All of our brothers, at network in the morning. We're on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com. We're on Amen at the Microstations, C-Bay Stations, Ultranet, Hallmark, and Bike Technologies in the west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Beautiful, cool, and shiny. What's it like in your neck? What's today today? What is jumping off flies? Hey, it's a sunny day. There's hard cloud in that steel. There's hard to be a cloud in it. Hey, it's Alicia. Now we've got one in the chamber. Man, that's an A1 gun. That's a hot gun. and mine all along. But it is weapons. One data perimeter is secure and there is more where that came from. Again, that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive, fool. Everybody understand that hand cannon in submission? The old saying goes, alrighty then. Seems that little tubes within your personal defense circle, the idea is to offer them a 220 or a 230 grain ball round and see if that keeps them on the edge of the periphery there. Again one shot just to see if that well, that's just fine. Maybe I'll do that again And of course we got seven brothers to follow up. We still got plenty of rounds in the magazine. I've been around for a long time It's an old functional very functional weapon system Well, when you look at some of the other handguns mark you can look at the 1911 and say it's a brick comes at you as well slow But slow and meaningful. Oh, yeah Coming your way. Yeah going down range is a better No, wait, I want to talk. I'm sure you do, hopefully. And as it is, again, we have callers. Real quick, I want to point something out before they call or come up. We're talking about old weapon systems. Now, this is in the scroll at henry's from latrenchesworldreport.com. The announcement was just made that a European company is going to be building, once again, for the US military, the M-72 law. You might recall, if you're in the military, the laws rocked. It went out of vogue. not that it was, we fired up all the spares. Now I was thinking about this last night. You know, we had range time guys, when they knew that we were gonna be using up the laws rocket, to be maybe you fired one regular laws rocket during the year, and one guy got to shoot the, their live rocket, and everybody else got to, okay. And all of a sudden it was like, everybody gets to shoot one, come on now, you can all shoot one. Why? Because you used the inventory up and you weren't gonna see them. Okay, so they got, let everybody actually, real anti-tank weapon and everybody did one. If you were certain, you got more of them than on the later phase training. The reason is because the Viper was coming into play. Remember the Viper? Well interestingly enough, just light any tank weapon, but they're calling it the light assault weapon, which I think is rather funny. It's like, oh give it a new name, like the M4, you know the M16, give it a new name. Maws rockets, tank weapon. Give an example, let's say heavy. The medium would be, for instance, the, we've had a number of different, the medium weight, cattle out there in force. The heck tank is just rattling off us. There's a dozen different, you know, comers and goers that have been in the medium range. In the heavy, the tow, the hellfire, which by the way, the hellfire is mounted as far as aircraft, but it was intended originally to replace or suck. It never really moved in that direction, which is rather funny because in its original portfolio, that was its mission. Little heads up on that one too. Anyway, we got a caller. It was not let up way longer. Caller, who do we have jumping there? Bill from Texas. What do you got for us, sir? Well, I get the magazine, The Home Shop Machinist, and one that came in like a month or so. And the letter to the editor lists this website, so I looked it up. If you have like a mill or a lathe and you want to get digital readout on it, and units are very expensive. I mean, even a cheap one is hundreds and hundreds of dollars. And I'm going to have to spend, I'm not sure how to pronounce the guy's name, but it's Y-U-R-S-T dot com. You are IYOYS.com It's a free program you can download or that will take the output of your little readout unit and put it onto a tablet. I'm still trying to find out if it will go to a piece. But like hardware except for the tablet or Android they call it, is like 50-60 bucks. It will do multi-channel XYZ and they even have one that will do RPMs. And you have to go electronics and you download the program for free and you program the little board you've ever seen for doing digital readout for your Miller Lake. Again, go ahead and slowly give that page out for everybody again. Q-R-I-S-T-O-Y-S.I-Y-T-O-Y-S. I'm trying to find out if it'll work on a regular PC or a little Android handheld thing. And I've done some searching on eBay and you can find used units for 100 bucks. But like I said, I'm still researching it if it will work on a piece. It runs over Bluetooth. It's wireless to your thing to display the Z axis. Now, specify a particular model. Is this generic? Will this model