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For even now as tyrants trampled, each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Good. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the first hour of the Afternoon Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Hernke. And I'm Don Bechter. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west central south and southeast well ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on liberty tree video dot 4 mg dot com indiana freedom talk radio dot com we're on a m and f at micro stations c b base stations and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Hallmark Network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. 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Well, it is the 29th day of September year of Our Lord 2014 and the ISIS crisis is right here on the local news. It's not even the national news, but you know, it's the ISIS crisis. ISIS crisis, it will kill you. Remember paranoia? Paranoia, it will destroy you. Blah blah blah. They can't play that song now anymore, can they guys? Exactly. That has to be on the no playlist. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you. Paranoia, it'll destroy you Ferguson and oh you know a couple of cops have been shot over there recently. Marcus a little thought line there one in the arm and another you're going down the road I don't know where he was shot but somewhere around Ferguson going down the road I don't know what portion of his body. Both cops have been shot there as of late and you know a couple people have been arrested with guns but you know how does that go this is just you know part and parcel of the in product of where they can herd and push particular peoples. So if you're kind of dumb and you want to run out there and say, they shouldn't have shot that suspected murderer times three. That copper shouldn't have shot him, but copper just about received the beating of his life and the agent was turning back for the second round. At any rate, it makes me scratch my head and wonder what type of people would run to support that. Now the other thing Mark, you and I talked about this over the weekend, and I was just made aware of this like last Friday, late Friday. There's a video out there of a cop pulling some young black man over and he rolls into the gas station. The guy gets out of the, I guess it looks like a minivan or something. Might be a full-size van for the narrowness of the view, but he gets out of this upright position and the cop tells him, here's your idea. And he says, I don't have it. I'm going to get it and he turns and the cop says, get out of the car, get out of the car, and the cop's got his gun on him and he turns real quick and the cop, you know, bangs off two rounds right there and a guy hops, kind of skips away off to the left, his right, left of the field of view and a cop puts two more in him and then he starts yelling, get on the ground. I don't know if you guys have seen that video. That happened the fourth of this month and that's, again, it took me until this past Friday. I wasn't made aware of that for a while. But there's two sides to that coin too. If you're looking at somebody and they've got a gun on you and you probably don't want them to shoot you, you don't move real fast. This is one of the basics, you guys. They fired that cop, Mark. It seems to me that could almost be a coin toss and when it landed, it landed in that boy's favor. Now the next thing that they talk about you guys if you've seen the video the cops yelling get on the ground get on the ground Show me your hands show and he's you know, I want to use putting the cuffs on him and he discharged four grounds You know boom boom boom boom and the cops rolling this guy over putting a handcuffs on him on the ground asking them Are you here? That's that's almost you would think that that's in a Batman movie or something mark I was shooting blanks and I hit you with something. Well, if you discharge the firearm and you're within room range, and by the way, the distances are the equivalent to being inside a house with regard to the shooting. Okay? Okay. Three steps. The problem is, are you hit? Well, what were you aiming for? I mean, first thing I think of when you see characters do this, it's like, are you hit? It's like, did you miss? Yeah. Boy oh boy apparently this youngster was shot once in the hip you guys There's a lot to be learned from that you know the basic action again the coin toss because you know it I would bet four five of the Cop internal review panel and and two of those like City Council or something That for if not all of the five cops initially were saying that that was justifiable And then before the review came out, well, they had to turn with the city council and tell them, well, I guess we're going to have to fire this guy. But, you know, it could have been a coin toss too, Mark, whether the guy kept his job or not. Well, the basic rule is, again, because you know the situation with the police state nowadays, and they've made it so bad for themselves that everybody is pissed off at them. They've made enemies, everybody is now perceived as the enemy. They can repeat to each other in the classroom that we're all the enemy and they're the royalty. So the problem you've got is you're dealing with somebody who's roided up, possibly, sugared up, caffeine'd up. And on top of that is very nervous. They brought it to a state where they could almost expect to be shot. It's a terrible situation to say out loud and to speak into