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This is the... second hour of the afternoon intelligence report of our kirky one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines and occupied territories west central east and south well ladies and gentlemen you were listening to us on liberty tree radio dot for empty dot com indiana freedom talk radio dot com or i am an effort micro stations cb base stations and ultra net technologies east and west of the mississippi along with alaska or the hallmark network from the top of maine to the bottom of florida from about a four-crosser article of of mexico headed louisiana mississippi texas oklahoma big chunk of nebraska A whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the 3rd, 5th, and our friends in the recall state of Colorado. Waving the left coast, we have the great state of Jefferson. 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So, if you're on the east coast, middle of the country, wherever, but 94.5 new micro-rebroadcaster right here in Michigan. So, that's pretty cool. Anyway, as it is, today is the, well, it's Monday, it's the 27th of October, it's the sixth year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet Socialist Occupation of America with a K 2014 Old Earth Calendar, or Mayan. Crazy Town, Crazy Town Calendar, or Nostradamus Doom. I guess if you worship Nostradamus, you might listen to him. Oh, that's right, pee into the tea, boil it strong. Oh, this room smells horrible. drink the PT and then go, howl dudes I'm having a vision. I am too man. Dude, it smells like 50,000 bird and baby diapers in here. Wow. Actually pee filled baby diapers with extra, oh, you'll say baby poop color brown stuff in the back. Actually, it is baby poop sir. Oh, oh, that's right. Those are diapers. Oh, even worse. Oh, the smell, the smell Nostradamus, the smell. that's okay he was doing other stuff you know kind of free-basing so it burned all the night knowing the uh... those hairs and all of his uh... oral factory collection there pretty well-handled baby diaper smell without any problem now that's just the way Nostradamus is but anyway it is monday here at liberty tree radio and for everybody that is the listening we got about two or three other actions that are coming up here And like I said, the end of the week, first of all, double checking on the schedule here. Sorry guys, I gotta go over to something I didn't plan on doing, but this weekend, it looks like we have the Dr. Zussman Ackerman will be up at the Ogimer Ranges. They're going to be doing a maintenance and support class for all the 50 caliber gunners. This is also gonna give people a few ideas. There's been some questions about building 50 caliber barrels from scratch. They are going to demonstrate some of the crude, rude and old methods for rifling. Not really all that crude or rude, but by today's standards they are antiquated. Well, in reality we have the modern steel, but we might have to bore and we might have to remit ourselves, kids. So that is the case. We need to know how to do the pull through method, which is probably the cheapest and simplest In reality, even building the tools to do the work aren't that complicated. The big thing is consistency, and that's where it takes a skilled hand once you've got the experience. Doing the starter cuts and continuing to cut uniformly. There's some neat little tricks there with that. The way the tools work to actually cut, and they probably go four-groove, I would assume, although they could be going six-groove. is when you pull through a barrel, think about this, the tool compresses, each part is machined to compress to the same, you know, like a, think about like a Chrysler symbol. Let's go five points, you can understand that, but I can do it over the air. Think about a Chrysler symbol and how you have the star inside the Chrysler symbol. Well, each one of those components, those wedges are pre-cut and so that they actually conform to a certain spec There's a certain amount of material that is available to work with. When you pull the rod through, the guide itself keeps the tool at a uniform depth. When you did the original bore, and that straight bore is complete, the base of the tool is the bore of the hole that you're guiding through. It naturally controls the spec. for the cut and depth of the rifling. It's very straightforward, very simple. The tools themselves can be made from either hardened steel or can be done with even, in this day and age, can be built with a carbide tip. And there's a number of different tricks to this. Deep lands and grooves or shallow micro rifling purely a matter of what are you working with in the way of barrel? Remember that if your barrels are softer micro grooving is not going to last Historically, let me give you the best example even the big companies learn hard lessons Remington and Winchester built the 7mm Remington Magnum and the 300mm wind mag was its counterpart both belted magnums. We all know the concept of belted magnums, right? Well, Remington went one step farther with its premier rifle, its new bolt action back in the 60s. And it was something nobody else had done. Not only did they do the Remington micro groove that they were so famous for since the end of World War II, the O3A3 barrels, remember? but they applied it to a stainless steel barrel. Now these weapons are all collector's items, I'm going to tell you something right now. If you have a 1963, 64, or 65 Remington bolt gun and it's in 7mm Remington Magnum, beware, I wouldn't be shooting it very much, number one, although you may already have and you may have a conventional steel barrel because they made both, but If you have the stainless barrel, those were a limited production weapon. They are collector's items. Unfortunately, for a lot of guys who were major shooters back in the day, it was found out very quickly that after about 2,000 rounds, that