Mark Koernke discussed preparedness equipment and firearms on Weapons Wednesday, reviewing tactical gear deals from airrattle.com and airsoftgi.com including BDU shirts, gloves, and camo jumpsuits. He critiqued Hillary Clinton's handling of classified documents and Washington State's Initiative 1491 gun seizure measure. The bulk of the episode focused on AR-15 rifle design, history, and optimization, including discussion of the AR-18, Eugene Stoner's rifle designs, M16 variants, handguard systems, and free-floating barrel technology. Koernke covered historical police weapons like barbed billy clubs and compared modern competition rifle designs to historical German rifles like the Gewehr 88 and 1917 Enfield. Callers contributed technical questions about handguard systems and custom 1911 pistols.
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If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, What would be your answer if he called out from the grave, filled the land at the... ...elegance report I mark to victory for all of our brothers on and behind the lines in occupied territories, Wicrow stations, C.E.B. base stations, and Ultra Hallmark and Golden Spike technologies. Sippy, temperatures medium, it is the 28th of September, it is the 8th year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet Socialist Occupation of America with a K. 2016, Old Earth Calendar. 2016, year of battle, year of storm. There are promo says there by the way. Again, it's been a very busy week. Here it is in the middle already. It's weapons Wednesday. Favorite video out there ain't. Uh, cut shot, before you could tell everybody about that. Armillade Air 180. Yeah, yeah. Remember, you got that there too by the way. real quick here, couple of solutions, airrattle.com, airrattle.com has got a moving sale, apparently they're going to be moving, everything must go, hurry, grab your deal before it's too late. Once our inventory is gone, so are these prices, because they're headed to another location. But anyway, couple things they have here that are definitely worthwhile, gloves. Now there's a bunch of airsoft items, If you're looking for a utility pump training shotgun in the 870 pattern, 1450 for a, again, a spring airsoft pump gun, and yes, you heard me right, 1450, it's a polymer, but pretty decent little training aid, collapsible, a skeletonized stock, the newer ones. Take a look at that to understand what I'm talking about. But one of the things they do have a mix, and the prices have been up and down, they have gloves. These are the mildly armored but they're a good thing for all you people out there, but you can spend whatever you want. They've got Condor, Kevlar and Leather, Tactical Padded Knuckle Gloves, Extra Large and Extra Extra Large. Oh hell, well they just went back up to $12.95. Wait a minute, they just had these on. They were on, marked down. Maybe they got some screw up on the pricing here. Oh, they went back up. This is what the problem, they've got a sliding scale. Beware on this. Yep, that's not going that way. But they do have the Kevlar and Leather. $12.95 is a good price on those. But they've got other stuff that's a little less expensive, not as fancy. $2 a pair, if you're looking for extra large gloves, because you've got big hands, extra large and extra, extra large are cheaper than the smalls and mediums, if they even have the mediums. It's a mix of items, but take a look at what they do have there. Another thing, if you're into the ACU camouflage, they have the Rothko ACU Camo BDU shirt tops in extra, extra large for $7.96 and extra large for $7.96. In fact, those blouses are $7.96 of whatever size they have left. That's a good price for a BDU top. If you're looking for something that matches the rest of your ACU technology, our guys listening in Arizona use this. Another thing, and I probably shouldn't mention it, but they've got emergency camo jumpsuits. These are the Tyvex. They're Woodland camo. I've seen them. They're actually the cross between the Woodland camo and the DPM Dutch. They have an extra-large, medium, and I believe they have them in small. I get the 1x and 2x out of policy. Those will fit everybody and anybody. You know what? Cinch them up. But for $1.95 a jumpsuit for a Woodland Camo Tivex, keep it in the backpack or throw it in the trunk. Several of these in the trunk and if everybody, if you have to stop, you've got something to throw on everybody. Hey, for $1.95 they're as cheap as any other Tivex outfit you're going to run into. But these are camouflage. And this is at www.airrattle.com, can't beat the price. Let's double check. I think these, let's see, yeah, they're in the Woodland. I don't see they, they do not have a color option. So they'll all be in this Woodland slash almost Dutch DPM. camouflage color range is basically the same. There's a good doe color in there and brown. $1.95 a piece and what sizes do they have? They have small, medium, extra large and extra, extra large. $1.95 for a complete overset. By the way, I might point