Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed winter survival skills, camouflage and concealment tactics for field operations, and night vision technology. The hosts emphasized the importance of outdoor survival training in cold weather conditions, detailed proper camouflage techniques using nets and screens to defeat thermal and night vision detection, and reviewed Don's inventory of first and second generation night vision devices and thermal imaging equipment. The show was interrupted by technical difficulties with the conference line. In the second segment, Koernke criticized federal agencies (FBI, Homeland Security, FEMA) for their actions during Hurricane Katrina and current civil unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, arguing that government creates chaos to justify confiscation of firearms and property seizure.
VIP membership is radio with benefits. Oh yeah! Your favorite music from around the world right at your fingertips. Exclusive content, unlimited commercial free access. Try it risk free. That's free for five days at Live365.com slash VIP. Live 365. the revolution. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com. MaineMilitary.com has a large selection of pistols and rifles suited for your needs. Are your local stores sold out of ammunition? Call or visit them today for prices on hard to find ammo and bulk ammo orders. You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because MaineMilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at MaineMilitary.com. That's Maine like the state Military.com. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat and, speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now his parents trampled each God-given right. We only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave to steal the land of the free? Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the... First hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Hernke. And I'm Don Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters. Both on and behind the lines in occupied territory. West, Southwest, East, and North. 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What little we might have in the way of heat might be kept, though there ain't much out there, kids. Don, what's it like in your neck of the woods? What's the day today? Let's jump on off the wall up there please. Well, it is the 18th day of November and it shows when you look outside. I can say that there have been times this time of year sitting in the loft, the hay loft of the barn across the street in the t-shirt waiting for the big 38 pointer to walk in front of the big gun to put a smile on Don's face. If he was out there in a t-shirt right now, he'd be a popsicle in a little while. The hunters have talked about wish there's snow on opening day for years, so it's not something unusual. This being the 18th day, there's snow on the ground in Michigan. Hey, the guys with the snowmobiles are going to be really happy here in just a couple more days because they'll have what they call a good base. building a good base on all of the ski resorts around Michigan. Winter is here and they call it a wonderland for a reason, I guess, Mark. I just am not that impressed with winter anymore. It's the winter wonderland. It's Michigan. It's happening so you have to work accordingly. Winter is showing up and you have stuff that still has to be done before the season closes in the rest of the way. So just keep chugging away at it and get accomplished what you can. What you're doing, well well, you have to live with it for 90 days until we get into the next season. It's counting the days down from that point forward to the next spring. Yeah, you know we've run that challenge and it's not so much can you live up to this yardstick because it comes to a measure of war. But plenty of deer hunters are going to go out there you know before the sun is up and they're going to follow their footprints in the snow where they're going to go over to their hunting blind of choice for the day depending on which way the wind blows and depending on where they saw the deer last and all of those other choices and they might go to their third blind. They're there before sunrise and they might have a thermos of coffee with them. Some of these guys got these little heaters. It lights a wick inside a tin and you can put it inside your coat or your hands, your muffler thing and hope you don't burst into flames. About 11 30, 11, 11 o'clock, they're back in the house. They're enjoying a warm meal. There's a contract mark. We've done this almost every year. Some of you might recognize this. where we're going. There's a contract between the deer and the hunters that nothing's going to happen between 11 and 2 o'clock. So the deer hunter goes back out and he sits in the blind for the rest of the day until he can't see anymore and then he finds his way home. Now that's all well and good and that's portion of ambush because not a whole lot of deer hunters stalk deer. They don't walk through their day. hunting like that. That's more like stalking, you know. They sit and wait in ambush. Here's the point. How many deer hunters sit in that blind all day ignoring that hot lunch? Because, well, they're on a mission. You know, they're there to kill a deer and it might be the, I did see that biggest deer I've ever seen in my life and they might be driven for it. And there's reasons why. carry on this