microgroup barrel starts to wear, well, it was wearing from the moment you fired the first round, a little more prematurely. This should have been good for 12 to 14, maybe 20,000 rounds. Unfortunately, because of the material, the type of stainless that was chosen, now you gotta remember there's over 500 stainless steel combinations slash alloys to choose from. Apparently what they chose in their logic, because of tooling, was not a selling choice with regard to wear and tear. And so the barrels had a tendency to slop out, you know, in other words, open up. Pretty quick by comparison of the original expected dimension. Now, if I were looking at wartime production, would I be as worried about that? Well, it depends. Example, if I was building a deep-groove weapon, if I had to go with whatever steel was available, I couldn't use 41-40 chromoly, but I could use other steel, I could use other stock. First of all, case hardening, tempering, is the most critical component with regard to reinforcing the metal in another way. If you have a lesser metal, what can you do to create face hardening or tempering in different ways to give it a little more time before she wears through to the soft shoe or inner core, kind of like a Tootsie Roll thing. There you have it, Tootsie Pop. Anyway, the fact of the matter is that for submachine gun barrels, it would not be critical. For even several different types of handguns, it would not be critical. Now with rifles, needless to say, we're trying to reach a little greater range, but even with some of the light rifles we could develop, if it was a bolt gun, for instance, we went with a simple Mardi Grifen type bolt action, We're not going to cycle the weapon through as quickly. We certainly have to zero it for the shooter. But once she's fixed to the shooter, as a game getter to knock down Black Uniform, Moose, to harvest what they have in the way of goodies, single-shot quiet gun would be fine and even if there's a little variation remember the objective is to get close weapon would typically be subsonic in terms of how you use it uh... you would probably be quieted once wars war breaks out silencers become the norm rather than the exception for a lot of work and harvesting black uniform moves would not be difficult at all Again, would I be concerned with progressive wear on the weapon? Well, if I understand its limitations or a number of things that can be done, here's a mean trick. If you plan ahead, let's say that you build a bunch of 9mm barrels. Well, you know that eventually your barrel, your rifling is going to wear, I mean, but it would take time, but to draw more life out of that barrel, what would you do with it? How about you just bore it out to 40 caliber dimension, and re-rifle it for 40 caliber and run it until it fails there. And when you're done with that in a submachine gun barrel, what if you were to say to a carbine barrel or, you know, again, certain machine pistol barrels, what if you were to then go, wow, if I built it right and made it a little extra heavy, I could then bore it out to 45 caliber and even run that puppy for a period of time in 45 caliber. Now this sounds strange, but it's not because if you have people with brains that are running logistics, it is not difficult to route and reroute back to your industrial base material support like this. If a barrel is changed out and the barrel is shot out or damaged, it's routed to the rear. Now let me give you an example of something you've all been handling for years and give you a basic understanding of what I'm talking about here. How many of you have NAGOT revolvers after we told you to buy them when they were under $100 and now they're stupid priced? Well, they're not stupid priced completely, but try and find them. Their ammunition is still available, but the weapons have become harder to get, right? And they're out there, but you've got to search for them now. How many of you have Broomhandle Mausers that are bolo Broomhandles that are made by the Communists? How many of you have had 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol-cardier pistols like the Tokarev? By the way, the broom handles are the same caliber by the way. How many of you had a nagot rifle? What caliber is it? 30 caliber. Oh, are we seeing a pattern here? And then, of course, we have our more notorious and more modern SKS carbine. Oh, that's in 30 caliber. Then we also have the AK-47, but that's in .30 caliber. I'm seeing a pattern here. Well, crude and rude, especially with communists in charge, you know the Jewish mafia in charge because the Commissars were all Jewish. Well, with the Jewish Commissars in charge and the slaves having the whip cracked over them and them executing many of their skilled tradesmen, they had to work with what they had left. And remember that you start out with a rifle barrel. The rifle barrel has a flaw. Out of all the barrels you're making, you get to a certain point and there's a flaw. Something goes wrong, something's not right. Something isn't to spec. Do you throw the barrel out after you've spent all the work on it? No. Can you cut it down to a carbine barrel? Ah, we might be able to do that first. Well, there's one solution with minimal machine time to get that barrel on a receiver so that it can do some people killing. Okay? But then the next step is, well wait a minute, how many, if the barrel is nixed from the get-go because of some exterior flaw or dimension, how many submachine gun barrels can you make from one Boysen-Nagat .30 caliber barrel? Oh! Now, if you cut down a submachine gun barrel, and for some reason that barrel isn't right, there's a flaw at the last minute, some step isn't quite right, something got nicked off that took too much metal for the SMG barrel. How many submachine gun barrels can you make Toker and Pisko or Broomhandle Mauser barrels out of? Oh! See how that works? Mark, that would mean