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Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. Indist the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch him tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the afternoon ladies and gentlemen this is the first hour of the afternoon intelligence report I'm our kronky and I'm Don betcher one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories southwest, southwest and north. Ladies and gentlemen you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com and we are on AM&FM Microstations CB base stations and alternate hallmark and golden spike technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. And as a quick heads up, three cases of electronics to include the 678-7. Let's see, so it was model. I just looked at it. XM678 transformers are on the way. Guys, we have an emergency send that we had to take care of it. There's some hardware that went down. Not a problem. That's why we all help each other out. We got those out this morning. So you have three cases of repair and replacement. I figured, hey, we'll just pile all the same models up of equipment. Should be going to that place anyway. So heads up for our friends out west there. Hallmark can work from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc to the Gulf of Mexico, headed Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the third, the pit, and the fifth, along with the 13 sisters on the left side of state, Colorado, The Defense State, we did a lot of run around, negotiated everything and make sure everything was properly worded in Knob Creek type resolution. Boulder and Denver will be isolated. That is the mission. Now guys, you have to carry the ball the rest of the way. We all got everything going for you and all you hard chargers need to pick it up and keep running. The left coast, where we have the great state of Jefferson, we turn back to the sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi. And land in the Smokies with the restaurant crews, grandma teams, OK teams, and the Mob Hill Grammar Consortium, bring us the Golden Spike done. It's been a nice day today. What's it like in your neck of the woods? What is the date? What's jumping off the wall up there, sir? Well, it is the 18th day of March, year of our Lord in 2015. And it's breezy, a little bit chilly, but hey, it's the 18th day of March. We got up into the, I'm guessing the high 30s, maybe we touched 40 degrees today. Oh well. Again, for the third time, it's the 18th day of March. You know, you're not going to get a tan today. You probably could, but you'd be chilly doing it. It'd take a real long time. But that 18th is the strike down the middle of the weekend. With 1911 in one hand and magazine in the other. The magazine goes into the empty magazine. Well, we touched that slide release and we've got one in the chamber and we can say that that's a condition one gun now, but you know, it is weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure. And while I top off my magazine, I'll tell you that there's plenty more where that came. Equal opportunity coercive force is now in hand, most assuredly. and it is weapons wednesday for all of our friends out there again a reminder more ammo is better i don't care what you got you should be pretty purchasing more on a weekly basis you know that a lot of people have listened we've said all my goodness they listened to what we said uh... i want to say thank you for some of you guys do what you've done because looking at the inventory and what's been happening certain groups as well more than a few certain groups but certain groups certainly have carried the ball and then some so Guys keep up the good work. Keep doing what you're doing The other side has to beg or sign off for their equipment ours. It's all in hand. We're ready to fight We don't have to go sign off for it We have it right where we can you can leap to our fingers leap to our hands and become implements of liberty To beat down the tyrant and drive it from the nation. That's what we have to do Don, anything in particular you want to cover? Jump in there please. Well, we touched on boots this morning, didn't we? We talked about, you know, keeping yourself in the fight. I want to bring, you know, Mark, I have to say this in order to preface this whole thing. One of the things that made me happy in that timeframe from 2000 to 2007, you know, late in the spring there, was bringing some of your words, sometimes whole sentences. I rather enjoyed that, bringing your words to the hour when I could. I would say that it's Weapons Wednesday and for a long time in that like from 2001 until 2004, Skip Talbot ran with us and it made my Weapons Wednesday a lot easier. We talked a lot about 50 caliber and you know other things. But one of the things, I'll run a couple quotes from Skip. One of them was, a slow hit is better than a fast. Again, a slow hit is better than a fast. That's self-explanatory, but you know, Mark, you've said it in a different way. How does that go? 500 misses does not constitute a single hit. Isn't this a video game? I'll just keep pulling the trigger. Something's got to work sometime. Because I got a bottomless magazine, or if I go over here and touch that star, I got another bottomless magazine to get me to the next star. It doesn't work like that, does it? I just watched a movie that had one of them. uh... i'm not what was it a map machine gun uh... submachine gun and many kept on the trigger and bought ball bird a whole mag but he never changed it may burn another whole mag and he never change it now finally when he gets to the point where the good guys like only feet away he has to change bags on yet to max you have a