I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked him through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. And this is the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken us. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great republic and each god given right. We pray to God as I awoke he vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each god given right, we only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, What would be your answer he called out from the grave of a man to the free report I'm Joe McNeil one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and Sisters on and behind the lines in occupied territories Southwest West gentlemen you were listening to us in the morning on 4mg.com and a of an FM Mike, bro CB base stations and ultra net hallmark in golden spikeologies east west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Good morning to all of our friends out there across the lower 49 the border which no longer exists again it's talking about the border wall there. Oh that's right it's got other stuff in it the wall thingy is through the house and option now so their money that much sooner. Those are the five billion dollar Christmas presents. The money will go in the account, the money will go overseas, and nothing will be built. Well, no. Four panels at a cost of five billion dollars that will cover about 180 feet will be built, much like the little samples. In fact, they might even claim that samples were the five billion dollar check. We did get five pieces of wall. They're just going to have to move up now. Eventually, now they'll probably sit there and rob in place and the Border Patrol have to drive through them and around and so on if you see how they're set up. Anyway, in the Outline two states, two territories, and all of the points around the compass for your listing from South Africa to Holland, from Bangladesh, all in the back. We have people listening all over the place. We appreciate the fact tuning in. It's gray again this morning, Joe. We had rainy, kinda rainy last night. A little bit of rainy, real soft, and then it stopped. It's a good ration rain. It didn't have to be real hard. It just, it outside, it's that tiny little mistletoey time that just goes to the, careful beware. We haven't got any freeze right now. We are at about 40 degrees outside and maybe a little higher, maybe 41, 42, but because of them not hearing any sirens, morning, there's a couple of car wrecks, here's a drain, and then we have a freeze here, and we have rural ice skating rinks. Anyway, what's the date today? What's jumping off the wall up there on the road? A beautiful, beautiful wet day in Michigan, in Cami, Iowa. ...sporting 34 degrees here this morning with overcast, high today of 41, and that is 21st of December 2018. And last night we were getting some heavy rains mixed with sleet and a little bit of snow but it changed its mind somewhere during the night and I guess we're with the rain but right now we're just twinkling a little snow so totally undecided. We're in the garden, we're not in the garden spot like you are but we're almost parallel for weather again this year. Well we... Might have to put some heaters on our banana trees or something. I've got an orange tree here right next to me. I mean, I have an ant tree, but I can tell you right now, within four feet, I've got a little orange tree right here, and I can look at a little green orange that's going to get... I was just sitting here reading about... Well, I've been seeing a lot of this here in the last week. Of course, we go through this frequently, so I'm not sure how serious to take it, but... The idea that your an economic collapse, you know where the stock markets are and collapse is imminent You know I tell you you just don't always want to be prepared for I'm just waiting for Hillary to be arrested and Trump to be and that would break next to it is is the economy that would probably be about As close as you know, like to Jesus coming back or something what they arrested they actually arrested Hillary Yeah, well, he's overseas. They're hiding overseas now because nobody wants to buy anything apparently. We're other they're on the Arab states right now They at least can always get a handout from those guys. They're playing golf or, you know, pedophile and most likely both. And more, more really, not so much golf. The two ball cane thing. When they bring up a, you know, golf, understand that that's a Masonic thing for the ring knockers and the globalists, this golf that. Well, if you want to see the play on words, you'll see a lot of the characters wearing a little pin on the left lip cup. And it, it's, it looks like a golf club. But the golf club is hanging. You're not supposed to understand the duality of this. Put up above like, you know, the head of like a number five iron and it comes straight down. And then either side of the head, which of course, if you step back and look at it, it's like a male organ hanging there. You see? So in the one hand, it's like, wow, that's kind of interesting. It's a golf club. Yeah. Two balls. Each one, each side of the... Yeah. In addition to that, of course the actual representation is, you know, from the Old