that people would have to use their brains! Yeah, yeah, and people used to do this. But we can't do that nowadays because we're all stupid. We're all stupid. We're dumb. We got f**ked with these out no more because we all have been stupefied by common core slash common whore in the public fool system. And yet an entire country operated this type of system. But especially out of desperation and failure, we just need to think in advance before you get into trouble. Now here's one of the most important things to think about with regards to man-made materials. Human hours were already in every process step already tied into something. Those hours could not be recollected, but those hours are valuable because every hour that you can spare in one direction means that the hours you have available with your man-boured personnel and machinery can be pressed to others. Now I would point out something I keep mentioning. We're not building submachine guns right now, but we should understand completely how to use them. Why? A submachine gun class of weapon could have no problem dealing with the M16 in its M4 configuration. The M4, an inferior weapon in many ways, in terms of we should be chopping the gun down, I would point out that if you compare the Peppier submachine gun, the Sumi submachine gun, and its engagement ranges, It's volume fire potential and the fact that wow if you think about this here something that's really bizarre because people go well mark it's it's not it's a pistol cartridge and it's not an assault rifle cartridge guys you can you can easily scale down and create oh wait a minute let's see how about TCM 22 caliber assault rifle cartridges oh I'm sorry is that a hot pistol cartridge Yes, it is. As a matter of fact, here. Anyway, the fact of the matter is that if you take a look at that, it's available right now for about $20 a box from CenterfireSystems.com. They've got it on the front page, I think. Apparently, it's not moving because they're kind of pressing it up towards the top of the list hoping people will notice it for those who have the gun. But consider that you can take any of these submachine guns and knock them down to a jacketed light or micro assault cartridge that would do exactly what the M16 does. I wouldn't do that. I personally wouldn't. Why? Well, because there's tons of 9mm and there's tons of .40 caliber and there's tons of .45 ACP and to be quite honest, almost all the ranges that are being used, a guy with a 75 round drum or a 3035 or a 37 round stick mag, They just pepper the living snot out of anybody that's got an M4 at close range. So tit for tat, how much more firepower can they present? And are we looking at inferior? Well, again, we go up in weight and a little slower in performance. But depending upon the barrel, the type of weapon, the submachine gun for especially in-house or close house use, it'll chop a person's leg off just as well, if not better than the M16 in its M4 configuration or in all these little mighty-mite operational guns that are tiny-tiny. In fact, you can carry more ammo. You've got more space for it. So if you're talking about volume fire, the submachine gun in any of these heavy weapons offer comparable range, greater volume fire, and are less expensive to produce and last longer with fewer parts requirements in the field. Now let's point something out about submachine gun, the submachine gun family which can be quickly adopted and put into use. You can use any of the cartridges that are out there. The interesting too is remember that most submachine guns were open bolt now that's crude and rude and that they Slam-fire the round you got to remember that guys think open bolt with an open bolt system Actually the recoil is quite minimal and quite controllable very manageable But mark it doesn't have a buffer system. It doesn't have it. Yeah, you're right. It's a lot less complicated to build The interesting thing about it is that we can incorporate, think about this, take a look at the Sten gun. What would you do because of available components today? What would you do that would be different with a Sten gun? Well, right off the bat, an M16 and an ORAK plastic stock, right? M16, an M16 or an AK pistol grip, right? The back end of the weapon is stamped sheet metal, it's crude, rude and thick. In fact, it's not tempered, guys. It's just crude root and kind of holds the rear retainer cap in place that holds the main spring in place, the recoil spring, which is as big as the main tube of the receiver. There are two things right off the bat that eliminate that big steel stock, although again, they're more sophisticated, the stuff that holds it in place, but I can pull it off the shelf or off existing production lines. When I run out, I'll change to something else, or I can go back to the crude, rude steel stocks that were on the Sten gun. What about magazines? Well, in this day and age, it appears that the Glock is really popular, isn't it? So, rather than making a stem gun type magazine, would it make sense that my magazine well would simply be a mimic in plastic or steel of the Glock receiver? And it would be crude and rude, but it would be designed to accept whatever Glock mags are out there. Oh, well wait a minute, but Mark, what about volume fire you were talking about? Can I buy Glock manufactured 14, 20, and 33 round mags? If I can get after Mark at all day. G-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g- And by the way, I can do the same thing with that stun gun or that submachine gun that we do at close range or intermediate ranges with that AR-15. Reloading! And the other guy picks up his stun, points at your direction, and goes, I gotta get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it. See, if you want to spray and pray, you can spray and pray a lot cheaper than the M16 and put more bullets into the target area with a submachine gun. Oh, by the way, you're