history like that. It really isn't. But they have whittled this hunk of wood to this state, haven't they? Everybody's pretty well had enough in one form or another. I mean and again they might well, what was the reason? Oh, you're just a camel straw. You decided to piss with them one more somebody one more time or you know Just beyond what everybody else in the racket and the bureaucracy is done and you happen to be at the focal point Congratulations, you get the feces pie and that's see for the regime. It's like well, well You just roll over in bag and if you're properly roll over in bag everything will be fine Wait a minute. So think about that. Now, as it stands, the first rule is when he was saying, it's like, okay, what do you want me to do? That's how you stop him. What? Where's your ID? Okay, my ID is in the vehicle. Now what do you want me to do? And you keep asking questions, by the way, and you slow everything down a lot. Oh, I need to see your ID? That's not what I asked. What do you want me to do? So you force them to have to lock the brain in so they can't say they were confused. This is kind of an inversion of a class that I used to give that was mandatory. I'm sure it's been dropped because that way you can get away with mass murder and all kinds of things in the military if you get a chance when you've got the right old bummer officer and the right old bummer NCO in charge. But the class stems from the old mealy massacre and all the ways you can give orders and people can extrapolate. They can interpret your order. Well you don't want somebody to interpret the order because if you're the officer in charge, whatever you say, they'll try to come back and throw it on you. So instead of just saying, and the classic one is Hey Sergeant, why don't you take those prisoners and why don't you go take care of them? Okay? And of course under the assumption that everybody knows we have a process, an SOP, but here's the problem with that. By saying it the way that the officer, and by the way that's what came from the old William Cowley thing is, well he told them to take care of the prisoners. And everybody knew what the SOP was. Everybody assumed everything, supposedly, when in reality You know, small arms fire in rapid staccato and non-stop is pretty obvious within a couple hundred, three hundred, wait a thousand yards, and there wasn't anybody that was that far away when the mass shootings were taking place, guys. You know what I mean? And the screams of people and stuff kind of, well, yeah, your ears might be ringing from small arms fire, but it is kind of obvious. Okay, so... The argument that somebody didn't understand the order, well, there's a matter of nuance too, which is why you also argue that you have to make eye contact. Look at me. Now, there's a reason for doing that. There's no, well, I saw him raise his eyebrow, or he gave me a wink, or he gave me a nod, and that meant something else. See, that's the problem with what you're dealing with here. You're dealing with snake oil salesmen or lawyer wannabes or those that have been coached by the shyster lawyers from the uniform end. So you have to slow things down and even then it's like I'd rather you jump up and scream and holler and throw me to the ground than me go after my ID and then you go, he was going for a gun! Which by the way, When people have been in cars, people have been standing outside their cars, people have been standing there away from a vehicle and reaching for the ID that was demanded while they rattle all the BS off, only to be shot the next instant for going after their ID. Over and over and over again. It doesn't mean you're just wearing a carry. It could be your wallet, it could be your suit coat, it could be in your glove box, I don't care where it is. The guy standing in New York about two years ago in his doorway reaching for his wallet. The cops loose 49 bullets on him. What did they hit him? Six times or eight times? Double action revolvers. Reaching for his wallet. Double action only revolvers by the way. Remember we talked about that. That's where they got that idea from. That's an old British thing. You know, bobbing the hammers and making them double action only. Seriously, I don't know where the goofs came up with that idea. It's one of those bizarre things where it's like, obviously you've been reading too many outdated British police state articles about the Enfield revolver. And I say, just keep plugging away, eventually hit him with something, don't you know. And remember also, throw the barrel at them. Throw what I say, like you do in the old westerns. There you go, get about six more feet per second. by throwing the barrel at him like you're whipping somebody. You know, whipping him, point the barrel, boom, and boom. There you go. Yeah, that's faster. You didn't hit your, excuse me, didn't hit anything either, forgive me. It's the nature of the beast. So again, with the adrenaline rush, the roids, the sugar, the caffeine, all the other fun stuff, remember what you're dealing with from the get go. Then on top of that, remember the kosher mafia conditions. Everybody with homeland knows suck-urity. That's S-U-C-K-U-R-I-T. Suck-urity. And for that reason, you're all the enemy. And they've been told, yeah, it's like when you're killing Palestinian women and kids. Just lie about it later. Ha ha ha ha. It's exactly what they do. Over here. But, pointed at you. So, something to keep in mind and pay attention to. It's got a lot of work to do. Another thing on this too is, from both directions, of