Testament, look up Tubal Cane. Anybody? I'm going to teach you some trade secrets here. That's Tubal Cane. Let me point something out, something interesting about the moon landing. It's a sidebar on this. You know, when you want to send a Masonic message and you know, on the interview, the unclean won't know, but you can laugh because all you that are insiders know. They didn't have a whole lot of space on the moon landing. argued and only so much could be carried up there. Two golf balls with them. And what is it that they... Notice you didn't take three, four, or five golf balls with them. Only two. Only two. Remember what they did on the one mission? They played golf on the moon. Two ball, cane. They had that cane thing that they put together. It's work play and visual play and in fact always yet another symbolic, asymptomatic mission as far as the cane, or the old cane actually. Two-bolt cane is what you're looking for. You'll understand where he fit, like with a lot of the old dark trees of the Old Testament. You go, wow, there's other tongue-in-cheek stuff going on. But you see, they always have a point of mention. He's playing golf. Wink, wink, hint, nod, nod. All you butt buddies know what this means. You know, hey, the lodge is in motion. The business is in motion. All you guys know and the unwashed don't know. See, you can get away with all kinds of evil wicked stuff. We'll slash both Chester the molester. Look what we did for him. Look what he does. He gets away with everything. See what happens when you're working with that devil and the occult and Satan and the shite and ball and mollock and... the other, well, finger pick a demons. You can even, you know, roll the dice and worship a certain wicked evil deity from the bowels of hell. Don't you feel good about that? I do. So I'm gonna join. Don't you wanna join? You wanna make you wanna join. Gee, that's how you do that. You have the secret. The secret isn't really good about the secret. It's that you see, you give everybody the one secret and then somebody asks a question and you go, ah, so you are looking deeper into this. What do they teach you something? So then you show them, you show to be deeper demon worshipper, they're secret. So there's something and they see one thing, you can then show them that they're in the next tier because they something else very same thing. Now they know what to look. That teaches them that you see there are plans within circles. Matt is quitting within Matt is quitting etc etc. Yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah. They kind of knocked where they had going. If you didn't see that, you know, nobody was showing up for their speaking engagement. And by the way, Merry Christmas everybody. It is Christmas time. It's the Christmas season. We need a Christmas song for the bottom of the hour. You know, going out this time. We're not going to get a chance to do this much before it's the 21st. So, there are guys, the bad guys are looking at all the nastiness that they've done here. On the end of the year, at the end of the year, traditionally, okay, yeah, they do gun stuff and all kinds of things. But isn't it interesting how much jig-stabby stuff they've done? in the Christmas season. You know there's no coverage. We're going to go on the offensive. I'll tell you what, you, the Eastern Ukrainians did a good job here. All the forces have built up. They were ready to jump. And the East Ukrainians made the public announcement. Remember we talked about this. I told you where to go to watch the military briefing. They were dead on the money. There's a demonstration of what troops went where, how they were piled up. Because guys, when you move troops, you gotta get that. Ukrainian's are all chomping at the dead, well the management is and the Israelis aren't running. And well, they put off the offensive. It wasn't going to be some lightning strike, everybody's surprised and we're all baffled with BS. The eastern side made public announcement, here's what they're going to do, here's how they're going to do it. It's going to be a Christmas offensive in the middle of the ceasefire. Now the big thing was that the secret attack, which now wasn't a secret, the Western Ukrainians run by the Israelis, you know, the murdering the women. See, that's true because when you deploy troops to that argument, once you get the troops going, you just can't stand Joe. Especially when you're doing a monkey poke backstabbing, you know, secret attack to like, if you decided maybe it'd be a good idea because, voice something out. Well, I think we have five offensives now by the Western Ukrainians against the Eastern Ukrainian militias. And every time the Western, you know, Orcs run by the Israelis have lost. That's why you're not seeing anything in the news, guys. The coldest few to resist and the Israelis are so bright. They have, the government's got a ring and the Israelis tell them what to do. So you see, you know, US force equipment's over there, the pull that stuff over there. Just like what happened in Georgia. Israelis run everything and tell everybody what to do. just like the Commissars of Communist Red Russia years ago. They're doing the same thing in Ukraine with Western Ukraine right now. Same