all close and they said we're less than 200 yards. Well, I want you all to take a look at the battle sites for most of the submachine gun family of weapons. Amazingly enough, they were looking at 200 to 300 yards maximum range. Although easily they could pepper stuff in at 400 and 500 yards. What effect that would have? Well, I would at least take cover because I don't want to get smacked in the eyeball with a lead pellet. What do you think? So again, is it a long range rifle? No. Could these weapons be produced cheaply? Well, the Sten gun was produced at maximum production when it was at peak production, $2.75 per gun, 1941, 1942 dollars. American, $2.75, $2.45, then maybe $2.90, who knows what their calculation was for each month. But peak production, they got it down to $2.75 a gun easily. Again, they're minimal tempering. If you take a look at the barrel, hell guys even made Sten gun barrels with no rifling. Then they made them with kind of a micro pull through rifling like Remington did, but not because they were trying to be precise, it was because it was cheap. Then they got back to better tooling and so up and down and back and forth. They played games with different rifling, etc., depending upon how wealthy they were at the moment. Now before we get into desperation, how about we already have these designs online in place? We go to war, we've got to have these things plugged in immediately. We don't wait till later. Now again, as I pointed out, Mark, one of them off the wall, there's other mags. Here's a cool thing about a Sten gun variant utilizing pistol mags. Guys, you could actually have change out magazine wells that could wear the whole fixture. If you're familiar with how the Sten gun works, You could disassemble the gun, replace the magazine well with another magazine well for like say, Steyers or Beretta Model 92s. And it would be very simple, crude, and rude, and easy to use. And the neat thing is, is whatever mags would be available, 45 ACP. Why not build the, in fact you could build a bolt and a magazine well to use 1911 mags. Now you're not going to get very much, you know, seven rounds, but as a light pistol slash, you know, carbine. Like the camp car beans that use the 45 ACP mag that were made by Mossberg, which are beautiful firearms. The neat thing is those 45 ACP mags that drop in your pistol go right into that little light carbine you made with that stem design and pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And if you have an 11 rounder, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, It don't have to be full auto. Just pull the trigger. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, Oh, yeah, we forget the word desperate slash screw up slash failure on the part of the BEF getting stomped along with the French. You know, Dunkirk, Belladille. Yeah, those two. They're the ones we're not supposed to know about, by the way. Anyway, so case in point, think ahead, start to do research. Start to use, let the gray matter flow. Now the other thing is, yeah, we could build a Stungiver-type assault rifle that would be cruder and ruder than the M16, and not as complicated. A lot of people do complain about certain aspects of the AR, and it's true, they were complication issues with stoner. All the little holes, and all the little retainer pins, and all the interlock components, If you take the pistol grip off and you're not paying attention, you're going to lose a pin and retaining a buffer spring, or forgive me, a retaining spring and a pin, which the spring pushes into place to perform a certain mission, which you can't do when the part falls out. Your buttstock does the same thing. This is all part of this integrated design concept that Stoner was famous for. It was the most intricate variation on what Stoner came up with though, and most all of his other weapons did not repeat, did not incorporate all the micro parts that the M16 family is famous for. If you don't think so, take a look at an AR180. If you don't think so, take a look at a Hack 7. The Hack 7 rifle was a Stoner design. Somebody resurrected one of Stoner's several research rifles from the 50s and early 60s. And the Hack 7 was a really cool solution. It was a very good idea and it was a Stoner idea. No dudes, we're not talking Stoner like. We're talking the guy who invented the M16, the Stoner rifle. By the way, there's another one you can't get hardly any of them because they don't exist in private form. But the Stoner rifle, as used by the SEALs, do a little research on that. Take a look at the design. Take a look at some of the things that are missing from the design. Wow! And by the way, you couldn't pry the Stoner rifle out of the SEAL's hands if your life depended on it. And it would, because if you tried to take it, they'd kill you. You see how that works? Just a little case in point there. So not all of Stoner's designs had the problem that the M16 had. That's what's really amazing, is that every other design that Stoner built, even if they changed the ammo up, was a much more forgiving design. with regard to its gas system especially which is the biggest issue with the AR-15. Now we're stuck with it. There's 50 going on, there's 60 years worth of it out there now guys. Of the stoner design of the AR-10 slash AR-15 rifle. and it's long in the tooth so it's been out there for a while you'll find still a lot of interchangeable parts no matter which model it is they're resurrecting the A1 that are as kits remember there are some variations there that will not interbreed with your other weapons systems if they're AR you have to remember that guys upper and lower receiver issues so pay attention to that also remember that was intentional not accidental That goes back to the early history of the civilianized versions of the AR-15M16 family of weapons and what was required by the government because they didn't want you to use them. They're