conversation because a man can be driven to sit in the field for a week. But by that time, the clothes he's wearing are kind of falling off of him and they're not giving him all of the thermal protection that they could if they were clean. You know Mark, we've talked about this. If you don't cycle clothes out, they literally wear off and fall off of you. They do. But I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here. Because you guys, and I do this myself, I'll go out and sit in the morning and I'll go out and sit in the evening. On occasion I'll go out and sit all day just to push myself. Those are challenges I've done for myself already, but I encourage you to do this. But the big challenge here, could you spend a week outside in this weather, even in one of your favorite most buttoned up windproof deer blinds? let alone to get out and do a little stalking because well, you know, if you're just staying that deer blind all of that time, it could get rather unpleasant. Not to mention you could get really hungry and thirsty. So there are going to be other things you're going to want to do, but you know, without going back to home, without moving to that box to your rear, you know, without invoking the supply train, Ken, could you stay in your blind for a week? Now let's stretch that out because there's dedication there. I want that deer. And you might bring that deer home with that kind of dedication. But the dedication that is going to work for a nation might require you to be outside all winter long. In fact, worst case scenario, chalk this up, write this down on the chalkboard, move out the sandbox, find a pencil and paper so you can write this down and commit it to your memory too because count on it. If you look for the worst and prepare for it, then you're ready for it. But you know, scripture even says, Mark, pray your flight does not happen in the winter. It even gets more narrow or on a Sabbath. But now this is that's flight and the other side of that the other side of that same coin, I'm not going to run away. That's flight, isn't it? Pray your flight doesn't happen in the winter. But we're built to handle that in different ways also. Either we run away from the threat or we stand and confront it. These are basic truisms, aren't they? With that in mind, look outside. I see the national weather maps. A lot of the places, the same as Michigan, a lot of you guys are living through the same thing I see right outside my window, the same thing I trudge when I go down the road or whatever. Could you spend the winter there? It might be required of you. Just a thought, Mark. We mix that hunting and we mix. You've heard that if you've been listening for years, you've heard that question posed on this hour before. And that's the first time this season that it's not dramatic. It's not trying to sit you on the edge of your seat, but some of you shiver at the thought, don't you? Literally. There are a lot of things you could learn to do outside that we do in the comfort of our home. I don't need to say a whole lot more, do I? But these are skills. Let's be a little bit more specific and let's talk about what the bear does in the woods. Okay, we've talked about that enough, right? But could you do that outside 20 degrees? It's around 20 degrees here in Michigan, middle of Michigan right now. In fact, it's 19 degrees according to the weatherman right there on the idiot box in front of me. So around 20 degrees wasn't bad, but could you go out into the woods and take care of the same things that the bear does in the woods just so it doesn't get real unpleasant in the deer blind? These are skill sets that A lot of people are going to need and perhaps never have tried to explore. And that might not be the right word to put there, but you know, we're exploring wintertime survival with this thought line, aren't we? I could elaborate on this. And we've done this, hey, for a number of seasons now in a number of different ways, but you just heard it in that form and that becomes a person. There are some people who come up here and camp in the wintertime. I'm not a fan of that. But again, it goes over to personal challenge and personal choice and how far do you want to push yourself. Mark, I yield to you, sir. One of the things to remember is screens and deflection points, also reflectors. If you're going to be in an area, we need to camouflage or be able to laterally camouflage, not just from overhead, but remember, looking through an area horizontally. Setting up shields and wind buffers, especially a subject you brought up here with train work, doesn't have to be all that sophisticated, but it would be a good idea to think ahead. Any of you guys who have been in the military know that somebody usually designates a spot and preferably with a log or something nearby because you don't have an outhouse with a hole there, kids. That would even be sophisticated by comparison. But part of your kit is camouflage and concealment roll-ups and screens that are anywhere from 4 to 5 to 6 feet tall. And their purpose is to be used to eliminate the observation of motion. Now the important thing is the camouflage blend in with, and that's why you have basically a background sheet that can be nylon, ponchos, or whatever you got that's available. Then beyond that or laying over that is a camouflage net. Now you may vary as far as how you set that up. You can pitch it to the top of the poncho line, but