September 24, 2014
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Mark Koernke and co-host Joe McNeil discussed firearms and ammunition on Weapons Wednesday, focusing on pistols including the 1911, Tokarev, and CZ-52, and their ballistic performance against body armor. They covered ammunition availability from suppliers like UNAMO and GECO, emphasized proper weapon training and shot placement over caliber debates, and shared military anecdotes illustrating the importance of marksmanship and understanding weapon capabilities. The show also announced an upcoming drawing for a 6.5 Carcano rifle and discussed the historical significance and reliability of various firearms including the Carcano, M16, and imported Russian weapons.
- 1911 pistol
- tokarev
- cz-52
- body armor
- ammunition
- ballistics
- weapons training
- shot placement
- carcano rifle
- ak rifles
- marksmanship
- preparedness
- firearms
- military weapons
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A little chilly this morning, but sun's coming up and everything's getting really, you know, like a fourth day of September, year of our Lord 2014. Yeah, beautiful day. Different days, though, you know, the strike down the middle of the week. So with that in mind, 11 in one hand and an empty magazine, well, to be redundant with the use of the word, but I've got a magazine in the other hand, so they only naturally go together, don't say, and touch that five releases. Man, we've got one in the chamber now. There's a lot of people don't like carrying a 1911 with one in the chamber, but we'll talk more on that later. The perimeter is the key. More where that can be. I've got to say something. How many years I've carried a 1911 loaded? Oh yeah. I can count it in decades. I mean, seriously, for the time that I carried it in 1911, I can measure it in decades. Because I live, and I was thinking, you know, it's like, Did you have one in your sock? No, no, that's where the knives are. I carried my box cutter in my hat. No, no, that's where you know the yamakul with the razor blades in it. Remember it's like a crispy hot shot. I wonder why his hair won't grow. But the fact of the matter is guys, you know, again, they're years old. Everything else is for the foundation work is that old 45 made, you know, for the Beretta. It's like, they're metal is it like dope. Hollywood names were carrying 1911. No, Beretta is this. Yeah, warfare units were carrying 1911. Doesn't mean they didn't drag along the Beretta onto fun pistols. Because guys, I like the Tokurov 76225. You know, I was watching I was watching some video, I was talking about this last night, they had a demonstration using a 76225 Tokerop with ball ammo shooting into the latest and greatest Kevlar vest. And they hung the vest on a wooden post, a 4x4, and they stood back about 10 feet and fired around. The bullet went, it didn't go through the Kevlar. But it took the Kevlar into the 4x4 so deep that they couldn't pull it out they had to cut it off. If that had been somebody standing there, I can assure you they had Kevlar sticking out their back. Exactly. Our reverse hernia. There you go. You have become one with your Kevlar. By the way, don't pull it out. This is keeping you from bleeding to death right now. That's a fact. You always see in the movies they do that. Okay, something. First thing he does is he pulls it out. Big chunk of something where it is, as long as it's broken off, like right there at the bellow breathing, you know, beating and it doesn't, you know, if it's through his heart, who cares, he's dead, right? As long as you leave it, there's, when you pull it out, impact injuries. We've had this happen over here, you know, people get, you know, fall on rebars and stuff. They don't pull the rebar out at the site, what do they do? They cut the rebar out in front and they take him to the hospital and let people in order to do anything to take it out. or a nail through the head or something. Yeah, we'll all pull that out. No, no, no brain leak. Put one in on the other side and connect. But you know, that's another thing. Now remember that this is the longest time. Tukra pistol, in fact, body armor, if you don't have a key on the vest, because body, but because it is so common, and especially about 10, 15 years ago when they were really cheap, even in waves, if you look at body armor, if it doesn't have the key, it won't stop. It will actually say model, you'll see an ID number, and it actually has a key designation for Tokyo. The rest of you guys didn't know that. Yeah. Let's qualify that because technically the few moments ago maybe an inch or three inside the body. We didn't say it was bulletproof. And that's true. It's a bulletproof vest. No, no. Get that out of here. There's a bullet out there that will go through this vest somewhere. It is the most common method. What's pulling the best out of it? In all honesty, just looking at it, I would rather it not go through. Just go ahead and take the Kevlar with it and just create a big hole. Yeah, like I said, become one with your Kevlar. Well, yeah, they're just like 1911. You know, it's a slimmer, smaller version, care