October 3, 2014
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Mark Koernke discussed the Ghost Gunner, a $1,200 CNC milling machine that allows individuals to manufacture AR-15 lower receivers at home without regulation or serial numbers. He covered the machine's technical capabilities, its rapid sell-out (200 units in 36 hours, exceeding the planned 110), and the price increase to $1,300 for the next batch. Koernke explored various firearm manufacturing approaches, materials (aluminum, brass, polymer), and compared the Ghost Gunner to other manufacturing technologies. He also discussed night vision equipment availability and pricing, and addressed caller questions about detox formulas and the legal and practical aspects of home firearm production.
- ghost gunner
- cnc milling machine
- ar-15 lower receiver
- defense distributed
- cody wilson
- home firearm manufacturing
- second amendment
- untraceable guns
- polymer receivers
- night vision
- preparedness
- militia
- carbide tooling
- ebola
- federal regime
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Live 365 of the revolution. Thank you for listening to LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com. MainMilitary.com has a large selection of pistols and rifles suited for your needs. Are your local stores sold out of ammunition? Call or visit them today for prices on hard to find ammo and bulk ammo orders. You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because MainMilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need, all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at MainMilitary.com. That's Main, like the state, Military.com. I had a dream the other night that Well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will help people. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. The great republic and each God given right. You pray to God, keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm R. Koonky. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east and north. Well ladies and gentlemen you were listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com and let's see AM&FM Micro stations CB base stations and UltraNet technologies both east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We are in the Hallmark network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Big John, Nebraska, and a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd and 5th and our friends in the recall state of Alaska. We are leaving the coast where we have the great state of Jefferson. We turn back to the east, sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the smokies slash the Blue Ridge where the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the mob, Bill and Grandma Consortium of retired telecommunications workers bring us the Golden Spike. Again, there we are, ladies and gentlemen. It is a beautiful Friday right now. and today's date. Let's see if we have Don with us here before we go any farther. It is Friday, it is the 3rd of October. It is the 6th year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K-2014 Old Earth Calendar or Mayan Crazy Town Calendar. and let's see what else do we have a real quick first of all good afternoon to all of our friends at Camp Emmery, Camp Emerson, New Camp Stasa, Camp Waylon North, Camp Ogamah Ranges and Camp Maga Hitcham along with Fox and Wolf. Your micro broadcasters are on and moving this afternoon and I understand everybody is busy busy busy the doctor is in up at At the Ogimer Ranges we have a B7B weapon systems demonstration. This is the B7B belt fed semi-automatic 50 caliber that is a home kit. They've got a new model that they're going to be showing, unique barrel and also muzzle compensator design, little different change up to make it simpler. They've been experimenting though with direction of blast, that was the thing, direction of energy. So they're trying to make it a little easier on the operators left and right of the gun and there are some tricks that help to change that by changing the way the baffle distributes what it ejects and moves in a particular direction. Just something to think about there. Anyway, it is Friday, so it's Quartermaster Friday on top of everything else. Well, of course we have all the other top stories about back and forth, the debate about the Ebola thing and what's going on there. It's a planned attack. It simplifies it. Planned attack. Fabricated or, again, real world as far as how they're doing what they're doing. Bottom line is somebody needs to be shot for failure, right? That's all we need to keep spreading. If this is really this bad and it's going to continue to get this bad, The regime needs to be fired. A whole bunch of people need to be arrested. Somebody needs to be shot. So go ahead, keep stirring the pot and keep making it worse for all of us Americans. Watch and see what happens. I think we're pretty well finished with the regime. And with any of the shysters that are pushing this garbage across the board. Right? So go ahead, watch and see what happens. Because everybody pretty well can see the writing on the wall. Anyway. Sidebar story, but hey pretty cool the $1,200 machine for making untraceable guns just sold out in 36 hours now Remember, they were taking their pre-orders on this and they were going to run it for however long it takes. I guess I'll read it for you throughout that long. But they were going to only sell so many apparently. There were a lot of people that responded, so here's the information as it stands. Now, they've stopped taking orders for the time being, which is not a problem, provided they get this in production and move on as quickly as they can. Then that won't be difficult because the first 200 out there will speak for them. themselves and everybody else get motivated, right? On Wednesday, Cody Wilson, libertarian non-profit defense distributed, revealed the Ghost Gunner, a 1,200 dollar computer controlled CNC milling machine, designed to let anyone make the aluminum body of an AR-15 rifle at home with no expertise, no regulation, and no serial numbers. Since then, he sold more than 200 of the foot cube CNC mills 175 in the first 24 hours. That's well beyond his expectations. Wilson had planned