Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed preparedness, militia organization, and rifle marksmanship on the evening of November 26, 2014. The show covered the 5-10 program (5-man fireteam, 10-man squad organization), affordable optics and scope options from retailers like CDNN Investments, and tactical rifle training principles emphasizing accuracy over volume fire. Callers asked about scope standardization across different rifle platforms, and the hosts discussed World War II optics manufacturing, the Apple Seed rifle training program, and squad-level engagement tactics using tracer rounds for target designation. The episode concluded with commentary on Ferguson riots and references to the miniseries 'Amerrika' as an example of government provocation.
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A million petticoat junction operators The ability to continue to function when everything else is offline. But you are going to have to make that happen. Well Don, it's black out there. It's cloudy. It's gray. It's fuzzy. What's it like in your neck of the woods? What's today today and what's jumping off the wall up there, please? Well, it is the 26th day of November. Year of our Lord 2014. And like you say, it's dark. I think if I stepped outside, I can't see a single star through the window. But I'm pretty certain if I stepped outside I could tell you the same thing. So it's dark outside tonight. Again, cold, dark. It's that time of year, you guys. The 26th day of November. This particular year, that certain number is the day before Thanksgiving. Hurray. So tomorrow's Thanksgiving, the micro effect won't be broadcasting until Monday. Or rather, until Saturday? I think Joe said he had needed two days with computers and he has to turn everything off and run everything back up. So don't panic if you listen in the morning and you didn't hear that announcement because I'm not certain if it was mentioned that it would be a rebroadcast mark. I don't even think that's going to happen. But again, I thought it's not a communications Tuesday. It is a particular day that strike down the middle of the week. So hey, God bless John Moses Browning. 1911 in one hand and with an empty magazine well. Why? There's that magazine on the other hand and introducing the magazines in the magazine well and touching that slide release man. We got one in the chamber. Now that's one hot come. That's a one condition I like my name. But we can tell you there's one in the chamber. Ah, it is weapons Wednesday. There's one in the chamber. Hey, and how does that go? There's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity coercive force as needed for all of our friends out there listening. Remember guys, it is a day when we start to evaluate other resources as we've done earlier in the hour here. You might recall we've talked about where things are going with the technology. One of the things that we touched on was air and black powder. Of course a reminder again, jgsales.com, jgsales.com, jgsales.com. They've got a sale going on right now. I don't know how long it's going to last. It is a Turkish knockoff of the 870 shotgun. It is much more sophisticated all the way around than the Chinese versions that went for about $110 about three years ago. Remember those were available. We tried to give everybody bounce on them. You know, jump on them as quick as you could because they aren't around anymore and there's nothing for that price range. Well, $150 apiece. This is the Link shotgun. It is produced by, brought in by Century and National Arms, or Century Arms International. and it is made in Turkey, pistol grip, solid stock, picatinny rail on the roof where it needs to be right off the bat, five shot plus one in the chamber. and it does have a picatinny rail built into the plastic pump front section of the gun so you can mount a flashlight or whatever laser. It is set ready to go out of the box for $150. That is a good price for a brand new shotgun. It's Turkish. The Turks are prostitutes for us right now to try and get you know bigger war going in the Middle East which is you know the Israelis want to steal something. They bought the Turks as a cheap prostitute. uh... we get the benefit we we have course after taken absorb their products because now the turkey plan red light district right now so that the cool thing is stuff that normally wouldn't come in example was last time you show on the side of these chinese items coming in from that direction would be cheaper from there they should but the chinese don't want to arm up people to plan on shooting about do they and that's really what the program's all about. So, this is the best price to put a 5.10 program in place. Hey, five of these pump shotguns would work just fine. 30 caliber or 50 caliber can of ammo underneath each one of them ready to roll and the combat gear engineered appropriately so that the operators will be able to use that 12 gauge and make it sing as part of your squad. Five shotguns, five individuals equipped top to bottom with a 5.10 program, people. Now, So much stuff going on and we've had covered some, I believe our people are, everybody's got their brain gear going in the right direction. The brain gears are in motion, everybody can see this whole thing is alive, but it is going to escalate. It's going to continue to get worse. The bad guys are playing all the cards they can to destroy the United States. They're at war with us. You need to be prepared to wage war against them effectively. Know that Homeland Security is your enemy and will fully cooperate with the Communists and all of the orders that the Communists give. The alphabet soup agencies are going to follow any order that communist gives. Oh yeah. Make no mistake about it, they are prostitutes across the board, apron-wearing, faggots from, you know, again, the dark side of whatever. And we all know what their little ring-knocking policy is. So they're licking hind end right now even as we speak. Fine. Well, we're going to deal with it from the other direction. Organize, arm, equip, and train as militia. Set up a 5-10 program. Make sure that you initiate this immediately. This includes clothing, combat gear, proper field gear matched up, but still bargain basement. It does not have to be brand new in order for it to work. It's rugged, it's military, it's older, it'll work just fine. Clothing to outfit at least with three to five complete sets of change out. Something that's affordable. OD Green is cheap, fast and easy. Socks, underpants, t-shirts and a weapon and the support systems for the weapon. That's a 5-10 program. 