December 9, 2016
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1h 10m
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Mark Koernke and co-host BK discussed preparedness topics including portable propane heaters (Mr. Heater brand), propane cylinder refilling techniques using adapters and freezer methods, water heater maintenance focusing on anode replacement, and bargain hunting at industrial auctions during the Christmas season. BK shared specific examples of recent auction purchases including gear oil, toggle clamps, sanding belts, and laboratory detergent, with discussion of potential tactical applications for the detergent in equipment maintenance. The show concluded with announcements about militia facility meetings, range operations, and year-end fundraising for Liberty Tree Radio.
- propane heaters
- water heater maintenance
- anode replacement
- preparedness
- propane refilling
- industrial auctions
- laboratory detergent
- michigan militia
- camp wayland
- self-sufficiency
- equipment maintenance
- tactical gear
- survival supplies
- homesteading
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Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't according to this debate. You read about the current use in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can control. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame traded in your neck. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and simply farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters, your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores. And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars. And you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died. Or don't you have the courage to stand and fight? This service is provided by Freedom for... Access code accepted. There are eight participants in this conference. This conference is being recorded. Please, take a state, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great republic and eat God's given right. As Iowa key vanished in the midst of the Pussycaten, his words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as pirates trample each god-given right. We only watch him tremble to a fate to stand and fight. He stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep. What would be your answer? He called out from the grave. The land of the first. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the evening. Intelligence report. I'm R. Krunke. I don't know what's going on with Butterknife. I'm trying to get him connected through Skype, but it's not connecting. It just keeps ringing and I typed in BKU there and I'm not getting any answer back from him. His lights lit up though. His lamp is lit up now. It wasn't before. So it should be connecting, but it's not. One, two, three. One, two, three. It's just you for now. He was having problems with Skype before though, too, if you're using Skype. So he may have to call in. I was having a problem myself and I had to go back to an older version to solve the problem. I don't think they like our alternate community. I think the bad guys are playing now. There we go, I'm Mark Wernke. And Butter Knife. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories, West. Gentlemen, you're listening to us on Living Problems with LibertyFreeRadio.com. I don't believe we are able to hook up or pass on anybody. No, it's going now. Ed got it going. He called me right after that caller called in and he said, I don't know what's going on. What are you doing? I said nothing. I'm broadcasting the station. I was already listening to Indiana Freedom Talk Radio on another computer over here to monitor the sound coming out to mess with the mixing board to get the sound dialed in. It was playing Indiana Freedom Talk Radio the whole time. and liberty is up now too. Oh, by the way, Spike, I don't know how it's going out on the air, but to my ear you're heavily over-modulated. Not as bad as earlier, but you're still a little fuzzy. Okay, I'll work on that. There we go, sounds a little better already. Of course, could we just distance to the microphone too? I always remember that. Experiment a little bit. Yeah, I'm used to being a rock star and having to get your face right up on it and talk right into it. Besides it's metal, right? Totally metal, is it? Anyway, for all of our friends out there, it is a beautiful evening here in Michigan. A little bit of snow putter just keeps drifting a few lakes here, flakes here, flakes here, mixed clear and cloudy on and off, which is kind of unique too. Call them more like what you'd see in the later part of the winter. Anyway, BK what's it like in your neck of the woods? What's the day today when it's jumping off the wall, please? It is 9 December 2016. It is Friday evening. It is the last hour of the day and the week for the intelligence report. And that makes this Quartermaster's Corner. And I not only completely forgot about Quartermaster's, I completely forgot it was Friday. Regular listeners will know that old BK's house is largely falling apart at the moment. I just got the hot water running yesterday. And so surprise, surprise, I do not recognize the downstairs because the floor is dry. It has been so long that, you know, a dry floor is just alien to me, which means that I can go ahead and start working on the furnace because the issues there are largely electric. Sitting in a puddle is contraindicated for electrical work. So I was off in another room in another world doing a bunch of fine soldering on a gadget that I expect to help me diagnose the issues. Old BK's vision is not what it once was and that becomes very time-consuming, poking around like that, and I just completely lost track of time and walked in the right direction and heard the beep beep beep and thought, oh my gosh, this is Friday. So I do not have the usual pile of stuff prepared, but I do have some stuff that's left over, has accumulated for a while. And we can talk about that and you can bring up anything else that happens to occur along the way. One of the things that I have