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O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms He'd fought to keep what would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free Good evening ladies and gentlemen, this is the evening Intel report. I'm our quirky and I'm Don Butcher One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters behind the lines in occupied territories West, Southwest, East, Northeast. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... ...reradio.4mg.com, IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com. We're on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and Ultra. We use East and West of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Hallmark Network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the yard from the Gulf of Mexico, headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the 3rd, the 5th, and our friends in the recall state of Colorado. Waving the left coast, we have the great state of Jefferson. We turn back to the east, sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi line and the Smokies, where the restaurant crew's Grandma teams, OK teams, and the Bob Bell Grandma Consortium bring us the Golden Spike. It has been a very busy, busy week. Even though it's only Monday. Don, what's the date today? What's jumping off the wall? What's it like up there in your neck? Take over for a minute, please. Oh, no problem. Hey, it's Monday the 13th. It's 2015. Beautiful day. It rained a little, just enough to keep everything wet and green, instead of getting crunchy underfoot. Beautiful day. Now it's clear. Maybe we'll have a little bit of cloud. Beautiful sunset behind me. I won't see it. At any rate, the Monday the 13th. A whole bunch of things are running through my head here, kind of percolating from the first hour of the afternoon. I want to just speak on cars for a minute, because it's been said that it's going to be kind of hard. How do you do? Well, it's all that much better because the other ones, your car will be much rarer because most of the other Mustangs and Camaros and Chargers and so on and so forth. even neon since it's been said of this era right today in 30 years a neon will be a highly collectible car because so many of them have gone to the junkyardens for so many people it was there to get one to the other side is going to be kind of hard for a number of ways how big is it it is value let's talk about value because in refer to a little bit of history and and movies and documentaries and newsreels and well what do they call those people? Refugees? People who don't want to stay around in the war zone? You look at, sometimes it's a wheelbarrow, sometimes if they're lucky they've got a cart and a donkey or a horse and a four-wheel cart and you know a wagon and then they're moving a whole bunch of stuff but see films out of oh why we fight. Tunisia when one of the cities in Tunisia is being bombed, walking across the street are falling and bullets are falling from, see when there's dog fights going on up in the air, bullets fall out of the sky. They don't go forever toward that airplane and curve and eventually, or they just don't go straight up into the sky into outer space. So this guy is walking across the street in a battlefield and if you didn't see the film, it's hard to believe, roll away bed, the frame, you know you can see the two sets of wheels coming down and if you look real close it's black and white and kind of you know exactly what it is because you can see the rest of the frame and the mattress captured in that roll up bed frame is clear as a bell and that's apparently the only thing in the world that is of value to him because well it's the only thing that you see that he's trying to take with him away from the war zone. Now you hear stories about grandma got this out and grandpa smuggled these out and they got in an airplane and flew out and all kinds of things about moving things of value away from a war zone or out of immediate threat of, oh, sure, or commandeer or just plain theft. Pretty hard to hide a car. We don't need to talk much. are fun and it would be nice to have the car, your first car, and then go through the war and then on the other side of the war still have your first car. Sure, that would be bragging rights. You could polish your fingernails on your chest like Popeye when you're telling people that if it happens. But chances of that are going to be skinny to none for a number of reasons. Why? Well, one reason when the other side starts losing and they will. They'll try to pump in more from external and we've addressed this. And you know, if you don't have the Chinese paratroopers dropping in your backyard just because, well, that's a place where there aren't a whole lot of people right now and they can insert a whole lot of people, might be your backyard with that car. We need not talk much more about cars. But even without external influence, you know, Chinese, Congolese, North Vietnamese, oh, oh, Vietnamese, whatever, dropping in from parachute or glider or just, you know, into the nearest international airport, your side starts to look it will become more and more vindictive. It will become more and more desperate and try to punish. Ignore that garage in the country with, you know, there's some four Harley Davidsons and two Corvettes and a Charger and a Roadrunner with a big wing on the back. They might have ignored that. But now when they've got nothing else to do but strike at something out of pure hate and vindictive, you know, just to be vindictive, just to the last and It's going to be hard to get cars through. We talked about other things as far as value goes. Other things like tools and the ability to have tools that make tools. Don, now you're talking about something that needs a shop. Yeah, but it's a lot smaller shop and it can probably be moved. You can actually, I know that there are some bits of machine work that, it can't