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Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught. According to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press. and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. and keep our country deep in jail. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctrine so their children will be. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came His words were true, we are not free But we have ourselves to blame For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right We only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep And wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dill the land of the free ...and days yesterday. I've said... ...of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, southwest, northeast, listening to us from g.com. We're on indianafreedomtalkradio.com in memoriam, and we miss Spike. And we are on AM&FM microstations, CB base stations, and Ultra, Hallmark, and Golden Spike technologies. and west of the Mississippi. All of our friends across the lower 49, which includes the great state of Jefferson. Southern border, which doesn't really exist, and now we got a whole line of parasites that they have a right to come and rip off America. And a right. Well, we got a left and a right, you know, kicking a crotch tune and drag your ass back over to the border and it's very where you belong, back in Mexico. So the, uh, outlying states, the territories, and the clock. And that includes, of course, all of our friends listening overseas. Some of you staying up late, others getting up early. Well, all those guys in between fortunate enough to be able to turn and grab that cup of coffee and smell and taste from that, hmm, that we get the Micro Effect cup here. And we've got it with Zaina Coffee, Zaina.us. That's C-A-N-N-A.us. Why are you buying from somebody else? Buy from Luca Zaina, he's a patriot. Got his own gun company, if you wanna build it, if you don't wanna build an AR but you wanna buy an AR, Luca's mission is to keep the price down to where it's reasonable. Guys, take the time, check it out. Go to him, go to, again, zaina.us. You pick up your coffee there, grab a coffee cup from... now, and you got the best of all worlds, pro-patriot, pro- and rifle, if you like. More on that in a minute. It is weapons Wednesday, it is the 17th of October, and if I'm wrong, slap me the microphone and kick me in the head on that one. The days are just kind of run together, but I am pretty sure. I am pretty confident probably, probably. This of October is the 10th year of open Sabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K-2018 older calendar. 2018 year of conflict year. And as we pointed out, you got this terrible And when we got some news, they started this up again. I remember they backed off on it the beginning of the year. I remember they were starting this. Then they did all the probes on the border. Then they realized they were pissing everybody off, so they backed off on it. Well, apparently the shysters, they go along with the election garbage. You know that's what this BS is. It's being coordinated by the filth from one side or the other. There's filth on both sides. There's two sides over there that we're not part of, okay? The rooms, as they say. Playing the rooms! Well, we'll play them from this side and you play them from that side and both sides. They're to play them everybody. The ones behind everyone, they get the profit. Boy, I'm telling you. Boy. So anyway, it is Weapons Wednesday. I know that we've discussed this. The way to deal with this problem on the border is to actually develop and expand the Minuteman 3 program. We had Minuteman 1, Minuteman 2. The way to do it would be to employ are people on the border with Minuteman's free. We could shut the border down. We don't have to wait for the government to do it. Put manpower down there. Got enough people that are tired and pissed. Now I would point out that I'll guarantee that Antifa and the Soros paid for Black Lives Matter parasites with this time around would be down there to try and get in your face. So, well, I guess we'd have to shoot more one way or another, which something to take into consideration. They create conflict. We'd have to just put the conflict down, but... Again, it's where we are. Defecator, get off the pot. Take a direction. We can discuss that if people want to. I would point out again that because of that, you need to organize, arm, equip, and train as effective militia. That means that you need to train. Train as you will fight, or you will fight as you have trained. Now, even with a Minuteman deployment, 510 program becomes very useful. In addition to that, though, the, again, the communications, medical support and transportation branches that need to be built now and should be put together now would be ideally suited to be able to deploy down on the border to assist with a Minuteman 3 deployment. The communications element could set up a phenomenal grid which would include camera and other signal communications to monitor deep into the other side of the border without crossing the border. In addition to that, transportation gives us the ability to project strength where we need to, to put manpower where it needs to be. Medical support? Well, in the event we do run into a problem, we gotta be able to get our people off the battlefield. Just on the other side. I don't care about that. If we put somebody down and they're bleeding out there, it'll end up out there as far as I'm concerned. They plan on trying to kill you and laugh about it. There's all laugh about their demise, okay? Just a lot of work to do. And again, you gotta, well, I'm gonna look for some input here in a minute, but I do wanna touch on a few more things before we go any farther. Number one, Palmetto Estate Army. A couple of young men here are talking to, maybe they're listening in tonight, I don't know. But as I pointed out over the last couple months here, Palmetto has done some really good prices on the AR-10. Now, again, it's the odd rifle out of the three MBRs in the 308 that were made as military arms. Well, four, because the AR-10 is the four. You know, FNFL, HK91G, the G3 family, and the M14. M14, best of the but... I know all the articles, all the nonsense. I still... The M14, because America put the money behind it, developed the precision components necessary to tune that rifle up to a long-range weapon with extreme accuracy. And whatever you want to do to build it up, you can do that if you want to spend the money. The FAL and the HK are neck and neck with the M14. And again, you can spend any money you want on an FAL. There are beautiful rifles out there and there are some, in fact, we had not many people talk about the Imbels. But when the Imbels FALs first came in, they were absolutely to FN slash military spec, even though they were a contract Brazilian rifle. And guys, I've got I think three of those that are pristine, they're not unfired, but they are tight. They are beautiful firearms. And we built a lot of FALs back in the day when the kits were $75 apiece for everything, including the barrel except for the receiver. However, those days have changed. So the FAL is much pricier. The HK is the most reasonably priced in terms of rifles versus magazines and ammunition is a given if you're going to get a .308 rifle. You're all going to pay the same price for .308 no matter which of the .308 guns you buy. 7.62x51 NATO. So, there's the 4th rifle, the AR-10. Now, the AR-10 is a weapon that could have been. The only reason that there's an existing AR-10, let's be very honest here, the only reason there is truly an AR-10 market out there is because back years ago, somebody started cranking out AR-10 military kits. They were a very small number by comparison to many other guns that are available. But they came in back in the 80s. They were very nice. They were Dutch and they were immaculate the ones that we bought and we picked them up for $79.99 a piece, $80. They went to $125 real quick and then jacked up beyond that and then went to Stellar and then there were no more. The waffle magazines that the Dutch adopted, which are the magazine that the US military dropped for the AR-15 M16 family rifle, a Philippine still produced and in fact standardized and kept the Waffle Pattern Side Pattern Waffle Pattern Magazine. A quantity of those came in cheap at about $4 to $6 a piece and they went to $10, then they went off to stellar prices which are goofy as a collector's item. Rest is history. However, because of those kits, somebody started cranking out receivers. So once they'd figured out how to make an AR-10 receiver that really looked nice, Then all of a sudden, somebody said, well, hell, we got a bunch of receivers now, because there were more receivers made than there were parts kits. So somebody said, why don't we build an AR-10? And the rest is history as one company after another came up and online, somebody else thought that's a good idea. And so it was those parts kits that motivated them to actually get back into the AR-10 mother of the AR-15M16 rifle. That's how this came about. And that's cool because the rifle is a decent rifle. It is a very comfortable weapon to shoot. You can drive tax-related all day. You do have to buy specifically AR-10 magazines for your AR-10 rifle. And there are no surplus magazines. Unlike the M14s, which again, they have not only US but foreign surplus that are pretty decent. The HKs, which are German mags and they're all decent. the FAL a mix but all the countries that made them, that made military mags, there's lots of them out there. Metric an inch, doesn't make any difference. Either way, there's tons of them out there. With the AR, you have to go buy them. And this is what I said to these guys and I've said it to everybody I've talked to. You all know if you're listening and you've had a conversation with me. You want more mags? You gotta buy the mags out so they gotta build more mags so they gotta put them on a shelf to fill in for the ones that they just sold. That's how you make things move, guys. So if you're going to build the AR-10, you want to start buying mags and you want to motivate others to do the same thing. And that way they go, oh look, the shelf is drying up on AR-10 mags. And there is a company that makes them and we can buy them from them. And then they will and then there'll be more mags. But that's how you bring the price down too is by bringing up the volume in available merchandise that's in the inventory that's gone out there. Palmetto you could actually build in the last month here if you keep your patient to keep an eye on Palmetto's deals they had uppers for a sale one time lowers complete for another and that would be an FFL item because they were AR-10 lowers PSA Palmetto State Armory lowers, PSA-10s for $150 and their uppers were about, what, $350 to $400, depending on which one you were looking at. About the time we mentioned the 20-inch model, everybody, you guys all scarfed them up, or somebody did, because then the only thing left were the 18-inches and the shorter ones. Don't go shorter. 