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I'm getting that, you know, because it is a, a stir that might be the route, but we want to find the right two fliers. Yeah, well, okay. Well, you know, just right off the top of my head, just thinking about it. If you opened up the mic, just look where the button is, and I think the two wires operating off that button would be the one you're looking for. Very cool, okay. Okay. Alrighty. Just right off the top of my head. Well, I'm going to jump off in case anybody else has a question, but I've pretty much gotten here, and maybe Mark will elaborate a little more. Thank you, Joe. Okay, thank you, Henry. And I hope this all doesn't sound too complicated for you all. I mean, we're feeding you a lot of information, and if you want to get involved in micro-broadcasting, There's lots of things you can do. But the most important thing that you have to pay attention to is your audio levels. And that's why I first explained Unity Game. And if you can figure out how to use some VU meters, put some VU meters along, you know, it's a little needle thing that bounces back and forth and keep them out of the red, okay? It gives you a real-time reading of what your audio levels are going out, okay? So, but right now we got another caller, some guy named Fred down in Tennessee. Fred, something to have read. Actually his head in Texas. I was going to say Fred, excuse me me, but maybe not. I think you might pick up on that. I called in for exactly what Henry was talking about. It's actually not that difficult to splice it in. Back when I was bringing LPR up online for the first time, I was doing a lot of research and Skype is a system that everybody's familiar with. But before we had Skype, we were running Yahoo chat services because you could make phone calls with Yahoo Messengers and you could set up your own free chat room that you could walk into and everybody could talk. They got rid of those real quick. There was, running through that, called Project WorldCB, where people had set up this live chat room, and anybody who was involved with it, I know we've got people who are listening who were, they would set up base stations and link them, if they would have all the instructions, I can kind of find them online right now to see if they're still up, but they would have the instructions on how to set up your CB, whether it be with a open mic set to box, up close to a speaker that way uh... i mean the one of the cool thing that we did is we were actually we key the mic in michigan for truck drivers that are going by and they get somebody in australia and they go no wait you got a boomer that big and then explain to the truck drivers how we were running the uh... cb or cb unit to the computer with box control and you were talking simultaneously with the truck drivers over in australia it did this It can be done, it has been done before. All you have to do is just a little creative. Depending on what model CB you get, there are models that use a standard microphone jack. I think the Aussie models are... We like the Australian model CBs for this because it's two reasons. They send on one channel and they receive on the other so you can talk at the same time. military packet and radio, that's the thing. And they were built that way from the get go. When you watch the movie Mad Max, the radios that you see them using are 10 years ahead of anything we had in the US. Well maybe instead of throwing all this out there, just kind of slow it down here a little bit and just kind of address one piece at a time and then we'll get the things that you can do. I'm getting lost in my own program here. That's okay Joe. I'm seeing if I can find it. I'll call back in if I do. But if not, I'll see if I can get a hold of my friends who are running it in Australia because I still have their contact number. But I don't have contact for the guys who are doing it in the US out of California, Arizona, Detroit and Florida. We even had some people in France but I never could understand what they were saying because I don't speak French. Alright, thanks Ed. Alright. Alright. Alright, getting back to, I'll explain a little farther about your audio levels, okay? For example, if you're running 1 watt, okay? And you got everything set at unity gain and then you go outside and you drive 10 miles, 5 miles, whatever it takes, depending on the train where you live. If you just go outside your house, you're going to turn your car radio on and it's going to sound really robust, okay? But when you get five or ten miles away, it's not quite so robust because the signal is not that strong out that far. It's still there, but it's not robust. And if you want to be robust 20 miles down the road, that's where the little amplifiers come in. You don't turn up your audio, you don't touch anything, you put more watch in the line, and it carries that signal farther. You have something called affected radiated power. And what you do is kind of like an umbrella. Think of it as an umbrella. And when you put an amplifier in line, then that umbrella becomes bigger and it just saturates everything underneath that umbrella. And it sounds just as robust as one watt does right outside your window. Okay? I just want to give you some idea, give you a picture in your mind, so how these things work. And that's pretty much how they work. The other thing you can do, now let's say you start off with one watt, and I'm going to tell you why to do one watt in just a second, but let's say you start off with one watt. As I mentioned, that signal may carry 20-30 miles. The signal is there, it's just not saturating as if you had a million watts. Okay, so you get one watt, and what you want to do is you want to take, you know