work? Well, this is just the main thing with this particular page that reads the data from the scale that you have to mount. And it will work with different brands. They do list some of them. But most of them are not. standard they put out like 21-bit data and have a clock and doesn't say it works with all of them but they'll work with many bales and even calipers. People will modify like a cheap Harbor Freight caliper and on a connector onto it and use that. I've seen them where they modify a caliper to put on your Miller lathe. And that's a solution. Well of course now a lot of people don't like to go digital and everything but remember for may have had certain instruction or may have already gone through the courses is bringing you up into the 20th century? Well, the main advantage to a solution like this, any Miller Lathe you have, what is called, online I use the correct term, I call it, let's say you're turning it one way and you start going back the other way, there's that little bit of play. If you just want to move a little bit back, you have to actually go past it on a Miller Lathe, a digital readout, breezy, absolute. Then my other question is, if you were to build a either handgun or rifle. What would you think would be the easiest one to build out of all the different ones that are out there? If I were looking at from scratch, you know, in a weapon, if I were looking at war production, I would do a stand-be. If we were not restricted and right now we had to go to war, I would be investigating and looking at a stand design. The reason any pot metal tube can make the receiver, the needed component is the trunnion and the barrel. The magazine well is the next sensitive item, but they're all crude and rude. And there's a number of different solutions I could have for that, but we could crank out a stand gun for pretty much what they did in World War II. He translated out at probably about $15 per gun. The most expensive part, everything else could be made from whatever steel, metal, bronze, brass, whatever we got on hand. The hand gun could be a toss up right now because, you know, I've always wanted to experiment with making a... You know, if you think about it, we're making glocks out of them. Based on the idea that we threw all the base of American firearms manufacturing out the window because we assume that we're going to get over pressured guns and so we designed a whole bunch of stuff into the weapons to make sure that they can handle people who like to want you know. The Glock through all of the ideas are basic concepts of variances and ammunition out the window. For sensitive to ammunition, over pressure is just going to stay within minimal. The design lends itself to alternate materials. The interesting thing is, can't say it would be like an antique. I wouldn't care without you think it's an antique. Does it work? cheapest and simplest to build? Well, the problem with the upper parts is that they're stamped forged, etc. So there's, again, in automatic pistols, in revolvers, there are pluses and minuses in each design. My biggest concern with building any handgun would be commonality of parts. In the revolvers, building a handgun from Scrapframe Model 10, in automatic, I know it's going to offend the Glock people, but I really can't build a Vladimir frame. So the 1911 actually is a very sensible design to lean toward. When the industry was not rude but it was a cruder and rude. 1911 was originally built with all hand machinery that we presently owned. The shelf is far more sophisticated than the technology that was used to build and design the 1911. Now it doesn't mean that they weren't sophisticated 100 years ago because they were. They had masters. But you have all the tooling probably sitting on the shelf necessary to build a 1911. No, I wouldn't build it in this case again. I could take advantage of magazines, I could take advantage of existing slides. If I had to build from scratch... Well, I would point out that the Vietnamese, in fact, there are several examples of their Vietnamese kids who out in the middle of some, you know, of the... In a hut, we built 45 from several examples. One of the guys I know right here in Ypsilanti, Michigan has a 1911 that he brought back from Vietnam. And when you first look at it, Well it's kind of like you think, is that thing made out of silly putty? The lines of a 45 where they all need to be. But there's parts that just don't have that. You know if you're a, you know, you're Bill, you're the same, Don, I know you're the same, we've all worked in machines. And we can tell when there's a true line variance, when something doesn't go in line, not the way it goes. In other words, it's got a little bulge here, it's got a little rounded spot there. That's not right. Well what it is, is this pit bull was probably made from a piece of railroad in the middle of the middle of the back fields of Vietnam, maybe in the highlands. And some kids were at one piece at a time. The magazine is a 1911 mag that will slide right in. He also has a magazine that whoever it was that built that