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Good afternoon to all of our friends out there at Lower 49 including the great state of Jefferson along with Kona, Seattle Light, Two States, Territories, and the Clock. It is 5.07 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. It is Weapons Wednesday. Ah, the days are flying. And let's see, four, five, six, seven would make this, yeah, the 7th of July already. This is the first full week of July will pass this evening once we are done. And that's seven days more of Hillary Clinton without being arrested and of course, not probably at K-time now. Yeah, hold your breath for either one and you're dead. Okay? Anyway, it is the 13th year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K 2021 old earth calendar 2021 battle for the Republic but dense of swords and It has been a fascinating roller coaster weather day. Just like yesterday, we have stormy clouds warning of impending doom, destruction and disaster, slash a weather front on the way. And interestingly enough, we even had rumbles yesterday with lightning all not far over the house. And then nothing, no rain. Now, I wouldn't mind if it rains right now. I've got a whole bunch of really super healthy gigantus tomato plants that I just transferred from the greenhouse and other places and I got them in the ground and I want them to get rained up. That ionization process is priceless when it comes to pushing the plants. We've got some sweet corn down the road and it's kind of funny because It was planted in waves. They got so much done, and it waited a day, and so much done, and it was the next day, and so much done. And what's funny is to watch it grow and tassel just a day or two behind, but it's enough that it's like a wave where one block at a time, one full length, a rectangle at a time, finally tasseled out. And it really did have that wave effect. Forgive me the latest, not having anything with straight leaves. And that, of course, is all in mega production. Perfect cold, perfect warm, perfect moisture, damp air, which is what we get in Michigan most of the time anyway. But right now we're getting classic Michigan weather across the board. So that's how you need to be looking at it if you're in Michigan. Whoa, what's this doing? It's called Michigan. Okay. It's wet. Hey Mark. What's it gonna be next week? Wet. What's gonna be next month? Wet. Okay, anyway, call or jump in there. What do we have? Hey, it's Bill from Tennessee. Can you hear me? The other wet place. The wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet, the wet of a brand called the Norrain. Are you familiar with that? Norrain, N-O-R? I'd have to look it up. There's quite a few new companies. Well, not even that new, but they're competition only originally. And there's nothing wrong with the guns. Remember when Servu and all the rest of the crew started really cranking out 50 calibers separate from the Barrett family. They all had their own ideas, although still basically worked off each other's. There's not much you can really do to change like a Mauser action. And 50 caliber, they're pretty much the same way. It's a matter of, again, certain features, for instance, how sophisticated is it? I mean, I don't have a problem with any of them, but one's faster than the other. Some of these are screw bolt time, some are bolt action. magazine, but of course in addition to that. Go ahead. The one he's looking at is a single shot. It's a bolt action. You actually pull the bolt completely out of the action. Right. And you put the, you see the round onto a, like a little half moon cup. You know, I don't know what that thing's called, but And then you lift the bolt face. That's what that is. That's the ball. That's okay. You just put the whole bowl with the round in it. Uh, I know some of them like you unscrew. This is not, it looks like a regular bolt action, but the bolt comes out. You put your round on the end, the bolt face, then put it back in. It's a single shot. Uh, he said it was just, uh, he was, I think these barracks, even the bolt action barracks, those things have just gotten so cost prohibitive for working class people. Uh, Right, Serbu does one similar. Both of them are actually the least expensive and very serviceable. Of course, Serbu had a rifle that had problems the other day, but there was no doubt it was ammunition. And I kind of said that from the get-go because Serbu actually knows what he's doing and he doesn't fiddle part with anything that he wouldn't shoot himself. and hasn't probably shot a lot because that's the one thing he does. He's a shooter and it was like, wow, by the way, I got a little skill, why don't I make something? And the rest of the history, as they say. Yeah, I say Barrett. Barrett wasn't into metal, he was into wood. Everybody should remember that. The guy that everybody buys fifties from says it's the best fifties on the planet. Well, originally he was from the carpentry app. In fact, all of his prints had to be reinterpreted. That's something Don used to talk about all the time, but we knew the history of it. And it's just a matter of, you know, if the system is comfortable for the shooter, that's the other thing, we've had a chance to handle it. Really the individual breech load type systems, there's nothing wrong with them. Like I said, it's just a matter of speed. You're going to be opening the bolt, retracting it. I don't think it probably has an ejection system. It probably is a dump and, you know, twist. dump the empty brass, reintroduce the new, line it up with the barrel and the frame and lock the bolt again. So in that way it's like a, it's a Mahdi type action. That's the Mahdi Griffin basic action that's out there. And it's been out there, you know, again, now that design, the guy who designed them, he knew what he was doing. I mean, all of them do, but he knew what he was doing because he was into gun manufacturing. And the basic design, like I said, there's really not much to it. And they're a lot more simple. I mean, they're very unsophisticated and a lot simpler than everybody expected. Eventually, we're going to be sure. That's the best stuff to break when it's that simple. You don't have as many moving parts. You know less stuff to break. Do you think something like that he and I were talking is that something more? That you would consider you know the process of you know firing the weapon pulling the boat out reloading You know and all that is a single shot. It's almost like a crew It almost feel like a crew service weapon almost wasn't it well It would be good to have a team like I said it when you're using 50s We take the 50 and put it in a place like say a Browning gun in a squat or like a weapon section and then you assign it down. If your unit had them, obviously just use them. But you do want somebody to be like an assistant gunner spotter with any of the 50s you've got, but also to help with, for instance, ammunition handling. Because you can already have a round ready to go. You drop it, dump it. All the shooter should be focusing on is operating a weapon. Turn the bolt back, drop it back. The assistant could even be just kind of like a loader on a gun in that you pop the brass, reintroduce the new one, and let the shooter do his job. And then he reintroduces the bolt and focuses on the target. The only thing is, again, what I've recommended many times with these single-shot guns is what we've talked about with classic unconventional or compare conventional operations. You want to shoot move. With a bolt 50 you fire once since you're already restricted you can't really use. You can move relatively fast but it's not like you're a semi-auto or full-auto gun so you know think about it as a shoot from one position, change the location immediately, back slide back away from where you shot while you're moving to the next location you can be dumping the round. You reintroduce the round and by the time you move to your next chosen position which was already planned in advance whenever possible, when you slide up you're ready to fight. And one shot and that way there's no place to find repeatedly to identify by multiple reports from the same location. That isn't going to happen. So there's a number of tricks. It's a great as a placement shooter slash everybody calls them snipers, but marksman rifles. They're perfect because again, the 50 has a big signature. That's the only you remember when you pull the trigger. I think everybody figures out what you got real quick. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, what the hell? It's more of an anti-material top. Or, yeah, or a position. Remember the advantages you can kind of punch through things. I'm going to point out that years ago, in fact, remember I've said this, read the actual accounts of Guadalcanal. Don't watch movies. They always have to fit two hours. And so 90% of the really interesting stuff for somebody who wants to know what's going on gets thrown out the window. They leave the drama, the angsting, and lots of intense excitement with gunfire. But a lot of the work wasn't as in your face. When we went into the beginning of World War II, we had the boys 55 caliber bolt-action magazine fed rifle. It came from Canada and Brits. It was, again, 55. Interestingly enough, it had bandoliers, stripper clips like you have for the Springfield, only for 55 boys. It was still man-bortable, but it's a beast at about, what, 70-some pounds, 60-some if you drop the mag real quick. Drop the mag and carry it separate. But it was a heavy gun. But what did they do with it? It was supposed to be for anti-vehicle, anti-tank, because he was going to say the Japanese had tanks that the 55 could have handled. Most of their tankettes, the 55 would have been fine for that kind of work, and they used it on occasion. But where they employed it was they turned around and said, hey, this guy got a bit of a reach. How about if we use it for bunker emplacement, you know, busting? and also for sniping because anytime you get a bigger, longer range gun, you can look across from another position and it's very unlikely they can shoot back accurately. So what they did in the earliest days, even though it didn't have Bartsman sights, is they start using it for, well, for marksman's work, I won't say sniper, but for marksman's work to try and keep everybody angsty about maybe stepping up or being too arrogant and not paying attention. But also because the Japanese, as you all know, were dug in, the 55 could punch through like the 50. A lot of things that the other stuff you were carrying just couldn't. There weren't any rifle grenades at the time. There weren't any, I mean, not yet. They were out there, but they weren't in the Pacific yet. Not in any good numbers. There were no shoulder, there were no shoulder fired like bazookas or everybody talked about RPGs. There was nothing like that. So the 55 boys for a 50 caliber rifle would have fit that perfect niche in that window of time. It really would never have been dropped probably. The biggest thing with the 55s is that as they used them up, the problem was ammunition, getting more ammo. Because it was a 55 boys, belted Magnum by the way for those who haven't seen it before. We have a bunch of our guys have them. We bought them. They bought them in Canada way back when. But using them the way they did in Guadalcanal. You use them for hard points, knocking out trucks, punching holes through cabs with the driver, the commander, or an NCO up front, and maybe another guy, you know, three birds for one rock. There's all kinds of ways that they were used effectively, and they could be, you know, again, moved back, you fired, and you disappeared back to your lines, and they used them for kind of like gun raids. There's two things you don't hear much about. I brought that up in Battle for the Republic is machine gun ambushes, not the way you think, and long-range rifle slash 55 voice or 50 caliber