to sell only 110 of the machines total before cutting off orders. Now, let's remind everybody that you could use the plastic lowers that are 80%. You could use aluminum. Hell, you could do them in brass. Jeff always kind of pointed out it's like, why not? I've always wanted to see when in brass. Wouldn't it be kind of cool to make like a steampunk? If the AR-15 had been built back then, how would it have been built? The only thing is I'd also make it more of a Confederate ornate. In other words, put gold leaf it and scroll it and maybe even put like a I don't know, mechanized infantry, only but in the classic form like a duck scene, and mechanized infantry seen on the side. Something cool. But anyway, as it stands, the machine actually could do with this machine. I would assume that you could probably do any motif you want for the outer part of the receiver. So a Confederate 1861 M16 would be kind of neat, because by the way, that sounds weird, but it's not, guys. brass lower brass brass or well you can even go other metal upper because they did both ways but you have to make sure you could go a steel upper and Then do it in smoke finish do it in the smoke blue finish Yeah, and then for stocks go with wood and by the way, they do make wood stocks for the m16 So you get a rear buttstock in wood pistol grip and wood front grips in wood brass receiver smoke blue upper Oh yeah, I could just see this suck. This would be a classic. It would be like if only they had thought ahead back in the day. You could do it in a number of different calibers. Why not? Anyway, we're talking about doing an aluminum and the fact that you throw either a blank up in or you throw a cube of metal in there and you come out with a low receiver. Anyway, they planned on selling 110. They sold a total of 200, 175 in the first 24 hours. To keep up, Wilson says he is now raising the price for the next round of ghost runners by $100. He has even hired another employee to add the distributed...distributed...distributed...let's get an S on the end of that...tiny operation that makes fore staffers on the Group CNC milling project an offshoot of its larger mission to foil gun control with digital DIY tools. People want this machine, Wilson tells Wired, people want the battle rifle and the comfort of replaceability and the privacy component. It would be replaceability. Well, apparently the spellcheck let it run. They want it and they're buying it. Alright, well as long as they make it, that's all we're worried about. So right now they've got 200 already sold, that should be enough to get production up. And for them to start spitting them out and for people to start commenting on, hey it works, but they'd better be getting in motion right away to get it done. While the ghost runners a general purpose CNC mill capable of automatically carving polymer wood and metal in three dimensions The defense distributed has marketed its machine specifically as a tool for milling the so-called low receivers of an AR-15 Now I would point out what I said before this is a tabletop leader an auxiliary machine secondary support machine or Classroom machine remember what I said basically that's what they're acknowledging here guys go ahead color Well, that's true, but we had the end of the year bill to cover, etc. Actually, several people could do that. This is not that big a price. If a couple people got together like in a militia group and everybody chipped in $100, what's it worth? Yeah, exactly. This thing, it did be quite honest, as I think Fluffy mentioned and I think John from down in Kentucky was pointing out, guys, that Knob Creek is just around the corner. You can get forged lower blanks and forged upper blanks. Now that's with nothing done. No metal finish whatsoever for about $2 or $3 a piece. They're not, they're blemmed in some way. They're not pretty. Well, pretty doesn't cover Jack's squat with me and all the metals there were supposed to be, right? Or they're just, you know, they're excess. They're just clump runs. The idea is that either going with the 80%, which personally for most of you I'd recommend. Now if somebody wanted to, and the big thing is with any of these machines, it ain't the razor, it's the blades. I have to keep emphasizing this, guys. When you have machinery, what is it that slowed down the Germans in World War II? It was tooling and ball bearings. Ball bearings make the world go round. But tooling, and I'll be very specific, carbide tooling. They had to take and prioritize materials and share time on materials. Carbide tooling and high grade metal finishing products, metal finishing blades, cutters, grinders, whatever. Guys, those are a special industry under themselves which by the way was also targeted during the war. So now is the time to buy the upper end and for this project I would spend the money on the tooling. I would make sure that every cutter, every edge, everything I've got would be upper grade and because there's a glut of it on the market because America's industry is in the toilet. So you could make a deal. You could go out and find what you need. Anytime I see gougers, cutters, scrapers, liners, I've got a bunch of stuff I don't have tools for. But you know what, down the road somebody's going to need them. And any time somebody tosses them out of the yard and says, well nobody knows what the hell they are. One of them really looks cool. It's actually designed for doing a plane cut. And it looks like if you look at the individual blades, they look like it belongs on a Klingon battle wagon. It looks like it should be a marker ID on the side of a Klingon battle cruiser. Seriously, it's really cool looking. But in reality, it's a carbide tool that costs about $48 per unit. I already checked the price. Got them for free. How much do they want for this side of the unit? You're talking about here. This unit here is $1,200. Now he sold all of those and he actually sold $200. We only planned on selling $110. So, it always says here that he's going to sell another batch, but he's going to up the price by $100. So, they're going to be $1300 the next time. Now, what he's really selling here is he's done all the software work. Understand that you plug in your laptop