mag of the gun and he had the other mag but he machine gun that a whole bunch of people about he burst a whole bunch of you know full mags at the you know, down below. And then he climbs, kind of like remember from Scarface, remember the original, you know, look at me, I'm on top of the world! Well, he does the same kind of thing. And all of a sudden he changes mags and he realizes as he pulls that mag out that he never pulled out before, the good guy just happens to be there. The one time the endless mag runs out conveniently is for plot complication. Now, you know, we've talked to you guys about shotguns. you know, auto loaders with side feed or pumps with a bottom or side feed, but that's about the closest thing you're going to get to a bottomless magazine. If you can gain cover for three seconds, how many rounds can you slide into that tube chamber, that tube magazine, rather, in three seconds? Every one of them that comes out of your pocket, if you've practiced it a little bit, you might have to put one back in. But the cautionary there is, putting that one back in your pocket is akin to dropping a magazine out of your rifle or out of your handgun in the middle of a fight and putting it back in a pocket before you put another magazine in. So sometimes you have the time, sometimes you don't. That's up to your own personal discretion and that's very instant, isn't it? Because you've thought about these things beforehand, haven't you? That's called planning. And it's a good thing to plan. We've talked about planning plenty of times, but you've tried to pick these things apart, haven't you? What would I do if? And there are those that just deride a shotgun no matter what gauge. It's just useless on the modern battlefield. Well, walk over there and we'll see how useless my 12 gauge is. Let's see. If I just hold the trigger on the Sifica and pump it a few times, let's see how useless it is, OK? At any rate. That's about the closest you're going to get to a bottomless magazine. Our buck, I can't remember his first name, he's done a number of videos. He gives real good demonstration of loading your shotgun and shooting and loading your shotgun and shooting and loading your shotgun and shooting and loading your shotgun and shooting. And he goes on and on and does it. Once it becomes practiced, and you know we've talked about practice and training but let's just talk about this. You've done this for five minutes at the range and you're instead of taking the gun away and you know pointing it in a safe direction. Well remember if it's pointed at the target it's still pointed in a safe direction isn't it? So you can try this at the range unless some goofy range master wants to... YOU SHOULDN'T BE! ...find a range where this is more friendly and more sensible range masters. But with that gun pointed at the target and bang bang See how fast it takes to reach in your cargo pocket or the hunting pocket of your vest, your hunting vest or wherever. Even just an old mouset bag and put two more in there. Practice that. Now the point is here on this practice that we've talked about 30 days worth of practice. If you think you've mastered this in seven minutes, you're lying to yourself. You're lying to yourself. If you think you've mastered this seven minutes, a day for 30 days, well you've got a good grasp of it. But you really haven't gained the ability to do it in the dark without looking when someone's shooting at you and you're wondering is this enough cover and man was that bark that just got blown into my leg or was that... You see where I'm going with that? If you're a shotgunner, you need to make this second nature much like your next breath, okay? While we're on this subject of the Bottomless Magazine, You know, it might be tactically sound to drop a magazine and you don't know how much is left in it, but you know you've got a full magazine when you want to move from one place to another. If you do that undercover, it would be good to put that magazine in the pouch, right? Hesitate to drop them. You know, some people get in the habit of counting, one, two, three, four. Or they can estimate if they've got, you know, that burst gun, they can estimate, I think I've got one more long burst left, you know. One, two, three, four, five. And it's faster than that, believe me. Don't hesitate to drop a mag or to replace. This is a better word. Don't hesitate to replace a mag that's not empty if you get the chance. This gives the other guy the impression of the bottomless magazine, only he knows there's no such thing, so he might think you're empty when you've just put a full magazine back in, right? Now, this works over more toward brigands than soldiers, because soldiers know that that soldier out there has probably got more than one magazine. The magazine in his gun, in fact, he lives like that man does. Okay? But don't hesitate to put two rounds in that tube magazine when you get that two seconds of interlude in the fight. don't hesitate if you think that magazine is almost empty when it comes to your rifle or your handgun don't hesitate to drop that mag if you think it's got three left in it man I'm gonna step out here into the open and I'm gonna blow them three down the tube and then I'm gonna change magazines or I'm gonna be running changing magazines is not conducive to long life or even short-term health benefits so that touches on you know a slow hit is than a fast miss and engages the endless magazine to carry on with that 500 misses does not constitute a hit. Would you like to elaborate on that Mark or we can just roll right into the next one. Well one of the things that we need to tie into this too is especially when it comes to proficiency with the shotgun shell for