18 inches, as short as I go with a .308, I am not buying a main battle rifle cartridge so I can make it into a flamethrower that, you know, has more powder burn going downrange than bullet. Okay, I don't want that. That's not why I bought the gun. I bought the gun because I want to reach so far out I don't hear my enemy dying when I shoot him. I want him to be twice the range away from him. I wonder where the bullet came from and by then it's too late because he's already dying. Okay? And I don't want to hear his moaning. So this is where the 308 rifles, the MBR main battle rifles and battlefield superiority weapons come in. .30-06, 8mm Mauser, .338 Lapula into the mid-grade. The 416s, the 418s, the 460s, and then up into the 50 CALS, which is then up into the heavies. In fact, from the 338 up here, pretty much headed from the upper end of the mid-range to the heavies. Those are all good choices, but for an MBR, Main Battle Rifle, and for a unit standardized on it, the one young man was talking about building an AR-10, the other one had an M14. Good, good rifles. Again, whatever you commit to though, buy more mags. You know, that's my preaching, constantly buy more mags. And then when you buy more mags, next time you can put some money together, buy more mags. You will need them, okay? One nice thing about Palmetto is they also have a lot of other deals. Check them out. You want to build another AR-15? You got to build that Gladius that we are, you know, we've talked about. Well, go to Palmetto. Uh, $300 to get you a basic kit, build a rack of them. Why? Oh, you've got that really special gun that costs $1,500 or $2,000, congratulations. I have no litmus to compare it by. Build about five of those Palmetto kits that are decent, you know, average Chevys, and then you can brag about your Porsche while you're, you know, handing out Chevys to the men who don't have rifles and now can help you to fight, because one guy by himself with a rifle ain't gonna make it. Just that simple. So we need to, again, we're building armies, we need to build an army, we need to continue to be developing our army. Um... Another thing about that with ammunition, again, there have been some really good deals around the planet, so to speak. Many different locations, you almost have to search, before you just go out and buy right now, Peru's all the basic dealers that you would normally find in the shotgun news. A-Tex gun parts doesn't do much ammo, but they do on occasion have some interesting stuff there. Otherwise... Sarco, uh, edssarcoinc.com, amalman.com, aim surplus.com, distributing.com, cd and investments.com, keepshooting.com. G-Sales, they still have the best price. If you have a 6.5 Swedish Mauser, you can get thousands and thousands of rounds for a very small price. over there at JGSales.com. Boy, I'm so kind of palmetto, why am I not? Well, it is because there's something else I'm going to mention. Anyway, JG Sales also has a bunch of other little sale items every once in a while. And between all these, you want to peruse them. There's some hurt and burgh ammo that came in here recently. It was a little cheaper than the average bear. Don't know where it worked, if it came from the Mexican border or if it came from the Euro. There's also a bunch of other Portuguese that came in again. I love the Portuguese and for the longest time it was really the premium grade of the surplus stuff out there. The Portuguese 7.62x51 NATO loads. Very reliable, very clean shooting, very consistent. Brass cased, heated and healed. Now with the Portuguese, some of it is boxer primed. You will find both perdan and boxer primed in Portuguese. And it's a 50-50 split right now. Used to be, I'd say about 60-40. 60% of the Portuguese was boxer prime, non-corrosive, heat and yield case, standard NATO military load, but really consistent. They were doing a great job. Smaller country, but they were focused. And because of that, they really knew what they were doing. Brought in a bunch of 8mm in 223 that was done by the Portuguese years ago. Same performance and quality. Very reliable, very clean. Not dirty on the gun, especially on the AR-15. They actually were using the powders that should have been used years ago when they did their .223. They didn't release very much of it, but it did come in for a little bit. Middle 90s and early, early 90s actually into the late 80s. The stuff was really pretty. It was very clean, bright and shiny, coming out of the box. And couldn't have been that old. I think, you know, the head stamps, of course, were from the 70s into the early 80s, but very well maintained stuff was actually decent now There's a lot of their ammo out there like that also again I will remind everybody 303 British Couple of companies invested in and have been buying it up from some source. I don't know who it is. They go to trade shows we don't and Again Southern, Ohio gun.com Southern, Ohio gun.com Southern, Ohio gun.com You go there they have 303 British for the best price in the country. The only other place where we've seen that has been over with, um, uh, let's see... I'm trying to think who it was. Come on, what was the other one? Do you think the mark's like me in the microphone? Unamo.com. Unamo.com. Unamo.com. But the better price has been at Southern Ohio Guns, so that's where we need to be pointed, if at all possible. Anyway, uh, other work going on right now, things that need to be accomplished. We have a number of other people that are working on Projects, we'll see how that develops, but there are specific build projects that need to be done need to be accomplished for working on that There is a team that wants to get together to build of all things AR-10s, but again shop around to see which parts are compatible with which because there are minor variants in the AR-10 systems just a little reminder there There are minor variants in the system. So you want to be able to do a little read up and then you'll understand what I'm talking about. However, if you do all Palmetto, all Palmetto matches to all Palmetto and to be quite honest you can buy two full rifles plus a lot of mags and ammunition for the price of which you're paying for one rifle from another location. And that means that again you've got a base rifle that you can keep in its original configuration and then you can start tweaking that second rifle if you want to. Or, well you do have two matching rifles, you can, you know, tit for tat, you got another team member, or, you know, another family member, you guys are riding off the same weapon, you're able to, you know, co-train, you're able to develop and work off each other, that does help a lot, so take your pick there. At the bottom of the hour, so whoever has any, whoever you are. Before God read his creed, My rifle at country, Until there is no need of the red goats, What mind you man this village, There is danger, and there's danger in our hills, For here you're not just singing of the view, Though wild and free, Soon you'll know of the rifle from the tree, Oh the rifle, oh the rifle, In our hands could prove no frightful, You may ride a good lead speed, you may know a stern a master Your forward march with speed, but you'll learn to back much faster When you meet our mountain boys and the leader jot a star Glad you make what little noise and always hit the mark Hold the rifle, hold the rifle In our hands we'll prove no frightful No graves at home, back across the brine of water A giddy must come like 12 to the slaughter But if we the job must do, then the sooner it is begun If Clinton's figure hold a buck through, the quicker it will be done Hold a rifle, hold a rifle In our hands we'll prove no to rifle Hold a rifle, hold a rifle In our hands we'll prove no to rifle Wednesday your mind is your first best weapon. I want to say thank you. A couple of our friends have come up, their listeners to visit Don said hi. We're still here as a matter of fact along with many of our local friends and allies coming in to help out, check on Don to see how he's doing, make sure that there's anything that they can do to pitch in, that they make themselves available. I want to say thank you. They're all heading home right now. It's almost time for dinner. We're still keeping the vigil and Don is not able to speak but he is able to communicate to a degree as well as we'd like. But again, he appreciates it and he does acknowledge when all of you called in and said hi the other night and of course we had some people in the morning too. Guys, he picked him up and made him feel good. In fact, he He wants to be in the fight. He'd prefer to be there, I'm sure, as with all of you, any of you in that situation, anywhere, but what's going on right now. But he is a good man. He's always been there for all of us. He is always the kindest person you could meet, but he's not a person to be ever pushed around. He always has been there when there's a fight and it's a righteous fight. He's been in it. And so again, Donald Betcher, who is our friend and our, again, fellow patriot and the person that we're going to do everything we can for for as long as we can. We'll be there for him. And I know all of you are pitching it in your way too, so God bless you all. Other things real quick here, again, weapons Wednesday. I'm going to make sure that we, we've had night before. I guess let's do this. Before the weather kind of got We'll even have little flecks of snow, actually. But the ground guys, I can stick a shovel in. We've had no cold weather. Even if there was some snowy weather here in the next day or two, we've still got a little bit of time to be able to get some work done if you had to get any work done outside to dig or to get even some painting done, which is what we're trying to do. I got a good portion of one part of a project done for Don. And it's just there's another, we had to make a decision on certain pieces. Then another, We might still have to rebuild something else because as we're using things we're finding out what needs to be replaced or repaired. That happens when you're building a place, you know, and the way we did this where we got him his house. And there's still more things to be done. We'll keep chugging away at that. Of course it's, you know, we're obligated. Debbie says hi by the way, Don's wife. I know some of you may not have heard, it's just a horrible thing to find out yesterday, but Debbie has had a very hard road here the last few days. Her son was found dead at home. The county coroner has his body. We can't leave here, she can't leave here, but we've done as much as we can to communicate with the bottom end of the state where her son is interred. And of course, this is in the middle of all of what we're dealing with here. So it's been a pretty coarse couple of days, to say the least. But everybody is holding together. And what does make a difference is the strength that all of you are offering. And any prayers that can be offered are to Donald Betcher and Debbie