been doing Since the furnace is out and it is now in the teens in our area, fortunately the positive teens is relying on portable heaters to make up the difference. Fortunately, I am somewhat cold resistant. There are no ill or fragile people around and so on and so forth. So I don't have to eat very much the house. I don't have to heat it very much, but I do have to heat it a little bit. So, one of the devices I'm using and just purchased recently and can recommend is a little device called a Mr. Keeter. This is a portable propane fired heating device. It uses a ceramic element. Regular price is around $90 for these things. Sometimes they go on sale for $80. They come in two sizes. big size that has a double element and takes two one-pound cylinders. They have a smaller size that has a single element and takes a single one-pound cylinder. I think the double one is kind of silly. It's not much cheaper than two little ones. And if you have two little ones, you can use them in separate places. Or if something happens to one, you still have the other and so on and so forth. I went and purchased two of the little ones and have used one of the little ones. Mark, are you familiar with these little one pound propane ceramic element heaters? Actually, yeah, we've had them before. I think Ethan has one right now. As a matter of fact, my youngest son, he uses on a regular basis. But I know we've got a couple different ones in service. There's a number of different Swiss, American, of course, China sport out there too. in the one pound heater systems like that with the different, the ceramic type heating element. Dents, actually, we'll say a couple others are kind of interesting. One is a dense compression coil. It's basically a micro version of what you find in the industrial sites where you see tire changes and things of that nature. All of these work really well, and again, for The size of the package, years ago these were, well the first time I saw something like this was back in 1975, where I saw them where they were brought in from Europe. And it was an SF team that had them, in fact it was 12 Special Forces when I was working with them, and the guys pulled those out of their kits and was like, hey, this is pretty cool. It would be nice if we had more of these around. Well, at the time, you weren't really in the US, except I assume, I understand they were working them in with mountain climbing equipment and things of that nature. And they were also taking, mostly as they always do, rather than taking a standard industry one pound container of any kind, they actually had a recharge unit where you had to load up a smaller little tank that was flat and kind of like a pot-billy stove. really, really squat. Like you took the one pounders we have now and squash them flatter so that they're almost half again the diameter, but shorter still so they were lower to the ground. Make them a little closer to a spear, which is the most efficient shape. And also they're a little harder to flop over. I think that was the logic originally, because you know, the later ones you have, even on the regular one pounder, you've got these butterfly stoves and other variations on the theme with the same idea. and they work, but you have to make sure you tag along that base piece that goes on the bottom of the tank with a few extra inches of feet so that you don't flop over sideways whatever you're trying to do with it, which is a smart thing. Right, some of them stand upright and you have to make sure they don't fall over. Others use the tank as one of three legs and that's probably a little bit more stable. Is somebody trying to speak? Yeah, BK, this is a Halepino. There's an option for those. I have one too. And you can get an adapter hose that you can hook up to a 20 pounder. Yes, I hadn't finished discussing the details and so on, but you are absolutely correct. Go ahead. Alright, did you know that you can get an adapter to fill up the one pound tanks with the 20 pounder? That is again a topic that is about to get to. Go ahead, let me do that. I'll get out of here, I don't want to use up all your material. Mark, real quick, you were talking about them pinto hitches and stuff and I posted on your Facebook a picture I wanted to build for a couple years ago, it's easy to design, so you'll see it. Thank you. It appears that there are some rules about what is allowed indoors and what is not. Obviously there aren't any heater police running around inspecting, but if there's a fire you can imagine that your insurance will wimp out on you if they can find that you did anything wrong. So, the rules seem to be that some of these heaters are qualified for indoor use, little Mr. Heater is. I think some of the things they need are metal guards around them so that nothing comes in direct contact with the element. But they also have tip-over detectors. And this guy claims to have some sort of low oxygen. detector that will quash the unit in a low oxygen condition. I have no idea how that works because it is not an electric device, but they do claim to have such a device. It also appears that using the 20-pound tanks indoors is considered a no-no for whatever reason. Perhaps they're just concerned with minimizing the magnitude of a disaster if there is a disaster of some sort. There are adapter poses you can purchase. Northern Tool has them for around 30-35 bucks. Something like that will let you connect one of these devices directly up to a 20 pound barbecue tank. The 20 pound tanks are now only 17 pounds after they added the little widgets to them a few years ago. and be aware that many of the vendors fill them only to 15 pounds and charge you for 17, but be that as it may, that is a diversion. You can get these hoses and adapters. It's perfectly legitimate to use them, but you're not supposed to use them indoors. That means that, you know, garages, sheds, work sites, athletic events, you know, that sort of stuff there. They are fine, but you're not supposed to use those indoors. So not being an inveterate rule follower I am a little bit