like we were talking about doing for the micro effect, just put something on little cards or pieces of paper or get some stickers made or something and tune in to the 97.5 okay and put them everywhere, hand them out to your friends so they know that you're there because they have a piece of equipment, I forget what it's called, maybe Mark knows what it is When you're dialing your radio, it stops it on that frequency. Okay, there's a piece of equipment in line that you can't hear that's sending a signal. You know, beep, beep, beep. So when your radio comes along, it grabs that signal, your digital radio. It'll grab that signal because there's a signal there telling it to grab it. Now when you put up a little low power FM station, you don't have that signal Omitting going out to grab those people that are scanning all across their radios So ultimately you have to get down and dirty Start putting things on stickers so you know, whatever you can do and put them everywhere that you can you know, tell your friends Anything that you can do to promote yourself Okay Because you cannot lock in you have to know where it's at. So you have to go out and tell people 95.7 or 97.5 or whatever it is that you're running You have to go out and tell people because the radio doesn't just pick it up automatically. Alright, you need to know that. The reason for 1 watt. The reason for starting off with a single watt, 1 watt, is 1 watt is low enough for you to put another, an amplifier in line. So what you're doing is you're taking your 1 watt, let's say you have a 100 watt amplifier, you're using your 1 watt to push your 100 watt. It's designed to do that. Or you can use 1 watt to push 250 watts. But here's something you can do. If you buy a 15 watt transmitter, a 30, a 50, or whatever, you cannot push that 250 watt amplifier with, you know, 15-20 watts. Because it's going to smoke it right there right now. Now, if you were in that range 20-30 watts, output, what you need is about a $5,000 piece of equipment so that it can take the 30 watt push. So the reason for starting off with one watt is it gives you the ability to increase your wattage with an amplifier if that's what you chose to do. Now on the other hand, if you have a 15 or 20 watt or a 10 watt or whatever and you're perfectly happy with that, great! No problem. Just don't try to put an amplifier in line because it's too much and it will smoke one if not both. So keep that in mind. One watt will push up to 250 watts but you can't take 50 to push a 250 because it's overdrive. And I think that pretty much clears that up. I'm being reminded in the chat room here For those the first three okay and Mark can tell you how expensive and the yagi antenna can be I'm forgetting what mine costs three or four hundred dollars or something, but whatever it was it's been a long time there But we have three Yagi antenna available antennas available right now. Okay, so for the next three donations of $100 We'll send you one of these yagi antennas. Okay If you don't know what a YAGI antenna is, Mark, I'll give you a chance to talk for a few minutes and maybe explain the difference between an omni-directional and a YAGI. Much like we were talking about, omni-directional with the FM would be to use a single dipole, a single mass, like a fishing rod that's straight. It may or may not have what you might call time. Yeah, radius. Or all about a 45 or a 35 degree angle to the base of that fishing rod that you've got straight up. And these are cut-red to match the frequency to a degree. Those are. The objective is to be able to more than one piece of equipment up. That's what a lot of guys build them, so they work for the average, you know, in the middle of the bandwidth in FM. You have to do an emergency. Guys that are interested in purity, clean signal, will adjust to a very specific frequency, and you can do that accordingly. That's an omnidirectional fishing pole. Yaggies sink a to the ground, or it should take two arms that hold the crossbars. just think of a bar in the middle but oriented to push the signal what you're doing is rather than that mushroom we were talking about kind of like an umbrella, think umbrella or mushroom. Yeah, a Yagi doesn't broadcast like an umbrella. Yeah, we're going to take all that signal and we're going to push it. We want to get the most efficient directional signal. It's directional, exactly. And Yagi antennas do that. What he does with that by pointing it horizontally is that you can focus in an area and push anywhere from inefficient just, you know, like you did your guess and you got close, you'd still get 85 to 90, well, 85% of your signal where you wanted it to go. Now the more efficiently tuned that 10 is, in other words, constructed, you're looking at being able to set 92 to up to 95, 96% of whatever energy you have in the way of the signal down that line. However you point that ladder, wherever you point it, all of your signals pointed in that direction. Now there's backwash because you've got to remember if the ladder points in one direction, then there's going to be signal going in the other. So think a line. It will have bleed or in other words, there's like a, there's, it's like, the way to describe how you would be able to, as a radio signal, in picture where you have the dark, the lighter color, fuzzy area where there's that thermo signal really weird if you could visualize. Side ways. Yeah. And you still would have, you'll have wash left and right and a very consistent wash. So when you take this YAGI and you point it in a direction, you are going to be able to run along that line. And it's guaranteed you're going to get a very strong signal farther out, also greater distance because you're increasing the energy in a particular