September 15, 2016
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed interrogation techniques, torture methods, and prisoner detention procedures, using historical examples and hypothetical scenarios to illustrate how captured individuals might be broken. They emphasized the importance of avoiding capture and preparation for potential government persecution, arguing that an American War for Independence is necessary to address government corruption. The hosts also covered the 2016 presidential election, with Trump and Hillary running neck-and-neck in polls, Hillary's email scandal and FBI investigation, and the importance of armed citizens organizing for mutual defense. Don promoted night vision technology sales before the show concluded.
- interrogation techniques
- torture
- prisoner detention
- government corruption
- american war for independence
- 2016 election
- trump
- hillary clinton
- fbi investigation
- militia
- armed citizens
- constitutional rights
- night vision technology
- bundy trial
- preparedness
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You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to this. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God in shame. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seemingly farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors. So their children and your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear, be a slave? Oh sons of the republic, arise, take a stand. defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to torture freedom burning bright. As Iowochee vanished in the mist for when his words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? ...or of the afternoon intelligence report I'm Mark Herkey. And I'm Don Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories. You're listening to us on dot4mg.com, IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com, and we are on AM&FM microstations, Walmart and Golden Spike Technologies, and west of the Mississippi along with... Oh, you know what? It has been a perfect day, although now we finally were getting some more of those roly rain clouds in, but not quite like rain clouds. In fact, it's like, well, It's like we've seen all summer. You might as well ignore them and when they rain, it rains. Just cover the stuff up. You didn't have to cover it up and be done with it. But Don, it's been a perfect day. It really has been an excellent day. Just finished a whole bunch of other wall work. Got a bunch of other projects done. Painting up some of the armor camouflage. Played off an M113 Battle Wagon in tri-color. Oh, mondeau. No, not three-color French. That would mean it would surrender automatically. The gun would automatically kick up into the 90 degree angle, the ammunition would spit out, and the can would throw itself towards the enemy, right? And a white flag would jump out of the barrel. Automatically pop up out of the tube, it doesn't even have a round in it. Vive la France, vive la Cédron d'Air. Oh, mon dieu, vie a la Bresson de Fyters. And have a built-in wine chiller too, on the side of the gun. Anyway, Don, I'll tell you what, what's the day today, West Jumping off the Wall, take over for a few minutes, cause I just had somebody pop in here, I gotta talk to it's courier. But you know those French, they just love their liberty, equality, and fraternity. Fraternity, but no piece of orate, no, wait a minute, I think they like piece of orate, that women are there, that would be better. Fraternity is like you want to get close to the men. That's the 21st century. Anyway, go ahead, sir, jump in there, please. Today it is the 15th day of September. We're halfway through September, you guys, 30 days. Yeah, yeah, we're halfway through September. It's the 15th day of September. You're of our Lord 2016. As Mark points out, beautiful, wonderful day, except for that surrealistic looking cloud over there that kind of looks like a real, normal cloud and is, you know, If I was to fly around it, it would probably have another side. In this side go one, two, three, four chemtrails flying right into the cloud. I'm guessing on the other side there are four chemtrails coming out of that unusual looking. But other than that, it's a normal looking cloud. It just looks like something from a science fiction rated cover or something. Today, again, the 15th day of 2000. And you know, it's today, the first day, today, that the mainstream media is announcing that Trump and Hillary are tied. I can't help but bring that to everybody's attention because, well, no matter the efforts of the mainstream media, they just can't seem to keep that Trump boy down, can they? That's not bad work, Donny. Not bad work. At any rate, running neck and neck with Billiery there. in one of the most current nationwide polls and they're confident enough in it that they ran it. They're on the news out of Traverse City for the other side. There are times, but Donnie's getting a whole bunch more traction somehow and the talking heads, the clucking hands, they just can't seem to understand it no matter how much they bad mouth the guy and maybe that's part of it. But they sit there and they call him a liar and in the same breath someone else at the table says, but Hillary lies too, but both are good lies for the nation. Now you understand, I don't know how I can understand the difference. They'll call Donny, he's a bald-faced liar, but Hillary lies too, but her lies are good for the nation. More on that in a moment. Right, that moment's passed. Have you seen any of the congressional interviews on the most current delving into Hillary's internet escapades? They're bringing up people that were working around Hillary now. And a number of them are taking the Fifth Amendment. I, you know, to invoke my Fifth Amendment privileges. They don't even claim them as rights anymore. Fifth Amendment privilege. A couple of them are talking. One of them sits right there and one asked, did you have