course you see the comp is in the same situation in reverse order. Only in that, again, be precise about your instruction. Hold. Where is your ID? Do you have your ID with you? Where is it? See there is the whole process so somebody was not trained and they were not ready. Here is the thing they do not like is when you actually come up with an SOP and you train to the point where it is dull but it always is dull and so since it is not exciting why would you want to do that? Well it is real simple. It works this way. by repeating them and getting the shot. Yeah, exactly. Wow, might be good to have a real fixed SOP with a whole process that everybody needs to be reinforced and reconditioned with. Repeat, repeat, repeat. That's the basic rule, guys. And it's one of the things that needs to be done. Anyway. Even reflecting on that different instruction and throwing instruction at that young man that's just stepped out of that van, when he turned into the van and back to the copper and his arms in the car reaching for what the copper assumed to be a gun, he should have told him, stop. Let me see one hand behind your back. Let me see the other hand behind your back. Instead, you know, He yelled at him, get out of the car. That's what he yelled at him to do when the young man got out of the car, didn't he? Only there were, it seems to me, two shots. And this has been another thing, and we'll talk, I know it's not a weapons Wednesday, but we'll carry this conversation a little bit farther. It seemed to me, if you look at it, there were two shots while that young man was like quarter turned to him, almost at his back before he had turned completely around. So review the thing for yourself. But This man is turning toward the cop, which is a lot of times people say Or you know the victim the person who was shot by the cop if he dies from those shots the victim's family says he was shot in the back Well, if you view this film again, we're referring to it. You can reference it over and over It doesn't take long for a human body to turn from you know 180 degrees away from you or even more because this young man turned almost three-quarters of a complete turn. That half turn, it doesn't take long. Even three-quarters of a turn there doesn't take long. But a lot of people who are shot by cops, they might even be bringing a gun up or the cop might think it's a gun. And when they see the gun coming up from the cop, they start to turn away in an instant and the cop, continuing that thought line, lets loose. So that's how a lot of people who are shot by cops are shot in the back. It's just a thought line there. We've seen this even demonstrated on 60 Minutes in martial arts magazines. If you know where to look, you can see again this comes from the school of someone with a knife being 20 feet away and the guy with his handgun and his holster. And all of a sudden you know about that person 20 feet away and all of a sudden he's running at you with that knife. Can you get that gun out and bring a shot to bear before he brings that bladed instrument, that bladed edged weapon to bear on you? Most people can't from 20 feet. Seven yards? No, it's not even seven yards, is it? But again, we've talked about reaching time over the years, haven't we? We've talked, this kind of is... But we could do this whole conversation again tomorrow about communication too, right? Because as you point out, Mark, a lot of communication was missing there on both sides. And look what it resulted in. But again, this one hasn't been brought up to the mainstream like the Thugalicious, as he's been referred to around here in Ferguson. So I thought I'd point that one out, you guys. Thank you, Mark. And think about the whole process here. especially with the you know up-and-coming events we're looking at all of the Escalations that are to be expected I guarantee that they're already flapping their yap where after the beheading incident we just had here with the Black Muslim the black militant Muslim That attacked the people of the co-workers killed one beheaded her tried to you know stab the snot out of another one the manager of the place had a gun, why? Oh he just has to be a cop, reserve cop, so he's privileged, you're not. And so the privileged came up and finally dispatched the bad guy while everybody else had to wait for that to happen. Well, it's appropriate. We've had that talk about a gun in the workplace, haven't we? Most employers will run the mandate, even if you've got a concealed carry. We frown upon and we do not want, and it's against company policy for you to bring your handgun to work. There's a big, big liability thing in there because they don't want to get sued. A lot of, and we've talked about the liability thing here, Florida, Texas, and Michigan, if I were to, or one were, let's remove me from this equation, if one were to, and practice some proper English here, if one were to shoot a criminal while he's involved in a criminal action that might threaten someone else's life, and that poor fellow goes to the hospital, let's do this in increments. Well, it used to be a long time ago, even if he was convicted of that criminal action, he could turn around and take you to court and sue you for his medical bills. And you know what? Generally he'd win in an anti-gun environment. He'd win. The aforementioned states, Florida, Texas, and Michigan. If it is judged by the gun panel, Michigan in particular, I know has a gun panel, I don't know if it happened in Florida. That what's his name, Zimmerman, that shooting went to a gun