instance there's another thing that can be done if you have overreached you've pulled more than a few chiclets out of your pocket. The Hunter's cigar hold is another option rather than trying to move it back. It's something you may have to do if you miscalculate. I'm a single shot Ithaca shooter. That's what I learned to fire, you know, you learned to hunt bunnies with. Well, I don't have a magazine, but I have a couple extra fingers here with, you know, a couple 20 gauge rounds in between. And I can fire, open, and by the way, the Ithaca, I have this lever action, it's a lever breach, you know, they were going around for a little bit and then they stopped, I guess they're collectors items now. Real pretty blonde wood. Anyway, you work the action, drop the shell, load the next one in, drop the, you know, close the action, pull back the hammer and kaboom, and even as quick as that happens, again, lever action open, it's still a top break. And third round in. Now, the same can be done, and again, rather than, this is where you have to discipline or teach people that even if you have to work the action with that shell still somehow in the process of, you know, encumbering in some way, That's a better choice, or dropping it is a better choice than thinking about putting it back into the pocket. If you're reloading, something's going on. You've already used ammunition. You are in contact now. Ideally, though, you want to reserve the shell. One of the advantages of 12 gauge, as you pointed out, in a way, if you drop it or if you have to shuck it back, if that's number four buck, yeah, that's a whole shell. I mean, that's a whole magazine of AR-15 ammo, guys. 30 number four buckshot pellets. So you want to be thinking this through because every time you pull the trigger you're dumping with number four buck, which is what I really like. Or number four buck if you do a home load mixed with some BB in it. Oh yeah, that gives you a few more pellets here and there in between for the sauce and something's gonna hit somebody. But you're still looking at 30 number 22 caliber pellets going down range, about the same velocity as a standard M16, a little lower but not much. and you just saturate the engagement point. Something's going to give, something's going to get snagged. That's what you want. Especially when everybody's wearing body armor nowadays. Yeah, you want to prep them in the arms, in the legs, in the neck, in the head. Yeah, he was wearing body armor. Three or four or five of the pellets hit there too. But some of them weedled in between the two plates or weedled in between the one plate above and the grain armor below. still got to their target from the center. Now he's leaking. Yeah, and that's what I want. You want leakiness. You want all you want creaky leakiness everywhere. If you, in fact, sometimes that's a lot better than just killing them dead, dead right off the bat because they start to jam off the radios. Yeah. Now another thing there too, again, about repetition. You can do this dry fire. Oh yeah. In fact, there are a couple different ways to snap caps or just leave the primers that are dead in the shells. You can build some shells up, but you have to be cautious of this process. And again, you can work on your own or you should have somebody working as a team member with you just to coach you a little bit, keep an eye on things, and you help him, you or her, tit for tat, vice versa. The important thing here with shotgun is it does offer a tremendous amount of firepower. It is by no stretch of the imagination obsolete. And with everybody yapping about, for instance, urban warfare, you know, a whole legion of shotguns just wading through a room, it just doesn't make for a very good experience for whoever's on the receiving end. Just think about that if they may have m4s they may have mp5s and they have a combined arms group But if you've just got a bunch of guys with 10 gauge pump guns 12 gauge pump guns gas guns Side-by-side doesn't or over unders and everybody just cuts loose. That's just like a claymore mine going off Oh, yeah Somebody's gonna get hit and everybody on the other and probably will no matter what how hard they try not to It's a matter of motivation on your part, but the big thing is to be able to keep up the momentum Another trick with this is using the wave attack. We've talked about this before to a degree with rear guard operations, and it works both ways. You've got five men in each fire team, and you decide to go to shotgun for defense in depth or in an urban or apartment complex or whatever, or building areas. To take the initiative, you literally hose down. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, empty. But even as you say that, the second fire team is already virtually on your tail. You open up the center and the second group moves through you and continues the momentum and you are loading even as you call clear, as you call empty. This creates a constant wave of withering fire. again remember that that m sixteen has to fire seven hundred rounds per minute uh... to bring the cyclic reach where belongs for a lot of and doesn't have a seven round magazine your every time you pull the trigger thirty rounds just went down range rack rack thirty rounds went down range thirty rounds went down with thirty rounds that thirty route thirty-two thirty pillars thirty-two thirty empty if the five-rounder come to three four five if it's an eight-rounder one two three four five six seven eight now i'm reloading short open the There we go, and shh, shh, shh. One more just to be safe. Now, they just call clear and you keep the momentum going. And the idea is give your enemy no opportunity to rest. No opportunity to reorganize. No