out for chem suits, Tybix works pretty well for a chem suit. Extra, extra large goes over everything. Extra large goes over everything, including your coats. Oh yeah! So there's a solution and very inexpensive $1.95 a piece. There are a number of other items too numerous to mention, but these jumped out at me. They've got Lancer tactical armored hand knuckle airsoft protective gloves. These are $3.50 a pair, but there are some that are $2 a pair. They have the back knuckle armor. They have the reinforced padding in the glove itself that are, you know, for the different rim points and knuckle joint points and the price is right. They also have fingerless gloves, $2 a pair or less, $1.95 or $1.85 depending on what size and what model. So you can check that out. All of these are back armored. All of these are back-of-the-hand armored to protect you from booboos, which is not a bad thing. And for the price, that's why I pointed out the gloves are a big deal there. The ACU shirts for $7.96 apiece. In fact, let me double check and see what sizes they have in those. They have small, extra large, and extra extra large. So they went through another size before we started doing the program. Interesting. So people may have noticed these 796 apiece. And those are 50-50 cotton polyester blend. And I don't know where they're made. But again, the price is right. For more of ACU camouflage, if that's what you need to round out your troops. There's a way to get more ACU uniforms into people's hands. Magazines, other airsoft guns, again wide range of stuff may come down a little bit. If there's a moving sale, they may progressively slide the scale down a little bit and get a little better price down the road. We'll see what happens. Now another thing, it is Weapons Wednesday. But keep an eye on, get on the mailing list for airsoftgi.com. That's www.airsoftgi.com. They have an ongoing special. They've had an ongoing, but as far as finding it on the page, go to airsoftgi.com. They have, they've been offering, but it's not, I can't find it on the regular page. Of course, it could be stupid and blind. You never know. There's something wrong with my mind. But only if you're on the email list you get the offer for $6.99 for the tactical chest pouches $12.99 for the assault vest with a belt. Okay, so this is something definitely worth checking out and again if you see something else that's worthwhile, but these are definitely for you get false fails magazine been layers the chest pouches are ideal for loading the mags, putting the mags in the 20mm can, the big ones, stacking them real tight and all the same way and with the straps up so you grab a strap, pull the system out. Guess what, you can do that times however many pieces you feel you want to stash into that can. Figure out what fits best and how to make it work. but this is again at airsoftgi.com. It's one of those jump out things where it's a special deal or special arrangement. Take advantage of it, pick them up, use them as spares, backup equipment or cash equipment for other locations. You can afford to do it when you're looking at either $7 or $13 apiece for a complete rig. You still gotta stuff it with things, but you're talking an assault vest or a chest pouch. take your pick. $6.99 or $12.99. Other things we are headed towards, boy this day is going by fast. Next on the list of things to do as they say. We've been, of course, had a lot of different discussions on Hillary the Hutt and the whole idea of the supposed debate. Needless to say, one of the things we've been pointing out to everybody, and I would emphasize, you know, keep using it as a selling feature. This person doesn't have a clue in any way, shape, or form after 40 years around government about classification for classified documents. That person is an incompetent, an idiot, or a fool. In a way, that person has no business being in our government. and Hillary Hutt has already demonstrated by her statements, engineered by whoever, that she is an incompetent and has no business being anywhere near any element of our government because she can betray us out of stupidity. Stupidity should not be rewarded. Stupidity must not be rewarded. Certainly it's already been going on for eight years and more. I don't think Bush is any better than Bummer. I don't think that Bummer and Bush were any different from Clinton. We just got another Clinton they want to push. They were also trying to push another Bush initially too, so they would have been laughing at our stuff if they could have gotten that thing plugged in. But as it is, we've got a lot of interesting stuff on the, you know, it's on the cuff. Well, we're prepared for things too. We're ready to deal with the problems also, so we're not really going to be caught flat-footed there. If you haven't seen little piece from the trash is well report.com from Zero Hedge, a new ballot measure being considered by voters in Washington state, officially referred to initiative measure 1491. Boy, I tried to invert that one around, didn't I? Uh, 