access to Hillary's internet? Were you a person who maintained that service? Yes, yes, yes. Do you have any security clearances issued from the United States government? No. That right there, I don't know if that fact was ever brought up in front of the FBI. But, you know, if you've got top secret clearances, and even if you're paying somebody, you know, the help, that doesn't give you the ability to share those top secret thought lines and subjects, papers, memos, videos, whatever with people who don't have that clearance. That right there alone should be a, well, off to the hooskow and if not directly, immediately, well, we're going to take you to trial first and then we'll call you guilty. I wonder how many facts came out in front of the FBI, how deeply they did dig and, you know, they didn't apparently dig real deep because they were more than happy to say, well, we're not going to take a grave for Hillary. You can't bury her politically. Why, she's our buddy. That's what happened there. Now, that goes over Mark's referred many times to that. How could you trust a government that that is part and parcel of? That that is supposed to be, you know, justice and law enforcement? Oh, it's like, you know, you're driving up the expressway and you see this sign on the expressway and it says, Move here and pay no taxes. The years, well, the sign, the big billboard stays up there for, oh, 15, 20 years. Move here and pay no taxes. A city trying to get you to move to a particular area, their city. They'll move there. For 15 years, they don't even pay any taxes. And when they come around and say, well, you haven't been paying taxes, you say, well, I've just been living by that billboard there. Do you think that'd work for you? And I know it's not a great analogy, but look Mr. Taxman, the sign said if I move here I don't have to pay any taxes. And again, I know it's not a great analogy, but all kinds of things work for Hillary, don't they? Well again, maybe the media is catching up, maybe they're just trying to placate some people because Donny and Hillary are neck and neck in one of the most current nationwide polls. By the time the election's coming they will have wound up enough people around Donny to say that we'll let him win because, well, we aren't exactly thinking that Hillary's going to make it for the next four years. There is the subject I wanted to bring up, and I know if Mark Beck with us, this will be a good subject. Do we have Mark Beck? I know he'll be able to run right now. We've talked about being behind the wire. We've talked about being subject to your freedom being removed from you. might say, oh that'll never happen to me. And you reference into history the grenade being thrown into the hillside or the little mountain top known as Iwo Jima rising up from the ocean bottom there. The dust clears a little bit and somebody goes in and they kick this body and they poke that body with a bayonet and nobody's complaining and they kick another body and the guy goes, well they take him prisoner. Well there's the others that are just still in the back to catch their way. slightly as it jumped through their body, maybe even bouncing so slightly to bend it back through their body. Wow, that wouldn't be no fun at all. Then they're unconscious and you know, bring up different examples. You might have seen Scott Woodring's roof. Those had hurricane straps. Two by fours, what do they call those? Little straps, almost like erector set straps, only heavier. And they fit over the joists as they go down and they beat onto them. Pillions or pylons or either one of those. I can't remember what those four the roof, the walls would have probably bowed out a little bit, but there would have been, you know, the windows coming out and big fractures in the walls instead of, you know, how does that go? Water, you know, finds the easiest way. Roof goes straight up about, in the doctored versions, the roof only goes up about a foot, so you can say, well, you saw the roof go up there, it isn't any different, and how do you know? It was broadcast the first day, the roof jumped up about three feet. When it was broadcast the next day or two days later, the roof only jumped up about a foot. No doubt that was captured footage, computer-doctored footage. But had you been in the basement, had you not been subject directly to anything thrown by that blast, something thrown so fast that it would have gone right from shrapnel, had you been just around the corner, you might have been subject to that overpressure. And you know, how does that gold skull bangs against brain and brain things against skull and you do that about three times or four times within a second and the brain says, I don't get it and it just turns right off for a while. That's what happens when you knock somebody out. That's what happens when you know they hit their head and get a concussion and they pass out. That's, they try to protect themselves. They can't do anything about being bounced other than just say, I don't, well, I think I'll turn out the light. They'll never take me alive. You might have heard somebody say, I'll just, I'll just shoot every one of them until, well, I'm not in the fight anymore. You know what that means. You cannot say that, say, you cannot guarantee that. You may leave the building here and walk out into the darkness to go someplace and be waylaid. By someone you knew, maybe even they're paid. We can go back to the Scott Woodring thing, the people who turned in Scott Woodring did that for $10,000, for a measly $10,000. For chump change. For chump change. You could probably figure out some relationship to 30 pieces of silver these days. Interesting then. Interesting enough, they eventually did have to leave the area because nobody really wanted to have anything to do with them. Right. Go ahead. No, no, go right ahead. Finish what you're doing. The point here is, we might say that I'll never go behind the wire. We might be dragged away. We