September 3, 2014
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Mark Koernke discussed AK rifle variants, particularly the SEGA model, with caller Larry from Wisconsin regarding firing pin compatibility and design differences across Russian, Chinese, and Yugoslavian AK platforms. The show covered ammunition interchangeability, parts sourcing, and the reliability of various AK systems. In the second segment, caller Bill from Texas asked about shortwave antenna configuration, leading to an extended discussion on antenna theory, ground planes, wire placement, and historical radio technology including crystal radios and fence-line arrays. The episode emphasized preparedness through communications infrastructure and weapons systems knowledge.
- ak rifles
- sega rifle
- firing pins
- russian weapons
- chinese ak variants
- yugoslav ak
- ammunition compatibility
- shortwave antenna
- ham radio
- ground plane
- antenna theory
- communications
- preparedness
- weapons wednesday
- parts sourcing
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Yeah, they're gonna pull out of their art or when, maybe into the next time. Who knows? Anyway, we get a caller. Who do we have? Call or jump in there, please. Morning, Mark, it's Larry in Wisconsin. Larry, what do you got for us here? I have a KK question. I walked a couple of the type A fire engines from Fire engines.net to AKS and an EES-MP. And then I have a single region, it's 332K, EES-MP, no problem. And since I have K, I'll assemble right next to one another. And behold, the SEGA lesion, the internals are different and the firing on that one is, the whole bolt is different, none of the parts are interchangeable. And I don't know what to think about because it's, like the bolt is a little bit, what would you think about it? They probably went with the OKT, you're talking about the SEGA model, right? The SEGA model is probably more like the AK100 in terms of the bolt, I haven't had a chance to lay them down side by side. This is why you have a magazine, variants, and the rifles. Part of that is why they allow them into the country. Don't worry if you think that this is, just because they have the AK lines, we have talked about this for years, doesn't mean that all the internals are identical. Notice we've got the U-Goes as we pointed out. We've got the new American line that are there. The American line that were based upon all standard, the most common Euro design, as far as I know. We haven't heard of any changes there. But the 100, the AK-90s and the AK-100 series of rifles, that's what they were doing is improving, you know, and taking experience and modifying it into the Sega slash the new AKs. The latest AK battle rifles that are going to be out there, which we don't see here in the United States, nor do you see them on the Red Revolution market, aligned or altered. That's one of the things that is true. I have not looked at these Sega's to see, you know, which of the Sega's coming in because they do identify them by their you know model number the new make numbers. Now the Chinese have the same problem I would point out and I'll give you an example where you can see this. If you look at a lot of pictures people have looked at the Chinese and not even thought twice about what they're looking at. You'll notice that several of the new AK variants that are the Chinese variants which are either in 7.62x39, 5.4x39, you know, 4.5x39 or the new Chinese cartridge and they have another AK round. They, I don't know enough, they're just going to continue with it, but they did develop another AK round for their own use and it is a... Look at the rifles that the Chinese are carrying in a lot of the still images. You'll notice the magazine is not next to the trigger guard. In fact, if you pay attention, you'll see that the AKs they're carrying, which by the way are an AK 100 variant, They have that the magazine well is a full force away from trigger guard itself Where normally the AK trigger guard works as a bridge to help to support the magazine, you know control? Helping release control that it's actually freestanding and a full four fingers ahead of the trigger guard And not only are the externals there was to say the internals are different and this includes the bolt bolt and other components so that now that's more obvious but with the sagas As I said before, if it is a specific-ish type, we're going to have to look at scripts immediately from whatever source might be available. But if you are, before I would do that, I would talk to the companies that are doing the titanium firing pins, and remember, if you bring this issue forward, they will address it. You know what I mean? I talked to the guy yesterday, he said the better thing, and it was a process of that, because what I did was I ordered an extra firing pin. It has done a lot to find somebody that had them. Very good. Okay, they can qualify that. Go ahead. It's not easy. KVAR is the one that I contacted and they had the part. I'm waiting for it to match it up to make sure it is back to the people saying, hold on. Absolutely. Actually, what I would do is the majority of you are practicing and disassembling. I would disassemble the SEGA once you get the new one in. Obviously, like you said, compare it. and then ride it on that horse for a minute. In