surprised at myself that I'm actually following the rules in this matter. So I am using only this device, even though it's a little more expensive than the bolt-on circular styles. And I am not using one of those adapters. I am using one pound cylinders. Now, if you use one pound cylinders of propane and you actually go buy those in the store, they're going to get expensive pretty fast. Those things run anywhere from about $3 to $6 a piece depending on where you buy them. One cylinder will run this heater about four, four and a half hours on low. The manufacturer claims more than that, but that's not what I find to be the case. And on high, which is 9,000 BTU, that's quite a lot of heat actually, and comparable to these small kerosene. It will empty a cylinder in somewhere between one and a half and two hours. So you can go through an awful lot of one pound cylinders in a day. if you're doing a lot of heating. What is a way around this? Well, for anywhere from $13 to $20 you can buy a little machined brass adapter that will screw into a barbecue tank and allow you to refill one pound disposable cylinders. And I am doing that. There is some technique to doing that and I have discovered from other people many, many. How are you trying to speak? Yes, this is Fluffy. Go ahead. I had one of those adapters myself and with a little experimentation I discovered that what was recommended to me about turning the tank over so that gravity helps fill the smaller container, the tank does seem to work the best. You can usually use bricks, cinder blocks to raise the tank enough to do this. Yes, it's absolutely required that you run them upside down. That's not just a matter of gravity, it's also a matter of gas state. When you connect these tanks and open the valves and so on, If you have connected the little propane tank to that adapter and the big propane tank is sitting underneath it, all that is flowing in the little tank is gas. You really want liquid propane to flow in there because there's an enormous difference in the amount of mass that you are moving. So you definitely want to invert the whole thing before you open the tank on the barbecue tank. And I just hold it in my lap and listen to it and shut off the valve when it quits making hissing and gurgling noises. Now, this is part of the instructions on the adapter. There are, however, additional things you need to know. One is that if you simply do that straight, that is, you simply screw the little guy in, turn it over, open the valve, listen for it to stop, and then close the valve, you will discover that you're really only putting typically about a quarter to one-third of the capacity of the one-pound cylinder in there. That's because the pressure equalizes and the gas cools on, you know, expansion through the valve and so on and so forth. And it's kind of a pain. There are some ways around it. One of them is that you can buy fancy gadgets that are manufactured for the purpose. There is a company that will sell you a $40 kit that consists of a little stand so you don't have to hold the barbecue tank in your lap. and a bunch of hoses and valves and stuff like that. And they're own one pound cylinders and they charge 40 bucks for this whole kit in a single special one pound cylinder and they are machined around a little bit with an extra valve in there so that they are not compatible with your one pound disposable cans. It sort of defeats the purpose of the thing but it does let you dispense propane into one pound cylinders even though it's their one pound cylinder. The whole kit costs 40 bucks, includes one pound cylinders and additional of their one pound cylinders is 12 bucks apiece. So that'll still save you money if you do these things a lot, but it's an awfully expensive route. What we want to do is we want to use those disposables over again. We can do that. Here's a trick. People have advocated putting the little cylinders in the freezer before you fill them. That's almost correct. Don't bother putting these things in the freezer if they are fully empty. Just go ahead and do your regular fill and don't be surprised if you get a quarter to a third capacity and it stops filling. That's pretty much what you've got to expect. What you then do is once you've got it a quarter to a third full, then you put it in the freezer, chill it for 20, 30 minutes, and then do it again. And surprise, surprise, that sucker will just fill all the way up. The reason for that is that when you've got some propane in the little one pound cylinder, then you've got more thermal mass. And chilling it in the freezer will drop the pressure. Then when you connect it up to your barbecue tank, invert it, open the valve, all that kind of good stuff. It will just suck the propane right out of that barbecue tank, and you will actually get a full cylinder. So if you really want to get practice at this stuff and do it in the most efficient possible fashion, do not completely empty your one pound tanks. Run them down to a third or a quarter or something, and then take them off of the torch or the heater or the stove or whatever you're doing. Then pop them into the freezer 20, 30 minutes, connect them up, refill them all the way. in a single pass, you will get them full. So if they're all the way empty, you're going to fill them a little bit, you're going to chill them, and then you're going to fill them the rest of the way. If you get really smooth and polished at it, you just don't empty them all the way. Chill them once. fill them, you'll be all set. It's actually not a great deal of fuss and bother. There is one other thing that I will recommend, and that is that these disposable propane tanks are cheap. That is, they are cheaply manufactured. They cost you a lot, but they are cheaply manufactured, and for all we know, they're probably made in China now at this point. The valves in them are garbage. They do not hold up very well. If you fill a little one pound cylinder, there is a very, very good chance the darn thing is not going to seal quite right. It's not going to gush and