July 22, 2015
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1h 1m
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed weapons systems and caliber comparisons, including Russian versus American .50 caliber ammunition and field scavenging of military equipment from World War II. They covered holster designs and firearm carry methods, then shifted to federal attacks on gun ownership targeting Social Security Disability recipients with fiduciaries, comparing this to historical gold confiscation in 1933. The hosts analyzed commodity market manipulation through futures contracts and discussed precious metals as wealth preservation, emphasizing physical ownership over paper holdings and the importance of building local economies based on honest money and mutual benefit.
- second amendment
- gun confiscation
- social security disability
- gold confiscation
- precious metals
- commodity manipulation
- futures contracts
- federal reserve
- holster design
- 1911 pistol
- glock
- weapons systems
- preparedness
- local economy
- honest money
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You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors, so their children and people. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children? to live in fear and be a slave. O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free? This sorry about that guy's mute button was already off good afternoon. This is The first hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Wernke. And I'm Don Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and north. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... Liberty Tree Radio dot 4MG dot com Indiana Freedom Talk Radio dot com. We're on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska Hallmark Network from the top of Maine. to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the ark of the Gulf of Mexico, then in Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Big Jungle, Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd, 5th, 5th, and our friends in the recall state of Colorado. Waving the left coast where we have the great state of Jefferson, we turn back to the east, sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the smoky slash the Blue Ridge where the restaurant crews, grandma teams, OK teams, and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium of retired telecommunications workers bring us the Golden Spikes. Many hands make the light work. A million petticoat junction operators. Well, I'll tell you what, Don, it is warm. It's been beautiful here. It looks like it wants to rain again, like there's some rain-ally stuff on the edge. Just rolling through in smaller, lower clouds. Not enough to do it yet, but I can see things on the horizon. What's it like in your neck of the woods? What's the day today? And what's jumping off the wall, please? Well, it's one of those days that, if you're working in the shadows... And then you're working and you're working and all of a sudden your head's not in the shadow. In a moment you're thinking, man, why's my head getting so... It's not a bad day, but if you're standing out in the sun, that sun's beating down on you today. There's barely a breeze on this, the 22nd day of 1000. And it is a particular day, so with that in mind I have to empty that magazine well. So I can tell you with 1911 in one hand, and it's got an empty magazine well and a full magazine in the other hand, well... Well, touch that slide release that slides to battery. There's one in the chamber now and it is weapons Wednesday in the perimeter is secure and while I top off the magazine we can tell you there's plenty more where that came from and that means we can awful eat offer equal opportunity Coercive force for everyone that is listening the ability to defend yourself close-quarter fighting knife tomahawk mallet S-wing drywall hammer take your pick of small hand cannons from light to heavy, then moving out to shotgun and .22, from there on to light rifle and from light rifle to battlefield superiority weapons in the main battle rifle category. Remember the objective is to take each weapon and get you to a bigger piece of equipment depending upon the situation you're in. Let's not forget that beyond the MVRs there are crew-served weapons or heavier rifles still that are absolute battlefield supremacy arms in the 50 caliber range and crew-served weapons that will put lots of rattle battle down range when you need it. So each is a progressive step up in our natural defense encirclement, the umbrella of control that we have. Well that begs the question. If you're moving up and you come across something and you come across a whole bunch of something, I think we've brought this question before, but would you, because I've asked, people have asked about this, would you compare the American .50 caliber, that NATO 9.7 to the Russian .51 caliber? We wouldn't be able to, the Russians can pick up our .50 caliber, belt an ammunition and run it right through their guns. 12.5 and 12.7. That's the difference in the variance. And we can't run it through there. Could I swedge that bullet down to ours? Yes, in theory we could. We actually could pull bullets, swage them, and they'd elongate by probably as much as an eighth of an inch, depending upon the projectile. But you're looking probably between Let's see, what would it be, 3 30 seconds and maybe an eighth of an inch in elongation, no more. Which would not be a problem with performance, that should be an interesting bullet. But it could be done. You'd have to break everything down and put everything back together, separate, save the powder. In theory, we could even... hard press the brass completely and then of course do a cut and ream for the case because you are, if you reconfigure you're going to stretch the brass while you're reconfiguring the size. And then what you would do is a shortcut, then a ream, and then one final spec check and then you start going back the other way. So it would take a lot, it would be remanufacturing like you're reloading everyone is what you would have to do. You have to size the case, you'd have to, you're going to do a trim and a ream. And then you're also going to with the swaging, you're, you know, there's two or three machines that could do that, especially a rock chucker. There are dies that have been built for doing that kind of work. So, or for the standard dies, just for configuration for consistency. A lot of guys run all of their standard 50 through. a compression die just to create consistency and diameter and to ensure that everything is circular to a certain spec for that gun. So that