long-range rifle ambushes. And the idea is that you take two or three of those boys guns, this is one of the things they did, they would take two or three of the 50 guns, 55 guns, and they would pick an area they wanted to control, where they knew the enemy would either be transporting, they might be doing a supply column all on foot, they didn't have many vehicles, neither side did. And what they would do is go to maximum range. And as soon as they knew that they were on the trail, they would then prep their guns, They would wait until at about 1,200 yards. They would fire two volleys, two rounds each. Boom, boom, and boom, boom times four guns on a group that they knew they were going to be there. They're using poles, they're carrying sacks of rice. They would be carrying radio batteries, ammunition, whatever was going to the front. and they would fire them up and then the team would grab the guns and run like hell to the rear. One guy grabs the front of the gun, one guy grabs back the gun and they unass the AO and that's the end of the contact. But at 1,200 yards or greater with these things, there was no way to do anything about them. And you can do the same with machine guns. I brought up the technique again, if you guys, if you understand tripods, not just that bipod for your infantry gun. But if you have tripods and you can dial a gun in, once you know what a gun does, you can do the same thing. In fact, you can take that 50 and do the same thing with it. You can take that 50 single shot, put it on a tripod, and dial the gun in so your first bullet is going to hit somebody because the stability is guaranteed. Now, after that, again, working that action out of tripod, it's not going to be in the way. It's just it's going to take time. So, again, the policy of firing two rounds and hitting somebody. You don't care if you hit everybody, somebody or nobody. Everybody can hear that thud puppy, 55 grains, you want it, 800 grain, 900 grain projectile as it cuts through the woods. You know, it's in open space. What you do is you pick a high point, you pick a roll in the terrain, a saddle in the ridge, looking down on the path or the route that you know you're going to control. And once you dial out your distances, you can even pace them out. You know that the enemy is not active, but certain times, like in Guadalcanal, they only made supply routes at night, even on the ground. They usually did it with controlled routes where they had most of their firepower overwatching. So what you do is you create an area where you overwatch with your firepower, and the 50 or the 55 would be perfect for that. And being able to dial them in, and what I mean by that is, if you guys get a chance, there's 50 caliber shooter clubs back in Virginia, the Carolinas, and West Virginia, and they marmot hunt with 50s. And they use tripods. There's several different moms that were out there. It used to be cheap. There was a British Mark II or Mark III tripod, not bipod, actually it was a quad pod, for about $100. Used to be those things were coming in as post-World War II surplus from the end of the Cold War for $6500. I made a whole mortar section up, I shouldn't say anymore, but I guess I can. I just patiently watched for all of the mortar fixtures that came through, the bipods, base plates and everything else. And I paid a total of $65 per unit for everything that's sitting there. I'm short of the two. But everything else, you know, elevation, traverse, the optics, posts, all that. And so back in the day, you could get this stuff a lot cheaper. Today, you're going to spend a little more, but there are still a few items out there that are either quad pods or tripods that are about $265. And that, and one of those 50s would be cool. Go ahead, jump in here please. I'm sorry. Just with such a system, what you're talking about, either a single shot or semi-automatic, a 50 cal, I said, considering the type of armored car that you might come into contact with, some of the U.N., you know, maybe some day that might be around the area, what are some of the good The caliber of that size. What are some of the vulnerable places to put shots where you want to direct your rounds? Well, if you can get mean and low, you know, several people have pointed out that most of these big vehicles now have gone high silhouette. Have you noticed that? Before we had a tendency to think more like sneak and peek vehicles. We kept our silhouette low, that way you weren't, you know, you could, you know, slide up a hill, look down the road, and drop back real quick if you start to take fire. Today, what they did is they went punk a-junk. They kind of went all the way back to the beginning of World War II, when everybody was making all their armored vehicles out of whatever truck was available, okay? That's not a problem. But the problem is this and they know this and they don't want to talk about it Well, they got all kinds of armor and they can protect the troops up topside All your drivetrain is exposed Okay. Do you think that that pumpkin that transaxle is? armored They don't make it out anything special. In fact, those are either freight liners Peterbilt or whatever odd truck company got the low bid like the All of this latest family of security police cars are really what they are, but on steroids. They're all heavily armored to protect the troops. They're all space age. You got all kinds of seats, special role technology, etc. But the drivetrain is the weakness. In fact, the individual components on the drivetrain, if you take a look, front and rear, are easily hit with a lateral shot rather than trying to go through, don't want to fall through the armor when you just bust the axle into. If you put an M2AP round into a transaxle right there where the planetary gear is, it's not going to be a half a camper day for any of them. Now the other consideration is, again, if you can get an oblique shot in, rather than trying to fire from the outside in to where the tires are. because you'll notice they put armored shields, not that they're that great, not that there's that much protection on those. But think about this, because our optics and our guns are kind of matching nowadays. As long as you develop your skill with the optics, you can put that bullet wherever you want. So rather than trying to beat my way through the outside wheel well, how about I aim for the right above the rubber of the tire into the brake assembly or into the fixture assembly of the opposite tire that's away from me but its innards are facing because of the high silhouette of the vehicle. The vehicle sits high. You see what I mean? This is how we're first, you look for soft underbelly points even if they're up on top. Now here's another thing. Where the 50 can come in handy is it's not going to stop something and make it go boom necessarily. But light armored vehicles, a lot of anything with a turret, is pretty well based on the same nonsense of a centralized optic system. I've mentioned this many times, like a bread box. Even if I were taking my, and I would, I'd use my 50s and everything else I've got on anything. You shooting an aibram? Yeah. But you know where I'd shoot? I'm not going to try and push through a homogeneous armor plate. I'm going to aim for that bread box on the roof, on the turret. That bread box is where all of the fire control is now and all of their optics, not every last one of their cameras. But remember that you fire that box up with anything and everything. 40 millimeter, 30 millimeter, chain guns of any kind, 50 caliber automatic fire, you don't aim for the body of the tank. you aim for the soft points that you know mean that they go blind or they go deaf. And that 50 can do a fine job at chewing the snot out of that bread box up there. If not, try to put an RPG or whatever into it in the process, but everything does, you know, progressive damage. And there's only so much armor they can put on these things. And by the way, the front... Well, the front has to allow for all of those optics to be able to collect light so they can't put armor in front of it. And that's like a bucket. That's where you want to put your bullets. On the APCs, for instance, any critical components, which any of your firearms could actually help to deal with, but antenna bases, even the upper gun fixtures. Okay, remember guys, shoot the gun. You know, I don't think anybody's really thought about this, but the fact of the matter is, like I said, in Desert Dust 1, some of the kids that I trained, all the guys that I know went over that are young guys, were guys that I trained. One or two of them actually were marksmen, marine marksmen, and they were using Barrett 50s. They were sent out in advance, and you know what they were doing? They were using depleted uranium rounds, 50 kelvin, depleted uranium. And their mission was to shoot the barrels of artillery pieces that were exposed. In other words, usually the gun sitting there at rest and the tube is up. And so what they were doing is from maximum range, they were firing with maximum AP rounds. on the barrel of the gun and deactivating them, punching a hole in them. Once you punch a hole in them, guys, there's no grandiose explosion unless they're in a bunker in hiding and they don't know or they're a sandbag, you know, they're in the ground, they come out, they don't realize that's been done. It's a catastrophic failure when that happens when the gun goes off. So remember that... Or, yeah, they could do the hydraulics too. Any of those would be positive shots. But remember, that barrel is a critical part of the gun. If you knock a barrel out, they gotta go back to division, or they gotta go back to actually manufacturing. Even when we don't shoot a gun barrel. Guys, remember, if we keep it at war for a long period of time, artillery wears out. And once they wear the gun tube out, they just take the whole carriage to the rear and they start piling them up to go back home for rebuild. Because they have to rebuild, they might as well rebuild the carriage. They're going to have to pull the main tube. We're talking 155s and bigger. or even smaller, 105s. This problem existed with all artillery. It's just one of those unsung things they don't tell you about. If you don't get more guns showing up, you get sloppier or you simply are stretched to the point where the gun tube is unsafe. Now, you can speed that up with a bullet hole in the side of it. There's something to think about there. I know so far as again remember even M2AP is pretty aggressive. Now between the blankets with the thermal blankets that are on many of the tank guns, some of those even have a Kevlar wrap to actually help protect the gun tube from what we're talking about. Spald and other damage from bigger pieces of equipment that may not have hit. But, you know, stuff shaves off the round and slugs into something. Well, a lot of it's more like fragmentation than anything. So the way that they do it is they actually add a little more armor to protect it from flak, you know, from fragmentation. So any of the soft points, 50 member, no, let's look at tires, for instance. Let's go there first. Tires, most vehicles that are military that are brand, brand new. And a lot that are even older have self-reinflating or self-inflating maintenance level tire systems. In other words, even if you put a hole in it, it's self-sealing to a degree, although it's still got a leak, but they have the ability to pump air to the tire to actually try to keep it inflated. And it buys time. Now, the cheaper solution, it doesn't seem like it'd be cheaper, but it really is, would be to buy run-flat tires because run-flat tires don't require any electronics, hydraulics, pneumatics, no controls, no electricity. They're just a better built tire all the way around and they were designed so basically like the Moon Buggy tire only on steroids with a standard tire wrapped around it. So if you do put holes in things, it is