5 is a 5-man fireteam. 10 is a 10-man squad. That should be your focus for all of you. Now, everybody should be voting with their wallet and buying a case of ammo. Buy whatever you can, even if you can't buy a case. Vote with your wallet for what you're seeing in America right now. Buy as much ammunition as you can. Tell everybody and ask anybody, well haven't you bought any ammunition? Didn't you hear what's going on? And that's what I'm telling everybody and I'll tell you the same thing. When you go out tonight and you see somebody, well you did buy some ammunition today, right? What? Well you did buy some ammunition. In fact, that's all I'm giving out for Christmas. That's all you should be giving out for Christmas, our weapons. ammunition and support technology. Hey, this is a chance to get some of those Bud-K knives that you can stick the bad guys with or that Tomahawk to everybody that you know. Seriously, get everybody a Tomahawk. See if you can find a decent cheaper drywall hammer. There you go. What's this for, Tomahawk? Okay. It's your close-up and personal buddy. Please stop screening. That's good. much like that shotgun. Yeah. There you go. Go ahead, color. Hey, it's Russ out in Chilliclan. I need some scopes. I want the same scope on the Alt-6s and the Mosin-Gants and even some of our 22s. And I was hoping you mentioned a Russian scope. The BOSRA scopes have been the most affordable. There were a couple of companies that were carrying those. and give me a second. In fact, I got a couple things I was going to play something here in a moment. Let me see if I can change the directions without losing everything. I think I can. In fact, wait a minute, no, let's do it this way. I'm going to punch something into the chat room here for everybody. www.keepshooting.com That's one, but www.cdnninvestments.com and then the other one is www.copesdistributing.com. Now, the reason I bring those three up is because these guys have sales, and I look at their sales for Friday because that's Black Friday, whatever it is, who cares. It's just that they're going to have some good sales. So, here's the thing. CDN and Investments has in their sales section a number of different scopes. A 9-power flat is what I use on a lot of the basic rifles I've planted in places for years. I used to go through the gun shows. and you could find some really nice top-end 9 power scope. They used to be the standard deer rifle scope for North America. But people were taking them off and they went to variable power scopes. So the thing is that a lot of what I've got is sitting there with about a 9 to 11 power, sometimes a 9 to 11 variable or a 9 to 12 variable. There were a number of different companies. They're coming gone. Some of them were long out of business. that made some beautiful optics. American glass for the lenses, all of them of course precision. That's a simple solution but I could bounce around from different manufacturers. Burris is what I did pick up a lot of. Burris used to really be high end. There are nine power scopes built like a brick doghouse. They just don't see them laying around like you used to. They'll take the recoil really well from the ought 6's and the model. Yes, they were designed for all heavy rifles, putting them on 303's, 30 ought 6's, 8mm Mausers, that kind of thing. But, these, these, I forgive me, did I say? I said burst, didn't I? Well, the Russian star scopes, I'm looking while I'm talking here trying to do three things at once. Well, let me interject. Go right ahead. Look at the ads for Ronnie Barrett's guns. He has what he calls a kit now. Even his bolt gun and the semi-auto gun, he'll sell with a fixed power. I think it's nine power. scope on it. It might be a burris. It might be the other one that starts with a B. But you're listening on the internet, punch in Ronnie, punch in Barrett .50 caliber, and look around at the C-kit. Now, it's around $300 for that scope. Well, see, I've got capitos and rifles out fit. I'm on a fixed income. that are reasonably priced that can handle pretty much what you're looking at. You're looking at trying to get a bunch of rifles scoped up with something. Let me tell you this. I'm sorry Mark. That little Simmons 3-9 power, I had one of those on top of my 50. My Armalite bolt gun. Took it on, put it on. Now that's not good for a scope. Put it on, took it off, put it on, took it off. Putting on other things that in testing for manufacturers saying that, oh, this will live on top of a 50 and testing for these people and testing for those people. And I'd end up putting that Simmons back on. That Simmons lasted almost 360 rounds. And I think it took a beating at Pennsylvania. Just that might've been the thing that broke the final straw. Yeah, but it wasn't even from shooting. So yeah. Okay, now that was a $49 scope I'm sorry to interrupt your mark, but that was $49 and it still is yeah The thing is those are reasonably priced and for all practical purposes in an op 6 All of these scopes are referencing should be able to handle the op 6 308 8 millimeters 762 by 54 are CDNN Yeah, see me and an investment investments CDNN sports is what you go to sports.com They have a catalog section, it's email specials and catalog specials. Okay? Well, in fact, I'm going to go there right now. But they have, for instance, a small stock or in stock scope that's running about $19. Not fancy, very simple. Intermediate scope, it's not going to be for doing super, super long range, but it puts glass on every gun you've got for a pretty reasonable price. Now, I want to standardize the optics so that if they pick up one weapon, they're already familiar with that scope. That's one of the things I argued for years here, the idea when the when the when the barca scopes came in, those are the Russians, barca. They came out with a group purchase. If you bought one it was like $24 but if you bought three they were $19. Well hell you got a good price plus