would be possible. But it would be a single stage press. It would not be like a, you know, everybody's thinking of Dylan here or something like that. You know, rattling off automatically. No, guys, it would be big but single stage presses. And they would be doing, you know, the yeoman's job on that. Go ahead. Well, that answers that question. I've had that brought up a number of times, so... I'd bring it to the hour because if you hear it out there, you know, there's other people asking it. The biggest problem is that they have both in service now. They have 50 caliber, our standard M2 type 50 caliber chambering and they've got the Russian chain, oh, this traditional Russian chambering and let's not forget there's some bigger calibers before you get to 20 millimeter. The Russians have had a lot of 14.5 millimeter guns in service for a long time. Yep. And those are decent weapons, they're just in an odd niche. Everything else is in the 12 range, the 14.5 is trailing up towards the 20 millimeter and then from 20 to 25s, 30s. So there's quite a spread, you still in, especially right now in service with APCs and support guns that are on board other vehicles or on board armor. Some main battle tanks or medium battle tanks even have supporting mid-caliber guns now. How much of a production run they're already on, I don't know, but they're already out there and advertised for market, so that means somebody's built them. So you're going to run into some interesting stuff. If it's a wreck, you're going to want to cannibalize it off that vehicle no matter what, but you want to keep the ammunition with the gun if the gun is salvageable. Step one, because we don't know for sure until we get a chance to inspect it. You may get good at it in the field progressively as the war develops. Most common scavengers for that type of equipment are mechanized troops. And the reason for that, guys, is that they've usually got something they can, you know, it's wheeled or tracked that they can mount the thing on. And so it's conducive, you know, for them that they would be the first to be the mechanical scavengers. During World War II, both sides, American and German, scavenged aircraft guns. It was not uncommon to see scavenged off aircraft wrecks, the light cannons and such that were either in turrets or in fixtures on board. With the Germans, they liked for bomber busting, both the Japanese and the Germans did this, they did what were called dorsal guns. You don't see much about this. We don't really have a comparison except we do have our turret ball mounts which the bendix mount wasn't, you know, blended towards pulling off the bomber and putting on anything. So basically it'd be scavenging the 50 caliber guns, period. Maybe the fixtures that they go in but that's about it. But the dorsal mounts could be any size. Now think about this, cannons up to 75 millimeter fired on an aircraft. 45 to 50 degree angle shooting up and to the rear of the plane. And the objective behind it is somebody goes, well your fighters can't reach us, ha ha ha, just barely. Well, so what would you do if you knew you could almost get there and you had something that could travel faster than your plane? You know what I mean, as far as a shell, well what did they do? To do more damage? They actually, both the Germans and the Japanese in their twin engine night fighters especially, were very prone to put anything up to a 75mm gun pointed up. And because of that, if that plane went down, it was typically scavenged and they'd turn around and figure out how to weld or bracket mount it onto an APC. They'd give you more firepower. However long you could get ammunition, especially if there was a pile of it on board that plane that came down maybe semi soft, Guess what? It's all going with you. You know how to do it, you just... Not a big deal to un... shall we say unbolt a wreck. You're not going to have to be too careful with it. And the important thing is you're trying to get the ammunition and the belts to go with it. If it's a bigger gun, hey, everything is crated up, and if you're lucky, it might even be a standard gun that you're already carrying, or maybe you're already capturing a lot of ammo for. The Japanese did the same thing, and they did it in a variety of different sizes, and even twin-pack gun mounts. So, you know, every plane might get, right might harvest, even if it was maybe an on the ground hangar queen, something had been wrecked during an attack. Hmm, you come across it. Let me give you a little hint of how that works. Remember John F. Kennedy's PT-109? Anybody remember what he had on the deck? What did he, yeah, I know. What did he have on the deck, Doc? It was a 20 millimeter cannon. Yeah, he scabbens the Japanese anti-tank gun. And they looked at it and said, is that a Japanese, is that a cannon? They found it on the island there and they kind of bolted it down to the deck, giving us a little more firepower. You see how that works? And so everybody did it. Contrary to what they tried to do, that prim BS, that's part of Hollywood to try and condition everybody. Once you get in the field, you figure out, hey, dudes, if it ain't nailed down and it's got some firepower, it's ours. And every man I knew that served in World War II in Europe did the same thing. If they came across an MG 34, it went in the half track. If they came across the working MG 42, we went in the half track. If they found another American half track that had been knocked out, everybody dead or abandoning it, guess what? They took every gun off it and they put it on their half track. Yup. Well he told me, our old carpenter friend, like he said, we had enough browning so every man could have been behind a browning whenever we stopped. Of course now the problem is that might be for a week or two, but then all of a sudden we hear this, boom. And you look back and your half track's not there anymore. Over again. Could be a direct hit from an 88. He said that happened more than a few times. Fortunately, they were only a handful or only one, maybe nobody hit it, hopefully. But he said there were several times they'd pile up goodies and then boom. It'd either get hit, get knocked out, or it pushed out enough they had to switch everything out to another vehicle and it was already loaded up so they couldn't take all the goodies with them. So they just stack them off the side and let somebody else scavenge them. So again, just a heads up there, when we're looking at that personal hand cannon, another thing real quick about that, the 1911 and the Glock and maybe the SIG are really cool for one reason that most people don't think