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You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because MainMilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need, all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at MainMilitary.com. That's Main, like the state, Military.com. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. And this is the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors, so their children can be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms He fought to keep what would be your answer if he called out from the grave is? Distill the land of the free Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is the second hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm R. Kirky. And I'm Darryl Sivik. Alright, one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters. Both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, central, east and south. Ladies and gentlemen you were listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, Indiana Freedom Talk Radio.com. We're on AM and FM micro stations, CB Bay stations, and the alternate hallmark and golden spike projects across the United States, east and west of the Mississippi, along with Alaska. Darryl, it went from gray all day to blue sky and some sun this afternoon. Still clouds here and there. In fact, we've got some mixed cloud cover passing through, but mostly blue sky. What's it like in your neck of the woods, and what's this date today, sir? Well, it is Wednesday the 24th, which is, makes it weapons Wednesday, but it is still gray here. The clouds haven't cleared off as of yet. We've only gotten a trickle of rain, not anywhere near what we could have got, but it made for a nice humid day, if you like, humidity, which I don't function well with. As you can tell in my voice, I don't function well when the humidity is real high. That's the scoop is what's going on here. And let's see before we go any farther, any gun shows coming up? Anything that we should know about where you're going to be in the next couple of weeks, next month? Well, the Washington County Gun Show is coming up in Washington, PA on July the 26th and 27th, which is my, actually my wife's birthday, 27th? Boy, I better get the right day. She'll hammer me with a hammer. Then September we have another one in Washington, P.A. on the 20th. Then we have one on September 13th. We just got it in the mail today and I don't write down where it's at but we got one coming up there. That's as far as I got right now. I'll have more on that other show come next week. very good and of course is weapons wednesday for everybody out there just a quick heads up again here for everybody uh... and i've posted this in the chat room already wrapped four dot com w w w dot rep for dot com while we were on break i give a spot call To find out if they had the vest that I'm going to mention in a minute what the I was looking to see how many of the eight colored Multikim slash no name brand multi cam or woodland camel rifles slash assault vest they had I'll get an answer for that at the end of this program because as soon as I get off the air I'm gonna grab the phone or jam hang up Reconnect with the other company and find out what their numbers are they gonna call the warehouse as it is Again, www.rapfor.com, then go to the clearance section, then go to vests. They have rifle, tactical, and utility vests with many pockets. This is a Mali. These are all Mali systems, guys. Basically, it's the Mali II type system is what it is. and each of the vests, you can change the whole panels up, you can switch out gear. They've got panels front and back as far as slots and stations and whatever. So this is a modular system, $20 a vest. Now, the camouflage patterns available are ACU, CAD-PAT, Woodland, and 8-color desert. It's in the clearance section. This is a drop price. I've seen them go a little bit lower but not much. These were about $28.30 a piece on sale. So they've come down for the usual quarter or half year price to clear inventory. They want to restock. It means that they probably have odds and ends. So I don't know what the numbers will be. I don't expect it to be hundreds. Instead it will be 10 of this, 8 of that, maybe 50 or 40 or 30 or something. and they want to move them out because they've got to order a block of new inventory. Well, they don't want the old inventory sitting on the shelf, they don't even want to have to sort it. The easiest way to do that is start moving it out and of course it could be taxes, bookkeeping, who knows. Who cares? The idea is $20 a vest. Now these vests, there's pictures of each one of them. They have the US pistol belt hanger at the bottom so you put a standard Alice You can get a pistol belt for a couple of dollars, you can buy multiples right now and get them for about $3 or $4 a piece. If you buy quantity, pick out the best one for your gear. Now you've got a hanger pistol belt down below and you can put more pouches on. This company, like many of the others that are these paintball and whatever, by the way the same stuff is being sold by Sportsman's Guide and a dozen other companies, and we've beat the snot out of this stuff. It's one thing it was $100 but it's not. We're talking $20 a vest. So this is great for backup, 510 program equipment for issuing out to troops and it's in camouflage. So if you're looking for Woodland, if your unit's standard on Woodland, I've been bringing up all these cheap Woodland items, they're out there all over the place. Woodland is a, as I used to say in the industry, is a drug on the market right now. There's tons of it. Tons. It's all over the place. Surplus and it's good equipment. There's nothing wrong with it. So you can literally outfit top to bottom in a Woodland camouflage probably cheaper than any other camel except maybe three-colored desert. Three-colored desert is cheap. How many places it's useful is the question. The CAD pad is Canadian digital. ACU is the American digital. And again, the eight-colored desert for those people who are multi-camaholics. and you have a bunch of troops that are doing multi-cam this