government parts and you're a rifle. They really didn't want you to be able to use the magazine, but they didn't have much of a choice there because Well, Stoner kind of pressed that one. But remember that when they came out with the AR180, totally different mag in terms of how it was connected, so it wouldn't interchange. Oh, that was an accident. That was a Stoner selling feature, by the way, too. didn't work the way they expected. And of course it was intentional to try and befuddle people with regard to building up inventories of magazines. That didn't work either because people who had the AR180 built lots of mags, had lots, bought lots of mags, and that means more were built so the weapons are maintained. Anyway, we are just at, a little past the bottom of the hour. I would remind everybody if you can, we're at the end of October, if you could donate to Liberty Tree Radio, take the time. Subscribe is probably one of the great ways you can support us, guys. Subscribe to Liberty Tree Radio. Go to our YouTube page. Forgive me, YouTube page. Go to our Liberty Tree... Yes, slide me the microphone. You can go to our YouTube page anyway, that's cool. But LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com. LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com. Take the time, donate. and help us keep the lights on and change out a few more things. We got most of what we need down at the end. There's some big boxes that are getting ready to be shipped. They're actually by the front door. And when those are in the water, we can upgrade them accordingly. We'll probably be delivering a server pretty soon. I actually have checked everything. It's running. What we can do with it, it can play with it. We'll find out. But the server got all the disks, all the software, extra SIM chips. Actually, there's a sister machine I've had, but all the hard drives have been pilfered from it. Well, I even got the racks to plug in the hard drives, the quick pull clip systems. They're unique to these particular drive, these particular Forgive Me servers. And so we're collecting odds and stuff. We don't have enough to do every, to put every hard drive station back online, but we can take that second server and made it to the first one and hey, we have some throw power kids. So, we're working on that and I want to say thank you to some of our friends for pitching and stopping by and dropping off equipment to do just that because we've been collecting other things. I mentioned something, somebody said, hey, I've had some of those. And lo and behold, yep, we matched them up. Yes, you do. So, one of our friends out there has been a long time electrical geek, an electronics geek. Thank you, sir. We're for Mr. J out there. We want to say thank you. Also, a reminder we are headed towards the end of this month, October guys, just around the corner. November, we're looking at a whole bunch of ham fests. We start getting stuff indoors, okay, more indoor stuff. Also, a reminder, we're looking at the hunting season in Michigan and all out of the northern states. I have not seen any great ammunition sales. Seriously, I have not seen anything that has made me go, oooooo or ahhhh instead it's like So, if you do run into anything, please pass it on to everybody. We're looking for the basic calibers. A lot of guys this time of year usually beef up on their 243 Winchester, their 270. Also, the 30-30 rounds. If you've got any great buys, if you see them at the chain stores, give us a heads up on that because we need to scarf up what we can and drag it away. The 243 is a devastating round. The 270, hey that's basically where we were going to go with, but instead we kept the odd 6 for the grand, but for all practical purposes the basic 270 round as you see it, is where they probably would have gone with the grand had they thought they had the money. It was one of three cartridges that were proposed. Remember the Grand was originally built in a cartridge specific to the design. It was pushed to be dropped by both a combination of MacArthur and Patton because hey guys, we're in a depression, we ain't got no money for ammo, what are you doing? And so everybody learned real quick to fix that. And the OTSIC stayed in service. The other thing is they should never have changed. They found out later they never had to change the cartridge even though they underpowered it. That's how we got the M230 OTSIC round. Most people don't ask, well where'd the M1 come from, where'd that go? Well that was the 1903 reload guys. In reality, it turns out they should never have changed it. I want to say thank you to Kentucky for our friends in the chatroom, Aftermath Gun Club, review of the Holloway Hack 7. That's there on the page. If you're wondering what I'm talking about there, aftermathgunclub.com, 2014-01-08, 1984, review of the Holloway Hack 7. I understand that there were two variations that finally came out, the A and the B model, the original design. Back when the Hack 7 came out, the AR-10 mags came into the country and forced from the Philippines and Holland. Holland had adopted the AR-10, most people don't know this, and they had the AR-10 in service and successfully fielded it and were very satisfied with it. Any of their old protectorate's bought it or were given rifles as gifts. In other words, it was part of their lend lease or trade policy. Because of this, after the Philippines started to and Holland started to phase out the AR-10s in favor of other weapons, then a lot of parts kits, but more importantly a whole pile of the waffle mags. The original AR-10 waffle mags came in. This prompted a number of people to come up with large receiver 308 rifles that could handle that big magazine and the magazine well for the 20 round AR-10 mags. The HAC-7 was one of those weapons that originally was in that family for a period of time. Did it catch hold? Well, there was a lot of competition