about. How many different ways can I carry that gun? Now what I mean by that is there are some really nice shoulder rigs, belt rigs, and there's a whole bunch of new stuff that are these molded holsters, guys. You know, the Glock's come out with them automatically. In fact, Glock, I have one of them, I have a Glock knife. I didn't know they made Glock knives that came with some of the kits, but apparently if you got the extravaganza model, you get a, you know, a standard $95 Glock. Oh, I'm sorry, $500 Glock. Should be $95. And then you get the holster which has all these other little fixtures so you can angle it and taper it and you pin it all together. And then you got a Glock knife too which is really cool. But the Glock knives which are by the way all polymer like the gun are of course in a polymer sheath etc. which is really interesting. But there's one thing about these particular holsters that nobody really has kind of emphasized is they're great for mounting guns all over the place, guys. I can get a polymer frame holster for Don's 1911 there and I can bolt it inside a desk. I can bolt it right next to my knee in the desk itself. Right there where I can just have my hand down and somebody goes, I'm coming to kill you, I'm coming to... Yeah, because my hand was resting on my knee, the character all of a sudden starts to pull that out of his flasher coat. You know, the guys usually had no pant legs and no crotch covering and they'd flash everybody. They come in with a trench coat and they got some pointy on one side. You've got to figure, hmm, he's got an AK. He's going to probably try and kill somebody. He's already got your hand right over there by the knee and then over on the handgun. As he starts to move, you back up with your chair a little bit. The hand comes right up and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, dump that first seven rounds right into him. Here's the thing. It doesn't have to be there. One neat thing about these Glock fixtures is the way to call them because they're not leather, they're not nylon. They're molded plastic and because of the way that the fixtures are built for adjustment, guys you can have them stuck in between counters, you can have them built into cabinets, you know like bolted into cabinets, underneath shelves on cabinets, like you know in the kitchen that would be tough on a lot of guns, but one cool thing about that plastic, you know in this way it would be $100 or you know $95 or $125. The Glock is great because there's nothing to corrode or rust where you've got steam or a lot of moisture. Now it doesn't mean I'd abuse the gun too much because it's still got brass or aluminum or nickel plated cases. And that's always been an issue. But you know what? You can have a gun laying pretty much anywhere you want with these cool holsters that are built to form. and have the weapon stuck upside down, on an angle, laying flat up underneath the table, and they're not sloppy. In other words, when you grab them, they're not going to snag or tag on you because they're designed just to let it fly free. Some of them are almost childproof, but it'll jump to your hand with the right motion. Right, exactly. Well, you know, and what they did there, I noticed, was several, was they copied what was called the Folsom Prison Design. That holster has been around since the early 20s. It was made when basically the K frame started to come out. It was the Folsom prison holster. And basically it has a release button. There's a tag that actually holds the trigger guard. It just has a little lip that retains the trigger guard. So if you try to grab the gun from the person who's carrying it, unless you get a good bite and get your finger in there and depress the latch, The gun stays right where it is. Or at least let's put it this way. Somebody trying to jerk it out of the holster. It was an open top holster by the way. So it was very clean. While you're trying to do that, it's really noticeable. Chances are you'll turn around and back arm the guy, beat the snout out of him, do whatever you gotta do. But now you can make noise so it reduces the probability of him getting the gun. But if you knew how to use the weapon, I used to carry one of those for a long time because my dad had one. and he wasn't using it anymore, so I was like, oh, okay, I'll experiment with that. And they were a pretty cool idea. Well, the same is true with the Glock and the tire. A lot of these different holsters are building. And again, they have a primary holster mold. And then that attaches to the belt mold, the belt fixture, which you can angle it, taper it, you can make it higher or lower on the fixture, which means, guys, once you've got everything together and you go, what, with the wood screws and the fender washers, you can put that holster in any configuration that makes sense for you. So that makes it a fixture. That makes it a gun fixture. And that's kind of nice. In fact, to be quite honest with sheet metal, panhead sheet metal screws, anywhere in the car the same way. And again, while I like leather holsters, and leather holsters have been around a long time, and they've been used for this purpose for a long time, the one cool thing about a molded, specific holster like this is it's rigid, it's not going to collapse, it can't snag on anything, the holster's going to stay in place, that you grab the gun, you got the gun. And for vehicle operators especially, that's pretty handy. Think about it, for the drivers, and especially if, like our policy about being a pilot, if you have more than one gun, you can put those guns in more than one station, all the same weapon, but have them in different stations and make them work for you, which is pretty cool. Again, that's getting me to my bigger gun still, which either might be above my head or, you know, in the back of the vehicle, just back to the pack. We're back in a bag because it had to be there for the time being until we get into a real battlefield situation and everything is at your fingertips after that. Speaking of fingertips and everything and children and control, you know, like it was kind of mentioned obliquely, like, you know, some of them are like child blocks talking about whole truths. Let's go in the other direction because, Mark, I first heard this just the other day and it came to me privately and I thought, well, I'll have, but I'm sitting here and you guys, I tell you, with the television on in the background and the local news. And you know, the local news is talking about a new federal law, Mark. The feds want to pass a law, but if you collect social security disability, you don't