accumulative. And there's no guarantee in a long drawn out conflict, or especially when you have statewide conflicts from one end of the country to the other, whether or not if you keep putting holes in things, they're going to find or get replacements, let alone even the spare parts to fix things. One of the tricks to attacking a weapon system is finding out, just like you said, caller, what's the vulnerable spot? Well then you tell everybody no matter where they are to shoot that spot and whatever that piece of equipment is, if it's difficult to actually build or if it's impossible to replace, you can very quickly force a whole fleet of equipment to be part for lack of critical components. And one of those is the optics, which again, if you just keep firing the hell out of the stuff, example, let me give you a good example right here, there are some pretty sophisticated turret mounted gun systems that are far less than the Abrams. But you know, for instance, a Vulcan air defense gun. If you won't kill the tank per se, But if you turned a Vulcan at point blank range, but at close range, as in 1,000 yards or 2,000 yards, and a Vulcan figured, well, piss on it, he's swinging his turret on me. If he swings his turret around and hoses down that Abrams, do you know what kind of damage that does? You know that box you were talking about? It would literally be eaten off like somebody used a laser. Think about a 20 millimeter belt fed, or not belt well, chain gun, but basically it's a GE minigun in 20 millimeter. And imagine thousands of rounds, you know, in so many seconds. In fact, you'd probably dump your whole load, use it or lose it. But you know what happened? You saw holes in the gun tube, you'd knock chunks out of the turret. Now, I mean out of the turret components. I'm not going to get through to who's inside probably. But by God, they'd have nothing left to use on the tank. So whenever anybody sees they go would you would you use it under an Abrams? Oh, hell yeah, I Wouldn't be my first choice. I have no armor boy if they get a first hit you're kind of screwed on the other hand Oh, yeah inside if you like a bell I mean a funny bell and then a little worse because as you start eating stuff off the things that make it fud rather than ring would be gone and you know, I mean ZSU-23-4. This is why the Russians have a policy of everything goes into the assault. The Russian self-propelled guns, and ours theoretically could do the same thing, and we would if we had to, but the Russian self-propelled guns that are artillery pieces In the assault, they are part of the echelons that come in and they drop the gun horizontally and they use it like an assault gun. They don't use it as an indirect fire gun. Everything's part of the assault and everything is taught to engage anything and everything in front of it. Now, this is very similar to the US military's policy of World War II. Most everybody else had special anti-armor policy. Okay, but let me point something out. You remember saving Ryan's privates? There's that scene at the end where he's got the 45 and everybody's going, well, that's futile. No, no, it's not. As a matter of fact, if you knew anything about US World War II anti-armor policy, everybody engages the tanks with whatever you've got. In fact, the Brits used to lament because it sounded like a fireworks factory going off whenever tanks or armored cars had come through with the Americans because they just cut loose with everything and you could tell where the armored car or armored vehicle was by how the fire changed as the vehicle was being engaged by hundreds or a thousand men, depending on how big the formation was. Everybody engaged. Rifles, pistols, mortars, anything you had. Rifle grenades, anything. Grenades, throw it, use it, fire it. If you're close enough, throw it, use it, shoot it, fire it. Well Mark, even something like a single shot or a semi-automatic .50 cal being deployed against something like a tank or something, can you imagine kind of a psychological warfare that you'll be waging on the Ugandan troops or Pakistani troops, wherever they're from, when they discover that hell, what we're using against them, they've gotten their using against us. Exactly. In fact, we'll take their 50-caliber ammunition right out of their warm, dead hands, turn it around, and use it on them. And we already have the philosophy about how to use the equipment when we get theirs too. You see how that works? We already had time on trigger. Mark, thanks for the help. Real quick, did you hear about the Haitian president getting killed overnight? Assassination. Yes. White looked like it was a white, yeah I think I saw it. I saw the raw feed. It was on this morning about two o'clock in the morning. That's when I first saw it. I just saw a raw feed that was posted by somebody. And it had the car itself, it was like a white small SUV. And then, you know, they were showing the brass on the ground and they dropped their hoods right there on the spot. If they weren't engaged and shot, I didn't see any blood. So it looks like it was a one-sided battle. And what was funny about the whole situation, what I read, they said that some of the neighbors around, I guess, where he got killed at, they said they heard... the people that attacked him, they were speaking Spanish. I thought that was kind of funny thinking that, you know, I think Haiti they speak a Creole dialect or something. Yeah, it's gonna stand out. Yeah, it's gonna stand out if it's a foreign tongue. Well, and again, you buy mercenaries from all kinds of places or hit men for that matter. You can call them mercenaries, call them hit men. In this case, it's an executive assassination. The only thing there is remember their porous sin and it's obviously the president that says a little bit more but take a look at the vehicle he was riding you know he was planning on riding if he was just taking off or he just got hit right in the yard it looks to me like they were they hadn't even taken off in the morning I could be wrong but you know yeah okay so he just gone out for the vehicle and that's when they popped him they said his wife was also shot I think she survived yeah Well, again, thank you, sir. And again, good point, good subject here, especially. It's Weapons Wednesday. It's not indirect. It's plunging fire into an objective, but with accuracy. Guys, when you're talking bigger weapons like this, you can dial them in, have them set up, dial them to range. Now, if you feel confident that you're not your target, which is going to be using the route, will not necessarily be on that route or nearby. In other words, it's a traveling environment. When you set up an ambush with an indirect fire or plunging fire weapon like that, not only can you set it up, deploy it, and here's a little trick, you anchor the tripod. You do know about that, right? You may notice that there are either cleats or there are holes in the base of each of the tripod leg plates. They're usually three to six inches. Some are bigger, some are smaller. And it's so that you float on top of material. Remember, anything that has to jiggle around or move around might also sink if it's got some weight. And so they usually put a little circular plate. You have a post or a peg below. But if you look, you usually have a drilled hole next to the horizontal leg that's coming down that circular plate is at the bottom of. That hole is so you can complete slash spike. the gun into place, well the quad pod, tripod, whatever, into place so that it's that much more stable and there won't be any jiggling around or moving. If you are using automatic fire, you may not worry about that that much. And remember that most tripods, not all, but especially the more sophisticated European and Russian ones, actually have not only the basic tripod, but have what is a recovery recoil bumper system. a shock observer system, which helps to reduce the amount of variance. Now remember, there's a reason for this. You're not shooting in front of your target, in front of your position at 50 yards. You're talking about going out to maximum range with these guns and making them hit targets that would be, you know, with performance comparable to what you would do at 300 to 400 yards if you had the gun bipod mounted or whatever. So, and farther with a bipod, you'd be better than that. But the fact is that you can again you can cleat it with elevation and traverse you can literally dial up the position. Okay, let's say you did everything you're supposed to to set up your tripod or the quad pot. You've got it pinned it. I shoved those little rods in the ground wasn't too strong, but it's about a 10 inch piece of stock with an L and when you drive it into place you just drop it down to that pan. Some of you even have a little hook, so you turn that hook into it so it secures it and it can't ride, can't ride up. Okay. But once that's in place, then you dial up the position. Now you oriented your frame so that whatever your objective is should be about center. But now you've got your optics on board with the gun. and you're looking at the objective, you're looking at the rangefinder, you dial down to where you need to be. You can even take a laser rangefinder and even confirm the range to the nth degree. See, that's a neat trick nowadays, Space Age. And then if you feel secure, if it's an expanded like deep battlefield where there's a little rumbling here, small arms there every once in a while pop or move way off in the distance. What you do is you fire a single placer shot and try to identify point of impact confirmation. You could even fire a small burst if it's a chain gun, a belt bed gun and what you want to do is confirm that you're on the crossroad or on the road or on the the best place for an attack like this is where somebody is breaking a woods. Ideally, they feel relatively safe, although they do know they're coming out in an exposed situation, but there is a delineation mark that is so obvious, that wall of trees or gradual breakout of trees. And what you're going to do is you, by the time they come out into the light, so to speak, that's the kill zone. And the kill zone is covered by being able to traverse on the frame and elevate or depress accordingly to compensate for the travel of whatever it is that's the target. Now you're only going to fire for either so many rounds or so many seconds and it's a very short, short engagement. But this is a machine gun ambush. So more than one rifleman, more than one other belt-fed gun or .50 caliber is engaging the target simultaneously. Again, once you have fired your designated rounds, you are immediately breaking station and leaving. You are not there to extend or to maintain contact. Now here's another thing. If go out and travel in your farming areas or go through any of your wooded areas here and think about how would I set up so that I could actually do this? I mean, won't be able to see me. No, not if done right. You pick your shooting station is going to be past another part of a cusp of a square block of trees here. Off to the right you've got a piece of rolling terrain. Guys, we're looking at a thousand to a thousand four hundred yards with this kind of engagement. Again, this is plunging fire into a kill zone. With the 50s it'll be a little flatter and again you've got to have to pay attention to how big is the target you're shooting at. Remember, If they're on foot, the idea is that it's a psychological harassment, ideally with some physical damage done. But one way or another, as long as you engage and create misery and suffering, injury and death, the idea behind it is that it's a psychological stroke because, again, about the time that the security element or whoever is participating and patrolling and assisting, Even if they have flankers a couple hundred yards left right as they move whatever the policy it does them no good The ambush is typically still an L type for you, but