pistol, they built that magazine from scratch. I know that guy didn't have a Bridgeport Mill, and I know that kid didn't have a lathe out there in the middle of nowhere. He might have had a lathe, but it was a rustic equivalent to a Singer sewing machine hand lathe. You know, in other words, you had a couple of gears, probably had a pulley, may have had either a bow up to the side running the wheel, and other than that, it was all done by hand and you could see it by the tooling marks or whatever, but you know what's fascinating? You put a .45 ACP around in that pistol, dead right now. The personal choice is available parts. In rifles, the same problem. Both weapons are fairly complicated, the AK or the AR. The AR for parts like I did this morning where I walked through, right now, crank an AR-15 together for about $450. $220 to $450, getting me a very serviceable AR-15 going. If I were to build it from scratch, I would lean towards the assault rifles, I would go towards the Volkswagen Deere rifle, 1944. The G45 slash the BG1 and 2 were designed to work and be hand-planted or any machine shop that had the ability to weld stuff together. Put, you know, welded, welded. whatever they had. Looking at leaning torch and a rifle for a light rifle like the AK or AR. For other documentation, look to the 1980, I'm not certain what, month, I think it would be later in the year. Document of that particular issue, again, I'm not certain of the 1980 year. But there's an Afghan boy building a .50 caliber bolt action rifle in that. He says it takes about a month just to build. Now there again, if I were building a bill, if I were putting a bolt gun together, look at the Motti Griffin design. The Motti Griffin prints, and I shouldn't say that I do have them, and actually we're going to reprint them again and offer them on the air, really for cost. I'm not interested in this making any money, but you've got to cover the thing and you've got to cover the shipping. Behind this is that you could take, if you're an intelligent person, couldn't design, A with down 30-06 to 223, and you could be building bolt-action, tack-driving rifles, single-shot any barrel length you want. And that would be the Motti Griffin bolt action single shot would be my sniper rifle. Crank out. Once you start building them, so many of those that there'd be no possible from being in the field. Oh, imagine a .223 bolt gun with 29 or 33 inch barrel. Roll energy out of the powder. And no felt recoil per se with a gun. Muzzle, compensator, flash height or whatever you want. On the end it's purely personal flavor choice. Oh, if you've built it with a bolt and three inch length You'd weigh almost as much as an AR. Yeah. And then you could also build the same design, scale it up to 30-06 or in its original... That weapon is so simple. You already have the machine. So the Mardi Grifen would be my bolt sniper weapon. Like I said, if I were looking at military production, the Sten gun is improved. There's all kinds of things that we could do to take advantage of off-the-shelf ideas that are now normal that would take the Sten gun into the 21st century comfortably. It would be an open bolt. automatic selector weapon that you semi-auto or select and there are many examples of that laying around out there. I mean as far as... you want the parts not because I want to slap that together. I want the parts so that I can get to modify it accordingly to make it work for me. The magazine, well, if I were building a stem gun in this day and age, I would build a stem gun with Glock. I use a Glock mag because it's the most common stinking magazine on the market. You can buy 33 round mags and 15 round mags. And that Sten gun, I'd still keep the side mounted. I wouldn't change anything in the design, because that way I don't have to do anything other than mimic what somebody else already figured out how to do. Over $2.00 in the Sten gun in World War II. The Sten gun was built, the Sten submachine gun. Could be in .40 caliber, it could be built 9mm. Magazines available in massive quantities. Blanks are available in .40 caliber in .762 by .39, or excuse me, .762 by .25. and 9 millimeter whatever, all I have to do to the new, in other words, is simply to even take the stem gun and with the same basic idea that they used to fix the buck that was originally built, it's for connection, but I can put a five point adjustable AR-15 buck stuck on the rear, using all the cheapest, most inexpensive parts and assemblies, no more than $15. It costs more for the mag than it would for the gun. Look at all the aluminum and brass, but anyway, of those metals that are so tough, Yes, yes. If you're using pure aluminum, but if you use one of the alloys, it is very tough. Well, let's think about, like, okay, we always, we just went through another anniversary for the Americans for the Northern War of Aggression. I would remind everybody that the Remington Cross-Track Standard 44, its counterpart does while they didn't have the steel foundries and forges and mass that the North had, like in Pennsylvania, New York, and