packs, eight rounds. It was the answer to how the 1911 claimed that we made it. There is no Wright Brothers, play-climbed guys, Potato, really. But he wasn't a Potato Phantom, he was like the Arnie Choker, he was very bad. But he had any of these weapons now, for instance the Tokarev. I mentioned Erl's ammunition, and partisan, and shoot the reloadable ammunition if you can right now, because that way you can save that military hot ball for the very thing we're talking about. No different companies are carrying it that have been receiving inventories of preview right now. He believes that he might have some left if you go to UNAMO. www.UNAMO.com The reason I bring them up is because these smokers have always put... The cool thing about UNAMO is it's down towards Prescott, Arizona or down in Arizona way. The guy has got... mostly I think it's coming out of Mexico. In fact, I have pretty well... sure it is. He has that on a regular basis. He sells out of it though too. The gun is made in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania or Serbia. And these guys have been making ammunition for as long as ammunition has been made. everybody are run for their money making a better product. They didn't lose any of their expertise. Is it accurate? If it's coming out right now, it's hunting season. A few companies, the federal used to be like, man, go to, it looks like at least 3D Partisan, try this Partisan, Winchester, and the price of the ammo is about. Well, whatever action cowboy gun, or if you've got one of those two separate classics, manage up that little wave that's coming in. They're the only company that seems to have been paying attention, that kind of, they just came in, from $11.95 a box, keeping that down from the average price. A poker of ammo, again I'd stick to both by $25, $7.99 in that respect. We got a bunch of those, I ain't gonna send them in. Back to reload, really bright and shiny, very nice ammo. Richard again, West Virginia. Here, hear that? That's your papers. Okay, your package is in the mail and you've got some heavy stuff. Somebody has a nice anti-tank gun faced into the depth of 1900s. GECO shoots clean, it's not real dirty ammunition, high grade, good quality, and they're making it in pretty much all the standard calibers. Came out in a wave here at this last .45 ACP for Don's 1911, and a bunch of calibers, which is what GECO is famous for. 25 ACP, .30 to .380 Auto. Fully priced, you might get a deal from some people because this wave just got released from customs out there in force. Mind that it pretty well matches your military policy market, too, and that's what they are for, for how to speak. They've changed color in the, you know, like change boxes over the years. Red and black, you know, they've picked red and black, but that's the only change. Otherwise, it looks like they're still leaning their primers and their lacquer sealing the cantaloure on the doors of the brass. I'm supposed to ask you, Mark, about the, what is this? The CZ-52? Never, hang on to them. and never get rid of that gun. If you've got a CZ-52, the advantage of the CZ-52, all of it and everything but for you can handle hot submachine gun ammo. And in the future, if we ended up out there scavenging, I would remind everybody that there's a lot of peckish ammunition or CZ submachine gun ammo that's out there. This is a 1911, okay, wait, a lot, we intentionally built this way, the, uh, all of it, and then they made hot loads and had to worry about interchanging ammunition. Now, submachine gun loads for the .45 are the French safety, the ammunition, is they made the primers. If you put a French hand-gun load in your 1911, they prime. A machine gun, even if you dimpled it with a .45, when you close, when the bolt slams shut, typically most sub-guns are open. Both are made first time every time. When you see for the sealing of the primer for the kennels, they made it in .42, they made it in 9 millimeter. They made it into French, and they made it in 45 ACP. Now, the next made hot loads for some machine guns, because some machine gun, remember, was not just in the Cold War II, but the war troops, the cold, well, the Czechs didn't want to have to decide or pick and shot ammo, and some CZ-52 design isn't double anything you want out of a CZ-52, which is why if you've got one, hang onto it, but buy more mags. I'll tell you not to buy a CZ-52. Contrary on this, and I will tell you to do that, three mags. expensive just like any other magazine does nowadays because they don't seem to have gone down in price. They seem to keep going up. The aftermarket mag costs half the price of three mags. If I'm going to go to the ranges and shoot my pistol, I'm going to take the mags that are cheaper and shoot them at the range and I'm going to save my specialized factory mags for when my life counts. If I'm going to carry the CZ-52, I'm going to save and put less wear and tear on those factory mags that are very mags and I'm going to try to keep them right there handy with my combat boat. But if I go to the range and I'm gonna practice with them, I'm gonna use my factory aftermarket mags so I wear out, nobody thinks that way. And here's the thing, well, my magazine might malfunction. Guys, if I have a malfunctioning mag and it malfunctions uniformly, you wanna know what I do with that magazine. First I fix it, obviously. Well, but it maybe can't be fixed. Maybe it's got a dent thing or it's badly made. Uh oh, I got something down here we go. Anyway, I marked that mag with a, with a... When I take the mag and I put it in my inventory and use it as a training mag, if I know the gun malfunctions, that magazine malfunctions on the third round, I can use that as a training mag to test somebody for immediate action drill. What do you do when your weapon malfunctions? Well, you do this! Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click but they just function not as well sometimes. For mag, for rain, for training. And I'll wear it out if I got you showin' I needed to train you, I'll be using those mags. It can save my very expensive, or my more expensive military mags. You know, I'm gonna be involved in war when I'm out there in the field and I need to carry it. And I've spent another 22, so you know, an 18 dollars a mag. I have some others, because I wore out my goods, and I use those for training shooter in that way. The ZZ-52 is a fine pistol for the place. They even came in, both the 22s, and grips the whole nine yards. A pretty stinking little part. And that thing only sold for $109. Yeah, and now, especially if you stay smart, things together. We're a little more expensive, about $160, firing pins, 20 frames in every category, and everything's short of frames. And then if somebody finds a frame that somebody else has stripped, you literally could walk in with that stripped frame and put every one right back to make that come. Well, those are cool things that are in the past. They're not there now. But the Tokarev ZZ-52, Both of those incredibly reliable. The check gun is a little step above the torque rest in terms of cost to make. Reliability is comparable. Performance is higher because the gun was built to work like a brick doghouse with all the other ammunition that's out there. And it will. 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Or call 731-441-3293. That's 731-441-3293. We now return you to your regular escape program already in progress. Coach, you're listening to the Morning Inch-Out Report. I'm your host, Jim McGill, here with Mark and Don. And it is Weapons Wednesday, and that's what we are discussing here. I have a lot of questions going on here in the chat room here, Mark. Is the speed of the toke off enough to overcome the mass of the .45? Oh, how are we? Don, we've argued this for years. Many, many times, Don. On the one hand, we'll discuss this. Here's a .30 caliber and all of these. If you need to hit something where you're gonna snap and crash, you're gonna find me shooting in the crotch nowadays. And if you get stabbed with a 30 caliber bullet, or maybe none of it, but I hit you in the hip, I go through and I shatter a bone and pain, and I hold on to nerves and ganglia around that area that mashes things, creates an extra bung hole, save my bullet status. By the way, be able to mark my startup energy. If whatever you're carrying, the idea is knowing where to put the bullet condition to center of mass. And you'll notice that they still got me running up against this dense or center of mass You guys is a shooting at your target all center of math is center of math is couldn't get the broad side of a bar This gets into actually competition guys, you know when you're evaluating shooters you get a relay together You have everybody print the piece everybody does five rounds But you know with the color relay when you do one relay like this and you fire everybody fire you bring them Bring the target, you know back off the range and you just lay them down on shooters You'll see the bullets are any directions there with little, but you'll notice that it's all in the same spot and it's not the logic is that just needs to be adjusted. He's aiming and how he's controlling. It's kind of different thing all over the target. The logic behind center of mass is that for different people you could run into, if you have everybody aimed towards the middle, you're the only one who's really regret this and how many stories? Well, the one hit his shoulder, his knee, another one hit him in the side of the chest and oh, and it's forgotten all their training. Or they never had it. I mean, with cops behind repetition and your tax dollars being spent, The more panic you are, the more adrenaline rush takes over the possibly going to be. And that's why, again, it gets exaggerated with panic fires. We'll try and suck everything we're supposed to be. Well, we needed one step farther. We need to master the weapon so that, again, we drop down into the groin area, as I've argued. If I aim the center of groin, or jerk the trigger, well, the bullet at least is going to go up into the center of mass and it's going to get something. Drop it, I might weave in the head, maybe I'm really jerking the trigger. At least maybe I nick him in the ear, hit him in the eyeball, anywhere ever. At