if I was going to buy even for one rifle I'd buy three scopes for that price. because even if they aren't the fanciest scope in the world, if I break it I take it off with the other one on and I'm not out that much. In other words, I have to do some major damage. Now they've got for $17.99, they've got a 4x30 compact scope, it's an Ames sports scope, and that's $17.99, but let's see what its performance spec is. It's got a 1 inch tube, 9 ounces in weight, 3 inch eye relief, compact, 4x magnification, nothing fancy. It's basically what was on the German sniper rifles in World War II. Their theory was to go with an intermediate or lighter duty scope than a lot of countries would think would be the norm. We went with longer glass. If you recall with the 1903 Springfield and the M1D sniper rifles, We went with a lot more amplification, well more magnification, forgive me. So they used their NERDALs, didn't they? The 10 powers? Oh yeah, well they had a wide range of scopes that they worked on the Russian front, on the Eastern and Western front, but they experimented and used everything. And several different companies produced the optics. In each case with the Russian, forgive me with the Germans, with the US, the Ertl was the standard, yes. However, there were a hundred other companies that built 500 of this or 400 of that early on in the war. It's kind of like scopes for the US military in the beginning of World War II to the middle was like fighting knives at the beginning of World War II. Why there's so... most people don't realize how wide a collectability or collection there is, but what the Army did is it went to the optics companies and said, you know, because these were guys that were custom scope builders. I've got all the specs for all their scopes, by the way. I've mentioned this before. I could build a scope from scratch if I was willing to take the time. I've got all of the paperwork that was done back in the 20s and 30s for the scopes of their day and they were designed to be built at home. But they were built by custom scope makers. Well they said, hey how many can you make? Well I only do about 10 a month. And they said, well you better get cranking then. And so what happened is through the entire duration of the war these guys may have built to basic spec. Now all these scopes had to be able to fit the same scope mount. All of these scopes had to have the same basic optics. But each of these scopes could be slightly different based upon the engineering practices of that manufacturer. So they laid down the basic specs and then everybody started going to work, no matter how big or small they were, tooling out scopes. The same thing happened with fighting knives. A friend of mine I talk about, his knife was one of like 600 combat knives. He still has it today. But his knife was one of 600 knives made by a custom gun, forgive me, knife maker in Oregon. The man is considered a classic knife manufacturer. Well at the beginning of World War II they went to all these knife makers, no matter who they were, big or small, one guy that made maybe a handful of knives in a month, and they said, how many knives, can you make knives for us? And they said yes. And he goes, okay fine. They had a spec sheet. And what they said is the knife had to be so long, The knife had to be a certain grade of metal, it had to be a certain temper, they had to use a stacked leather grip system, but beyond that, sky's the limit, whatever you figure works for you, do it. And for that reason, a lot of these knives mostly look like they should be hunting knives. And that's because they were made by men who made hunting knives. But my friend hunted Japanese from the beginning to the end of World War II with that knife. And you would swear it looks so dull, I mean it's not fancy, it's not anywhere near a K-bar. It does not look as nice or as precise as a K-bar. It is more collectible and I don't know what the thing is worth now. So when you see these odd knives at the yard sales and stuff, just a reminder, that's why you want to be careful. Well, that's an old piece of junk. No, that could be one of the last of maybe 700 knives that a man carefully made in World War II in 1942. And most of them went to the bottom of the Pacific or rotted in jungles with the men who carried them and died there. Yeah. And someone would be willing to trade you an m1 for oh yeah, maybe laughing at you when they walked away Oh, yeah, they think they stole they raped you, but you yeah be happy and they'd be happy yeah Yeah, it is the old mark twos are expensive as hell, and we used to use those in the service bendable Yeah, right now. They're worth worth a fourth That's my point, you see. But again, that's why I started talking about optics, in that now we take optics so much for granted and look at where we've gone. You can go and buy, like Dom was saying, right now at the same place at CDNN, just one column down from where they have these in the optics and the sales, well it's in the optics section. On the first page they've got an Amesport 3x9x40. Camel, mill dot, scope with rings, everything ready to go on the gun for $40. That's pretty much all good with that. Yeah, two variations on what you'd want there because they offer it looks like, well, one's a higher mount than the other. And that's, now I would point out, you're probably thinking about putting something on the naga, right? Yeah, we're gonna get the turn bolt kit and all that. Yeah, that's a lot of work. A little idea there, the odd rifle out when it has a straight bolt. is to look at the B-square type mounts and to go with the long Irelief pistol scope and scope that rifle up the way Cooper originally argued for the Scout rifle years ago. That means you're doing any mechanical work and you can find it. There's another company, and forgive me I don't have the name on the end of my mind here, but the B-square designs were picked up by another company. I think it's like O something or U something or whatever. They are designed to be non-tapping mounts. In other words, you take that front slide, or forgive me, the back sight slide rail that your little V notch travels on. That gets taken off your weapon, carefully, save it. And then the new mount goes right into your existing fixture with no