a big cannon, a small arms rifle. All of this you can see at the USS Alabama Battleground Museum in Mobile, Alabama. This is Craig. You've been listening to Forbid Knowledge. We're doing a touring episode this time again for Christmas. I do thank everybody for listening. If you want to see where I'm going to be at this weekend, you'll find that I'm not anywhere except for Christmas. There's no shows. But following that, in the denier, we will be New Year's Eve and New Year's Day in Chantilly, Virginia. Then off to Huntsville, Alabama. We've got shows coming up in Columbus, Ohio. We've got them coming up in Memphis, Tennessee. We've got them coming up in I usually keep about a couple of months ahead of time work on the website at www.ForbiddenKnowledge.info. So next week I'm going to talk about a little bit, maybe, as much as something else major talk about. The electors still will not have a place to vote yet. They have electors to place the votes, but the results, the actual real results, won't be known until January. And by then we still won't know if Donald Trump will be president, but I will. At all intents and purposes it looks like he's going to be. But we don't really know. See, it's not really over yet. The press likes the trumpet that it is. It's not really over yet. The field votes still haven't been tabulated in Congress, as they have to be in order for it to be declared for Donald Trump. So again, read the Constitution. Believe what you're seeing in the news. At least now people more meet people learning about the electoral college, which is really good to see, because Americans just didn't and were pretty much blindsided by all this the last two times this happened. I think I hear music. Thanks everybody for listening and I'll have to say goodbye now and have a good Christmas. Go to the website and check out our selection today. We all need to prepare ourselves. 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He took off his three-cornered hat and, speaking low to me, he said, We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. 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O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right, freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for once he came. His words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watching tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains out of freedoms He fought to keep what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Gentlemen, this is the evening intelligence report. I'm our currently and I'm Don betcher one day or two victory for all the lines in occupied territories west. They're listening to us. Retreatradio.4mg.com, IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com, and we are on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, Net Hallmark and Golden Spike technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Good afternoon to our friends out there in the great state of Jefferson. Keep up the good work. continue to build because the state of Jefferson is known across the land and certainly in the occupied Californication areas where they would like to kick that out and replace it with Jefferson's. Guys, you got a lot of supporters out there. You got people from all angles. I'm running to people left and right when I talk to California that really like the state of Jefferson idea. So just kind of think about that. Work out just fine in the long run if you keep pressing it. Anyway, ideas, just not complaining about the problems, but hopefully coming up with solutions, and they are out there. What's the day today? What's it like in your neck of the woods? And what's jumping off the wall, please? It's the 21st day of December, year of our Lord 2016. And it was a great day. I wish there was more sun, but it was a great day for this time of year. Barely, barely snowed at all. the 21st day of December 2016. Striped down the middle of the week and all of that. So, hey, you know 1911 in one hand with an empty magazine well and a full magazine in the other hand we just solved that problem didn't we? And if you should have slide release, well hey, now you got one in the chamber and you can say that that's a hot gun, that's a condition one gun, but it's mine, don't argue with me about it. I don't have to prove it to you. But we can tell you for certain, it is a weapons Wednesday, the perimeter need some attention. And if you keep pulling the lever on that reloader you can tell yourself as you top off the magazine that there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity coercive force. Now, a couple things here real quick. While we know that glocks are very sensitive to all hot American loads to the point where we had to have special ammunition made, like 45 gap, Glock automatic pistol, for the Glock, etc., let me ask you something. Somebody sent me another piece on this and I don't know where the hell this is even coming from because I haven't seen anything that really, I don't know where it's coming from in the industry, it's kind of bizarre. 40 Smith and Wesson has been well established in this country now. So much so that it is, again, it's an automatic roll off your tongue, oh by the way, you should have a 40 cal if you're going to collect guns. Have at least one 40 caliber for the ammunition that's out there when the time comes. And yet, there's a discussion and even some statements that were made here that are... Uh oh, did we lose Mark? Yep. Oh, but he's back pretty quick. I'm thinking he was going... along the lines of military 40 caliber, police 40 caliber. And I'm certain that's where you were going because there will be a whole bunch of it out there although US military is looking to go back to 45. Now that doesn't negate all that has been issued and all that is out there. There's decades of 40 cal, forgive me I cut up there because I had my keyboard assistant helping me, one of his four paws hit something. Anyway, the re-numbering this up is because there was an article about how .40 caliber is dead and gone. And I'm trying to figure out where the hell they would be arguing that because at