have a security disability. They don't want you to own a gun. They're going to want you to turn in your guns with the new law that they're trying to... At this very moment, come to get the shotguns, they'll pay attention to the 50s, and those single shot 22 pistol guys won't pay any attention because they're not bothering my gun. Now they're attacking different social not to use the word redundantly, but you know, people who well might have been hurt on the job. I can understand if you're, you know, because you're disabled and in, you know, local nut house. So look at the reader because they're going to make that a law. And how many people do you think social security, you might, you know, you could be 23, 20, you could be 18 years old and collect social security disability. So it might not be an old timer. Someone from the Gooberman goes up and says, I see her, Mr. Lincoln, move to you. You got your first check for Social Security Disability last week. Now we're here to make certain you don't have any guns, bang bang. And the we is just the homeowner. But I point this out, and that's just some might develop from this, but there are particular groups now. This is like saying only more specifically immigrants than some people, but did you know that that used to be law in a number of states? I doubt it's still an equated law on some. If we all look around, particular in that time frame, the only people who really weren't immigrants or the descendants of immigrants were the American Indians. So how broadly that law could have been applied. On the books in any state or county, ready to make it illegal to bring that to your attention, Mark, because there's plenty of people out there who, you know, listen and they listen because, well, they're not at work. Why? Well, because they're collecting disability. What's it going to take to start it, Mark? the attacking grandma and the discussion this morning with a couple of our friends like it said uh... it's it's not just attacking grandma that way or grandpa that way because that coming that's that's not an effort for everybody says it can't be done all remind everybody about the golden silver confiscation all who was the big first of all i've i've never seen not that not that we can have the same argument for guns but you know of one-ounce piece of gold what does it do If I sit it on the table, it looks like what? A one ounce piece of gold. Doesn't kill anybody, won't bite anybody, won't hurt anybody. But you know what it is? It's legal tender. It's real money. And if you have it... you have wealth. And if you have wealth, you have a limited amount of security for as long as that wealth lasts, depending upon how the shysters try to tax you, charge you, charge interest, whatever. But it's peaceable. In other words, nobody is hurt by you owning a piece of gold. Nobody is threatened by you, you, the average American, the little guy, the grandma, with maybe a thousand dollars under her mattress. where she put it away a few pennies at a time she was able to collect enough to buy an ounce of gold when it was $200 dollars. Hell, she's been buying it since it was $36 dollars an ounce. Okay, or most important is she was buying it when it was $28 and then $32 dollars an ounce way back before the Depression hit. So Grandma doesn't live real high, she never has. Grandma's getting older and she has already seen bank failures and banks steal and thieve from people for many years before the Great Depression hit. She knows all about Shyster bankers, okay? So 1933 rolls around and the government perceived that Grandma was the greatest threat to America because Grandma could pay for things and take care of herself. The government wasn't going to be able to tax her off of her property. They weren't going to take her home. They weren't going to starve her out because Grandma had, even if she only had a few pieces of gold and a few pieces of silver and maybe some FRNs under the bed. All of a sudden her wealth became a threat to the stinking pig communist bankers and they made it illegal and they sought out people who they suspected of owning gold. Now you think about that and there were little rat pigs who, you know, backstab from one direction or another. I think Grandma has maybe a thousand dollars in gold. You could go get hers! What do I get for it? You get crumbs. Oh, oh, look, you're a robot some more, too. Why don't you go down, you see? No, that was just gold. So... One day the answer will be you get to walk away. Yeah, we might let you live this time. And by the way, if you were worried about her gold, how did you find out about it? What gold do you have and maybe you got some of hers? You're on the list now. I remember they eat their yam. So here we are with firearms same thing guys. Same scam and again do we let grandma or do we let grandpa? By the way, grandma and grandpa will probably be willing to step up and actually do battle. Which everybody is always pissed and mown about. Why isn't somebody okay? Well grandpa and grandma just stepped up to do battle ready to go to war. Call or jump in there please. Hey guys, a butter knife. all get to appear at what the butter i've got a little grab a record where japaner okay i wanted to correct something uh... dot dot a slightly garbled version of what's going on mommy's is corrected that i can attack on people through social security uh... it's it's a little bit more limited this time of course as the initial attack then uh... what got reported What they're doing is they're saying, anybody who's getting Social Security Disability and they've got a fiduciary, they've got somebody else's handling their money for them, they're presuming to be incompetent and they want to put them on the prohibited person's list. So, people that are collecting disability because of Alzheimer's or Down Syndrome or something like that, so somebody else is handling their money for them. Their argument is that everybody whose money is being handled by a trustee or something is obviously mentally incompetent. well uh... there are a lot of people who for one reason or another can't handle a checkbook or whatever the case may be that's not the same as saying that there are a danger to themselves and the neighbors and all that kind of stuff so obvious clearly a camels knows in the path type attack their goal is to start expanding and expanding and expanding the list of prohibited persons But this initial attack is a little bit more limited than the version that Don heard. So, you know, that's what's going on there. They're attacking people whose Social Security disability is being handled by a third party on their