September 4, 2014
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1h 1m
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed tactical rifle team operations, focusing on equipping a five-person fire team to support a precision marksman at extended ranges (600-1200 yards). They covered night vision technology options (first and second generation, thermal), ammunition handling and storage for accuracy, team coordination techniques including having a dedicated reloader for bolt-action rifles, and lessons from militia operations in eastern Ukraine. The show also included announcements about range maintenance at Ogama Ranges and an upcoming Colonial Marine Militia national meetup, with discussion of border security issues and tactical scenarios involving vehicle-mounted targets.
- precision rifle
- night vision
- tactical team
- bolt action
- 308 winchester
- 50 caliber
- ukraine militia
- ammunition handling
- marksmanship
- team coordination
- ogama ranges
- colonial marine militia
- border security
- long range shooting
- preparedness
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His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children are people. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God, keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free? The drums the drums I hear the drums good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. This is the First hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Kornke. And I'm Don Betcher. 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We turn back to the East Weep Cross Plains over the Mississippi and land of the Smokies with the restaurant crews grabbing Team Tolkay Team to the Mobbell Grammar Consortium bring us the Golden Spike down. It has been a busy day. We got just as I came in I had to slow down a little bit put tools away I was figuring okay I'll get one hour I can finish a bunch of other woodwork but We just started to get a piddly rain so I had to scoop up the pack of micro kittens and who are out there playing in the taller grass and Then put the tools away and the little program you went but it's raining a little bit out here What's it like up in your neck of the woods? What's the date? What's jumping off the wall? Well, some of that rain might get here It's coming across that big Lake Michigan pond thingy there and you know on this the fourth day of September You know, the fourth day of September I could sing a blues song about that. It was the day they shut off my phone and now I got it turned back on. But again, I wasn't here this morning. Marg, I apologize. It's just a matter of shuffling, you know, funds around. At any rate, it shackled in some way or another, aren't we? But again, it is the fourth day of September. You're by Lord 2014 and my phone's turned back on. Alright. So with that in mind, whole bunch of different ways we could go mark it beautiful day it's going to rain it's probably going to rain buckets because there is a front coming through the midwest here you know michigan ohio coming here out of oh jacago a lot of things are spreading across the nation out of chicago you know the other washington dc or the other illicit capital that's another way to put it at any rate uh i apologize for this morning mark Well, I'll tell you what, we've been busy enough as it is with some of the issues that, forgive me, that Joe's had to take care of. It's been a pretty busy week in general, although it's a short week. You know, Monday and Tuesday hit us and everything was compressed. Guys, we've got a lot of work to do here. This weekend coming up is hitting us sooner and we have a couple of announcements here. Number one, up at the Ogama Ranges, we have a rain shutdown because of anticipation with regard to that moisture we're talking about. There was going to be a series of culverts. We're putting in what are underground walkways like they used to have on the old ranges. They still have them, but most of them aren't being used now because well they were built back in World War II and they're 60 and 70 years old pieces of concrete and we've walked through some of them and you can see where there's places where they finally gave up the ghost and you're seeing earth. It looks like Planet of the Apes, you know, Return to the Planet of the Apes, the second movie where you're going through the damaged subway. That's what they look like after seven years. Trust me, I've seen enough of them. But in this case, what we're doing, we've got something we were talking about before. We've got some donated seconds in culverts. They're going to be digging the trenches on the intermediate range this weekend, so it's completely offline. The intermediate range goes to 500, and that range is shut down for the weekend. Now what they're going to do is overlap with some other work on the long, long range. clearing that for a certain amount of time because I understand some units were complaining because they have unit or qualification, rifle qualification this weekend. It was already planned. Guys, we can't not take advantage of this. The guys are donating the heavy trucks, they're donating the lifters to move all this junk, it's heavy. And they're going to drop it right in place. As long as we have the holes ready to go, they will drop it and go and drop it and go and drop and go. So this Saturday, We are starting from about 7 o'clock in the morning. I believe the crews are going to be there already today, the first part of the dig crew. We've got a couple guys that run the back hose. And they are doing everything they can to get as much done in preparation. Rain or shine, no matter what happens, they've got to put a gravel bed down. We also do a bag, we've