panel before it even went to court. But here if the shooting happens from a concealed carry person, it goes to a panel to be reviewed if it was justified or not. If it in itself was not a criminal action. Because, you know, sometimes somebody's got a gun and they might go off half-cocked. We talked about that last week. I don't want to go there. But when you run this in these three states now, if one were to shoot a criminal and he goes to... he cannot sue you for his medical bills if it's proven by the board that he was justified. And if he dies as a result of that shooting, His survivors, you know the family of the crook cannot sue you Because you took away our income or well, you know, he was our major provider or she Cannot sue you because well It was a justifiable shooting. So again, you know, it goes it runs over in that direction at least we have that board I wonder, you know board that decided that that cop needed to be fired from his job mark. I wonder what review board thunk that one up. It must have been the toss of a coin. You guys, you know, it makes sense and to a certain extent the guy with the gun over there is a lot more of a threat to you than the guy with the gun barrel placed right to your forehead about reaction times. Unless this guy is just so wagged out crazy he's going to just kill you anyway. I've done this with a number of people. You take the rubber band gun and the trigger works and it shoots the rubber band and it looks like a little pirate gun. Hold this to my forehead and try to shoot me in the forehead before I can get out of the way and move the gun. I have to even take the gun from you. Do that exercise. Some people, as soon as they bring the gun up to your forehead, they shoot you in the head with a You know with the rubber band. Oh, see you can't beat me. So again, that's the that's the wild and crazy person that that's just part of the equation that that's the anomaly if someone's going to shoot you they they might shoot at you start shooting at you from a distance but that person who bears a gun right to your forehead He that's intimidation and granted that might be your end But if you work on this and if you're generally as fast as the average man or a little bit faster If you're moving your head and sweeping your hands up to move the gun in the other direction, you can get that motion off before the guy figures I better pull the trigger. Now if he pulls the trigger, the bullet goes past your ear. These are basic reaction times. We've addressed this before. The basic reaction times that were exhibited in the film were way out of kilter on both ends. I'm going to shoot this guy because he's turning. I'm going to reach in here as fast as I can and get my ID because I'm really wanting to keep this cop happy. Boy, oh boy. Again, this only points to what we've come to. That young man was jumping like he was on the end of a leash or he was being driven by the puppet master. Watch this video for yourself. Now, we have to say, like the guy who stepped in front of Tony Stewart's car, and I don't say this in jest, he should have remained in the car and put both his hands hanging out the window so the officer felt a little bit safer as he approached the vehicle. You know, all of these shoulda, coulda's, and woulda's. But the miscommunication and the mistrust, all that's exhibited right in that. You guys, we've talked about this wheel's turning and that wheel's turning and World War III can't be avoided. But this is what we're seeing there is only smaller gears, what one might call planetary gears in a transmission. They're spinning now, but If they're just not being used to drive, you know almost every gear in your transmission is spinning no matter what gear you're in. But they're just not being used to transmit the power. But what we see right there is part and parcel of where they want everybody to be. They've driven, as you point out Mark, every cop that walks up to a vehicle is told that he needs to treat this like this could be the end of his life and everybody in there is a bank robber murderer and they were the cousin of Osama bin Laden. If not, they can fake it out by artificially adding information to the data file once they get a driver's license from the corpse and would explain to you all about how they were sure that if there wasn't a bank robbed, he was probably thinking about robbing a bank sometime in the next 10-15 years. Or he was, Ben Lobbins' cousin, and we can show you. He still was. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Yeah. Well, here. Go ahead. I'm sorry. This is a visual communication thing. We could do this just as well on Tuesdays. The information that is conveyed in that video is meant to make you cower, make you think that, boy, I really don't want that to happen to me to make you think that it's like business as usual. Take your pick, but all of them are demonstrated there, aren't they, Mark? Every one of them are demonstrated there. have to dwell on this. I yield to you, sir. Like anything else, the more you spend, in theory, the more bells and whistles you get, and it's typically true. So, Don, how can we get ahold of you? What do you have, and what are those changes, please? Well, chronologically, right up front, the phone number, if you want to talk to me about night vision, how can we get ahold of you? My phone number is 2317-968-8. Again, 231968-968-968. what do you got? We got goggles and gun sights. We got green screens and thermal and we got generation and green screen. More on that in a moment. We can go