might be subject to a crash or something that renders us unconscious or helpless while the enemy rolls over us. And now we're still alive and they've got us. You know, it's taken about 12 or 14 minutes to get to this portion of this. You're still alive and they got you. Now, I'm glad you're back, Mark, because I wanted you to get the basis from this subject matter because you'll have more input than I will in just another few minutes. I know it. But when they've got you, what are they going to do? Well, they're going to ask all kinds of things and sometimes they might not be very pleasant at it and sometimes they might be not very skilled and rather dumb about it and sometimes they might want to actually, you know, twist your finger or your arm or your shoulder or put the water on you or hang you upside down or sleep deprive you or just, you know, there's a whole bunch of ways to sleep deprive somebody. You can just walk up and nudge them again. You can mark it, I enjoy that in this instance we'll apply that phrase monkey poke em. You're just about to nod off and you haven't been asleep in three days except for like 14 seconds of sleep and you know you're just about to get there and they hit you with a broom. It's not a big hit, but just enough to make certain men. You induce a little pain and that person's almost wide awake again, but they've been awake for two and a half days. And you know, if you can keep somebody awake that long, they start to hallucinate. You can start to talk to them and you can talk to them about when they were kids and you can talk to them about their first encounter of anything. Understand that, anything. And you can talk to them about what they did last week and you can talk to them about their orders and you can talk to them about their mission and how committed they are and you can talk to them about who sent them. If you can keep them awake for about three days, maybe four or some people. But that's cruel and unusual and we're not supposed to be subject to that but you know... any attention to the Constitution unless, you know, like that fellow said, well, when the Constitution suits us, we'll use it. And when it doesn't, we'll dismiss it. That was Abraham Lincoln. That was 150 years ago now. That was 150 years ago. And that's printed into history. And you think they haven't, you think they've changed their ways from that? They're only doing that harder and harder. In fact, unto the day. Rather recently, Mark, you remember, and many of the listeners remember, when Obama said the federal government has a right to defend itself from its... Wait a minute, from its creator? From its subjects? No, no, from the citizens that created it, Obama. But he stood right there and said the federal government has a right to defend itself, didn't he? He wasn't talking about external influence. He wasn't talking about any external enemy. You all know that, right? So we've come to this point. Now, do you think that if they had you, They'd sit you down there over tea and crumpets and say, I say you're a good fellow. I know it's a sticky wicket that you're in now, but you're going to cooperate with me in every available way, aren't you? And we're just going to get along peachily, and we'll have tea every day and crumpets as long as you cooperate. You think it's going to work like that? You know it ain't going to work like that. Then walk away with just, you know, if I were to just work on the littlest joint of your little finger, And that fingernail area and everything back to the joint, that first area of your little finger, I could keep you squealing and I could keep you screaming. Even a bad, bad, strong, strong man. I could keep them squealing for about three hours. And after that, those nerves are going to be so overfed. Those nerves are going to be so shocked that no matter what I did to that, everything forward of that last knuckle on the little finger, he wouldn't care. He wouldn't care because the nerves are overloaded. The nerves, they've sent so many signals as long as I kept into that little area right there, eventually he wouldn't know I'm doing anything. So I have to move up a little bit, the fresh nerves, right? Because I could mash it with a hammer, I could burn it with a cigarette, I could stab it with a pin, I could cut it with a razor, I could send electrical shock through it, but now that involves all of the nerves. So that kind of goes beyond what I'm trying to say here. but they will work you piecemeal until they get what they want. Now, it has been said that torture, never anything comes out of torture. A man will say anything. He'll try to be the bulwark. He'll try to be the rock. He'll try to be the stone and not say anything and endure everything he possibly can. But when he decides to talk, if he does, he will eventually, 36, 40 hours awake and now you're gonna start working on my other little finger. I guess I'm going to be awake for another 10 hours, for certain. But by the time they decide to start to talk, they either go one way or the other. They tell the truth or they tell lies. The interrogator can't tell the difference. The interrogator doesn't know. The only thing he can do, and this is a big, big clue here, they don't just interrogate one person if they have a chance, do they, Mark? What they're going to do is if I utter one word, If I just say Rosebud, I stole that from something you know, didn't I? But if I just say Rosebud and they hear Rosebud from somebody else that they're maning and torturing or drowning or electrocuting or cutting, they're gonna start working on that Rosebud as hard as they can. They're gonna try to figure out what Rosebud is. You know, we can sit and we can say, I'll endure this. I'll just, I've brought this to the hour a number of times. There were some of those Japanese that were captured unconscious, or a wreck, or whatever. Some of them that were captured unconscious, they were put into a cell, and they were left on that