direction. That's with a YAGI to number one. The signal number two, the signal to get the transmission killer objective. All right, well, let me let me mention this, Mark. Like in the case of a YAGI antenna, the rear, the rear radial is the longest one. and the signal reflects off of that. You still get some signal back there behind you but not as much as you have going forward. You're right, exactly. You're still going to get someone called backwash. It's kind of like, don't stand behind a claymore mine when you set it off. You think it all goes forward? Well, about 10% comes back. You're going to need your pencil again and you need to write this down. For every 3 dB gain, When you look at antennas, it'll tell you 3 dB gain or 6 dB gain. It's very important to know what dB gain you have and how many watts it can handle. Now this is something you need to know. If you're just only going to run 5 or 10 watts or 1 watt or whatever, all the antennas they have on the market or whatever, pretty much cover it. But if you plan on putting 100, 200 watts or something on there, then pay attention to how many watts the antenna is designed to handle and how many dB gain. Now let me start with this. For every 3 dB gain, you double your affected radiated power. And here's what that means. If you're pumping 1 watt in to an antenna that has 3 dB gain, it actually multiplies to 2. Now if it's 6 dB gain, it's going to multiply to 4 and so on and so forth. Now when you throw an extra 50 or 100 watts in there, that increases substantially. You are a smoking gun. The affected radiator power is your saturation. Okay? So again, for every 3 dB gain, you double your power, your affected radiated power. And that's where your signal, you know, it don't increase. It's not that you're going farther. It's just you're saturating the signal you're already sending. Okay, you're filling it in and making it more robust. That's what the increase in the wattage does. Okay, so one more time. For every 3 dB gain, you double your power. So if you buy the 9 dB gain antenna, you're going to triple your power, whatever wattage is coming, even with one watt. you'll go from 2 to 4 to 8 for example. So your little 1 watt transmitter becomes 8 watts in its affected radiated power. Now if you put 100 watts on there, okay, you're going to go just like it, you know, the other you go with the 200 to 400 to 800, okay, that's 800 watts out of 100. That's your affected radiated power, okay. So, I hope you wrote that down because I know this all sounds very technical, but let me tell you when you're buying, I'm just going to roll with this man. When you are, here's something you need to think of before you even get a transmitter. Anything. Here's what you need to decide and I'll explain to you why. You have to decide before you start putting your season together exactly what it is that you're going to do. Say for example, if you want to handle phone calls like we do here on the micro effect, you can't buy a $100 mixer with three or four channels on it and expect to accomplish that. You have to have a mixer with something called a Mix Minus feature, okay? And then of course then there's a phone system. We'll get to that maybe another day. But right now, I'm trying to explain to you to sit down and think about what it is you want to accomplish with your little radio station and ask yourself, am I just going to sit here and rebroadcast the micro effect as well as others? What am I going to do? I'm going to feed it 24 hours off of my satellite or you can create your own broadcast schedule. by switching back and forth maybe to use satellite systems in your computer for people who are not on satellite, etc. What is it you're going to do? Because it's very important that... because I did this. I'm telling you from experience. When I first started out, of course, I did the right thing. I bought the wrong mixer board. And I paid, I don't know, $120, $130 for it. And I love that mixer board. That mixer board was like a mixer board to me. But then when I started investigating how to hook up phone systems and all this and get people talking on the air because that's what people were wanting me to do, I realized I had the wrong mixer board. So there's 130 bucks out the window and now I have to go buy another one. So the idea is to buy the right piece of equipment the first time and that's what Mark and I are here for. Okay? You figure out what it is that you want to do and what you want to accomplish and we can tell you how to save some money and get the right pieces the first time around. Okay? So these are things that, like I said, things that you need to know. Right now we've got Bill in Texas who is on line three. Good morning, Bill. Good morning, guys. I got an early rush this morning, but I'll be quick. You were talking about Yaggies. Yes. Each time you add another element, which makes the antenna longer, you get diminishing returns at a certain point, pausing anything more than 17, 19 dB of gain, they're lying. You just can't get more than that out of a Yagi. But even though people know, you know, it's towards the end. As you get more gain with each element, but then each element becomes a smaller percentage of the amplification. It was an issue years ago, back in the 90s, solutions, they were done. This was a military project, by the way, and this thing that knows we were doing it. And the argument is that you can also only get so with regard to focus of the signal, you're still going to have some of that lead you're talking about. And that may be detected if you're trying to be clandestine. Well, health technology so financed research to develop more efficient Yagi antennas. And I guess if you have some bucks, you can take an inexpensive item