the least the .40 caliber is so dominant out there it outrates several of the calibers that have been pretty strong and around for a century. .380 Auto is still out there in force. And it was to say when all of a sudden the ammo got short, .380 Auto disappeared real fast, didn't it guys? Sooner than the calibers. One of the reasons is that for anybody who did have a 380 and was using it as a personal defense weapon, he immediately scarfed the ammo up and it vaporized off the shelves. Now, 40S&W actually lasted for a pretty good time during this last four year window before it dried up in the first, what, three months? And everything was short. Remember, this jogged everybody's memory on how the progression was. Now, I had to think for a little bit of this and twice now, every time I don't see any logic in this except that the 40S&W is a heartburn cartridge for the Glock family and for maybe some of the other Glock knockoffs and so if they can make it disappear or if they can start pushing it out, then they can, you know, what you do is a snobbery routine. Oh, that's 40S&W. Now, only the Glocks have a problem with it. And it's not that they can't use it because we have 40 caliber, you know, everybody's got 40 caliber, everything. But I guarantee they're having more maintenance and or failures with the 40 cal than they probably are the nines and the 45s. The 45 is always in a lower energy point anyway, even though 45 ACP coming out of the factory, if it's an American load, has blown up blocks. Okay, we've already covered this story many times on the air. The interesting thing is that even Hot 9 will damage a Glock, but it's least likely to have a real serious failure. It will bite a bit and it will warn you, but it doesn't usually rupture and fall apart like we've seen with Hot 45 or in other words American. It was surely not hot. By traditional American standards, it's typical American standard load. The 40 cal on the other hand is, well, let's remind everybody, it's actually called 40 Smith & Wesson, isn't it? Now when they do this, it's built for a particular, you know, in other words, when you build a flag or a banner gun, you usually want to come out with a caliber or you have a banner caliber that's the benchmark for the gun too. Do you think that maybe, well, let me ask you something. Have we had any .40 caliber Smith & Wesson's fail as a pistol? Were the frames of ruptured slides have fallen off guns, you know, flown off guns? We haven't heard anything like that with any of the .40 Smith & Wesson pistols, have we? So, it's not the parent gun, the guns that the cartridge was built for were built for by the company that designed, or at least embraced and adopted and copyrighted, patented the .40 caliber round, which is why it's called .40 Smith and Lesson. .40 S&W seems to work pretty well in the guns that it was designed for. In fact, like I said, it's not that I've ever been excited about it, but it's like I wouldn't have a problem caring and having had enough experience with it over the years. And there's decades now of production time. In fact, this is your 2016, so, you know, actually we're what? Let's see, 2006, let's see, 40 S&W came out to compete against the 10, actually 30 years in service plus. Originally, as a wildcat, experimental cartridge where they wanted to test it to see how people would like it, what they'd think about it. And then going into full production, cop shops buying it in force, that in and of itself always inflates the industry. And that's what I said years ago. It's like, why you want a 40S&W? Because all these cop shops have been carrying 40S&W's. And because of that, that 40 cal is going to be out there for quite some time. And yes, the 10 mils and the 40 cal are one and the same. They're both 10 millimeters. They're both 40 caliber. You know, blah, blah, blah. Bullets are the same. Just case casings are different. The big thing here again is I believe it has something to do with the anemic quality of a particular firearm. And that's really the issue. And so what they're going to try to do is see if they can influence and stupefied the market to pull back the 40 cal, 40 SNW. Because it is slightly hotter across the board in every factory type. over, say, the 9 millimeter, which across its spectrum, you can go with a heavier bullet, you can go with a lighter bullet, you can find a couple hundred more feet per second, you can push out of a 9, but not much. That case restricts the volume of powder and the bullet potential, guys. And without going to a hotter and hotter and hotter powder, which ain't going to happen because you also have other issues with it, you know, again, the, what can you do with the geometry available with the case size, bullet size, bullet seeding into the depth of the case, you're limited. But the 40S&W was out of the chalks designed to be a race car, was designed to be hotter or at least comparably hot to the 9. and be able to perform at least in an average higher velocity spectrum than both 9mm and .45 ACP. It knew the market. They knew the market when they came in with it and that was how they promoted it. But that same issue is what also creates a problem for all the foreign market guns, especially the Glock clones or Glock knockoffs. Because again, it's not all the times it works, it's the other times it doesn't. So this is one of those situations where once again it's like, well you have a .30-06 but you're going to shoot past 200 yards. In other words, I'm going to take a rifle I can take out to, you know, there's a rifle I can take out to a thousand yards, but all of a sudden I have to keep it at musket range. You see? The idea here is they want everybody on the same page so they can make it, they can construct the battlefield by constructing your mind. So that's the only, that's the big question. Is the Y on this one? 40 cal's out there in force. The civilian market will pick up the inventory and continue to feed it for a long, long time. There's a lot of guys that swear by their 40 calibers. Like I've said before, I don't expect everybody to be carrying the same gun or even the same, you know, cartridge. But whatever you do carry, master it. That's all we ask. Master the trade, master the weapon. That way, you're the master of the battlefield when the time comes. Practice, practice, practice, practice. But that 40 caliber, you know, this 40 caliber scam coming up right now, I put the big question mark next to the, you know, some of the scamming going on, and it's typical for this day and age. Now there's always been flam-flam stuff going on. Okay, that's always, you know, to create debate, conflict, or whatever. Or again, because of political profiteering, that kind of thing. So I would just say heads up, pay attention to the horizon on this one because 40 cal is pretty well established itself. I don't think there's any other cartridge that's come and gone. What would be the closest thing? 