in the M1As. Springfield Armory was coming up strong. And that's really why a lot of the other alternate 308 rifles didn't catch on because, again, affordable mags. Back in the day, we were buying M14 mags for $2 apiece. I could buy M14 stocks for $5 apiece. Nobody had any receivers. You could get whole parts kits for nothing. Then the receivers were built, and that changed the dynamic and kind of shifted the economy of the gun world. So the HAC-7, like many others, It was there. A lot of people that picked it up stuck with it. Some people that bought them just played with them and piddled them away. They're still out there and found around in circles worn out or tired or abused for lack of maintenance, etc. It varies depending on what you're looking for there. So again, take the time and say thank you to Kentucky. Again, go to Aftermath. gunclub.com, aftermathgunclub.com, 2004, forward slash 2014, forward slash 01, forward slash 09, forward slash 1984-review of Holloway Hack 7. Now, another thing, and I gotta bring this up now because, guys, I did call, and it turns out that, remember how I told you UN ammo, they have those ground flares? Well, guess what? They do have the parachute flares. Does everybody hear me? They do have the parachute flares. Does everybody hear me? They do have the parachute flares. And they, in fact, are a pretty reasonable price, guys. However, you have to call in order for you to get hold of the... You actually have to contact them, guys. We can't just run out and buy them. They didn't post them for a reason. Apparently he's been selling a lot of these at the different shoots out there. But the owner, and I'm trying to find, forgive me here guys, I had the notes right here. Ah, here we go. If you are interested in the parachute flares, they are a very good price. I will repeat for everybody out. I told you I'd check on this. I talked to the owner of UNAMMO. He does have parachute flares. What he's concerned with is he doesn't want dupes getting hold of them and doing stupid stuff with them. So he didn't just throw them out there on the page. He was hoping people would have some kind of wherewithal focus and read the instructions, that kind of thing. Although it's really kind of funny because he sells bowling ball mortars. So it's like, well, his concern was these things are a little more you know out there in the you know like handheld and you can do things with them anyway uh... if you want to uh... access them if you're looking if you are truly interested in parachute players were looking at a very reasonable price talk to him more you buy the cheaper they get and they are reasonably priced as the ground players that we have already pointed to everybody understand that there is reasonably priced as the ground flares that are already offered. Now remember the ground flares are $50 to a box for $90. I would point out that the parachute flares are a comparable price. A little more expensive but not much. So this is a very valuable, again, buying, apparently he has all the different items. I think he has the smoke. I want to understand that he has other items too that are part of the lifeboat preparedness thing. So if you're looking to find out more, go to UNAMMO.com and talk to Ask for Callie. Ask for Callie, that's the owner. Go to UNAMMO.com, give them a call down there at the store and ask for Callie. and tell them you were referred by Mark, just say Mark, and you're interested in the illumination flares, the pop flares. The definitely are available. The more you buy, the cheaper they get. You'll find out what the price is. Ask and you shall know. The rest shall be history. Now... Again, take the time and go to www.unmo.com. There are other items beyond just the ground flares that they have. Again, it's going to be a little more expensive but not much than what you see for the regular signal flares, the handheld. The cool thing is that it's not much more, only about maybe a dollar more per unit, and that should include shipping by the time you're done with calculating everything. Check it out and give them a call. And if you were looking for illumination flares, there is a solution and it is www.unmo.com. They also have some other flares and devices that are all even more intense and longer burning. So there's all kinds of cool stuff that he has there. They're not all that's listed on the page guys. You need to call and ask for Callie. Unmo.com, Unmo.com, go to the page and check it out and give everybody a hi. How you doing? And let everybody else know once you get them, look at them. Now they're going to be the same thing. They are outdated emergency devices that have been pulled from cruise liner lifeboats and things of that nature. Okay. So, they're pretty straightforward. Again, I'll post to the chatroom there. It's www.unmo.com. When you go there, let's see, point of contact, easiest way, scroll down to the bottom of the page. Yes, he's got lots of other ammo and he's got some really good .50 caliber stuff coming in by what he said. That will be there shortly including some of the more exotic rounds again. And the phone number for the store is 601-418-0590, 602-418-0590, that's 602-418-0590. And you want to ask for Callie, tell him that Mark referred you. You are level-headed and intelligent enough to figure out what needs to be done with these using them as an illumination device. We are talking cheap and lots of. The more you buy, the cheaper they get. Hint, hint, hint. Buying more than a case at a time might not be a bad thing. Personal choice there. Otherwise, a couple of other things as we pointed out and I will say thanks guys. Feds Retaliate Against Bundy Ranch and HTML. Again, not that we didn't expect this, Feds Retaliate Against Bundy Ranch and the Southern Nevada People on Friday, October 10, 2014. A notice from the Federal Registry reveals that the federal government is mounting retaliations