maybe with a degree in Wisconsin. Quickly, the solution, 36 caliber Standard Colt, find it in steel and you'll find also copies in brass. Now you know what? The brass didn't last as. A lot of people died at the hands of those brass revolvers guys in the hands of Confederate soldiers. In fact, a lot of people got letters of condolences from all of the battlefields because people got plug-frame revolvers. And that wasn't even as sophisticated a brass as what you're talking about Bill. To be made, you guys know how a jeweler makes silver in a little crucible. You don't have to have a huge forge metal. In fact there's some excellent videos on YouTube right now on making private foundries and forges. Let's put it this way, and this is something you're not talking about yet, but you need to be thinking about. Nail drum, fans, hair dryers, take the heating element out and although it's nice to have extra calories going in, have that fan with that venturi directional hooked into a steel pipe that goes into the little forge area that you build, the temperature, looking at, like you're saying Bill, think about brass or aluminum. Guys, look at the subtle frame and understand that you're going to do what's called an 80 or 90% finished casting. That casting is done, your Dremel tool or your hand tool, to the finished cut cleanup. To put it to be quite honest, I have the attitude of Germany right off the bat. If I go into World War, this next war, the next war, finish on the outside is totally irrelevant. The Germans decided this in the middle of the war when they started to build certain rifles. a G43K43 rifle is probably the best example. It was a German, uh, German psyche, you know, semi-automatic rifle, and it became a sniper rifle, but it was supposed to compete originally. Fox magazine said, this is a 10-round mag, mostly stamped part, infusion cast. The receiver and the bolt are infusion cast, and what they did is they only finished where needed to finish. Upper surface of the rear, for instance, the bolt is rough-neveled. It actually They did this with other weapons from the same way and it's true there was no need to finish it. There was no, you know, take that out of your mind. I don't need to look pretty. I need to get it done. If I cast, I can leave a lot of the areas rough. For instance, the rounded grip area, etc. Where it's going to be again handy to have an odd surface for the sake of non-slips. All the finished parts can be rounded, round, and polished and I got myself a gem. Or aluminum, I could do that. Anything else? Bill, please jump in there. I'm sorry. Well, you could just use oil, cooking oil, and use a blower for a furnace. Oh, yes. And you're adding burn and oxygen at the same time. Oh, yes. Good point. Did you see right there? It's got to take off. I got to go. Thank you, sir. Appreciate the input. And again, guys, for anybody out there, 2089350094, down your number for night vision and closes for the bottom of the aisle. We're not leaving, guys. We're going to break. Set number is 231796. Cockles or gun sights? 845 and we'll be right back. That's V-I-T-A-M-Y-R dot com. Or call us today to place your order at 1-888-558-8482. That's 1-888-558-8482. Keep your teeth and gums healthy with Phytomer toothpaste and mouthwash. Phytomer. Nature's answer to healthy teeth and gums. 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Go to supernaturalsilver.com today and use the promo code Silver2015 for 30% off. yourself and your loved ones a fighting chance with supernatural silver. GI, some of the other things that are, have been, well you know, it's hard to, I say this every now and then, God bless, there are people who look at something and say, I can make that better. When it comes to that, you look at things like, well, instead of the little short guide rod, the guide rod that run the whole length of the frame, that makes the gun more accurate. If you're building one, you might wanna move in those directions, it's just a matter of, you know, if you're building one, you might have the ability even to build, again, you know, The 1911 is a particular loose enough to hold the trigger. They brag that gun will fire underwater, a lot of guns will fire. But again, you guys start with the basics and start bad odds. But sometimes you can get dinky little improvements. And if you can make that group at 50 and 100 yards, you can hit them with a brick farther out. Can you do it again with the 1911? Even the 1911 could be done a little cruder, as they say. In other words, how could you want it if I need it? if I'm looking for field grade and also I don't want to reflect for a simple finish, learn to... Remember, Shiny Chrome used to be big out there for the longest time, guys, remember that? And now people kind of look at me, a Shiny Chrome gun, and for the average person, it's like, hmm, it's interesting. For the people typically who are carrying weapons, Chrome is like, well, it's a little shiny. In other words, they prefer to substitute quietly in the gun world for quite some time. But, Shiny Chrome was there because of