Betcher. I believe you, well I know that the son was found at home, the landlord, the property came to check on him and confirmed that he was, you know, he'd passed away and of course had the, they had to come in to a quick investigation. And then, well, now we're in limbo for the time being. We'll see how things develop and what's happening. In addition to that, again, If you'd like to send a card or letter to Debbie and to the family and to Don, you can use our address at PBN PO Box 194 Dexter, Michigan 48130. That's PBN PO Box 194 Dexter, Michigan 48130. Or, okay, well, we'll, again, I have to make sure I can use the address. I'm pretty sure I can't. We did this morning. Uh, Donald Betcher, Don and Debbie Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R 21890, 21890, 220th Avenue, Paris, Michigan 49338. Again, Don and Debbie Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R, 21890 220th Avenue, Paris, P-A-R-I-S, just like in France, Michigan 49338. Again, that's Don and Debbie, Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R 21890 220th Avenue, Michigan, MI, 49338 49338 and again if you send a card, a get well card or again a green card, it would be appreciated and again it's a pick me up. Don really appreciates the letters because we could get some cards from you already and want to say thank you to all of our friends for doing so. In fact we didn't even ask, people started sending them to the PO Boxed PBN right away and we want to say thank you. God bless you, we appreciate that. But Don and Debbie Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R, 21890, 220th, that's 220, 220th Avenue, Michigan 49338. Now again, your personal choice, however you'd like, whatever you'd like to send. And of course, always work at sending prayers. Don and Debbie Betcher. and family, of course the family. There's nothing more that we can do for the moment. There are some things that we... some of our allies that are listening in are close. There are some things that I could use some assistance with just because we could get things done for Debbie faster. And that would be to finish up certain parts of the project with the house just to get it done. In one case I'm waiting for materials that just had to be ordered because they were special. It's a unique situation. But other items, everything's here. All we gotta do is screwing, nailing, and cutting. I should say first cutting, measuring, cutting. How about we do that? I cut it twice and it's still too short. That's embarrassing. But in this case, again, we need to just square one or two things away and certain parts of the project would be done and out of the way and finished for the winter. And that really is what needs to be accomplished. This is what I've been doing every day here. So there's always more. Other than that, again, I think I've covered all the bases. First of all, do we have any callers? Let's not leave anybody out. Don't want to block anything for you. Anybody have any comments? Again, you can give us a call. Ring in tonight. In addition, again, we're talking about Weapons Wednesday here. PalmettoStateArmory.com. PalmettoStateArmory.com. PalmettoStateArmory.com. Fastest, quickest way to get a reasonably priced AR-15 kit. That's complete front to back, top to bottom, except for the lower receiver. And then you can choose either an 80% or you can buy Whatever you want to in the way of a lower receiver, your choice. Polymer, aluminum, you can get low like Chevy end or you can buy Cadillac and you can buy Beamer or even Porsche. And I think Lamborghini if you want. That's a personal flavor choice on your part. Now I had to do this by about a $300 kit. I ain't gonna spend as much money on the lower receivers I did on the whole kit. I'm building a basic rifle, a suitable, useful rifle for a specially, uh, cash weapon, uh, grabbin', grabbin' patrol gun, a beater gun that I can put in a place I'm not gonna cry as much about, something happens, it gets scratched. Oh my god, my sweet balls are goin' right, fuck that scratch! We used to laugh about that, because the HK was, of course, promoted as the weapon of choice for, you know, preparedness years ago. Problem is, if there weren't any PTR-91s or any knock-off kit, Guns out there guys you either bought an HK for like $3,000 or you didn't buy one So we'd be out there with the beater ARs We were building as kits a AR 15 a ones that we built from Sarco for you know a total whopping total of about $200 And we'd be out there jumping out of the back of a two-snaf or three-quarter ton truck, you know, and, you know, schlepping through the woods. And of course, the guy getting out of the truck with that $3,000 HK doesn't want to get it scratched or blown. He's trying to be real careful. And the first time he scruffs a rock or something out there, you hear the, ugh! Like somebody got poked with a needle or something. Oh, what happened? You okay? I think it scratched my rifle. And then everybody would have to laugh, because they knew it was coming! You see, they knew it was coming! They don't mean to be mean, but it's like, if you bought the $3,000 Porsche out in the woods, don't be surprised when you scratched and boo-boo it up! Okay? By the way, let me just spray paint it with some cheap, you know, Kryolan or, you know, Camel paint, that'll change the finish. Oh, it's $3,000! And seriously, that's the kind of thing we went through years ago. Now you can buy a PTR 91 for a pretty reasonable price. Or get one of the knockoffs, you know, and use that for your beater training rifle, and then, you know, again, understand that you better make sure it's working. But for a lot of your, you know, field, you know, gunk work, make sure it matches up to your primary rifle. Then when the time comes, your primary rifle's already broken in. It can be a real HK, it can be a PTR-91 upper-end rifle with all the bells and whistles. You just got your other clunker rifle with all the bells and whistles. People don't, they think about that and realize, oh, you're right. It's like that really expensive, you know, $4,000 Air 15 you put together, you know, all those parts are just so pricey. But I can pile up a whole bunch of, again, the Palmetto guns, they work just fine, I can take them out in the field, they got scratched. I might have bought a blend kit. It might already be scratched. Just a heads up, that's the best way to do it. Did you buy a pre-scratch kit? Yeah. But wait, the other one was the same price. Yeah, yeah, but if it's already pre-scratched, I won't even think twice when I get it out there in the woods and I hear that cuckoo. When I wake up in the morning I can see that divot cutting the side of that aluminum receiver where it dragged along that broken branch and I knew it did it but I couldn't see it. Now I can. Where's my spray paint? There you go. That's gone. See how that works. Oh my god! It scratched my $3,000 rifle! I have seen this before. Many times. Anyway, that's another thing again. The gladiose rifles are great because You're not gonna cry as much as something happens to them, and they don't come back when they, you know, you send the infantry out because that is gonna happen. I'm not saying you're valuing the rifle more than the troops, but, you know, it'd cost you something to get those people out there, and, you know, some people are gonna be counting pennies. That's how it works. So, decent rifle, some decent equipment. You make me happy. I'll go take whatever I need if I think. See, here's the other part you're gonna find out. Once we get into conflict, You're gonna find out that chances are what you already built up for yourself You really don't want to switch over to what the other guys carrying that you just killed You know the bad guys on the other side It's like that's a neat rifle But it's kind of a punky junky thing and and that guy's been carrying his gun for a little bit And it looks like it's got a thousand miles on it those plastic guns just don't seem to be holding up that well You know like the like the oh look I got another Trevor It just kind of Kinda tired looking. Yeah, I know. Once they start having to carry it in the real world and it gets stuffed and busted up, it don't look pretty. It doesn't work all the time either. But it's real expensive. I guess that's something to say for it. It's real expensive. Okay. So, again, you probably think, I pretty well know what I got and I'm carrying it. I think I'll stick with it. So I understand that. That doesn't mean we leave those guns laying around. Oh no, there's troops here. Gonna be in need every day of the week until we win the war. So we're going to grab everything and in fact everything off of enemy corpse and then we're going to, well, throw it against their buddies. It's that simple. Another thing about the Palmetto site is that yesterday you have other clearance items. They have a lot of close outs. You need to go through and check that out. I would point out that there's a couple of interesting dies there. One is that cowboy crimp, those cowboy crimp dies for lead. Let me remind you guys that cowboy crimp, that inter-roll crimp. Really works well with military ball ammo too. You do know that, right? Because most of your military ball has that preset designated canelure? Canelure notch? If you use that cowboy crimp of that, you end up with a really, really snug fit and a really tight load. Something to think about there. Now you have to back off, you're gonna have to learn to adjust your die, but guess what? That's your job. You know, you're the one who's supposed to be developing your technical skills and prowess. So you need to make a point of making the effort to do just that. Develop your skills. Take the time, plug in, work on down the road. Next, let's see, we were talking about handguns and uh, I, I, I know. Mark, why don't you promote the American guns? Well, I do actually. You know, I've pointed this out, but unfortunately even some of the American companies that have become bigger, that were the little guys at one time, were a little smaller, don't necessarily build their guns here, okay? And this was a trend that started years ago when Springfield was shopping for a place to build its new, personally designed pistol. And they went overseas. They didn't build it here. You've got to do a little investigative research before, just because it has an American name on it. It doesn't necessarily mean that it was machined or built here in the United States. There are a lot of contract companies. Jerky is picking up a lot of contract work. The checks are notorious for this, both the checks and the slow box, though the checks seem to have the upper hand in Master Machine technology and they are making sure that they absorb the market, they grab as much as they can. I love Ruger, so I'm going to say that again. I hate Ruger, not as far as Ruger the owner, but he's dead, so I'm not worried about it. He was an insult to the American firearms owners. He was a snob. He was a real rat when it came to the gun owners as opposed to the police state. This on him. Well, he's dead