other words, put it in and work the action. And if you've got some dry firing cases or if you just use some spent cases, put the hammer on it a couple of times. You know what I mean? Okay, what are you saying? Well, once you get the new firing pin, the other Sega firing pins in, you don't have those yet, right? Right. Just assemble the bolt just like you did the other one, put the firing pin in, and convert dimension, obviously. Because I do not know, and again, probably any number of the different AK pages would give us the number of variants. But the SEGAS, there's two things to remember. We have ulting rifles because we have both .223, .308, you know, receivers. There are different ways that they came up with the solution for calibers. Obviously, they went with it, but the main battle rifle calibers, they went with the RPK receiver. We've been talking about that this morning. Original SEGAS coming in and then specific model identifiers. There are others that have come in from the same plant where obviously they decided to production run or to offer a particular design based probably on what they were running in mass at the time. Because the Kalashnikov plants, pretty much all of them, they don't like to trade out. They don't like to change out when they're on a run. That's one thing that we've read a lot of articles on here over the years, that when they start cranking out 100,000 or half a million rifles, they don't stop. If they happen to be building a certain model or design, then their other market rifles are based upon what they're cranking out at that moment. That may be also, again, something I'll have to look at with the SAGAs. My attitude on the SAGAs is that pretty much you want a firing pin extractor and ejector, just like any others. But of all the rifles that are at least likely to have a problem right away, it's going to be the AKs that you're handling. The SAGAs, the Vepers, any of the new Legion rifles, all of the earmark rifles that are being done that are custom built. Because of all the rifle designs, I'm going to tell you, I've carried AKs and I've never broken... I've never... I have broken AR-15s left and right. But I've never broken an AK. The only break in an AK we had is this. For years, we used Hollywood blank adapters. I had a policy of making sure when I was running out for operations I'd have everybody take off their muzzle caps and I would run through every gun. The AK that I know of that failed, that had a problem. It didn't fail. It had a problem because the young man who had the blank adapter in was part of another group. The individual was in a hurry that was inspecting the units. and he rotted the guns, he got distracted, I tracked this down, and so some of the guys left their Hollywood Blank adapters and their weapons. They got to the live fire range, because we have, you know, activities over activities. One of the individuals loaded up his weapon, his blank adapter was still inside the barrel, where the muzzle capsized the compensator, and when he pulled the trigger, he had a special feeling. And unfortunately, he also had a barrel with a chunk out of it, because That additional back pressure and restriction forced the material to go somewhere. So it took a chunk out of the end of the barrel along with part of the threading. That weapon eventually we rebarreled because of the blessings of all the extra stuff out there. But again, the bolt didn't fail, the chamber didn't erupt. Failure was obviously at the muzzle end, kind of like sticking mud in the end of a 12 gauge pommel trigger and finding out you're going to have a shorter barrel when you're done. Barrel down to, you know, compensation. malfunction I've ever had. I have not had an extractor AK ever. I have had to replace them because they're tired and that's very rare but I've had to replace them because they're tired. Firing pins are a precautionary because it's not all the times I would say it's been wonderful. It's the idea that the bad guys always figure that we are going to run out of parts and the fact that the Sega has an independent part is something that they've been counting on and I've talked about for years. We need to make sure each of these weapons systems, if we identify a unique problem, we need to have it built. The fire pin is one of the easiest to deal with because the guy probably at the other end you're talking to, I'm sure he's running a CNC program, you know, CNC machines. Once he programs in that Sega firing pin for you, you're not only gonna help yourself, but he's gonna help a whole lot of other people. That's how you get him firing pin will be around after the whole rifle disintegrates. Okay, now look, let me ask you this. One of my concerns was that the firing pin is narrower and longer and I'm wondering if it's going to be as reliable and full of this, you know, I like being a clunky. Oh, I know that. I know. Well, see, they did that with the .223 rifles years ago. That's one of the first things I was looking at when the Chinese, see the Chinese had a remaining thing, I was on the standard .762x39. Remember back when the AK's first came in? And the next rifle they brought in after they brought in the Dragon bring in a 223AK and it was I believe that was actually their demand and the reason is because it was if they had