tapping, no screwing, no drilling, so you don't change the weapon at all. but it provides the rings that you need, you know, the base that you need and the scope mount for your scope and then you go with a long eye relief pistol or shotgun scope. And they're both the same because the pistol scopes, that's like we said the other day, the idea for a long eye relief shotgun scope came from the pistol scopes to begin with. And so they can handle your recoil. They're handling handgun slides. So your weapon is not going to put the scope through that kind of motion punishment. You see what I mean? Now that's for the naygats. Now most everything else you got unless it's a straight bolt K98 that's a Polish or maybe a Czech and most of the Czechs are turned down. It's the pole model 29 that mostly came into the country over the years and came in from China. Those have a straight side bolt in half of the cases. The checks, the lion's share of those, I'd say maybe 10% have a straight bolt and 90% have a turn bolt. Rest of the Mausers typically have a turn down bolt so they'll already accommodate a scope mount. And you can buy a B-square type mount that will fit in there quite comfortably, but it fastens into the stripper clip guide and into the front fixture using tension. It actually takes advantage of that V-cut for the stripper clip guide in the back. And those work well. They hold up well and minimal everything, but they're a little tougher to find, it appears now. So it's a personal choice thing as far as what you may want to mount any of the other weapons like that. The nagot though, it's just a lot of work to get those turn bolts done and everything. It's easier to go with a modified scope mount with the rear sight. We found some kits for $68. Came with the scope mount and the pre-turn bolt. Oh, okay. All you had to do was just assemble. Now, is that a fair price? Yeah, that's a good price. No, okay, well, if you've still... I haven't seen those in a while, so if you found somebody's got them, I mean, I centerfire had them, but every time I look, they seem to be out. So if you found a place that's got them, check to make sure they've got them in stock. Well, my daughter found them. She bought them and we were trying to get it online for. And as I told her, I want everybody in the clan to have the same scope regardless if it's a 22, the odd 6, the loss in accounts, whatever. Everybody will be familiar with those scopes. I don't want any variety, just one scope. I understand. In fact, if you do that, then I'd be looking, if you can buy it for $17 for one or $28 for one, if you have so many weapons, I guarantee you can get a better case price. Okay. Right now, I've got a probably... Can rifles that need to be scoped right now? Yeah, I understand an accuracy over volume fire because if you notice one of the things that they're they're counting on the idea that that they're dealing with them with a bunch of Muslim 18 year olds who never fired a weapon in their life wearing sandals and They've watched too many action movies and they they've burned a whole magazine out firing it, you know 15 degrees above target missing every shot This is all my kids were changed trained with single shot 22s And when they got those down pat we went to the muzzle loaders. So they know what it's like to make the first shot count. I don't like wasting ammo. These kids were their semautomatics? No. Well, you can use them intelligently. This is where, again, it's like I was saying earlier, think about my quiet rifle. If I had a couple of guys to keep them busy, in other words, think about them as harassers. You know, it's a harassment team. They do what the bad guys think in their mind they expect to see happen. and you spend a little bit of ammunition but while that's happening those quiet heavy guns just keep taking targets down with every bullet and that's where we have to that we have to understand is a combined arms team now if I'm right my own squad again the accuracy first I think about how devastating it would be in fact thank you for bringing this up to because accuracy Guys, Don's a squad leader. Don's got magazines that are loaded with Tracer. Now, that's all that's in that magazine. Don, why would I have that Tracer, that mag full of Tracers? What do I do with that if I'm a squad leader? Can I paint things? To direct fire. Yeah, we're a spotter. Yeah. Now, think about this, because this is what's most critical, and I brought this up earlier. I want to turn one of them into Swiss cheese so bad that he just, and I want to do it now. He ain't gonna go home. Now it's in it and that's how terminal terminal it is for him now Now what's gonna happen? I'm gonna give red dot I'm gonna give red marker mags to three men enough in a 10-man squad Fireteam leader the squad leader and a third man who is a rifleman Now he's still gonna carry a semi auto rifle because I want him to punch so many rounds whoever does this even a full auto would be fine and Here's what we're going to do. Every man in the squad is going to be told to engage when you see the tracers. Now, I'm going to wash a target with tracers three to five rounds. When you see that, every man aim and hit some part of that person's body. If all you can see is a leg, cut his leg off with your out six. I don't care what you do, but I want him down. Now, I am not going to do that a second time. You know who's going to do the next red trace? the fire team leader to the left or the other guy to the right, you designate that. Now why am I going to do that? They'll be watching for that red trace from me because they're figuring I must be g-g-g-gleading the team, which I am. But I've got friends. The next person who can see an obvious or identifiable target that can easily be either directly engaged or that I can hit with ball ammunition through an object, you know, in other words, you're going to have to gauge this. But everybody briefs everybody on how to make this work. Excuse me, the idea behind this is I pick another target and it dies. We don't need to mention like high value targets, you know, things with stars and bars or the two Americans with the hundred Chinese. Yeah, those two Americans die. First. They die. Immediately. And that should be our priority every time is that those Kit