1491 would allow authorities to cease guns from people considered significantly more likely to commit violence toward themselves or others in the near future. Ah! the crystal ball will be pulled out of people's arses and since all the politically correct are told that white people are evil, then automatically while the sociopathic black person who has a t-shirt says kill all the white people, he won't be touched at all, I'm sure that legions of white people will have to have the, shall we say, the chosen come in, kick the door in and confiscate the guns as a precursor to preventing any violence against the regime for their next intended acts of violence against the people. Of course we understand how that works. And it just means Washington State, like we said, time to deal with that problem just like the others. There's nothing going to fix it. Going to have to clean it out. Just that simple. It means, ban it, call the mike a baby seal, whatever it is you need to do, that'll be fine. And by the way, I also wanted to touch on something else. I mentioned that somebody wanted me to elaborate on this. A hundred plus years ago, you know, I just mentioned clumping like a baby seal. Saps, black jacks, black cats, billy clubs, trungions, you name it, it was in the hands of the police and pretty much everything was acceptable. Now, before 1900, a whole bunch of rather unique and very vicious technology was developed for use by the police department short of guns. I mean, guns were already readily available. I mean, in fact, were commonly used. But the idea is that since they didn't want anybody walking around with a gun in hand, they always have a gun on their person. But because they don't want to have a gun in hand, they typically would be carrying, as we've seen, the night stick slash the Billy Club. Now, where the term Billy Club came from is rather interesting in and of itself because it's actually argued that that's where the term for this technology came in, Billy Club, okay? It's interesting to note that about 1875, 1878 on the eastern part of the country, since there was a lot of confrontation going on in the inner cities and the cities in general along the east coast, ideas about how to catch up with criminals or perps after the fact, or maybe they just deal in a final blow, was proposed in a number of different ways. Needless to say, guns were first on the list of things to do, but here's another mean one. Billy clubs traditionally had a series of holes drilled in them, not very deep actually, only about a quarter of an inch deep, maybe a little shallower, maybe a little deeper, it depends on the company making the Billy Club. And then a series of, you know, these little drill holes, they were done uniformly, but they were spread out and peppered around the circumference of the round end of the Billy Club, which of course you should all be round, like a broom handle or like a big stick. Typically it was thicker at the B U end than it was at the Hold U end. But where the B U end was, for about 8 inches, 6 to 8 inches, there were a series of inserts that were made and they were barbed metal hooks. Kind of like a fish hook. Only even more vicious, more aggressive. Think really sharp, but then also think pre-rusted. Everybody goes, what? Oh yeah, I should mention that you would think, well no Mark, they're going to paint them and make them look really good and super clean. No, they would be cast out of iron or low grade steel. They were barbed. They were sharpened and they were barbed. Now these were designed to be pushed into place into the Billy Club head. And when you're on the street, you had somebody that you decided you didn't like a whole lot. you smacked them with the billy club if you got into an altercation where real brute force had to be used and even if they got away well when they left chances are a percentage of in fact a number of pieces of those little barb insets were now stuck in the customer that they were just beating on these were pre-rusted guys this is way before the era of the tetanus shot and hooked and sliced with a barbed hook that was now left in your hide because you couldn't just pull it out not without some major effort or you know again bite the bullet and pull and these could be in the side of your head they could be in your arm they could be in your back they could be in your abdomen they could be anywhere wherever they slapped that thing and jammed it as hard as they could on you Even the end cap, although in many cases the end cap would actually be spiked, more like a traditional mace, but it varied depending on the contractor and what they built for Boston or New York or for wherever. But the barbs system was very popular and was a way of, shall we say, delivering a slow, lethal blow to a person. There were no tetanus shots back then. Dying from a rusty nail? A very real problem, guys. Dying from several police-provided rusty nails? No bang, no pop-pop, no boom. Just, and take that, ooh! And are many barbs stuck through the clothing and