communist, different day. And so they have total control. They are the Commissars, they are the overlords, all orders. It's funny, you try to mess around like this holiday season and people, if you really want what you want or you think you're gonna want what you want, the problem is you can make a lot of enemies this way. And very motivated enemies. You know, everybody thought they're gonna settle in for Christmas and You do that, it's like, oh, you really, really got, you got me going now. Okay. None of this stuff, everything's working for the, the shysters. It's working as a feces pie. And I know they're not happy. Plus remember, we got to keep working independent communications because well, the Valley's doing their best. He's tied in with the Chinese. Oh, we got to jump in there, please. Early in the morning here. Yeah. Good morning. Um, getting to your point about, uh, old, I've slick Willie. They're, uh, playing golf. It reminds me of a thing I had to wave a little psychological operation against a neighbor. This old man came down to my house. He shouldn't know better, but he came down to my house. He's a little shorter than me, very wide, been a cement concrete worker all his life. And he came down waving his fists. Brown-eyed, you know, and he's just waving his fist, calling me every name. And it got to the point about a dozen hearts of trying to explain to him, you need to go home. Don't, you know, and I've got my, I'm like three feet away from my house. He went home, it didn't go well for him. It didn't go well for me. I actually broke a knuckle on my hand, but he went home more sore. I had to put a glove on my hand and go out and continue to work on the yard, which is what I was doing when the old man started to intervene in my life. So I went back out onto that front lawn, started raking the leaves again, but it was killing. My hand was swollen, but it was just a psychological operation there. I wonder if, is it really there playing golf with his is called Hedda Paul. I don't know what to call that necessary, but it just seems Hedda Paul thought he just seems to be wanting to have this, like make it look good that he's doing everything, everything's fine with him or something, that he's not worried about anything. What do you think about that? Great. Oh, yeah, everything's casual. We're all fine here. Well, think about it. Remember when they were looking for the bodies in the backyard of their house there? They got little or no coverage, but they did get a little bit of coverage. lemonade? They think you're talking about, well they're not worried, they're okay, they're up front, they're stepping lemonade, chuckling and laughing. And by the way, they're digging up bodies in the backyard. They've found however many dozen of them. Anybody remember that? This is why I don't hear it. Yeah. It's like, okay, I don't care who you are. It's like, oh, although I wouldn't be calm, it'd be like, I'd be more curious than be just sitting on the front porch. It'd be like, we were digging up bodies in the backyard and we just found what, one and two and nine, 12, 14. You know, that's in any community. Know what I mean? I mean, if we found, if I were to be digging in the backyard here, we'd be digging in your backyard there, and you found a body. And then within a few hours after the forensic people show up, they start to look around and realize right next to where one hole is, that looks like there's another, and they find another body. That would be plastered all over the news, everywhere you were being. The police would be banging on the front door, they'd be banging on the back door, they'd be circling the house. Oh yeah, and they'd have to, they'd have to go in the house, even though this happened outside the house, they would be telling you they'd have to go through your house. You better start hiding your personal belongings, getting them off the property immediately the moment you had something like this start. It's guaranteed any excuse they can get to get into your house and get into your private property, they'll use. These are the backyard. you weren't stopping them, they're gonna demand. It's like if somebody commits a crime a hundred miles away, but you live in a certain location, I'm telling you right now, sterilize everything at the location. If you're gonna do anything like, let's say you wanna finally go, you wanna go out and bump off a bunch of New World Order types, do all your friends a favor, change your address, number one, before you do it, and set up a really, really goofy army house or apartment. Okay, so you gotta figure that out. Here we have Hillary and Bill, they've got corpses being dug up in the process and they're all up, they're cool, nobody can touch us, we're up on the front, we're up on lemonade. You're saying it's like, oh we're all fine, I'm going to play golf, we don't worry about anything. That is part of the message that they're sending, because you've got to remember, but see a good, in a situation like this, the most common mistake made is you have to stay calm and rally your troops. Be they the minions of hell or the angels from a black together. And one thing you gotta admit about that Helldriver is that both of them at least know how