us on AK only 762 by 39 the logic is they could cut ammunition off like they did in South America but when they started bringing the 223AKs in there are two things that that did that bit into the government's you know manipulated AR-15 market and it that could run for an indefinite period of time. In other words, an AK action with an AK gas system that isn't going to crud up, two to three ammunition, which is notoriously dirty, even though they've tried to fix that. But it was still the best, lots of government ammo and an AK action that runs until hell freezes over. If you look, it's about the time that they started to really bring those in and they became popular at slave labor prices. And I personally believe, and years ago I argued this by these Chinese AKs in 223. One, I can outfit three of my young soldiers here by a young militiamen, a really fine rifle, and then get magazines from China for, oh, at the time it was $5 apiece. But the other thing that, like you said, we looked at is, well, wait a minute, this is a 223 bolt. Look at how much narrower everything is. You know, I wonder if this will hold up. Well, what we did is, you know, my policy, let's take it out and beat the living snot out of it. And so we piled up a whole bunch of ammunition and we just burned that Chinese made .223 rifle. And I'm going to tell you something that even though it has a lighter duty system, it's narrower, a few other things they had to do to accompany .223. We never got it to malfunction. And I would say the same is true. If the Chinese jump metal could hold up like that, I don't think the Sega's will be a problem. And not only that, but remember, The Russians have been working at this for quite some time. We just haven't seen the 100 series rifles over here. When we started to see the SAKAs, that's where you were seeing the latest design in AK. This is where when we start picking off the corpses of whatever we put in to work to attack us here, you're going to be running into similar systems because we'll start running into the newer AKs in the hands of our enemies. One more thing that I know of too about the difference, and that is the GATs. It doesn't have grooves cut in it. It's just straight to it. That's an option, okay. One of the things to remember is they decided to cut back certain steps. Whenever they do that, we know that's the bean counters. Their logic is that because of the nature of the cleaning system, the way apparently decided they didn't need to accommodate the additional dirt to Hawaii, they have all the ripples and ribs, like in most weapons. The Germans did this with all of their stamps, like the MP40. almost all of those ripples and grooves and notches and nicks that you see were actually part of the self-cleaning production ammunition. They were producing carbon beans. The only thing is you find another integrated part-ish type of waffle, paint-o-the-waffle pattern designed to accommodate greater amounts of dirt. I don't think it would be an issue because it still has the venting ports and everything, right? I don't know what that is. It's not drilled and it looks like it's going to be an issue. You know what we do. take a look at how the originals were built you bur it and then you zit zit and now you've got the same evacuation options. Again I'd be careful there because again you've got to make sure you deburr the inside because where the running channel is you don't want to wear down any of the internals you know how that works. Now I think with Centerfire had the little packets of it and all that and it was like a little packet. So you had the how would I know if I could actually replace that I have on my boat with that. You got the Sega rifle? Well, what we're going to do is we're going to have to do research. One thing to remember, you've got other AKs, you're not going to lose, let's put it this way, that gas piston, that rod, so critical, and see if there are machine shops that are in Pennsylvania that are our allies, and they came in. We didn't wait for anybody to bring any in. Factory, military, you have to actually just cross-reference them. You'll notice they have a UGO option, Centerfire has their standard option. There are two there. Both of them, I would pick up some of those as an investment. I've mentioned this on the air. You're not going to lose a penny on those. In the long run, see this is like everything else. I tried to tell everybody to buy this stuff back when the Macaroupe magazines were 50 cents a piece. And if you bought 500 of them, they were a quarter a piece. What's a Macaroupe mag going for now? Yeah, if you can find them, $22, $23, they're now, you're now paying, you know, dollars or tens of dollars for something that when they came in, we were paying 50 cents if you just bought a handful. We bought a 500-count case, it was 25 cents apiece for a magazine. The same is true with any of these other parts right now. Well, probably the best example of what we just saw happen. Oh, all of a sudden somebody arbitrarily cuts off the Russians. Russian parts, whatever's out there, for the moment there's like a pregnant pause. Not everybody is changing their, you know, sliding the scale. But it's just like the Sega rifle you've got. When the Sega rifles were, when I first started, you know, mentioning the