into you? Well, your clothing might be stapled right to your body now. And these barbs and hooks were designed to do exactly what your fish hook does, keep you in place because of the sensitivity of the injury. But if you try to get free, these would cause major damage in the process. But for as long as they would be in contact, remember, rusty metal. No, I guess it wasn't as warm a fuzzy an era as everybody thinks. In fact, the window of activity where these were made And this is not a new design by the way, this was actually a medieval idea. And I'm sure they'd be aware they got the idea before it goes deeper into time and that idea goes deeper into time, there's nothing new under the song. It's a matter of whether or not somebody discovers and reinvents it. Okay? Well somebody did! So just a little heads up about, you know, technique and technology. I mean, doesn't mean that you have to wait on that either. There's a lot of baseball bats you can get for free. I just got a whole bunch of aluminum bats for free. You know, a whole pile of golf clubs for free. In fact, one of them is an Arnold Palmer putting club and that's going to go off to the side for obvious reasons. Because there aren't going to... well, Arnold Palmer isn't with us anymore, as you all know, as of last couple days. Anyway, we're at the bottom of the hour. We're going to do a little air candy for you. And for all you guys building all those ARs, you should have this song playing at least in the background every so often while you're in the basement with all the other guys that are out there in the garage. And you're putting the same pin in the same receiver group over and over again. There's another one. Oop, there's another group. There's another group. Oh, look at that. And by the time you're done you've got a completely functional lower and a completely functional upper. And finally the last operator in the line of the five or ten people you got doing this pops the two pins together into play and you've got yourself an AR-15 times however many dozen you want to put together tonight. Hey Mark. Oh, go ahead, call it before we go to music. What do you have? Why you mentioned ARs, I just, I don't think I heard you mention it. You might not have noticed it. But PSA's got a 24 inch length 556 NATO upper on their site. Oh, I didn't see that. What do they want though? Unfortunately, it's 349 even without the charging handle and bolt carrier. Well that's not too, that's more of a competition barrel. 24 inches? Yeah, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's a heavy barrel too. It should be, but that would be worthwhile actually, and that will be a cost, see that's going to cost a little more, that's a custom barrel, it's a specialized run. Far more specialized than a 20 inch, but still that's it. Yeah, it's daily deals about halfway down on the second page. Oh excellent, okay well I'll check that out in a minute, and again that Palmetto State Armory guys. The daily deal, if you want to put it, in fact if you already got one of the ARs you built, but you want another upper receiver with a little more oomph and throw, guess what, there's the receiver for you right there. Complete upper minus the bolt carrier and the charging handle. So you're still going to need to replace, either buy another or a couple of those or use the ones you got in the existing if you switch out for the time being. But that's a pretty good investment. I have to take a look at it. I assume it's a flat top, probably. It seems to be what everybody's building, and that means you got all kinds of space for Don Betcher's night vision and for his thermal technology. Anyway, here we go, a little air candy for everybody. It is Weapons Wednesday. Keep cranking out those little armalites. I know all of us will. Here we go. AR-180, slash the A-A-R or M-18 over there. I hate them over here also, by the way. The AR-18 was the Stoner design. Stoner was influential in all of the .223 rifles that were of the armalite patterns. They're not just the AR-15 as we know it. In fact, basically what happened is that back in the 50s when Stoner was promoting the AR-10, and the Armalite project from that direction, he had produced several other designs. Most of them are actually covered in Smith small arms or they are older Smith small arms. We read the difference in the articles. The original designs talk, or the original texts of both Smith and James and several others, talk about progressive development of the different NATO pattern rifles and proposals that were done for the donor destruction or for private contract. In either case, Stoner was the influential pivotal person incorporating all these tricks from the seven black books of armory technology. What's interesting is there's only so many things you can do with a machine. Already been worked out, you're not supposed to know that these books exist. Most gun pattern people do. And what's interesting is that one of the first rules is scaling down, of course, not to 223, but initially to 308 from 30 out of 6. That math formula wasn't very complicated. Neither was the process of going to 223. 