opportunity to think about anything other than either run or die. Which is your objective now you might write on there? Yeah, and again. It's purely a matter of you know bringing them into a kill zone This is one of the other things to remember you let your enemy have his way you fall back You know give him give him a distance give him some giving some you know some interest Don't lose lose people in the process, but make him feel that you're not too confident about holding anything And at a given point, that's when that cascading fire engages. You don't even have to hold or even continue for more than, say, two relays. But the level of effect that that has, and then to be able to fall back and disperse, break contact, and then reorganize for the next event, all ready to do it again, think about that. And doing it from a flank, or doing the, see, this is the other thing. Allow for one group to be the tag, or the leg, the benchmark, the center. And to have a couple of teams like that ready to run right down the flank of an aggressor like that. Do you know what kind of damage that would do? And there's just nothing to do about it. I mean, there really isn't. There's like, wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah times five men. And if they, let's hear, here's a funny one that really isn't funny. What if a couple of guys have sagas with drums? Oh yeah. Along with everybody else with pump guns or whatever kind or 1100s with extended tubes? I mean, either way, you figure it out. That's content support, yup. Yeah, that 20 round drum going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, This is a major thumper. And again, it's those obsolete shotgun shells. Well, of course, in all the video games, they still include shotguns. Hey, you know, with your pump gun, you can cycle that practice shoot, load, shoot, load without ever pulling the trigger. You don't have to beat up your firing pin. Just hit that slide release. Yeah, exactly. Just if you want to, just say bang, hit the slide release. Do it again, put two in. Do it again next time. Do it for three. And then put three in. And again, that cigar type hold, you guys, if you become familiar with that, I did that for a long time, Mark. My first shotgun was a real beautiful Spanish double barrel, verb breeches and such. But it wasn't too long. I figured out why that ended up in a, oh, a pawn shop. Because you pull the trigger on that gun, one trigger and sometimes both. And that's exciting the first time that happens to you. Punishing to the bird that catches the hat. It really really is it's just like a ball of feathers falling from the sky, you know So I would load that one the chamber for the front drink forces you to take aim That forces you not to I used to hunt with a guy with a Browning automatic, you know semi auto 12 and another guy with a pump gun and you guys the bird had jump up and They'd be shooting at it and literally they'd say and then Don would shoot in a bird that comes from only having one shot. That comes from the pressing yourself. You gotta hit or have to. We talked about this. Either you eat or that bird flies away. That comes from pressing yourself. How do you get better? From wanting to, from having to, and recognizing the situation, I have to get better here. That's how you do. We're just about at the bottom. Are we going to run some music or are we just going to roll right through? I'm curious. I'll tell you what, we are close to what we're at the bottom. Ed might be able to play our traditional weapons one day combo. Or my little armolite. Either one. It'd be fine. It'd be a little tip to yesterday. And scrabbling around going, what? Oh, if he can. Again, we'll have to talk and keep going. So Don, here's how we're going to do that until we hear the music because Ed's working on it. How can we get ahold of you? Night vision technology. You have it. Stuff on the horizon is getting ready to become pretty exciting here if we have our way. Plus we're going to be doing some testing of the digital night vision. That's where we're deciding to call it, guys. The digital night vision technology option. And we'll see what we can do there. But Don, go ahead. Jump in there, please. Hey, if you're looking, every pun intended there, it's a visual medium. My phone number is 231-7964. 5.8 we can talk about goggles or gun sights or green screens or thermal Well, I've got a second generation binoculars. It's two tube system. It's up there in the price, but it's a tremendous It's a two tube binocular you guys five power second gen. It's up there in the price. I'll have a I'll have a price for you I have a device that can be used as a handheld viewer or mounted in behind your Trigecod or in front of your daylight scope your device to a a couple of other pieces that do that. As example, the PVS-14, the PVS-10, are a couple hundred dollars cheaper than both of those aforementioned devices because they're military bodies and they get a premium because they've had contracts with the United States government there. But if you want to talk about different things, you guys, my number is 231-796458. And I'm told a lot of you guys North, even just as little north from me, had a good show of the Northern Lights last night, Big Greens and Reds. I didn't see it this far down and I made a point to take a look a number of times through the night. But that Borealis, that's pretty impressive there for a light show. Nature's light show and all and I missed it last night. I'm seeing some really neat pictures and it's just a... I'll have to the next time that runs, I'll have to get out a piece of night vision and see how that affects light as far as on the ground. So it just, I mix those two thoughts together