be made much smaller and men, you need that to do that. CNC machines do a lot of things even what other machines that were imperative and other industry like broach machines, well, if you know what a broach machine does or can you run one, CNC machine will do all of that now, but that broach machine, that's not something you just pick up and put in the bag. So again, we've talked about tools. We've talked about the ability to have tools that can build you more tools. Mark has hammered that home over the years, but again, it goes back over to what is of value and what is necessary help make that bridge. Right now a lot of us are living under that bridge that Clinton built us to the 21st century. Think about it. He promised to build us a bridge to the 21st century and a lot of us are living under it. Whether you've got a roof over your head or not, it seems like men just living under a bridge. Talk about, wow, look at what's on the hill and what's coming and surviving that bridge to get you across that major threat or the bridge that will help you or keep keep things in the field that help you get across that. Now you're talking about things of value, right? Again, you know, it was pointed out, oh man, anything from that area is gonna get 20, 30, 40, you know. Man, if it's an American Motors machine, one of those matadors with the 390 in it and the big rear end and that Dana rear end in it and that, I can't remember what tranny, but man, you could drop a rock and it's almost like a rock, it was a real strong four speed. Suppose it was red, white, and blue in 1970, those are probably $100,000 car now. Again, $100,000 toward doing things. There's some kid out there or some guy, I wanted one of those when I was a kid, who would be, well, some kid made it big on this, that, or the other thing. He'll give you that for it. Can you do with that? As far as, well, we can take that and we can buy this, that, and the other thing. You know what? We could build almost all the parts that go into that motor book for the block. and you talk, we don't need forged pistons, we'll have billet pistons, we'll have pistons cut from solid pieces of metal, not forged. Billet, we'll have billet connecting rods when we're done. Now when you start to talk about building a crank, now you're talking about indexing and that's a lot more complex than building a connecting rod or building a piston in that order. A connecting rod's a lot easier to build than a piston. A crankshaft is far more complicated to build than either of the aforementioned items. even if it can throw cray more three-dimensional things going on there. Hey Don, I mean what would a good, uh, you know, shop, you know, cost in your opinion? I mean, what kind of money are we talking about? Right, right now there's some right here in Michigan actually I'm right next to the place that does the importing. Smithy, well you can get a pretty decent piece of equipment for as little as about $1600. machine shop for all practical purposes. 32 to 36 to 38 will get you a mid-sized machine. We're still talking small. We're talking all these machines that fit into a corner of a garage. But, you know, 8,000 will get you something with actual full CNC capability. You can be able to do pretty much anything you can imagine and repeat. It's purely a matter of the tooling. That's the big thing we need to invest in, is tooling. and it needs to be now. I grab every piece of equipment like that I see at yard sales or that people are tossing out or want to go to the scrap yard because a lot of people, companies are going out of business, they take stuff over to the scrap yard. We have bought tons of tooling, cutting edges, scrapes, bars, you name it, drills, drill rod, you know, virgin drill rod going over the scrapyard because the machine shop is folded and this brand new never used drill rod for making drills, for building what you want, making the tools that you need to make everything. Goes over and ends up in the scrap pile. Gusting, I mean, but it can't go on forever because there's not that much left. But if you get an $8,000 CNC weighted 220 to power it or 110 to power it? Actually you can run 220 or in fact now a lot of people are always worried about three-phase. A lot of the equipment Don is talking about like the big machines were three-phase. There's a couple of tricks for running other than three-phase with a three-phase system. There's two ways to do that. You can actually set up a complete three-phase system with off-the-shelf technology or you can actually step it down and work off 220. There's a couple different ways that work to get the older machinery that required three-phase supply, but most of these are 110 and 220 that you're dealing with and the majority of the lines here are 110. Again, quite manageable, power supply easily accessible, that could be a good idea, solar for support for backup but you can't hear how long you can run we're looking at heavy machinery is a very different formula the uh... the idea is that the smaller machine could do a pretty much a lot of what needs to be done especially if you look at doing step production in other words one machine does one process another machine doesn't other process get two three or four machines in a line you can make a stand gun or you can make a uh... Well, really, the Sten gun is easier to make than a grease gun. A peppish is more complicated than a Sten gun. I've pointed out for years, if we started out making them in the beginning and cranked out better quality ones, then it's a totally different beast and it would more than serve our purpose for the submachine gun category. So, just an idea. And it could all, remember the Sten gun was, cost a whopping $2.75 during peak production in World War II. $2.75 for a submachine gun. But it was all made with hand-made parts. Literally where Grandma bent one piece of metal, Don, he braced another piece of metal to another and that's all he did. And all