the gun either being damaged from rust or to prevent rust. In other words, well, I know I'm going to carry this gun under my armpit. You know, that tropical rainforest, I got two of them. If I'm going to do that, why don't I comb it so it doesn't rust to death, right, Don? Oh, yeah, another thing about chrome, you guys, when you're running big bets, you might get things that are top notch, you know, A grade, and you might get parts and whatnot. And to take the machine marks out, you have to go thinner than production. Put over there in the copper vat and you get a little bit of copper on it. Then you let the guy polish it over there. And he polishes the copper down and when he does that he takes out a lot of those imperfections. Then he hands it off too, rather than just throw them back into the vat and melt it down. Induction time and money into that part. Now granted it goes over to popular gunna use that. I'm gonna throw the phrase into the handgun mixer. A big chrome gun in your face on Saturday night is really really impressive. Gun out on the battlefield is really really attention drawn. That's the point. You can use both for that chrome but also can be used the finish on a weapon that may still take yet another subdue or a finish, or anodizing if it's aluminum. It's simple and of course also allows for cohesion anyway because you're micro roughing and then you're turning around and making that work for you in another arena. You know, get Ted Pan, asking it off of that guy is going to send back it out. I've seen some black ARs come in a week, they're three different colors and you don't want to set them down on the ground. Who's that? Yeah, you might trip over. We have the question Bill asked, like what would be my first choices? Hand guns are a bit of an issue to begin with because of their intricacy. Single shot weapons have been built for years that are actually not only quite effective, you can also scale it right up into the accuracy of a light rifle. See, so it's a matter of what am I trying to do with a handgun or what am I trying to accomplish with it? Well, typically it's a person you get into hacking and shopping with, you know, butcher knives, battle axes, and It's designed to keep somebody off of this a greater standoff distance than the person they were. It doesn't mean he can't use the close range, it will be, and most people do. They'll all try to put the action as you can, as quickly as you can, through all fights. It's an extended range of between 20, 30, 40, 50 feet, depending upon the shooter. Well, that's a lot better than being able to smell his breath as he gasps his whole handgun. Again, then we look at firepower. How much can we put out? And there's arguments about the shooter. In our book, what Bill asked, talking about what can I build and build and have one, build and have one, and we can make more so that it's neat. And that's where I'm, you know, it's a matter of what do you have in the way of machinery? What do you have in the way of raw material? The amount of time it takes to get the weapon into to the guy that needs it so that Don can defend himself. That's part of the formula, is time to production. Build handguns, and we will, we'll be doing this through the whole war, it's like World War II. With knives as quick as I can say, kachunk. And yet, every knife builder in the United States knives for the Marine Corps and the Army to take to the Pacific and into Europe. Those knife makers, they may have only produced 500 or 1000 knives a year. Machine rate, certain techniques, went with the simplest process but they didn't cheap out on the quality because their logic was this weapon to the same spec of carrying that knife in the field keep him alive. After stamping a million times over, there's companies that go, kachunk, kachunk, kachunk, kachunk, and play the same knife. hours, days, weeks, maybe it'd take months, a few months, but they could crank out everything that all these private man manufacturers could do. Why did government do this? Because by having all the small manufacturers building what they needed, insurance policy in place, that big factory that goes kachunk, and then the machines don't go kachunk no more. We need to produce the defense from a broad strategic reserve policy that we established before to understanding that it was highly probably derided to Japanese for building parts of airplanes because it was the same thing the English were doing. Yeah! See how that worked? The character time guys. Back to the matter is that most all the weapon systems, again the handguns make a mimic of a revolver but we would probably go to an earlier design. We could mimic the 45, we could save a little here and there by taking advantage of the existing weapons parts. is a completely freestanding design but guys once you find out how crude and rude it was to make when you do the research that any garage or house could build one. Oh you gravitate to that position like like see but it has to be in fact here's the thing we don't wait until we get into such trouble because we've lost our