223 is nothing more than a scaled down M230 caliber round. Back in the day when computer time A was more expensive and wasn't readily available, it was head math. It was men doing the math. Changing the scale or scaling down a standard or existing cartridge meant that there was very little that had to be relearned except for finding out what ballistic potential might be available for the different types of, you know, rifling configurations. Remember at that time, 50s, Remington Rand's micro-groove was king in terms of utility, general kranow, manufacturing and performance. the 1903 Springfield had proven itself over and over and over again not just at the end of World War II but into Korea. and was still hanging on at the time of the beginning of the Vietnam War in the early, early 60s. Most Vietnamese who went through a basic training course provided by Special Forces units trained on a Springfield, either a straight 1903 or an O3A3. How do I know this? I served with the people that actually did the work and they have extensive photo essays from their personal photo collections that you don't see in the controlled media. demonstrating their activities as they cranked out soldiers over there for those foreign armies for force popular, the Montagnard, the Hill people in general, Lowlanders as in regular South Vietnamese village defense forces, that's where force popular came into play too by the way, and these were all South Vietnamese forces. But they all went through the same basic training operation during the hearts and minds period, especially the early days, 1960, Not 61 or 62. 1960, in fact the first group was probably there at the end of 59. But one of my friends, Dan Larson, was with the second SF group to go to Vietnam. The second of the first, you know, of the first Special Forces group. And the first American casually was in the same unit, but from the group that had been there, the team that had been there before he and his team replaced that team as they were being cycled out and the new group was cycling in. uh... and we're done as a unit as a group you know the team now there's a you know how to project on man here on man there there were replacements but that's not what this is about every and any weapon you can imagine was used and the same will be true whatever we see come up next time around guys the important thing is having weapons management mentality in place already If I have a bunch of weapons that are unique or odd man out, I'm not going to hang on to them necessarily. I'm going to help to reconfigure and centralize the inventory so that the weapons, the ammunition, and the parts inventory can properly be taken advantage of. Many weapons will not necessarily be offensive weapons, but certainly can be part of the defensive grid. And by no stretch of the imagination necessarily obsolete, except for the fact that unfortunately munitions or spare parts may not be as readily available. That's really the most important part of the formula. There's a firearm right now that I would want to stand in front of building the last 120 years. How about you? Well, that's an obsolete gun. Really? Go stand over on the well house there. Let me grab 20 rounds. Let's see how obsolete it is. Well, something for you. You can't. Well, what are you talking about? It's an obsolete firearm. No, it's not obsolete. Obsolete may be only in that it can. It's a matter of is it presently serviced and is procurement taking place with a government sponsor where you have a government sugar daddy. See, that's really what makes it affordable, is the government sugar daddy and the gross overspending on the part of the regime that we get to take advantage of. Okay? uh... that's why again air fifteen six the gladiest of the day it's the it's the the general utility arm that we can throw it a lot of people who and they may not have much experience because they've been in the military but they've got time on that rifle so that's what you want to give them if at all possible another thing is that we're all remind everybody were talking earlier you know some of the guns and some of the upper still come with both carriers grab those m sixteen both carriers guys because no matter what weapon is captured on the field That bolt carrier will work in all of those weapons and allow them to function properly. Especially if you get nothing but racks of rifles, but the bolt carriers are somewhere else. Might be nice to have enough bolt carriers to be able to put a whole rack of 20 M16A2s back in service. M4s? Greg Galt, what do we have? It's Tex-Mig. Excuse me. I think I told you once I had an A2 or A3 type, flat top with 20 inch barrel, government profile. Yeah. Well, I used it in a rain gun a couple of weekends ago and I found something out about it. I have the, what is it called, the standard handguard on it and I found out that you can't really rest it on anything. It tends to make it shoot a little high. Well, it