second and third generation green screens, goggles, gun sights, binoculars, monoculars, something that will hang from your helmet or the top of your M16 type pattern gun, you know, your AR-15, your AR-10 and what are the changes? We've, since the beginning of the year, the day I was made aware of it the next day we brought it to you. This generation green screen is being phased out across the board in first generation, what will be known as first generation. In the not too distant future across the board will be the innards, that's a highly technical term, the interior mechanisms, converts photons to images from a DVD camera. Same technology moved into a night vision body. I produce white light coming out of the device. I've had to talk with everybody here and I've had to talk with the manufacturer and we need to change this and they don't see anything in the distant future. We'll see what comes of that though if we keep leaning on them. I've got a generation gun sight in 4 power and I've got a first generation gun sight in 6 power. I can put it in your mailbox for $390. Now that's only $15 more than the price of the 2 power one. According to the manufacturer, that's supposed to be like $39 or $49 more. But again, well, the manufacturer wants $149 on a good date. If the salesman hasn't made any sales yet, he might ask you for $479 for the same device I'm referencing here at $390 right in your mailbox. It is 308 capable. That means it's going to live on top of that or sustain that type of recoil. If you want to talk about that, again, I don't have any first generation viewers in green screen anymore. They're gone. I have 393 of the green screen in four. We've seen 200 disappear over a weekend. Two weeks ago, we talked about I have 206 or 216 of the power viewers, first generation. Monday, they were gone. So if you're looking for a green screen, first generation gun sight, It will thumb screw down onto your picatinny or your 1 inch picatinny or your 7'8", your weaver rail. Thumb screw right down onto it with the integral rail built right in because it's purpose built gun sight. Again, .308 capable, again more of that, underscoring. It's really a gun sight. If you want to talk about that, my phone number is 231-796-8458. I got a simple analogy. When the train leaves the station, they're done. We've addressed this since the beginning of the year. I don't know how many of that 393. That was like at 4 o'clock last Friday. I heard that number. So I don't know how many of those are left. But if you want one, my phone number is 231-796-8458. We can talk about a second generation gun sight to power. Write in your mailbox for $248. right in your mailbox. Manufacturers are going to get more than that and they're going to get delivery too. 308 capable device at 2 power. 2 power is plenty good at night you guys. You could go up to 4 power or if you get up to around 6 you're moving enough magnification into the front that while you're interfering with a lot of light you better be putting a bigger front lens on there. We've addressed this over the years. Again my phone number is 23179658. or gun sites. I still talk about night vision goggles every now and then. But 23179658. Thank you Mark. Very good. And again for everybody out there, why are you buying from a stranger? Why are you dealing with somebody you don't know when you've got Don Betcher here? You can deal with him. And if you've got a question, talk to him. Figure out what you're going to do before you purchase. So you might actually move in another direction depending on what Don can give you in the way of information. What you thought you needed and what you actually need in the toolbox are two different things. On that note, here's the thing, Don, entrance third generation. What right now is entrance third generation? What's the first pickup that we can go to for the best price? Well, you kind of cornered me there. I'd have to go over into the catalog. I haven't put a third generation piece out in a while, but if you look over to a third generation gun site, at 4 power, you're right around $32 or $3,400. I know that's a lot of money, but it wasn't that long ago. It was like $48 or $5,400. And those third generation pieces are being fielded militarily right now, along with fourth gen. So you're talking about the reason the prices come down. is not so much because of lack of interest. That's not the case. It's a production increase. When you can start to crank out more, that helps bring the price down too. Those are military applications. Third Gen is going out to a lot of different people. Secret Police, a foreign country secret police, military forces, etc. And with the secret police in the US receiving all the federal tip money that they are, the good thing is that it's actually helping to bring down or crank out the numbers needed to bring the price down where it's affordable. So some people are asking, well, what about third? I've got to have cutting edge. Well, talk to Don. Don can find out. There's something in particular you're looking for. To be quite honest, if you're going to play dirty, if you're going to be mean, third and fourth generation will be yours at your discretion down the road. Oh yeah, it's like the butter knife thought line. Yeah. Yeah, only when you've got a person. It's like a first generation gun sight or a trip wire and the ability to be very close to one or three or ten people. Right, exactly. And the idea that Second or first gen can get the job done. You're not going to throw it away, but it's a way to create a force