Sega's, the Sega's were under $200 apiece. In fact, you could buy a Sega for $165 and have lots of money left over to buy lots of ammunition. Today how much are Asega's going for? Well, they crept up fifty dollars at a time. The parts and everything else that go along with them, or spare parts, have varied up and down depending upon what blood has come in. But that blood is still a surplus blood. And this is a temporary benefit. This is not going to last. It's like anything else. Very few of any things in the military arms industry stays cheap. Because if it is a cheap It's only going to last so long and then that's all she wrote. And everything starts to creep up. F and FAL nice used to be $2 apiece. You're not $2 apiece anymore. So the same is true of these parts. You're not going to lose a penny on investing what, a total of $10 and you get five of the piston kits. My argument is I would bag them and tag them, which is what I do with everything. I'm sitting in a studio right now. I'm going through everything and bagging and tagging every electrical equipment I've got, including spares I'm picking up even as we speak. If I'm doing weapons parts, I'll bag it and I will tag it. I'll mark it on the inside and I'll put a label on the outside of it. That way when the time comes, not only can I support my rifle, but for $10 I can help out somebody else that might be a friend. Take them to the gun show and market them down the road for a few dollars and one set to pay for all the rest I keep. That's the way to look at the investment. It's only at $10 for five sets that, you know, are kind of, well, they work in AKs, even as they may not work in the Pacific AKs, you've got the best place to go for referencing to see which one, the Yugos are different. Yugoslavian weapon systems are all different. It's been their nature for years. Even their K98 Mausers. Everybody made a K98 Mauser. Yugoslavia made a beautiful K98 Mauser. And it's a Yugoslavian K98 Mauser, as in the Pusser Yugo. So just to buy from them, but the price was better to begin with, then the parts was reasonable, and pretty much has been, as we can see by what's showing up right now. So what the UGOs like to be able to market and undermine their competition and then make sure that you buy from them, like any Ford dealership. Anchor Razor is the blade. Square parts, buy them from us. That way you keep my machine shops running. So it's a toss up as far as like with the Sega's. The other consideration with these, like you said, you're seeing what is the latest, which is why they came from the Russian factories. You're seeing their latest design concepts, where they went. But the other issue is, again, as we know, magazines and whether or not you're going to commit to more of the systems or just make it as the odd man out. You like the rifle otherwise, right? Oh, yes. I haven't thought anybody has gone, oh my god, I wish I hadn't bought this Sega. Instead it's like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and it just keeps working. Wow. I really love that. That's just, that's Romanian. They run for all the Romanians build well. The thing is, remember they built first of all while somebody was cracking a whip over their head. They build well because they're applying their skills and they're a freer market. And they've come up with some really good products for a very good price, which is intelligent on their part. Anyway, anything else, sir? No, that's just, I'll see you out in just five, Mark. I just wanted to get your opinion on that and I appreciate it. Keep up the good work. You have to let's say. Thank you, sir. And thank you for bringing it up because now I'm going to have to do a little follow-up on the Sega, but I'm pretty sure, like I said, the 100 series and the 105 series rifle is what they're bringing in. And I think there's also the 109. 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And what would you recommend to try to bring in, I don't know if you still call it the possum, that, because I almost can never pick it up. And I just wanted to know your recommendations. I'd run another line, but I'd run it east-west. I'd just start reconfiguring how you've got that single model line run. I mean, not the one you've got up. I'd leave those where they are. If you're receiving and the signal is correct, on the positive net. They're probably listening this morning, I know a couple are. But what we do is we leave one leg of the line flexible and for instance I've got a mount in the back 40. I just finished reconnecting it because when we had the storm years ago that knocked part of it down. So I ran a particular location where I can actually go from tree to tree and the center post is up around about 20 feet with a couple of iron pipe. What I did is I went with a pulley or forgive me with a flexible articulated knuckle on the top of the pipe and I can disconnect the line at the other end and go to different locations, points of the compass to different trees actually. I don't bother putting the pipe up. I'll do is I'll put a hanger, a payload up there and then what I do is I hook the cable, hook, run my tensor line through, insulation the insulation is still hooked up to my primary copper line and then I tense it out, straighten it out, make sure it's stressed so that it doesn't