to stay focused on the mission. They get bitter. Oh, I love some of the pictures I've got to use in my little portfolio of things about Hillary. Oh, you want to see the bowels of hell fire you into the oppression of someone's wicked, you know, continents? Oh, yeah. But you know what? They don't do. They don't back down, do they? They don't bewail. They don't moan. They bite. And whenever they're not biting, if they're anything else, they depict the idea that they're calm and in control. See, that's real management. They're the kind that you'd better be paying attention to. Obviously, here's the other part about it. They, we all know, I mean, come on, how many of us have been watching the Clintons back to the Arkansas days? Back then, many, many witnesses already came forward. There were even investigations and yes, they did have all kinds of bodies. They got a whole trail of bodies. starting back there locally and those are the ones that you know about. As I pointed out years ago, if you could show me one cockroach dead in the bath and tell me that I killed all the cockroaches in the house, well you know if you see that cockroach, how many more are out there that got skittled back under the counter that you missed. It's true with bodies. If you can show you 50 or 60 absolute beyond the shadow of adult connected deaths, imagine how many you haven't even discovered yet. Like is that? Yeah, yeah, we're cool. Look, I'm playing golf. Oh wow. Oh wow. I'm playing golf. Run, Hillary! That would be kind of sad. Poor Bill kind of like trying to breathe through those collapsed sinuses from his cocaine addiction as he tries to run from whoever's chasing him or Hillary running along and then all of a sudden doing the stiff penguin thing like she did before they threw her in the van while she's trying to run along and then, you gotta try the chocolate! Then she does a little bit of a bobblehead and then all of a sudden goes stiff in all directions and the wolves catch her first. But you know what? Bill wouldn't slow down because as long as the wolves are chewing on her, even with bad breathing, Bill. One other thing that just came to mind, that was when Obama took him in 5,000 of his closest friends and they all went to India. Minicels. accidentally launched and the media tried to cover it up and stay with an airplane and don't worry about anything. But it was and it was launched from a sub off of the Los Angeles coast. So why do they go to India? What is it about India that they do this? I don't understand. It's the other you know, I've been saying this for the last couple months. You know, Joe's been right here. He'll be probably listening. India's that dark car that nobody gets like it's there but nobody talks about it everybody is is figures that they might be able to buy India at the last minute but I would point out that while it and India's by the way quite open to anybody everybody spending money on them China is the is the the giant in Asia now but it has been for two thousand three thousand years so always remember that guys China China no matter what has been in charge we've been the remember India for a long time but it is a unique And in a way, it's kind of like, remember, refer to Frank Herbert's doing, you don't watch the movie, read the books, read the first book especially, and understand that all that Frank Herbert did as he took India is that economic power that on one hand has had to be subservient and occupied, not under, just under a billion people at one time or another, it's had more or less, depending on what countries it occupied or what was part of it. country before was carved off. Pakistan was all originally part of India. In fact, at one point here, if you look at the history of the world, most of it being burned off the library shelves, India was half its size when Pakistan grew and the Muslims went ape-crazy and went through India and took half of India's land mass. They fought and took that all back, except for they're fighting in the east right now. And India is a friend of Russia, more so than any other country right now on the planet which nobody's talking about. So everybody's trying to, oh what's that term? Comb like combing a horse? What do you find in Indian cuisine? You tell me. India is the strike to what happens when the big war starts. And it will probably run with, first of all, India is its own country. It's been biding its time. India is a nuclear power and it's a good good sized nuclear power. If everybody started hammering each other and India stayed out of the fight for a little bit and everybody else got flooded with mushroom and marsh gas, potential to step to the light like it hasn't for 1,800 years. Come out on top and nobody's talking about it. And India is influencing us. Let me give you an example because you said, why India? All the multiculturalism garbage as far as the stuff to undermine Western civilization actually pretty much comes from India and the Jewish mob, okay? And most people don't realize that. Well let me give you an example of the Ecumenical Council, right? Well you've heard of the Ecumenical Council, right? Yeah. Well where's their headquarters? India. West India, in fact a place Orwell talked about years ago, what about