multiplier. It allows you to strip the enemy dead warm, pull what they have after you've isolated and separated. In other words, call them the way they think they're going to call everybody else. Separate and segregate and destroy that element that you isolate. And be prepared to move quickly to strip it bare but naked. The other thing about this again with the different overlapping technologies is again, no matter how old it is guys, we're going to be pressing it into service. It's kind of like an interesting article. Listen, I told you so for everybody out there about improvised armor. Henry posted it on From the Trenches. Some of you guys may have already read it and it's an I told you so only hell they went with looks like D12 or D10 bulldozers for at least one of the armored vehicles Don so it is tracked. It's kind of bulky guys because the engines up front okay but that is an advantage too. However it looks like the one image that they show the first one that actually is on the top because it probably looks the strangest. Scale is the most important thing. Take a look at the guy standing there. Pay attention to the size of the structure that you're looking at for scale. Understand that, like I said before, armor of any kind changes the dynamic on the battlefield, guys. Fast attack armor doesn't have to be a clank clank 40 ton or 30 ton tank. It can be just fast attack, lightly armored vehicles that can offer most small arms and fragmentation protection and move and scoot. Enough protection to keep you alive but not enough to bog you down. What you gain in protection, you lose in performance. Always remember that. The more armor you put on, the slower you become. But it's a matter of what are you trying to accomplish? Armored trucks are a cheapie. Armored trucks, not the way you're seeing these brand new 90s and 2000s and 2010s teams pickup trucks running around. No, armored trucks. We've talked about this many times. That's another thing that's quick. I would recommend something. Remember guys, two vehicles that are optimal for armor conversion. Number one, cement trucks. Front-center drive station. cement trucks. Now why? Well, if you're going to armor something up, it's got to carry a lot of weight. Plus... You've got to tilt too already. Yeah, how much tons of cement are... Yeah, and fluid. Now you take off that extra motor you don't need for running that box, and you take that bucket, and you take that bucket off that hopper for the cement, and what you do is you weigh the thing. Then you take everything off you don't need but look at what you've got. Multiple axles that even are hydraulic or pneumatic, hydro pneumatic retractable. Now that's an advantage because when you need speed you don't need as much rubber hit in the road but if you have to go across country which is why the trucks have these and they have weight this distributes the weight almost to the level of tracks These are the cement trucks that have the center loading or control driver stations. The driver doesn't even leave the cement truck anymore. The helpers do any of the attachments for any additional scoops, and a lot of them even have picker, hydraulic picker systems, that allow them to take an add sleuth ways to move the cement. And the guy literally targets it like a gun, moving it in. Well, we're not going to worry about any of that. We don't need most of that. But everything you take off means you've got that much more space for armor and for guns. Whatever size gun you want to put on that thing. Now from experience, another really unique construction vehicle that's probably one of the best for a, again, cross country, but also for a fast attack vehicle that will have a low silhouette. Cement trucks have a fairly low silhouette. They'd be about the height of a heavy like a BTR 60 or a more like a like a T-72 in terms of height. Okay, maybe a little taller not much. But in that slow when you consider some of the stuff you've seen improvised the reason is that the vehicle itself Lends itself towards being able to be built squat something to take into consideration The cement truck they are great for self-propelled guns self-propelled artillery self-propelled rocket with armor the whole nine yards So you protect the crews etc now? the all-terrain high low slash oh, that's right forklift Guys, they're designed to be able to carry how many tons in an extended boom that has the ability to articulate. Now think about the weight of the fixture up front, but understand this. The back end of that vehicle is a big slug of steel to counterweight whatever's up front. The cool thing is ground clearance. The other thing is industrial grade drive train. The driver's station is in a nice central but side mounted location. Now you take the hydraulics and all the support technology for that off the front, and you take that god awful heavy counter weight off the back, and that's how much armor plus the shipping, the lift weight of the vehicle. How much can that pallet rack unit move in terms of cement blocks and how high can it lay them. Remember when you can put something higher, you've changed the center of gravity, your balance point. And if you don't refer to handle that, the thing has to have a good wheel base and be very low center to begin with. Now you take all that extraneous junk on and you add off and you add your armor, you still have a very low silhouette. Well centralized drive station, plenty of room for all kinds of other pop pop boom booms and lots of lift capacity to move steel if you want to add it. By the