spray all over the place. But if you put it up to your ear, you'll probably hear a little hissing sound. In my experience, there's about a 50-50 chance that one of these little one-pound cylinders is going to sit there hissing and sizzling a little bit and letting some propane out. You don't want that sitting around inside your house. In theory, enough could leak out and pull and puddle at a low point to cause a problem. In practice, I don't think so, but in theory it could. There is a fix to this and it's a simple fix. I ordered some devices called a POL cap. OK, POL is the abbreviation for propane. I'm not sure where exactly the letters POL came from. But you can buy a little brass cap with a gasket in it that threads onto standard propane cylinders. And if you do that, then it doesn't really matter whether the little valve in the disposable cylinder is perfect or not. because screwing this brass cap down on it and giving it a good twist, just finger tight good twist, will prevent any further leakage even if the valve is not quite there. And you just don't take the brass cap off until you're going to screw it into the heater or the torch or whatever it is that you're going to do. You can pay way too much for these things. I found a vendor that sells them for something in the order of two and a half to two seventy five something along those lines and the shipping was not bad. It was you're going to have to Google around for this, but it was lazy something. I do not have notes prepared in this because of my discombobulation this evening, but it was lazy something RV supply. And this is one vendor that actually had a decent price on the caps and did not gouge on the shipping. So what you're looking for is a device called a POL cap. They are manufactured of machined brass. They do have a gasket inside, though the description doesn't say so. And they do a great job of sealing the cheap, crappy little valves on the disposable one-pound cylinders. A quick summary of all of this stuff if you want to make good use of the propane is do not completely empty your little one pound cylinders. Run them to the freezer. Fill them with the device. If you've done this in that fashion, then they will fill completely. Use little POL caps and you're good to go. that will let you pay the 20 pound price on propane rather than the 1 pound price on propane. It will require a little bit of investment in the form of one fill adapter and a handful of these little POL caps. But with that small amount of investment, you are good to go and it will work and it's not going to sit there dribbling propane all over your closet or your kitchen or wherever it is you are using these cylinders. So, Thomas... Yes, Harbor Freight has them, Northern Tool has them, I've seen them in farm supply stores. Those used to be a difficult thing to find, they are very, very common now. So you're quite correct. And I doubt that there's any significant difference in quality from one vendor to the next. It's probably all one manufacturer supplying all of those vendors, truth be told. I don't know that for a fact, but that's mice or mites. Anybody else have anything to add on this topic? and propane pig, but it was a tiny one. And it was designed to be a little more stable. And also, again, almost, it was three times the thickness of a frisbee. So think about the diameter being wider, and so it was more stable, less likely to flop over inside a nylon tent or things of that nature. Because originally these were used, or were a big, big deal when they came out with mountaineering and backpacking crews, especially the ones who were making big, you know, big marks for the big mountains. So it's a neat idea. Now it's become very egalitarian and quite affordable. The big thing is affordability. You can actually go out and buy them and not spend your life savings on the process. Don't have a tent but I've got a great heater. Well, that's changed. Anyway, go ahead BK. Okay. So, let's see. I guess that exhausts the little Mr. Heater thing. Other lessons I have learned recently, very expensively, I'm going to try to save you guys a bit of time and hassle by learning from my mistakes. Water heaters have a device inside them called an anode. This is a sometimes aluminum, sometimes magnesium rod. It sticks down into the water heater on the inside. It is not a highly visible thing, but there's generally a nut or something exposed somewhere on the top of the water heater. The purpose of the anode is to prevent or slow corrosion in the exposed portions of the tank. Not all portions of your water heater are properly corrosion protected by, you know, glass or paint or epoxy or anything of that sort. The standard thing happened to my old water heater. It rotted through at the junctions. Probably because old BK did not know about the anodes. An annual maintenance item you should add to your household list. is to not only turn off the shut-off valve on your water heater, to make sure that that works. Mine barely worked. I had to do the Gorilla thing and the Armstrong thing for half an hour with a massive bicycle wrench just to get it to close most of the way. It had gotten so credit up with calcium deposits and so on. So you do want to operate your shutoff valve at least once a year to make sure that the thing's still working and to knock some of the corrosion and crud off of there. But you turn off that shutoff valve, turn off your water heater, and unscrew and pull out that anode and take a look at it. you will find that it is basically a steel rod surrounded by aluminum or magnesium or zinc as mentioned. If your anode has gotten to the point where any of the steel rod inside is exposed, you want to replace that thing ASAP. If you do that, your water heater will probably last you 20, maybe even 30 years. If you fail to do that, then you may find that that three to... six-year estimate the manufacturer gives is probably accurate. One of the differences between the 3, 6, and 10 years is that the 10-year models they put two of those anodes in. So that gives you a pretty good