got a source for seconds on cement. So we're actually reinforcing the side walls with additional cement, but we're doing it with a gravel cement mix. So, that's a lot of work. It's everybody pitching in all at once. I understand that this gives our combat engineers a chance. We've got a unit that's up there towards Midland. Actually, the guys are more, well, to the west of Midland quite a bit, but they're actually pretty active. They actually have a construction company, and they're the ones that are practicing what they preach. So, that means the intermediate range will be shut down at O'Gama. this weekend you will be shifting to the long range you will only be shooting for about three hours on that range then the 50s take back over so that's just how it works qualification is going to have to be hot hot hot hot and we can't stress enough cooperate with the range officers because everybody gets to be one eventually you're going to be the person instructing individuals just as they have instructed you everybody rotates on the range operation another thing Colonial Marine Militia, I don't have the location yet. I understand that there has been a discussion because of space available down there in Round Knob Creek. So you are going to see the posting on www.colonialmarinemalicia.4mg.com when it's available for the national meetup. I had a couple of questions about that last night. from our friends passing through. In fact, we had a dozen things going on. We had a line go out on a car, had to work on that. Fortunately, we were able to run out and take care of a few parts, pieces, assemblies, got everything done and out of the way, wee hours in the morning. But the problem has been, apparently, space available. Everybody wants to attend. I think we're going to see Don the same thing happen with the Knob Creek meetup years ago that created the Knob Creek resolution. The border issue is bringing a lot of our friends from Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, I think Colorado for sure is going to be a little more heavily represented along with Oklahoma this time around. So, this is going to be a bite at the system meeting. We're well transparent from this, I don't know, except they're discussing another resolution about dealing with the border and discussing the whole idea of the treason now going on in Washington over the illegal aliens and obviously the Israeli terrorists. So, you know, Israeli, Israeli slash the Israeli terrorists, if they are coming in, they ain't coming in necessarily across the border. They may throw some skanks across there. The real terrorists are the Israelis. They'll be running with sod operatives that'll have the Arab scam going, and then they'll try to point it at dead people that were dead months or weeks, years before they supposedly did what they did in the US. So pay attention to that one. Another thing, night vision. We were hasty on this and I had a couple conversations. Don, the optimal, now again we're looking at a budget, five man fire team. Don, you're the guy outfitting this unit to go into the field as a rifle slash a marksman's team based upon a primary shooter with a heavy rifle. We're not talking a 50, we'll just say a 308, but again, a performance weapon. He's the center of attention. How would we outfit this group so that they can best operate in the field? What would be the most economical way to do it, but the most sensible way to do it, please? Well, if you're going to concentrate on one shooter, this is a different scenario than the other day. If you're going to support him, I would say you're going to need a couple of gun sights around him, at least first generation. If you're concentrating on, again, getting the most performance out of one shooter, you should probably... We've talked about this a number of times. You guys, the biggest step up in performance is from first to second generation. That guy should be at least a second generation piece. Now, this is... It seems like dictates, but, you know, if you're gonna be that... That this is the guy, man, he shoots the eyes out of the flies at 600 yards, and, you know, the flies stand the next to the fly at 1,000 yards. At any rate, if you're going to be that specific to just move one person in and everybody around him is going to be support, we've talked about a spotter having at least the capability of the shooter. But in some instances, if energy or resources are funneled to this person, you want to bring them the best you can. Let's go out on a big pile of pot bottles, thought line two, because a lot of us live like that. My phone was shut off this morning. I had to dig up some pop bottles and pay the phone company. I understand, Mark. You guys, you might have a whole bunch of first generation gun sites in that five man team. I would say that if you're going to go along that route, everyone should be a gun site. Because you're limiting yourself by the first generation. And we've addressed this before and even moments ago. But everybody that brings up a site should be able to return fire. Now, you know, there's a difference between walking across the land, moving somewhere, getting a mission done, or sitting in an LPOP. And, you know, viewers are real good for listening post-observation and, well, as long as you've got a gun sight there with you. You know what I mean? Because it's dark out, right? Look at this in a whole bunch of different ways. We could go with four men, first generation gun sights, as the gunny. you know, the guy in charge, he's going to be identifying targets. He might be right there next to you, identifying a target. Look at that tree, now see the base of that tree, now look 100 yards or look 50 yards beyond it