way some of the stuff you're taking off might be handy to cannibalize to put back on. Just keep in mind if you're looking for steel let me give an example. Those cement buckets, those cement drums, Take a look at the shape of that and consider that if it's all cleaned out on the inside, which they typically are, and it's cut in half. And then with a little more work, hey, you've almost got an armored shell there, don't you? Now you're going to add more steel, but right off the bat you've got something that's designed to take a whole lot of weight. It actually has been tempered and tempered beaten on the inside. Have you ever thought about that with what's going on? Yeah, how do you make armor guys? Face hardened steel. How do you make armor? How do you make case hardened armor? Have you ever seen the guys bumping on stuff with armor? You ever looked at a factory when they're doing some of the last dust up and they're hardening the outer surface plate of the old plates on the tanks? You know what they're doing. You know it takes all those pictures and step back and look at them and start thinking, what's that guy doing? There's a lot more to it, but it's not that complicated guys. And here's the thing about armor too. If you have another armored vehicle you can resurrect, remember that armor does not go stale. Armor does not outdate. Whatever the protection potential of a tank built in 1955 is the same armor potential today. It has the same protective qualities. They don't go bad, they don't go stale. The steel that's there in fact typically can't be made today. You were right, it did not wither on the vine. Yeah, it's like old grapes man, it just withers up and it's like a raisin. Really. That's what people don't realize. A lot of the tanks you're going to be seeing out there by the way are already 30, 40, 50 years old. A lot of the Euro companies simply keep rebuilding and reconfiguring to the latest de jure flavor of outer armor cover while not changing the original armor underneath. A new turret can make a whole hull look completely different. Yeah, or they just cap it over with more steel. Probably the best example, the Italian M24. Oh no, forgive me, the M41 Walker Bulldog. Guys, they didn't retire any of those. They just made them look like an Abrams. And everybody goes, look, Italian, the new tank. Yeah, from 1962. Yeah, the new tank from 1962. What year is it again? If it's French, it's probably powered by a flathead Ford. That's right. The American. Because only the American make the fine vehicles. Well, they do have a few Renault things here and there. But even all the Renault stuff is typically American made, guys. It's our pattern. So nothing is outdated, but I want you to take a look at it. It's the amazing and bizarre homemade Kurdish armor fighting ISIS in Syria. Now I'm going to tell you something. It's not just that direction. ISIS slash the Israeli-Israeli was only been blessed with more money from the Jewish bankers. ISIS gets all its bucks from the Jewish bankers. After all, how are they marketing that? It will, because it's over there in the Anbar Province area controlled by the Israelis and the Jordanians. Oh, that $2 million a day that one refinery that they've captured is said to generate for them? But of course they're saying they're bombing that now. But you see, my problem with that is that oil had to get out of the country somehow. Where are the located guys? The people who control that pipe cavity right there are the Israelis. The Israelis killed everybody to get that. They murdered everybody. Remember all the Iraqis? We murdered and killed and murdered and bombed so we could get the Anbar province under Jewish control. Remember Anbar? Why was Anbar so famous? And where does the Anbar province go? Oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, oi Anybody that's got steel laying around, wouldn't you find the oxyacetylene torch and go to town? I know I would. If I can't get this one working, we'll just take that and put it over on that. Used to be a golf cart. Yeah, congratulations. She's a little overburdened. Suspension's a little soft on the turns. Remember, take her slow. But otherwise, She'll go to town like there's no tomorrow. By the way, when you touch off that 105 on the roof of that golf cart, oh, I hate that. I was just going to say, but my deuce. Yeah, hang on. You're going to beat me there. Go boom. Well, see, that gets into something. At one point, armored cars were the solution in the poor days after World War II. Not that World War II didn't see a lot of them. The AML 90. The AML 90 armored car guys, they took, actually it was first it was the AML 50, then it was the AML 75 and the AML 90. Can I tell you what the 501, the 7.5 and the 90 stood for? You're talking a four wheeled armored car, basically building what I told you if you took the chassis of that all terrain forklift. That's what the AML 90 is basically or the old Humber Pig. There was a name guys, Humber Pig. But the AML was used quite effectively. They mounted even a 90 millimeter tank gun on that thing. They went from a 50, which is still in service, 75s, which are still in service, and AML 90s, which by the way ended up in the hands of, and variations on this, ended up in the hands of South Africa. against the Northwest African armored forces made up of T-54 55s. When you think of a lot of armored vehicles, you think tank and the aforementioned turret, at least a gun cupola. Mark, when you reference over more like gun transports, then they become assault guns. Yes. Now think