there. Let's see what, you know, if that actually, those greens and reds, I know the red light will probably help light up the ground for night vision, but I just thought I'd mention that you guys. If we're going to spin some music, I'll quit. My phone number is 231-796-8458. And if not, we can keep going. It's just, you know, hey. Dead arrow, not good. Callers, you're in there, please. Hey. You guys on Liberty Tree Radio, 20 years ago, a dealer one time, the wood, it was running away. The mission. A dealer can't, a dealer can't come in. A biped's gonna have a lot more trouble. With the two legs it does have missing. That's the whole point. So a black uniform moose isn't going to make it. That's the point. Well, this is out there in its environment and it always wants to get away. That's why it started to run as soon as I was actually having it and pushing there. What pumpkin you're going to hit the Kamado 37? If you can get one. I'll tell you what, that is a poor man submachine gun also. Remember that. The 37s are a fanner. What you do is fire the first round, hold back the trigger, and just keep working the action hard. Yes, five rounds, four seconds. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Three rounds and... Depends on the gun. It depends on the gun. Typically, it may have a spacer, but typically the Ithicals will carry four and one in the tube. When the time comes, you take the spacer out of the end. You've probably got a game spacer in the ones you're looking at because that's typical. Even when you get that was typical. Yeah, so. It's not a problem. It's usually a plastic insert. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. You just hold the trigger back. When you pull the trigger, and you hold the trigger back, just keep it back and work the action. Pump the action. When you push it forward, slide it hard. It'll fire automatically because it's a slam fire gun. The firing pin will be in forward station and it will fire. Well, is that with trigger again? No, no, you are pulling the trigger. You just hold the trigger back and just work the action forward. You don't have that time frame in your mind of it's to battery, the pump slide is all the way forward, now pull the trigger. As soon as it goes to battery, it goes back to the pump. Well, the epic trigger, you just hold the trigger back and never even worry about relief pulling the trigger a second time. It's a sear system, or it's the sear. The way the sear disconnects, it allows the firing pin to ride forward. And what happens is after you pull the trigger the first time, and you work the action. When you pull it back, it ejects. When you push it forward, you never release the trigger. If you want to put four or five rounds, depending on how big your tube is, some of the cop guns have eight. Okay, some of the cop trench guns. A bunch of those came out in the 80s where the police department had bought trench gun model 37s. What you do is when you pull the trigger, don't release it. Just hold the trigger down, work the action forward again, but just work it aggressively and you better lean into it and stay under your target because if you're going to go down, yeah it's going to go off. If you have a hallway or something you're trying to defend, you can saturate fire. You know the old story, if you're trying to defend a position, they'll sort of god you had a gas operated gun even though it's a pump gun. and uh... you know if you did that he's that kind of well on the weapons that are there right now that are select fire military their shotguns are out there are drum fed so literally you could dump twenty rounds are along the takes depending on the cyclic rate pull the trigger and away she goes it's a little bit of a waste for most what we do Again, the old story accuracy combined with firepower in this case, you're Ithaca semi-auto. You lean into it, you keep that shoulder contact the way it's supposed to be. Every round will be within the designated area. Semi-auto but rapid semi-auto fire is really all you need. It's a suppression fire if you use it that way. Right, and even there the gas guns, what the Germans used to do is take two semi, well actually the RIMP 44s, their rear guard with the company would be just two men. And they would use select fire and they would just suppress. Their objective was to lay ground fire so that the rest of the unit could extract itself from the situation. The shotgun would work the same way in close quarters environments. especially if you went to gas guns, semitoguns, or if you went to Sega's, which are, you know, magazines slash can be drum-fed, and offer a lot of fire power. Since we've been saying it, for either the advance or the retreat, the shotguns are a good option to keep in reserve because it's not just that you get the fire power, the same number of pellets going down range, but it's all simultaneous. It's simultaneous. Every time you pull the trigger, 30 rounds, 30 pellets going down range. Blanket, though. Exactly. There's no place to dodge. You can't dodge it. You may step into some more pellets or step away from a few of them, but the problem is you're going to get hit by something. Like we said, hits count. And that's really what that's all about. And you get hit by one pellet. Well, that's why I used to always hunt. And so I hunted with and for with that. But you now for years in a beady size? No, it's 22 caliber. Basically the same weight as an AR-15 round, about 50 grains and sometime a little more, sometime a little less in terms of weight. Some companies do ovals, so they're kind of 22. I've seen some pretty weird stuff in some of the silly billet stuff that's been made, you know, cellar below. There's some interesting