is a way to put multi-cam on the guys who said I can't afford the 180 or 260 dollar vest I can't afford the multi-cam gear it's like five times the cost which it is it's really stupid it doesn't cost any more to make but they're charging arm leg and your first born son okay So this is a chance to get some multi cam, a multi cam assault vest and it's got AKAR type pouches. They're long in their variable geometry. They've got the Velcro closure front with a big long flap. It's got a built in but replaceable holster system. In this case it's a righty because it's a left hand side but it's a righty built in front pistol holster. Many other pouches. You've got to take a look at the pictures. Rather than me trying to explain it in the radio, many other pictures, $20 a vest. lots of lots of image available so you can figure out whether or not it's what you want and for the price you can't really beat it if you're looking to build a 510 program and you're listening out there there you go if you're looking for some backup gear to stuff up north or in a cabin and put in a nice steel container so the critters don't get to anything you know a metal cans here's some web gear you can have all loaded up packed up ready to go you reach in the can you pull it out everything's ready and you didn't have to worry about dragging anything along because you know it's already there For auxiliary cache equipment, it's already there. And again, because of the type of industry, the mag pouches are quite generous with regard to being able to handle even probably 40 round AK mag pouches, which is something to take into consideration. Because a lot of places don't have those. And if they do, they want to charge you extra because it's bigger. In this case, it's standard coming right along with the rest of the items that are on the rig. So, again, that's www.rap4.com. Go to clearance, then do vests, and there they have rifle, tactical, and utility vests. This is what I wrote down in the chat room there. With many pockets for AK and AR. The utility vest you could use for your other rifleman vest for grand bolt guns because you use the pistol belt to mount your cartridge pockets on. and it would be basically the pistol belt would work like a cartridge belt that you see in world war you know Korea, world war two, world war one for the grand or for the stripper clips for like the nagat that would be perfect plus there's lots of other pouches that are smaller up above but also utility pockets your medics can only be also be covered by using that utility vest also lots of bulk pockets for especially guys who need to keep things in pockets that they're going to use to stop you from bleeding and leaking to death Some would take any consideration there. So there's a solution. Again, you want to look like a can head so you can get close to shoot there. When they're in the US when they start playing games, nice to have a complete CAD-PAT system. And CAD-PAT's out there, if you look around at Chinese copy, well, here's the best that goes along with it. Plus, it's also a pretty good deal. All these digital patterns that are woodland or CAD-PAT, Mar-Pat, whatever, they could be mixed up and it really wouldn't be a problem. Those will blend in pretty well. In fact, it would give you more of a forest combination. But for standardization, the woodland, lots of woodland stuff out there. Right now, some brand new ripstop woodland uniform shirts came in, up to 3x and only $5 a unit. Military surplus, not American, no foreign, but for $5 brand new in ripstop, guys, come on. There's a lot more stuff out there like that. Anyway, one of the things we wanted to point out, you do black powder in Flintlock. Now guys, I want to bring this up. Even though we use rustic technology, we can modernize all of our storage and transport and we're going to do that, aren't we? In other words, if we have powder, if we have spare components or whatever, we can make up a modern kit that keeps everything dry and super clean, right? There's a commercial mix that you can buy, I forget the name of it, it caught me off guard here, but there's a commercial mix that you can buy that makes with your black powder, especially for your flash pan if you're usually in a flash pan. to keep it dry even when it's raining or wet outside. But if you're using flintlock and you don't have access to that stuff and you want to keep your flash pan dry, there's an old trick the old mountain mint used to do and that would be to put a string in the flash hole and pour your powder in, number 4F powder for your flash pan, then close the frizzen down. Then they would use either wax or bear grease to seal all around the seam and then pull the string out and then where the little hole is that the string was you put another daub of wax or bare grease or whatever kind of grease you had and that will seal that and protect it from the rain. And all you have to do is collect back and pull the hammer back and squeeze the trigger off and you'll get a nice decent spark as long as your flint is in good working order now. Remember, that's a key thing there. You can have dry powder, but if your flint isn't kept sharpening in good working order, you can sit there and spark all day long and not get a flash. That's just a little trick that the old timers taught me. I'll pass that information on to those out there. Like I said, that's if you only have a flintlock to work with. You can load modern cartridges if you run out of powder. Regular powder, you can reload modern cartridges with black powder. You just have to load them down a little bit so that you don't overload them. The factor was a manual out there that had all the different calibers transferred over to black powder. But there again, since Mark caught me off guard, I don't have that information on top of my head. That's okay. Well, now the reason I'm bringing it up is because most people are thinking if we have black powder weapons, that everything is going to be, I mean, the weapon itself can be a reproduction of an older weapon system. But as far as how we transport the powder, it can be as modern as any carrier or