Carson Scouts, those Americans willing to work with foreign troops in American soil, they need to be executed. Anybody that works or cooperates with foreign forces in American soil will die and it's summary execution and that should be policy. And I have no kindness nor will I show any mercy to a person like that ever. And I cannot emphasize that enough. If they're willing to do that, they'll rape your children in front of you. They'll murder your wife in front of you. They'll kill you. They'll serve her up to the horde. That's right. And they'll laugh about it while they're swapping spit with a queer Chinese officer in charge, because they're probably a stinking queer themselves. Yep. That's what everybody needs to understand. Now what my point is now the thing is the way we got off but that that's why that rifle is so critical the rifle money sure think about this you've got that out six with a three hunt with a with a standard 30 caliber ball around in it I Paint the target. I've already decided no matter who fires you fire on that point of impact. You can see what it is Everybody fire on that target even if you can only see his boot blow his boot off. If all you can see is the object where I fired, it could be a tree, could be a wall, could be whatever. If you fire on that objective, you're going through whatever's there to the soft, chewy stuff. And that's the objective. The idea is that between 10 men, each time we pull the trigger or engage a target in that method, there will be something dead. Now everybody goes, well Mark, we've got to engage the whole team. Guys, we're looking at a platoon or even if we're just a squad, we're talking about redirecting for an instant all fires. This might be three men standing there, so don't think you're wasting ammunition. Right, because the individual... Just caught unawares. Remember that if you got a squad gunner in front of you, somebody carrying a MAG-58 for instance, if he's carrying a MAG-58 belt-fed Browning machine gun, and that's what's in service right now, it's model what, 258 or whatever, if you fire, you'll probably get his loader on top of him. This is gonna be an assistant gunner. So don't worry, your interlocking crossfires are gonna scissor more than one target. But my point is, psychologically, Every time that happens their lights go out. Look what they did to Mushigu. Yes, and that is what we must have happen every time. Now here's another thing. They argue that it'll take a thousand rounds or ten thousand rounds to put one target down. We are going to demonstrate the American rifleman's ability to completely screw that number up. Our goal in life is to exterminate every one of these new old order pieces of trash from every- with every one of these black uniform knuckle dragon pieces of garbage that'll follow in order for any communist that shows up, you get rid of every last stink in one of them. But to do it, every round counts from the beginning. Now it doesn't mean you don't have, again, like I said, harassment fire, but I've also addressed this. Let me point something out. There's two things that you want to do you want to puff up your enemy psyche you want to get him all pumped up that he's got the he's he's he's the best this next thing to slice white bread now Rex are argued using 22s to draw their fire or to Initially defend yourself because they're gonna get pumped up They're gonna hear that 22 fire and they're gonna think that they've got the ability to protect themselves from that So they're gonna move forward. They may even be willing to expose themselves because they've got the body armor So, using the 22s in even volume fire, they get confident that they can get arrogant. Now, once they start to get arrogant is when the OTS-6s, the 8mm, the Nagots, the 50 calibers, cut loose in a wave and it's not blazing, it's WOOM! Right to target. Like boot to head. That's how you should be thinking constantly. Now, I understand the whole idea of assault and I understand all of these other concepts, but remember, the core element is the precision rifleman. We are Americans. We have more hardware, more technology, more resources at our disposal, more places to train. And you know what? Airsoft, Airsoft, Airsoft. Why? You need every minute of trigger time you can get right now, guys. I am dead cold serious. If all you can afford is one metal airsoft for your family if you have an AR-15, you get a metal airsoft AR-15 that has a limited magazine capacity and is identical to the weapon that you purchased. And in this day and age, I'm going to tell you, by God, the one thing you can buy is any variation on AR-15 that was ever made in airsoft. From the A1 M16 to the Car 15 to all the variations in short barrel, long barrel, medium barrel, any kind of flat top so you can get an exact copy of the weapon that you are training with. And that means you have a hundred percent. You have 24 hours a day with an option to train if you work it out right. Any hour of the day you could train. And you don't spray and pray with that. You should be practicing hit, hit, hit, hit. That's how we need to be thinking about everything we're doing. Now, if I'm going to suppress, you know what? Like I said, those 9mm carbines are awfully convenient because they offer a lighter projectile by weight, and so I can carry three suppression rounds for the price of one, two, two, three rounds in volume and basically in weight. But I'm putting 110 grain bullet down range or 120 grain bullet down range each time and it's barking like a dog. Well that's what a suppression weapon is supposed to do. Volume fire. Now if I can do it in that type of weapon at 200 yards I got more than enough bullet going down range and I don't care what anybody says. If they're yapping about how we can only reach 200 yards then for suppression fire and to draw the aggressor that's sufficient. If I want to, throw a grand or two in there to give some Barkin' Dog big stuff in between everything else. But that draw team is designed to allow you to be able to see your enemies flank. Think about it. How about being able to engage with minimal risk down the entire line of an enemy formation? Look at these pictures of these characters in Pennsylvania. Every time you look at a picture like that, I'm going to