35 Remington is still out there. In the past, I would say, now here's the thing, there is another police cartridge that did come and go but it wasn't a pistol. It was 30 caliber and 32 Remington. Both of those cartridges were very popular with police guns, in fact with the first semi-automatic guns, 351 and both the 351 short cartridge and the 30 and 32 caliber Remingtons, 30 Remington and 32 Remington, were actually, I mean like they predate the 308, but they were mostly in cop guns for prison use or for police departments. for whatever reason they faded before World War II. And it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it happened. And they were 30 caliber guns, the 30 caliber casings for the 30 Remington. Very successful. Savage guns, Marlin guns, several semi-automatic, independent guns that were made that really competed against the Grand as far as the basic design. You know, it could have been promoted as a military gun. Came and went. Today, 30 caliber and 32 are actual, both those cases are collector's items. If you do run into them, don't shoot any of them. And if you have a gun, put the cartridges with the gun, the gun is not so rare. It's the ammo that's harder than hell to get. Are we having an ad? Or do we need to mute somebody? Did we mute them? I think you did. Okay, very good. We got a caller. Who do we have? Oh, it's text mics. Hey, don't forget that the 40 Smith and Wesson is also the same cases for the 357 SIG. I think in the Glock and some of the SIG pistols and a couple others maybe, all you have to do is switch out the barrel. Great. Yeah. And you've got a 357 SIG, I think the ammo is a little more expensive. But that's a real hot rod. Yeah, it's a very successful cartridge for performance. Any of the bottleneck pistol cartridges have always gone into hyper-light rifle mode. And that's true. But here again, the .40 cal is what they're attacking. That's what I think is interesting. I've seen more than one write up on this now and somebody is ghosting or mimicking what the first person wrote and now, see this is that kind of like bizarre Chinese whisper slash rumor thing. Well yeah, 40 Smith and Wesson, it's no good. You hear that, you get rid of my 40 Smith and Wesson. And it's like, no. And like you said, you get another barrel and you got a 3.57 SIG and 40 caliber side by side. Any time you need you switch out one, you run an ammo for the other. I'd run the .357 ammo until you ran out and then switch the barrel back out to .40 cal again. I wouldn't be running the .40 cal if I had the .357 Sing because the .357 Sing would be the minority cartridge so I would run that until it was gone if I was in a battlefield situation. I'd run it out sooner because I know I'm going to run it out. See what I mean? If I was in a survival situation, the .40 cal is the dominant most common and if I had to drop the gun it's less likely I'll find a .357 Sig, more likely I'd find a .40 cal. So if I had a weapon that could use the .357 Sig, I would switch the barrel over to the .357 Sig and use that cartridge up. That way, while I'm using it, I lose the gun and I can't use that barrel on the next weapon I acquire in .40 caliber or whatever, I at least have .40 caliber ammunition for the .40 caliber pistol I recovered off a corpse or from a wreckage, ruin, or vehicle or whatever. It's most likely to still be the one you're going to run into. That's why I'm saying this is a strange activity. It doesn't make any sense. And there's been a lot of money spent to promote 40 Smith and Wesson. I mean a lot. I've heard the same thing. I've heard some guys in some of the gun shops say, oh the 40 Smith and Wesson, it's a dead cartridge. And you know, like I've told you before after Sandy Hook, You know here my local Walmart the only thing that was left on the shelf was 40 Smith and Wesson and going with that logic here here just before the election I purchased a SIG SIG Sauer P250 in in 40 Smith and Wesson and was able to get It was slightly, I mean barely used. It was a full size, a P250 with, came with an extra magazine. I got it, the taxes in all, 375. And you know, yet a guy had another pistol similar, but in, same pistol, but a 9mm, and he wanted, he was almost a 500 for it. Yeah, it's rather interesting. The only consideration is the cop shops have been pushed back down to the 9. You don't see as many of them going up to the 45 ACP route and you don't see the 35, the 3576, you will even see those as trade-in guns. Okay, I've noticed that there's been a little fory, but not many, I mean, but there's a fory of them, but the .40 cal is pretty consistent. I would also emphasize, well, if you can run into lots more of the .40 caliber, and maybe they are getting rid of it then, well, the more for you. But I just, I don't see that, but if I do, I see that as a step backwards, not a step, that's not a step, that's not a step up, that's a step down. Because there has been limitation, massive limitation for years about the 9. Now, the 9, here's the thing, I've got tons of 9mm pistols, I mean to the point where I don't even know how many I have, I really don't. collected them and collected them and collected them for decades and you know bought them all over the place. The uh... and I'd pick it up and use it just as quick as any. P-38s, Browning High Powers, I