and two, three, no, four widths of the base of the tree to the right. I see that Gunny. Okay? Mixing teams together, green screen and thermal too, but again, this flies away from the, we're all on a budget thing. But you guys, if you've got five people together, now again, you know, this is, it might seem like Don preaching or Don trying to sell you something, but if you pick the two categories, look at it like Don preaching, please. Because if you've got that many people together, you should be able to at least move one person up in the technology to a second generation gun site or to a piece of thermal. Because that's That's what teams do. They try to keep each other around. They try to elevate each other and make each other better just by pushing people forward. You couldn't do that yesterday. By tomorrow we'll have you doing that. Okay? Yes, by tomorrow. Okay. It comes from a whole bunch of things about teamwork. I don't want to go over into that. Pep K right here in the hardware department. If you look at... I could do the math here. If you look at five men times $390, there's five first generation gun sites at four power. If you look at four of them and a second generation gun site minus that $390 and move that piece over to like $1,248, that's, you know, I understand. That's like four pieces, but that's equivalent to the other four pieces. Yeah, well, three other pieces. You know, it took me a minute to juggle the math around while I'm trying to talk here, too. Again, to work to the center, as Mark described, the original team, this guy is the gunner and we're here to support him. Now, you guys, you can look at it in a whole bunch of different ways because supporting the gunner means you're going to be carrying some of his ammunition too if you're out there for a while. Everybody should actually, if he's carrying, for instance, a .338 Lapua, a 300 win mag, even an opt-6. There's no reason for everybody not to be distributed. 40 rounds, that's only two 20 round military boxes of whatever it is, whatever the flavor of the stuff is that he eats with that weapon. The idea behind that is dispersal too. Something may happen to the gunner, but not to the gun. Remember, what's the first rule of combat operations? The heaviest and best weapons are manned first. That's the most important thing to understand. And it's not like it's an RPG-7. It's not like you're carrying rockets that weigh 24 pounds each or 18 pounds each. You're talking two couple pound boxes of if it's 338 Lapua, it can be heavy, but not that heavy. It's not overbearing. One of the tricks is for the unit to pick a certain pouch that everyone recognizes. and that pouch can even be tagged with an ID. It has to be tactical, but it can be tagged in such a way that everybody knows no matter where it is on somebody's backpack or on their combat gear, that's ammo for gun number one. See how that works? We do it with belt fed guns. Everybody carries it up with a gunner. So, think the same... Go ahead, jump in there please. If this team is very specific, that guy might even be reloading or someone might be reloading for that particular gun. We don't need to address that. Fire form cases, drop, charge, temperature, all kinds of things that have been figured out for that gun a long time ago. But if you're reloading like .33A, even WinMag, that's not a dinky bullet. If you are reloading it, you don't just toss those. I've talked about carrying like 16 or 18, I don't remember the exact number of 50 cals in that 30 round mag for your M16 in that pout. About half of them go up and about half of them go down. When you are done, you just put a little oil rag on the top, no oil on it, but something you would use to dust off your gun on the top to keep them from jumping up and down. Well, you know that could be a day's work or a few moments depending on you know how hot it is outside. If you're crawling around and you've got a max bullets, you know target, you know purpose-built bullets in a pouch like that you can't count on them to be you cannot count on them to be that quarter of a minute like it was out of the phone box there at the range. Now this goes over for another reason for every man to be carrying a box, even if it's just a box of 10. Because that box, if those are custom built to that gun, that box might be a box that those bullets are suspended in foam in that box. They're protected. Yes. Like individual cigars. Yes! Like individual little missiles. Yep. That's another way to put it because you guys, we've talked about one out. We've talked about all kinds of things that can happen to a bullet or ways that it can be miss built. But if you've just got chiclets in .338, WinMag, .408 or .50 caliber and they're rattling around, don't expect the accuracy you had out of the bench. These are basics you guys, but this needs to be addressed if you're going to be this specific to to support one man and he's 600, he's 800, he's 1,000, he's 1,200 yards man, he's going to just gobble that up like you and your 22 shooting rabbits at 45 feet. He can't carry all of that ammunition and carry it in such a way that he's not crawling on it or laying on it or putting an elbow on it or rolling over onto it when he rebolts the gun. When you talk about specific missions like this, it's right down to the dinkiest little things. It's not like what color is the napkin. It's the dinkiest little things. He's got 10 rounds in his pocket. He's got 10 rounds in that little foam box. It barely takes up more room than 10 rounds, but those rounds aren't rattling together. They are not bouncing end to end and there is to the best of everybody's ability the man that pulled the lever on that reloader right from there