least the bullets stayed on target. But that's how you do it. You keep looking. And if you've trained everybody properly, that area, no matter what armor they put, I don't care what they hang there, it doesn't make any difference. If it's an ice stick, a lot of energy into that, and you're getting different states, we're delivering a lot of energy, and it stays on the target and penetrates. So the energy is the target area. And so shattering something and being able to penetrate, But the advantage of the Tokarev, and this is where we get into the tools and the toolbox thing. If you figured you were going up against somebody who might be armored or in a vehicle, which remember that military application, and that's what that means. Right. They go right through them car doors and what have you. Yeah, I think they threw it out the other side. You know, through the other side, they still do damage when it gets to what's inside. One of the reasons, driver, typically are not always armored because they feel comfortable they got something around them. And besides, there's a lot of body parts that don't have body armor. You're trying to just, you know, get cumulative damage with people reading vehicles. Yeah, well, keep firing, don't worry. Keep putting victims of the things some of this damage. We carried a 9-millimeter, we actually had 9-millimeter of US military 14 years ago. It was taken overseas. And Don, what happened when they took it to the Philippines and to China? So a lot of those officers that carried it as sidearms when they found themselves in close combat were over, perhaps even the arm they brought. We've seen some wrestlers, haven't we? They're running towards you, that mask, keeping going, damaging heavily, anything vital poses until he... Systems are engineered to... So the wars that are 16 could be carried in a battle like Vietnam, because what was the opponent's size and weight? Maybe 100 pounds, 90 to 100 pounds, 5 foot 2 inch, you know, a grain bullet into it, somebody bigger with a not 6 in many ways. 3 is nothing more than a scaled down point to point. But remember, Vietnam, M16 when it was originally issued, standard arm of the den, although it was still the arm, the M16 in numbers, overwhelmed. Again, but in each case, I don't want to get shot by a Tograv, I don't want to get shot by a 25 automatic. By anything for that matter, because the first rule is remember, if you don't think it's dangerous, go stand over there on the well, like my brother in the well house, and I'll take this ops up and ain't rounded on you, what do you say? You just took up the offer, you know, that's an obsolete weapon, really? Oh, for that matter, the carbine. Well, him and carbine, she doesn't have a whole lot of weight. I don't want to get shot by her. I understand its potential. All of these weapons have been lethal and interesting to understand. Now, as a whole, they are aggressive, experienced, and knowing where to place, and simply deciding what you're going to make the effort to develop. One of the guys I know was in Korea, actually, with a gun. He did headshots on the Koreans when they were on the perimeter. Kerry the Neigot revolver that he captured off one of the, uh, one of the Chinese that had gotten it from. That's what he used while he was over there. Now that they got, acted like he didn't see him, he said, well, but there were a whole bunch of his buddies right behind him. When he goes, I got him, right square, middle of the head because we're figuring he couldn't be, he had a face camouflage. I looked like a guy who did a good job, but my life depended upon it. That's what makes you point out what's your opinion, what the weapon is. See, that's why I've said many times, that 6.5 Carcano. You know, guys, I have a lot of those. It's not a great gun, you know what? I guarantee I, because I've shot that weapon for years. I'm very familiar with the Carcano. Well, I think anybody that has something that sends a projectile downstream should be happy. private hill. Now let me give an example. Private hill was the one we had in the company. He just was nervous. He was a nervous young man. He tightened up eventually. But when we were on sentry duty or on watch, no one in mr. Hill was them. Because mr. Hill got nervous. I'll take mr. Hill with me. And everybody asked me why he's my scarum shot. But when we got in the field, we were trading, we were securing the armories. Okay, you only get three rung shots. Right? And they got a hundred rounds. Yeah, exactly. They brought all the bullets to the game, they wanted. What I'd do is I'd take Hill and I'd have him with me. You gotta remember, we just come finally qualified. Okay, well everybody else was in the warm-up tent out there and they were going to make sure Mr. Hill finally... Now he did. He was a nervous young man. So what I did is I said, okay, Hill, out of his mag. And I put those two, give him the signal. Fire Hill, over to the fire alarm and pull every fire alarm as hard for the sentries or for the MPs. They'd be closing in hell before... But if they think that that arm where he's burning down, every stinking fireman on the planet