our boys on the Malabar front? What about Malabar? bizarre when you find some of these things and look at them and go, oh. And so again Orwell knew about this too by the way. He wrote about the, he had the discussions about the undermining of Western religion too. Or at least the manipulation of it using the multiculturalism scam coming at it from that direction. Everybody else will have theirs except for Christian slash the Protestant slash the white people. Even though the Indians are very cool like they said, they don't care who you are. They'll have peace time with you. They're probably, that's why there's an Amoebic kind of country. They have the ability to adapt better than anybody else that's out there. And that's what they're planning on doing, I think, in the long run. Anyway, go on. Anything else or we'll let you go? I hear the music, so I'm gonna go, but I will say this. That India does not like Protestantism because it says there's only one God. And so, ultimately, you know, scriptures. They don't like it. The Greeks didn't like it, they took offense to it, so it didn't do it. I'm outta here, thank you very much, Ma. Thank you, sir. 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Yeah, shut up the government. And it won't come back on either. You know that. And it's all getting really weird here. So I would suggest and recommend to all who are listening right now. I hope you get plenty of Twinkies, man, because unless you prefer Ho-Hos. Yeah. snowballs or snowballs yeah oh balls are cool yeah make sure because if that is the case there's something in the net like that of that caliber would to take place I promise you unequivocally there's no getting her out the grocery stores would be empty flash bang boom pop it's over And I don't know if you remember there's the movie was a zombie land It's the one with the you know, it's kind of like a tongue-in-cheek. It's a it's a it's not a spoof It's like it's a comic old zombie movie and it's of course a narrative from some kid and the guy that he links up with is looking for a Twinkie side on the expressway and he jumps he stops the vehicle and with the usual to protect himself in case and Oh host a truck and he opens up the back end and it's full of what was it? Snowballs, I think it was snowball. It's just full of white doubles Twinkie anywhere. Twinkies, it's like, guys, don't worry. Now one thing about Twinkies, remember that's been an epic story for years. It is true because we find them all over the place. The 90s, okay. They found one up on top of a machine. It dust all over it from, you know, 20 years earlier and they opened it, you know, they looked at it, it turned kind of gray. But it didn't change in composition or shape, eyes, and they opened up the package and basically it was the same consistency it was when it was baked and the dates around all of them, so you really do know. It's like, well, yeah, so it's survival food. You just know it's going to be there as long as you can it up, right? For 20, 27 years, maybe 30, we don't know what the shelf life of a 20 is. Well, in case nobody knows it, you know Twinkies originated back during World War II. Yeah. They were actually filled with jelly rather than cream in the beginning. In which they still do some companies that are knockoffs still make. Yeah. They actually, you can still find them. Well, you know, I was watching a video, it was a few years old, but you know, it was worth mentioning because we basically have mentioned this kind of thing before. For everything that you think you want to do for survival, one million other people have thought of the same thing that you have. And what this guy was pointing out, he says, you know, well, if you plan on, you know, hunting game and fishing and you're heading for the hills, you're headed for the mountains, for survival, you know, number one, there's already people out there. And, you know, how much game you would need for, you know, five square miles or something to support a family. He got into some of the details, but I thought it was pretty interesting because I remember years ago a guy called in. He had a motor home all set up ready to take off. He was actually in LA, and I don't think he anticipated it. Everybody else is going to be leaving LA at the same time he decides to leave and look where you are. You might want to think along those lines, you know, you're not the only one that has thought of what it ever is that you've thought of. Thinking outside the box, like I said yesterday, remember he mentioned the boat and then the whole idea of the boat's completely out of the picture and it's like, guys, everybody else went to the camp, okay, the tent camp. What did they do there? They died. Why did you need to go to the tent camp in the first place? You know, government congregation points you in a direction and towards your dome. Think about it, you know, America used to be, you know what our super highways were before we had all these roads you're all used to? You see that water, that river over there? I got a river behind the house here. But in fact, if you want to go, whoa, yep, a hole, yep, a bay, a yep, a hole, a yep, a hay. Well, if you want to talk about the Indians, they didn't have expressways. They