pitch it on an angle so it's out and away from the base of the poncho slash the physical screen. The reason for that is to create a three-dimensional effect. It doesn't have to be that way. In fact, a lot of guys, what they do is they literally stitch the camouflage net right over the used or tired ponchos, use older ones for this, and then roll them up so that they're quickly deployed when the time comes and they're quickly rolled right back up when they're not in use. Very simple and straightforward. But remember, look outside. We've talked about this too. You know, the desert camouflage. camouflage nets, they make them, you know, they're cut in different heights and they're cut in different heights for reasons, guys. Well, that's a really narrow camo net. Well, that was designed to be a horizontal, you know, deflection point to break up a track, to become a sidewall, okay? Then there are others that are for overhead cover and, of course, provide roundabout cover in general. So, the idea is to watch for these little goodies, green or tan, slash earth brown, whatever, and incorporate them into the system. Light weight, light duty, easy to use. A lot of the stuff that came in years ago was Brit. That was the first of the desert camo nets that showed up. There's some American out there, etc. But take a look. We have the corn thatch and we're going to pretty well have the grass going over to the ultra brown and savannah tan. Whatever is left in the way of green is getting bleached out, slash leached out right now. We are on the edge of the last of the fall, headed into the winter. So the greens and the light greens are going to be pretty well fading away in favor of the browns, the grays, and again the savannah tan. something to think about when you have to engineer technology accordingly. And we have both in service, by the way. We've got both available. I've got some really interesting check. It's actually felt camouflage. Pretty durable. I think it's the same material they make, actually, the chem suit filtering material out of. It's the same material, just colored. But it wears incredibly well in the field. and can stay out for extended periods of time with very durable effect and the colors into the environment actually fades into the environment progressively. So there's another consideration is fading and adding burlap and things of that nature. You're literally creating a little bit of a thinner version of a ghillie suit to break up and to disrupt color. That's another part of the program. This is also true if you are going to set up any kind of bivouac out in the field, guys. Step back and look at your sight. Do the colors blend in? A lot of guys have OD green. Of course, they've got black. Black doesn't make it for much of anything. Lone green, even OD green, is better than black. But you want to try and break it up with lighter, darker colors so that there's no fixed, square, or octagonal silhouette. That's where the camouflage net's coming again. and they can deflect and break up the image through a woods, through a tree line, you're not going to be setting up your tents out in the middle of the field, right? This is true. Yeah. So you're going to be breaking it up with tree cover to begin with. Now if they're so close that they're right up on top of you, you can do a better job of camouflaging but there's a point at which you're going to either beat feet or you're going to fire them up. If you've done things right and you're patient I've lived this. You can have people walk right by you in the woods. Oh yeah. So you could like, you know, in the movies, flip them a quarter, thank you for the paper young man. That close. And they just walk right by. So again, it comes over to what you're willing to, you know, put on the table, how patient you are, how good you are at concealment, as Mark is pointing out. But it can come so close you guys that literally people walk right by. You know, double in arm's length, triple in arm's length away. If they fell down and stumbled and slid a little bit, they'd look up at the face. You know what I mean? That close. I've been there. So it's not, camouflage can be really, really handy. Oh, I'm sorry, I interrupted you, Mark. One of the other things to look at, again, we've talked about this and of course, Don's, this is Don's niche with regard to night vision technology. Remember that a breakup in the silhouette, especially using a camouflage net with a screen like we're talking about, can dramatically damage the observation capability of night vision through an area like that, especially a wood line or a tree line where you've got deep woods. So this is another reason to break up and create screening. It's just part of the many different tools that are used. If they go to thermal, thermal is up and down depending upon what you do screen wise or how you take cover. Remember you want to put solid heavy objects. If all else, just put whatever you can in the way of trees and dirt between you and what you suspect as thermal technology. Earth, dirt and junk breaks up your silhouette. And there's a lot more than just you out in the woods. Even right now, you know, we're moving Bambi all over the Michigan State right now. Oh yeah. With everybody out in the woods, the deer are not using their regular paths. I just had three here last night. Within where I'm sitting right now, they were no more than, well, it's literally what, 35 feet. Okay, 40 feet