canister system that we have to be airtight. Just the canisters themselves would have changed the battlefield in 1776. Just think about that. Protection from moisture would have meant that your weapons work pretty much all the time, whereas whole battles were canceled because of rain. Yeah, that's what most people realize, rain because everybody's powder was wet. The R powder was wet, the British powder was wet. Now the Brits didn't mind using the bayonet, but they did like to use their muskets a little bit beforehand. And they had to get a little bit too close to the soldiers with the bayonet. Yeah, and so everybody decided maybe we'll call this offer today. And they did until they could dry the powder or get new powder stocks, you know, new inventory that would be issued out from the quartermaster as they go into the field, guys. So, just something to take into consideration, but don't abuse your modern ammunition because you think it's modern ammo. In the same way, I've talked over and over again about creating barriers and in multiple layers. The government spent virtually millions and then billions of dollars in storage research. We don't have to guess. We know what we can do and we can reproduce it to a degree. We don't have the vacuuming systems, although we can make them. And in fact, if you go to YouTube, they'll even show you, there are people who have improvised all kinds of vacuum packing systems that can be made from off the shelf junk and stuff people are getting rid of. So you don't see, don't tell me you can't do it, but just by protecting in general. by being able to seal up with Tupperware type containers, or in this case any number of different small containers that can handle a little bit of abuse out in the field, it's totally changed the dynamic of transport of powder of this kind. Plus you've got modern projectiles in the Sable, the whole nine yards, don't you? You can recycle the old military ammo cans. And if you're looking for something to maybe displace the moisture, it might be in that can when you go to load it. If my recollection is correct, you can give it a shot of ether in the can just before you seal it up and that will displace the moisture and force the moisture out. You can also put this gun in there and that will help absorb whatever is left in there as far as moisture goes in. And that can can be stored for Well, until it rushed through as far as that goes. Years past I've gotten hold of some .45 ammo that was dated 1918. People say, well gee, that's almost 100 years old. Yep, yep, and it worked just fine. It cycled to .45 like nobody's business. Of course, that was about 15 years ago, but still. The fact of the matter is it was 80 year old ammo. I don't know where it was stored. It's just something I had picked up. In fact, now I can kick myself in the butt for shooting it, but it was white tracer. In fact, it was head stamped 1918. Just because it's got an old stamp on it, if the shell doesn't look badly corroded or have stretch marks on it from corrosion. You know what I'm talking about. You've seen metal when it gets corroded, especially where it's around thin, around the neck. The thing will swell. The corrosion will swell it up. Well, then you know you don't want to go shooting that. But if there's no cracks or swelling in the casings, why you can still go ahead and use that round. And even if it didn't go off, If you did nothing more than use it for target practice, if it didn't go off, you can always pull it out later and restuff it with fresh powder and primers. Just because it's old doesn't mean it can't work. Very good. And again, for everybody out there that's looking for a solution, don't forget that, like I said, China Sport, there's a lot of containers that have screw caps. They're watertight, beer tight. For holding little charges of powder. pre-bagged or pre-measured powder components that are inside another container that ensures that if one is compromised it's only one container but several loads could be restored there. Now SABO projectiles, I mean pretty much everybody is making, I won't say everybody but pretty much all the major companies that do black powder are making SABO that is as sophisticated as any modern rifle cartridge right now as any bullet that would go into a modern cartridge. SABOs allow for uniform pressure. You're looking at incredible stability. They still take advantage because of the SABO of the rifling. The SABO discards, the projectile goes down range at a higher velocity. And all this from a black powder gun. So we can get modern accuracy with the comparable to smokeless with black powder weapons. Something to take into consideration especially if you're looking at down the road having to improvise, adapt, and overcome. Or you may access a certain piece of equipment and you're trying to figure out how to make it work or have it in the system in your mechanism, your toolbox, ready to run. So as far as SABO goes, Do they go all the way up into the Brown Bess? Smooth border. I've not really looked. That's something I never checked. I know they've done everything else. I haven't checked either, but occasionally I go looking. I don't think they go all the way up to the Brown Bess. The Brown Bess is 75 caliber, something in the 70s, 72 or 75. That shoots one hunk of a lid. And speaking of that, since you brought that up, up in Canada, The Brown Bass is classified as an anti-tank weapon because of the bore diameter. I'll repeat that. It's classified as an anti-tank weapon because of the bore diameter. So you figured that one out. How clever of a British to develop an anti-tank weapon 200 or 300 years before tanks were invented. Centuries before. I forget that the Brown Vests were in service for quite some time. There were about three or four versions of them that they had out there all together. In the same way with the Charleyville. The Charleyville was a 69 caliber and there again another massive chunk of lead going downfield. Even an individual can take a, if he's so inclined and he doesn't have access to the 69 caliber or 79 caliber Brown Bess or Charleyville, he can only take a little