behalf. You know a fun one, and I thought about this because we had this conversation today. It's going to be more extent, you know what they'll do, they'll balloon it out automatically because it'll be interpretation. Well of course, and that's what all that military PTSD disability stuff is all about. That's what they have planned for that. So, you know, you're quite right that this is an incremental attack and they're just trying to, you know, get a wedge in and then start administratively expanding the list of prohibited persons. Well, I think the fun one, think about this, the reason they won't, nobody's mentioned this. Do we consider people who take PROSAC to be competent or incompetent? Well, for the time being, we'll say that they're competent so that we can get more of them on it, and then we'll change the rules and say, oh, well, you know, you've been taking it, therefore we retroactively declare you incompetent. Okay, but what's interesting is 56 million Americans are presently on a Prozac variant right now. Well, yeah, that's a success, isn't it? No, but here's my point. Why is it they won't do that? Why would they not? Now, let's think about what we've already seen with the map out. If all of a sudden, If you think about this, this is one we could promote and watch to see how they try to put the kibosh to it. Anybody who's on Prozac or a Prozac family of drug, any of the variants on the genetically engineered psychotropic drugs needs to be banned from access. Well, we don't care what it is, it's just the idea we want them to be banned from access of firearms. Now, here's one thing to consider. Most of, not all, but the biggest chunk of them are raving, screaming liberals. That's what's cool. Or, let's put it this way. Look at all these characters. Every one of the characters that was a Prozac shooter went out and got the only guns they've owned, be it while they were on Prozac, right? But typically, if you look at them, they're all leftists. Well, besides, they're generally recent purchases too. Right, exactly. So the point is, if they're on Prozac, see this is my point. If they're on the Prozac don't sell list, Wouldn't that naygate that the only option they have is to try to scavenge something else up but from the from the Scan that's been run so far. They allow them to now I know what's gonna happen here because right now I guarantee there's guys listening But my buddies on Prozac because he was in the army It was his mistake to take Prozac in the first place But I can't help that you see this is this gets into a whole problem with this drug being out there in the in the world number one If they cut it off tomorrow, we got 56 million crazy zombies on our hands. It would be a year before any of them would be cleaned out of the drug and all, and through the entire 12 to 14 month, they don't even know for sure how long it's gonna be. But for 12 to 14 months, they would all be probable psychotic episode, you know, zombies. Well that's a useful shock to a barbie that you don't even have to pay, isn't it? Yeah. It comes out of the woodwork right away. So here's the thing, on the one hand, and again for our soldiers and airmen and servicemen, most of them were put on it because they were told they needed to have a disability qualifier. You know, I'm having bad dreams. What did you do? I was a truck driver. Where did you go? I was, well actually back in the rim area. Well I saw blood on a pickup truck, but when they left it was like, well you know, you'll get more money if you're disabled. And it's like, well, oh, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, I'll get more money, yeah, more money's good. And then of course they go to the VA or they go to whatever affiliate doctor or medical or psychiatric support they're getting in. You get pro, you know, they're getting more than one drug. How many of these ads, somebody just showed me, what is it, not an ad, forgive me guys. You know, guys, go through the different postings in the social media and they're like, yapping right now, I'm Fred Schmidlapp and I'm a, I'm a Iraqi war vet, I'm taking this many drugs. And when you actually start to look at what they're taking, better to have them are psychobabble drugs. And they didn't really need them, but then again, once you get them doped up on one, it's a cascading failure. Are they going to argue about being doped up on more? Now, eventually they're kind of in a fog, but they're going, look at all the drugs I'm taking. Yeah, look at all the drugs you shouldn't be taking. But who's gonna tell him you know I got I got into this years ago What it was bad enough after Vietnam, but we had to go in and people were pissing all over us vomiting all over us Sweating bullets and now again the same people all get pissy and look down at you You know after the war this many other because they've been conditioned by the psycho Bevel crew And you know they'll even be either anti patriot or anti Malaylo. You're not patriot by the way give us more dope And it got to the point where with a lot of the conditioning, we stopped responding to people. And I'm going to tell you why, because it's one, two, five, ten, twenty. And after they were on the government dope, it's like you might as well be talking to a wall. You might as well be talking to a board. So it's like, oh, we can't waste our time with this. Our whole life would be wasted on somebody else who's wasting their own life, but they're listening to people who are intentionally destroying their life. And we're in the same situation right now with a lot of these people who are doing the same stinking thing again. And it gets to be old hat, but it also, it is wearing on your system. They drag you down and I mean and the sad part is it's like you can say don't do that and they're like oh, yeah Okay, I see what you mean and then they go in and well, you know They pressured me and of course all of a sudden the person is more of a couch potato than ever before you know They're kind of like got that pregnant paws thing going and they're like they weren't doing the thousand yards tear before but they got the Prozac thousand yards tear now You know think if you run into these people I have a lot Only because the circles we used to run in, we used to be part of this response group, everybody used to take care of each other, and there are a lot of guys that try to help certain people. They didn't, they liked the government and the attention, and eventually blew their own brains out in the process while they were very much alive and kicking. And I don't see it in our get, I see it worse now. Go ahead, I'm gonna go to the