will show up. They'll come with him. That's to return fire. That's what Mr. Hill... Everybody can serve a purpose, and everybody can be part of the... part of the... And everybody can, you know, do a job. Understand the potential. Same with weapons. Let's point something out. People go, oh, that's an Italian Carcano. We used to play Carcano because it's a weapon. We're gonna have it a drawing. Guys, there's a lot of World War II veterans, soldiers, that kill... If you don't think they're lethal, and if you don't think they work, Well, we didn't walk through Italy in one day, did we? Walk across North Africa in one day, gather more often. You know, there's a big joke. The Italians are as bad as the French, you know? You know, issued once, you know, try the same soldier or something. Oh, I surrender again. You know, that kind of thing. You know, the Italians, you know, they were good units, they were bad units. They were still an unmotivated troops. But I'll tell you what, a lot of people got shot by those Carcanos and they kept up with them and they worked. The good that made them kept making them. Think about it. You make your body up. What's done your whole thing? make a hit and that person will wish to god they were not shot. Be in your mind. If they were thrown at you, you would adapt to the count. The first rule, and that's why I don't degrade anybody, because you know what? Somebody show up with a weapon I don't like, get serious, but mustache bob, that nay got revolted from the incident where my family was ever at risk. By the way, any time that was suspected that there was a problem, he had to carry that in Korea. He had to change his life. Korea's with this. I think I could kill you. What? They didn't take that. You can keep it Bob. Yeah, I've got enough people to keep this. I don't think you're gonna be a problem. Hey, let's squeak this thought in before the end of the hour. Let's rewind a little bit and talk about, uh, they're almost like the Chinese as far as copyright. You know, at the end of the war, the Russians were flying 29. Mark, you've mentioned a number of times that an aggression there in the war between the states that had a hand in other because he was close to that battle. He knew a number of us were developed in that time. After the war ceased, he sent a general here to purchase 100, you know exactly how to spell it, but you pronounce it gruul. It says going ready to put it. Four, he had them put on a bison. If you ever go to Knopk Creek and you look at those, but you look at the Gatling gun at the back, there's this little brass plate and it says Gatling gun and the serial number and the date it was produced. It says all kinds, it says the caliber, all kinds of neat little informational, all of the stuff that were now in the Russian. This is a true story, you guys. I thought I'd squeak there. We haven't brought it to the hour. Since I know that there are a lot of questions, everybody listening, remember that there's availability, guys. I've mentioned this many times. When the SAGAS, let's get back to a gun, a Russian gun, that now is like, way up there. When I first started talking about the SAGAS, 75 dollars apiece. Not unless you're buying a piece. Oh, so it's here for what I wanted. Yeah. Well, look at the price. Nothing has changed with those SAGA rifles. came out it's like I said the reason I pointed them out is $59 a piece from China they were sending in the used models $39 a piece retail paid for those $39 $39 they paid about $11 a piece on the high end but I mean it won't remember the FKS is $69 we'll use that number because that was something Oh $59 and $69 there's a rifle in China for those then you have to pay to get it here but still you know it made 400 shipping and everything they also didn't Because of that, America got armed a whole bunch of really decent weapons. AKs were brand new for $125 in the box with three magazines with a sling. Remember when they first came in? They were in the crate with everything. The box with a nice little box cost about $13. Americans coming. You guys have time for another hour? Are you going to be up? You have minutes to take a break? Uh, yeah. I got a call from Jeff last night. John, can you hold around for just a little bit? I can hold around for about an hour, yeah. Very good. Okay, let's do this. We're at the top right now. Once you bring up, there's been a change in night vision, guys. We told you this would happen, and it's already taking place sooner than expected. We can still talk about guns, right, Joe? Yes, sir. Okay, I'll take. Okay. Well, here we go, the Republic. That's what we are on the march, both day and night. None of us are buying not for... You want that 1911? You picked that 1911 up, because yes, it's got a bigger bullet. We bought it and built it for a reason. But don't get rid of the other weapons you have, because... We'll be right back folks. We have another hour of Morning Interim Report. I'm Joe McNeil and we're going to be filling in for Jeff Bennett here this morning, so stay with us. Hi folks, Ryan McMullen here for Life Change Tea. 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