bed in that cell. And, well, when they were looked at in the morning, it was obvious that Japanese fellow got up. And he walked over and he knelt by that window where he leaned his torso up against the window and he put his hands interlaced behind his head and he stuck out his tongue and he slammed his skull against this window sill and he bit off his tongue. And he leaned back and he drowned himself in his own blood. More than one Japanese prisoner who was taken prisoner, unconscious, was found this way later. And there are those that would say, oh, we hated the Japanese so much, somebody just did that to them. No, that's the mindset of I will not be taken prisoner. That's the mindset I will give my enemy nothing if the very most, just my dead body. But now how do you avoid that? I'm not sitting here saying, well, you know, you're gonna get tortured and eventually you're gonna talk. That's not what I'm saying. My point is don't go. My point is don't come to that position. We talk about lists. There's the red list. There's the blue list. And boy, if you're on the red list, they want to shed your blood. If you're on the blue list, they want to change your ways. You know, you're going to go off to an indoctrination camp where they'll probably shed your blood. Now, that's reality. If you want to talk about the list, well, damn, you're on one. And I did say that. Damn, you're on one. You're an American. You're becoming the most hated nation around the world. We better be ready to deal with that. And that's not you. That's the people that Kennedy tried to squish when he promised, when he promised the CIA he would scatter them to the Four Winds for what they were doing around the world, building and destroying empires in the name of the Almighty Dollar. Certainly not in the name of freedom, in the name of the Almighty Dollar. Now Kennedy promised to scatter the CIA to the Four Winds and well, they beat them to the punch or rather they pulled the trigger first, didn't they? And we can talk about who gained from that and who was in charge in that area and all of that and how that created a dynasty of Bushes, didn't it? Now that unto itself, if most America would look at that for what it is and realize it, that would be seemingly unacceptable. But this is the America that says when the Constitution suits us, we'll use it. and when it doesn't, we'll dismiss it. That's the same people who brought America around the world to a great extent to be looked at as something as despicable. Look at what the head of the Philippines, the president of the Philippines, said about Obama lately. The Philippines wishes to disconnect itself with America so that it won't be subject to Muslim attack. That's a fantasy unto itself we could talk about for a while, but look at what this man says about Obama. Look at what your neighbor says. what people say about him that tell you they voted for him the first time. How many of those people do you know that tell you they voted for him the first time, told you they voted for him the second time? And with that framed question there, how is it that he gained the presidency? Continue that. This is the same government that allowed someone to sit in front of the Congress and admit that the, well, the juries are, the, not the juries, voting boxes are rigged. And has it ever been used in any election? Sure. And they allowed him to get up and leave. You don't think that they would take you prisoner and be nice to you, T. and crumpets and everything, do you? Now, the thing about this is, you know, eventually, we can use as example someone who's in prison now. and all of the charges were trumped up, all of the charges were created and they were able to point at this and point at that and something else and gather in a group of people that were unknowing about the aforementioned unknown objects, not to be redundant with the use of the word, but they convicted Bob Stewart for making machine guns when that was never his intent. That wasn't his intent, but when they displayed all of these things to the jury and lied and lied and lied, well, Bob Stewart went to jail. Eventually, all of those charges were overturned and Bob Stewart was supposed to be released. They come up with this tape that was a copy of a tape. Now you have to understand that they don't have the original. So really, they don't have any evidence. They don't have the original, so they don't have any evidence. But they come up with a copy of a tape that says, some guy that says Bob Stewart threatened a judge while he was in jail, the judge that convicted him. A copy of a... and they don't have the original. So Bob Stewart, all of the charges that brought him to jail, he was exonerated from him, but he's still in jail from some jail snitch that says, well, he said this while he was in jail. But, you know, Mark, you talk about if you have to go in, you want to find out who's gonna, you know, the group of friends, and well, you know, You don't want to hang out with, well, the Jewish folks. You don't want to hang out with the Chinese folks. And you don't want to hang out with the Mexican folks if you're a white guy. Unless you're, what's that phrase, uh, identity challenged. And then you'll probably be, you know, the scapegoat or the, you know, one way or another, they'll use you. One way or another. But the best thing you can do is not say anything. Rank in serial number. Name rank in serial number. But the best thing you can do is not go there. How do you do that? Sometimes it's not being where you're supposed to be and sometimes it's not being real regular and sometimes it's offering up, how does that go, mark equal force. As you point out, they're talking about things that the, you know, in the Bundy trials coming up, the defendants won't be able to wear a pocket pen protectors. There's a whole list of things that the... there's a dress code for the... for the defendants there. A whole bunch of ridiculous things that they can't wear. When