I did was drill holes in things. Comparatively, the cost of a single Thompson was obscene. Yeah, you could get dozens of, you know, dozens of Sten guns for the price of a Thompson. Oh yeah. But imagine if rather than it being a desperation gun, you take and look at it during a high point while you're in better standing, and you have better materials. When you had the luxury of building Tomsons. Yeah, exactly. Then how many more Sten guns would you have to hand out so that everybody can gun down the bad guys? See, that's what they don't want anybody to think about it. Always, it's hard to make guns, and it's hard to only if you make them grossly overcomplicated. Right. And again, crude and rude, it does pretty, there's no such thing as pretty. Crude and rude. That's the first rule. Finish. One of the things I have to point out is we're beating up the evolution of that style of rifle. You know, the Thompson came a long time. Well, not that long, but long enough to see a lot of progress. Yeah, you know. So that makes a real good point. You know, I mean, you go out and you buy a $40,000 charger or you spend $40,000 and you make the ultimate shop on wheels and you're the big boy in the block when all this, when the, you know what, hits the ban. I mean, you know, it makes a lot of sense. Either you buy, you know, I mean, obviously you're going to want that shop, but the hell with the car. I mean, you know, now with what we've got coming up. Actually, you can do it. What could you find one of those vehicles for now? We actually convert those over most. It's what Monahan's job is. Toad trailers and mobile units are turned into radio rigs. Again, you can make them small machinery shops. For instance, a camper could be a great drill shop. You could have one person sleeping, another person operating the machinery and just keep cranking them out. You do just like any other combat operation. You could be non-stop in production. Oh, some of those nice spirals that come off of that hardened steel, you clip them down and you count them as weight when you load your shotgun. Boy, oh boy. Creativity as far as nothing would go to waste and nothing is scrap. Nothing is going to be scrap. everything would be used. There would be no, we have no choice. Whatever we have is all we got. So like I said, automobile wrecks would disappear simply because they would be consumed. Oh, like hands and vultures on a carcass, exactly. Yeah, eventually there'd be, you know, the wiring for improvised munitions, the explosive devices and the dash if the airbags haven't gone off. You got everything you need to be pretty mean with just one automobile, but they don't want anybody to think about that. Oh, wow. Just think about all the bad it's on board. You got plenty of, in fact you got a miles worth of small or light gauge wiring which is enough to send a trickle charge downrange to go, come on, come on. Time comes and you even got the 12 volt battery under the hood which gives you more than a little trickle charge. And how many switches and doggles and fixtures, you even have a light, if you need a little LED light, even to pull an LED light to give you a positive on your power supply the whole nine yards, oh you're real fancy. And all of it out of the vehicle. spotlights for security, LED lighting for underground use, those backlights are all red, LEDs are their shielded LEDs that are in red, those get pulled out, those get put overhead. I already do that, in fact right behind me. Guys right behind me. I got one sitting here right now It's rude and crude but if you were to put them in a place where you couldn't see them with your night vision and they overlooked a field or something They'd be good for short-term term Elimination because somebody would probably want to shoot them out pretty quick sure they'd be as good as a flare and and very target specific you point them there and look at what it does to that field for a quarter for 3 eighths for half a mile depending on where you put them and what device you have. And all you do is pull the wire harness you got and you can actually get so many feet of wire to extend the fixtures out, bury the 12 volt battery in the ground, use a couple pieces of the sheet metal to create a shelter for the battery, run the wires out, run another wire out for a control switch and use one of the switches off the dash or off one of the doors. And, you know, for control, and when you hit it, click, she goes up. You could even use one of the plunger switches off the door and put it on 100 or 200 feet of trip wire. Yeah. It's going to go off when they move through this field. And guess what? When that bank of tail lights go on, they're going to know it. Yeah, I remember Henry was talking about it. He had a friend that was a, you know, a master mechanic. And he had one of these portable vans with a mobile shop and he could do anything right from the back of his van. But I mean, if you don't know nothing about CNC machines, it probably takes you months and months to learn how to use them, I think. I mean, you know. That's the whole idea. Do you have to be on the... Well, here's one of the things. You don't have to... It wouldn't take as long as you think because... There are, there's every number of different classes or videos on YouTube. Right now you've got the opportunity before even only equipment to go through and peruse the technology. Right, not to mention download it. So during that 99% boredom, you alleviate some of it. And you're not guessing either because you can watch the person as they do exactly what it is that they were doing to accomplish a task. It's like right now there's everything from copper plating and silver plating to gold scavenging, to copper scavenging, smelting, casting, foraging, and how to do it with all improvised junk. And when you look at it, it's like my favorite was the idea the guys came up with for a plating machine. They're using a coffee pot, using a