about this you guys. I haven't crossed paths with Mark in a little while and there's this one picture I want to show him and say, what is this? Because there is a field of them ready to go on a ship going into the South Pacific or going into the European theater and they are a gun transport. They look like a tank, but instead of the mobile turret the walls are built up around the top of the hull there's a big gun in it and there is no roof no armored gold on the vehicle most of those are the M24 Chafees not the Bulldogs, they're the M24 Chafee that chassis was built up with a 75 and even a 105 howitzer but a 75 millimeter gun and basically it was our answer to the German assault guns like the Marter III, Marter II, Marter III, and the Stungeschütz, except ours, like you said, didn't have any roof. The German counterparts were completely armored. We have some of those. We actually have three of those that we resurrected. I found one in a swamp down by Monroe. Those particular vehicles were actually quite nimble and like you said it was a simpler design so it was cheaper to put a field gun where it needed to be. Right and keeping weight if you are concerned about weight. The problem with it is if you are matched against infantry it keeps a wall between your gunners and the infantry. That's the good thing right? That's what we want right? If you have a heavier gun that the chassis can bear, well now you've brought something else to the playground, right? Cool. To put a roof over something, you guys... that goes over too well, it would be good to have the hand grenade bounce off the roof and roll down the side of the hull instead of the hull. Everybody inside would be a lot happier. The thing about it is that they also did it with the Rhino, which was a Canadian solution to the Sherman. While they actually built a very small number of them as full battle tanks, typically they became, I don't know why, it's really easy to spot them because they have a micro turret in the front that holds a machine gun, much like a mini version of what was on the Lee Grant tanks. Now that's why they're easy to spot, but the tank itself is no bigger than the Sherman. Now they did take some of those and convert those into self-propelled guns. We also have to remember the Bren gun carrier which was called the T10. In the US, we made, I think, 35, Ford, Ford Motor Company made all these. The Brits made 20,000. The Canadians made 20,000 or 25,000 at least, and there really is a missing number there because they believe it could be as high as, I don't know how they could lose these, but they weren't really keeping track or they lost the records. It was a monopoly up in Canada. They say they could have produced as many as 35,000. We produced about 40,000 of these and they did several variations of what you're talking about Don. They actually boxed out the front, gave it a little more of a conventional tank, Glace's, because the Bren gun carrier has a pulpit off to the drivers on the right, the gun stations on the left. And we have quite a few of these by the way in their original form, Mark II's, not Mark I's, Mark II's. And they made several hundreds of these as light assault guns. by changing up what was in the nose. Those could be some of what you saw too. They actually made them with one more bogey wheel, made them a little longer. They made them with heavier armament. They didn't add overhead cover though until later and there were some variations, but they make them look very boxy because the... There were most of us seemingly 90 degrees here and there, but these were large chassis. These were big guns. I'd like you to see this picture one day. It's not a priest. But the point is, if you're armoring up even your Humvee, do you armor up the roof? Your Humvee's already got a roof on it, unless it's one of those with the back porch kind of deal, right? Until the early-middle 50s, most of the Russian armor, like the BTR 152, the BTR 60, Let's see what else would be out there. Well, in the 152, the BTR 50 and the BTR 60 were all open roofed. The Russians very quickly armored over everything. Everything has got a roof on it. Rather than riding with the troops open and being able to leap to the side like tank riders, They are armored over the roofs to protect from mortar, fire, grenade, air burst artillery. That bit of steel makes a big difference. It won't protect you from everything, but I'll tell you what, a lot of the little stuff that shouldn't have gotten anybody will if there's no cover. That's why it's a good idea to have it. Now, the balance is this. If it's a small vehicle, Uh, light armor, not only in these overhead covers, but you need to get a lot of it before you can cut it too. Exactly. Think about it. Anyway, it's about the power guys. We are at the top. Down your number for night vision please. It is 2317-96845-8. And again guys, if you have any questions, please call down. Don't hesitate. The first gen situation is where we told you to be. It just got here faster. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march. Both day and night. When we're talking about improvising, consider this. small flat screen units and little ice cube cameras used for vision blocks so you don't have to compromise the armor. Something to consider but you gotta have optical backups guys. Anyway we're gonna go we're gonna be out. Dog, your number for night vision closes please. It is 2317968458. Again 2317968458. Thank you Mark, God bless you. God bless you America. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com.