caller, go ahead, jump in there. Yeah, you know Mark, you're talking about gold. Gold is at a five-year all-time low right now. It's like right over a grand. It's about $1,072 an ounce right now. It's low. I still can't afford that. Yeah, I mean, it's so low. What the hell is bringing it down? No, that's not low. No, wait a minute. Now back up. Okay, stop. No, I mean, it's low. That is not a good idea. But stop that. I'm serious. It's not low. $1,000, we paid $1,000. When I first started, I could first buy gold and I kicked myself in the arse. When they first released gold, remember the Staun, BK, anybody out there is my age. I remember when you could first start buying gold and it was 30 some dollars an ounce for a short time because that's where it was at. I didn't have 40 and 50 bucks. But here's what my brother told me. He said my middle brother was a gold trend. He says you just keep putting this away. My middle brother is unique. He's different. But he was still common sense, like he said, you scrape up any bottle caps, you put anything you can together, and you buy gold because it's going to go through the roof. Guess what happened? The Hunt Brothers. My middle brother is a rocker from the 60s and 70s. He was into all of that garbage, top to bottom, guys. and you know the people who have been seated all the stuff like he said what he started moving gold he said let me tell you what's going to happen and he goes to be a couple evening he said take every penny you got just keep scraping together and just keep buying out the gold or buy some of this silver it's dirt cheap but like at that time it was seventy-some sent an ounce sixty cents an ounce forty cents an ounce i could afford that you know what i had other things to do and then i think even in the nineties two hundred dollars an ounce Now what was happening? The economy was better then, guys. No, I know. I'm only a year younger than you. I remember when it was low, too. I'm just saying, it was a 16. I mean, you know, it's so balanced. I'm just wondering if this Iranian thing had anything to do with it. Here, let's look at the read. Because if I have a whole lot of something, a commodity, and I'm comfortable with what I've got, but I want more, If I want to drive the market down a little bit, I'll sell some of what I've got until the market starts to go down. I'll keep that money, and remember I wanted some more because I've got all of these slaves working for me. So I take that money and once I've driven the market back down, then I buy my initial gold back that drove the market down and even more, and this is what China is doing as we speak. There's another factor at work here. You may or may not have heard of Friday evening program where we talked about options and derivatives and stuff like that. But an awful lot of the metals trading that goes on is in the form of futures. It's not an actual price, it's the price of a futures contract. contract to buy a certain amount at a certain price and so on. There are a lot more futures contracts out there than there is actual metal available. If you have done an IR each bank's and we decide that we want to run the metals market up or down, what we can do is we can sell each other futures contracts back and forth at a given price and log the transaction and the computers are kind of follow that and they say, oh well all these transactions have occurred at this price and it's a rising price or it's a falling price. Those aren't real transactions. The only cost we're paying is the cost of manufacturing the paper security and registering it and running it through the computer systems and so on. But an enormous number of fake transactions can be shot back and forth by colluding computers to run the price up and down, and that'll get reported and affect real transactions. So, that's one of the mechanisms they use to fake this stuff, to push the commodities up and down like that. It's not just metals, it's oil and it's everything else. That's one of the big tools they use to completely manipulate these markets, to just drive them one way or the other. You know, you and I are colluding to run the price up of something if we have an actual holding or we hold options on that actual thing. The price goes up a little bit. Our options go up a lot. We can pocket a lot of cash. Then we run it back down again and we have the opposite kind of options. that benefit when the price goes down, then we make a lot of cash there too. So running it up, running it down, as long as you know which direction it's going to go and you don't have a lot of transaction costs, you know, you can make a ton of money. Now you or I as individuals have high transaction costs. If we wanted to play around in the future, not only would we have to put up a lot of cash to play in that game, but the brokers would take a big charge every time we go in or out of something. But the big players, the big banks, the brokerages and so on can play these games and they don't have any cost because they don't, you know, they're just... I was just reading that the feds told J.P. Morgan, for example, that they have to raise another $12.4 billion right now to put in their reserve fund because they don't have enough cash to cover losses. But they want the feds, I just read that they want J.P. Morgan to raise $12.5 billion and put it away in case... You know what, it's a fan. They want the JP to have more protection. So what she just said is probably true. They're JP Morgan's playing games to raise a cash. Well, that's what it is. Yeah, Morgan, Goldman Sachs, all of those guys. They just dial these commodities around. There's a limit to how far they can twitch them by fake transactions. But they don't have to move them very far in order to make a big pile on these leveraged trades. As long as you know which direction it's going to go and when, you can make a bushel of money with no risk. And they've been doing that. And they've been doing that for years. It's just one of the ways that these bankers just exist as sort of a taxing authority on the economy. They're just allowed to just drain resources out of the economy for contributing nothing. I'm sorry Mark. Well, a hell of a lot of people bought gold at $1600 that they just lost their ass. No, they didn't. If they mechanically have the gold, they haven't lost anything. Again, if you bought the gold, okay, stop and think about this. I've said this a million times. If you bought the gold at whatever price, did the gold change at all? Yeah, you still got it. It's a value that you could have gotten more, but you've got it. Well, they got caper coal. They have paper