now. Because of that, they loosened up and wow, look, Ruger's even got a knockoff of the AR-15. Who'd have thunk that one would ever happen. And so because of that, loosened up on factory Ruger mags, the Mini-14, which they could have well developed and it would have, it did parallel compete. And it is a very fine rifle, light rifle. This is not a main battle rifle, though I ever claim it to be. It's a Mini E14. It's a... It sits into the niche of the light rifle slash carbine categories like the AR-15, the carbine, which is a carbine rifle, the M1 carbine... Not rifle, I keep saying you don't get off marks like this one. And other weapons that are in the light category, okay? The Mini 14... All the equipment you need, anything you possibly want for the gun is sitting out there to be used with the gun. So if you want to change configurations of stocks, if you want larger magazine capacity, if you want drum mags, any kind of optic fixture you can imagine, the picatinny rail systems are out there in force, take a pic. It's just a matter of what are you looking for, what do you need. Personally, I like the basic model. I sold many, many of those. I was a Ruger distributor years and years and years ago. And because of that, I got a chance to see all the variants and the theme. That's back when Mr. Ruger was still very much alive. And of course, trying to get anything you wanted from him was like, you know, chicken teeth when it came to police only. However, the question somebody came up with with a little email is, what do you think about the Speed 6 and Security 6? And those are revolvers, by the way, for those who might not be familiar, they are back there a few years, go back a few decades. But to be quite honest, I like it more than their newer revolvers, I like them both. Now, if you were to compare the guns for the era, the Smith & Wesson Model 10, the official police, and the Ruger Security 6 and Speed 6, along with, say, the Taurus Model 66, would all be comparable guns in category of type. The Rugers were just heavier and better built across the board, even though again, I'm telling you, I was carrying a Taurus, loved the Taurus, the 6 inch, Model 66 is a fine gun. I always loved the Rugers because they were just grossly over-engineered. It's hard to break a Ruger. And I mean break, even when you drop them or you beat somebody with them, the one thing that Ruger did believe in was grossly over-engineering the components. Very clunky and lunky, very heavy. And everybody's like, oh, I don't like that, I love that. If I'm looking at a... because here's the thing, back then it was survivalist, then they decided everybody said that was politically incorrect because your enemy didn't like the phrase. Your enemy didn't like it, of course your enemy made up the phrase. and it caught on, everybody like to call themselves survivalists until then they did the propaganda that was anti. One, two, three. Kind of interesting, am I back? Some reason I might be off in the twilight zone again. You gotta do copy. There we go, have you got me guys? Was I only off for a minute or so? I hold. Very good, okay. Yeah, it just was a heck of a bit. Wasn't here, it followed Ed, it was just in the system, so. Anyway, we're good. Real quick with the Roogers, Over-engineered body the good thing is is survivalist weapon though guys. That's what you want You want components that are grossly over-engineered. I didn't need a lighter gun. I need a reliable gun Okay, I love Smith's love Colts. I love all guns You know that but the Rugers really really would be I'm I think we're the better choice as a preparedness survival gun because again if you have to work on them or down the road if they have to take abuse the more rugged and lunky the part you know the components would be the more likely it will survive long-term use and Ubu's in accidents. Speed 6 and Security 6 there are some companies apparently that are kind of getting rid of them in a local sense in that they were being carried and I'm sure they were carried for quite some time because the way they're built they last a long time. Where you saw a lot of these were the mandatory 38 special security services. Now you also find that Taurus was sold really well there in their 38 Smith & Wesson only 38 Special. And again, each company made a variation on this. The Model 10 was very popular as a cop shop slash a security gun. Because a lot of the states won't let the security guard companies carrying another 38 Special. It's got to be a revolver. Okay? So the Rugers that are coming out, two things. Number one, eh, they're collectible. To a degree, I don't know what the price range is right now. But as surplus guns, the people that are selling them are thinking of more as just surplus weapons. So if you can access them for under $200, I would highly recommend grabbing those. Because that was the question, you know, somebody got a bunch of them. If you had a pile of them, they would make a really, really nice personal defense weapon, but they also would make a really good arsenal slash cash weapon. Again, something you could bury, there's more material available, even if there was a booboo of storage, it's more likely that the gun in general is going to be, is going to still function, and even with oxidation, pock marks, whatever, there's more metal there. It's just that simple. Now the other neat thing is both these guns were built in stainless steel, so if the guns are in stainless, I'd start from up in a heartbeat. If you've got it for our callers, you know, actually we had a letter, but these guys are looking at these guns right now. If they're the stainless guns especially, grab them in a heartbeat. If they're the blue guns, just as nice, but again, there you gotta look at them, make sure that they weren't abused. I can't see how they would. A lot of security guns are hangar queens. They're like for every one that they got that somebody might carry, there's one or two that are sitting in the rack. Maybe they trade them out once in a while, but for the most part, you know, until they switch up, cop shops do the same thing. A percentage of the guns the cop shops buy, guys, just sit in the arsenal and then get scooted out the back door with the next batch when they buy the new batch. Whatever the latest, you know, greatest magazine story is. Oh, there's a magazine story about this gun. Our department has to have it. Dollars will pay for it. With security companies, it usually takes longer before they're gonna sell the stuff because, well, they aren't really in blazing gun battles. Mostly they have leather and holster wear and if need be they'll even re-blue or they'll re-finish. With stainless, you don't have much in the way of holster wear that you can notice until you really start polishing up that stainless with that coarse leather or that nylon as it moves back and forth while the guy's walking with it. So they're a good choice and immediately I would be buying speed loaders. Six speed loaders at least just like mags but I have typically for all the revolvers I have I have ammo cans full of speed loaders per gun. Why? I watched for all those cop shops when they were getting rid of all the revolvers years ago and we bought them for nothing. Like 10 cents and 25 cents a piece. What do you want those for? Oh I'll take them all. 25 and 35 cents a piece? Hell yes I'll take them all. So somebody is going to be handed a revolver and they're going to have a whole ammo can full of preloaded speed loaders. By the way, speed loaders don't lose any spring set or anything so it's not like loading a magazine. 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For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch and tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free you will come and this is your new intelligence report mark kirnke a closer to victory for all our others and behind the lines, 3radio.4ng.com, also on AM&FM micro stations, space stations, and parking, Golden Spike Technologies in west of the Mississippi, along with Alaska. We told you so. Look what they're doing in the Silicon Valley of Piss on America. We need to be building new, and we need to be building our own. They're in bed with the communist Chinese and the Jewish mob trying to screw America, as they always have been. They're showing their true red and yellow colors. It is the 12th weapons Wednesday. It is the 17th. It is the 10th year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a 2000 and an old earth calendar and the 2018 year of conflict. We're not being deceived because, well, you got no rose colored glasses on and we're not going to be distracted by all your BS and pickle smoking mirrors. We're looking straight at you. High-powered rifle. Plus, here's on target. Well, we might need to wait for an order. I'm just gonna pull this. Headed towards sunset. Beautiful afternoon. It has been a pretty day. It's sort of gray, overcast, to midday. Also the morning program. High, overcast, gray, consistent. But, ooh, solar meters were still showing that we were collecting energy, and that's a good thing. This afternoon, partially cloudy. Going right in all the The sun is beaming! And of course we do have excessive solar activity, so it's a hurricane season is all about. And that means we're going to continue to see the major storm and activity going on the way it is. And we have a caller. Number four, New York. Hey, number four, go ahead, sir. Yes, could somebody put up in Discord, maybe Ed could put it up in station announcements, the mailing address for Don, because I wasn't near, I was out on the ladder when I heard it and I couldn't. Oh, okay. Yeah, we could do actually, I'll... all repeated for him and then you can all our kids who are trying to get here right what you put it in the station announcement nobody can erase it they won't get stuck in the scroll very good so edward dot probably heard what we're saying there uh... i'll give it out again dot and debbie or dot and debba pb that's your beat ed wait a second let me get a uh... tenor somebody else can post it night in good three things at once you're not quite well i'm just somebody else In the discord I weigh in it so it'll stay at the top. Yeah, I'll go ahead and post it what which which room would you like it in the general or the Put it in the general and I'll copy and paste it into the others. Thank you There we go. That'll work out appreciate to help guys. I got one of the things. Okay. Well, let's do the address first We'll do that right now. I'm not gonna do okay Don and Deb betcher Bo e t t CH 2-1-8-9-0 220th Avenue, that's 2-2-0-th 220th Avenue. The town is Paris, that's Paris, Michigan, 4-9-3-3-8. And again guys, Don and Debbie, or Don and Deb, Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R, 21890 220th Avenue, Michigan 49338 And one more time, that's Don and Debbie Betcher, B-O-E-T-T-C-H-E-R 21890 220th Avenue, Michigan 493 three, eight. How's that work? And again, if you want to send a greeting card or if you want to send a get well card, that would be great. Again, whatever