forward. The mission is to deliver those bullets to the target. Right to the bone here, the mission is to deliver those bullets to the target. If they are warp twisted and been laid on and pulled out of the pocket, you cannot count on an 800 or 1000 or 1200 yard shot with a bullet that Your mama would say, you don't know where that's been. Thank you, Mark. One of the things to remember is, again, guys, as we are supporting, the one thing that has to be emphasized here is teamwork. The most important component is teamwork, is precision thinking. A shooter becomes a tunnel vision expert. One of the things to remember about a shooter If he feels secure, he will put 100% of his energy on that target. Now, he can also shut out the world even if he's not fully secure, but with a four-man support team, all points of the compass are covered. That is really critical especially for precision long range shooting in that north, south, east, west you have eyeballs in all directions. One man automatically, and this is something you need to be just imagining, when you move that gunner is the pivot, the center of your action. You are extensions of him creating eyes and ears left eyes and ears right and eyes and ears behind him. Now here's another consideration. You may even almost do the American chicken track as opposed to the full flank. In other words, three men to the rear, you know, quadrant left, quadrant right, quadrant back, because that spotter's job is of course to observe to the front. Now the spotter or the assistant gunner can perform a number of tasks depending upon how big the weapon is that is the center of attention. If it's a .50 caliber gun, remember that just being able to provide the next round in hand as needed if it's a single shot bolt action weapon. saves the shooter a tremendous amount of time having to recover a round, insert the round, and then reload the round, you know, introduce the round into the chamber. Good teams, on this respect, Mark, good teams, a spotter, and a gunner, the gunner doesn't move. the spotter reloads the weapon. Exactly. And whenever possible, some weapons like the Mardi Griffin you're going to be extracting the bolt and in the process you have to bring the weapon away from you because the butt pad is the bolt handle, the nature of the design. The Zussman 1s are like that because they are nothing but an exact copy of the Mardi Griffin. The objective was to carry on where Mardi Griffin left off. you know, with the design left off and then the other weapons are variations or you know, on other ideas. In both cases and with other independent men who copied the Mardi Grifen, that is one of the most significant things to remember is that every time after you're fired, the shooter does have to take the weapon away from his shoulder. And we've talked about this that in precision shooting, Oria, especially if you're going to be continuing to put targets, you know, rounds into the same target area, once you've settled in that first shot, It is best to not move hardly at all. In fact, that is one of the big advantages of a sub-automatic gun. But the trick is again, the weapon can still be manually operated while the weapon is properly shouldered. And actually, now, it's compressed into the musculature. There's still going to be some change. And every aspect of what you do when you move your body after you're fired means that your body has to reorient back to center. This is true with pistol shooting. This is what I've always tried to explain. When you fire a pistol and you're firing relays of five or seven, when you fire that first round is your stray. Now, when we say stray, I'm not talking off in the cornfield off to the right and you shot the guy next to you because you just couldn't control your gun. That's the biggest one in your group. Yeah, it's going to be the largest out of the center of the group. The reason is because, remember, your body is made up of water. Even your bones have water in them. Fortunately, right now, later on when you're bleached and left in the desert, it's a different story. Okay, but right now you're a little moist in general. Well, when you fire that first round, when you've settled that weapon, even if it's combat two-handed shooting or if it's offhand shooting, when you squeeze that titty the first time, when you squeeze that trigger for the first time, and the weapon discharges, your whole hand is compressed. That and because of that there is just a midget. It is so small it would seem oh, Don that's not relevant guys if you've seen a Competition marksman's group you will see five rounds that you can put a quarter over in a 1911, you know 45 group Okay, and you will find typically there's that one that is just a little outside the rest of the Crescent the rest of the four shots if it's a five-round relay. That first round is off because your body has to compress to what we consider to be a shooting cycle station. After that, the next four rounds which are buck, buck, buck, buck and down. That first one, a buck, and then buck, and buck, and buck, and buck, and down. In fact, I should have a little slow there. I'm taking my time because I figured, yeah, we're early in the relays. But otherwise it would be bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, empty and down. But that first round will be the stringer. The same is true of your rifle work. So if you are going to, say, do a series of placed shots, but, you know, again, you're not, you're not nestling in for that ultimate sniper shot against the general. Let's say that you had a target-rich shot at say a thousand yards, which is not bad for that 50 and or that 300 wind mag and all of a sudden there's a whole bunch of characters