like a reverse L From a point of contact from you know right or left or wherever your position is again with the same kind of protection in distance and oblique obstructions that you have Now another thing remember everybody fires at a designated moment, which it can be determined by stream of you know well a small burst of tracers, flare pop where it can't even be seen by those that are going to be the target, random player pop player goes up that can't be seen maybe over the woods as the tree as the vehicles or the column breaks the tree, the tree line when that happens, excuse me, when that happens Every element is only going to fire the number of rounds designated through SOP slash the operational plan from the get-go. Immediately upon firing your two or three round burst or firing so many .50 caliber rounds or firing a whatever your other weapons are, as soon as you've accomplished the task you put it on safety. debark the weapon, fall back to a second position or fall back to the rally point. Your mission's complete. And their random return fire is doing no good, no matter where they suspect it to be. Go ahead, call or jump in there. I was just thinking that a minigun, of course, it wouldn't do any real damage to a tank, but wouldn't that scour the outside of it quite nicely? Right. Oh, no. It was doing damage. It's just it's doing damage to the tanks supporting components which communicate light sound or again even project firepower because remember it when you hit when you rake something like that even like the Let's see the loaders guns actually are are even armored right now. I don't know if you noticed. Look at the Abrams, look at the other armored vehicles in the French or NATO inventory, and the Russians are the same way. But it won't make any difference when you're looking at a massive amount of hose-down firepower just chipping away at whatever weak point it hits. Because that's where the problem is. You're going to distort things. So yeah, you're damaging. Again, radio mass, optics are the most critical. Because why is the tank there? It's there to fight. If you wipe out the optics, and I mean shred because that's what you're doing with weapons like this, you're not casually, stuff isn't casually bouncing off. The nature of what the optics, you know, what the collection, data collection slash optics have to do is such they can't be impeded. But because of that, there's a weak point. And in this case, they're all boxed up in one nice, neat cluster which makes for an easy target for all parties concerned who want to participate. So yeah, you know, think about it. How do you return fire when you can't see? Well, guys, they're going to return fire. They got a 120 and they got a... Yeah, well, oh, and by the way, forget you forget something else I probably did. Oh, wait a minute, hold on. And I'll piss on it. We might as well use them. There you go. And boom. If I had some, white phosphorus is going down ring. Remember, white phosphorus works both ways for one thing. Even though you don't want to get hit by Willy Pete, understand that the white phosphorus slash smoke projectors that are on most armored vehicles are designed to do two things. Create a thermal signature that blocks. other thermal signatures like your tank. And also, needless to say, visual disruption of image. However, the third effect and the side effect that is desirable is white phosphorus is hellacious on organics. But it doesn't do a whole lot of good to anything else out on top of that vehicle. So if you use it in reverse direction, you use it to blind or to again, and also create secondary damage. That in turn is going to prevent any initial response from what may be a surviving turret gun. You know, the optics on the turret gun might still be working. Now you keep hosing something down with whatever you've got, bigger is always better. If they can't see it, they can't return fire. Tanks are a combined arms team weapon. By themselves they're very vulnerable. even with the support and combined arms element while they're obviously they're dangerous you can be just as dangerous if you understand how to hunt them and The big thing is try not to be in front of them in the first place But if you do you engage me where you bring them to that point of control where you create equity because of terrain In general conditions with regard to the environment Because a lot of things can happen in the meantime reducing range by weather and control you know, fire, you know, engaging and fighting on your terms, not theirs. Whenever you run into an armored vehicle, to a degree, it's kind of like what he said in Braveheart. Aye, heavy horse, we'll run! Yeah, a lot of times. But if you can do anything to keep damming them, and I mean just hit them and, you know, poke them in the eye, poke them in the eye. Cumulative damage does take place, and especially where the world's production capacity has changed location and is not what it should be right now. So getting the parts where they need to be no matter which side it is, they're going to have a bit of a problem. Especially when they start lobbing mushrooms and marsh gas at each other, in addition to everything else going on because of all the discussions we had about start maybe World War III or something like that. Guys, you're going to be fighting with whatever you can scrounge up and you're going to be... Rex are not going to be Rex for very long. They're going to be holes. because wrecks everything would be scavenged. All you have to do to understand what I'm talking about is go look at a city in Syria. Do you see any window frames in any of those ruins? Do you see any steel door frames in any of those ruins? You know, I can tell the older ruins of these new houses and apartment complexes, they stripped more and more of the metal out of them because the metal is needed to recast to make more bomb and to improvise, you know, munitions. That's why Syrian cities with a long long war behind them. They'll look the way they do right now because they still know how to make weapons They just have to first have to find the material to do it the first place you're gonna find it is all that wreckage on the battlefield very very little is left for the time you're done. You're not mining a whole lot of iron out there in Syria No, they're not and again aluminum steel. Well if you look guys there's some great videos out there on their home arsenal builders They're building artillery shells. They build mortar rounds. They build rocket mortars They build stuff from scratch But they have the mechanical wherewithal that if they have the raw materials They can make pretty much anything and they can work my two points. Go ahead jump in there, please The idea of attrition on an armored vehicle. When a horse falls in the river and one little piranha comes up and starts nibbling on it, not a whole lot of that horse gets eaten. But when you've got a thousand or twelve hundred piranha come up, that horse doesn't last very long at all. The other thing would be, don't forget your magnesium-fired thermite grenades. If you've got a decent enough thermite inside of that package, it will melt down through into the block of the engine and fry it. And it definitely is pretty much stuck right where it is. Yeah, thermite is one of those tools that we can make anywhere. Thermite is so incredibly simple to make that most people are like, what? Well, there's got to be more. No, in fact, it's the poor man's welding torch. Always remember that, thermite. The railroad still uses thermite for welding right now. For fixing rail and track, guys, for fixing steel. So in fact, there's whole formulas, how to make it, what volume do you need. You put everything together, dam up the area that's damaged. They use clay. There's a couple other materials that are actually fire resistant. And the idea is that you light up the thermite, it bubbles with the raw stock that you put in it, the iron, the steel. And what happens is it re-welds right there, and the reaction is only so much, so long, depending upon the formula. And there's a little formula with the whole kit they have. And then all they do is take a rasp, a grinder, whatever they got, and shape it up so that it's trimmed up with everything else and walk away. But it'll it'll turn this to molten metal whatever it is that you choose to turn to molten metal and You won't get in the way of it by the way once it starts you're not stopping it So don't think you're gonna pick it up or do something that's not gonna happen Anyway, God bless our Republic the new world order shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire's on the run and we're on the We're going to take off for now. It's Weapons Wednesday. Your mind is your first, best weapon. But it does come in handy to have a grenade, small arms, ammunition, and all the other goodies that are necessary when you're on the battlefield because when the green matter bounces off armor, okay, we're just going to remember to use the hardest-stuck points. We're going to go to break. We'll be back. part of our constitution you know the right to bear arms because that the last form of defense against tyranny not the hunt to protect yourself from the police anybody that wants to disarm me can drop dead anybody that wants to make me unarmed and helpless people that want to literally create the proven places where more innocents are killed called gun-free zones we're going to beat you we're going to vote you out of office or suck on my machine politicians Get any blunt off checks together, alright? If you get cornered, bash him in the head. That seems to work out. Kick together, stay sharp and follow me. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three cornered hat and speaking low to me, he said. We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost. You're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. It's a number you traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for what you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God-given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given rite, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, dill the land of the free? And good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the second hour of the afternoon. Intelligence report, I'm our currently one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, Southwest, East, Northeast, and South. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, Liberty Tree Radio on satellite, and we're on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and UltraNet, Hallmark, and Golden Spike Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Good afternoon to all of our friends out there in Lower 49. It is 6.06 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. It is Weapons Wednesday. It is the 7th of July, 13th year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America. 2021 Old Earth Calendar. 