love the Browning High Power, I've argued that was the gun and it was for the longest time. If you wanted a stacked magazine you had to go to a high power. The biggest thing was buying more mags and I've probably got thousands of high power mags aftermarket, pre-war, World War II back when they were cheap After Vietnam and all of a sudden all these other stack guns showed up and now it's normal. So in the past if you wanted a volume capacity weapon the high power was the way to go and some people would poop away. Well what do you need all those rounds for? Well if I'm not stupid and crazy it's 15 hits. You know, if I'm crazy and I want to spray and pray around, I'm running down the hallway and just turn the gun behind me and point it down in the enemy's direction. I guess I got 15 rounds to keep me busy with before I change mags. That's kind of nice too. We're going to a gun size. Yeah, more is better. You know, in fact, if it was good enough for Indiana Jones, it's good enough for me. And Indiana Jones in the first movie, I keep pointing out, guys, the first gun that he uses is not his wheel gun Smith and Wesson. The first gun you see him using in the movie in the bar scene is a Browning high power. Don't think so? Go watch Indiana Jones again and you'll see what I'm talking about. And then he works with him, he's working the magazine and then he switches over because he starts getting pressed and he switches over to his wheel gun and starts going to town with that. But in the first opening scene when the door pops open, it's pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew p Pew pew! Just for good measure. A few more pews. Okay? So, and that was about the only one you could go to. Otherwise, again, the thing is, see, 9 millimeter, there's always been a complaint. It's got the same, the same potential as, say, the 32 ACP. It's a nice pick. Got lots of energy, but by the nature of the projectiles typically used, even if it's the earlier conical German load, or if it's a standard round ball that we see today, and the other variations which you have. Actually there was for a period of time when they were offering a rounded head 9mm projectile similar to what you see on the Makarov. Now the purpose behind that was to try and again flatten out the front of the projectile so that it would deliver more energy on target. Problem is the feed ramp and the feeding system on pretty much all the guns they tried to offer it on. Doesn't mean it won't work but it it has some issues with certain guns. So the standard 9mm Parabellum load that we have seen since World War I is basically in a ball round what's being offered to this day with any military. The problem from the other direction though is, and I've had this from several people who have been in firefights in the metropolitan areas, is it is a nice pick and it's hot and it will go through a lot of stuff before it stops. Now on the one hand that's good. You know how I feel about multiple penetrations especially in a riot situation where you've got a throng of zombies and you've got to want to put as many holes in them as you can. But the problem is if you're trying to keep your defense contained and you're using ball ammunition, remember you've got to consider your backstops and you've got to remember what the trail and penetration of those rounds will be. And that's one thing about 9mm. So that's where the question mark is here because 40 caliber they kind of balanced it out. More flat space up front. Plenty of energy, plenty of velocity. And I was never really a super proponent from the get go but it's like it makes sense. It's understandable. It was marketable. And I don't see its marketability disappearing. So, beware on that. And again, if somebody does start doing goofy stuff, hell, the prices come down on the stuff, buy it out. Buy it up. Carry it away. Show them who's boss. Watch to see how long that lasts with the BS they're pushing. And if it does come from anywhere, it's going to come from not the market so much as government pushing that agenda is what's going to happen. Before going farther, I played the Little Drummer Boy. Between the two hour block, Don you probably heard a little bit of it before you left. Yes I did. Did you recognize the artist? I thought that might have been that guy from Detroit. The long-eared guy? Yeah, it's a Bob Seger's version of Little Drummer Boy. That's right. Yeah, amazingly I didn't know that he had done that. I missed it somehow over the years. By listening to the voice, I think it's one of his, as he's gotten a little older, by listening to the range of notes and how he's using his voice. Anyway, kind of cool. Little Drummer Boy by Bob Seager. It's out there. You want it. Never Enough Lights is a really cool video that goes along. This particular one that somebody posted on YouTube because the guy set up a sound system controller to the Christmas lights on his house. And not real fancy, but it is entertaining to watch how he made it work for the song. Bob Seger, Little Drummer Boy, and it's at the Never Enough Lights channel. That's the version you want to watch. Go ahead, caller. You know, I finally got to open that box that we ordered, that M1 from Palmetto. And I ordered the skewed number that you recommended, 23898. And I'll be damned if they didn't include the lower. Lower did not come with the kit. I'm missing all kinds of parts. I'm going to give them a little call tomorrow. I'm a little pissed off. I mean, the gun's only 85% there. And so I got a problem with Palmetto. Did you order the upper? You ordered the lower? No, yeah, I ordered the whole kit. It's supposed to come with the 80% lower, remember? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The kit doesn't come with the lower. It comes with the upper. That was the M4 rifle kit, right? Yeah, none of them. None of the kits come with a lower receiver. Lower receiver you have to buy separate, remember? Okay, well, the description says completed lower or included. If you look at the website. Well, it shouldn't have been because you were able to order that direct. Did you have to send that to an FFL dealer? No, I've got the kit here with me. I mean that looks... And it doesn't... it does not have the lower. It will... none of them... none of the kits that they have in the Palmetto kit section are supposed to have the lower. Okay, because well the reason why I asked is because if you look at the queue number 23 8 9 8 and not in description it says lower included. Hold on here. I gotta get over... well, I gotta get over there. Let's see if I can do that. I haven't been over there today. Actually, I've been so busy. In fact, soon as I get off the air here, we're gonna be tearing this place apart. Well, I'm just saying the item description said... Hold out here, Paul Mendoza, I gotta get over there. Anyway, I'll tell you what. It should have been, the average kit is just the upper receiver, you know, barreled upper receiver, all the internals for your lower, but not the lower, and then all your internal parts, which should be in little bundles. Typically they all come in color-coded bundles and each bundle has a different part of the assembly complete. And of course the bolt carrier should be there too. Yeah, well there was no instructions that came with kit number one. I've got the AR-15 complete assembly guide but that volume two, John turned me on to that. I've got that book. Freedom lower bill kit. Now does that when they say freedom lower bill kit is that just the parts for the lower or does that is that supposed to include the lower? No it's a freedom rifle Kevin look at them right here that's just no there none of these will have if you bought the kit It's like I said many times, you don't get the lower of that. That's why you go buy an 80% lower from somebody else and build it yourself. Okay, well, so the 357 just includes the upper and the lower build kit. Yeah, it includes all the internals for the lower. The buffer tube, the buttstock, all of the pins, everything goes on the lower. It does not come with a magazine. None of them do. That's what I think is always funny. They've kept the price a little down by doing that. But there's none. If it's a kit and you've got it direct, it does not have anything other than just the non-controlled parts and that's everything else but the receiver. The receiver has a serial number out of it. You got to go through an FFL dealer or you build one your own from 80% lower, you know, 80% lower or you know, there's a dozen companies I've mentioned on the air. Yeah, I know. I just, okay, well, I miss, yeah, that's what you get when you deal with a greenhorn like me. You got to, you got to, you got to draw pictures, you know. Yeah, I'm just looking. They do have a bunch of kits, by the way, in stock. You paid how much for yours? It was a good price. I just thought it included the 80% lower. Okay, no, no, no. The 80% lower comes, you have to go somewhere else. Hell, let me put it this way. If you want to get a Polymer 80% lower, you can even go to Bud-K Knife right now and they've got them for as good a price or at least about the same price as anybody else. Bud-K.com. B-U-D-K.com. You can also get the 80% Glock lower, you know, frames there right now. They've got both of them, that's a knife company. They're virtually all over the place. Now if you want to go aluminum, and I don't have the page up for that, but I got a couple of deals, there's a bunch of deals going on with that right now. Palmetto does have a bunch of things on sale, but I don't see any 18 inch. And I'm looking, oh yes they do. Yeah, but they want 600 to get in. Oh, it's because it's got one of those key lock system. Just make me a regular 20 inch rifle and I'll be happy. I got the 16. They're good. There's a bunch of 16s. Like I said, I've built dozens of those before and down the road I'm sure we'll do more still. But the big thing here again is that lots of 16s kids can pay $500, $600, $700. But they do have several different ones benchmarked for hovering around the $400 mark or a little lower. They have a Christmas deal one here, actually, $360. $360, it's a mid-length 5.56, 1.8, twist stainless steel, freedom rifle kit, and it's a Christmas deal package and it's free shipping. So whatever you see, $360 is what you pay. So if you can get it with a free shipping, you snag it with a free shipping. Yeah, it's a beautiful kit. I mean, there's no, these kits come real nice. There's no blemishes, they're on mine anyway. There's no deformities anywhere. I mean, you know, so it's like a brand new, a brand new rifle. It's as if the lower came with it. The 80% came with it. I'm just gonna spit. No, and I'm looking to see who else. There's 80% lower In fact, you've already got all the parts. All you need is a strip lower receiver. If you're going to buy an FFL made receiver, you could buy an Anderson still for about $50. I don't know if Palmetto has any. I don't think they do. But I would point out that there are several other companies right now. AIM Surplus is one. They have some pretty good buys. In fact, let me double check that real quick while we're talking here because AIM was supposed to re-inventory. I talked to them last week actually. So they may actually have re-inventoried already and they were supposed to get loweres, Anderson Loweres, in stock. You almost want to buy the AR-15 assembly guide books because they don't include anything in the way of directions that be said. Hold on here, let's see now. Oh, wait a minute, they do show some receivers coming in. And they've got Profab, AR-15 multi-caliber lower receivers. These are finished. This is finished. This is not a 80% kit. AIM surplus, $70 for the basic model, but I know they've got others, as a matter of fact, they got these in, they probably got the others too. Also they have SKS's and again the UGO's. Everybody seems to have gotten a wave of these that came in recently. And there is a bunch of, here we go, lower receivers and what do we got? Ooh, looks like they got the more expensive ones in and they've got the AR-10's back in. But Profab 1 looks to be the cheapest that they have available right now. That's your AIM surplus. They do have a new frontier model and I don't know how