Mr. Coffee Coffee machine. I saw that one. I've learned a lot from YouTube videos. Oh yeah. You can find Pyrex, like I've told everybody, I save every coffee car if I can get my hands on. You know why? It's laboratory glass, guys. Down the road if you want to cook munitions, if you're going to build, if you're going to make smokeless powder, it's kind of handy to have better quality technology than they had in 1880 when they invented it. Yeah. Boy, howdy. And think about this. I'll remind everybody again, everybody goes, oh, this would be so hard. Really? Smokeless powder was invented before we had electricity. Well, we have black powders then we have smokeless powder the original smokeless powders are all developed in pre-electronic age and in fact We went to smokeless powder cartridges before pretty much any city in the country was electrified Pretty much think about it. So it's not that it isn't accessible. In fact, it's below. It's pretty low-tech chemistry It's a matter of don't get in your butt and blow it you screw up on something because you don't know what you're doing because you cut a corner somewhere. I think the 3030 was the first wad's grid smokeless powder round in the North America anyway. Most popular but you remember flinchchester would make any 30 you know 30 by that you wanted. Remember that 30 is the length well actually the powder charge. They would do that in 17 caliber all the way up to 45. Every caliber, if you wanted a 31 caliber Winchester, you could have a 31. You wanted a 29 caliber Winchester, they'd build it for you. I've got, actually I was with a print shop that did the Winchester book, which is probably the best single book with a compilation of all the Winchesters on the planet. The custom shop in 17, forgive me, 1880, it's fascinating. Like they said, they'd build any caliber you want in a Winchester case. and they literally just listed, you know, like from 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, and they had an example in the manual, you know, in the catalog, in the brochure. And, you know, here, you can get any one of these. What do you want? What do you think is going to work for you? We'll build it for you. That's what we do. But they did 30-30, 30-30 caliber because, well, let's see, government standardized on 30 caliber eventually, so 30-30 and all these others had readily available projectiles, either paint or pencil around those bullets at first and later on a spire tip. That's why 30's been so dominant because of government adoption and standardization. Pretty cool. Go ahead. I want to say that 30-40 Craig was very popular for a long time. And... ...bodorized and straight military. Yup, exactly. 30 caliber pencil bullet, which means that round bullet could also work well in the Winchester, which is why, again, a lot of guys scavenged the bullets and slid them sideways into other weapons. So that's, again, one of those solution things. Well, I'll tell you what, we have another CNC question. We'll go ahead. Well, I mean, so you have a laptop and you have a CNC, and you want to make an AK upper. I mean, so... because it's really not an upper, it's just an AK receiver with a trunnion. Yeah. You want to make a full AK and you've got a laptop and it's an $8,000 CNC. Well, I mean, what you do, you pull up the schematic on the laptop and punch it into the CNC and it just does it by itself? Well, there's two ways that this can be done. Number one, you can also read, or it's kind of like a rotoscope where you actually read an existing part. And then you cross-reference it with the schematic. But if you had nothing but the working part... Then you know, preferably a virgin. Remember, it's kind of like Stalin when he ordered the B-29s copied. Remember, even copied certain things they weren't supposed to copy. Like down to the bullet patches. Yeah. In other words, it has pre-bullet patched where the aircraft had been hit by gunfire and they patched it and the scientists were so scared to death, the engineers were being executed by Stalin, that they did. They duplicated even the bullet hole patches that were add-ons. So it was just... like because they said they could make a better Stalin made said make it just like yeah and if he and if you didn't Stalin would kill you this secured you outright the crazy loon being what he was now along the lines of a CNC and making a copy from a virgin piece most of the guys that run it know that when you do that you're probably gonna have to make and you referred to it mark some small corrections at the very least going back to factory dimensions and making sure that it is working factory dimensions and holding that in your program. But again, a lot of times you'll have to go back and take this wave out or make certain that this, these, when you measure sometimes it won't grasp the whole of it. It'll get really, really close and you're going to have to make those dinky little corrections. Yeah, that's where a guy that's got 20 years experience comes in. Oh no, that's not that bad. It's not like, well, you have to, you know, weld two Volkswagens together. It's not like that at all. It's just a matter of of, you know, many times it's just checking and making sure that what's in the program up as far as the dimensions it's going to cut are, you know, within tolerances of that 1911 or if you're building a metal Glock or whatever and CNC a plastic could print it up and then CNC the gene parts in it or the parts that are right and build your own Glock if you want it. You'd still need you know metal parts here. Yeah, it's not that complex to tweak. a final product. Right. I've seen it. Right. But again, my point is many times it just won't, you know, move from first grade to second grade. It needs a little bit of power. Just sit down with the guy and see it done. It'd be awesome to sit down with someone and just watch it happen. Oh, they cut most anything you can imagine. They could, some CNCs will cut everything