challenge you all to something. Think about who would I shoot first or how would I fire on that clock of that cluster screw of idiots? How would I get rid of them? Not oh my god look at him because I'm not really impressed with him in fact a lot of the junk They're carrying out. I take it because I need you know more for my people But it's not necessarily the first stuff. I'd be picking up if I had to go pay my dollars for it You know what I mean, but I take it. It's like you know there was this this debate years ago It was not a debate. It was a discussion with James Wesley rolls Because rolls when he wrote the book Patriots there was a thing that he wrote in there about where he had an ambush and and they ambushed the ambushers eventually and killed everybody that was there. Right? Well, they didn't have any really super great weapons and his argument was, well you wouldn't bother to take him and it's like, no, wrong. You're in a post-industrial environment with regard to manufacturing. You don't know what you're going to get. Any and every weapon that's there goes with you. Because better a bullet wants going down range and you tell a man, fire this thing and hit who you're shooting at and run like hell to the rear. You've got five bullets. I don't expect you to stay here, but I ask you to do one thing. I want, we'll put down the fire to keep them busy. You pick one of those buggers on the other side and you put a bullet in his arse and then you go back to the rear. If that person did that every time with those five rounds, that rifle is more than paid for itself. Hell, the first time it kills somebody or puts a bullet in them and puts them into the wounded category, it's paid for itself. If that's all I've got to work with is a Carcano rifle with no stripper clip and five rounds, I promise that within a week I will have whatever my enemy's carrying and I'll still keep the other four rounds and that Carcano around. The CIA would have you believe, and even the Bush dynasty, would have you believe that it was capable to execute the head of a nation. That's right. Think about it. Go ahead. Get your fundamentals down on your riflemanship. Go to an apple seed, they're everywhere. Get your fundamentals down and shoot like a rifleman. In fact, go ahead, give everybody an update on that and how they can do that. Come on, you know what, we haven't done that in a while and we're assuming things and we can't. There's people out there listening that are new listeners. the Apple Seat Program. What do we do with it and how does it work? Go ahead. Apple Seat Project, just hook that in and have a shoot here next week at the Hill Country Rain. It'll be two days and you know, and then through the country you get your trigger time, you get plenty of time in the afternoon, you can use a .22 or whatever you got and you'll learn sight scanning, you know, it's just... It goes back over and we talk about the difference between practice and training and you know, I've mentioned I had a basic dive card years and years ago and years after that picked up another card. It's always good to go back for more training. That's my point. It's always good to go back for more training if you can. Now, if you go into a class like this and you're displacing somebody new, step back. But if there's a slot in one of these, pick it up. Because you know what, put your hand here or do this, might just tighten up your groups. That's always good. I'm certain we could all agree. Yep, yeah, I learned to use that sling and good trick. The other question I wanted to ask you guys was on the nagat, on the nagat, you were telling the guy about the skull. I thought that was a great idea and put in like, you know, the long eye relief, the concept nagat. Well, that's why I'm saying one of the options would be to carry the, it would be no big deal to carry the the rail with you along with the pin to keep it in service, to put it back in service. Because the way that they built the B-squares, everything was built around, or the idea, the new designs, I don't know if they've changed, I don't think they have. They don't bore anything out, they don't change any dimensions. Now, one of the options there, and this is something that some of the other Aimpoint systems and such already did, is they actually have cast a hasty site into the top of the scope. I don't know if you've seen that yet, but it's a really cool idea in that. We've always talked about, everybody says, well, you're going to generally fire or instinct fire. Well, if you think about it, if you put a V notch and a barley corn, and it's basically what you're going to end up with, but it's a tag front, a dot front, a post front, and a barley corn rear. What you get is just line up the three dots and pull the trigger and you're basically into that silhouette shot for close range. It also could work for intermediate range to at least keep it more on target rather than guestimation down the tube, over the tube. So there are a couple of solutions that would work. Something that I thought I was kind of joking about with somebody today. The picatinny scope mounts for the scope, they fit around the tube, don't they? Right. And they kind of go down and attach the picatinny rail, right? Right. Why not take another set of scope mounts that are kind of cheapy, turn them the other way, take a rail, mount it to that, a cheapy one from like B squared, take a second rail and turn it right on top of the other one and screw them together. Oh. And then you've got an iron optic option that would go right on top of the existing scope. and you do it all with cheap throw away plastic, you know the cheap ones, because who cares? It's not your primary system, but it could be set up so it would operate immediately and it probably wouldn't cost more than $12 for all the parts. Oh, that's good. You see what I mean? Why not just take and do a mirror? See because if you look at the, in fact I'm looking at scope mounts, let me give you an example here. You got rails you can buy for any price you can imagine right now and CDN and Investments are always on their front page. So they have them right here. I just saw it a second ago. You know, it is no more than $14. I mean, $14 would get you an average set. But that set of scope rings, I