against the Bundy family and the Southern Nevada people. Federal Register Volume 79, number 197 notice. outlines plans to make the Bundy Ranch and most of the rest of southern Nevada areas of critical environmental concern, A-C-E-C. This is the scam so they can get the communist Chinese in there. These pigs and the government sold the United States out to these foreign powers. The communist Chinese want the rest of it and these stank pigs. When they do this, if there's right next door, if it's one of these A-C-E-Cs, What that means is that they will be strip mining and they'll be mining anything. You touch it, we'd be shot. The foreigners will come in and they'll just rape the landscape. That's the plan, okay? 90 days from October 10, 2014, these proposals will become federal law without consent from the Nevada state legislature or the people of southern Nevada. Areas of critical environmental concern, ACESs, are human restricted management areas, A-C-A-TEX. have been a tool used by the federal government to gain further control of large masses of western lands and resources so that they can hand them over to the IMF guys and so they can screw all of us. Again, we needed an American war for independence to get rid of these foreign nationals on American soil and the foreign nationals working inside the corporate federation slash the corporate federal. It's that simple. As proposed, nearly three million acres in southern Nevada will be locked away from the people. This includes most uses on the land, recreational, agricultural or otherwise. Listed below are just a few of the outline restrictions that come with ACEX. Closed roads, excluded trails, closed camping, closed recreational vehicles, closed motorized travel, closed to livestock grazing, restricted human hiking, restricted horseback riding, excluded group recreation, recreations, closed mineral development, closed to water access, closed to hunting and target shooting. The Southern Nevada people soon will have less access to their lands than any other people in the history of this country. There are 33 new areas of critical environmental concern, ACECs, proposed to cover Southern Nevada, totaling 1,739,795 acres. 12 of the 22 existing ACACs are also proposed to be expanded. See list below, which of course has an extended compilation. The Bureau of Land Management, BLM, filed this list on October 1st, which means that this is how these pigs, these rotten, filthy, foreign pieces of trash that need to be shot, are going to try to attack and drive the people out of the area so the communist Chinese, and so that the hairy reeds of the world and the pigs working with the Chinese, can then walk in and do everything listed above and more. You won't be able to. They will. That's the plan. So for everybody out there, again, take the time. The article is at BundyRanch.BlogSpot.com. BundyRanch.BlogSpot.com. That's BundyRanch.BlogSpot.com. Forward slash 2014 forward slash 10 forward slash feds retaliate against Bundy Ranch and dot HTML. So, for everybody out there, and let's see, this is a direct assault on the state of Nevada. It's also a deliberate retaliation against the people for standing against the horrific action of several federal agencies at the Bundy Ranch. Yes, it is. We told you they'd be coming back. Now, again, the old Wicked Witch of the West and their skank foreign flying monkeys. And they are. They just look that ugly. They have big schnozes, big rubber lips, foreign uniforms. In fact, that one batch looked like they ran out of hype for a Tel Aviv. They are, again, making a clear case that they are willing to use federal power to punish the local people. Well, of course, that's the whole thing about the scam with these parasitic internationalists. Our problem? Our internationalists. We need to get rid of them. Harry Reid's declaration, this is not over, is proving to be uncharacteristically accurate. Before the Bundy Ranch standoff, There were approximately 1 million acres of A-tex in Southern Nevada. Now after the Bundy standoff, the BLM is proposing an additional 1.8 million acres, a 280% increase, all of which just happens to be in Southern Nevada. Although this is not proof, oh yes it is. Anybody with little intelligence can see that Harry Reid and the BLM are not protecting the environment, which of course they weren't doing before, guys. The whole area where they had the desert tortoise scam going was a lie every step of the way. Remember that. They are punishing their enemies. Well, of course. That's why we're at war. Something's going to start it. Be prepared for this being one of them. People are just plain fed up. How is it that all newly proposed critical environmental lands in the United States just happen to reside within miles of the Bundy Ranch? Is the land in southern Nevada so different and dangerous, special, delicate, and important? Well, we know better than that. From near the beginning of history, tyrannical men have sought to oppress through the control of land and resources. Control the land and resources and you have the power to control the people. There is a direct correlation to land and resources with power and wealth. All major powers in the world history have gained their power and wealth by conquering the land and controlling the region. More extensive article, a lot more here. Most all the demographic information is right there on hand to show everybody. And again, go to bundyranch.blogspot.com. Do links. Share as quickly as you can. Spread this out wherever you can. Okay? Again, that's bundyranch.blogspot.com. And everybody better be buying more ammunition and again, don't forget pick up the gas mask I told you to before I know it's becoming harder a couple of companies just sold out of the retail in They already know that they're not being able to replace in fact some of our flat-out said they're not taking any back orders I hope everybody noticed that The reason they're not taking back orders. They can't get any more to put in up on the shelf. It's that simple So, for everybody out there, again, a couple of solutions, UNAMMO.com, www.UNAMMO.com. Also, an article here too I wanted to touch on, thanks to our friends in the chat room there, again, Marathon County Police are not apologizing for the decision to use an arborig military vehicle on a senior citizen because he may have been argumentative for years. 