from where I'm sitting straight out front of my window here. and they were hunkered down there because it was a good spot where nobody's going to come in, edge of the cornfield, nobody's out here on our end going to harvest Bambi right now. I don't want to do that. I want him to be comfortable. That way when I need him later I've got him. But they're also crossing the roads and they're popping out in odd places, which is another reason we also remind you to be careful anyway. But remember that that silhouette, that knife, at whatever temperatures they're operating at, how many thousands, oh wait a minute, hundreds of thousands of deer are out there. In addition to that, porcupines, in addition to that raccoons, in addition to that possum, I mean go right down the shopping list kids. Even with, under the assumption you must be the only hot object out there, that isn't going to be the case. So the first rule is don't stand there and try to look like a human being. Get down. Okay, take cover. Put that big 3 foot tree between you and whatever you suspect is out there. Same with above, remember. The Taliban and all these people it's like well if we believe all the BS about how its feudal resist the warship went over nine years ago, right? Instead we got this forever BS war going on overseas. Well, guess what? We don't seem to be able to see through rocks and dirt because there's whole operations where whole special warfare units have been wiped out and they didn't know that none of them by the Taliban were there at all. Now how is that? Because they were using both thermal and night vision. In fact, don't you think Uncle Samuel's buying top-end night vision? Bet you they are. And yet, when the time came, because, well, your life depends upon it, apparently those fighters not only were able to stay out of the line of sight, but when the time comes, were able to effectively employ their weapons and wipe a unit out. In the winter time, you guys, something as simple as, and you might not believe it, Oh, you ever make a snowman? You ever make a snow fort out of the rolled up snow big balls that you would make a snowman with? Just roll them up in like seven of them in a line and then roll up a bunch more and put them on top of that? That is a thermal barrier in the winter time. You can, as long as you do not show yourself, hide behind that. to the stuff that's flying around in the helicopter. Now, Mark, you pointed out many times, it's kind of easy to hide from one helicopter behind an object. You know, you pay attention and you listen and if you have to look, you show him a sliver. You don't wave your hand around and put your hand above your head and lean out your shoulder and all kinds of human things. But as you move around the tree or, you know, underneath the cover of pines, another thing that needs to be mentioned You guys, the more material you get between you and that sensor, the less odd. It's as simple as one of the biggest things they've used at the beginning of Desert Dust 1, as far as what we have the battlefield mastered, was to show a helicopter approaching a set of triple A guns, anti-aircraft artillery, and the stuff isn't lighting up. They're just flying towards it and you see the ground, you see the desert, and you see the guns as black because with different sensors you can change the heat to white or black. The guns are warmer so they're black and they would have flown right past those gun positions had not that poor Iraqi, well again, he did not employ a whole lot of that battlefield computer. because apparently his head some malfunctions he ran from behind that shield at the gun and Made himself a target and they lit him up with a 20 or the 40 millimeter cannons underneath the nose of that Huey or rather that Apache or you know that longbow that just Made him go away But that's just an example. That squadron of aircraft, that wing, that double flight at least, would have flown right by that group of guns had that man just maintained a bit more calm. He might have been here to tell his grandsons about it. Or he might have been an ISIS fighter today, who knows. At any rate, we saw his end. But again, even just a small wall of snow, the horizontal netting that Mark mentioned, you guys, if you look at a human that's the other side of that with a piece of thermal, All you're going to see are flecks of heat. You're going to see that there might be something big there. It might be a deer, depending on how the person is oriented. If you head or feet towards that, it might look like that's a raccoon back there. It might be a big raccoon, but that's a raccoon. You see just little dots and flecks of what's being and covered up from the motion of the camouflage netting, just from the wind or just from hanging there. Now if it's not moving, he might get a little bit more at ease in trying to discern or find out what he is looking at might be because your mind, we've talked about this too, sometimes you look at parts of something and your mind can fill in the rest. This is how when you're looking at the woods, and you just happen to look at a particular group of branches and whatnot. There's a face there. Or you're looking at a tree and all the bark and there's a face in the tree because your mind fills in what isn't there. That's a simple example of it. What Mark pointed out a little while ago is, you guys, in the night vision video, this is an example, you can have really lousy