you do will help guys and will be appreciated. I do have to point out some of you already have set cards and sent them to the PBN site. That's okay. As a matter of fact, I've got those. He was smiling, they appreciated the fact, again people were sending him. Our one friend uses old postage, which always are fun to look at. And I pointed out, because Don was opening a card, said, Don, take a look at what's on the card. Look on the envelope. And because he and I are kind of into that kind of stuff. We love the detail, but especially where it's history like that. So I want to say thank you. Appreciate that. And also again, some of the, all the cards were fun. So, it's one of those things that he can see. He can't speak, but he can, again, still hear and see to a degree, like, we're in the lit into another phase right now. So, again, everything you do, guys, helps. It really does help a lot. Anyway, call it any that number four. I think we're talking to ya know before jumping there Yeah, I was up on the ladder cleaning out gutters and listening to my ball phone radio that has an FM in it and that Reminds me that the FCC is attacking the foreign radios So you guys should get them while you can before they're banned Because now's the prime time to get it and the second thing to get into is they banned the 50 caliber pen on uppers Has there been any resolution to that? Well, I think the way that they're doing that with the 50 caliber uppers is not so much a ban as what they declared and Trump started this BS and now they're latching onto it, which I warned everybody about. They've been actually at this for a little while where, well, it's a complete rifle. Well, it's not a complete rifle because the AR-15 is built that way. It's a 50 caliber or 30 caliber or whatever upper. Here's what's coming next, and somebody told you before you heard it, okay? They did this where they altered their interpretation of the 50s, right? Altered their interpretation of the bump stocks. Now let me ask you all something, guys. How long do you think it's gonna be before they alter their interpretation of that pistol shoulder support that people are putting on those AR-15 pistols? Well, I'm worried about them alternating that and going further and going after anything that can pin on. Well, right, well, see, that's the wet dream for the anti-gunners, is that they're gonna try to restrict it. Well, they know the AR-15 is a Lego gun. I've been arguing, you know, like I've been saying here on the air, all of you should be building AR-15s right now. Piss on them. If they want to try and declare them, I think we need to pull the trigger and shoot their ass when they come after them. I believe we should. I hope they do. I'm gonna tell you flat out. I hope they do. This is the best time in history for homeowners to be able to build their own guns. There's never been able to have this ease to do this in the past. And I see this as a stepping stone going after the 50 as a pin on. Anything else you can pin on would be the next thing in line. And the same thing would be the next is the tent receivers and stuff. So if you guys... Oh, just a regular upper. Just a state... Once you start this arbitrary slope... And Trump started this BS. And by the way, he also made that comment, I'll let you have to confiscate him and worry about due process later. The moment that turret opened his face, he gave you the New York attitude about going after everything. And that's one of the things that... Yeah, the thing about it is, well, you see the reason I bring up the AR pistols, because you see everybody thinks they're being sly. Like the bump stock. Everybody said, well we got the bump stock and they're not going to mess with that. And then they did. Okay, they are. In fact, Trump, you know, betrayed everybody on that and said, yeah, we'll screw all those guys. We'll make it work. Okay. In other words, what they're going to do is flip-flop on everything you already said in the past. Now, this, and this is just like George Bush. This is what I warned everybody about that is now coming to light. But I'm going to tell you something. See, a lot of people have been building these ARs. and they're building them with that, they're calling them a stock support. I don't care what they try to interpret as far as threading hairs, what's gonna happen, or splitting hairs, forgive me. What's gonna happen here is they're just let out gonna say it's a shoulder stock and a pistol. And they're just gonna reverse everything they've said. Now I will point something out. I don't believe this was an accident, they did this because they do want to ban guns and the Trumpites want to ban guns because they're neocons just like they've always been, okay? And if they can go after the one, they already did the bump stocks, these pistol stocks are inevitable because you see a shoulder stock on a pistol. For years they had piston moaned about that and then they were told to back off and then they went after it again. And now, in fact, it was to the point where, let me give you the roller coaster. Guys who used to buy standard Lugers, most Lugers coming out of the production pre-World War I and post-World War I and even into World War II, had the Vanette Log knocked on the base of the pistol frame. Now, the anal retentive control freak jackasses at the county level even would tell you, we'll let you have it, but you gotta grind off that, you know, devaluing the gun, right? But you had to grind off the pistol, the pistol stock knock that's on the bottom of the frame, and you'll find Lugers like that. then people would have to re-bloom and they don't look right. But that's where we've gone back and forth. So right now, you see, you're just idling so they have an excuse to create all kinds of work for lawyers and for the prostitutes to go after these gun owners. But here's the thing. It's another reason I've told you. Number four, think about it. What have I said whenever I talk about Palmetto? Don't go near the pistol kits. Right. I'm going to tell you, I've been looking at them and it's like, man, I could build a pistol AR for even less than I'm building that $300 M4. But I'll tell you again, guys, don't go near it and don't have it even in the house or around. You can have it if you do get it. Here's what you do. Buy the whole kit. Buy the upper if that's just what you want. Take it, put it in a PVC tube, grease the snot out of it before you do that. Make sure if you can put some other spare, you might take the whole kit. Put it in there, and then bury it somewhere completely away from all your firearms. And make sure that you wipe down all the prints and make sure everything is clean so nothing is left to ID it to you. Why? Well, because the bat faggots will always interpret that if you have it, you could put it on something else, okay? And so it's just having it near is how they play their game. Oh, you can win in the long run and you will. But I'm telling you, and as it is, of course, some people say, well, whatever's made because they'll find something else. Yeah. But if we can avoid that, there's nothing they can do about it. They have to start fabricating the line to an even greater degree. So here's the basic rule. Nothing shorter than the standard 16 and a half inch gun. It's short enough and I don't even like those. OK, they're they're interesting, but I don't like them. OK, I'll build it. I've built God knows how many over the decades. To be quite honest, I've told you before, like the 20-inch gun, because I don't want them close, and I want to hit them farther out. Now, if I do pick up an M4, I'm not going to throw it away. And right now, the M4 is the one you've got to buy, because take a look. Go to Palmetto. What do you find the way to kit? The 20-inch kit is an absolute minority. There's only like one, typically, maybe two some days. And if they sell out, none. So what are we telling you to do? Go buy the M4s with the mid-length or the short stroke, you know, piston, take your pick, who cares? Either one, they're pretty much the same. And, uh, ride with that puppy, go ahead. Well, the other thing is... Yeah, we need to go ahead. The other thing is, I was wondering if, but he, but he has made a complete, one station magazine making machine other than a plastic... where you can stamp out your own mags, because here in New York you're getting anything over the 10 rounds. Yeah, the best bet is to allow you to... there are a bunch of really good books on the subject of building mags, and tin knocking is still your best, most affordable way to go as far as for a reliable mag. I know the 3D printer idea is interesting, but again, the types of polymers used, although there is, you can spend more money and get a better polymer. The biggest thing is that you have to treat them more like one-way mags. In other words, you better be cranking them out by the bucket because you're probably going to break them or you're going to drop them and lose them and they're fractured and that's it. Now, let me point something out. How many of you guys remember the Israelis came out with a total throwaway mag like that though? It didn't catch on. Everybody thought, oh piss on that garbage. You're charging the same price you would for a full mag. But they went with the chintziest, crappiest chip they could. Now, it's interesting, you can't find the mags pretty much, I don't think anybody held onto them, and they all thought they were garbage, which they were. But you still see the cases showing up. They came in their own second plastic shell that was slightly bigger than the standard AR15 30 round mag. These were the shells that went around the magazine because the things were so stinkin' brittle. and the idea was that, well wait a minute, I got this shell made out of plastic, and then I got the magazine made out of plastic, but that means I kind of like made two objects for the price of one. For what I spent on the two pieces of junk, I could have spent more money on the chip and come up with a better magazine, and it would last longer. You see what I mean? The 3D mags would still be a choice in that, as long as you understand the nature of them as far as reliability goes, Again, you can build them for training and use a snot out of those and then keep your pest mags so you don't wear them down so they'd be good for longer. The other option I'd say would be tin knocking your own, learning how to fold metal a little bit because that can be done even with plywood and boards and a wooden mallet. I mean, crude and rude will work. The other thing I would... Go ahead, go ahead. I thought of something in between the 10 and the printed 3D. They had the AR-15s and a molding kit. Why couldn't you make a molding two halves for a mold for a mag and make it a printed class? Oh yeah, that could be done. Now here's something nobody thinks about is typically when they put these together they're worried about it being pretty and I would point out that Sir Mould never made a pretty mag in their life. of me but you know what they do work now here's the thing