stupid priced that is. Do they have one AR-10 mag in the catalog? They might have mags. I haven't looked. The AR-10 mags have been a problem too. There was a big push and I think the production prioritized towards other processes recently. So they did not make up for consumption. Which has happened before you know they're so busy focusing on a particular issue that they well goes dry Yeah, they don't worry about it They'll just you know tool over eventually and the air then the air can market is a minority market So it's not as high a priority anyway. Are you on Palmetto's website right now? I have been I'm over on the I'm over at aim right now checking on air 15 mags and they are It was the AR 10 mags, and I don't see any air 10 mags available nope Does that person take advantage of it when we told him to do that? He wasn't able to do that. Oh darn. Well, there again I kind of warned that if you go in that direction, right now you can get PTR 91 mags from CenterfireSystems.com CenterfireSystems.com Over-the-counter aluminum mags, military issue, standard German military issue, HK mags, G3 mags, six for $9. That's $1.50 a mag. Considering what AR-10 mags are going for, I can have literally 10 or 15 of the AR, of the HK-91 mags for the price of one AR-15 mag. And all of my mags will be military mags if I bought these HK mags. Which? Or, or, proportionally about 42 or 44 mags and a rifle. Oh, I know, I know. See, again guys, it's not because it's HK, it's because it's a nice HK knockoff. Why? Because HK hates us. You know this. Why? Because they HK and we hate you. We will build rifles and we will not sell you magazines for the guns we sell you. Or we will make a rifle and laugh and tell you we won't sell it to you. Why? Because the HK and we hate you. As it is what we see going on overseas, I think I can understand why. As it is, I'm looking while I'm talking here, there's some PMAG deals. The air mags did not come down. There were a few deals at $5 apiece. I've seen a few bundle deals. There was one that one of our listeners said there was a 50 count bundle, but those things sold out almost as quickly as they had them. 50 count bundles and they sold out of every one of the bundles. They're still a big market. Everybody's moving because nobody really got a whole lot of confidence in what they see going on. And they picked on that like the first people walking through a guns show before it opened up. Yeah, they cherry-picked what they wanted and they made sure they took it home with them and that's exactly what's happened here. There are still some good prices but they're not like what I say, wow. Again, part of it is that we were pampered. We've seen 6 and 7 dollar and 8 dollar AR mags for a long time. Now they've crept up into the 10, 11, 12 and mostly the 12 and 13 dollars for the mags that everybody thinks they want. That's just the way the world works. It's just what happens. You can't complain about it. You just got to roll with the punches. One of the other things about the... We were talking about fit and finish during the two hour block with arms. The one good thing about military mags is there's not a whole lot of anything you need to do. It's just, you know, again, they were designed by, as a government contract thing. Usually people are, you know, their nose is held to the grindstone because of that, and they don't want to go to jail. So that motivates people. It's really amazing how it will motivate them to do something right. Unless they're the Israelis. Then they do it through some third contractor and head back to Israel and don't get extradited for what they do when they're criminals. That happens a lot. Anyway, you wanted me to go back to the palmetto armor. Go ahead Mark. I want you to go back to that skew number, 23898. Okay, hold on here. 23898? Yeah, that's the one that you recommended about a month ago. Right, I'm doing it right now. I'm back, it came up almost as quick and I just punched two numbers. That's interesting. 23 898. Okay, I'm on it. That's the PTAC, temporarily out of stock, but hold on. Right. Now look at the picture. It enlarged that picture now. Is he the upper and the barrel there in that picture? Right. Okay, those two parts directly under that barrel. The two... I think... That's the charging handle in the bolt carrier. Yeah, I didn't get those two parts. They're not wrapped up in anything? Nope. The ones I've seen recently, the bolt carrier is wrapped up in green plastic. And the charging handles, I don't know, they don't seem to wrap those up, they just kind of stick them into something, you know, like the, with the buttstock and the tube. Well, get a hold of them right away, like tomorrow morning, if you actually are missing the charging handle and you were supposed to get those with a gun. The part that you would not get is the low receiver, but the bolt carrier and the charging handle are kind of a, you know, that was, it's obviously part of the package. Well, in fact, even point out that the bolt carrier, an M16 type bolt carrier is supposed to come with it. Yeah, that should have all came in the same box and that's... Okay, well, wait a minute. Before I go any farther, it's not in the upper receiver, is it? No, because... No, it's not. The charging handle and the bolt aren't... Huh? The upper receiver, as you see in the picture, is exactly what I got in my hand. Okay, and there's no charging handle where the charging handle should be. No, there's a quick, they've got that thing tie wrapped through the end of it, so there's no way it's in there. They got a tie wrap in there. Okay, good. Okay. So and you've got the you've got the kid in hand Well, if it's not there you get hold and say hey, what the hell happened? Was there any notation that they were gonna follow up on shipping parts? No, I'm just wondering if they sent another box my people didn't give me the box No, it all comes in one kit. No, no, no, it all comes in one box I've seen them delivered a hundred times over and trust me they come in one box and that's recently One of the guys here bought like about a dozen of one model that was out when it was the