idea of how long they expect the anodes to last. If they take you from a six year to a 10 year rating, largely by giving you exactly the same water heater and putting a second anode in there, well, we can kind of figure out what they're up to. So I would encourage everybody to add this stuff to their annual maintenance list. You will save an enormous amount of hassle and a moderate amount of expense. Do just a few things. Turn off that valve, make sure the valve works, shut down the water heater, pull the anode and inspect it every year and swap it if necessary. You will vastly increase the service life of your water heater. Was somebody trying to talk? Yeah, I used to drain mine once a year when I had a house. I used to drain it all the way and you could see all the crap come out of the, you know, you could see all the stuff come out of it. all the batch stuff. Right, if the valvine yours is positioned correctly so that stuff can come out when you drain it, then by all means do drain it and get that stuff out. If stuff does not come out, don't worry too much about that. It's a nice thing to get that cleared out, but it's not something to obsess over. But yeah, definitely if dumping that out clears some sediment and debris. It is a good thing to get that sediment and debris out of there as well. You're quite right. Anything else? Yeah, I just used a garden hose and stuck it and ran it out to the curb and drained everything, you know. Chances are in most applications nowadays, especially the way the codes are, water heater ought to be just sitting a couple of feet away from a drain if it's in a basement. So, you know, a lot of people won't even have to do that. You know, just open the valve and let it dump on the floor and it'll, you know, swirl right down the drain there. But if you see chunks of stuff in there, by all means, feel free to and flush that out and get rid of it. It's not doing any good. There's some debate about how much harm it does you, but it's clearly not doing any good and wouldn't hurt to get that out of there. Okay. Any other suggestions, questions, etc.? Okay. All right. We are coming up on Christmas in about, what, three weeks? Okay, I just I gotta here we go you're back you disappeared for a minute there, okay? We have you go ahead The answer to the question is anode removal does not require draining You just have to shut off the shutoff valve, but if you're down there fooling around with it anyway It wouldn't be a bad idea to drain it because you know if you're standing there, and you're you know We are approaching Christmas season. Lots of people will be obsessing over that. They will be out shopping for red and green colored things and tasty little food items and all that kind of good stuff. Just as we encourage people to shop counter-cyclically by summer clothing in the winter by winter clothing in the summer, I would suggest to people that they resist the Christmas buying urge and keep their eye out for all the other stuff that you can get. For example, Old Butter Knife is a bit of an auction pervert. I keep an eye on a number of these industrial auction sites and do a little bit of bottom fishing here and there. I never pay a whole lot for anything I bid on. Which means that I tend to actually get things very rarely. I probably win only 10% of the items that I actually bid on because somebody else is willing to pay more. But by bottom fishing every once in a while you get a bargain and bargains over time add up. For example, the furnace work I'm doing right now requires a 24 volt transformer. I just happen to have one because I've seen these things going past and could not resist. So these things do come in handy. As everybody is out there shopping, they may not be watching the auctions as intensely as they have. and therefore you may have less competition and you may find some bargains. So just to illustrate some of the things that I've gotten in recent weeks as examples, these are not bragging, these are illustrative examples of the sorts of things one can stumble across as they say a blind pig gets a truffle once in a while, right? I have picked up a couple of one gallon jugs of some material called Super Lube. No, this is not an adult product. This is Gear Oil. It is S-A-E. Was it 140 ish or so something along those lines it is thick gooey gear oil Stuff goes for 20 to 30 dollars a gallon. I paid four dollars for each of those two gallons Pol is always of value even the really goopy stuff. You would not want to use that for weapons use But there are a lot of applications that you would, for instance, in a differential, in a gear chain, perhaps in some portions of a machine tool. Not in the spindles, of course, but, you know, in some areas. stumbled across a toggle clamp. What is that? It is a lever-operated clamp. It's not all that dissimilar in basic functioning principle to the familiar reloading press, but it's a little device. You can screw it down to a piece of wood or steel or whatnot. Industrially, it's used for clamping work pieces in place. If you're setting up a production jig, or if you're really just squeezing the heck out of something that you're clamping up for gluing, I suppose you could use it for that. Cheap ones are available for $20 to $30. This one is rated however up to 7,500 pounds, goes for something on the order of $150. Old Butter Knife paid $8 for this thing. Woohoo, I am a happy camper. I picked up a whole box full of sanding belts. for a whopping $5. Now these are not a size of sanding belt that I have a belt sander for, but I don't care. A belt can simply be sliced apart, and I've got squares of sandpaper for practically nothing. There's not a lot of bidding on these things because people look at that and they say, oh well, my sander is not that size. Or I don't have a belt sander, or whatever the case may be. I just look at that as sandpaper and say, okay, I paid five bucks. I've got this whole, you know, two foot by two foot by two foot box full of sandpaper. All I have to do is cut it, you know, a few times and I've got these squares. I