2021 Battle for the Republic. The dance of sorts and we are looking at a roller coaster weather here in Michigan. It was supposed to rain It did rain some places but not where we are Not in and it of course is Wednesday weapons Wednesday and so Couple of our gear for about 30 seconds. Yeah, where you were saying where if you were talking about the rain that you didn't get except for Except for here and there, spots here and there, so it's okay. Anyway, it's Weapons Wednesday. A couple things here real quick. I mentioned policies about anti-armor the last hour. Example, American, if you're not familiar with this, you need to read up a little bit the difference between German anti-armor philosophy. It changed through the war. Each country had to adjust based upon concepts and ideas that they implemented with the firepower and the manpower that they had. But the American policy never changed. Engage with everything. Dump it all downrange. There's a vision block that your pistol might hit. There's something you might break. You're keeping them busy. They're getting pinned down. They can't pop their head up to peek out. If they can't pop their head up to peek out, which most armored commanders like to do, and the driver too on occasion, But when you keep buttoned up and pinned down you're slowing them down now. What does that do? Well, I might not have the biggest piece of junk on the planet right here But you hear that humming rumble down the road That's my boys with something big enough to knock out what these guys have and they're coming to do the job But to do that if I can slow down and affix the enemy and keep them where they are Or keep them within the original report database so to speak Then when my people show up, we already have the situation in hand to a degree. No, we may not be stopping them. But then again, we have a wide range of weapons. So there might be a burning wreck here and there, which would be kind of nice. But it's a process is to again, button up, slow down, and then cascade the amount of firepower available. Take whatever you have, put it on the target, and keep doing the job. If all you've got is lighter, then that's what you're going to have to fight with. You're stuck with it. You'll fight with what you got. Rumsfeld, who died here just a short time ago, when he said that, he was not inaccurate. That was an accurate statement. I would never contest that because you're not going to have a choice. Use it or lose it. Fire it and forget. Keep moving. Fire it and forget. But keep doing it. Keep doing it. Keep doing it. Fire and forget usually has to do with at least missiles or, you know, weapon systems where once you're going down range, you don't have any control over them necessarily. You may not if they were built that way. So it's fire it, move, fire it, move. Keep the enemy guessing. Make them wonder because the sounds, the reports, the engagement are never coming from the same place twice. And this is especially critical when you are in the first contact and you're at a disadvantage. This is why everything gets used. Now, one thing I want to bring up is World War One. I always talk about World War One. I know a lot of guys who were in World War One. They're gone now. Long gone. But even my grandpas would say the same thing. When they were over in Europe, the French, of course, called us the crazy Americans. Why did they call us the crazy Americans? Well, one of the reasons is that when it came to volume fire, we don't seem to have been able to follow instructions and didn't pay too much attention. One of the first guns that we embraced was the French 75. Now there's what's called a rate of fire with each weapons system, guys. You'll find it in every piece of literature ever. A sustained rate of fire with this weapon. But what do they mean by sustained rate? Well, depending on what it is, it either melts down or blows up if you're not paying attention, okay? Because you get it too hot and it just goes boom. Well, we were issued the French 75. You might notice it was really easy to pick out because it's, again, a medium gun. light gun actually, but it was a very portable gun. It's easy to spot, had that little chin tag in the front, you know, at the very end of the muscle, and most people can pick it out that way. Now the French 75 was actually in service for a long time after World War I. We kept the ones we got. and they kept them in service because they were already paid for. Other guns came along, but the 75 was still out there for another decade and a half or more at post-World War II, and we used them in the reserves and progressively for national defense when Pearl Harbor took place. Everything it could shoot was put to the coast or put into the militias' hands. Now, when we were in France, there was a sustained rate of fire that was not a recommendation. It was a, Suck your beer! You Americans, if you go beyond this, the barrels, they get red hot, and the ammunition, it would blow up in the barrel. When you put it in the chamber and close the chamber, it would blow up. Well, the French, actually it was the French advisors, were the first to flee from our gun crews. when they realized that when we engaged the Germans, we didn't seem to care much or concern ourselves for sustained rate of fire. And as my grandpa pointed out, there's a few times in the dusk of a day when the Germans were in a counter offensive, trying to take a trench, that when the guys, especially the Marines, he said were notorious, and the other lieutenant I've known, I knew before, said the same thing. The Marines were notorious for not really worrying about safety standards. And it was bellow wood was one where again they fired the guns until literally the barrels at dusk were glowing red. The French advisors and administrative personnel had fled the area. They were that terrified of what they expected to see happen. Miracle of miracles, they didn't lose a gun. Now I don't know what the condition that gun would be in the long haul. I mean, when you think about it, we've talked about, well, what does it take to degrade an artillery tube? But the idea was that, you know, use it, use it well, use it or lose it, because if they get you or they overrun it, you can't use it. So if you got a pile of ammo here, well, didn't you give me the pile of ammo for a reason? Now, the same is true when we talk about, you know, more so, you know, we're now into present day. Whatever you have, you bought it for a reason. If you end up in that dog fight, no matter what it is, and no matter who it is you're facing, This is where you don't play conservative. And if you're on your power base, remember your enemy is a mobile aggressor. You are a defender. You have more of everything. Well, Mark, they're the government. They might have, or they're the secret police, or they're foreign troops. Guys, they are still a mobility unit. Mobile units do not have a great reserve to draw from instantly. If you're on your power base, all that you've accumulated, it's all there at your fingertips. It's like I try to explain to people this weekend, I pointed out this last weekend, guys, you have to sign for your ammo? You have to go sign out your rifle? No, it's all right there at your fingertips. And all of all that you have, you are the manager of the reserves, the manager of the resources. So understand that if we get into a situation, the right one, a bad one, that it's use it or lose it time. I always talk about the Branch Davidians. The Branch Davidians did a good job of defending themselves, but they never employed any of their heavier weapons. They did what they did with their basic defensive weapons, and they never used the 50s, and if they had anything else, it never appeared on the battlefield. All the grenades and everything that were used were used by the government. All the grenades that showed up on the scene were used by the government. All of the automatic fire was from the government side. Period. All of the wickedness that went on was from the government side. Branch Davidians used basically light weapon systems and defeated a far superior and technically, in theory, better trained force. But understand they had the ammunition munitions on on hand so that when the enemy ran out dropped down to 42 rounds of ammunition between the whole group the Branch Davidians were still at a hundred percent capacity. They still easily could engage as they needed to with whatever volume fire they chose to. So remember as the defender you have a significant advantage provided you properly prepare and you understand a combination of mobility defense and a defense in depth. Now mobile or mobility defense, there are several different techniques that were developed over the decades, years, hundreds of years, take your pick, especially now you look at warfare. The defense in depth is the same thing. There have been many variations and what changes is simply the tools. The tools change the range, okay? When we were using sticks and we had rocks, needless to say, our ranges were, you know, kind of restricted. They were relatively short. However, throwing a rock was still better than being close and getting stuck with a stick or bonked with a stick on the head. The math formula has changed ever since back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, but never significantly with regard to the basic math formula. Now things you're taught that you're not supposed to think about especially the secret police when the time come number one The defender always has the advantage always but what about surprise? surprise is only good for the first few moments of contact and Contrary to the BS and all the other movie garbage you see typically anyone who has any is worth their salt at all Has an a plan of action and the moment I mean on a plan of action is in like for that particular action But they have a basic plan of action which dictates that they are going to bring their martial arms to bear period It's not an if it's just a win. So the the surprise action on the part of an offensive element is only good for so long based upon how the defenders have established the defense and what their policies and procedures are with regard to something we talked about earlier, like with anti-tankier work, is policies of engagement, how to use the force you have at hand. Okay? Now, here's another thing. The offensive force. The offensive force has to be willing to accept a five to one casualty ratio against the defender. What? Well, actually the Batfaggots got to experience this. Although they did attack, like the Indian savages while the men were at work. And again, the defenders had to put together their defense in a very hasty fashion. The fact of the matter is that once the defender had chosen that battle was joined, then the defender simply did their job to the best of their ability. But the offensive force always has to expose itself. You have to move across ground to take ground. And when you take a look at the situation, barring the first shock element of the attack, the exchange one after another, the first wave attack, the second wave attack, the third wave attack, the first day, progressively represented a classic defender's advantage scenario with more and more wounded or killed accumulating on the offensive side while the defender was settled into a defensive network or mechanism and was relatively impervious to the attacker's attempts. In other words, if that initial jump off didn't work, re-enacting the event over and over again, which is what the Backbagots did on the first day of the attack of the Branch of the Caribbean siege. What wasn't planned on being a sea. When the attack didn't work as a surprise Indian raid, whoo! All of a sudden, it became a classic defender versus aggressor, defender having the advantage of location, control, experience with the environment, you know, it could be terrain or in this case, the structure, and the enemy having to close the distance and be willing to take casualties. See now again they did expose and body armor helps it makes you feel braver You know, there's all kinds of things you can throw grenades you shoot through walls you shoot women and kids That's what the government back baguettes were doing and they felt really pumped up about that. They were feel good about themselves Well, maybe the first attack the second attack they didn't feel was good When they went into the third attack, I don't think they really had their heart into it, so to speak, because every step of the way they were able to, you know, and again, with each attack, they were hearing more and more of the wounded begging for help or dying. For those that were mortally wounded, I mean, dead or just hanging around, just flopped there and not doing much of anything to help anybody. But think about this like I've said a million times the offensive force all pumped up Johnny Jack Jack. We're an invaded army It had to fall back and retreat back faggots