about making a clamshell mag well the one good thing is that if you were able to bond it with a clip or a or a mechanism on the top towards the feed lips the one good thing is if you do it as a tight spec mold you know a component when it's up in the magazine well the magazine really can't separate to any great degree because the magazine well holds it in place how it what you're going to have is separation issue so The way to calculate where you would do wraparound straps or retainer straps would be right where the magazine stops, you know, the magazine well stops, and the base of the magazine. Those are the two areas where you would have some kind of containment or wraparound support strap that could be made out of even stamping, like for instance, thread-level sheet metal and or other plastic to, you know, when you put the clamshell together, you screw it together, maybe you can use screws, there's a number of ways you could do this. The big issue is wherever it goes up in the magwell, you're limited by, again, how much space you have available as far as outer dimension. And the other consideration is inner dimension because your magazine follower spring and the ammunition have to be able to travel within the given distance available. And there's a limited amount of play front to rear and left to right. However, if you were to come up with a solution that would, you know, at least keep the reliability of the upper part of the mag where it needs to be for most service, you could reinforce it with either a second complete wraparound strap that covers the whole lower part of the mag, and that would work probably to hold the tole mag together if there was an issue with adhesion. And then the other option would be a couple of individual little straps to save material where they simply one at the midpoint, one at the lower point. Your magazine cap would be basically just do what they did with thermold. Copy what thermold did. You know, you can cast a slide out, make it lumpy, make it thicker, who cares? But the other consideration, make them only 20 rounders, straight 20 rounders, or even make a 25 rounder. Here's something nobody talks about. Why does it have to be a 30 round mag? Okay, why not a 25 round mag? Make it a straight 25, you know, so you don't have to taper or bend the thing, make it a straight strap. you know, a straight inline magazine, but just make it a 25-rounder. Now, that would be another way to, again, still get more firepower if that's what your real big concern is. But when you're looking at fabrication, the idea is to try to minimize angles, tapers, and fittings, or fix your, you know, fix your adjustments where you have to tune things, or you have to compensate for where there might be a flaw or an error in mold, or molding or finish. In a straight-line mag, it eliminates a lot of problems, it makes it a lot easier for you to take a single tool, go in, clean up the track on the inside, clean up the track on the sidewall, like with a rasp, a very fine, fine rasp, or again, a, hell, even a number four, a stick with number four, just simply to clear off any burrs or snags that may have been there from the mold. So you were talking about, you were talking about cinching it down, it reminded me, a Ruger kind of thing, have somebody contract and make the upper feed lips as metal and then you just make your own bottom slabs that slide into a lock in to the feed lips that are, you know, and there's no long it's having feed lips made by a manufacturer. Well, you could have somebody do the feed lip actually as a, there's two ways to do that. You could do that as a stamping that would be one piece and then you create a mandrel that you wrap the around and then you spot weld it, tag weld it, you know, or even, you know, TIG weld it would really be good. And that, you know, it's a couple of step process, but the basic component could be made and most people wouldn't figure out exactly what it is right away. You'd have some manufacturers stamp out, there'd be a front strap, there would be the two sides along with the feed lips, and then the back would have, of course, the jointer point where the clamshell comes together when you bend it. And that's where you would teak weld it and your fabrication is complete. See how that works? And then that could be molded or could be locked into however you're going to lock it into the cast. Here's another thing, casting. You could do aluminum casting for magazines. There's no reason not to. I just don't know why. I think part of it is that extrusion and folding is obviously cheaper, but there's something we haven't even talked about. You could do a thin wall aluminum casting of a solid body. Nobody's really thought to do it. That would be an interesting one nobody's really gone with because there's a lot of people doing micro-forge work right now. And if you can do micro-forge work and you get your metal molten, whatever you want to make it out of, you can cast the magazine body out of that. And that would include the feed lips then. So there's an idea. Now the thing is, you're only finished. Here's the other thing to remember. I don't care how ugly the bottom of the mag looks. Who cares? It's not making on the outside. It makes no difference. The only areas where I have to have fit and finish are where the feed lips are at the top on the inside to make sure that they retain the rounds, and the external surface to the only extent where it fits into the magazine well. Where the magazine well stops is where my fit and finish issues end. You see what I mean? And then on the bottom, again, all I gotta do is have a magazine plate. And that could be with a casting. I could even cast lips and use the standard metal type magazine cap for the base. And slide it into place. You know, only between a couple of alloy feed lips that are part of the overall casting. So that would be an option. I mean, there's all this, you see, this is the whole point is we don't have to make is kind of like we've been talking about those, you know, like wooden AR 15 or receivers. Guys, that's not crazy. That's just simply thinking away from the box. Well, exactly. The kind of fun is to do a cast magazine like we're talking about apply would receiver lower. Right. I must buy it from you fill in the blank. The only thing you would need is you want a good barrel. I mean, honestly, you know, the upper receivers are all over the place. But that gets back to the issue you brought up from the beginning. What they want to do, you're dealing with a police state that's foreign to the United States that's operating this country right now. There certainly are both foreigners and there are traitors inside this government that are operating against us, okay? They want this. They want, they would, if they could have their way just like, if you think Feinstein's the only one saying, if they could get them all, we'd go get them all. Don't you think for a minute that the Trumpite types don't think the exact same way? Well, after all these laws, and New York guns are starting to look like alien guns because of worry and every time they call them... Oh, the Loopy Garbage are doing to appease the fruit loops. Yeah, they find a loophole in it, and they go, what the hell is that? Oh, that's my New York gun. It's a mutant, it's a mutant's blood potato gun, right? It looks like a gun that would be in plan- You ever look at the guns from the original Planet of the Apes series? It's like some gun that would be in the Planet of the Apes series from 19, you know, 67 or 68. Seriously. I mean, when you look at somebody who's like, man, that's an alien blaster. Really? No, it's an Air 15 from New York. And the California ones don't look any better, you know. California's got the same thing going on, you know, like they got that, well, what do they call it? The bullet nub or whatever. And it's like, and then you got this tubular thing that comes up, so Technically, you don't have a pistol grip where your grip is, blah blah blah blah blah. And it's like, really? So in other words, this is all in A and B S. You can still work out some way to make this goofy thing look kind of like... And their logic is from a leftist end, well, it looks so not like the rifle you won't want it. It's like, now you don't really understand Americans are like, well, they will bend over to try and appease the idiot. Of course, at a certain point, the reason you bought the guns was to get rid of the idiot, and you'll finally figure out, wait a minute, rather than changing gun on us, you use the bullets. If we all use the bullets, we won't have to deal with the idiot anymore! What? Oh, you're right! Why are we hopping up on one leg and rubbing our tummy and patting our head when if we just shoot their ass, they're gone? And then you don't have to do anything other than breathe and live. That's a wonderful thing, isn't it? Everybody... I'm surprised somebody has made a comedy where they show people are... shooting at somebody and they, what are you doing? Oh, I only got bullets and all I got is a slingshot. I'm shooting my bullets with my slingshot. Throw up the, throw up the bullets. That's what we're down to. You know, sticks and stones and slingshots and, you know. Right, we gotta appease our enemies so we can have the ammo. I didn't say you couldn't have this, but I'm gonna restrict that. You know, they actually talk that way. Oh, we're not gonna, we're not gonna restrict you to this. Also by the time you're done it's like the idea and their logic is that they will disarm you by you know, just possessing your property. Like I said, we bought these things for a reason. You know, there's a point at which you know, dealing with stupid is stupid. We need to be just getting rid of them. We get rid of stupid and we are all, we all can dust off our cloaks and dust off our sandals and get on with life. And that's pretty much that's what we are. Look what's going on with the border. That's a distraction by the way. I agree with guys you're saying this morning. But you know what? Why did they start this up again? We're close to the election. It's a way to get everybody's eyes out of the country and again talking about a subject that is very straightforward. Shut the border down, anybody comes across, throw their ass back over. We're all done. No, I don't want to know who you are. I don't want to record you. Don't want to know you. Don't want to put you in a camp. Don't want to even talk to you. Just going to grab you, put you in this nice pretty bus, take you down to the port of entry, throw your ass back over to Mexico. No massive bureaucracy, nobody pushing paperwork, no lawyers making money, nobody scabbing off us American taxpayers in any way, shape, or form. Just grab them and throw them back over. That's it. Now everybody needs to be talking like that. You know, well this is so complicated. No it's not. It's not complicated. What about those children who were separated? Oh, you're right. Grab all those kids, throw their ass over the fence. Oh Mark, you're not, yeah, I'm not nice about that. No, you