I first heard this, I thought, well, this must be for people that are going to attend the, you know, be in the gallery, you know, to be observers. But no, there's going to be a dress code for the... those that are being charged in the... in the Bundy incident. This goes back over to that interrogator He's going to try to pick at you. He's going to try to find some familiar ground. He's going to try to weave this back in because see how we went all around it. We talked all around it, but we're still talking about interrogation. You'll talk all around all kinds of things. If you do not respond, if you don't say a word, those are the people that aren't going to They aren't going to want to be around. They aren't going to want to interview as much, but still they'll bring in someone who is mute just to observe them. Ask them the same questions today as they did three days ago and observe them. Now you can try to be that rock, but you know, you can try to be the stone. That blink of an eye at the middle of a particular question can tell them something. That littlest shake of the head. It doesn't even have to be a blink of an eye. Even if they're trying to get you, and he says, look at me, look at me when I'm talking to you. So now you're looking in the eye. Don't even do that to the man. If he says, look at you, pick a button on his shirt and look at it. He's really going to piss him off, it really is, because he wants to look you right in the eye. If you do this, if you're looking, he's looking in your eye still. It's not like you have gained any real total denial of any advantage for him. But if you choose to look at that button, the second button down, and just continue to look at that, he's still going to get reads of the eye that drops when some heavy something, a name is mentioned or a or an incident or something is mentioned and you drop that eye just a little bit, he's still going to see that. Look for the dinkiest things. They look with leverage as big as they can hoping to move pebbles and read what the pebble says. There's no other way to explain it. Because see if I can't rip your baby fingernail off, if I can't crush that and get you to talk, If I know that that's only going to produce 50% lies, 50% truth, and I can't discern the difference unless I get the same information from 100 other people and try to puzzle that thing together, the only other way I'm going to get the truth out of you is to sit and get you to talk. And get you to talk. And you might think you're not talking directly about, you might think you're not giving direct answers, you're skimming the subject, but every bit of information that they can gather from you can be useful because again, they might be interviewing someone down the hall, they might be interviewing 20 people down the hall, they might be interviewing 73 people in 14 other states, but now it's completely expanded the ordeal here, because let's do this. You're in one room and somebody you know is in another room and you know that they brought that person in because you watched them or you were arrested or you were detained or you were, you know, were ruffled from the rubble at the same time. You looked over there and you saw him, the gurney, they were wheeling away George too. Now they tell you, George is in the other room and he's telling us everything about, he's just giving up his guts and he's gonna go home tonight and you're gonna go away for the rest of your life and now you better start telling us what about George. Now think about what was just said. Think about what was just said. George is over there in the other room and he's spilling his guts and he's telling us everything about you and he's gonna go home tonight and you're gonna go to jail for the rest of your life. Now tell us about George. Have you taken that statement apart? Have you put the pauses in the right places and posed the questions? Because George is over there telling us everything about you. Do you really think George would do that? George is going home tonight. Do you really think George is going home? Really, do you? For anybody. Thank you, Mark. Or anybody. But see, they're dangling there. They're, I want to go home tonight. I don't want to be here. And they're saying that someone else is going to go home. And with that might be the promise that you could leave too. If only you rat on George more than he's ratting on you. But don't count on George doing anything over there. They're going to use that as a lever. Remember the lever, the big, big crowbar that they're trying to move pebbles with. Because George could be over there just as stone as you've ever known him, just as stubborn for that first three hours. And in the fourth hour, they come and tell you, George is over there spilling his guts. He's telling us all about you. They're trying to move that lever from George onto you. They're trying to use George as the lever to make you as easy to move as a couple. Don't ever fall for that. Don't ever fall for that. How do you avoid that? You shoot the buggers before they take you. How do you avoid that? You kill them when they come to kill you. How do you avoid that? You know that the government that sent them is rugged, corrupt, beyond their even acknowledgment. They're so far around the corner that they think they're right to the extent that you'll stand there and tell you the federal government has a right to defend itself. And they can't. They're so far around the corner they can't see the other two corners they already passed, right? Here's the thing, the discussion I've had the last couple days, every person has said the same thing, we need a revolution. I've just, I said, well, you know, we probably need to deal with this and you know what it's going to take. And you know what's funny? It's on everybody's lips. We need to push this. What we need is an American war for independence. We're not just fighting a revolution. Revolution is a generic term for what can be anything