words not mine. Okay, that was that red-haired twit that was the spokesperson because the other guy was hiding back in the corner You know the guy that originally was in charge They put the female up there because we're gonna start changing this and make everybody feel bad about the bat faggots getting their ass shot off So what it comes down to is, again, by the time they get to the next part of the offensive, the third element, they've lost all momentum. And on top of that, unlike the first two attacks where you have this hail of fire that's sustained with nonstop dumping magazines, dropping magazines, just hosing down the building. The fire power of the the thoughts shots fired by the offensive group start to pitter off and they taper off here and there and There's only a pop here and a couple of pops there and then everything gets really quiet Why did everything get really quiet? Well, the offensive Johnny jet-jock crew Ran out of ammo now. They already had casualty quite a few cash In fact, help me Frank, help me Frank, help me it hurts, it hurts. Remember the bat faggot by the water tower? Wouldn't get off the radio, forced them to change their radio frequencies. Couple of them did because they wouldn't stop talking because they were wounded and they were important. The rest of you piss off, you're not. Lack of discipline, but then again wound injury does that to you too. Shock isn't really a good thing necessarily, okay? So anyway, then you have an opportunity and this is where you learn from the Branch Davidian scenario. When the enemy wants to talk, that's when you continue to shoot. Why? Well, after the Branch Davidians had tried three times to convince the idiot sticks that they needed to stop shooting, they then wanted a ceasefire, but only because, what did I say earlier, they were out of ammo. Now, You take a day of victory and you turn it into a complete complete victory I mean just not just a good like hey we kicked him. How about uh I got their uniforms got their equipment got their radios I got a bunch of prisoners. I don't really want but I got all this stuff In fact, we also did a sweep of the area and got their lead behinds. The character over there in the other building that we weren't supposed to know about, yeah, we fired his ass up, killed him about five minutes after the end of the engagement. He was kind of, I didn't know where they were thinking he was going to the sneaky peek back shoot, but we just hosed down the whole building the way they did with us, and we used their weapons to do it, and then we went in and found the bastard and finished him off. And two or three others, as a matter of fact. See, one of the things that they don't want you to think about is not feudal resist. It's just that as long as you have a plan, resistance not only will be successful, but just downright embarrassing for the enemy. I mean, are they really pumped up about dying for their cause? Come on, dudes. Let's go confiscate some guns so I can steal stuff from somebody here. And we all want to die for this one. I don't think so. I think the plan was, yeah, maybe to murder some kittens and kill the people in their homes. Well, and all of a sudden it's equal opportunity dying time, which is what happened progressively after that first few moments worth of the surprise attack. Well, the rest is kind of history, isn't it? So the moral here is have a plan, a basic plan about fighting. And the rule, first rule is this, don't stop fighting. If you are hurt in a situation where you're in a defense, prop your hind end up, do whatever you can to stop the leak, leaking or the bleeding. And if it actually feels mortal, Keep firing and keep engaging until you're gone. Keep maintaining whatever you can to create the illusion of even greater numbers. Do what you can to make sure that your job is done right to the very end. Of course, remember this, it's not likely to be the very end because if everybody has that attitude in the defender's side, we're going to be fixing our people. I'm not doing any first aid for theirs, right? And this is why you fight on. I will remind you again in reverse order, why does Mark have that policy? Have you ever watched any of the cop videos on YouTube where they beat somebody down or they shoot somebody or they murder somebody and got it caught on film? They don't bend any... Yeah, they don't help you. No, they don't lift a finger to help you. Nothing. And if somebody tries to step in, oh, that poor man out, don't you come near him. And you know what? You can catch him doing that even where one guy said, well I'm a paramedic, I'm a paramedic, I'll take care of it. You get there, you get back. Why? Because they're trying to wait for the guy to bleed out. And of course in some cases, even if the ambulance shows up, they still stop the ambulance operator. Dead men give you testimony. Yeah, so don't you shed any alligator tears for your enemy? And don't you waste any of your medical supplies on your enemy? Because trust me, they're going to try to bleed you out. They'll stand there and look down at you with their eyes still from above and they won't bend a knee and they won't even look. In fact, they'll be casually just waiting for you to stop twitching. So that's why we do them harder. We do it better. And you do to them what they planned on doing to you. I think probably one of the best examples, I mean, let me jog everybody's memory. He was probably a weenie to begin with. Yeah. But remember out in San, it was out in San Diego, no, no, not San Diego, forgive me, forgive me. It was out in Los Angeles. But it was over by the Queen Mary, the, oh, come on, what is that? What's the area? Where they have the big event center, they got the ship park. It's actually an industrial dock area. Anyway, that area does have a lot of bumps. I've been there, I mean, I've spoken there. It's like literally the zombies come out. I could say that is exactly what it looks like. At night, the zombies come out. And I mean, they are territorial walking like they're in stupor dead zombies. And the only thing they come to life for is asking you for a free cigarette or a free something. Or, you know, or, you know, again, a handout. And then they go back in, it's bizarre, they have some semblance of reality. And then they go back into stupor zombie walk mode. Okay? But you might recall this one guy's dad was a sheriff's deputy and he was on a bench, a bunch of different people videotaped this, and they just decided they wanted to piss with him. And then they escalated it and of course they started beating him. And he's begging for his life. And then he finally beat him and they beat him and they kicked him and they beat him and they stomped him and they kicked him and not even his mom or his dad could recognize him when he was in the hospital. And there's pictures of that. The dad took a picture and made sure everybody saw it. But before that happened, the guy is now off this concrete bench. They started beating him on the concrete bench and they beat him down onto the ground and they're kicking him and stomping on his head with their heels. And other people are like, hey man, and they of course, you know, do that to you. But then there's a couple of people that actually try to step up and immediately they tell you get that. Now this is why he's just laying on the ground now. Yeah, but you're talking about Kelly, you're talking about Kelly Thomas. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Thank you. And the thing about this is that if you recall, watch the video and count the minutes, they stand there. They don't do anything. They don't do any first aid. Oh, after all, they're there to protect us. They're there to help. They were, no, they weren't. They were on whatever satanic mission they were on. And they executed it in front of cameras and they executed him in front of camera. And they stood there without a waistband, not getting down on an A. Of course they wouldn't do that. Well, they do that for Black Lives Matter, but not for you. They do that for Antifa and for whoever their satanic overlords are. But not for you. And 11 of them, 12 of them, a couple other cops show up. Theoretically, they may not have been ones that helped with the beating because they weren't on the camera the whole time. And they're all just standing there. And when the paramedics finally show up, of course, then they slow them down. And they get in the hospital. And of course, it's got a nice long stretched out, long drawn out depth. So don't tell me how I need to shed alligator tears for these creatures. Just that simple. Because you can watch not one of those, you can watch a thousand of them. Okay, you shoot some kid and of course. Yeah, you always suspected you don't go okay, so he shot him the one broad daylight So obviously doesn't everything his hands, but they decided shooting because they figured they probably would be a gun there somewhere Or at least they could plant one But because the cameras are all running the kids shot he goes down and it's like he's looking at you He pops the kid and then he's like oh oh and you can hear it's mechanical. Oh, oh buddy. Are you hurt? Oh, oh hang in there buddy, hang in there buddy. And it's realized, what's really going on is he's realizing, I couldn't get the gun planted in time, he doesn't have any weapon on him. He might have been an idiot stick because he's moving away from the cops, but he was in a like a quickie mart parking lot where he hadn't stolen anything even, which you know, usually you can find that excuse. But they just figured they had this kid zeroed and they were going to use him as today's excuse for showing how to beat down. Except they shot him. Come on buddy. Now was he rolling out the compressed bandages into it? No. He's just talking. And yeah, you know, did you try to help? Oh yes, and I encouraged him to live. What did you say? Come on, buddy. Come on. Come on, buddy. I was really emotional man. Come on, buddy. Oh, I'm really worried for you Oh, wow, man. I was almost in tears man. And then you hear the actual recording. Come on, buddy. Hey Hey, buddy. Come on. Come on. What's that other word? Oh, yeah. Yeah Yeah, we're working. You know hold in there hang in there. Hang on buddy. You'll make it Yeah Come on gardener. You'll make it Yeah, aren't you the guy that shot him? If they don't put the blue gloves on, and at least try and staunch the blood flow, they don't give her access. By the way, and they have all that garbage on their bat belt, remember that? Yes, they do, and I wouldn't, if someone, one of my friends were shot, I wouldn't need the damn gloves, I would just put my hands right over the wound. Right. Well, and with whatever you can find to create and plug a bigger hole, you know, plug the plug the hole keep it smaller and you know keep fluids in Mark these people have chosen what side they're on they deserve no mercy. They'll give us none They deserve none themselves. Well, they're already bragging about it in their circles right now. You know that so again, they're all marked I used to listen about I used to listen to I would go to some of the blogs for the police Just to find out what their minds were like the arrogance of these people. They can't fight us. They can't stand up against us. Anybody that thinks they're going to come out with a gun and try and do anything else, they're going to find out that they're dead. I mean, over and over and over and over and over. Not any rational word of, hey, let's be reasonable about how we treat people because they're not our enemies. No, everybody is considered their enemy. Unless they're a blue lodge or they've been told by somebody to leave them alone other than that Everybody hears their enemy over Across the board now again real quick on that note before we go away from the I hate we do have to help people our people Shop Med vet calm shop Med vet calm shop Med vet calm Guys, there are some phenomenal