camouflage in the daylight. deployed into the proper places at night, that green screen might see something but it might not get enough information because it will, by the image in its field of view. If you have shadows there, you might not get a whole lot of information out of the shadows. Again, there are a number of different, we're looking at deceiving green screen, we're looking at deceiving thermal, and there's a number of ways to get past it. If you can make them scratch their head and wonder what they're looking at, you're doing your job at the very least. If you can make them glance in your direction and gather no information so they continue on their path, now they're getting really good at it. One of the things, too, again, we've got to remind everybody is daylight nighttime operations, guys, the change out. with regard to everything from sound to light discipline. You know we haven't touched on this. Light discipline even during the day is a consideration and I think we have to remind everyone glass and reflective surfaces. You've already seen this in all the variations on watching what's going on over in the Middle East. Dust covers for, oh wait a minute, cloth covers for the goggles on the helmets. Now guys, why are they doing that? to eliminate that reflective surface because everybody just loves to look cool and put the goggles up there on the helmet. Remember? That's been a tread head thing for years by the way. You've got to have your goggles either down on your neck, either put them down on your neck or you put them up on the helmet and stretch out the band because the elastic is not that great. So then when you try to wear them you've got to tighten up the band and then you put it up there again and you stretch out even more and after a little while it doesn't work anymore. But that's a side bar. Anyway. Then they hang around your neck a lot. Yeah, and they hang around your neck better. Exactly. Well, the fact of the matter is that daylight and nighttime, light discipline and sound discipline are also a critical component. And that's what we've talked about with the night vision and the idea of the system now pushing white screen into the private market, which I don't see any logic in. I'm sorry, I still had a discussion on this today about noon with somebody. It's like, well, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I'm sorry. I understand how they could try to claim, but it still comes down to the old story, back pressure from behind the scenes with the government. So, whatever the problem, we have to again address it even if we have green screen. Guys, you can still light yourself up by not paying attention and not using your equipment the way you're supposed to. And Dom, that's where we get into the whole idea of looking at outside. It's already getting dark out there, isn't it? Night vision is probably really handy as part of the things that should be in the golf club bag. You've got different clubs and different pieces of equipment tools in the toolbox for certain parts of that 24-hour clock. Don, you have night vision technology. We're at the bottom of the hour here, by the way. So what do you have available? What are the changes coming up that we were talking about? And how can we get home with you, sir? Go ahead. Well, we've got that first generation gun sight. I don't have any green screen viewer in first generation right now. We're looking at patching, so to speak, that problem. Let's see what we can come up with there. It might not be too far in the distant future. I've got a green screen, real night vision first generation gun sight. It's .308 capable. We've talked about, we bragged about this. We're not supposed to brag. talk to this device. It will live on top of your M1, it will live on top of your AR10, and your mailbox for $390. Now, I've got a 6 power, I still don't have a price on it, and there are less of them than the 4 power. It's a little bit flip to what we talk about in the basic functions, but 4 power in your mailbox for $390. It will come with a detachable illuminator. It will come with everything the manufacturer is going to put in the box if you bought it from them. And paid, well, most of like $60 more and then paid them for delivery too. Now, if you want to talk about that device, that's again entry level, but it's a gun sight. You know, you don't have to put a gun sight on a gun just to hold it up and use it as a viewer. It would be good to have something dual purpose. To the extent it would be good on a counter to that, if you're not going to have it on the gun all the time, it would be good to mount it on the gun, bring it to zero, and then not have that gun too far away or the gun sight too far away from that if you choose to take it off and simply use it as a viewer. But again, the right tool for the right job and if you're going to put a gun sight on a gun, The manufacturer has done surveys to customers and found that for the entry level stuff to keep the price low they don't send it out with a hard case anymore, a Pelican case. They used to send it out with, I think it was a Pelican case, even the brand name, you could bury it. But most people take their gun sights out of the case, put it on the gun and that's where it stays. So with that in mind that's why I don't get a hard case with the first generation stuff anymore. Now, again, everything the manufacturer is going to put in the box, if he were to sell it to