to this system, and you tell the machine what you want, and the machine does it. Well, they've got all the software programming for an AR-15 lower done. and there's nothing that the government could do about it. As far as I can see, it's like, well, what's your point? Other than the fact they've tried forever to restrict CNC so that they would know where everything is. Let me give you an example of this. Everybody loves watching like Orange County Chopper, right? Make this, make that the coolest stuff in town. Right. Here's an example of a waste of technology, but it's cool because he's having fun. The guy goes over to the wheel maker. And I don't know if you guys remember he wanted to make a commemorative to the .45 automatic. It was a gunslinger bike, right? And literally what he did is the guy made the spokes 1911's. There was like seven or eight of them around the hole that made up the spoke of the gun. Forgive me, of the wheel. He took over and told them what he wanted and told them what pattern he wanted. They had a 1911 to use for their pattern print for the CNC machine. Guys, each one of the spokes was a 1911 laying on an angle that made a really cool pattern to join up to the rim. Now clean that bike. Yeah, yeah, if you yeah exactly. Oh my god Well, the thing about it is though is that an example right there is that CNC machine can be cranking out frames all day and nobody would ever know except that there's proprietary software that they have for most of these CNC machines way or at least where they're surveying them because they're hooked into a Mother you know a mother system. Okay On the other hand, freestanding independent systems like this, which is what we are talking about, would serve one mission. I would never deviate from that mission. In fact, to be quite honest, I have the one machine doing lowers and if somebody thought they wanted to do uppers, I would buy a second machine and do that. That way it's mission specific and they would just be beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep be What's that? Oh, it's a brass AR-15. Heavy as a brick doghouse. Love this rifle. Talk about a stable gun platform. Oh my goodness. I do it in a classic Confederate look. Yeah, it makes it look like a Civil War battle rifle, guys. Like a Civil War cap and ball pistol, a Confederate model, you know, a brass frame. I'm serious. I already map it out. It looks good to do the green brass deep patina to it. Yeah. It just looks like it grew there. It would just be neater than hell. However, again, building ARs, the best way to do this, like we said, right now, Pick the cheapest parts, go for the cheapest bolt and bolt carrier. Go find the cheapest upper. I prefer a 20 and it used to be 20s were a drug on the market. Now it's the 16-5s because everybody thinks they need a tiny wood chuck gun. So the 16-5s are out there. Well, that's what you buy. Why? Because I'm building handout rifles. You're building weapons for auxiliary personnel or you're building weapons to put into a 5-10 program. And the cool thing is if everybody got together, hell you could even build a rifle for every man in the unit if they got their act together. It wouldn't be long at all. It wouldn't take long at all. Hell, it would take more time to talk about it than we'd be actually good at motion. Once you've got the machine, you just again, all the components come in from the different directions and congratulations, every man runs the machine himself and that's his gun, privately produced for him, by him. It's his extension's property. That would be the way to do it. Yeah, I'd find a way to get one Mark. I wouldn't put one in your shop and just you can crack them out. Well, it'd be somewhere else. I wouldn't have it anywhere near me. I wouldn't have it anywhere near me. I'm serious. This is so simple. Think about this. This could go down in a basement doing a corner and moving a bookshelf and going into another chamber and a whole bunch of silence patting on the walls and all it does is... Yeah, but don't forget the electric though, but it's paying for itself. Hey, it's 110. Here's the cool thing. It's not three phase. Wow. Think about it. It's a 110 volt system. It's off the wall. I mean, the thing is, you could even run the sucker off of battery packs. I mean, if you wanted to, big solar panels, battery packs, and it could be completely freestanding. That's what's neat about it. This is not a one foot cube. It's 12 inches. We're talking something like this. We're showing some of the pictures where they were running it in a garage and you can't even tell where it is. So the big thing is silencing it. And you know soundproofing like when you do a sound studio where you take the foam waffle padding that you use for making transport bags out of and you staple that to the wall. I've been in the sound rooms where they have absolute zero echo at the University of Michigan Sound Research. We could duplicate that without any problem at all. It's really kind of cool because they have the long cone foam. It sticks out maybe about 18 inches away from the wall and each individual cone does. But there is no echo. It is eerie when you get people to walk into the middle of that room and you have them talk. Not many people can go in there. It's a research lab but we had access to it so I can walk in and out of there any time I wanted. It's kind of cool. So hey, check this out. Wow, this is really eerie. There's no echo. The only echo is in your mind. Ooh, scary. Anyway, the sale numbers for the Ghost Runner may be far smaller, but at $1,200, every sale helps upon the activities of the Defense Distributed. I've never felt more optimistic about the ability of Defense Distributed to become an installed part of the future and to help create an expansion of the Second Amendment. There's hopes that defense distributed can become a significant civil liberties organization. That's the ambition. The wildest dream of this entity to have a marked material effect like that. These are the guys that came up with the 3D printer, which like I said was okay. That's understandable. But you remember its limitations unless you start doing inserts and things like that. The plastic technology guns have