that looks just like a Rolex when you look right in it, but it'll be one piece. But you look right at it and it looks just like a Rolex, you know, right down to that dinky tiny little gear there. But man, it doesn't, that's how intricate it can be. Man, you're standing there changing heads or the machine is loaded up with 12 heads, you know. Yeah, I... Right, it changes itself then. That motorcycle program that Mark talks about, I forgot to name it now, but when the father and son had their own bike, their own custom bike, they weren't sharing. I would watch them use their machine, their CNC and stuff, but they didn't really get too into it. They didn't really come up too close to see exactly what they were doing, but I got pretty much the gist of it just by watching that show. Your reference, the bike that was built on, based on 45s for spokes of the wheels? Yeah, and H45, you know at a glance looked just like a 45. How did you get those? How did you make a wheel? How did you make a wheel out of those pistols instead of how did you, you know, cut a piece of block to look like pistols? But if you can get that close, it's just a matter of, you know, building the parts, the components individually, and then, you know, the springs go here, this goes there, and push that button and turn that thing, and man, it's all put together. Now let's see if it functions. give the bernard curious about whether or not there's sort of software out there that can convert the uh... files that are readily available on the internet for three printers to the cnc well the the bigger your cnc technology is superior to the three b printer process that's kind of a stacking it's kinda like uh... uh... a caterpillar spitting That's the best way to think about 3D printers. They're taking material and stacking. You're talking about taking material away from something else. The big thing I would point out again, let's not forget something we really need to insert in here. It has already been demonstrated that Polymer AR-15 receivers can be built quite well, and quite functionally. You know, they're fully functional, ready to roll, they work. We know this. We've already proven it. Let me see. Could we melt down... I don't know if you could melt down milk bottles. but there are probably particular, an abundance of children's toys or the old fashioned phones. If you could come up with a formula to change that polymer to a liquid, inject it into your mold and then let it harden. Boy, you know how strong an old fashioned phone is. People have been beating the death with them. Exactly. Yeah, different polymers, which of course then would be a priority for harvesting. Yes. Would be the base component for casting even to a per, you know, in other words, doing a sand or coarse cast, that would be, we look at about an 80% as what you're buying right now without papers that is, you know, headed towards ready to roll and ready to use. If you were to do that like the lost wax, you could just build most of your parts in two or three piece molds and some of your most basic parts, two piece molds. And one of the advantages of Polymer, remember, it is much easier on the tooling. Remember that what you're looking at, tooling is the key, it's like fuel for trucks. Tooling is the key to operations. The better the quality of the tool, the longer it's going to last. What it is cutting, or again, re-engage, reconfigure, how coarse that is determines the lifespan of the tool, obviously. So, what we're looking at is, again, taking the same basic concept as if we were working aluminum or steel, and we apply it to the plastics. And the other option is brass. I wouldn't point out, it's kind of funny, but if you can make a Polymer AR-15 lower and upper, then you can make a brass lower and upper. It'd be like a Confederate AR-15, you know what I mean? Yeah, I've been kind of... Looking videos on YouTube about casting melting casting brass Looks like the most complex thing will be Creating the mold right and again you only you what you do here's the way to make the mold You know what you do you go down and up Creek or you go through all of the internet and find the companies that are selling the raw Forged fixture for the ar-15 upper and the ar-15 lower and you're done both those to 80% because the less holes that are the easier it's going to be to make a mold, the easier it's going to be to make a buck. Exactly. What that just did is that the first strike, the forgings that they make are the crude end. I mean, everything is basically, you can see the form is there. Yup. And there's going to be a lot of material that's going to have to be sculpted out. But here's a little hint, kind of like what we've been talking about. You don't have to use an arc cutting tool or a, for instance, do arc cuts with an AR. It can be slab flat. You can leave material on. There's nothing that says you have to sculpt everything off it. There's a couple of new, what they're calling bare bones, what's the new one they're calling a retro is also. A couple companies are making them. Instead of all of the intricate ejection port covers and everything and all little kits and everything, guys are making it with a straight, flat, slash, open-face ejection port. All of the surfaces are flat, which is basically again flat cut. Okay, just think about rather than lathes or any kind of turning tool, you're looking at a cutter. And all they're doing is cutting straight angles on everything and giving it a mild brush round, probably with an ultra coarse wheel. And all that does is take the sharp edge off everything. Now, if you did that in brass, that would be the way to do it. Because then the only thing you're focusing your time on are the holes that have to be drilled for the fixtures and any threading that needs to be done, you know, tap and die work that needs to be done for anything else. And mostly it's going to be tapped, certainly not die because it's all, you know, goes