including the French Revolution. I would love that word. That's why I have great admiration for that. War of Independence. It's the best way to drive the nail home properly and tune everything up because we are a unique situation. We're not the French. They failed in their revolution and by the time they were done they ended up with a French emperor. Remember Napoleon Bonaparte. How long did it take? Well you count the years. It wasn't very long guys. Go ahead, call her. Jump in there. Hey, it was Carl in Virginia. Hey Don, those techniques you were describing, we can use those too. So it's not always free. I know. I know. One of the big things for us is we don't really have the facilities, the detention facilities. So, I mean, we got to think about that. We have limited space. to have a hold of ECW while questioning. Something you can do though is basically beat the crap out of their legs. If you hit their legs so much, so often, even if they are perfectly healthy otherwise, they physically cannot get away. So, no gates, no bars, no nothing. They crap out of their legs and they physically cannot go anywhere. I'm not thinking miss the leg, break the leg. I'm saying just, you know, they're just eating mush and they can't actually eat it. Yeah, muffle them up. Yep. Also, to help them to, you know, to crack, to start talking. make them feel more vulnerable. And something you can do is basically strip them barefoot naked. 100% naked and they're, they still, physically they're vulnerable. Sure. But that translates into a mental vulnerability. It attacks the psyche, yup. Absolutely. It attacks your core, yup. Yeah, so read Bravo 2-0. Anybody who hasn't read it, read it. You can get it for Chief at the used bookstores. Bravo 2-0 is about a British S.A.S. unit that was captured and the Persian Gulf War, the catch by Iraqis, and yeah, these techniques were used against them and every single one of them that was captured told all kinds of information. Right. You can't count on, you can't count on being quiet. They'll figure a way to break you. Every man can be broke eventually. That's why that Japanese stuck his tongue out, cracked his jaw against that window sill. You will not break me. Well, let's remind everybody again what they would have done, and they've done this time and time again, this is a standard SOP. They process UN. Now, they go through all of the regimented motion, they take everything from you, something was pointed out earlier, in all prisons, when you go into the state prison or the federal prison, when you come into a vestibule, they strip you out and strip you down and it is like a shower room in Dachau or a shower room in the Gulag, okay? From there you go to a small chamber area that has two, three, four, five shower stalls that are like toilet stalls. They're actually only about maybe a little over waist height in most locations. Many of them are old, usually not cleaned well, and that's where they have you initially scrubbed down, washed down, and they do a delousing of you, so to speak. They just wash. Whatever. Anyway, the interesting thing is that in the past you were able to take your Bible with you. No matter what. The federal government already stated it categorically, the courts did years ago, upheld by the states, upheld by the feds, that you have a right to your Bible. Now they don't even allow that. Typically they will take everything as you're processing in. The higher the security site, the more likely that is going to happen. Specifically if you're going from one complex or one system to another, one type of system to another. Once you get in there, they give you near new clothes, which of course are all issued by them. You don't have any personal items, period. Nothing. Zip zero. Only the only thing you'll have is whatever they give you. Then they give you the whatever minimal limited hotel type toiletries are the standard for whatever type of institution you're going into. You know, the short toothbrush, the soap, etc., etc. Then they of course issue your bedding and they throw you in a cell. At 1 o'clock in the morning, they burst in the room, they turn all the lights on, hyper-bright, everything's turned up, everything is turned up today, you know, nighttime, but activity, nighttime lighting. Then they take everything from you. Everything. Everything they just gave you, they take away. You have typically in your, in the site, the newer ones, your bed is made out of concrete. You have maybe a blanket or maybe a sheet. And the argument is that, well, you might kill yourself. And so they take everything from you they might kill yourself with, which of course is everything they just gave you. If you're lucky, they leave you with most of your clothes. Depending upon the facility and how aggressive they are, they may take some of your clothes right off of you and take back what they gave you. Then they leave you. Then they turn, if it's summer time, they turn the AC up. If it's winter time, they turn the heat down. And that's how you live. And they're hoping that they can get you to one way or another start to go a little crazy in the head. And that's with just a regular operation. Now, imagine, add to that motivation on their part to acquire information and no limits of law in place. See, that's the future of the gulag. That's the next step in the gulag. But the gulags are pretty well run like that right now. And it's the same MO over and over again. Especially if they want to put you in the solitary. And I've been in the solitary. I've been in some of the lures of the solitaries. Actually, for me, for as much work as I've had to do, it's like, dude, I don't have to bother with anybody else by yourself. Okay, granted, you see, the problem is usually in solitary. people start to go a little crazy in the head, so the guy to your right will be, you know, talking to himself and screaming at his lawyer. The lawyer's not there. And the other one is already been bouncing off the