wobble to create noise on the machine on the radio. Wobbling, as you know, antenna wiggle creates other problems. I just change configuration. What you've got up would be shit more than enough to pull in. The bottom net itself is everybody just matter what everybody bought in the way of a rig they're using right now. But it's also location, location, location as we know. And a lot of these guys... You never know if you're in the shadow or not. Exactly. Yeah, part of that's part of the problem. But also again, if you change where or how you have the line configured, remember, and again, changing how you pick up more that you have along that particular part of the fuzz, like on the edge of catching a signal, more of the array making contact with the seeds, and obviously you'll get better collection. pull it in, pull the signal in. Have you tried Planet V? Well that's another option. Yeah, you can go Planet V, you can go at Triple Leg, that's another thing, you know, again to create more of a collection array. Now you're getting more into the idea that you can still take your... normally I use the base of the V and what I'll do is I can move the arms accordingly so it works kind like you see those images of a radar beam where it's scanning the horizon but it's on the radar screen. Basically you can do the same thing. I treat it that way. That way you're collecting either part of the leg of the signal off, or forgive me, part of the signal off each of the legs. And if you do that, remember another trick? It doesn't have to be at the same height. Not only do you not, can you vary where you are points of the compass but bring one leg up higher than the other? you know, vary the pitch, the geometry of the collection array that you build. It's antenna theory, it's not antenna fact. It's not antenna law. It's antenna theory for a reason. I've never seen it so called antenna law. I was trying to get the end, you know, away from. The other thing about, remember like post-ammetry, these grids, stations and who picks up the signal, you know, runs the signal, propagation through the night, you know, how that works. You may get, you may snag that perfect signal off the east coast when it starts up. And one of the issues with whatever in the way of an array or why guys have re-extensive arrayed networks set up, you do a, you use a channel changer and you go from one array that you've already preset, your second array, which is another line, say, the hundred yards in the other direction, and you switch to the other cable that's rung, the other line that's rung, because that particular wave of signals coming in from, say, Ohio and Pennsylvania are going to be snagged with the other configured antenna. I have basically a rotary sweat. You fore-receive shortwave antennas I ever had. Bobwire fence, a bobwire fence. Remember that's for box hunters and military people who understand they don't want to have mortar shells delivered to their point of operation. Fence lines are your friend. The other thing is that you can also conceal. Now this is another thing that I've done for years. In fact, I just helped with a five mile format And when I say five miles guys, we're talking running five miles worth of line. But using old telepathy, large antenna array that is on standby. I'm going to build one bigger in the upper part. One is in the middle of the state and you'd never know it was there. You'd swear it was something, you know, the power line or a fence line or whatever. Behind it is that you can actually set up in a fence line quite an extensive antenna array. You can use the fence itself. you can use that barbed wire line or you could even camouflage a more sophisticated net like you said that worth the fence that goes around in the big square. The fence line is your friend and especially Fox Hunters know this from being you know chased you know being hunted where you have to throw a sigma out every so often. You could use whatever pieces of metal you can find but fence lines do not give that specific locator because the signal is posed over quite a distance but it also is very strong both reception and transmission so yes. And again, yes, we can't emphasize this enough. It's an antenna theory, not antenna law. Look at some old books. I'm talking in the teens, like, you know, between, say, 1909, early 20s. You know, find some of these old, everything you could imagine for antennas. Or they started coming out with how to design your antenna and the basic, I mean, some of the shapes they were... Anything to get the job done. Yeah. But also, again, they were working from... The other thing was, The next step is attaching or fixing or finding out or discovering ground planings. Now one of the advantages they had, this is something we talk about, let's add something to this. We're coming out of the age of I'm the team. And when I say that, it's like there's a whole world that's gone now. Before World War I, I wanted everybody to go find old black and white plate pictures of the 1880s and the 1890s. At that point in time, iron mongering and iron work was at its zenith. Because of this, there were fencing, there was, you know, the Adams family, you know those, remember the show Gomez, he's got that really crazy leer on his face while he's sharpening? You know, remember the