cheapest and they all came, everyone's the same, they all come in the box, everything's in the box. The individual parts groups are blister packed like, oh come on, like a pallet wrap. Pallet wrap type plastic, right? And it's in green, yellow, red and clear. Well there's no yellow, red and clear, there's nothing color coded at all on any of the packets. paper spacing, no bubble wrap. It's funny looking paper stuff. I don't know. I've never even seen it before. But no bubble wrap at all. But it definitely was from Palmetto Arms. It's just kind of a... I'm just a little bit disappointed, you know, that it's incomplete. I've never had parts missing from them, but those are significant parts. Nobody pops the box or anything, right? No. No, and you've gone through the box and turned it upside down and ripped it apart and said where the hell are these I've torn apart man Okay, and note the only other thing is if they gave you a notation that the parts would follow up And it would be in that box or it should be in your shipping order via shipping order Yeah, I got shipping order and there's no parts included the shipping order. This says It just says you know m4 rifle kit. Okay? And then go ahead No, uh, text mex. Hey, I ordered a, uh, I ordered, uh, one of their complete uppers once and the, uh, the, the charge, uh, charging handle and the bolt carrier and bolt were in the, uh, upper altogether when I ordered it. I mean, it was, you know, and it was just an upper and, uh, I've dealt with them before. Don't, don't even try and call them. It's almost impossible to get a hold of them. The best way to get a hold of them is, is to send them an email. and they get to you pretty quick. I mean, it'll take a couple of days, but they'll get to you if you send them an email. Wait a minute, let's stop it. Before we go any farther, let me ask you something. What is that tie attached to? If you look at the picture there, at the very end of the barrel, the upper, it goes through where the bolt carrier is supposed to go, and it's just tie wrapped to show that there's nothing there. There's nothing inserted in there. At the very end... It's like a range flag on the left side. Right, it's like a chamber insert. Only in this case it wraps around through the charging handle channel, right? Right. And it comes around and through the bottom of the receiver and then is tied together. Right. And there's nothing in that... If you look underneath the receiver, you can take your little finger and stick it right in the chamber right now, right? Yeah. Yeah, do it for me and then scream in pain. So I know you did it Come on, right cuz the tie wrap is through it I can't even put a you know, I figured there's no way you know, get the tie wraps going through there No, no, I'm talking on the chamber end Well, if you put the receiver upside down with the two little pin pin points are you'd you can actually see the chamber I'm talking about the chamber and I'm on the back of the receiver. There's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing in the chamber There's nothing in the channel in the in the bolt channel. Yeah, there's nothing in the bolt channel. There we go. Okay good and I can see into the bike and see the chamber and I can stick my finger in there and I because Yeah, okay good Well, then they didn't do that. And they probably had some comments or complaints about it being assembled because of the possibility of somebody, oh, screwlessly floating around even though you weren't looking, and even though there's none in the factory area where they assembled the kits, somebody could put a live round in there and it could explode! And so they did the tie thing to show like a safe bike down, so it's like a range, it's like a range bike. Oh, wait a minute. Ah, shit. I just made a complete ass out of myself. Seven seconds, Billy. Yep. Okay, see, the T-bar there. Okay, yeah. That's the charging handle. Yeah, it's inserted. I just pulled it out. Okay, it's there. Everything is there. You're right. Okay, so what I was describing you were ignoring is what you're saying. No, I wasn't sure what channel you were talking about. No, no, okay. Stop. Before you touch anything else, the charging handle then is in the upper receiver. I want you to take and turn the receiver upside down. That's what I did. Okay, now when you're looking at it, can you see a hole where the bullet goes? Uh, no, there's something there. And the reason is because the bolt carrier is in there. Okay, that's why, yeah, I was looking farther left, that void right there farther left. No, when you look either through the ejection port or because you have the upper separate from everything, if you turn the part up that normally would be facing the lower receiver, you will see that the bolt carrier is right there and is in place because it is blocking the chamber because the bolt and the bolt face is locked in can station and is where it should be. Yep, you're right. I screwed up. Yep, it's fine. Okay. No, it's good. See this way you won't look you know, we're your amongst friends and about a million other people who just heard what you said In right now in in Chichitnia and people in Balochistan people in Bangladesh are going oh So it was there after all? Yeah So don't worry, but it's only amongst us. We won't tell anybody else what happened, okay? Except that it's also in the archives. And many other people will hear this. Yeah, well, okay, so now I've learned about the charging handle and the bulk carrier. Have to... Right, and it should be a flat top rear end receiver, it's an A3 receiver, right? It's got the... Yeah, flat top... ...dragon teeth on the roof, right? Yep, just like it shows in the pictures. There we go, that's good. Good! Well that's settled, that way we know all you need to do is find an 80% receiver which did not come with or a fully finished receiver, you'll have to buy that with an FFL if you do that. If you get the 80% then you just have to have somebody help you to figure out how to do the work. Yeah, well I just got this box. I just opened it today. I mean, you know, I ordered this thing two months ago, man. I just got the box from Vegas and you know, I'm going to wait a minute. Where's all the parts here? You know, I'm just sure what happens when you deal with a guy who's never built a gun or has only fired a gun like four times in his life. Well, wait a minute. Let me ask you something. Was it? It's been sitting there waiting for you, right? Yeah. Okay. So it's not like it took two months to get there. It's been there since you ordered it. Yeah, I just had to talk. Okay, let's qualify that. So everybody listening? No, the thing got there in good time. It's just you had to catch up with where it was located. That's all. Yeah. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, I see what you're talking about these little springs, man. These springs are like the diameter of a human hair. Well, a pencil lid. They're the diameter of a pencil lid. I mean how do they manufacture these things? I mean the spring is like the small spring of their stuff. They have small gnomes that originally worked in the cookie factory in the tree. They're actually scabbed over to the small manufacturing site using small bridge port mills that are approximately the size of a blender. But only the ones that are allergic to peanuts. Right. They can't work in the cookie factory anymore. Well, I guess that's okay because you've been talking to a guy who lives in the peanut gallery. Well, here's the thing is that when you, this is what, you know what, they wouldn't tell you. I'm going to give you an example. Years ago, when the M16 was much younger. They tried to keep everybody stupid about this weapon and so the only thing it would tell you is don't get curious about this gun. All you have to do to do maintenance is this, this and this. Do not take these parts off the gun. Do not take these parts off the gun. Do not take these parts off the gun. Well what they didn't tell you is and what they did is there are parts that you will not understand and you can make a mistake and lose and it's like Wait a minute, I'm only taking off the pistol grip because I want to clean the sucker. It's like I can't do that the way they're instructed. I mean I knew better because I already knew I was going out with a gun because I built them before I ever had one. Actually, one of my uncles had many of them but they weren't the ones that you buy in the store. You know what I mean? Everything came back from Vietnam. Everything. Okay, so anyway the thing is that When you look at it, finally you find out like what in the hell was stoner thinking? Well again remember it was supposed to be a plug-and-play gun that you know the you know we were supposed to require if it was done the way they told everybody to do it minimal maintenance something we've had to talk about before and it was it had a particular design mission the way stoner originally proposed it and The .223 gun, the .308 gun was an infantry battle rifle. The .223 rifle was proposed as an Air Force contract. And in fact, when it was originally tested, the gun was tested in .223 .22 long rifle and what was the other one? .22 Winchester Magnum, rimfire. Now the .22 long rifle was purely because they wanted to build a training model, but they decided rather than building a whole different gun, just build a bolt carrier insert, which is what Acheson and Anderson and eventually everybody has built a conversion kit for the AR at one time or another. But the .22 Winchester mag performed as well, basically, as the .223 gun. And what was interesting, yeah, they were proposing it as a survival rifle initially. So the 22 Magnum wouldn't be out of line with all the other strange and exotic guns the Air Force built during that period of time. You know, take a look at the AR-7, the M6, the M5, the M4 survival rifles. Go check them out. Look them out. They didn't have necessarily standard military calibers. They used all kinds of exotic combinations over a period of two decades. depending on what year the gun was made. And some of them were very much just XM guns, so they only made 500 of them and said, nah, we're not going to do that, let's do it in something else. I'm really glad I got this M4. It's nice and compact, it's going to be an easy hide in the truck. It's going to, you know, I mean, it's a perfect gun for my application. What you'll need it when your robotic truck system takes over and tries to drive you into a Christmas party. Right? You kill the truck. Yeah. The 30 rounders are, you know, bigger, just a little bigger, but they're big enough that they're actually cumbersome in ways, okay? But the 20 rounders are like cigarette packs. You can pack them, you can stick them in every pocket you got. Most nobody will even notice you got anything in your pocket. Just get out your mackerel off and shoot the transmission. Yeah, to jump up on top of the roof of your truck and shoot back through the looking past like Arnold. Wait a minute. The next thing is investing in mags. So you're going to have to start looking for deals. I got them. I already got them. I got about 25 of them for $165. Oh, good. But yeah, I'm going to call this my Detroit Equalizer. Well, the next thing is you'll probably need a rear sight or optics. So you've got to pick out which direction you want to go with that. Yeah, well, I'll be going optics. I just got to get the gun filled first. I can't screw that. I don't want to screw that lower up. Well, no. I'm just trying to find what I've been trying to find a better deal on lowers but average price seems to be back up around $50, no actually about $60, $65 again. Remember we had those sales during the middle of the year for as low as $45 and I don't see any of that laying around anymore. But $60, $65 is reasonable. Again, it's a liberty gun that way. You can build the lower and you're all set. Anything else, sir? Well I got the uh, I got the yeah I didn't get the pedal on that I got the plastic bag there's the kids Well I'll tell you what, we're losing it because of the music's kickin' in so we'll bring it up again tomorrow, we'll talk more between now and then Yeah! We got time! 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