which they should never have and we've got to keep reminding. Anytime you talk to anybody, well, I've got it. I talk to my commodities broker. Really, well, get the hell away from him, number one. The whole idea is if you mechanically have it, physically have it in hand, what is Texas doing right now? Now, why Texas is doing it is still up in a question mark. Is Texas being occupied by the Shaster Bankers so they're willing to spread the gold down to Texas? Or is Texas recovering its gold and making an effort to become independent and seize the writing on the wall? Whichever it is, that's what we have to determine first before we go any farther with saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. But the bottom line is having the gold at the price will be jacked up and down by the fictional paper But that fictional paper is going to vaporize There's a point at which you're gonna hear this like you know that flash like from the old box cameras with a pan full of flash powder That'll be those commodity papers disappearing. Now when all that settles anybody with bullion wins That's all they should be thinking about. Anybody, if you're going to buy silver, going to buy gold, recommend copper because when they, the fact that the, like, JPMorgan Chase and the others have been told to start holding back cash, the last several, well, actually, for the last couple months, Chase will not let you do anything in cash transactions if they can help it. And they won't take cash, but they're saying, many of them you can't pay in cash, you got to pay with a money order or a check, or you got to use your debit credit. They don't want to release one, and they're trying to do that cashless side of the garden. Not for them, but for you and me, because they don't have the gold, although they have some, but they're stacking up paper like it both, because that's part of that part of the cost. qualification and technical standard of having that 10% on hand that in reality goes back to what they did back with Y2K. Remember they only had enough money to cover four to six depending on which Federal Reserve Bank. Four to six dollars out of every hundred dollars worth of digits that they had in service. Whoever got there first, if Don got there first or BK got there first, then well, where's Crude? because they couldn't cover that. Well, what they did is they changed the law and said, you have to have $10 for every hundred. Basically, 10% of whatever those fictional numbers are, needs to be backed up with paper currency. So remember that what the Fed did is passed a law that forced them to generate by through the printing press, an additional about 5%, in other words, $5 on the $100 worth of nothing. And it had to be out there in physical paper in reserve before Y2K and they did it. They actually accomplished that. Right, but if you want to buy physical gold, they charge you a little CD if you want physical. Always. It's hard to get physical. I mean, I don't understand. Yeah, it's called Spot Plus always. It used to be that was very reasonable. You could buy tons of silver when we told everybody to buy it back when Liberty Tree Radio Well, forgive me, when Republic Radio Nation, when we were doing the program, it's like we said, you could buy scrap silver for 5% over spot, and that was your fee, that was everything. Now try and do that and see what happens. Again, are they going to charge you the paper price? Are they going to charge you the actual exchange rate? Because for the last two and a half years now, the fictional commodities number is not the number that anybody is working with when it comes to actual trading behind the scenes for physical gold, physical silver, and even copper. You go into a jewelry store and buy a gold Rolex, you're going to pay out the you-know-what. Right. And again, now that's not a bad choice provided you actually get a Rolex, because you know that there are copies, but the copies even, you know, there's different grades of copies. There are some copies of Rolexes where you really don't care whether they're a copy, and people don't talk about that. Well, it's a real good copy. What do they mean by a real good copy? Well, it's kind of like when they talk about, you know, you've got conflict diamonds, Don. You have conflict diamonds. What's a conflict diamond? They're blood diamonds? They got them separate from the Jewish mob because they control diamonds. So what's the difference? Well, like you said there, they got to give it a name so you go, ah! So but what's the real difference? It's like when the blood diamond is basically anything not controlled by the De Beers' cartel. Exactly, but it's a diamond. So when you hear about some of the Rolexes, remember that there are connoisseurs of counterfeiting. And there are some guys in China or Bovard, Malaysia, Indonesia who are scraping out a little copy of a Rolex that, eh, you know what, it's got all the 80% image but ain't none of it a Rolex. You've got other people who are really good and wanted to make a good quality knockoff copy. So it is gold. It does have platinum. The bezel is crystal. It really is what it's supposed to be. It's just not from that factory. It's not from those jewelers, it's from another jeweler. That's why you'll hear them when they make comments. You've got to pay attention when they do that. It's a real good copy, a real good high quality copy. So it's worth buying. In fact, it's gold. In fact, the average person couldn't tell the difference, even if their life depended upon it, whether or not it's a Rolex. Another thing is, let me give you an example because that works into this word play. When you talk about the learned elders of Zion, okay? The Jews never say, the Jewish mob never says that it doesn't exist and it's a fake. They say it's a facsimile. That's wordplay, guys. It's a facsimile! It's a facsimile! Well, what is a facsimile? What is a facsimile, guys? Copy. An exact, not a copy, a virtual exact copy. So they don't say, oh, it's a lie, it doesn't exist. Oh, that's a facsimile. In other words, that's a copy of their original. So they're not lying. What they're telling you is, oh yeah, everything that's in there, oh, it's real. But you see, it's a facsimile. It's a copy. Well, if it's a copy, then it's like me walking up. It may not be a dollar bill, but everything on it says exactly what's on the dollar bill, doesn't it, guys? Image of a dollar bill. That's not a real one. That's a copy of a dollar bill. Yeah, it's got everything on it that's in the dollar bill, doesn't it? Everything I read on that dollar bill is true. It's real. It's exactly how it should look. It's