pellets I've seen come out of the live loads and I'm thinking, man, they must have been in a hurry to crank this out because what they do is that's water drop shot. and if they're cranking it they can dump it faster but what happens is you get elongated pellets sometimes you see because of that what there's a screening system actually sort the problem with drop the lead in water and you say they just drop comes out in water. That's how you do shot you actually have shot screens that are different sizes and how they short sort the shot when they actually produce it up to 12. Well double up buck is cast in some cases I've got several molds that are Oh, I think what, it's 22 cavities for, you know, number four buck. And so you do 24 pellets every time you fill the mold. Many years ago, and conventional sunny shot, yeah. And he was using three, this was just because he said, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you haven't had a chance, and for everybody listening, the Sling Shot Channel, Don, you've been on the computer more, have you been to the Sling Shot Channel yet? No, I haven't. Oh, you're going to like this guy. He's a German guy, and he does slingshots. He has arms as big as my legs, okay? He is a pretty fun guy to listen to, because he's pretty cool. Yeah, you know, he's a good German guy. He likes to beer. I'll tell you what, he built the slingshots and what he did just with his conventional, you wouldn't want to get shot with him. What he did is he took a . . . what was it? A . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . He fires and goes straight through and goes, oh that's not what I wanted. So he goes and gets about a 60 caliber ball bearing and he shoots the target again and stops like three quarters of the way through the chest. It's like, yeah that's what I wanted. If you think about that, would you want that 50 caliber ball stopping somewhere around the back of your spine just waddling around inside your torso? One little cuddy, you know, if you can hit with a BB in the right place, these guys, 50 caliber of food, they used to shoot branches. He had it, I made the stock, and he put out, let me tell you, I mean, he hit the good sights. The BB gun. Something out, you know, remember Fred Bear when he used to go out hunting a bar with a bow and arrow? Donnie, remember that? Guys, he did go out hunting, but there would be a guy that was his backup man. Just so everybody could come home. Yeah, what was his backup man carrying? A 12-gauge pump shotgun with slugs. That's what he carried. If you look, you'll see an 870, a five-shot 870, as the backup gun when they were going after Grizzly or going after Big Brown Bear. Seriously. So while the bow and arrow would do it, and yes, he was a master of the bow, and there's a lot of other men that have done that too. It's the idea that just in case, like you said, it'd be nice to go home tonight and have the evening meal. And the shotgun was there to take the face off of that bearer if need be. In other words, one way or another, we were going to stop him. That doesn't mean the guy with the bow and arrow is going to run. He's going to keep shooting, but you contribute to the battlefield, you know, if that's the situation. That's what the idea was. Go ahead. Like many years ago, I got a picture and, uh, took 30 years. He was the highest you can get. And then you can't... massive they're afraid train on the front and foot tall water usually babies cry the other attitude people out there but they're on our side the other side they got the weiners we know we got the thinkers yeah I'm not criticizing our people I'm saying you know you know like you've been talking about last few days mark about you know how all the fighting men machine did do what's right I think every time they get close to the fire, the bad guys realize that none of us are backing away from the fire. The Connecticut thing is the best example. They were on a raving roll. Everybody wants to try and play it down now because it's gone into neutral. But they were a raving bunch of loons and they were all chuckling and high-fiving each other how they were going to come out and get the guns. Well, it's two years later. What happened? Cause they were all put, we're not gonna read it, we're just gonna pass it. Then you're gonna have to get your guns and it was like, really? Um, no. You know there is a car that actually carried this out as a young boy. He drove in front of you? Yup. It's not really righteous with the intimidation. I think you can't blame, when it comes to kill signs, there's no blood that's in your body. Well, they're at the point where they've drawn too many other lines thinking that they were going to box us in and all of a sudden it is reversed. It's actually boxed them into a situation where it's either move forward or fall back, but falling back is just not in their vocabulary. So now they're in neutral because they don't know what to do. Now that means that eventually they're going to go stupid. It's kind of like what Josie Wales said about the three guys in front of him with the guns. That one guy, he had crazy eyes. Now, crazy I go on this moon and all. Like uniform on the other side, what's gonna start it? Or what else could, you know, steal it? We're at the top. Cole, we're gonna check you out to the side for the bump. You still listening? Down your number for night vision, please. That number's 231. 8-4-5-8-2-3-1-7-9-6-8-4-5-8 Very good, Don, you have to go? I gotta go. Did you get emailed today? No, it didn't come today. Okay, very good. Keep an eye on it. Anyway, God bless the Republic. Just a new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. 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