and make it so expensive that it becomes a government project. We used to make simple Yagi's. You'd take some really nice wood, glue in your elements. That's interesting. I've never heard that one. And if you're building your own, they're not that difficult to build. You'll have to look up basic antenna theory, but there's a K factor. And the K factor is the wavelength, diameter of the condole frequency. It doesn't mean much. You start getting up into the UHF, upper end of the VHF, it can make a difference. The diameter of the conductor becomes the percentage of the that you're dealing with and calculates your K factor. We're trying to keep this simple Bill. It's not to scare people off. There's people that can have a lot of fun with this radio. There's people that need to become radio geeks that are listening. To be quite honest, we need more people that are going to get immersed themselves in the technology because what's coming, you become the grand, you become the magician. He knows to give us the fight. From far distance. Been watching too many movies. Anyway, I'm going to get ready for my calls this morning. Thank you guys. Thank you sir. And I'm going to win that lottery. I have to. Yeah, get another ticket. No, I already bought more, but I'm just saying. All right. Well, we're waiting to hear from you. All right. Bye. Thank you Bill. All right. I wish somebody would go out and buy a winning lottery ticket just so we could all feel better. Somebody got out of this hole. Anyway folks, again, we're talking about micro broadcasting here. Don't let a lot of this, it's easier than you think. Okay? To put it plainly, if you can hook up an EV player and all that, you can do this. Okay? Because a lot of the equipment today for FM broadcasting is simply RCAs and a few other wires and you're up and running. Okay? The only thing you might trip over is what length of coax cable to buy, what kind of coax cable to buy. We can talk about that on another program because that is as important as any of it as well because you have shielded coax and you know you lost the signal for it based on the length of the coax but like I said we'll talk about that another time. Today we just want to cover some of the basics understanding of how not to overdrive your transmitter, basically how to put it all together, pointing out that you want to think about what it is you want to accomplish in total with the station that you're putting together. When I started out, just like I said, I spent $120-30 on this really nice mixer and it has some sound effects in it, all the cool stuff. Then when I started, well hey man, how can we call in? We want to call into the station. Well I don't know. I went and I talked to the phone guy. You'd think the phone guy would know. He lives right up here on the hill. And he said, yeah man, I know they do it, but I don't know how they do it. So after a whole lot of phone calls and research and talking to people, I finally found somebody that knew what the hell I was talking about. they turn beyond to the equipment and how to go about hooking it up and all that and of course we'll be sharing that with you as well. But again think about what it is that you want to accomplish if you just want to be a simple rebroadcaster that's as simple as it gets really. It's just a matter of a source and a little mixer board and if you want to put a limiter compressor in line that's fine and onto the transmitter and away you go. Okay. Okay, who's on line one? Okay, we got Art on line one there. Good morning Art. Good morning gentlemen, how are you today? We're still here contrary to popular demand. Contrary to popular demand? That's a little scary there dude. Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, you were talking about, you know, if you get into doing micro broadcasts and you need to decide exactly what it is that you want to do, which is Kind of a mistake that I made in the beginning. I really didn't know what I wanted to do other than I wanted to do something more than what I was already doing. Because I was already going to town and running my mouth and pissing a lot of people off. But I wanted to do something more because you can only, you know, when you're out and about running errands and stuff, you can only talk to so many people in the run of the day. Right. But if you're pumping out the FM, there's no telling how many people you can reach. And if you're handing out little pieces of paper or stickers or something and telling everybody where to find that station, it's just increasing. And then you don't have to talk at all. Here, here's your piece of paper. Yeah, you can do it. Do up flyers and walk through parking lots and stick with people for chill wipers, you know. I mean, it works. Right. But, you know, I was talking to this guy named Randy with Castle Broadcasting, and he's the one who set me up with my little S-1 transmitter and helped me get started. And I really didn't know what I wanted to do except that I wanted to do something. And this I thought was a great thing. I could just set it up and walk away. And it's pretty simple because all I had to do was run a line from the speaker jack in the computer directly to one of the microphone jacks on the front of the transmitter because there's two microphone jacks. I did that and that allowed me to be able to immediately, anything coming through the internet, my clock radio, whatever, automatically goes out over the FM. Plus, there's another microphone jack. I plugged my headset microphone into that and now I can talk. And all I have to do is just turn a dial. Whatever I want to do, I just turn a dial so if I don't want the headset to air out, I just turn it down. and let the other one run. So I can actually move back