are climbing out of the back of a truck and they're handling a bunch of specialized equipment. Well, I'll bet you down those guys are somebody special. A lot of training went into them that we can put an into right now. We don't want to let them get away, do we? Exactly. See, so if we have it, that's one of the advantages of a gas operated or, again, a team of shooters working on a target like that. Because it's not the boxes they're carrying. Certainly if we can hit them and do some damage to whatever they got, whatever they're offloading, you might recognize this being a Wow, that's a whole parcel of dragon operators. That's a whole parcel of RPG operators. That's a whole parcel of air defense gunners. That's a... Oh, they need to die. Do you see? No, let's go back to... I'm sorry to interrupt, but let's go back to something we talked about a little while ago. And it might sound strange to a lot of you bolt gun operators. Have you ever trained with someone reloading your gun? This is the instance for that. Why? Because while that bolt is being closed up, I know there's that little bit of leverage. You're gaining another target, aren't you? You're looking at the down range, aren't you? You're picking and choosing, aren't you? Instead of worrying about closing the bolt and then bringing back the cheek weld and all of the other things. If you want to get the fastest fire out of a single shot AR-50 or one of Ronnie's bolt guns, you know, let's put the Barrett at the end of that just so everybody knows who we're talking about. If you want to get the rapid volume fire out of that single shot bolt gun, train as a team with a reloader. That ain't no BS. Awkward, it sounds like. How are we going to get this done? For the first half hour you're trying it, it's going to be goofy stupid, but all of a sudden it's flowing. Now you can do this with empty cases. You put an empty case in, you close the while the gunner is laying across that gun looking at a target. Now there's not going to be the recoil, I know that. When we're talking about big guns, recoil is part of the whole equation. I know that. But just imagine, you're laying across that gun, you've got that gun pulled to your shoulder and you go bang and you're trying to keep that gun. It's not that hard to do with a pistol grip while your loader pulls back that out that. Sometimes they jump out by themselves, sometimes they just lay there all hot and just wish you'd touch them with your fingertip to get them out of there. I'm talking about Ronnie's guns and that arm of light too. But now even that is a distraction to a shooter when you're in, oh here's something we haven't used in a while because this is contrary to what we talk about a lot, a target rich environment. You hear that in a lot of different venues, be it ground or air or what? A target rich environment. If we talk about taking one shot and leaving, but you know what? Sometimes there might be the situation you take, well, more than one shot because the opportunity is right there and it's too good to pass up. Now there's another cliche, but it's true, isn't it? And if you've got that reloader and you've worked that system down, Man, you're going to put a lot more bullets down range and into the target because you're picking and choosing and that gun is steady on your shoulder as that bolt is being closed. You'll get used to this. You will gain this. And man, the guys over there will think there's more than one gun because when things heat up, if the gun can go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr But if they're hearing bang, bang, that's one man shooting a bolt gun and reloading that single shot. But if they're hearing bang, bang, almost like a semi-auto just gaining another target and shooting again, you can work to that with a team if you strive for it. It can be done. It's not like Don just makes this up. This is a practice in many armies around the world with So fed guns a whole nine yards. It comes down to anticipating the individual but working at a pace that each can understand. You train to the point where it's second nature. But it requires practice and it does not mean you pull the trigger. This is something, again, needless to say, we're going to. Ideally you want snap caps or you can even use training blank rounds, which I recommend. The idea behind this though is that you actually practice and go through the whole cycle over and over and over and over and over and you perfect it to the point where it's again second nature. Yes, you could even do it with your eyes closed, a la in the dark. You heard the word awkward in there a couple of times. It's not going to be near as awkward for the gunner as it is for the reloader. How many people have ever reloaded a bolt gun? for someone else shooting. Good thing is with a 50th big. Don't worry, it's big. Don't worry about it being big. It's like handling cigars. It's one step away from a cannon. It is. Remember, the next step up are a 20mm cannon. 