pretty well been perfected by the spook and kook industry. Again, remember, your tooling would run longer if you were running Polymer receivers instead of aluminum. But the cool thing about the aluminum ones, even more durable. It's a matter of priority. If I wanted to make a big pile of weapons that I could put into the inventory, the Polymer receiver obviously is the way to go because, again, their lifespan is more than considered to be industry standard for military operations. I would point out that the Polymer receivers years ago guys were bought by the government for clandestine operations. My assumption on that when I first saw them is, oh these are throwaway guns. In other words, they go in, they fire everything up, they're more than effective enough and they operate just like any other AR-15. The original ones cost the original Polymer ARs when the company came out with them back before the turn of the century. or middle late 90s when they really popped out. Originally they came out with a pneumatic disconnect flash hider which means they were set up for a silencer. They came with a flat top or with a standard carry handle A2 model. They were all short car 15 type rifles. Now you call them M4s. Now what's interesting is these weapons weighed 5 pounds total. That was upper and lower receiver made in plastic. Have you noticed that nobody's offering the upper in plastic? That's spook and cooke stuff. Yeah, and the interesting thing about it is that the guns were offered on the market for $1,300 a piece when they came out. Now, everybody realized, hey wait a minute, why are they doing this pneumatic fixture for the flash hider? And then everybody said, well, if you take this off and you had another fixture with the same kind of release like your pneumatic air hoses, you can clamp on something else that goes, poo, poo, poo, poo, poo. And by the way, the person who put that into the industry was also showing up down at the Ohio Gun Shows, the man who invented all of that, and he's very much a pro patriot, and he very much understands what's going on in the system. He explained to everybody, oh yeah, this is the mission of this thing to attach to that thing over there. Lo and behold. So what they did is when they started cranking out the second generation, the second wave, government mandated that the flash hider be welded to the gun. Attack welded. Two spots. Ain't that fascinating. That's how the guy was able to still market his Polymer rifle for at least another year and then it was off the market. What does that tell you? Because that was a trade secret! Now if you think about it, you can carry twice as many rifles for the price of one M16A1 in standard configuration. By the time you're done with a full 20 inch barrel and all the other dudads and a weighted heavy barrel, which of course with the government mandated, you're looking, you're pressing more towards the 8 pound mark, put a magazine in it, you're at about probably 9 and a quarter, close enough to 10 that two of these rifles One in each hand, five pounds each. Well you really could be like Arnold running through the woods, couldn't you? That's only like a quarter or a half a pound more than a Black Hawk or one of them four, five, four K cells. Yeah, except you got big 30 round mags or a couple of twin Bress the Doom beta mags. One in each gun, you're going, I am Arnold! If you cross your eyes just right, you can sight down each one with the opposite eye. Mark, let me get this straight. You get a laptop, you get one of his machines, and you get a block of metal, and you put the block of metal in the machine, and you walk away, and when you come back, there's a lower, there's a lower. Yep. You can sit there and listen to it, Ron. That's one of the part of what the ad was that he did with it, where he's sitting there reading a book, and the machine's just quietly going, Oh, but it will copy devices also or shapes? Well, you see most of them have, this is the problem, I don't know if they have a laser scanner on board or not, but there are several models that have already been produced that are table tops that are built for classrooms that allow you to map out a device to 80%, kind of like what we call, what do you call it, rotoscoping an object for toy manufacturing to make molds. It's about 92% correct. The less detail you incorporate, the more likely the object will be closer to being 100%. If you scan it, you can scan it at 100% now. That's not a problem. Personally, again, there's a lot of do-dads and stuff put on the weapons I wouldn't bother with if it was a wartime production weapon. And for that matter, any additional serrations and such, I would add on after the CNC machine because it would be cheaper to do it with a single step grinder than it would be to do it with your machine that's worth more money, worth your time to focus on building the basic weapon. example, serrations on the slides if you were building 45s. If you could do an air 15, a low receiver which is actually pretty intricate, this thing should have no problem doing a 1911 frame. And you know what, for years guys, I kicked myself in the arse. We already had one of these. Years ago, I was offered for $2000, What originally was a Colt mold for an aluminum 1911 frame. It was an aluminum infusion casting 1911 frame mold. I could have bought it for $2000. It was run by a company here that made 1911 aluminum 1911 frames back when aluminum was big when Smith was making the model 39 and then made the model 59. The molds for $2000. That's a giveaway. There was nothing wrong with them. It's just that they didn't want to do any more 45s. The gentleman was in his 70s and we were there in the right place at the right time. Now somebody got them, but we didn't get them. They didn't get cut up. They didn't get scrapped. I know that. I know where they went. It's good that they went where they went, but we could have had those. Now, in this day and age, remember that if you go to, oh wait a minute, if you go over to hint, hint, hint. If you go over to e-circleinc.com, guys they have all of those partially finished para-ordinance 45 frames. Like for $10, $12, $11, and whatever. And this little box would finish whatever was already