody would run out, go, go, let's go out and we'll come back. And if everybody would run out, then they'd come back, takes time to get back in just even with the regular machine gun chute because you had a lot of people coming and going. But with this one, if you got in there, you better have stayed. So, just that simple. There wasn't any leaving because you probably couldn't get back in. But, any closing comments? Because we're right at the top, Greg. Well, one thing I thought about too over the weekend that would be very good thing for Kenny if he ever decided to say he saw the property. You know, we no longer smelt or produce lead in this country anymore, mine it. But I think he's got a lead mine right there and it's only about a 50. Yep, oh yeah, I don't know that he's ever, I don't know if they have done an excavation of the site, you know, in the past. I know that they contoured the ground up above and part of that had to do with fire breaking and stuff. But yeah, there's decades and decades worth of high quality lead, tin, antimony and copper jacket along with steel jacket laying down range. That way and that might have been another another way they could have shut down the show is probably declared it a Okay Mark.