divots on the top of the fence? Okay, well that was everywhere. Now just think about all those iron lines, those iron arrays that you had, what those would do to project the signal. I mean, just because it was, The fencing used to be everywhere like that, but also ironed grates, ironed fixtures on windows, which were already built in. Guys would hook up to those and you have like those, you know, you see them in the French movies a lot still, because they're still in a lot of the old buildings. But most of this stuff all got, you know, it became out of vogue, number one. World War I came along, we gotta save ourselves from the, from who? The Kaiser? He's not gonna invade the United States. But you know what they did? stripped the country of all of this old earth technology for the iron drives and the steel drives. And so we don't imagine what it was like to have all that stuff around. Well, at the end of World War II, World War I, forgive me, there was still a lot of that stuff in place and the radio operators before and after had been using this. Remember, too, again, they were using mostly crystal radio back then. I mean, there were the earliest of the tube technologies, military and propulsion, spark gap systems, crystal everybody was back then everybody was taught to build their own crystals everybody built everything from scratch and then it was like how can I make this work I'm on the fifth floor of most you do something all day his apartment wait a minute there's something steel it's iron outside hey wait a minute let's hook up to that and see what it does and I mean because remember you had these little they look like they were literally like they were ornamentation but they weren't they were actually like a little buck of iron grating that was around the base of the window. It usually came up about a third of the way. They were ornamentation, but they were also like a safety feature thing for being able to hook cable wire or like, you know, ladders to. And those were everywhere. And I've seen write-ups on that where they were using those things, those and other items like it. Higher escape ladders, stuff like that that make antenna rays too. You know, you're absolutely right. They were innovative, but when I mentioned ground plane, I got off on an angle. Ground planes, Well, think about how many plates of steel and iron, and what about railroad boilers, and what about train cars, and what about, you take an antenna, top of a steel roof or tin roof train car, the corners of the front end of the car to the middle of the back end of the car, you put a couple of sticks up there and you run your insulators, and then you've got that sheet metal roof to work for a ground plane. And not only that, but maybe it's just a dog like a hanger queen railroad car and it moves around the yard, but it doesn't go anywhere. Wow, you've got a really cool transmission platform. For HF and transmitting, one thing a lot of people forget, hooking your antenna to the radio. Sure that works, but you get a good ground rod and hook that to the ground of your radio. When you're in the field, you carry copper rod. Copper pipe. Yeah, copper pipe. I've got copper rods because we get used to get them all the time. People would be sending them to the scrap jury because they'd pull them out of the houses and they'd pull all the metal up. Place in Ipsley, Michigan where they let you take stuff from the yard. You can buy it in our radio trucks. We have two or three, plus iron pipe. I mean, if you're going to abandon it, if you think you might have to leave it, put piece iron pipe, drill it, and then cut the box so you create a stake, a staking effect. Always have a couple of ball peen and sledgehammers, handheld sledgehammers to drive your grounds. And remember you can make, for instance, if you're using a really long rod, rather than trying to beat and bend something, make a steel pipe. You can handle it on the base of that, just like when you run a short same thing. Bing, bing, bing, bing. Typically you can get it down in there without bending. And if you're careful, you might even be able to recover it. Again, if you put a copper on that rod, that copper pipe or rod, you can get it back out. Because once you put it in, you might want to move it out if you're mobile. You're absolutely right. grounding is the other issue but iron pipe is a solution copper is always better can't emphasize that enough guys that's why I mentioned copper is better but iron will work it's just copper is a better conductor needless to say we could make it a bit cold it'd be nice but who can't it's soft well they do silver when I installed transmitters for TV stations oh yes we always put that wire mesh and if it was a big hole the whole moisture in a while you'd go out there with your hose and make sure the water's in there so you don't get a very good ground. Now that's something again, I've seen the material but I've never applied it in such a volume. We do it with shortwave stations. Typically again where we were installing, we're wet here you know that, we're Michigan. Same with Georgia, when I was helping with shortwave stations, the big ones, we had 500 foot time, all the ones here below, but I had to get out and help with a couple of them that we built down in Georgia. Again, high moisture