mean, we don't even need as sophisticated as most of what they're, you know, like some of them have a nesting ring. Some of them have all kind of, you know, there's different lightweight ones. I go an ultra lightweight one and turn it upside down. Take the Picatinny rail, mount that on, put it along as long as you want, and then take and get a shadow copy of that one, flip it over, and affix those two together. And there's your site rail for a set of iron sites, you know, cheap to go to deal extreme, get a pair of the plastic front and rear sites. They cost about $4, and they'll go right on the Picatinny rail, and they even have flop downs, so they wouldn't be standing up all the time. But if you needed it, it'd be there. You understand what I'm talking about. Your other scope ring, your first scope rings go to the rifle and do what they're supposed to do. The second scope rings are front and rear of wherever your original scope rings are. If it's a fairly good size scope, which a lot of them are, the tube has got more enough room for another set, the big thing is finding the rail, and that's not hard because Deal Extreme has batches of these Picatinny rails where they have like a 2 inch, a 4 inch, a 6 inch, two 8 inches, even a 10 inch. And they're all like the total batch of 8 or whatever it is, is like a dollar a piece or less. The more you buy the cheaper, if you buy three of the packs, I think it goes down to like $6.89. So you get 689 times 3. So you got more kits to put together that way. And that would give you a pop up iron. See what I'm thinking about is this. You've seen this before. Guys bring your rifle up and they do an instinct shoot right over the site. Well think with the scope where you've got the weapon in the station. You've got it muzzled down, across the body, but ready to shoot. Or you're prepped to shoot and you're already in tension mode. You're watching for target. Well, rather than taking the time to even lining the scope up or lining your eyes up with the optic device, if you have the iron sight over top of that, you're going to let the stock rest a little lower into the armpit and you're going to bring the sight right up and all you do is line it up and blah, blah, blah. And that's all she wrote because you don't need to. If it's close, close, or again, short range, we'll say out to 50 yards, then you're looking at being able to just post it with the iron sight and keep it into the silhouette, low groin. That's what I would do. I mean even now I mean you can and you can experiment here's the way here's the thing to do to prototype it You buy the cheapy light plastic You grab the cheapest scope you can For on sale that's one of the bigger scopes put it on there soft and experiment with it that way See if you like it if you think it needs to change there's 50 million other scope rings and the scope bounds to choose from Take your pick you know there's there's L is 50 or 100 different scope rings right here at CDN and investments and rails, side mounts and everything else and you could do it with an AK too. The cool thing with the AK is like I said you could take Dons with some of these like tri rails they make for the AK. You could put Dons night vision on a regular optical device and have a hard iron you know site system on there too. and never change anything on the rifle. My problem is it'd probably be getting bulkier as we go. You know, if you've all seen that picture of the AR-15 with every stinking picatinny rail and every device and item that ever has been made. It looks more like a spaceship than they've done. It's the Swiss Army Knife of AR-15s. Yeah, question. I'm trying to figure out where he's at and where you might know who he is and I don't know, working both sides of what he's doing, but he's commander Dan. Where's he located? Right now he's in Ferguson right now and this guy's been on a couple of the talk shows and he was on... from the trend here with Henry? Yeah, he had a video of this guy... Well he's talking about protecting the stores and businesses there. Yeah, but this guy... you know, somebody shows... and on the trenches, they show him... Oh no, no, no, that's not the guy I'm thinking. No, no, there's another one and that's a different person. That's the guy. He's doing a speech in 2012 and I had a problem with the angle of that anyway because it's, you know, I'm going to kill you, I'm going to kill you. You know, I would tell you that I would kill you. I'm going to kill you. We're so tough. We're going to kill you. These guys are going to send that you're so tough. They kill everybody every day. Well, I only have to kill them once and I don't have to kill them for another day. How's that sound? I'm going to tell you something, like I said, the first thing that they do is they have to pump somebody, you have to think that they're bulletproof. Now, anybody who really does have any experience understands that that is not the case. People are not bulletproof. Everybody out there that's bulletproof, raise your hand. Yeah. The fact of the matter is that half of it is bravado and propaganda. It's those other guys! We're Americans. You know what? That's where all these characters came from. And I'll bet you I can put him down on the ground just like anybody else. Now, I will say that what is the difference between special forces more so than anything else? It's not Johnny Jet Jock. It's not this guy with ballooned up muscles or any BS like that. When I served, we had every size of guy you can imagine in special forces and every age bracket too. Okay? And it was the mind. And it was a mindset. It's the attitude that makes the man there. That's the thing 100 men will test today, but only three win the green braid Okay earn the green break. Well the fact the fact of the matter is that of those three it wasn't just that physical testing It's the mechanical and the intelligence processes too. There are specific tests to see how you will respond not react respond And it's mindset. I told you this years ago, I'll bring this up again. When they said that McVey failed the course to go to SF, go into SF school, go get into special forces, he didn't fail. He was most likely to be approached by a special warfare individual or somebody in another organization because it's the