deals there go through every page. I found stuff. I didn't realize was there last night And the prices are just being, I mean, there's some of the, it's like, wow, it's like it used to be. They have some really good items right now, including surgical gowns, scrubs, but 99 cents an item, 25 cents an item for other things. It varies. But then of course, the usual, the prices are, you know, their base prices are all cheap. But every time you place an order, let me make a recommendation. Buy another case of either stretch gauze or 4x4s, 4x4 cotton pads. Take your pick, but do two items, one big, one small. And what I mean by big and small is like the two inch stretch rolls, you get 96 of them in a case for I think about $6. But then the bigger they are, they're a little more expensive. But when I say little, I mean very little more. For 96 rolls of 4-inch gauze, you're talking 4-inch stretchable gauze, you're talking, I think it's like 847 for 96 rolls. Now, you get a lot more material for a few dollars more. Don't just think about the idea of 4-inches. Think about realizing what the volume is there. So you're actually getting quite a bit more in the way of material. But there's a need for the smaller rolls. And I'm going to point out something we just talked about, gun shops. The two-inch rolls are not there necessarily to wrap a wound. If you have a gaping hole from a shotgun slog or something big like we've been talking about, might pass through something else and go through you or somebody. The larger roll, in fact, a lot of them right now are Vaseline, not the ones we're talking about here. But if you see the ones that says, you know, two-inch gauze roll with Vaseline and it's in a foil pack, that's designed for sliding into a wound channel. for plugging a hole. The idea is you shove one in, shove two in, whatever, that's expandable. And again, that's without quick clot or anything else. But it varies. And sometimes, again, they just use the two-inch rolls. You got lots of material that make greasy blood and other organics possibly. So the idea is that one more note is going to get in there. But the two-inch are great for an advanced blowout kit. But every time you place an order there, always, even if it's going to be suture and clothes or it's going to be gloves, like I've been telling you about, they've got gloves for phenomenal prices, always each order add more bandages to your system. You're going to need them. And it's not just the initial maintenance, it's fixing afterwards, keeping somebody clean, keep somebody alive. having to improvise dressings because you don't have enough and you again you don't need to be fancy we're talking minimal cost but having lots of them means that you can change your dressings on wounds cyclically the way you're supposed to and that keeps down dirt you know and build up a material slash death or test slash infection so just a heads up every time you do that shop Med Vet dot com go check out what they have ShopMedVet.com. ShopMedVet.com. Okay. Want to get a little bite in there on that. Also, I had an email last night, a couple of different questions. The medical bags that we're talking about that we may offer, they do, I just checked last night, they still have them in stock. If we offer them for the network, it's going to be like maybe a combo. There's two pouches that are cheap. and are very well constructed. I've got a sample of each. I like them. They look like they're going to do what they're supposed to do. In fact, I'm sure they will. One is the tri-fold medical bags. We may not get them all in the digital green. We may get them an OD green. We may get them a multi-cam, which it doesn't excite me that much. Multi-cam, yeah, okay, but everybody's biting after it. So the problem is it's usually pricey. For that reason, if I get it cheap, fine, but if not, Not excited. Right now the multi-cam tri-fold are the same price as any of the others. So we might just do whichever one we, you know, we'll throw a dart at one, clean them out and go to the next. But the, they're a tri-fold but they have two zipper pockets where normally there'd be one. So there's actually four zipper bellows pockets. It's just that they fold up like a tri-fold when you see if you're familiar with the Vietnam era tri-fold. medics bags. They were designed to be throwouts, chuckouts. They were done in nylon. The idea was Doc was going to be carrying a ton of those and when he burned them out he just threw it down and he grabbed another one. Okay, and of course somebody else probably picked the bag up and used it for what is intended to be a restock it or somebody else picked it up and repurposed it for something else. Anyway, these are rubber line They are in the heavier gauge Cordura. They are very well made. And if I decide to do this, I'll give you the heads up on them. And I do recommend them. Just a matter of, again, us working out the logistics on this. Another thing... Can I have a conversation, please? Go right ahead. Jump in there, please. Yeah, yeah. I hate this. When you get on a roll, I don't like to interrupt you at all. What I was going to say, I believe it was Darzak, that someone just made a comment about gunshots and you were talking about... rolls of gauze. Shop Med Vet sells a, it's actually like a surgical pack for gauze. It's a 4x4 12-ply sterile gauze. And like a little pin pack and they're really stupid cheap. But that's exactly, that's actually what they use when they do surgery to pack off a bleeder or to pack off something while they're doing, you know, doing surgery. And those are less than $2. So that's something that you can literally put into almost like a little grenade pouch or even a mosey in the gauntlet size pouch. And you actually have a way to pack off a bleeder. Right. And that's at ShopMedVet.com. And also ClearViewInvest.com, since this is Weapons Wednesday, ClearViewInvest.com. still has that very good price on 9 millimeter and 223 ammo. That was 37 cents around for the 223 and it was 35 cents around for the 9 millimeter. But I was going to ask you something. You talked about, you just mentioned that rubber pouch for the medical pouch. Now, is that, you said that was the tri-fold medical pouch. Is that like 3 inches wide, maybe 9 inches long, and maybe 5-6 inches high, something like that. It's a little bigger. This pouch was designed with a carrier strap. It's about like the length of, let's see, a paper towel roll. Each chamber is about the size, well, the two folding chambers are about the size of half a paper towel roll. And then the other half is almost a paper towel roll. But it's designed so that when you de-clip it, originally the first one's had two clips. I think this one has, or forgive me, one clip. This one has two clips, which kind of keeps the flap where it's supposed to be, number one. It is in a tactical camouflage cordura on the outside. But it's rubberized on the inside. That's a different feature because the original ones were simply a nylon shell and Instead of just a hanger strap the this one is set up with hanger d clips But it also has a complete molly connector on the back is set so you can hook it up right to a vest you could hook it up to any piece of equipment you got with molly and Like I said where the docks would use this so you hang the strap around your neck and you'd open up the clip, it'd all drop open, and then you open up and unzip what you need and when it's all expanded or if it's pretty close, you just take it and chuck it and grab another one and use it again. Okay, so these were actually made as medical pouches, correct? Yeah, this was a medical pouch design. These particular ones, yeah, this particular one was designed to be a medical pouch, but it's a new model. Do you have an ideal exactly if you're going to be able to do this or not? Oh I can. Yeah, these are, in fact, I'll tell you what, I should probably, I think, we can take a picture, and because I already have the one I wanted in stock, I ordered the sample, and I just checked and the inventory is still up. If they ran out of the camel, I'd go to the green. If they ran out of the green, I'd go to gray. There's different colors, and I doubt that certain colors will sell completely. In fact, I've noticed that now the tans of the Coyote Browns not moving like it was in most places. It's now the sale item. So I just know what the pecking order for the colors would be. I would grab the, it's called Digital Green. It's basically digital, it looks more like digital plectarn than digital woodland. I think it's better colors. And those are the first ones I grabbed. And then you do have multicam, about 100 of those. And then if we ran that out, we could go OD Green. So it's just a matter of if I just need to sit down with Nancy, we'll just figure out which way we want to go. Because we'll add this on. We're doing the axion and the rifle sights. We have some of those still. We're doing the monoculars. We've got some of those. But we can pick these up. And I think everybody would like them. And in fact, if you're looking for a medical bag solution, it's one that I actually prefer, but they built it better. The problem is for a medical bag solution. I mean, I've got a really over, well, it's over complicated medical backpack. And one reason why I'm calling Mark is because I need a smaller package. Yeah, I need a smaller package. And part of the reason why I call this is I've been sewing today, making bandoliers, and then I've been missing part of what you said. So I had to call in and ask a question. So I hope that's enough. Well, you know what? That's another thing because what you've been doing, you know, where you can make your own, once you see this, you could build more. I mean, the only thing is for what we're looking at price-wise, they're reasonably priced. Stuff has been goofy coming from China, and there's no doubt this is Chinese. But it's a well-made, medium-grade pouch. It's not top-end, you know, American standard, but it's It's as good as anything the Euros are using right now and it's a decent piece of equipment. That's why I recommend it. And again, it's sturdier than the original pouches were because they went with a different material. Okay. Now are the zippers like a military grade number 5 YKK or are they a number 10? Well, it wouldn't be 10. Or are they like a number 5? They're not a light-duty zipper. They're actually pretty decent. I'd have to double check. I didn't look as close as just the model. They're not the bigger boxy, you know, large lug. But they're there and again, you don't necessarily want that with this because the way they, you know, get in the space, the way these things flex everything. But I, as far as I can see, like I said, I would work. It would work. I think you'd be satisfied with it. The big thing is the moly clips in the back mean that you could, for instance, hook if you got somebody a designated medic, you could hook these right up to the front of the vest and they would be attached. In fact, you could put like on the left panel two of these, one on top of the other. And one would hang down below the belt line, but the idea is that when you pop it open, it rolls, you know, gravity sucks. It rolls open and in a positive station so that you look down and the zippers are all right there so you can open something and fiddle with it and work on someone. And originally they just, they just used these as a dump bag. You just had a whole pile of these, you know, in a crate. And they were disposable. It's like most of the other stuff that you'd see in the field during Vietnam that was the perishable consumable. It's kind of like the more sophisticated but still a bandolier type bag for medical gear. It's light duty. The original ones... That sounds extremely interesting, Mark. This sounds extremely interesting. Now the other one is the smaller pouch. It has a strap. Well, I got a that's what I got double check. I don't know that