you, you're going to get from me, if you purchase from me, at a considerably less price. I like seeing that. My phone number is 231-796. Second generation gun sight or a viewer. I have a viewer $980 right in your mailbox. It's very consistent in its performance. This is one of the things I can brag about this viewer. Every one of them that's gone through my hand is just as good as the last one and they are all, well, impressive. I've got a gun sight in the same category. Second generation 2 power. The viewer is 2.8. The gun sight is 2 power. Again, with the capabilities of the first generation device, it'll live on top of your M1, your AR-10. with a detachable illuminator, which is a good thing. You could forward deploy the illuminator. We've addressed a number of tricks that can be done with a detachable illuminator. Set in your mailbox for $1,240.00, right in your mailbox. The viewer, $980.00 right in your mailbox. Now these are both second generation devices and there is a jump up in price. But I would remind you the biggest step up in performance is from first to second generation. Beyond that, It's beyond my control. If you want to talk about thermal, I've got a handheld device right in your mailbox for $1890 right in your mailbox. Just a year or two years ago, people would laugh. That's impossible. You can't do that. You're lying. Well, it's true. Right in your mailbox, a handheld piece of thermal, hey, it'll fit in your popcorn pocket or your BDUs. It's 2, 3, 1, 7, 9, 6, 5, 8, again, 2, 3, 1, 9, 6. Now, you have to understand, and while we're on this subject, it's not a weapons Wednesday, but we can talk about tactics most any time, can't we? If you're up against just land pirates, they might have a piece of night vision, they might not. If they've been doing it for a while, they might have acquired it from someone in the daylight or in the dark. But that's a might, you know, maybe, maybe not. If we look at worst case scenario, they've probably got it. We try to adjust ourselves to that, you know. We can deal with this, we can deal with this, and what's the worst case scenario? And then we try to adjust to deal with that, right? Now, if you're going to go up against anything military, count on it having night vision at night. It will be at least second generation. Although I can't confirm that because, well, Years ago, the Russians built a first-generation factory for the Chinese. And we haven't seen them exporting any of it, Mark. You can probably count on the Chinese soldier having at least a first-generation viewer, if not a first-generation gun sight. Because again, you know, in war time, if someone points a gun at you while they're looking at you with their piece of night vision nets, It might not be as much acceptable because you're probably going to want to shoot back if you see someone bringing a gun up to point at you. But in peacetime, it would be a little more civil not to point a gun at someone, at night simply to view them. We've addressed this, but at night if you're doing it right, they're not going to see you doing it anyway, right? I mean, as you point out, Mark, you're not going to pitch your tent in the middle of the field. And you're not going to, if you're moving through an area, you're not going to generally move right down the middle of the road, are you? Where someone might even in the dark hear you coming or see your profile, depending on the light level. or the other trick is depending on where their head is in relation to the ground, how high their head is above the ground, even at night at short ranges, you guys without night vision, you can use the sky to profile an opponent if you're really low. Now they're going to be kind of close. So again, there's a cautionary there that's most primitive and we've addressed this, we've brought that thought to the hour before. If need be, if all else fails, use the darkness to your advantage even in that most base way. But when your opponent is that close and you can make one or two or four or a group that literally walks by you in the dark, when you're looking at small numbers like that and you don't have the ability to look beyond that, it becomes a question of how big is the group around you. So do you just want to stay put and let the whole thing walk by? Let the herd walk by, so to speak. So again, that only demonstrates, and we've talked many times on this hour, and let's go, let's shift over to daylight because this is a more common experience. If I'm sitting in the right place, or I've got eyes, other people looking in this direction, we've talked many times about the team that can look in more than one direction, so let's elaborate on that. If the team is in the right place, we're looking in all directions, aren't we? And if someone says, hey, y'all, look at that, and like seven miles out, just for a glimpse behind a group, and just because of the way the land lays, you see three or four trucks and there's enough of them coming that when someone says, look there, you still see the last of them as he directs you to exactly where to look like seven miles away, because you've got the optics. Now, you've determined kind of the direction they're going, right? That's key in determining if you want to engage or if they are determined to engage you. We've addressed this many times, haven't we? The ability to see your opponent before he sees you is half of the battle. Now, it might be half of the survival too