and forth between mics, whatever I want to do. Or if I'm doing my own broadcast like I do on Saturday evenings here. I do my own broadcast, I have my own programming schedule and everything else. Let me tell you what really became really popular here. I had a guy, I used to tell him, hey if you want to do some radio or something, you know, stop by the TV. So a guy shows up one evening and underneath his arm he's got this giant pile of old country music. So we put something together, we call it the Country Bob Show. And every Saturday night, every Saturday night you'd hear Webb Pierce and, uh, It's Ernest Tub and all these. And that show became so popular. People were calling in, man, I mean it became so popular. The only station that's in our area is a country western station. It became so popular on Saturday night. that one day Bobby walks into the studio and he says, hey man, are you listening to that other station? And I knew who he was talking about. I said, no, I never listened to that station. He said, you need to listen to it. So he turned it on. And here they created a Sunday show of the same music that we were playing. Well, we get something like that goes on here. It's generally right on Sunday evening. But, you know, and it all runs right strictly off the computer. The guy will bring his laptop in, he'll set it down, he'll unplug from my computer, plug right into his laptop, and he's got all his music right there. And the thing is, we don't use mixture boards. Or any of that, it runs strictly off a computer and a headset microphone. That's it. And we found, because I have no job, I've not had a job in, God, 2008 was my last job. How many people are in a job? I don't have any way of doing anything financially, so I have to work off of figuring things out. So here's how I solve the phone call problem. Have a phone with a very loud speaker, and then you have the headset microphone, which I have, which is extremely super sensitive, and will pick up anything from across the room. Set it down next to the phone, and then when a call comes in, you hit the button, Boom live on air and Just let the microphone pick it up. It's not quite the same as having in line right, but if you don't have money like I've got Make it happen make it work. All you need is a good sensitive omni-directional microphone There you go, and you can do it. Yeah. Well, that's what I say. You just need to be a little creative Create the things that you you don't have exactly exactly But you know, if you don't have a lot of money like I do, I got no money at all, figure something out. Just, like you said, be creative, because there are ways around it. Oh yeah. Yeah, if you're pumping out information and it's at least clean, here's the sad part. People are so used to listening to the big booming radio station, they're spoiled rotten. They're spoiled rotten. So if you get on there, you got a little 60 cycle hum or you have this little problem or something, I don't want to listen to that. It doesn't sound good. I'm sorry, that's how they are. That's what they'll tell you. So that's why we are explaining to you about unity gain and all this kind of thing to have you, whatever signal you're sending out there, If it's only reaching five miles, make it a good signal, a clean signal. And then if you want to go farther, put a little power in mine. Like I said the other day, mine's a little 15 water, so I get 15, 20 miles on a nice, good, clear day, 15, 20 miles today. It's a little bit overcast and whatnot, so I'm going to take a wild guess and say, eh, probably 12. 12-14 miles today maybe. I mean I can pretty much generally look at the sky and have a pretty good idea of how far I'm getting out. Yeah. You know and you know I can tell you I'm reaching downtown that I know I'm reaching downtown because if I weren't I would have already been notified. But and we're talking about 15 miles downtown. So I'm probably pushing 12-14-15 miles today. I had a caller call in one time from, I think it was Missouri, and was all excited because he had pulled into a gas station, and there's a little low power station in this town, and he pulled into a gas station and he heard me talking on the radio in a cop car. Oh, that's pretty entertaining. Yeah. You never know where you're broadcasting. It kind of makes you wonder, gee, I wonder why this guy's listening, you know? Why are the cops listening to me? It kind of would make me a little bit nervous, but I don't know. It shouldn't. They need to know what they're doing, too. Yeah, they do. Well I guess if I were around Chicago or something like that I'd probably be a little concerned. Around here, this is such a small town. We've got maybe, I don't know, I've got a population of maybe about 2 or 3 thousand. It's such a small town that I don't concern myself with it. I could see if I were to make a city. like Chicago or New Orleans or something like that, I'd probably be a little bit worried. Well, the problem with being around major metropolisms like that, that all the FM channels are saturated every frequency. Yeah, just about. Okay, they're piled up on one on top of the other. So if you're in the outskirts, you know, the suburbs, you know, a little farther and while I wouldn't go with the suburb, I'd have to go a little farther than that. But get if you're far enough away from the city where everything is all saturated. I hear we're on that. In fact, you put in my zip code and and basically we've got from 94.5 to 95.7 there's absolutely nothing. So it's a wide range right there that you can play with. You know that's something I was thinking about. What's the help people need to be aware of? Do you go to a website that I used to have an address for a website that you could go to put your