started because the real tough work is already done. Just something to think about. See, right now it would be nice to do that AR-15. Like I said, I'd buy one box that would do AR-15 lowers and that's all she'd do. I would not interrupt it. I would never stop it. It would just be doing happy things. Make sure you've got to do PM, Preventive Maintenance. Find out what your preventive maintenance requirements are for any machine and be religious about it. You want that $1,200 investment to run, you better make sure you know how to run it right. That's the most common mistake made, guys. maintenance PM. Or I could just run it and run it and run it. Yeah, it's like firing a .22 and never cleaning it. Or just running a ramrod through it and going, you know, I looked inside the chamber and it's hauled, like, looks like it's park-rised. Don, that rifle must be clean. It looks like it's park-rised on the inside. Yeah, yeah, that's what carbon does when it creates a uniform patima. Yeah. That barrel's just golden. It looks so... Looks like I got a brand new finish inside that rifle. Oh you do? We got to find a way to get one of those. We got to work on that. Well actually it's Ghost Gunner. Actually they brought the subject up during the day here. Let's get this again. Is he building? Is he the manufacturer of that device or is he like a retailer? What he is, they are an association of motivated individuals that have brought the system together. I'm trying to give you the correct website. You know what I wrote it down? One of our callers got called in and said there was a little difference in the website itself. However, I went right to the one that has the connections. Hold on here a minute. You may have to scroll back through Henry's page. But the problem is the next ones are going to be $1,300 apiece now. They were $1,200 for this batch and he went a little farther than he originally planned with this batch. So that's being pretty reasonable. There's $200 that will go out at $1,200 apiece. The next ones will go out at $1,300 apiece. That's still a reason to try it. Yeah, maybe they'll be a better model or a better way. or some kind of a business. In other words, they've got the confirmation for the orders. Everybody's in line to do it. And here we go. Now this is the, I know the guy said that ORG, but I'm going to DD slash GhostRenter the page and it's HTTPS colon forward slash forward slash GhostGunner.net. That's G-H-O-S-T-G-U-N-N-E-R dot net. Again, that's the page I'm going to and everything is right here. It's ghostgunner.net. The email address, if you go to contact, the contact email address is crw at defdist.org. Again, the email address is crw, symbol, at that's CRW, CRW repeat, CRW, DEF, DIST.ORG. And the next batch of orders they'll be taking, they're increasing the cost by $100. This was an introductory at $1,200. They felt it would take a while to get this done. And apparently, it didn't take very long at all for them to go through the projected number that they needed. And that's already done. So now the next batch will be $100 more. That's the only difference. Otherwise, there are some videos that are done to be artsy. There's a piece that was done that's on YouTube right now about the ghost gunner. It's just the idea that it's surreptitious. It could be anywhere. You could never know where they would be with the ghost gunner. It's like they're trying to come up with some BS. The propaganda, it's turning around in their head, the propaganda name that they came up with out there in the anti-gun world for trying to ban anybody from making their own weapons, which is what they're trying to do. So hey, we're getting closer to a war. Good. Whatever happens gets it started. Fantastic. Anyway, if you want to go to the Defense Distributed, Defense Distributed is the channel on YouTube. The video is 2 minutes 45 seconds long but it's not the only video they do. It's called Ghost Gunner. That's Defense Distributed is the channel. Defense Distributed, two separate words, capital D at the front of each. Defense Distributed, that's the channel on YouTube. The name of the video is Ghost Gunner. That's not the only video they put out but let's see. There are several others that are from the same page. Let's see, Ghost Gunner makes homemade guns easier. And of course they've got the one idiot that made a total fool of himself yapping about firearms. In California he proved to be a complete idiot. It was a political hack. As it shows, as it demonstrates, the whole thing can be carried by one person, put on a work, at a work point, plugged into the wall. Why shouldn't this be more complicated? It's 110, plugs into the wall, and runs. Now as far as the basic operation, remember I'm sure it's very user friendly. However, again like I said, find out about PM, preventive maintenance, that's the most critical issue that we have to deal with is PM. Yeah, you're going to have to buy more bits for it and stuff, I'm sure. I mean, you can't just, I mean, how long is the bit last? Well, the aluminum will be pretty forgiving and even, I don't know if you've looked, but some of these ARs like that certain companies put out were awfully crude and rude on their tooling, you know what I mean? I could tell. Well, we were pampered because the standards for the Grand were so high that machine tooling specs were never dropped. With the AR-15, what they've done is taken the German approach and that external finish is irrelevant. So why worry about tooling marks, which in this case there are none that are serious that I see. But I've seen pretty crude and pretty poorly, again, maintained tooling, leave bar marks or at least scrape marks that normally with high machine shops they wouldn't allow. Or they'd burnish them out, which is typically what you do. So in this case, high tooling processes, qualities decent. But it's basically a classroom CNC. It's like I said, it's on the desk. It sits there in the middle of the desk. It goes beep, beep, beep, beep, and you would learn to run a CNC machine. I'll bet a tiny one. But it would give you all the basic technology information you need to understand CNC and how it works. That's what's cool. And in this case, it's all in a box. Guys, you walk in, plug and play, and then you have an AR-15 lower. That's C&C you're talking about with Orange Johnny Choppers, that's a 5,150,000. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like man, what he was building there, what it means is that he already showed you though he made 7 .45s in how many minutes? You know what I mean? Or how many an hour? But they were mimic copies, external copies, but okay, throw away the .45 slide top that was fake because it's just a piece of metal, part of the metal that's cut. Think about it. How long would it take to make a 45 frame with a machine like that? Not very. If the software is in place and you had all the tooling programming ready to go and it's ready, boom plug, then it'd be beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep But you could also make it make it cruder. Here's an idea. What if you just made a copy of a high pointer? They're crude rude They're far less sophisticated It's almost like you could do that on two axis. Yeah, here's another one that I've said before I think could be fun What if somebody made an all-metal Glock? Why does it have to be plastic? You know what I mean? Think about it. It would actually be a stronger gun. I'm sorry I don't care what anybody says. It would be a stronger weapon, but if you made it an aluminum If you made it out of a block of aluminum or brass, if a Glock will hold up with polymer, it would hold up with a brass frame. You see what I mean? Brass is a whole hell of a lot easier to work with as far as metals go, guys. The only thing is when it gets tired, you're going to see more roughage and burring. on the parts. In other words, you're going to see machine strokes. But let me ask you, would you really care if it was a wartime production weapon? The Germans eventually learned when they made the G43 rifle. They changed out a lot of philosophy and policies, for instance, the bolt and the receiver were an infusion cast struck component or it enforced depending on what year it was made. You know, it struck forged, clunk or infusion cast. Now, a fusion cast, you got to be really careful, but it can be done with steel, okay? And then what they did is they only finished the surfaces that needed to bear contact. That's it. Everything else was left just the way it came out of the foundry. And you know what? Those rifles worked. That's the thing we need to be thinking about. If I'm looking at wartime production, fit is a concern. Finish is not. Purdy doesn't count for Jack with me. Does the thing go bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop? Oh yeah. And then you have a concern. Oh, forgive me Mark. That one Orange County machine was a water jet, remember? It was water. Oh yeah, well actually it depends on the machine. Some are water. What that is is your oil bath for your tooling. That's an infusion system, depending on what he's got. There's a couple different machines. Some of them are actually water cutters. In fact, they had the ability to cut 18 inches of homogeneous steel back in the, actually, my dad was telling me that when he was dealing with Milwaukee years ago, they had the ability to cut up to 18 inches of steel with water, but they didn't have the technology to scribe it, you know, to scroll it. And that didn't happen until more recently here, but they've known how to water jet steel for more than 100 plus years. The only thing they could do with it is direct line cuts where you shove the metal through. You have a guide and you could be cutting boards off a log. That was the best they could do with it. But when you think about it, you're talking about creating a water jet under pressure that could cut 18 inches of hardened steel like it was going through wood. Think about that. Guys, that's tank armor. There are tanks that the Germans, well think about this, the Tiger Tank, what's it famous for? Tiger Tank on land had the same armor that a lighter heavy cruiser had on the ocean. Its frontal armor and its turret face armor was comparable to a heavy cruiser's armor at sea. The Joseph Stalin tanks, the JS-1s, 2s and 3s, just as bad if not worse for how much armor was there to cut through. I ain't talking about going out there and cutting with a water cutter, but I'm trying to give you a perspective. Those tanks took a lot of beating face on and weren't even phased. This would cut through that metal like it wasn't even really there. Plasma cutters are amazing because they do the same thing. What's amazing about both water and plasma is when you're done cutting, you can take your hand right over there and touch it, can't you Don? Oh, we still got him. Sorry about that. Here we go. I'm talking to us. We need to have you, first of all, night vision technology. Give us some update. Fluffy wants to go in on this conversation. Oh, repeat. Go ahead. I think Fluffy wanted to put something in on this. Fluffy, jump in there if you're there. I heard somebody else, but... I thought so too. We just had a milestone here, didn't we, Don, for night vision. Something just went out the door. Oh, the last... Green screen viewer was delivered yesterday that I'm aware of and that went out after the 200 were purchased. Remember we talked about there was over 200 and then over the weekend they were gone? I was able to get my customer probably the last viewer in green screen. That means in first generation viewers you guys we've got white light now. I've got a first generation. Actually I have two first generation gun sights that are still green screen green light coming out of the device all to another piece of night vision let alone to the human eye you know it's it's a little bit of green light might you might wonder for a second but it won't be that flash of white light from you know placement for first generation we talked about this at the beginning of the year and you know three-quarters the way through the year and we're seeing it this is I've got a first generation gun set I can put it in your mailbox for $390 right in your mailbox. Everything you're going to get from the manufacturer, the right in your mailbox. You're going to get the detachable illuminator. You're going to get the carry bag. You're going to get the two year warranty, $390 