50 caliber, half inch machine guns, which most other countries would consider a cannon type weapon. It's in the heaviest class of machine gun category before you head over into the other direction where they start calling them cannons. It's a lot of fun. Don't ignore this and don't think poo-poo on this. Practice this. Don't ignore this if you've got that one of Ronnie's single shot bolt guns or a McMillan single shot or somebody else's single shot bolt gun. Be it a .30 cal? Oh, Armalite builds a real fine .30 cal but it's an integral well. Five rounds deep. Well, .30 cal bolt gun there, that AR-30. You can get it in a couple of other calibers too. But don't ignore this. Again, it sounds awkward. There are people who have drilled with it. There are people who probably have a thousand hours practicing this. That is not an exaggeration. On that way to ten thousand hours of mastery, all of those, what one might call mile markers and whatnots. But there are people who practice this and if you practice it you're going to get more volume fire out of that single shot bolt gun. And if you practice this to the nth degree, man, you'll be amazed at how fast you can send rounds down range. You'll be amazed. And you know, again, in a target-rich environment you want to be amazed while the other side is just By the way, again a reminder here guys, we were talking about night vision earlier. Don, let's place this in the middle of the program here. You have night vision technology available. We were discussing first and second gen plus thermal. Well, you've got that and a lot more available at your disposal. And if anybody has a question about how we would employ it based upon a lot of what we're talking about here, then you need to talk to Don. Reason? We're looking at 24-7 battlefield situations. Right now a lot of people are following up on what's happening in the Ukraine. Remember that the units in the east are all militia. They certainly have to a degree some military experience in several units. But many of the units were freestanding, independent, built up their own strength, started out on a small unit level. And if you've read some of these battle situations, it's the individual rifle marksmanship and the holdouts that have saved villages from destruction. Now remember that. It's the militia's all they've got. There is no regular army. They have gone up against a regular fighting force that has received aid from all directions. It doesn't mean I am. Both sides are getting aid from outside their border. If you have read the latest accounts of the last five major actions where now the Ukrainian Junta military force is surrounded or cut off, small unit operations, precise militia activities, the use of rear area engagements in para-conventional, notice I didn't say unconventional, I've tried to explain this before about unconventional, para-conventional and conventional operations. The majority of what they're doing, they're not calling it para-conventional, I'm telling you, explaining to you that this is what you're seeing, where you use small unit and mid-unit techniques combined with unconventional warfare operations. In each case, it was the militia units holding out, being able to hang on by their toenails, that first fixed and again isolated the combat forces that were significantly outnumbering them. In the next phase, reserves came forward, infiltrated through the areas of contact, and then cut off the supply lines for the advanced forces. You now have a whole series of elements of the Ukrainian regular military, whatever you want to call it, that have lost their supply and support. They now have to try to figure out how or if they can break out, which is what they're trying to do right now. The point is that a significantly smaller but dynamic and disciplined force was able to put the rounds, put the fight where it needed to be, and then get on with other business. Remember guys, it's share time. That's how it works. But also, it's intestinal fortitude. They're outnumbered 20 and 30 to 1 in most every contact, as far as face to face. The other good thing is that fortunately the Ukrainian forces are being run by the communist commissars. And the communist commissars don't have a clue how to fight, but they're puppet mastering all of the field commanders. So, that's what you're going to face here. They've got everything! Yeah, well don't worry, you'll have a lot of it really soon. In fact, if you take a look where they've tried to do propaganda pieces, this is what the Eastern Ukrainian forces have. Well, you'll notice that they've put the blunt onto most everything that the junta has been throwing out there. And what's interesting is, all the weapons you see laying there, all the weapons you guys have. I hope you pay attention. In fact, one of the more popular is the sporterized nagots which seem to be coming out of the woodwork all over the place. I wonder where those came from. Mark, I have to interrupt here because you made me think of something that I've been wanting to bring to the hour for a while now. We've been talking about the AKS variant and the M16 pattern type AR-15 variant in 22. Man, sometimes you can pick them up cheap compared to .223, but we mentioned earlier in the hour that shooting the rabbit at 40 feet or whatever, 30 feet with your .22. You guys, Skip used to talk about it. If you want to learn to skip Talbot, founder of the 50 caliber shooters association, used to talk about if you want to learn to shoot a 50 to 1,000 yards, learn to shoot a .22 at 100. And that might seem a bit of an overstatement, but you know what? If you can shoot that rabbit between the eyes and you've got the notch and the post right there between the eyes and that rabbit goes night-night when you pull the trigger at 40 feet and there's another rabbit at 100 yards and you bring up that iron and notch and you line everything up and you pull the trigger that rabbit's going to laugh at you as he runs away because there's a whole drop chart to be built for a 22 between like 10 and 100 yards. And if you're going to, we've addressed, you know, hey that little 22 would be, they don't really know what's winging through the air, sizzling through the air past their ear or, you know, past their cranium. If you're going to carry one of those in, and I've been meaning to bring this to the hour for a while, you need to know the drop on that. As much as you need to know the drop on your 