because, well, we do not want to engage that big, big group, do we? But if we move over here, if you know the lay of the land and let's just play with this thought line for a moment, we might be able to engage some of their scouts on the outside fringes of the hull of the moon, of that which we do not want to engage. See how that works? But the cautionary there is sometimes you light up a bunch of scouts and they want to know what happened to their boys and they send more. So it just depends on how many they send. Do you want to stay around and engage the rescue party or do you want to exit states left? And that could be north, south, east, or west. It doesn't necessarily have to be left. But again, the ability to see your opponent. Now let's go back to that. You see them seven miles away. You see the direction they're going. Because you know the lay of the land and because they're in a convoy, they're just not going to go driving off through the woods, right? So they're going to have to stick to the roads. You know the next place they're going to be on the road and you start looking for that. Not to mention as the tail in Charlie disappeared, you looked at your watch, didn't you? Right to the second, didn't you? To the minute and to the second. And you know how far it is from that peak you've seen to that other peak. And when you see the tail in Charlie disappear again, you look at your watch, don't you? Now you give all of those numbers that you've just gathered over there to the mathematical genius and it doesn't take a genius to figure these things out. How long did it take them to cover that given amount of space, distance? Now you know how fast they're going. Now you know if you can outrun them or if they can outrun you if you are trying to overtake them or trying to outrun them. Perhaps. But that doesn't mean they're making full steam, does it? That doesn't mean they're, you know, dropped everything and running toward you as fast as they can, does it? So again, there's a lot to be learned. But the farther away you can see your opponent, the more time you have to deal with him, the more time you have to prepare for him in that instant. Not that you're already prepared to deal with the day, because if you're not, you shouldn't even be listening to this. Okay? You guys, We've gone from using the night sky for immediate threat detection to let's see as far away as we can in the daytime. Those are the two extremes of it, but again, every one of them could be valuable. The farther you can see your opponent, the sooner you can determine his direction and his abilities, the faster you can make decisions on whether you want to deal with him or whether you want him to go by. Now, letting your opponent go by you guys doesn't simply mean that he goes off into the twilight zone and he's never seen again. Because today is, well it is a communications Tuesday isn't it? And if you let your opponent go by, you want to let everybody else in the area he's going, you want to let them know, hey, there's like 1200 coming your way. And you could say that in so many different ways. It's like, hey, Remember thermopoly times four. That's so plain. Any study of history is going to put that 300 number on there times four, 1200. And they're going to recognize you're talking about their group of 1200, right? But again, anything you can gather about the other side, even if you choose not to engage, if you choose to... Don, can you hear me? Uh oh. What about Mark? Do we have Mark there? Okay, looks like we're having a little technical problem. I'm gonna play some music for a quick break. Hopefully we'll get everything running again here real quick. And we are back. Interesting. We have the entire conference line from at least our connection here trying to get back. to the conference line completely offline. Well it's funny because hopefully we have Don back with us he might have hooked back. There we go. Can you hear me dad? One two three? What's going on here? There we go. Can you hear me now? One two three. Can you hear me? Yeah I can hear you. Okay I don't know what happened it still shows you as being on the conference line in the other spot but you're reconnected so I see you in two places now. Well I've got the music in the background Ed. cut that out. It's only going to the conference line right now. I always play the music while I try to reconnect you guys. I called Don and let him know what's going on. He had static on his line but it might not have been his line. It could have just been the conference system. No, that's the conference because I just recalled several times and we did not even register. Okay, well I left Don a message. I told him if he had to go do anything, just go do it because I didn't know when we would be back up. Right, we're headed down. Right, we know, it's intentional. We're talking on the air. We're confirming. That's okay. Appreciate it, Colin. What's interesting is we've had all kinds of unique issues going on, especially where the bad guys are getting close to trying to whip up whatever they're going to do down there in Missouri. I think we're hitting the nail right on the head because we're not panicking about it. We're not doing the, oh my God, we need a big government. No, just the reverse. Big government is the one doing it. Big government is creating the protesters. Big government is winning in the wings. Just like the protesters will run down the street and then