wall for maybe two months, and he really doesn't know where he's going. He can be anywhere, any given hour of any given day, 24-7. And that's your music and background all the while you're there. Multiply that time so many solitary cells there are. And then do that for two or three months. Maybe sometimes longer. That's just the beginning. And then like I said, give them the opportunity where they get to go crazy. Oh, or if they're really sadistic, they might just come in and beat you to death. Seeing that. Just something to do and they might take bets on how long you'll last. Or they'll drag you off to another part of the complex and beat you to death there. Seeing that. So that's the reality of, again, why it is you need to be prepared mentally for what it is that you may have to go into. Because the only thing you can look at is the other end. The dead time in between and then there's the other end. When you get out of the other end, you're getting you up all this time to build up and prepare for dealing whatever blows you can to utterly destroy your enemy. to do everything you can to kill every last one of them, to ensure that you remember every last one of them and that you hold a vendetta against all of them. You focus on that because you need to be against something. We are for something, but there are things you need to be against. And this country is so far on the corner. that is not going to be fixed anything other than a revolution slash an American war for independence. Because an American war for independence is what we really need to get rid of these royalists and these sycophants that have set upon us. It's just regular common people is the only option we have. They've demonstrated they're so flagrant about it. They've never been so flagrant about their violation of the vote, guys. in all the history of all the time that I've been alive and I've not been alive and I've not been around that long but my dad said the same thing and he just passed away but it's like he said we've never seen such arrogance never never such just in your face, we are not going to care about how we count it, we're not going to care about whether or not we even create the illusion that it's real. By the way, don't challenge us because we'll shoot you. We have the right to defend this crookedness. And that's why there's a need for an American war for independence. There are no other answers. And there's nothing else that's going to fix it. And some people go, oh, let's hope that we get... No, no, I'm not hoping for any of that. I'm not... I'm done with that. We've been doing this for decades. And there's always these minis, these income groups that come up and do the, well, we just need to go for peace. And by the way, those will be the people that betray you. I'm going to tell you that right now. I do not want you to be surprised. I'm never surprised, but I haven't been for a long time. that the ones who typically betray everybody are the ones that do the work. You guys are just crazy! After, because they wanted to play the game, they wanted to play the politics game, they want to be part of that other group because they have parties and they eat cake and they have hors d'oeuvres. And by the way, they get to sit around and they debate, although mostly they don't anymore. One side screams like a bunch of banshees and fruit lips and nuts, and the other one thinks there's a debate going on, but they never get to speak. However, they still get the hors d'oeuvres and they still get the good drinks. and they're wearing clean clothes and they don't get dirty and they don't have to worry about getting too must up or fussy about things. On the other hand, you're expecting, you know, action and if the action doesn't take place, then other actions will occur. Oh, I can't do that! I've got another party with our nerves planned for next week. And they told me, my enemies told me that, well, they don't like me, but they'd like me to show up so they can ridicule me. Oh, that's so much fun! Seriously. I mean, isn't that really what we've been going through now? And for quite some time, think about it. Again, Don, just real quick, before we, because we're almost to the top, are you going to be able to stick around or do you got to go? I got to go, Mark. Okay, let's do this because I don't want you to rush it. We got about six minutes plus before the top of the hour. Night vision technology, guys, if you notice it's getting darker sooner out there and it's going to stay darker in the later hours of the morning. That means you're going to be operating in more hours. It's been a really great moon the last couple of nights. I've got to say that, man. The moon has been blurring. I've been out at two or three in the morning and I'm telling you, it's like daylight out there. Well, of course, it's still, again, because of the cycle and where the moon is, it's setting a little later. But, you know, again, good moon. But we don't always have that and we're going to have some, even with the moon, there's some dark places you might want to investigate. I carry that little note that Don sold what many years ago now. And I kind of just spot check little dark areas. Of course I don't have as many because I put a bunch of those dollar store, dollar yard lights out all over the place. and they just wash whole areas. They don't have to provide a lot of light, guys, but they provide enough that when you've got starlight, oh man, it's like you've got a millimeter 100 yards down range. And you do. So anyway, Don, night vision technology, you have it, we need it. Please give us all the information, the web page, and explain to people about the web page and how they have to use it, and then how we can get ahold of you. Go ahead. Well, if you go over there, that's Y-D-T-O-E dot U-S again. That's Yankee, Delta, Tango, Oscar, Echo, dot us. You know, us, U-S. You'll see digital and green screen and thermal and gun sites in every category and well, you'll