don't care if it came in a belt originally. Five bucks for that. You know, can't touch that. Here's another one. Now this is an oddball. People who have taken advanced placement chemistry will recall from their high school lab days something called laboratory detergent. Have you heard of this stuff, Mark? stuff used in glassware in chem labs. Oh, I haven't seen any in a while though. You've actually found some of it as well. I believe it. Go ahead. Oh yeah, yeah. Most people do not understand that the detergent you buy in a grocery store is incredibly watered down, whether it's liquid or dry, doesn't matter. There's all kinds of stuff in there that is not detergent. There are bulk fillers, there are brightening agents in the laundry style detergent, there are perfumes, there are anti-caking agents, there's all kinds of stuff. Some of them have legitimate purposes, some of them simply bulk it up so that the housewives think they're getting a better deal than they really are. And that's why you have to use a whole cup full of stuff when you're running a load of laundry, for instance. Laboratory detergent is the exact opposite. The chemists do not want all sorts of mystery materials floating around in their labs, leaving residues behind on their glassware. What they want is detergent that will get their glassware as clean as possibly can, will rinse off, and will not leave any residues. So, yes. And so what they get is this detergent that's got absolutely no adulterants in it. As a result, it is incredibly concentrated. If you want to scrub out a beaker or a flask or whatnot, the amount of this detergent you use would be properly distributed with a little cocaine spoon or something along those lines. Use a tiny little bit of this stuff And you're astonished at how effective it is because we are also accustomed to products that are all full of fillers and junk and inert ingredients. Just look at the label. You'll see inert ingredients. They're vague about them, but they're there. Laboratory detergent is 100% active ingredients, no inert ingredients. And it's pricey as I'll get out like anything else intended for the lab. So I'm not suggesting that you're necessarily going to run across this stuff, but hey, I did. I picked up five. four pound jugs of this stuff. So it's twenty pounds total and I think I paid about twenty dollars for the whole lot. Whereas those four pound jugs go for about fifty bucks a pop. You know, standard retail price. So... I'm happy about the cost on that. The other thing is that laboratory detergent of this sort may very well be useful tactically in that people have had experience with regular detergents saying, gee, I wash my camis in this regular detergent, and it lights up like a light bulb under infrared or ultraviolet. or whatever the case may be, because it's got all these brighteners and various ingredients and things like that. They have suggested this, that, and the other sort of soap. Use fell snap, use this and that and something else. I wouldn't be surprised if laboratories detergent did not do the job. I would also be surprised if your laundry, if your automatic washing machine required more than about a teaspoon per load of this, which would make it actually a little bit more cost effective than it would be at first blush. If we know anybody that's heavily into night vision, hint hint, and they are in an experimenting mode, maybe I should get them a few ounces of this stuff and see what effect it has on chemi, see whether this is useful as a specialty detergent specifically for fabrics that we do not want to be visible under night vision. What do you think Mark? Well it's interesting because number one it is designed as we said to be neutral. It also is supposed to be spot resistant. In other words, they can't leave film or residue and typically it sloths quite effectively from the surface areas that are cleaned. Right, it's not designed for fabrics but it is designed to rinse off 100% as much as possible. Right, and glass is normally used again, laboratory glass, laboratory high temp plastics that are used for other processes. So one of the interesting things about it is, yes, it would be interesting to experiment with it in a cleaning kit, to use it in a, you know, make up a micro cleaning kit with gauze and, well actually, a micro filament cloth of some kind. You can't have it abrasive, you don't want it abrasive. But you want to be able to do maintenance on especially lenses in the field is a big problem because people do have a tendency to not think and grab something with sand, grit and debris or they've also, use some water. Well, it'd be nice to actually have a small packet or kit together for cleaning and maintenance of the optics, forward optics especially on most of the equipment because that's where it takes the mud. It takes the weather and takes the dirt. So that would be worthwhile. That would be an interesting experiment. In fact, we have some equipment we can experiment on right now. The thing is coming up with a small little container, a little bottle, something that's going to stay locked, stay sealed. A little medicine bottle would probably be work, a fluid medicine bottle. And then Q-tips, maybe a hand, like I said, gauze might be your best choice, some of the ultra-fine gauze. Silk is nice and silk is actually becoming quite available from China right now. In fact, Nancy just ran into some interesting stuff at the all places of Dollar Tree where silk and wool was showing up. So that's a consideration because again you got to get down into the contact areas around where the lens is mounted. You certainly don't want to scruff or appraise and you don't want to leave splotching on the collection surface. So this would be a good choice. And again, pretty reasonably priced, a little bit goes a long way. The big thing is you don't need to, you don't need that much, but if you did have it, you can probably be able to share with more than a few people with still not really exhaust your supply for the need. I don't think our high school chem lab went