was designed, it was supposedly designed to be more ergonomic in that it was allowing for you to grip the gun more efficiently, you know, so that it would be rested into the palm. But there's no orientation service. There is that little black, you know, there is that little, you know, baseline at the bottom where you've got the, you know, ventilating, you know, ribs. But it's not like it was, in a way it was pronounced with the M16A1 with what are called the sandbag grips. The sandbag foregrips were pretty sensible and straightforward. There was a big debate when that change took place. And actually they knew that this would be an issue. They did. But there was an argument about changing the gun out. Part of this was again the popularity of the round stocks that were used on the Kar-15 and everything wanted to be special looking so the Kar-15 type round foregrip was extended and reconfigured or re-engineered so that a variant would fit on the standard rifle. Many of the older guns were upgraded because the fixture will work with either one, you know, as far as the base goes, the fixture that holds the foregrips into play, the clamshell. The biggest problem has been... that in order to get something better or something different you've got to pay an arm and a leg for it. There's some really nice rails out there now. There's all kinds of other flat surface, square guards up front that allow for a little better orientation and like you said for secure resting on site. Hell, you even got clamps and ledges that you can attach to the gun that allow you to actually rest on 2x4 surfaces or whatever else you might expect or suspect you're going to be using. So don't you have a flat surface, but you also have a check front and back so you don't have to come to some slide. Go ahead. Any of the free-floating hand guards for it are definitely worth it. I mean, because that's what I didn't have on mine. And you know, just the pressure, you know, and I'm not one of those guys that, you know, just rest my hand guard on a hard surface. I always got my palm in between there, you know, my meaty palm in between there. And, you know, it still causes it to shoot high at distance. I had to walk my shots in quite a few times. I was real surprised. And I had, you know, I had zeroed for prone. And I was real surprised at how much difference that made. Well interestingly enough, even as the original sandbag guards came out, competition guards were already in play. Needless to say, you weren't supposed to know about it. I know that the armorers did, but there are all kinds of ways that they would wait up. In order to weight up the gun, they had to reconfigure certain components and so there were some XM foregrips and pistol grips and even butt stocks that accommodated leading the gun. To add weight to eliminate climb and to stabilize the gun itself. Bead shot was used which still makes some noise or the guns actually were poor leaded in order to add weight. They decided to go with something similar, I don't know if you remember, the Marine Corps got rid of all of their M60s because they were ordered to do so. They didn't have a belt fed gun in the inventory and they didn't have a select fire gun because they went to the A2s. So they ended up having to build an emergency upper. And the upper that they came up with, the foregrips, you might recall, were a real dense phenolic plastic. Have you ever seen those? No, I don't think so. If you look around, you'll find them. They were actually designed so that they could use the M16A1s that the Marine still had as squad automatic rifleman's weapons. The upper was an extra heavy barrel, which is really a matched barrel. They had an ultra-heavy, square-ish front handguard with an option for a vertical control bar. you know, a forward vertical grip. They actually sold these as surplus because the Marine Corps can sell stuff, you know, they're a corporation, they're a private business. They sell stuff that the rest of the government can't sell. And a bunch of these were sold as surplus, complete. and that included all the additional accoutrements to make them a heavy system. Now that grip is a representation of one of the grips that was an XM grip built back in the middle 70s for the Department of Defense as part of the, what can we come up with in the way of a different idea. but still allow ourselves to be able to index the gun. In other words, keep the gun at the 12 o'clock mark. If you had one hand and you can barely function, can you keep the weapon in the lateral position? Can you hold it upright? Can you balance it and level it and stay on target even with one eye blown out, one arm shot off and one hand working when the 7-pound gun chugging away? And that was really the reason for the sandbag grip, is that with minimal effort you could actually control the weapon. Long as you had another flat surface, so an individual could continue to get bullets on target downrange. Another thing we haven't even talked about here is remember that there was a change