armies overseas do it because we're on our last leg and we got to come up with a way to make guns because we can't buy them from the gun merchants anymore we need to plant that seed now place now and when we go to war production we go to cheapest most The body will vary depending upon a... Rude and rude will get the job done. That's Sten gun. That's that Mardi Grifen bolt gun in 300 wind or 30 out of 6, 50 caliber. Pull the trigger on it. You know that it's going to work every time. You know that it's going to pull it right where you want it to. And depending upon what bore you chose, you know, which design you went with, you will reach that maximum, hitting damage to the target that you applied the energy to. Your mission, that's your goal. With regard... Now we didn't even touch on shotguns. But again, a shotgun is a little more sophisticated than you might think, but I would also point out, pump shotguns were built in the 1880s. Oh yeah? Well again, over 130, 40 years ago, people were using, well, not only pump shotguns, let's point something out, everybody loves the second Terminator movie, Don, you know that, guys. Yeah. What was Arnold using when he was in the second Terminator movie? It looked like a Winchester, and it was. When he did the wrap of the sweep around in cock to gun, it was a shotgun! Yes! Winchester made a lever-action shotgun, and in fact, they are out there still. Now there are copies being made. Low pressure, high velocity shotgun, you know, a design typical for all shotguns. Means that making a copy or a mimic of that is purely a f****** skated deal which at the time, being the most complicated component as far as for reliability, we've got to use a, you know, it has to be a seamless process. One good thing about shotguns, they're far more forgiving than other weapons for metallurgy and velocity too. In other words, if I needed to make something that would really put a lot of pellets down range and I want to put some volume fire down range, Mr. Shotgun is still a sensible solution, especially when, again, as I kill my enemy, I'm going to take from his warm, dead hands. Notice they cold dead hands. Why? Then you've got to buy their fingers. Yeah, exactly. Why wait? Like kill them dead, you still gas them for Even while they're dying right there in front of you, strip them naked of everything. Show them the pink Hello Kitty rifle you shot them with that you just insult them. Hey, by the way, you were shot with my daughter's Hello Kitty rifle. Screw you. Goodbye. Go on to find another target and rearm the people with the stuff you stripped off that knuckle-dragging black uniform, roided up secret policeman that deserved to get, you know, blood. Well, a point to be made while we're talking about pump actions. You guys might remember in the spring time last year I went to an auction and I talked about some of the guns that were being auctioned off at Outlaw. One that caught my interest I didn't have the money to purchase was a, I think it was a Remington rifle. I think it was a Remington. I could be wrong. But rather than build up a gas bay, you know, it takes a little more motion and we've talked about motion and shape and color. Rather than build up a gas system, a pump bowl is something that would be dependable as your elbow. Think about it. I think that was a Remington. Remington, yes. Oh no, no, no, it's hard with pumpkin, yes. Remington has been generating a pump of full caliber rifle for 70 years. Actually, their basic design, well, there are three designs that they had over the years. Two of them are very collectible. One, the middle rifles, 30 and 32 Remington. They're pumps and semi-autos. The problem is the calibers... I don't know why they went out of style. I really don't. Other than the fact that .30-06 came out in four. The .30 and .32 Remington design cartridge is an excellent cartridge. It's just so stinkin' stupid priced that you, you know, those themselves are more collector's items than anything. And I really don't understand why that cartridge went out. Other than just the fact that .06 otherwise, the design itself lends itself to simplicity. Again, there's stampings involved that could be made as machined components or fabricated. Now when I say fabricated, remember that means taking more than one piece of metal to another, you know, using the flame glue gun, you know, a torrid. A luchia wrench? Yeah, a flame wrench. The idea is, or it can be an arc well, it can be any number of different systems. Most of the parts that we're talking about, grazing would not probably work with. Grazing has been used with, for instance, a lot of submachine gun desperation weapons. We experimented with brazings and was successful. Parts, weapon parts, you would not suspect that they were on major weapons that you've actually probably seen either in movies and documentaries. Brazing was actually used for, you know, adhesion. Welding would be your first choice because we can bond the metals, but there again you have to consider again, you know, again changing the structure of the metal when you bond it