turn sideways and go burn up some houses, burn up some businesses, then government will come down the street from the other end and kick in the doors and confiscate the guns like you did for Trina. Everybody in the desk going here and saying, yeah, I'm different here. They're not going to do anything. It'll be amazing not to have professional courtesy of those protesters who just fade away. and then government will be out there on the street and since Homeland Security and FEMA only consider waging war against America, the only people they'll have left to attack will be the property owners. And they'll have to beat on the doors and check to see if everybody's safe and search your home and take your guns, because it's what they do. Everybody understand that? Especially, remember, the FBI, oh let's see, those skanks, what are they good for? Well, burning churches and stealing from America. That's all they're good for. So they're not there to help you, they hate the property owner, they hate people who work for a living, they don't. And they're going to continue to pee in America's face because they love it when a communist is in power. Then they go ape crazy. Don't think so? Waco! So, you know, Republic rats, oh, I will remember this, Katrina was done with a Republic rat in charge. Now you got a demican who last year tried to confiscate all the guns in America. Couldn't quite get away with it, so he's still trying to plug the scam in while he's pickle-smoking and mirroring everybody else and running the illegals into the country to create an invading army from another direction. But we're not supposed to figure that out, are we? Mmm, right? oh by the way again real quick for our friends in the chat room you probably noticed us Ukraine admits its gold is gone there is almost no gold left in the central bank vault why as soon as the new regime got in there they headed west with the gold yeah yeah there's the gold is not important remember that guys gold is not important but It's the first thing that all these pig bankers steal, isn't it kids? Yeah, it's not important. That's why they put gold out there in the recycle bins this weekend coming up because just gold isn't worth having or anything. So, you know, it's just getting tossed out there in the plastic tubs. If you get a chance, go on by those wealthy communities, especially where they keep telling you that all having physical gold is not important because gold isn't relevant anymore. You'll find gold and silver and probably jewels too in the recycle bins because who needs it? Oh wait a minute, the pig parasites were telling you, you don't need it, they need the well. Yeah, isn't that amazing? So, again, the trash there in good old Ferguson, the gutter trash that are being engineered, and already went to the White House and came back, along with the skank, you know, the Homeland Suck, Uredi, you know, the secret police in FEMA that beat down little old ladies and went door-to-door to confiscate guns after Katrina. First, they abandoned, stood off to the side, let anything and everything happen. People defended themselves and then the gutter trash mayor and the gutter trash governor and the gutter trash Fed. Oh, that's right. That was under a republic rat, you know George Bush Then they came in and told all those people who had protected their homes that we're gonna take the guns and the FBI and the homeland security and FEMA police and had no problem going along with that all the way. Now we've got a Republarat in there. Oh wait a minute, no we don't. He's a Demican. And if the Republarat was bad, I wonder what a gun-grabbing Demican will be like. And the FBI loves him. And they're following every order to the T, aren't they? Who is your enemy? Sure as hell ain't us. I ain't coming to your home to kick a door and steal anything. But there's a whole bunch of slobs in these federal agencies that plan on it. Don't they? Vote with your wallet. Buy more ammo. Organize armed equipment train. Understand there's two street gangs out there in Ferguson. The ones coming from one direction that came right from Washington after they had their special meeting where he said, stay the, you know, keep going dudes. And then from the other direction with the other part of the scam. where Homeland Security and the regional police are ready to treat the property owner just like the rioters will as a target of opportunity. Count on them. We've seen them do it before. We know what they're about. So, as it is, we are headed to the top of the hour. We'll be hearing the music there for everybody up there. Take a break and we're going to come back a little bit here. Second hour of the Intel report. Ed's probably trying to get the music up there even as we speak, I hope. Anyway, again, a little glitch earlier just towards the end of the program. Interesting because we were on what was a general subject of interest focusing on, by getting ready to fight kids, being able to effectively wage combat operations. in cold weather conditions. A lot of issues that need to be addressed, but also night vision and night combat operations start to look at and look forward to using illumination and night vision technology accordingly. We'll be back right here. God bless the Republic. Death of the New World Order. We shall prevail. The Empire is on the run. We're in the march. LTR. Second hour coming up. It's Tuesday. 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