zip code in it and it would tell you what frequencies are available in your area. Yeah, I'll give you that right now. It's radio-locator.com. And you just simply type in your zip code and it will tell you, like you said, all of them. And they have two separate lists. One you can use each of these. Well, they each have three lists. There's the three frequencies are, or you can choose the ones to tell you which are open frequencies and they'll have good, better, and best. Okay, now let me explain to the audience what we're talking about. When you start broadcasting, you've got to have a frequency. You've got to pick one. And you don't want to pick one that's already taken by a licensed station. You don't want the big batch. Okay? So what you would do is go to www.radio-locator.com. You'll punch in your area code. And what that is going to do is it's going to come back and tell you all the frequencies that are not being used. so that you're not taking one in and it'll also loose the ones that are used but it's going to tell you all the ones that are available and that's a quick way instead of you know used to be before that I found that you go out and drive around okay what's on this channel and sometimes you might be picking up one you know 50 miles away maybe it's a bounce or something and they're not really in the mix but you're hearing their signal and if they're that far away then it really doesn't matter but Like I say if you go to www.radio-locator.com, put in your zip code, it'll tell you what frequencies are available in your area. I'm glad you brought that up because I'd long lost that. Well, that's something I definitely recommend people always check and that's the easiest way to do it. What I recommend is find a slot. First, find the radio station. First, use the page that will let you locate every single radio station that you could possibly pick up in your area. And it goes by your zip code. Then find the one spot on the dial where there is the largest space, the largest available space, Then go to the page that shows the open frequencies and choose the best frequencies in that area. Like for me, our largest space is between 94.3 and, or I'm sorry, between 92.5 and 94.3. That's the largest vacant space on our dial here where I'm at. So I go to the VACET channel page and I look it up and I have a list, three different lists come up, VACET channels, next best channel and third best channel. So the best channel in my area would be 93.7 or 93.1. Those are the two best. but that's within the largest span of open available frequencies in my area. Something else people need to be aware of is FCC regulations. This means you can, what happens here is you can run only so far without a license. This means depending on how much output you've got, how much power you put now will determine whether or not you need to be licensed. Since I'm only running 15 watts, I'm not putting out a whole lot of power. I don't need a license. Now if I were to go anywhere beyond that beyond the 50 watts that I'm putting out, I think at that point that I think I'm pretty sure that's when I would have to have my license in order to run legally. Yeah. Well, you know, that's something I don't even care to talk about because I got different feelings about that application part. Well, I just... The last thing I ever did was going around looking for permission to do anything for God and country. Well, that's why I purposely went out of my way to keep it at 15 watts and below because that way I don't have to deal with it. Because if I were to go bigger, then I run the risk. It's not like I'm going to go out and get a license, but I run the risk and I know people that have just happened to them. They were doing 25, 30, 35, 50 watts and all of a sudden one day they get a knock on the door And that's what I wanted to avoid. So I purposely did not go beyond 15 watts. Because now it's like I'm knocking on my door. Why are you here? I can't even begin to tell you how many are running 100, 150, 250. Well, I just want people to be aware that if you do this, this is the risk that you take. And we need to tell people the risk. We need to make people aware that there are risks in doing this. And that's what I'm saying. Don't ask for permission. I don't know why you want to bring all this bad news to the airway. I mean, I never ask for permission to do nothing. I got no hunting license. I hunt. I got no fishing license. I fish. Well, let me throw this out here. But I run a risk when I do. If you were to research all their parameters and criteria, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you will quickly discover that I don't care what state you're in. I'll just give you a little hint here. For example, if you lived in Georgia somewhere, Podium, Georgia, and you wrote a letter to the Capitol and said, hey, I want to put a radio station up here in the state of Georgia, you know, I want to send you a license or something, and they'll send you back a letter saying we're not in charge of that. Okay? The only thing the FCC had control of was overseas broadcasting for obvious reasons. Okay? And I'm just going to leave it at that. Alright, we got another caller here, Art. I appreciate your input, my friend. Alright, my husband. Alright, and we got Ed. Good morning, Ed. Again. Hey, Joe. Um, I heard you talking about a mixed mind for running a phone line. Not a lot of people realize this, but the computers usually have the software built in to do that. Probably if you know where it was. Windows X, they have the better sound, where the two mixing boards are recording and the player there, where you can find easier. Anything from, uh, above XP though they've simplified the audio system or actually they say made it better that