through half of a one pound container in an entire year. Yeah. In fact, some of the, well of course, say, auto-claving and all the other stuff that's done with certain labs, even though they may be high volume research labs, the little bit goes a long way. The big thing is again, the container itself. It has to be able to not be affected by the chemicals that are stored, so we'd have to find a little bit more about that. Is it presently a plastic or a glass container? These are plastic jugs. These are four pound plastic jugs. So it can handle it, the polymers can handle it. The big thing is finding something that would be small so it would be convenient. And then putting all of that into yet another container for safety and, you know, again, preservation. Keep it safe. Keep it safe. Well, if I sent some up your way or Don's way or something for testing, I'd just put it in a little, you know, pill jar or something along those lines. That would be more than enough to test out the principle. Our best choice would be to send it right to Don because we have a number of thermal units right now that we're doing maintenance on. If it isn't in experimenting mode, then yeah, you should do that. In fact, that would be our first best choice because we are going to be doing maintenance and we'll probably even film it. We'll say, hey, this is what you have to do to actually do proper maintenance on the equipment in the field, basically preventative. Also again stuff just gets slopped up guys you're gonna be living out there That's the one thing we need to remember your equipment's gonna be out there living with you now You get really real used to the idea of being protective of it, but no matter how hard you try It's some point you got to get out of the box and when you get it out of the box It gets dirty. Yeah, bear in mind that this stuff is intended to get various ancendri chemicals off of laboratory glassware. I would not want to try this out on optics. It might do a good job of removing the coatings. Yeah, exactly. That's what we need to find out a little bit more. Again, the big thing is the The number of pieces of equipment that need to be, well actually have maintenance done, it may be useful even working with some of the metals and then other fine pieces of equipment. Because we need something that's not a lubricant and we can't use a bore type cleaner. So it has to be a highly efficient soap, you know, it has to be a highly efficient detergent of some kind. And this might fit the use, cleaning up threaded areas. Needless to say, after you do the wash, you actually do an application rinse. But we're not talking sloughing or anything. We're talking about the idea to take whatever material you've applied and ensure that it's probably diluted off to the point of not being a possible threat in any way with long-term exposure to the materials. That's the only other thing with any kind of cleaning agent, no matter what it is, is if it's left, an application if it's left and it's not diluted or sloughed off, It may have some kind of reactive effect depending on the detergent that's used and the metals that it's been applied to or the plastics or the glass that it's been applied to. If you're using something that's water soluble, make really, really sure that you rinse it off with distilled water when you're done and get it dry, dry, dry. We might do a small amount of lubrication afterwards, but in many cases we don't really want the oil products near many of the finer pieces of equipment like this. And because of the electronics, and again oils in many cases, the finer oils are penetrating oils. And what this may also do is it may inadvertently compromise the water seal. We're talking micro-technology here, guys. There are so many things that can go wrong, simply because one part of the industrial mechanism available reacts to something else that you really didn't think through or you didn't realize, wow, I didn't think it would do that. Everything has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system. Everyone has a water seal system feed of water. It's like you're not probably going to take it there. But remember, in order to do that, it actually has a seal system. They've used some form of polymer. We don't know which. We could talk to the company and find out. But that's where, again, what you're using to do maintenance with on the equipment, you need to do a background on that too. Now is the time to do it. We don't want to worry about it later and find out we made a mistake. Now we can do it while we're in the leisure of peacetime for the moment. And then we can develop our technology accordingly. But this is a good solution, especially, again, it's a concentrated form. Remember, less material carried for proper end result. That's always crucial. Go ahead. Well, that's about what I've got. This is pretty good for an emergency ad lib. I had completely forgotten that it was Friday and everything, and these are leftover topics. I will repeat, however, the main point of this last cycle, and that is that while everybody else is out doing Christmas shopping, keep watching the stuff that we watch all year, especially the industrial auctions, things like that. You may get some bargains as everybody is distracted by all of the holiday stuff. If you keep your eye on the ball, you may pick up some of the low-hanging fruit. That's mixing metaphors, but that's where I have benefited in this area. I have a very random success profile. But the things that I do pick up I get at excellent bargain prices. I've been making a point any time the price is right of picking up random boxes of machine screws and bolts and nuts and fasteners of that sort. It's kind of interesting when I need one. I'm getting to the point where I have pretty good odds of finding something that will work rather than having to run down to the home center. do you figure the cost of going down there even aside from the ridiculous retail prices just the driving uh... uh... cost uh... is uh... you know uh... paid for by these little uh... auction