all of them came I don't know we've got a check It looks like some came with straps and some they figured well, you're gonna have to look for your own So I've got to find that out. I just didn't get a chance to get back with them I probably should just do an email. Maybe they'll probably I won't say maybe they'll respond because we've been Making them pretty happy with stuff that we do. So I can answer that a little bit later, but otherwise They just they've got a standard d-clip on each side That's automatic. And that's how originally they were built. When the US made them enduring, and again, like I said, they came out around the time of the TA 56 year, end of the 50s. And where they moved them first was aviation emergency kits. They had them there. Well, then they showed up in, or at least in this variation that I'm most familiar with, and most everybody used to get a surplus, they still offer these. Major surplus has one of these bags. Not the newer one, but they have the original style bag, which was done in a lighter nylon like you see the Alice gear. In fact, even a little lighter than that with a finer weave. And the problem is that if you wanted to use them a lot, if they weren't used as a use it, lose it kind of bag, the outer flaps had a tendency to suck up to the side, to the center, because the clip is in the middle. But if you change that and you have the two clips to the outside and you roll it with harder material, everything stays where it's supposed to. So this is actually a pretty decent design, the way it's set up. Well, see, you can fudge because we can actually buy what's called a polyethylene skin. And that's what some people are took to using. But we can now buy 500 denier weight cordura for about $8 a yard off eBay if we buy like six yards at a time. So see, that's a very high quality material. But I think the material you might have been talking about that was a little bit tighter weave than a normal cordura could have been nylon pack cloth. Oh no, no, tighter weave than the old Alice gear. Oh Alice, okay, okay. No, this is a much lighter material. This was, it was like sail cloth. The original bags were designed to be very lightweight, so again, if you had a pile, you could have a string of these on your neck, you know, over your shoulder, and they wouldn't be any big burden. That was the whole idea, because they were, you know, carrying extra compresses, the extra pack, you know, pack gauze and all of that. in addition to morphine, whatever else stock needed. And the bags were set up so that each one was self-contained, but it was consumables. And then once it's done, you chuck it, like I said, and pull another one out of the box. Okay, now, Mark, do you know how those were originally packed? Oh, the configuration. There is a couple... Yeah, in the manuals, there's a couple of different demonstrations of how those were set up. I personally would... I would use this more like an extension of the iPad. With I mean like only what I would do is each one of the shelves each one of the zipper areas I would use that to keep the different grades of material separate like let's say I've got the you know ball gauze Or if I've got an injector or something like that the neat thing is that these chambers are big enough They can handle a lot of different material not not big big items for instance I don't think you could fit a large field dressing you know into into one of them because the large field dressing the volume but I mean you can but you'd be stretching everything on the main chamber there's only one chamber big enough all the rest are kind of like hot dog chambers well they're like hot dog chambers again you're looking down at when it hangs each one is like a hot dog you got a shelf and there's a hot dog in it Now they're bigger than a hot dog. What I'm saying, think of it that way. You open it up and you've got three hot dogs and that's the part that you opened up and then you've got the main chamber which is a deep hot dog. Hot dog mud. There we go. So when you're looking down you can reach and grab for everything and rather than zip it back up because your hands are covered in blood or if you've got gloves on, doesn't make any difference. And you're able to cherry pick from what you have there. And if you don't use it all, you zipper it shut, clip it back up, go on to the next guy. Yeah, see what you're basically saying is you can set it up as hemostat, you can set it up as rest or airway, and then you can set it up as miscellaneous. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay. You could weigh this to set up. You could have each pocket, like one pocket, could do airway. Another one could have a variety, a number of spare clamps. One thing that's a good point there. Remember guys, if you have to do, if you have to, you reach into the linguine and you squeeze it shut. and leave it there. That's why you have lots of spares. You don't recover it. You leave it there and what you do is you lock it down and then you tape it down if it's secure and if you can't flip it around too much, you dam it up right in place. And what I mean by that is take some of these other rolls of gauze, tape those around that clamp and that secures it. Just remind the battle buddy, don't move anything. Yeah, not but yeah, med vet sell those clamps really cheap if you just want Yes for for you know, they sell them for I've seen for a dollar and there right now over Right now over in the 70 and 80 percent section I cleaned out the probes No, I think I did leave some I left a few they had German probes. They may still have six left there. I think I got all the rest and In addition to that they had clamps and of course forceps, a variety of different forceps. And some of it is the cheap stuff. They do have right now in the markdown 70, 80%. They've got some of the little small basic, small trauma sets slash laceration kits, you know, only a couple of instruments and those are on sale. They have some gauze in them and the other stuff. But it's the instrument you want. That's why like I said, when you go to the hospital, when they do surgery on you guys, so when they do like the stitching, ask for the surgical tools. They throw them away otherwise. Yeah, they throw them away. They pay nothing for them, charge you out to hind in for them, and then turn around and throw them away. Yep, so you might as well take them. And again, at the very least, tell them to use it. Here's what I always do. Oh, do you fish? Oh yeah, I use them for Thai, for fly fishing. Which people do by the way, so you know that you get a pair of scissors you get nothing won't necessarily give you the scalpel Even if they don't use the scalpel, that's the one thing it's a sharps issue as far as and a liability I'm sure they've been preached whatever but even it's usually a disposable handled scalpel number 10 or number 12 and you know etc. But again looking at 70 and 80 percent markdown there's a wide range of stuff in there it's on the header for the pages for ShopMedBet.com and we need to take advantage of it. Yeah oh absolutely we got to take advantage of that. Hey now do you have any idea what these what if you guys offer these bags what you're going to offer them for you? Well, we're using them to benefit the program, so probably 15 a unit maybe, which is not bad for what they are. They're again, they're decent. They're going for stupid prices otherwise for the lesser ones. So this is actually, I think, a little balance out well. I might add another pouch to it so that there'll be two pouches. The other one I already have, but it's... Again, it's a little smaller and it's not a med pouch, but it would be a compliment to this one, especially on the MOLLE here. These are a couple of pouches you can't really find. If you go to Coleman's or whoever else, there's no comparable pouch. And for utility- Okay, the reason I have to ask that is because when you do offer them, I normally don't do anything hardly online anymore. So what I would have to do is just send something in an envelope to you then with an address. You know where to send it. Okay, well Mark, thank you for taking my call and the answer is a couple of questions for me and I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Not a problem. And again, for everybody out there, if you go to majorsurplus.com or go to Coleman's and look up medical bags, this is a tri-fold medical bag. What it means is there are three different little pockets. The big pocket is on one side. The other two pockets, they're hinged at the bottom, so when you disconnect the clip, they roll down with gravity and you end up with one, two, three pockets upright if they're hanging off your strap or if you've got them hooked up to your gear. When you look down, you can see inside each one of the pockets and that's why they were quite useful because they're stabilized, you don't have to fish around, and the idea behind this was, kiss, keep it simple, stupid. The other thing about that is, again, as I pointed out, there's a lot of good, heavier medical bundles out there. There's one that's, well, I think it's Flecktarn right now, that whether it's Surplus or an Aftermarket, it might be Miltech, but it's a multi-bundle bag. You know, multi bags, I think they're six pockets. Each pocket is about the size of one and a half of the soft pouches. And it's designed just to carry tons and tons of medical stuff, just the bulk stuff. So there are the backpack that was mentioned earlier that's probably more like an SF backpack. There's a bunch of different models out there, depending on which year you picked it up. But all of them are designed with multiple pockets, and it's basically an EMT bag with backpack straps and a few more tactical pouches on it to make up the difference. So, we'll have both armored pockets because you've got to remember you're carrying fluids, you're carrying medication, and you have to think ahead. You've got to be able to make sure that stuff doesn't get perforated, poked, or damaged. And so that's another reason when you can, you know, certain things can be lightweight. Compresses and bandages, they're not heavy and they really are pretty resilient. And you'll use them in the field no matter what, okay? But other items, again, like bags of saline, bags of sugar, syringes, anything that's got any kind of medication in it, some of those things are coming actually in pouches quite similar to the bags that are carrying your IV fluids. There's both types out there now, and they were designed for the purpose we're talking about, carrying them in the field, and they can take a balance. rather than glass or even plastic vials. So you may run into any of that out there. You got a hundred armies that might come at us and out of those hundred armies you've got probably just as many variations in systems that are being used. Certainly some buy-off others, but you've got to remember that's a... material and army operations across the planet, military operations, is big business. And everybody gets bribes, so you can buy ours, not theirs, and that happens all the time. So you're going to also, that's another reason to also familiarize yourself with the latest and greatest junk that's being offered on the market. You will see it. It's not an if, it's just a when. So that's another reason to be up to speed. There's a bunch of different journals out there on the subject. Military Times does a good job of giving updates on the newest. A bunch of other texts or specialized monthlies that are out there and needless to say, keep an eye on the Internet. You can always do a search there and see what else is out there in a way of new innovative military medical applications. DoD, Donator Destruction, actually has a couple of publications that they themselves produce. And some of this stuff shows up with even amazingly enough the PM Magazine, if they're still doing it. 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