way tries to tell it to decide what you want to do for itself. Still has it, it's a little hidden but you can find it. You know you can fairly easily and it just has got my system which if you don't have to do a manual mix minus most of most mixing boards can do it as long as you have two or three channels output And each channel output has its own individual volume levels? You're using your, what, your headphone and a channel? One channel? Actually, I've got a little $230 mission board that the guys donated to me. It actually has right-glossed output through the XRL cables and then it has three other... So you can get... The Nord board, even this one, even has special effects on it. So it has an internal mixed-minus, but I'm not having to use it because I'm running the mixed-minus through my computer because my phone is being run through the computer right now. My audio is being run from another computer, and it's just easier to do it that way than to try to figure out how to do it through the forward-order. Well, this is actually a conversation I didn't want to have at this point. Well, it can be some people provide. A lot of people that deal with mixer boards and sound, a lot of them don't even know what the hell mixed-minus is. And they'll tell you that they've heard of it, but they don't know what it is. I know. Even people who've gone to school, I had a problem with Henry. He hadn't heard of it before until I brought it up to him on air, because it's not a term that most modern engineers are used to, because their computers do it for them. And that's what I'm saying is, you don't necessarily need to know that if you're using your computer like the other caller was talking about. It'll do it for you most of the time, but if you don't have to get into the software, you can hardwire it to do it all the time. Save the settings that way no matter what it changes, but for the most part, most computers, when you're dealing with an internal system, as long as everything's being run through the computer, if the newer software will most of the time, every now and again, it won't read it properly. It still can be a problem, but... It's doable. Right now we live in the computer age and you can run just about everything through the computer. The only problem is, is if the computer goes down, how are you going to do it? Well, it's a little bit different when you're hooking up hybrid phone systems and stuff though. The computer is not like a, say, a hybrid. And for those of you who are wondering, what the hell is mixed-minus? I'm going to make a real attempt to explain it to you. What it is if I go from here talk from here to California and then California is talking to me You have the mix of the two we can talk back and forth Minus the loop and if you ever heard somebody loop You will hear it repeat, you know, hello, Joe. Hello, Joe. Hello, Joe. Hello. It's looping From here to California and all the way back. That's why you'll hear talk hosts and DJ's tell people turn your radio down. The reason they're telling them to turn the radio down is number one, people who love to hear themselves on the radio, wherever they are, you know like on the micro effect, if you're going to listen to yourself on a computer or on the radio while you're talking to us, I'm going to give you about two minutes. You're going to be so damn confused you're not even going to know what the hell you're talking about because it's coming in a delay and you're trying to hear yourself. It's not in real time and then you're trying to talk at the same time. The other thing that happens is it creates a loop all the way back to the studio. You've opened our resource and now we're hearing it back here. And the loop degrades it's the audio downgrades. Exactly. So that's why you'll hear People tell you when they call in turn down your radio or turn off your TV whatever it calls for Because you just open the channel right back to the studio But I have that problem from time to time, but it's usually when we're hooking up to somebody who's rebroadcasting things in the delay It does that it still happens even with a mixed-minus But it's less likely to happen with the mixed-minus because you're pumping them your audio but you're canceling out zero audio on the return and still putting it out on the air. Yeah, it's less effective with an actual mixed minus. But if you didn't have the mixed minus in play, then it would be looping like, you'd get feedback is what you would get. You know, we've had people, for example, two guys are going to do a radio program together, you know, and one's got, they got portable phones, so one's on one end of the couch and the other one's on the other end of the couch. And they're too close together. Oh, man. It's driving us. Anyway, is that all you had for us Ed? Yeah, that and I wanted to like, make sure for you that the VH, no B-E-H-I-N-G-E-R. Got the barrier. X, yeah. X122 USB 16 channel, the sound effects. It's got sound effects that you can pump in through your computer if you're feeding it through the USB cable or through the effects. I've never, I haven't really used the effects Looking up through the USD or anything so I can access that I've just used the basic mixing board It has you know, if take a look at it Joe, it's it's fairly small if it gets the job done. All right. Well, thank you, sir and Henry's gonna wear our phone system out here this morning. Good. Welcome back Henry Hey, I was just gonna comment on what art was talking about as far as how many watts I have a 32 bad equal they would come to you like that one watt. Okay, man. Thank you to There probably isn't anything you're going to ask that we have answered in one form or another. I will be covering more in the future. I'm really trying