all knew it would need to be done. Why'd you separate them from the parents anyway? Find the parents, put them together, throw their ass over the border. There you go. Isn't that what you wanted, to keep them together? I believe we should keep them together too. And since we brag about, not you, but the people brag about how nice UN is, get them to the UN on the Mexican side, let them sort after the kids go to. You know, if you like... Yeah, of course, my boy! Hey, vamitos! Get an order of friends for you. I'm not taking up too much of your time, but thanks for your help and I pray for Don and I hope he can muster up and I don't know what's going on. I'm praying for him and you guys have a good day and thank you, number four out. Thank you, sir. No, you're not taking out the... I appreciate you helping. Thank you. And you brought up good points that need to be talked about. It is Weapons Wednesday and again, we are... we have to... the idea is to touch on things and then hopefully, hey, maybe I just got a brain spark going and between number four doing that and any of you bringing the other input to the table, The idea is that we're talking about this and we mull it over and we turn it inside. Now it may not come up with an even better idea. You know, like I said, I don't think anybody has really... In fact, I've not seen anything on... I'm surprised someone hasn't done this. Aluminum casting with tin cans, aluminum cans, has become real popular. And thin-body casting an AR mag would be a very cool project. The other thing is remember, like we said, the reason I said only finish where you need to, ignore where you do not. Remember, the inside of the magazine well has to be free of burs and has to be clean enough to allow for the follower to travel. On the outside, the dimension that is of concern is only the area where the magazine goes into the magazine well. The other thing that we haven't mentioned, but with a cast mag, I don't, well, I think it lasts forever, your magazine latch station. where you have to create the indent for the magazine catch. Now as far as the lip for the panel on the bottom for your follower, you know, your follower cap, guys, just over thick the base, use a tool to cut a groove for the magazine base plate and use whatever standard magazine base plates are available out there or copy them in homemade form for personal purposes. And by the way, the base plate could be thicker. For that matter, you might do the serration on the outside and use one of the magpul type base plates that they make. There's a dozen different types, including the ones with the fingerpul the whole nine yards. So you find something cheap that's bargain-based, and then that for a little while, you use that until they run out, and then you go to another model if you feel comfortable with that. The magazine body itself would be as tough as the receiver. Everybody understand that? Think about an aluminum cast. You know, if you did infusion casting, it's even more, it's even stronger. But an infusion cast aluminum magazine or a cast aluminum magazine would be pretty stinking tough. And it's interesting nobody's even talked about this. In fact, that's a subject now I'm, I'm curious to just pick the more I talk about it. Because, well, we haven't really discussed that issue for a while. You know the technology as far as the kids out there experimenting is now caught up with you know interest and since they're willing to experiment and play with the idea all we have to do is perfect it. As far as the mold for the casting here's the, you know what magazine to use for your mold model? Use a one of the thermal mags or use one of the capitol mags which already are again cast polymer. They're perfect or creating the molds. They are thicker to begin with. The aluminum in that thickness would still, again, all the dimensions would match the requirements. You're gonna get a bit of swelling, which is not a problem because that's what your fit and finish work is for. And in fact, you come up with a plate jig so that you lay the jig in, you run the grinder across the surface area on the outside to make the proper dimension on both sides of the magazine, for instance, for width. and then whatever trimming or polishing needs to be done front to rear. Remember that you have your guides and tabs and those are all cast in when everything else is cast. Now, a 20 round thermal mag, the ones that you remember used to get for under a dollar a piece and then for a dollar a piece, those would be the perfect model for an alloy magazine. Just something to think about there. And again, a 20-rounder's fine. As far as I'm concerned, like I said, give me tons of 20-rounders. I can put 20-round mags in every pocket I got, and you'll never know I'm carrying them all. And can have them stuck everywhere. Look like a pack of cigarettes. A little bigger, not much. But, you know, like a big carton, or I should say a big pack of cigars. Maybe they're... they're chip-a-rillos, or maybe swisher sweets. No, it's a 20-round magazine, and say hello to my little friend. Bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada-bada- So a solution is not just complaining about the problems there. Somebody was asking about springs before, and I would point out that, again, that's one of the areas where, well, you need to do a little research. Now, the quality of the spring? Well, every component determines the performance of the mag, but obviously the follower spring is the heart of the issue, you know, as far as the weapon functioning properly. And so for that reason, when we're looking at, especially the AR-15 mag, I don't know, Victor, do the AK mags the same way. I don't even know that anybody, I don't know that any country made alloy, cast, magazines for any of the weapons that I've seen other than maybe the Chex. In post-World War II... See, the Czechs were trying to break into the Renna Revolution market slash the arms market when it became Czechoslovakia. I can't say Czechs, I gotta use a proper term. Czechoslovakia, a fabricated country after the Armistice of World War I. It did not exist before. When Czechoslovakia came to be, they of course were the heart of the industrial, one of the industrial, you know, kingpins of the German Empire slash also the central Germanic states. and they were out there on the market in force. They had the engineers, they had the expertise, they had the metallurgy down pat, and they broke in, tried to break into especially squad automatic weapons and belt-fed cruiser weapons. They're the only company, or I should say the only armament industry components that were really pressing aluminum into their designs. There are knockoffs, the ZB guns that look very much like the BAR because there are copies of the BAR or variations on the BAR. And the ZB guns that look very much like the Bren gun, okay. Both of these guns, if you pay attention to their earlier designations with design changes, were more complicated. The ZB guns developed based on first being a little over complicated, and then with each progressive weapon that they developed, they were simplifying the design. But aluminum was incorporated extensively. into the design in one form or another to lighten up the gun. And this of course was a big selling feature, problem. The Depression hit. So the 1926, 1928, and 1930 Czech guns that were built, Czechoslovakian guns, while they were actually very high quality, they were also faced by comparison to other weapons that were left over from the World War I era in terms of design and development. And so the Czechs were soft in the market. They couldn't get out there the way they wanted to. So examples of the guns got to Asia, they got to China, they got to also South America. Example, the ZB guns ended up in Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, places like that where they could purchase a limited number. Those countries were developing at the time and very much influenced by the German states and were The others wanted to get into those nation states but couldn't crack the business circle. Of course, Africa was poor in general so they ended up pretty much with hand-me-down everything from the last war, World War I. Anyway, aluminum was there. Now, as far as aluminum mags, if I were to check and see if who had done any research or even built any, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts. It would be the Czechoslovakians that did before World War II. It would be a significant way to assist in lightening up those squad guns, especially with their 20 round magazines or 30 round magazines, depending if it was a load from the top or a load from below. And again, remember those would be in 7mm Mauser, 8mm Mauser, well 792x57 as opposed to 7x57, or in 765 Argentine. The Czechs basically built in contract cartridges that were out there from the German Empire, or the German, you know, the Myanmar Republic of the day. Another thing, also 6.5 Swede, or 6.5 Mauser, which did not catch on. 6.5 Swede did, 6.5 Mauser, it was there, it didn't really get scarfed up, the 7mm was more popular and really a flatter shooter in many ways, and it looked more modern-esque. So the seven really took more of the market. Anyway, so aluminum mags would be an interesting idea. We've also talked about casting other components in aluminum ore and other metals instead of the original plastics or metals that they're presently being built in. And so again, this is where you take an idea and flip it upside down or shift it sideways. there wouldn't be any reason not to do it. It's purely a matter of what you have available, what you have a quantity of, do you have the energy to produce. See, the one thing about polymers is that in the space age, yep, you have this infusion machine, the castings, and all the polymer technology to support the casting of plastic, that's one thing. Understand that metals are far more forgiving in terms of both short-term production and long-term use. Just an idea there. Example, it's why you see slab side aluminum cast pistol grips. How many remember, here's an example of something, how many remember when the French P-38s came in about 20 years ago and 15 years ago? Remember those? They were back in the 90s, there was that plus, they called them gray P-38s. What were the pistol grips made out of? You're you have any you have one of those guns now they were floating around in big numbers because the French finally got rid of a bunch of them and by the way they most of them were again the French grabbed the machinery and tooling to build the P-38 and they kept cranking out after World War two Most people don't realize that arts totally integratable with the standard military issue P-38s. What was good about that? it breathed new life into the P-38 family out there because now the spare parts were available. And the P-38, the firing pin, if you don't keep proper care of the firing pin, typically it will fracture because it will oxidize in its channel if you don't keep it clean, and it was a war time production item. Which means the metallurgy was