did have trails through even impenetrable forests like Michigan. But because it was the impenetrable forests of Michigan, the highways of the day were what? Waterways. Yeah. And guess what? They're all over. In fact, we ignore them. Most people ignore them, except I've told you a million times. There's your first obstacle in trying to get from number, you know, point A to point B. Highways are just like rivers. They'll be full of cars that can't move or they're going to try to move. You got to get past them. Then the other obstacle, which is natural, will be there forever, are those rivers. And the one that always wins is the one that left the gate first. We don't win if you dodge. Exactly. Knowing when to leave. How to get out of dodge is a good thing, but knowing when to get out so you can get out of dodge is probably a fun picture. How many New Yorkers do fit on that GW bridge, man? You know, we're in the Holland town or what have you. How many yards do you fit there before everybody dies, right? About the size of it. It's just a matter of being prudent and doing the right thing at the right time. Of course not everybody's going to do that either. So, you know, just things to take into consideration. Just one of the things, I'll give an example. We have, I've mentioned many times, the Purple Gang that was here. This is a Jewish mafia that was in this area. The Purple Gang are the people who invented drive-by shootings. Most people don't know that. Everybody thinks Homie Fry and all these other gangs doing that. The people who run Hollywood love being able to do that with their tongue in cheek. You know, look, Homie Fry is doing a drive-by. Jewish Purple Gang is shooting in Toledo and in Detroit. I've mentioned that many times. But the other thing that most people don't know is these characters had fortresses, little actually hideaways all over in the outline of Ohio, Indiana and Michigan. Every stinking one of them is a little, it's like a long castle fortress made out of cement block. Painted white, although usually the owners have done stuff, you know, different colors, but white is the norm if you ever found them back in the 60s. And I had one across the lake from me. We lived on this island, you know, on the river. and one of the Purple Gang hideouts was literally right across the lake about, you know, well, if you look right at it, it would say, well, probably a quarter mile across the water. Every one of them is built the same way, preferably on a large lake or a river chain. Why did they do that, guys? If somebody came out to ride up on them, everybody knew about horse and buggy, although this was the age of the Duesenberg, and they used Duesenbergs. They used big cars. They bought the big cars. They had the money to do it. And there's a guy that has most of the collection of their bigger cars right here in Ann Arbor, Michigan. They're right down the street from the boys of inherited the son and then the grandson now have the collection. And if they couldn't run by car guys, they just stepped out the back, walked over to a motor boat and they went, they just unasked the, forgive me, they slept in local location and everybody in the dust was ready to jump in a boat and chase them down the water. very least they could ride, they gotta remember don't think the road network and everything the way it is today. All these roads, if you go back even to my lifetime when I was young, all the road network we have that exists like in the northern end of the county originally was all dirt and most of it was very badly kept. Those roads are paved and since I've been around so it's like everybody goes, well I remember the changes with your grandpa. Okay now let's go back to that period. There were very few paved roads in the United States during the roaring 20s. They were a new thing. The farther you got out of the country, the more two tracks you found. Well, they went way out in the middle of nowhere, and they picked locations where they had their druger running. They were operating, again, prohibition. These guys had everything set up and mapped out so they could go from one hideout to the next or move without having to go into town or into any city and operate. They had always a water escape designed into all these little fortresses they built. And each of these, by the way, are only the width of a part, very narrow. Everything they put in the building had to be built or had to be narrow, small, and disassembled and put together. And the reason for that is so if you tried, if you got in the house and they were fighting room to room, the walls are cement on the inside, cement block, not cinder block, cement block. I would say that you have a better chance of escape from New York City on a boat than you would have far. Yeah, well think about 9-11. on the bridges Joe what does it look like on those bridges I mean guys everybody was standing there waiting to get across now if you do that randomly today you can walk across that bridge if everybody wants to walk across that bridge at the same time but wanted to draw and so they got up there and they drove oh they weren't going that space that could have been by people remember now some of them they blocked him and they didn't let