75-year-old Roger Hockner has been at odds with the local government in Marathon County, Wisconsin, over $80,000 worth of fines relating to the use of his property. Well, of course they do. That way they can try and steal it. Somebody needs to go in there at night, cut the legs off of whoever it is that they're busting backwards, and teach them a lesson. It's the only way it's going to work. Otherwise, they're not listening. And they'll keep adding more vines because they've got to steal that land. Hoppner has strongly disputed the fines that have been imposed on him and he has been through multiple lawsuits and appeals with the city in a fight to use his property the way that he wants to. Town officials claim that a business which Hoppner operates on his property is in violation of zoning ordinance. And of course those are UN zoning ordinances. Let's remember that too guys. Time to again use the bayonet, the bullet and the rest of the cartridge box as needed. 2011, the town confiscated large amounts of personal property from Hotener because he refused to pay the fines. Several tractors, pallets and equipment were auctioned off by the government for pennies on the dollar, according to Hotener's attorney, Ryan Listener. That means that their little buddies were there to steal the property that they took off of his land. Those people should have been found, their legs should have been busted, and probably kept side ahead, too, with a couple of two-by-fours. Next the town impose a $500 a day fine on a hot mare. That means I'd have to go out and give each one of them 500 hits with a stick with a nail. Hold still. Hi, how you doing? Remember me? I just kind of posted this. I figured for every dollar, how about a whack with a stick with a nail? Who do you think? I don't know if you live long enough, but don't worry. I only use the number six. It's kind of short, but every time I hit you, it's going to slap you and penetrate you. I made sure the nail is rusty. So hold still. They're going to hurt a lot. Might not get to 500 probably not you just it's kind of thousand cuts thingy anyway Hopper refusing to remove certain equipment from his property eventually the bill ran up to $100,000 and the town came to collect money with an armored truck and two dozen cops That's when you go to where the cops came from and you take what they had there. Oh, that would be kind of mean wouldn't bother out there and piddle in this house You're in there piddly with it, and they hear in the distance and see that little plume of smoke rising up on the horizon there. Then you go hump the ones down that are out there out and about on the road. Ooh, well, that's how wars start. The local police department has defended their show of force by saying that Hoppner was argumentative about the fines, although they admit that he never made any threats or indications that he would be violent. Of course, it's always been administrative paperwork. They love that kind of attack. They know that stop or all shall stop again doesn't work and they can get away with murder. And they get to use their toys on a peasant, because after all, we're all just peasants to be manipulated by the states and by the these little sickle fans that show up in positions of power best to meet him at night eleven o'clock getting out of their car and there we go are you gonna bother me anymore oh well you shouldn't have said that one oh there you go oh yeah wholesale one more yeah now home oh you are home remember everybody knows where you live and we'll come back and bother you some more I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen that way so much as people are just going to get tired and walk up, put a bullet in them and be done with it. It settles a lot of problems and a little sycophants eventually are all gone and they don't come back. Hoppner was arrested without any physical resistance and was escorted to a bank where he was forced to withdraw $80,000 and handed over to police. Yeah, you could have your 24 pigs there to do that once. And the next day there would be no more than maybe two or three of them left. But that night, yeah, you brought 24, eh? And I see every one of you. And tomorrow morning, well, then there were less. Yep, you going to do that? Oh no, no, you see that right there? Okay, there you go. Anyway, more on that. Check out the story. You can all see why. This country needs is a good war for independence again. 24 cops in an Army military vehicle went to put a gun to somebody's head to steal $80,000. That's why they need to. Well, hope they enjoy their toys for a little bit. It looks like one of those, it's one of those M-crap pieces of vehicle that, not all that good, but it could be used for a weapon support system. I just put heavier on it than they got when the time comes. Anyway, we are at the top, we are at the top by the way. We got Randy coming up next here on the Liberty Tree Radio Network, guys. Please take the time and support the network by going to www.libertytreeradio.4mg.com. When you get there, when you get there. If you could, take the time and subscribe to the network. That's one of the solutions. You can subscribe to the network or you can go to again our donate key and there are a number of other options. Direct donation is one. We do have to keep the lights on. We got to keep a couple other projects in motion. We're trying to upgrade Edward. 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