content there, but I can understand that. Where you're out west makes everything link, you know, work together. So that's something. Thank you for bringing that up. I'm going to actually have to make that part of what's going on out west. We do have some big, we have several military, well, more than a few. We have a lot shortwave units that are trailer mounted, the transmitter. That's why we just did this array. These are in for guests and you run like hell because the moment you turn this signal on and you start squawking to the point where we've got them and and they would send out a signal that would send it, you know, that would talk. And you turn them on, so thank you for bringing it up. See here we don't worry about that. We have all the moisture, we need it too much. Wes, if we deployed there, that would be an issue, especially, again, we've been talking about the desert. I'm trying to remember correctly, but it was something I've been admitting on the police in years, you know, like seven years to never catch them, semi-portable, I guess, who apparently was in his car. Then I read an article in like communication, one of those, about how they finally caught them a ballpark range, that's how they were able to catch their transmitting. The horizontal plane tracking, so you know, direction, then you have a third dimension from above, you know, targeting downward, give you that, give you that bearing, minimize the area of activity, you know, minimize the area for activity, active search. You could use local, you'd be using local scan to identify any, like I've said, I can track every cop shop radio, every government radio here without listening. Everybody, frequency counters are a wonderful thing, guys. They're close or if they're far. And here's the other thing. If you can use an 800 meg scanner and what you do is you ID the cop shop radio. It could be a spy, could be an undercover, whatever. Hearing a cell phone. Every cell phone has a transponder signal. Once I know that I've got a cop shop spy rat radio that I've already ID'd or more than one of them, All I have to do is take the 800 meg frequency scanner and I get a benchmark for the number. Anytime that number shows up, I know that even if he's not carrying the radio because he's trying not to conceal himself, I've got his self. We have, it's kind of like, you know, you don't need to hear what they're saying. If you see a cluster screw of a whole bunch of numbers showing up in an area a given distance, you've got some kind of questionable activity going on. You don't have to hear them, you don't have to break their encryption. If all you could do is just turn and scan an area and go, bing! Well, that kind of helps you to identify a threat. One last thing. Just with the air-shoeing and reverse order. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't know if they still do it. I haven't picked up the air-open. And when they're running a house or a telephone line, when they run a telephone line from the pulx on the house line that's coming off the pulp going down around and all of a sudden there's like, you know, 80 feet, 40 feet of the stuff laying on the side of the road over, because that's the best antenna wire is copper-coated steel. Grab it. They have a roll I've been saving. I see all the construction rolls that are out there as far as just the roll plastic rolls down. They're all plastic. Any cardboard, no cap on either end, start watching the construction sites because the new ones are all plastic across the board so they won't break down and they don't rust and they don't fall apart. The extensions like that where they play, the linemen are supposed to carry them away but like you said a lot of times around left and right and since it's in the grass and water like it's you know just off the site. If you pay attention and the guy's working, if you ask him, he'll give the stuff to you. Because they're not going to keep it. They're not doing anything with it. They just trash it. So a good point. I've got miles of it here. I literally do. Ed was really great for that. When we had the tornado, Ed went out and started asking the guys, hey, what are you going to do with all that? He knew what the answer was going to be. And they gave him every roll that he had, every piece, every extension that they had to take down. Because even if it wasn't failed, They placed a lot of line anyway, and this is the tornado belts, and they'll evaluate that by sag. And if they see that the line looks like it's sagging beyond its normal spec, guys, they'll take it down anyway. Well, if we're doing the antenna wire, it'll work flawlessly. Like you said, it's perfect. But you can, because then you can have rolls of wire all over the countryside. And when you need one out in the middle of nowhere, like if you're in battlefield mode, You can hook up the line and then fire and forget. Put it in place, connect your radio and run like hell. Good school. Well Joe, I made that promise thing and I wanted to thank you guys and I gotta run. Yes, my daughter told me as soon as I came through the door again this morning. Thank you Bill. Thank you sir. You're welcome. Okay. And we are at the top here Mark. No way! Already? Yeah man, you guys are fast and furious. 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