up and down in a roller coaster, guys. From one day to the next, you don't know what you were getting put in those guns. So just a little heads up. Well, the French, they did a little better. Anyway, call our gym from there, please. Yeah, this is Chris over here in Idaho. I had a, uh, just spring something to the, uh, South Magazine materials, um, this morning. I had to come up the hill to, uh, 60 pound, 60 pound bags of cement and walk them up by a bucket, uh, to a slab that I was pouring. As soon as the water from those would hit the ground, within minutes it would freeze. Here is, uh, Is there any advantage to the countries making, you know, out of metal, even wood, or aluminum? Would there be any advantage to using a particular breeze that we are using, you know, ammunition with the metal magazine, ammunition to plastic magazines? In regard to concern about adhesion, because that's what you're talking about, where you mean contact to contact? You know, the follower jam is, you know, getting stuck or, you know. Right, that's an adhesion. What's it called? Well, you're trying to find it. That's an adhesion issue where you have, you might have dissimilar materials and you have basically a breaking process because of the crystalline structure, for instance, of the metals. This is where we talk about fit and finish, like say metal. If I were casting the aluminum, where I have to focus my finish and polishing is on the inside. Now, it doesn't have to be polished to a shiny finish, but it would be nice to. The better the consistency in the surface of the material, what you're first concerned with with casting in plastic and casting in any other metals would be slag points or casting flaws. So that's why you do a quick inspection and you'd be looking for, for instance, you know, like little overflakes. You've seen this with other stuff that's been built where they didn't worry about it. some of the china stuff coming in where the mold bleeds a little bit and there'll be like a little flag perpendicular, a piece of plastic sticking out. It's a little tiny snag. Well, with a magazine follower, yeah, that would be a problem. You see, you got the right idea. So when we talk about fit and finish, your finish, even if they were just similar materials, example, Magpul makes all kinds of polymer followers that will go in any magazine that's built out there. You can put a magazine follower in an alloy body all day. The important thing is when they finish the product, all of the contact surfaces are finished to a sufficient degree that there is no bearing surface that is going to create any kind of abrasion or adhesion. And the more consistent and smoother the finish, obviously, uh... the less likely there's going to be an issue which is why they're there no tilt followers caught on so quick because they were using the mail these are both in the metal metal mags and in the plastic mags now you know that you're bringing up cement i thought you might be going towards the cement idea over bigger things there's i mean there's stuff that's been done with uh... not so much to cement but there's another interesting thing uh... you know if i had to experiment would be uh... in the viscous, you know, semi-polymer materials where it starts out almost like a wood chip, like what you see with, oh, come on, Bakelite. Bakelite was actually a soy plastic, it's an organic, but it's not a petroleum plastic. They did make magazines out of was a name for it, but phenolic, the phenolic materials like that have been used. They're used for making pistol grips, they used them for making bodies of rifles or weapons, especially between the war, World War I and World War II, and they made magazines that were made out of Bakelite. It was that new kid on the block and everybody experimented with it. very popular. You see bakelite used for insulation and electronics also. That's why it was popular. But it was realized that the stuff could be molded and it would be finished with, you know, within a very high standard without any flaws or blems or creaks or cracks in the material when it was finished. Now, its wear and tear factor was the issue. So the problem is with magazines or making receivers or making things out of polymers or plastics, is that you may have to change the basic dimensions in certain areas to ensure that there's no breakage because where there's any kind of stress, the only solution you have is to bulk out the material, to bridge the material with more material. So that's, yeah, so the upper part of the mag is the issue. The bottom of the mag could be as bulky as you want it to be. You see this, okay, let me give you an example. You've got a couple mags that are built like this and some of these new submachine guns, these little machine pistols. The body of the mag that goes in the magazine well is much smaller than the magazine component that sticks out of the bottom of the magazine well. You know, where the magazine well ends, the magazine is bigger. Now, the only reason they did that is to again reinforce the overall body of the mag and for grip and control because not so much controlling the weapon but the idea is gripping and controlling the magazine for changing. You see how that works? But if you look at the new MP7, take a look at how the MP7 mag is designed. And it'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Again, the internal component could be smaller, and because the magazine, their logic is the magazine well reinforces the magazine. But when the magazine protrudes from the magazine well, the magazine is thicker, heavier, and denser all the way around. The internal dimension still matches the dimension of the mag that goes, you know, the magazine the ammunition travels in. And by the way, even though ammo doesn't probably reach down to the base of the mag, it won't. Remember, the follower and the spring have to compress into the same dimensions. And that's another part I gotta remind everybody remember, that magazine, when you load it up, that magazine spring, you have to ensure that the design compresses efficiently and doesn't bind. You have to be a non-binding magazine in the spring, so that you don't have hang ups while it's decompressing as it's indexing the ammunition into the weapon system. It makes you sickle. There's a little more thought than you might think, but they could be done. There's all kinds of other materials we could experiment with, and wood is another one. And you brought up wood. You're gonna have a wooden gun by the time we're done. Well, yeah, but you could do it. I mean, think about some of the hard woods that are out there, and look at the finishing tools that we didn't have at our fingertips nowadays. So if you're willing to make the mag thicker in the base to reinforce the overall body design, the upper part could be made in wood, even the feed lips could be made in wood. The test would be, how long would it last? You know, what's its lifespan? And by the way, that's also how you test these things. What you do is you build it, you put it in the system, and you run the machine, and you watch to see what breaks. When it breaks, you stop, you take everything apart, you know, and look at what broke. And then you think, how can I, what do I have to do to reinforce or fix that to make that work better? Then, after you've made the reinforced part or the new part that you replace it with that's better material, Then you put it back in the weapon and you start using it. And you watch to see where the breakage takes place again. If there is one. If you're really lucky, cross your fingers, maybe you've come up with the right idea. But what you do then is when you have a fracture or a crack or a break, you look at, well, what can I do to change that or fix that? Do I need to change the material? Do I need to thicken the material area? Can I do that without changing the performance of the thing? And that's trial and error. That's the way you've heard about it before, you know, trial and error. And a mistake. Or fix. Maybe incorporate some metal brackets or straps around a wooden... Here's another idea. Remember, it does need to be that heavy or thick, so what about the idea of taking existing tin can material, sheet metal of whatever kind you got that's already from a standard produced item like a... soup can or a bean can or aluminum can, you see, because the reinforcing you need for that plastic may be no more than the thickness of that metal and they always make it, they're always making things thinner and cheaper all the time. But that might be all that's needed to reinforce the material you're talking about while not changing significantly the dimensions. There'd be an idea, you see. I'm gonna go ahead and mute up here and get back to work over here, but if Don's out there listening, God bless you, Don, and we're praying for you then. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. God bless. And we are headed towards the top, I'm pretty sure. Yep. We're almost there, and today is Wednesday. We got Craig from Forbidden Knowledge coming up next. And if you'd like to, again, send your prayers for Donald Betcher, please. For peace and for strength and for healing. And again, also just to put his name on high and just remind our creator there's a lot of people with concern and love for him and it does count people. It is important. And part of the process of our people as adults, all of you as adults out there stepping up to the plate where we need to to support each other when the time comes. Makes all the difference in the world really does if you'd like to send a card to Don and Debbie again Donald or Don venture Bo E TT CH ER and Debbie or Deb two one eight nine zero two hundred and twentieth Avenue Michigan four nine three three eight and again You can send a greeting card or send a get-well card. The one hard thing here, guys, if you didn't hear, I'll make sure before we go. Yesterday, while we were, the first thing in the morning, Debbie got a call. Now, Don's in very bad shape. Don is very ill. But Debbie's son was found dead, and there's, the county coroner has the body. We can't get down. We can't have her leaving here. She knows she has to stay because we don't know what's going to happen with, you know, Don. We know it is high probability what's going to happen. I don't know that much, I don't say that much, but because of this, you know, this is a woman, the child that she bore is passed away. There's just all at once. So it's hard. And we all need to help to give her strength. We all need to support the family, the frame. Again, she is the family. She's Don's. She's the other half of Don's family, guys. You know, they've been doing together for quite some time. She's been there and supported Don through all the effort that he's made. And this has been a double hit and it's tough. So if you think about it, it's like just imagine. So again, any love you send will be greatly appreciated. We gotta go. We're just here. We got drink coming up. God bless our republic. 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