right in your mailbox. My phone number is 2317968458. Again, 23179658. Goggles or gun sights, green screens or thermal. I have a handheld piece of thermal right in your mailbox for $1,895 right in your mailbox. My phone number is 23179658. That piece of thermal will come to you overnight right from the FLIR company. It'll say FLIR right on it. It's official thermal vision. You know, you can use thermal in the daylight. Another good thing about, well, is that camouflage over there? Is that, let's see if we've got, you know, something looking back at us right. You can use thermal in the daylight you guys. That's just a heads up there. Granted now you're going to cut your overall time in half because you're using it 24 hours a day. The right tool for the right job. Absolutely. We got Fluffy back? Yeah, I wasn't audible before. Go ahead. I thought you had something to put into the previous conversation. That's why I was trying to give you a little shoulder room there. Appreciate it. The only thing I knew about the water jet stuff was I read they didn't have good materials for longevity of the nozzles, if I'm not mistaken. Well, the biggest problem is they could do it. I mean, even in this crudest form, the idea is that they had figured out how to do it, projection and manipulation, and like we said, being able to scroll and roll. That was all a matter of hydraulics and perfecting the technology so it would be more mobile. Like I said, materials to make it functional because it would have to be durable. Carbide was part of the component, was part of it along with titanium. That was the other area where they went. Titanium of course is many times more durable than steel in terms of operation, but also, wait, that was the big thing, trying to lighten the system up. The machines that they built were just monsters. The girth and the level of engineering involved also negated their value for a lot of different parts of the industry, which is why the steel industry didn't take off. Now, it did go into stonework, though. If you think about it, water cutting stone processes have been around now for quite some time and everybody has seen specials on those and things of that nature. But it's interesting that we had the ability for more than probably 70, 80 years before they could actually bring it online. I understand what we have said originally, the classes they were giving, it incorporated seven centrifugal pumps that were hacked, one on top of the other. That's how the design works. I've always been fascinated by this because it's just the idea of God help you to get your you know Any body part in front of a be just you'd be like wasn't even there be like we're in front of a laser beam Oh, it's a water jet. That's a boom. Oh your fingers. Oh Oh, that's water a water a cut. Well, you just found out, you know, you like put your skills off. Yeah, right away And of course it wouldn't be as merciful because there wouldn't be no heat. It wouldn't condorize it. It would be like, oh, it's still bleeding. Oh, God. It seemed a little late about that machining thing. Well, we brought it up this morning and I think hopefully we helped to get it moved. Because we were talking about it this morning on the air and by the time we got to this afternoon it's like a lot of stuff out there. People are on edge. and a lot of people are looking for solutions and a lot of people are ready to fight. I've been trying to explain to everybody, just now if you don't want to talk anymore about anything, just get ready to go to war. That's what's happening. The first solution has been taking existing inventories and that's been going on for a long time. I've seen armories that put most militaries to shame. that are privately owned, some of them by companies, by private men who own companies that are pissed off because they were American companies, they wanted to do their job and they've been screwed. I've seen armories and arsenals that go on into mountains so far that like I said, just in the front areas alone, 106 recoilless rifle rounds side by side with 155 artillery shells and I had to turn sideways to walk through the tunnels. And the tunnel to give you an idea is about the width of three Ford vans in width, about 12 feet in height, and stacked from floor to ceiling and from wall to wall. You want 14.5 millimeter cannon rounds? No problem. In fact, what flavor do you want and how many miles of them? That's what I've seen going around the country. I mean, I've intentionally fallen asleep. I don't want to know where I went. I don't want to know where I went. I know where I went. I don't want to stay there with him. I'll tell you that. But I just like, you know, you got to see this. You know, their idea of fun was to walk out. You know, let me give you an example. Well, Oracle is having some fun. They grab a case of, you know, East German star shell flares and that would be the fireworks for the night. A case. And they just keep popping them off. Don't worry. There's 500 more down the tunnel here. I mean 500 more cases down the tunnel and then American and then Japanese and then like I said 105, 155, 75s, pack howitzer shells, you name it. Everything to go with them to make them go boom. In fact, not by onesies but by batteries. In other words, multi-gun batteries. That's all lovely. the I like cars. Everybody here, you love cars. We love bikes. We enjoy playing with machines. I don't look at somebody and go, oh, blast you for owning that, you bastard. See, that's what they want people to do. It's more like, oh, cool, he must like that. I think it's a piece of garbage. But he must like it. So don't keep driving that cheap ass limo that was made half the size it should be. My idea of a limo is I have to just walk into it and when I sit down I'm in comfort. I laugh about a limo today where it's like you're in a stinking cigar tube. You know what I mean? That's not a limo to me. That's just simply the fake image of a limo. But on the other hand if he loves it, congratulations, thumbs up. Apparently it's his world. I'm not worried about that. It's when he thinks that I can't have my limo that I bought because he's got his limo and you need to envy his which means I shouldn't have one. Even