just not made by that factory. The money factory. So, kind of tells you about the game. And it's wordplay with everything. All of what we're talking about here. This is where, the important emphasis, really what we've been trying to stress is, guys, we're buying the gold and the silver and the copper, not for them, not to do business with them. I have always looked at any of this, I put pennies and I put copper pennies away every time I find them. I put nickels away because I'm not rich, but what I do have if I run into stuff like this, I am patient and meticulous. Every nickel I put away is for us because down the road I want to be able to deal with BK and I want to deal with Mike and I want to deal with Bob and I want to deal with Fred and I will be able to be in equity deal with Don. I want to be able to be civil. I do not wish to be a black uniform, knuckle-dragging pig. I do not want to be one of the Empire's thugs. I am not going to steal from somebody. To do that, we have to understand economy and how it works in a real, honest society, not this ballooned-out, eccentric, twilight-zone BS we've got going, which is just like the politics and everything else in our society right now. We are trying to come up with a solution. We are not looking at it. The idea is that it's mutually beneficial. If you want a retirement, you need to be able to secure a retirement that everybody will respect and understand and will make sense down the road. In other words, the ability to trade and to do it in such a way that as a 70 or 80 year old man, you don't have to fight your way to the food line, but instead have the ability to take the wealth that you've accumulated and utilize it in degrees so that you can regulate your life to the end of your life with a certain amount of comfort and sense, common sense. See, that's the whole idea behind good money and how it's supposed to work. And the only people that are going to make that happen is not just us carrying a gun. It's us knowing how to be part of that integrated process of justice and economy. And that's what we're fighting for. That's why we're going to go to war because we know that it's so askew. We have to fight. We have to, if we're going to secure our old age or our liberty in any way, and we may not die of old age, you wanna know why? Because they're gonna try real hard to kill you. But you know, don't you guys all believe that they're gonna really try to kill you anyway? Now, one of us is planned for retiring or living to old age without being punished for having existed. Number one, most of you are probably white. And if you're black and you associate with whites and you're not violent and you're not a knuckle-dragging fruit loop, you'll be punished. And if you're an Indian, you'll be punished. No matter who we are, think about that guys. We're all on the menu. There's a big pile of rocks down there in Georgia that tells you that. I also read that the feds just put the kibosh on Silver Eagle sales. They've done that three times and every time they have it's because of the exhaustion of the supply into the private sphere combined with obvious interest by people who have absorbed their total production. What happens is that the mint has to buy it at market prices. And from time to time, when they play these games and drive the prices away from the real market, then the mint is not able to buy that immense spot and they run out. So from time to time, that sort of calls the bluff and then the manipulators have to let go and let the markets bring back a little bit, lest it become too obvious the mint stocks up and then they go back to playing their games. Well, one of the things that we need to do is again, copper is the other area that people can afford. Most people, if we're buying gold right now, guys, we're looking at a tenth of an ounce in order for it to be affordable, which is where people, the industry has gone. If you'll notice, they've always had one tenth of an ounce coins. Even in the Krugerand, they offer different increments in sizes, not just the full Krugerand that everybody's familiar with. Every currency that has been a strike currency like that has offered lesser increments that made it more affordable. Now back in the day when the Crew Grand was around, it was big. It wasn't a thousand dollars a coin. It was standard market price, you know, at about $225 to $237 right around there. Think about it. And then the lesser coins would have been proportional by weight. So you could actually afford it. But here's the thing, in 1993 or 1991, guys, we were all making, the country was making more money in general and had an industry, and the price of gold and silver was down. $200 an ounce. Now the economy has gone where and the country has gone where. It's like the workforce has gone to what with regard to brains or the lack thereof? You know, they're building a new seller. Don't even gotta leave. I gotta go, Mark. When I get a jump off your number for night vision and give out the website, please couple times the numbers two three one seven nine six eight four five eight again two three one seven nine six eight four five eight the website three w dot y t t o e dot u s that's y d t o e yankee delta kangol oscar echo dot u.s. Thank you Mark. Very good. And guys, the idea is the wealth that you put together is for your benefit and then your for us to operate it has to mutually benefit each other so that we support each other's ability to make an economy work. Always think that way. It's beneficial for you to see this stabilized through our processes, not the aliens, not the foreigners, and yet international-faster bankers. We have to be the solution. God bless the Republic. Just to the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Of course we could do it to buy more Republic doesn't we? We have photocopy machines. Why we could just crank our currency by the ring. start adding zero yeah it's zero zero and then one day when the whip cracks they say that it is worth how much compared to the what it will be seven toy smarts on the dollar once again but it was a billion toy smarts a minute ago yeah yeah it was we just bought the W.S.C.A.W.A.L.E. type and go back well we are at the top and again we'll be back if you missed down your number for night being the closest we did two three one seven nine six eight 845-838 website 3w.ydtot.us Thank you Mark God bless America. Let us help you find the right shotgun or rifle for you. Or if you're looking for a pistol or concealed carry, we have a nice selection of compact and subcompact pistols for that too. 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