see prices there. I can't advertise, we've talked about this, I can't advertise for less than what you see there. But I can do a deal over the phone if you call me. just because, well, you're a Liberty Tree radio listener or you listen to the micro effect, I can offer you a special deal. That's one way to see it, but if you call me, I can reduce the price for you, give you a code that you'll enter in the box there, and we'll agree on that price first, and hey. When you look at the top end, you're saving enough money to buy one of those poly lower guns from Zeta there, and buy a whole bunch of ammunition too. That's how much I can save you from that top end thaw. Now that's, you know, that's a big end piece, but that's a lot of savings too. It runs proportionally all the way down to the entry level piece that I think is $179 for a digital viewer right now, and if you, if that's what you want, I'll pick up the delivery on that. So it'll be $179, that's what it says there, and it won't be any more. I'll grab the delivery on that. If you go up to like a second generation gun site there, that's a four power, that's the night arrow. don't have that two power available anymore, but the four power, second generation gun sight, they want $13.99 for that. We can do better than, oh let me see, we can do better than ten. That's one way to look at it, but I can't tell you the price over the air because that'd be advertising, but if you want to know the price, the real price of that gun sight, give me a call. My number's two, three, one, seven, nine, six, four, five, eight, again, two, three, one, seven, nine, six, eight, four, 5-8 the website ydpoe.us again ydpoe.us hey mark i opened the hour when you left with the thought uh no polls are saying that trump's running dead even with uh Yeah, I believe that. In fact, it's probably going to be real close, like 51 to 49. Isn't that that 53, like 47 dive bowl thing all over again? And isn't that how they keep coaching it? Because I don't think it's even close. To be quite honest, the real numbers, I can't find anybody, except for again, I'm around Ann Arbor, so you'll find some loons. But as far as all the people we've talked to, everybody is disgusted with that turd. And while they're not excited about Trump, it's like, well, if it was a choice between A or B, they're going the T word rather than the H word. So what does that say? Or they're pissed and they don't like either one, but they sure as hell don't like Hillary. Oh, I've talked with people who've never voted in their life or are coming out to vote just to try to block Hillary. Yeah. So again, that's interesting. If she survives to get to the election, as we know. But there's talk and you can find on the internet, the Democratic Party is talking about a replacement. for if the need arises. Right, which means that there's a lot more behind the scenes that everybody pretty well is speculated on that's actually going on. No, but her doctor says she just had a little bout with pneumonia. But you know, doctors, either they go into it for the egalitarian reasons, oh I want to help humanity, or they go into it for the money. You know, the Jewish mother, my boy's a doctor, oh he makes so much money, you know? Most of them are that way. I'm pretty certain of it because of the degradation of humanity. Now with that in mind, I'm pretty certain she could find a doctor that, well, if you've got 200 billion in the Clinton Foundation, you could take a couple drops of that and just apply them to the doctor over there and he'll say anything you want him to. But you know what that is? That's a bribe, isn't it? But you know what they haven't said? They haven't used that word bribe for anything that Hillary has done. How is it that the FBI guy, or how is it that the Attorney General says, we won't do anything, we'll just wait for the FBI, and passing that off on to Well, the investigators, instead of digesting the information that the investigators have brought forth. Out of $200 billion, you can grease a lot of wheels. Out of $200 billion, I'm certain you could find enough money to make a member of the Supreme Court under a pillowcase. Didn't tWitch move or argue? Oh, why don't we don't know? Because they whisked the body away and made sure that there wasn't any... appropriate autopsy at the site. So you don't need to check on that body. There might have been struggle marks. What's that skin under there? That flesh underneath his fingernails. Looks like he raked his hands over somebody's skin and collected DNA tissue that needs to be checked on. We'll do that somewhere else. We'll do that after the cremation. Yeah. It's all dust. Yeah. So again, most important here right now is that As we've said, organizing to mutually defend each other is the key to success. We're the little people. We don't have big bucks, but what we do have are numbers. Unlike most parts of the world, we are armed and armed well, but what we need is to take those arms and take our minds and work together to develop the skills, to embrace and develop the skills the Founding Fathers argued we all needed. Not just a select few, not just 3% or some little click. It's not how it works. And again, the 3%ers, that's one new version of, again, the militia ideal. But the militia idea is the bedrock of the nation, guys. Everybody is a member of the militia. Everyone. Everybody participates in the national defense. That makes us the greatest army on the planet and the greatest threat to anybody who tries to do harm to us. Any time that you have a core, central, professional military force, it is the bane of a free nation. Don't think so? Better start reading the quotes by Washington, George Washington. The standing army is the bane of a free nation. Well, we have a great form of government. We have to embrace it. That's what our goals are. Back in the throat, I don't want anybody out there. It's a real nice weather, but it's a great time to roll in on temperatures.