though I might have had to sell everything to own the same car he's got. I shouldn't be allowed to do that because it's outside of my class or my stature or the communist feel that I don't deserve it. That's why I want to shoot him. Or that they want to use it for? What? You guys have 900 foot yards Mark? Are you kidding me? Well, that's my point, is I don't care if they have the yacht, they're somewhere else doing it with the yacht. If that's how they spent their resources and their lifetime, that's good. See, I don't even have a problem with any of that. It's like the Ukraine thing. You know, they were showing, look at the opulence of the President's House, and it's like, guys, most of it was from Lowe's Hardware, half of it was from BK, you know, a Bud-K Gun, you know, the night gun or Bud-K Knife. Take a look. I told you before. Take a look at it. And they said, here's a gold, you know, gold with a wash tub or a gold, whatever. It's like, really? Are you sure it's gold? It looks like rhodium plating to me. Yeah. But you see, through the windows, we got these guys looking at it. And it's like, well, he had armor. It's like, yeah, I can see where that came from. China sport. Okay. What's your point? You know, and even the ornateness, guys, go down to the, if you, if you were willing to spend just a few more dollars, Go to Lowe's and look at all the intricate crap you can buy right now. I would love to. I would love the gingerbread a place out so it would look like a Victorian mansion. You could do that right now. You know what? You'd still be buying China Sport. How could they afford to make that for you? Why? How'd they do it? They'd say, look, this crap all came from China. It's all China sport junk. That's the only first thing to remember. So when everybody goes, ooh, look at what he's got. Let's see, parquet florist made in western China. Let's see, very ornate tile. Oh, it's very pretty. Made in communist China. The slaves lost their fingers and their lungs doing those. Now, beautifully ceramic beaded this and ceramic beaded that. You know where you get it from? Communist China. Go take Google the octopus. And that's the yacht for Paul Allen, the co-owner of Microsoft. 850 feet long Mark. Isn't that cool? And think about it, you know the last thing you hear is while he's on the back deck was Martini. Wow, I guess that does think pretty fast when you hit her with a couple of rounds, doesn't it, sir? Yeah, yep. You have survivors? Yeah, he kind of sided with the Israelis, so we're treating him like they would have treated the crew of the Liberty. Wait a minute. They got to their lifeboats. They put it on the computer and fixed this. Yeah, they got to their lifeboats, but that won't make any difference. No. Know what I mean? I'm going to do for you what the Israelis did to the crew of the Liberty. 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I know you're just about at the top of the hour, so maybe you can address these questions over at the top. But two questions. On the detox formula, once it's fermented for 14 days, do I strain that or am I just going to put it right into the... Leave it all right where it is. That's a good question. Everything stays right inside. It continues to percolate and the tincture continues to strengthen. Okay, great. And then also on that gun machine that makes guns, I know nothing about that. You probably already explained it thoroughly, although I didn't start looking at it. The best place to find the story is to go to www.FromTheTrenchesWorldReport.com. And Henry has two or three stories posted in the scroll, including the update which we were just talking about, where they've already sold out of the first run, which actually they sold more than they originally planned on making, but that's good. Right, okay great. I watched the video this morning about it. My question is this, if you purchase the machine, how much would it actually cost to actually produce a weapon? Oh, well, okay, the basic idea here is you could go with, and this is what I need to get some questions answered. They're looking at, it looks like they're actually doing, you know, take a block of metal, put it inside, which would be the cost of the metal, which would be minimal. They grind it all down. After that, it's whatever finish you want to put on the receiver, I'd paint it. And then the rest of the parts, probably another $200 or $300. If you were to buy the parts off the shelf, you could probably go less. I think you could get it down to about $230 to $240 for the rest of the parts. If I were to go minimal cost and it would be a good ladies gun by the way and that's really what the to me the car 15 was it was a great it's a great utility weapon for auxiliary troops. It would be a good weapon even if it came off the shelf. It's a great ladies gun because minimal felt recoil. It's also a great older persons gun, minimal felt recoil. So I've always recommended the AR for that reason. And the other thing is with the adjustable folding stock, again now you have five point folding stocks. I could give that rifle to an 11 year old and she could go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. She could hand the rifle to you, you could extend the stock out to where you need it, and you could go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. You could hand it to grandpa who might be 6'6". He could extend the stock out the rest of the way and he could fire it the next minute. Okay, that's great. Now let me ask you this. If somebody purchased the machine and started manufacturing the weapons and then selling them, I mean, would there be any? Could you make a... Oh, they probably... See, that's where we have to be careful is that you see, the receiver Yeah, the receiver is a restricted item, but you're producing them for personal use or for obviously, you know, somebody's going to be producing them for personal use. The big thing there is that you don't do it like you do grocery shopping. It would be a friendly operation amongst friends. And the only thing I think would be even more fun would be to come up with an off-the-wall serial number and a company name or a fake name just for the hell of it because the machine can do it.