into that, goes out to. Yeah, and it would be thicker and stronger because all that sculpting hasn't been done. Yeah, you're not, and what they're doing with these new ones are not expensive. In fact, they've brought the process to about mid-range. They are billet produced with most of them, but one company is doing a forging, but it's not the standard forging that's being used. So in other words, there's now most everything that's done in the AR-15 upper and lower comes from basically three companies in the US if it's forged. All they do is go kachunka, kachunka, kachunka, kachunka all day, and then everybody buys so many of those flats, or I should say, forgive me, those, those, those, uh, they call them plugs. the plugs are bought and then they take them to the shop and then the CNC machine takes over and goes to town and you end up with a finished upper or a finished lower. So you could do the same thing only minimize and with brass I think they'd look neater in hell. It would be a little heavier. Who cares? We know what we need to do. It's like I said, I don't know who was doing them. I know that people are fiddle farting with titanium again because there's a bunch of titanium parts that just came out. Why somebody isn't doing a titanium upper and lower? I don't know except cause yeah money, but you know what with all the money people Yeah, people are willing to spend it. So I don't know. I mean especially right now. Oh, there's people out there They'll spend thirty five hundred dollars on a on a Damascus steel, you know, 11 boil boy pile up like cord would Boy, howdy. And that's where people complain, because they, Mark, you talk about these cheap guns, and it's like, I'm not complaining about any of you that are building your favorite toys or your favorite machine. It's like complaining about a guy that shows up with, you know, a fully outfitted M24, you know, chafee tank, and it's completely kitted out, but he even went to the trouble of putting the proper paint job on it, so it looks like it's from 1944. Okay, that's cool. I don't care does it shoot yes. Does it drive over things? Yes. Will it kill people? Yes? Hey, that's what we want Congratulations, you're in the game and we're all playing together however for me in my experience is I have found that if we focus on the precision where precision is needed in other words Do you hear me talking about cutting back on the barrel quality? Are we talking about piss-willing away and forgetting to properly build the firing pins and extractors and injectors? No. But those are the critical components you do spend the money and time on. And if you had better materials, that's where the priority is. Like the Russians did it. Yes, that's where I was going. When we talk about a machine shop in a truck, some of the things you're going to need, well, you just won't be able to just whip up barrels. unless you want to buy different buttons and this and that, and that's where you want to go. But the quick way to get there is to buy stock, like four and six and eight foot barrels, and now you've got that 30 caliber for a pistol or that 30 caliber for a rifle, or that 30 caliber for a sub gun, or you could go in like seven foot sections, barrels there, and then you've even got enough to put this chamber in. Oops. Gee, I gotta cut it with a different reamer, then I can go to this chamber, you cut that piece right off. So it'd be easy to bore 40 yards, hey, I'm probably not gonna miss. And if need be, man, that barrel shot out, and it's just, it's shot out to the point that it's dangerous. And if you come up with a smooth board, just to, so that handgun comes back into service, well, it's still pretty accurate out to about 30, maybe 40 yards, it's gonna be, you know, torso shot. And when it slaps him sideways, he's going to know he was hit with something. You say stock, you mean free-drilled barrels? Oh yeah, you can get bare stock. If you go to Douglas Barrel, you used to be able to get a 30 caliber barrel, and this is rifled though. Rifled, 30 caliber, a four foot barrel would run you $80. That was a bull barrel, you could mill it down to whatever dimension you want, chamber it to whatever you wanted in 30 caliber. Shotgun barrels you could buy a six-foot shotgun barrel. I see Five feet would cost you about 45 to 50 dollars. I have all the time guys I mean seriously I've got not several feet of barrels in places not here, but someplace else Same with us with submachine guns remember that and again do not do not do not even think about building and stuff right now You don't need to you have better weapons, but When the time comes, having all the components, the raw stock, example, to build a Sten gun, the standard tube is standard 4140 and 4130 chromoly stock. You can buy it in 20 foot lengths. Do you know how many 20 foot lengths we've bought over the years? Wow. Okay, think about it, since they only cost, it used to be they would cost us $23 for a 20-foot length of 41.40 chromoly from the manufacturer of downtown Detroit. Actually, where they got, right next to, oh, come on, the bearing plant, bearing company. It used to be a Detroit bearing. You just got out of Detroit bearing, you buy a 20-foot section, we'd have them cut it in half because 20 feet going down the road is kind of embarrassing. But if you bought us a 20-foot section, you saved a whole lot of money and they loved you. Then all you did is went out in the grout to the truck and you know, brrrp brrrp, with a quick battery powered cut off saw and you put them in the bed of the truck, all 10, 20, 30, 20 foot lengths, now 10 foot lengths. Well you're not worried about smooth bores. Yeah, well in this case that's the body for a Sten gun. That's the body for the gun and then the barrels, yeah, Sten stands at their height of desperation when the British thought they were going to be overrun. They built the Sten smoothbore. because it's a submachine gun it was gonna spray a little bit