in policy during the war when we went from the M14 and started to push the M16 and that was hip fire. Now hip fire was already in place with the M14s to a degree, but boy it came into its own with a big magazine like the one that was on the Air 15. Either way, even with the straight 20s. they everybody just wailed away and in fact they had a real problem with the amount of ignition consumed as opposed to the number of confirmed real hits that were taking place not just bloodline counts where they were following blood trails and that's where the whole issue of now how do we get everybody back on course with the weapons so that they're using it more for an accurate firearm an accuracy firearm as opposed to a spray and pray sewing machine and just stitching everything including the cats, dogs, your neighbors, the people you weren't trying to shoot at and everybody else. You'll notice they've tried to make a lot of the imagery that was very common on national television showing the M16 in its most common use which we jokingly used to call the Ted Offensive Rifle Marksmanship Stance which is where you load the magazine, push the weapon up like you're doing a pull up over your head like you're dropping and dump 20 rounds, you don't know where, but over that berm and down range and then drop the mag and insert another, hit the bolt release and do it again and again and again and again. That was the epitome of the other extreme in giving a weapon like this to the troops. Now, if you suppress people, I don't want to get shot by anything like that. But the problem is friend, foe, yes or no, it didn't make any difference, everybody got shot because control of the weapon ceased to exist. uh... hipfire really had the same kind of problems instinct shooting you've always come back and forth with instinct shooting uh... there was a big to do was in life who was in time it was a news week talking about this new procedure you might even be able to go to uh... you tube and punch up some of the propaganda videos from the day talking about infection of the u.s. military training films about the new concept of hipfire you know again and volume part using the selector and or some automatic fire blah blah blah blah blah And then they went away from it because they realized, wow, it'd be probably more important if we actually focus on hitting things and being able to sustain our fire and maybe fighting through the night rather than running out of ammunition when we most need it during that pre-dawn attack. So, all of that's tied into the mechanical technology. And strangely, if you bring up that old, you know, again, the sandbag, four grips of the M16, it's all tied into that. Politics. A lot of politics. Well, I think I did find a cure for it. Rock River Arms makes a Nash hand harport which is nothing more than a little tube that goes over the barrel and connects to the barrel nut. Then you have, they're either injection molded or thermoed Not much of a price difference for the hand guards. They just snap on around the tube. And then in the front, nothing is touching the barrel over by the side. Oh, OK. And again, the important thing is if it's a snap-on system, I get an extra set if they're reasonably priced, only because it's inevitable that something is going to crack, snap, or pop. Right. And like I said, it should cure that problem there. And if it's, you know, like I said, it's national match, so obviously they're using these in competition because it still looks like an old A283. Right, it's a floater type. Well, you see that's just it. At the same time, they came out with these straight tubes for free floating or at least minimizing contact to the barrel. And with the support that it does offer, it is a rigid design. These new key systems appear to basically be the same idea, but with a lightning of the technology with CNC machinery. Because you've got all the different lightning points where they've taken metal off, or they've got the key system for attaching components. wherever you want to. So that's basically the same idea. It's just they've taken it to the nth degree with regard to fit and finish. What can you do with it when you've got the technology, the machinery? It's not a bad idea. If you're building up like the, like BC was mentioning earlier here, this 24 inch barrel upper, yeah, that's the direction you want to go, guys. If you're going to build up a 24 inch upper receiver, then you want again the superior support, you want to float wherever you can and minimize contact with all the working or operating components of the gun. Anything that the bullet passes through, anything that affects the gas system, wherever possible, you want to try and minimize and allow that to free operate on its own without any additional math going into the formula. Everything affects the bullet. If you're looking at ultra-matched competition, that's of course where the angsing comes in. If you're looking at long-range shooting, needless to say, to keep it tight, you want to keep it tight. It's just that simple. Keep the gun tight, and the groups will tighten up. Now, you don't go here. Go ahead. It's interesting that I saw the same concept in a rifle. I don't know if you ever heard of Schutzenfest. Repeat that again? Schutzenfest. It's what the Germans brought over from the old world when it was a competition that they shot. Oh, he was shooting, yeah, okay, oh no, they were talking about a gun. Yeah, okay, makes sense. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, the idea is they shoot, now they do, I don't know, they shot in less range earlier, back in the 1800s, but they shoot now at 200 yards, And what they do is they'll take, listen, they're usually single shot rifles and they get a gunsmith to put a long shroud around the barrel, I mean just a long tube. They have like these Christmas tree looking rests, they put their barrel on. They actually put the barrel on but the shroud, it's the shroud that's going on there and they're notched. And what they do is they rest that shroud with the barrel in it and they use only iron sights They shoot mostly .22-256mm, but they do shoot .22-256mm at 20 yards with the more accurate target ammo, which is subsonic. And they're pretty good. Well, the whole idea there is like you've got the Creedmoor competition rifles, you've got several other conventional arms that were brought forward where they picked them out to the nth degree for K-04 competition, the free-floating the tube or, oh come on, what's the other term, come on Mark. Well it's a sheath is what it is, but it's a, actually if you remember the Gewehr 88, not the 98, the 88, it had what was a cooling shroud or a cooling jacket. under the logic that you were going to really be cranking out rounds to the point where that gun was going to start to really heat. Now it wasn't water cooled, but it had a jacket of comparable oversized dimension, not the size of a Vickers or a Maxim gun or a Browning, but the jacket was designed to supposedly tighten up the groups by eliminating contact with the actual barrel and falls right in line with that spec. Take a look, go pull up a Gewehr 88. and take a look at the basic design of it and the specs and why they came up with the gun. The Germans were pushing for, again, the maximum output from a smokeless powder round and that's why you see this massive and progressive series of upgrades in the Mauser design. They ducked the shroud in favor of going with, again, a standard bowl barrel or heavy barrel system, which in and of itself helps to stabilize the overall barrel pattern no matter the final dimension, because they do step down. The Mausers originally were, again, large base. The rifle was closest to it on our side as far as for basic concepts and ideas in design was the 1917 Enfield. The 1917 Enfield basically was a free-floating bull barrel. In fact, nothing like it was ever put on the other US gun. And that's why Sergeant Yorick and one of the others loved the 1917. They used the Springfield, but they loved the 1917. It had a bigger magazine built in. It had a trench mag internal, and it had a little greater range on the thumb because of the weight of the barrel itself. Got a lot of guys who love to sportorize that gun for the same reason. They require no barrel change. And that's basically what you're looking at with these guns that the Germans were bringing in. But also the Gewehr 88. Interesting idea and design. Very comfortable gun to shoot by the way. We've got to be careful. It does not take the newer cartridge. And there are two cartridges that were built for the 88 that are 8mm, but there's not standard 792x57. They're a very, you know, very different, you know, dimension in cartridge and they will cause problems if you try to use the later shell. They still use the guns in World War I. They used everything in World War I just like we'll use everything in World War III, so to speak, or whatever it is you want to call it. So, if it ain't nailed down, we're going to be putting bullets down range with it. We just need to make sure we tune them up to the best of our ability. They work. Go ahead, caller. Yeah, you know the other day you're talking about you know when you travel you you're carrying a couple 45s and then you talked about the one that your friend made for you Could you talk a little bit about that? Well, actually what that is is a it's a custom 1911 but it's pushed it's tricked out to personal his personal specs and stainless by the way But it's not a It was a custom stainless company that is coming on but they did nothing but competition pistols. Anyway, I tell you what, we are at the top. We'll work on that when we come back. We still got 8 o'clock. And Craig, for forbidden knowledge, is coming up next, guys. God bless the Republic. There we go. We shall prevail. The Empire's on the run. We're wearing a Marta's bandite. And thank you guys for all your input and again bringing up the subject. We'll be back at 8 o'clock but don't forget Craig coming up next. 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