uh... scores and if we get into a great down situation where the splice and all of the broken or things become ridiculously expensive you'll be very glad to have these uh... even ordinary things like fasteners and PLLs and so on on hand. So I'm happy to find these things and pick them up even if the selection is rather random and quirky and occasional. You know, I don't know what I'm going to do with all of that threaded rod, but it's wonderful stuff. That's basically all I've got for this evening. Oh, there is one thing, I don't know whether it's still running, but earlier this week I saw a promotional ad from Palmetto State Armory. They were advertising a 20 inch barrel AR upper on sale for $300. So whether that's an attractive price or not, They have at least at you know recently had 20 inch barrels in inventory, so it's not all just 16 inches Go ahead because I have nothing more and we're at the top of the we were only minutes away for everybody out there guys Remember be careful this weekend If you're going out, we've got mixed weather here. Of course, it's pretty obvious if you're somewhere standing around in Michigan right now anyway So, be cautious, take your wet weather gear and cold weather gear. We've been on the edge. It's obviously going to drop down in temperature after sunset. It is. And that means that listening wet roads you were driving with no salt, I got this funny feeling they're going to be a tad slipper-earer tonight. So let's be cautious if you're traveling up to the facilities. Also, a quick reminder again, 386, you have to add that. Somebody just asked me again here. For the meeting tomorrow, which is the 10th at Camp Wayland North, to get all the particulars, if you're in the Wolverine Militia Core Site, you use your PIN number and add 386. If we're with the Colonial Marine Militia Forces or the Elementary Auxiliaries that are doing the cooking and are the hosts, Then you're, again, going to the Colonial Marine site, use your PIN number and then 386. What this does is it takes you right to the posting. Otherwise, you've got to go through the scroll and you know how that is. It's like that's monotonous. So 386 will take you right to the point on the scroll. There's a lot of other messages and some are from all over the country, so they don't have anything to do with you anyway. Take the time, plug in if you're going to be going there, and the standard policy applies for payment to get in to number 10 cans of food per person. That's the cost for using the facility. It goes right into the strategic reserve and it's part of the stuff they use for feeding everybody while you're there. So everybody's happy and it costs very little, very minimal. They don't care what you get, just two number 10 cans. You know, people call them one gallon cans. All the facilities, there's a grocery store down the street. One way or another. There's a Wally World or there's a regular local grocery store which we recommend you go to. Support the locals, buy from them. cans of corn, cans of peas, Big Lot has plums on occasion for like $1.99 a can for a number 10 can. You can't beat that. You might want to take all of them home. I did the other day. They only had three gallons, but they're three wooden number 10 cans. But it was like, hey, that's pretty cool, dudes. It's a lot of cheap eating is what it is. Anyway, also, Well, let's see, the O gamma ranges are jammed solid. They had night fire, should be done with that shortly. They started night fire as soon as they were into, you know, reasonable darkness and we are overbooked, but everything should be going. Typical I'm heard by thing exotic happening. If you have a four wheeler and you're going up to the facilities, please bring it with you. They're going to be using those for range control. Remember it's hunting season and people wander around and though it's not likely it's going to happen we keep people from wandering where they shouldn't. You would think the sound of small arms fire would draw their attention to a degree but it's amazing just how lalala people can get. Okay? So we're ready for that too. Plus cavalry, you know, cavalry quads or something we've recommended for a while. Other than that, remember guys, end of the year billing. If you go to libertytreeradio.4mg.com and take a look, you'll see what our transparent goal is and where we are now. I don't think we've added the larger donations. I don't think the $300 one is there yet and I know that there's a couple of hundred dollar donations that came in too. Pretty sure it will probably have them tonight, if not it will be over the weekend. I want to say thank you to our friends, to Casino, yes we got that envelope, and I want to say thank you, we appreciate that, it helps a lot, and we all know what it's going to go towards, it tells everybody every year. Also, we are going to be hopefully adding a shortwave, I finally got the message back, sounds like we might have an hour available during hour hours, I don't want to add another hour of radio time. So it'll be one of our blocks, maybe this Friday, 8 o'clock hour first. We'll see what happens. And I'm hearing music. Oh! There we go! I hear it now too. And for everybody out there, God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. We are on the march boat, day and night. Hoorah! And the pizza party painted over all of their icky stuff they had on the walls, claiming that it was never there. Boy, talk about George Orwell, 1984. Everybody took pictures and then they're claiming that well those they know no even though there's a lot of independent people who took photos guys and have done old photo essays Yeah, I've been with this restaurant was really creepy man. We didn't want to stay we didn't even eat. Here's why Yeah, exactly Anyway, take it be case. You're awesome. And guys, for everybody out there, I'll be careful this weekend. Remember, we're in transition for the weather. Eventually, cold, dry, I'll be here at the cool time. You can break off the skis and everything else. Meanwhile, be careful. Bye bye, guys. God bless.