50 from 100 to 1,000 yards, really and truly, because if you've got that 50 yards zero in your 22 and you bring it up and all you are looking at is that rabbit sized target at 100 yards and everything else is concealed and you are going to shoot that rabbit sized target right between the eyes and you pull the trigger all you are going to do is kick dust up in that rabbit sized target's face. So that needs to be paid attention to. Again it is not the color of the napkin but it is the dinkiest little things that I'm sorry it took so long to bring this to the hour because it's been cooking in my brain for a while. But you guys accustomed to 22, you know what I'm talking about. If you're counting on that AK variant that shoots 22, that M16 pattern type gun shoots 22, you better build a drop chart for it. You better become familiar with it. You better almost commit it to memory. If you're using that at short range, basically you're in short range situations and targets might appear at this range and that range and if you can't adjust to them immediately, well, you're just sending bullets down range, aren't you Mark? On some days that might be acceptable if you were using a squad gun, but in this case we're trying to put the bullet on a target and keep it there. That gets into mass target selection. Remember if you're having to go into volume, and speed shoot on a weapon to suppress one of those back of the deuce and a half opportunities or how about the back of an MRAP? They open up the doors of an MRAP and there's a whole pile of something there. Well here's the rule, aim for the groin, aim for the groin, aim for the groin. Now there's a couple reasons for that including the fact that as we said when you resettle the gun each time that you fire remember that you're typically going to pull up and to the right. It's not you, it's just the way your body settles, which is you. But it's not that you're pulling or you're not pulling, slash, jerking the trigger. It's the nature of how you compress, which is why you'll typically find really tight groups, you'll find that stringer is just a fingernail like a crescent, like a crescent moon out of the group. That's expected. Now because of that act accordingly, remember down and low and into the target group. Why? Well, of course there's also orientation. How is the vehicle oriented to me? If I'm laying in a position and for whatever reason way out there at 800 yards, all of a sudden I hear... And I see the door swing open and those two doors, those clamshell doors pop open wide and there's a whole big bunch of Oreo squishy stuff right there in front of me. Man, I better get to work. In fact, this is where I would also say anybody with a weapon that can put something into that hole better. Light them up. Yeah, light them up and start low, start low, start low. I'd rather it scut into their foot than the wing over the top of the vehicle. Always remember that. A flat, scimitarring bullet going into flesh is good enough. In other words, you might even slide into that door that's partially open, but it pings off that, scuds into their hand, rips open some tendons, tears apart some veins. Hey, I'm happy with that. But the thing is, there's an example of where that teamwork is so critical. You might even have a standard code word, which in reality you should have, which is green, green, green, green, green. What that means is even though you have perimeter security, everybody there that's got, you know, again, the ability to put a bullet down range may turn and move on that group target. Because that's where you have the same opportunity to have if you had a belt fed gun but you have multiple gunners who have the ability to start dumping mags. You may only restrict it even. You may say, you know, one mag, one mag, green, green, green, green. What that means is one mag, 20 rounds or 30 rounds, whatever you've got, dumped into the target area while you focus with the heavy gun. Now they'll switch back to their mission immediately. That sounds weird because remember once you've started this you're going to move. Guess what, you've probably drawn attention to yourself by fixing on a major target like this, but it just can't be passed up. Again, this is one thing that gets me, when everybody yaps about Iraq. Guys, the guys we were shooting at, they weren't, they were either, we were either going house to house to steal guns or whatever because I've seen cluster screw shots where I always yap about the militia. Well you guys were bunched up here or you guys were doing that there and then I see about 20 people and peeky-booing around a corner. Well sure as hell the battlefield can't be too deep or dimensional because if 20 guys are piled up on each other's butt cheeks, Mr. Grenade is not your friend. You know what I mean? and it's the very thing we've always been warned about but here you see you watch these pictures you'll see these guys lined up on a wall one guy's hanging around the corner putting some bullets down range three guys are piled up right on top of him and one's peeky-boo'ing around the corner too now if that were really a multi-dimensional and a full contact engagement there's no way in hell those people will be screwed up like that or that they be taken again how serious should I take it well the the bus to go after the gun confiscation is the first way Yeah, exactly. Otherwise it would be... And there would be body parts flying in all directions, and especially if it was lateral, like say, down the length of a group like that. There's no way they can move out of the way fast enough. Somebody's getting hit. See what I mean? And that's the kind of target you want to find. That's the kind of optimal target