anyway right so hey you know you gotta figure your point blank with the Germans trying to you know walk you know run up the beach yeah yeah house to house and we can do better yeah we can do better than that I mean we can I mean right now right off the bat we're not pressed like they are right at this point in time you know we can put inventory on the shelf and the other thing is remember Brent a stun gun bolts were made from brass low-grade steel and high-grade steel and you know what all of them work and most all of them are still in service the only thing is the guns have been cut up which is why you see the kids it's not that they don't work it's that other guns you know if you're seeing a stand-up right now you know that on the rent revolution market if you were to go and say hey you got these ten guns you probably get them for about three dollars apiece market value That's what the cost on the rental revolution market be for a gun. You used to be able to go to Canada and buy them for $11 apiece, over the counter, no paperwork. Because there weren't any machine gun laws in Canada. None. Yeah, oh Canada, look at all that communist state taken over by the Jewish mafia. Look how they've gone in the toilet. What a hole. But it used to be that the STEM guns were literally when you go into gun shops like in Toronto, which was mostly those were Jewish mafia gun shops too by the way. Or if you go to Windsor, although Windsor was a little tacky because it's close to Detroit, but they used to stack up stand guns. What they'd do is they would disassemble them like you would if you were a paratrooper, and they would have them banded together with packing bands. And you'd get one magazine and you'd get the gun, and they'd be piled up like cordwood, and you'd have to pick the one you wanted out of the pile of cordwood. Like it was a quart of logs cut guys just stacked up on the floor as high as the ceiling How many do you want and they were $11 apiece? How many you want? Wow, and that was in the 70s skies They didn't have a gun control act until the middle late 70s in Canada. Otherwise, they were still a free nation They were more of a free nation in the early 70s in America ever your conference recording has stopped Oh, well, you well ran our conference recording. It's probably started up right away Anyway, the stun gun was all not non-strategic material. So remember this, pistol grip. Would I, pistol grip nowadays for it? Well, yeah, I'm 16. Pistol grips are, you know, could be made out of anything. Could I hammer a piece of metal and make a pistol grip? Yeah, I could take fence posts out here. The round fence posts go out to the baseball diamond. I consider baseball diamonds useless. I could take every pipe that's out there and modify that for all kinds of parts, guys. Even for parts for the 50 because if you want the shoulder stock like for a Mardi Grifen or you want the protector for the hand guard for the front of the trigger group, look at the design and then think about non-essential materials and it doesn't have to be high-end metal either. And now... And they should wonder how they go, how they barrel those sharp 50s in the 1700s. And I mean, good lord. Zero electricity, so... By hand. By hand, yeah, but those were also... But you see, American ingenuity, the rifle barrel tooling was... We know there's two different methods, but the pull-through method is ours. The pull-through mandrel method, it's the most efficient. We could do it right now. Actually, it's 1790s technology. In fact, I'll go back further than that. No. pull-through technology is probably what, 1760s? Because the very, very first of the rifled weapons were showing up about that time in our hands and the Pennsylvania and Kentucky rifles were in service by the beginning of the war. So we already had that pull-through rifling technology and it was crude and rude really. I mean anybody today with the machinery we have Probably the first thing our machines could be prioritized to do is make the tooling like we've said, first rule, make your tooling. And rifling the barrels with the older deep groove process wouldn't be difficult. But here's the thing, Remington already proved that micro grooving works and micro grooving takes even less to do than deep bore, you know, tough. A lot less hard on the tooling. Yeah. And remember that it only has two bands, two micro-groove V-bands, which is how they cut the metal, and that micro-groove is why they call the O3A3 the whispering death. Hey, is the Mardi Grasen book done? Is the Mardi Grasen book done yet? Yes, as a matter of fact, the only problem I've had is getting over there to get it back from the kids now, because we're finished. It's going to be available here, well, would have been available last week. The iron's in the fire, and plus we haven't talked about it, we've got like, you know, family things going on with people, you know, ill, but... Probably I would say maybe as soon as Wednesday. We'll let everybody know. So it's gonna be making sure it's gonna be a pile up here the green horse a whole bunch more the green horse went out we were a little sweet got a bunch of them out and then I didn't get back over to the printer the printer has another pile ready for us and I just sent another 40 some out so the green horse is in the mail some of our people are expecting multiple copies I added something to that. Well for our friends that are right just we just went to the shipping points we just born one. and we just sold a bunch of packages so everybody watched the mail. That's all I can say. Mahdi, a book, everything looks good. I was just precautionary because I don't want to hear any complaints. We also added a little addendum sheet which kind of gives some recommended tips, stuff that we learned in building the Mahdi's. Excellent. Ideas. I mean, it's just different things can be done because it's not complicated to do. I don't want to, you know, we don't have to over