together like that. So these are factors where you don't overdo it. You actually understand, you connect components, you minimize stretching the composition of the metal so that you don't create a fracture or stress issue down the road. You may not care about that. If you're in wartime production, you already accept the idea that maybe a part will break at 20,000 rounds. But the logic is you're cranking out so many of them that if that happens, Your logic is you need the weapons now, you're in a battlefield, you know, like strategically you're in a battlefield situation that is your supply, you get the weapons out. The important thing is to balance that out with safety to the operator. If a failure that will not risk the operator's life but may cause problems with a logistic train, you might sacrifice the logistic train issue and accept the idea that you're going to have to build more parts to replace what breaks. But we're not talking short lifespan. 20,000 rounds for many weapons is pretty decent Oh, no, not bad at all. Let's invoke that one song about a bad day. What is one of the first lines? I've missed some times. But it's 20,000 rounds. You look at at least 10,000 wounded enemies. And again, here's the thing about the other, the Mahdi Griffin in 223 or in even 30 out of 6, that design would be around for generations. If you built that with off the ship, you're available in the that weapon is built like a brick doghouse. The design, the Motti Griffin design is so robust and so old scaled down in .223 or 7.62x39 or whatever caliber. The reason we say .223 and .50 caliber and .30-06 all either scaled down or up from each other. All the dimensions for everything that you need to do to build a Motti Griffin, all you would do is scale 3 or scale to .30-06 or to the .50 cal design which was originally intended and it would be identical. Think about that. No new And with the bolt design for the Muddy Griffin, for instance, you're not going to overpressure the two with a .223. Even the heaviest .223 you could come up with would still be a popcorn cartridge on that action. Oh yeah. In .30-06, there's nothing really you could do. It's a very robust and intelligent safe design. That's mostly with the way the locking is a very user-friendly design. Not single shot, but again, it's a sniper weapon. It's designed to be a placement shooter weapon. And if I fire, in the battlefield of the future that we're talking about you don't sit there and spray and pray or you don't sit there and repeat shots with your bolt gun. Do the Dan Phong thing. No, you fire and you move and as you move your second rifleman is engaging the target from another direction or team of snipers. Squad of marketing and two-man teams. That would be five teams and when one shoots and hits because the important thing is every round hits. You know there was an old poster that he did World War II, the Poles and it said German. Well you don't wait till the end of the war to do that when you're short ammunition or the end of the battle when you're short ammunition. Right from the get go, and you start creating casualties kids. Not just making people feel bad, but if you create massive individual place-top casualties. This is often as you hit, you're not doing bad when they're running and dodging and trying to zigzag and hide behind a little bit of a, not exactly a quote from, but it's this. And again guys, you know, that was a good question Bill. We're gonna actually continue with this tonight. We are at the top of the hour here. Jeff Bennett is coming up next, guys. Don, first your number for night vision please, because you'll be available in about five minutes. Hey, goggles are coming. Give me a call. Two three one seven nine six five eight. The guy with the 800 number and then call me. You probably won't call him back. My number is two three one seven nine six five eight. Thank you Mark. Very good. A real quick thing on the Sten gun idea, you know, like I said, block mags. The common submachine gun mag on the market is the MP5. It's an expensive mag. The reason I brought up the Glock mag is because Korean copies are aftermarket. I bought the pistols. Imagine that if you needed a magazine to keep that stem there, you could go, all you gotta do is look for that big box mag. You've been picking up over the years for $5 a piece and $4 a piece. The more expensive ones, $8 and $10 a piece. But if a guy is in the unit and got Glocks, at least throw me a mag. Logically, if I did build a stand gun that would use a Glock mag, my pistol would be a Glock. To me, that's common sense for mags, guys. That way I'd have another hand cannon that would be completely integratable with my mags. If my stand gun goes bad, mags work. If my Glock goes bad, my mags. Then again, it might not be a Glock, but a replica of a Glock. Exactly. In brass. I'm honest to think that way, because we could do all kinds of home projects and have lots of Glock. Great model. Lots of Glock. The Republic. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. 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