idea that no matter how much pain he was in, he made a mistake because he changed equipment out thinking he was improving his position because he did not have effective counseling on that issue. So he changed his boots out. No matter how much pain he was in, he did finish the course. And that's what they're looking for. It's the idea, was he in pain? Yes. Were his feet bleeding? Yes. Did he continue the mission? Hell yes. That's what you're looking for, is that mindset. That's the difference. Nobody's bulletproof, but it's attitude. When all of you start to embrace that attitude, you'll find that, yeah, they're cool, but you know what? Ain't nobody out there we can't beat. They're really cool. I think it's fantastic. I hope they're on our side, but if they're not on our side, I'm going to shoot them just like anybody else. And you know what? They're as predictable as anybody else. Let me ask you, I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I do. I was talking about earlier about this technique for engagement. Let me ask you something. How long do you think, you know, everybody loves Black Hawk down. Now let me ask you guys something if there had just been 10 men with scope rifles that really knew what they were doing when those you those US units were out there How many of those men would have come back alive? Instead of everybody blazing and spraying because you see how everybody was acting there what they were doing They were conditioned to a certain mindset But what if all of a sudden you had had one master of rifles who had said I want you to pick one that you see and I want all ten of you to fire on that one man What if somebody had said just like we're talking about? Well, you see my tracers every man fires now. Did you see how many men were running along there hunting those people? Can you imagine if he fired five tracers at a target and 800 men had fired on one person? Yeah, instead of a band trying to engage 200 men What if 800 men had said see that guy in that truck? He's dead right now, isn't he? There isn't a possibility in the world. He would have survived Just think about that and if they've done that how long before there have been none to shoot at? That's right. I have a friend that I try to make. He was in Somalia and I think he's one of the ones that came up. They were 200 yards. One of those big Russian. Right, yeah, the Tashica 12.5 or 12.7. Yeah, the big gun and I mean this guy, they're They're just, you know, outside of 200 yards and they're waving this gun. And they're waving that gun pointing at them and making all kinds of... The sergeant gets down and he gets out of the city, he keeps fidgeting, and he keeps, you know, messing around and this guy's a friend of mine. And this officer, what are you waiting for? What happened to your shot yet? You know, I'm not a mess. This guy has shot all his life, done the Olympic training, ordered the cavalry to give him money. He was getting the guy right in the neck. The guy in the truck... and he sees what's happened and takes off. Next thing you know, from the rest of the time he's there, whenever they saw his column coming, they stay way out of range. Exactly. Ed, I hate to do this to you. Ed, can you turn the music down? We're going to hold for just a minute more. I want to play something. I've been waiting this time and I didn't want to run you off. Guys, everybody hold for a second here. I want you to listen to something. And the reason I want you to listen to it is because it is totally relevant to what we're hearing, what we're seeing right now in Ferguson. And I'll test you. Let's see who recognizes where this is from. But this is something that's been around a while. Anyway, listen up here. The quotas you're still demanding. No, you're still having problems. You're young people attacking the symbols of power that they can see. There are resistant ways that make them feel good. Not those that actually accomplish anything. The control provocation. Now they can stir them up so that we can let them release their concentrations. At the same time, we can track them, become a scared, or rest some. We'd better get rid of the occupation and maybe we can prove we can function and not be a fool. Did that sound like Ferguson in the background? Conversation sounded like... Yeah. Does everybody know where that came from? Do you recognize it? What was that, Mark? Well guys, that's from America with a K. I'm sorry, this blasted machine does not want to act right for me half the time. That just happens. So I had to listen to a little bit of the riot chatter that was going on when the police state was moving in. But for everybody out there, again, make this a soundbite. Share it. In fact, I shared it on all the social media today a couple of times. If you go to YouTube, go to America. That's America with a K instead of a C. A-M-E-R-I-K-A. This is the miniseries. It was only shown once in the United States and locked away. I challenge you again when you watch. Of course, what it even has, the scenes beforehand, shows how they're doing the rabble rousing and how they in fact pumped everybody up to get the ball rolling. and how, gee, the characters were on the payroll because a little riot is good for the police state. Oh, speaking of getting the ball rolling and rioting, did you notice the father of the Brown fellow there asking for peace and all of this until the verdict came down or the decision came down? Did you see him right there in front of a Camry yell, how come they haven't charged him with inciting a riot? And again, guys, the whole aspect of what's going on here and how, like I said, they're trying to play us. Well, we understand that the same piece of trash is playing both. It's like I've said for years. You've got these two tentacles and they go back to the same stinking, rotten, molting corpse. The same thing we saw with all the rest of the Demacons and Republics scam. Hey guys. Anyway, go ahead, jump in their car. It's starting to come out, guys. Very good. We're speaking to the black people, the white people, the Hispanic people out there, all of you. Because they're still going to have to try this. But now it's going to be, well, all your chicanery to eat up our resources.
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