dress the gun. The Mahdi Griffin is the Sten gun of 50 caliber rifles. It really is. There's no reason if we were to start cranking that out, and that's what I think they're terrified of. We already know how many were already made back in the 90s, guys. I mean, the man himself admitted how many did he sell off the intel report. Oh, he sold more through the intel report than he did through shotguns. Yeah? Yeah, go ahead. To develop this cottage technology and industry from what we have available to us. I'm just glad that when I was in school I was still teaching shop. And I've had experience also sheet metal casting and I can do other various machine work also. But what I find impressive is I checked on YouTube a while back. The gunsmiths of Peshwar or the gunsmiths of Pakistan. The factories where they make their firearms. of people working on their butt and a few people running machines and that's called motivation and determination and everybody has a small part to play of a weapon. On occasion we've pointed out the Afghani boy in right around 1980 the National Geographic in 1981 of that 12 series. He's holding a piece of metal and the photographer asked him what he's doing. He's hand building a 50 caliber. The photographer asked him how long. It takes them about a month to hand for a 50 caliber barrel. I saw a program about Philippine gun makers, family in the jungle using junk metal, building 9mm and 1911 pistols. And the test is going out in the woods and shooting a full magazine. They looked as good as anything I've bought, I swear. In fact, they've got counterfeiters. They actually have one person that does, or people, there's a group that do counterfeit labeling, etching, and they make Smith and Wesson Model 10s that look better than most of the Smith and Wesson Model 10s I've owned. I have a few. Better finish, prettier finish. Glass, bluing, custom etch for all the engraving. gold inlay. I mean, they look like they're right out of the jungle. I guess they're huge silver dollars that are made from aluminum, from aluminum plug. They look just like walking over Morgan. This service is provided by... Access Code Accepted. There are 11 participants in this conference. Please announce yourselves. Again, they finally shifted over to... This conference is being recorded. No, we're... But what they did is they shifted over to prioritizing for, you know, again, bearing surfaces and for finished surfaces only. Everything else, if it was infusion cast or if it was forged, leave it rough. And that's what we're leaving you with right now, guys. Crude, rude, but effective. There's a whole bunch of ideas out there, and maybe you have better ones. I'm not saying you don't. Just reverse. I'm hoping you do. Looks like an AK from a distance. Yeah, and you killed them just the same. What did you shoot me with my rifle? What do you think I shot you with? The one I'll build. That is building for you, son. In fact, I'm building to see you out for your diet. Goodbye, this location. That's right. That's how it works. Anyway, again, for everybody out there, organize, arm equipment, train as militia. Do your part, set up a 5-10 program for Arizona. You guys, that 11 man squad out there, I just sent a bunch of head gear and helmet gear. It's on the way. Body armor, some of that's coming from the West Coast. and your web gear is coming from the northeast. Cherry picking all over the place, bargain basement. Don, your number for night mission, please. That number is 2317968458. 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And that was their answer to, well, just because you only take a piss test once a month doesn't mean we can't bust you, kind of thing. If you come in here smelling like booze, you bust you. So I think that's kind of along the lines of what we're looking at here with mouth swamps. And I've heard stories of people doing that at job interviews now. where the person interviewing the job applicant will whip out a mouth swap thing and ask them to swap their mouth for them instead of taking a urine test. So, strange. They're getting into all this stuff where they can get you DNA. It says troops have used DNA from improvised bomb components to capture some very bad people in quotes according to an official with US Special Operations Command. Who? Who did they catch using DNA stuff? They're going to claim that guy there in Washington like Joe brought up. But have you heard of anybody else? The way they've used this DNA scanning stuff to pick him up? An Al-Qaeda guy or something like that? Nah, but they blow him up, but I haven't seen him capturing any of them. They supposedly blow him up at that. They'll blow him up again next month. SOCOM is evaluating the devices for wider fielding if successful. They have the potential to cut the time used to process DNA evidence from weeks to 90 minutes and replace fingerprint analysis downrange according to Michael Fitz, SOCOM's program manager for sensitive site exploitation. That sounds kind of funky there, huh? Excuse me, but we have to do some sensitive site exploitation here. Would ZOB swap you? Get away! It's a groundbreaking, game breaking technology. I think you meant to say game changing. Kit said that at the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference on Wednesday, in the past a guy would have to put a DNA sample in an envelope and send it back to the states and wait a few weeks to find out who he had. By then, he's had 12 other missions and forgotten who the guy was. That's got me scratching my head. Why would they be swabbing people's mouths over in Iraq or wherever the hell they're at, Afghanistan, and shipping it all the way back here to find out who he was? Do we know him? Mike, here's something of interest. I know somebody who runs a drug test company down here in Texas. I'm not going to say any names, but they take the samples here and then they ship it all the way to England. Oh, really? Yep. Wow. Hold on. Hold on.