to hold back here without flooding all this stuff out at one time because it can be pretty confusing for somebody who thinks they want to give it a shot, but man, we're just pumping all this. It's not hard. You're so annoying. Well, again, I'll tell you. And then to a controller and then to a noise antenna out and you're done. Now there's variations in between but you have noise it goes to something that controls. Yeah, you can continue to the noise pusher You can improve from that point. Yep, exactly. You know four pieces There's a few more pieces, but not much more and in fact the only thing I recommend here's something we need to put a call what right now we're into the grandma or in terms of material listing a lot of I just got an entire free basically like what a dollar cents or a dollar for it guys that unit went for back in the day. Quality sound systems that if you want to take that little micro FM and some really neat stuff with it, you can take a simple cassette recorder and have that on hand to push noise, push sound. But right now you can make a monster station from these stereo components what you're doing. A lot of your filter and your stuff you see in the stereos can be applied to cleaning up your signal or making it sound stronger or just playing something, remember. CD players you want a CD player you want a success player because somebody's gonna walk in like you were just talking about earlier Tomorrow scrubs. That's a tape. Nobody else has wouldn't be nice to play it. Yep. We've got a CD player I could set player. I have a turntable of your turn and I have all these things And here here's in another part If you get a 4 or 5 channel for example, one is going to be your computer or your satellite system definitely and then you have room for 4 or more other things, cassette player, CD player, what have you. So if you, this is something else, just a little heads up, if you get something with 10 channels, and you're already running 5, and for whatever reason that channel goes down, it's not operating correctly or whatever you have some backup, you just move over to the next channel. Okay, maybe you have a slider that's really getting scratchy or it's intermittent and it's working and it's not then you just unplug it and move it over to the next channel. So there's just a little bit of redundancy, a little bit of creativity, a reason to get something just a little bit bigger than what you think you're going to use. Again, know what it is that you want to accomplish And again, we'll be talking more about this as time goes on. I've been getting so many requests to do this. So here we are, we're doing it. And I tell you what, before we get up to the top of the alley here, folks, again, I will mention we have three Yagi antennas available that's been donated to the Micro Effect. And for $100 donation that's going to help keep the Micro Effect on the air, we'll send you one of these Yagi antennas. Okay, that's a $100 donation The next three $100 donations that come in we're gonna send you a Yagi antenna also I talked about the 902 for Z we went to eBay you can find them on eBay and there's some there that are cheaper than what I'm talking about But they don't have the upgraded power supply in them. Okay, these are some this is something I've done with the ones that I have I will part with three of those for 200 bucks a piece. Okay, now out of that 200 bucks I'm going to pay for the shipping and all that. And I can pre-program them before I send it for broadcasting purposes. And if you want to, I got it, I know. If you want to set it, I believe somewhere on our website we have the settings for the Varyngar 9024 on one of the pages. If it doesn't, I'll get it back up. But that's the limiter compressor. Okay, they're kicked butt, man. That's why I refuse to part with them because they work so well. The other thing, we have a drawing coming up on the 19th. Folks, we are trying to raise funds for the micro effect. We are throwing everything at you that we got. Okay? And like I've always said, I've always wanted people to have you make a donation. We want to give you something. We want you to have something. And we're trying here. Okay? So 208-935-0094. We haven't gotten any calls this morning as far as contributions or anything. And I have no idea. You can check the email, see if we get anything off the website. But I'm telling you folks, this is not the time to quit on us. We got a long way to go and what is a short way to get there, a short time to get there? 208-935-0094. The drawing on the 19th is 4A KU-BEN satellite receiver system. That's a system that is free to air. It means there's no monthly fees. There's nothing else to pay. There's nothing, it's all, it's complete. All you have to do, like I say, if you can hook up a DVD player, you can hook this up as well. And point the dish in the right direction and away you go. And you can listen to the micro effect or you can use it to feed your little low power FM station. Okay? And please donate. 208-935. Okay, I got a little massage here. Okay, I'll be up in just a second. 208-935-0094. Does it sound like I have enough to do here? Jeez. Okay, that's all I know. We're at the top here. And we'll close for the hour. God bless the Republic. Yes, to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. And I don't know why, but we're on the Mars night and day. And with our signal growing stronger and more FM and AM micro and CB base stations built across the country, the word will get out. You'll be part of the solution. Well, just complaining about the problem. Yeah, you can complain on the air. We'll be back here on Rock. It is Friday. We got a drawing coming up. We'll talk about that more. We come back to redo the intel report