because the more screaming in radios, the more begging for medics, the more dead chunks and pieces of laying around, the more demoralized your enemy becomes. That whole MRAP, when they open up the ARSON to it, is nothing but a bullet bucket and that's where the bullets should be going. Congratulations! Say hello to my dear friend. And pop, pop, boom, boom. And I don't care if they drive away with blood, you know, literally, you hit people like that, you're going to be literally, you'll see, they might even keep everybody in the vehicle. They might even drag everybody back in the vehicle. They probably won't get the door shut. But you know what you'll see going down the road is literally a stream of blood. It's wicked, but it's what will happen because all those pints that are inside somebody are coming out. And that's what you want. The bad guys that laugh about myrtle-lating you, you better be really good about dealing with them. And that's again, basic rules. But these are the type of, this is why this team is so important. It's why, and of course you can switch it out. It could be that you have one M60. It could be that you have a MAG 58. It could be that you have a Browning 1919 and you're supporting it. and the weapon can be employed the same way. Let's not forget that, you know, again, if you own a, if you get a master behind that gun, out to 1200 yards, that person can put a bullet wherever he wants to, and he'll put three or four behind it. Just only pack it up. You can apply it the same way as that sniper rifle. The sniper rifle gives you the ability though to make sure that you can keep it into that target. Whereas the remember squad guns and belt fed weapons are beater weapons. They're designed to have a cone of destruction at range. Which is why a burst of fire goes down range. but it can still apply the same weight just as long as you don't go crazy and start watching too many movies. Like I said, you watch that little Arab kid, he's got a belt-fed Russian machine gun. He steps out in the street and you know the target is, first of all remember that gun if it's belt-fed there's a couple that are 7.62x39 but almost everyone I've seen are 7.62x54R and it's a gun that can reach a thousand yards. So he steps out in the street, he angles the gun at 45 degrees but he's looking straight down the street. Now I hate to tell you he ain't hittin' Jack squat, but he'll dump the whole stinkin' belt of ammunition they probably had to scavenge to get and waste it, you see? Because he's watched too many stinking movies. Seriously. Watch a lot of this stuff. Well, it really looks impressive and you'll see the guy go, I walked by my RSC and just shot up the neighborhood five blocks down and didn't come anywhere near the people he was trying to hit. Of course he did crack bullets over their head, about 50 to 100 yards, before it arced back down and dropped into somebody you didn't want to hit. We just had power go out everywhere. We have the phone, but we just had power go out everywhere, station and all of the perimeter. The only thing I've got in my Security cameras are up because they're on a separate solar power source. Heads up because we're right at the top of the hour as a matter of fact aren't we? Doing right there yeah. Okay. I'll tell you what we're going to do. How much time we got? Probably about another two minutes down? Something like that yeah. Let's do this. Before we go any farther, night vision technology, you have it. It's available. What can you provide and what are the changes coming up and how can we get a hold of you? Hey the first generation green screen is disappearing. There's less than 200 of the 4 power viewer now. Hey Mark, you're in the studio? I can put one of those in your mailbox for $205. The 4 power gun site, right in your mailbox for $390. My phone number is 231-796-58231. Hey Daddy. Daddy, what you got? Dad, you're in the studio? Everything just came back on again. General power, everything went off. Everything, everything went off. Check, because I'm pretty sure I left it there underneath the main monitor above the mixing board. There should be one of the battery powered push lights right there if it goes out. Oh, I've got, no, no, I'm good. In fact, I've got the other lights set up here. I've been playing with some of the other emergency batteries. I've got a pile of emergency lighting, which I really, really, really want to put back together. I just haven't had time. But yeah, we're good. Alright, we're at the top of the hour, so here's the music. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Hoorah! We'll be back in just a little bit here for the second round of the intel report. I gotta start all of the computer systems back up, but, Don, your number for night vision closes for this hour, please. That number is 2317968458. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless America. We are the sons, yes we are the sons, the sons of liberty. I've always paid the time of sleep. Never give up the struggle, war is upon the liberty tree. It's a tall pollution. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com. Are your local stores sold out of ammunition? Call or visit them today for prices on hard to find ammo and bulk ammo orders. You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because mainmilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at mainmilitary.com. That's main like the state military.com. I had a dream the other night that well I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as pirates trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight if he stood by your bedside your dream while you were asleep and Wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this?