one out of wood and haul it out and put the lead ball down in it and when it fires it out, it goes out through the barrel, of course the wood would split off and the lead would continue downfield. If you have a lathe you could do that. Once you got it turned and the bore diameter for the bolt drilled through, you could take and split that in half, cut in half lengthwise and stuff that down your barrel. If they're close enough you can give them wood splinters. and leadplacing. It burns, it hurts, it burns good. It was supposed to. Congratulations. So, use your imagination. And then there's the old trick that they used to use. Try this again. Have you heard the expression buck and ball? Okay. The buck and ball, where that came from was the fact that the militia would use some, I believe it was, depending on their size, gun that had some number four shot, which is pretty big. They would put about 12 of those down their barrel and then they would ram down the regular size ball. Therefore, when they fired it, not only did they get the projectile that they were shooting the .45, .50, .54 caliber downrange, get the effectiveness of that, but then it would also have a scatter pattern that would chew up the flesh of people standing close by. That's something else. It was the forerunner of the modern shotgun, if you want to call it that. Forerunner of what they call the quad loads. Anything that you can think of, you can do. Very good. Again, one of the things to remember is that it's purely a matter of considering it a placement gun. In many cases, like I said, the Mr. Dolby character in the Battle for the Republic books, Mr. Dolby is using a 43 Egyptian Remington Rolling Block single-shot rifle. But it's one of those he got from Sarco years ago for $75 and it was in pristine condition when the first ones came out. and he knows where to put the bullet. He's not going to fire twice necessarily from the same spot, nor is he going to fire in the same direction if he does. Typically picking his shots through houses, neighborhoods, etc. That single shot weapon, it serves to restrict the shooter so he's forced to think and move, which is what a placement shooter should be doing. You fire once from a position, you move. While you're moving, you can be reloading if it's a muzzleloader. And for that matter, there's all kinds of other issues where it's not something you just necessarily toss out. Everybody's going, Mark, you're talking about muzzleloaders in the space age! Well, there's a little tongue-in-cheek joke on that that I know from Sci-Fi, a novel from back in the 70s I bring forward, but not right now. Well, he went back then in the Revolutionary War and the French and Indian War and back when they were using flintlocks. Even with the Civil War and the advent of the percussion, they had pre-made cartridges already made up. And how they did this was they took a piece of newsprint or newspaper and they would get a dowel and make it for the size cartridges they were needing and make it long enough to hold the powder charge using the dowel to roll the paper around and pull the dowel out, tie off an end. And actually some of them waxed the end, but then they dropped the ball down in there, put a string around where the ball was so they know which end had the ball in it. Then they would take and fill the rest of the paper cartridge with the powder charge and then fold the end over. Now for long term storage those ends when they were folded over were waxed. So you just took your little pocket knife or knife that you had and you lifted that wax off of there and pulled up the end, tore it off with your teeth. The British soldier back in 1776 at the time of our revolution, the only physical requirement that they required was that they had two teeth, one upper and one lower, so they could bite off the end of the cartridge. You prime your flash pan and then you dump the powder down and then you seeded the rest of the cartridge down in against the powder charge. And the paperwork is a wadding by the way too. Excuse me, Charles. Go ahead and get a call or jump in there. Yeah, this is Russell Lott in Brooklyn. I'm going to have a 54 caliber kit gun that I put together. Anyways, what I want to shoot is a little jet with a Jacob's chuck. I want to turn like a half inch piece of drill rod and then I'm going to use a cross patch like the old target shooters used to use out of a milk chuck for my Sabo. So you'll dump your powder charge in, set that cross patch, put that half inch piece of rod on the milk jug, and then set the cedar on the powder, cap it off, and you know, take out ballistic glass, I think, or at least go through body armor. And even if it didn't go through body armor, let's put it this way, they're going to feel a sudden impact someplace. Yeah, it's going to be what gets answered is the flaming ball. Yeah, if you're using a drill rod, depending on how big a piece you're using and what the weight of it is, and if you turn it down, put a nice sharp point on it, and then it... Exactly. Excuse me. Then after you turn it, you take and you just harden that tip just a little bit. You know how to harden steel, right? Yes sir, I make my old springs. There you go. There you go. You take that drill rod, you turn it down to whatever size you want, whatever point you want on there, and then just heat treat that tip to where it gets hard. That way when it hits, it's going to mess up their body armor. It will get out. No, I don't think it's your armor on those in-wraps. Well, I don't know. I believe it's there's two different ways that they were building those. Number one is a, what is it? Three quarter inch, half inch or three quarter inch from Virginia Steel reinforced with a Kevlar inner panel, but they also do sandwich armor. And I don't know, depending on the year, because there were four different companies at least that make the carriage, or not the carriage, but the over chassis, the over body, the body can be dumped on several different fixtures down below. You know different models but basically the same bolt ups and that was intentional. That's something they did with Cadillac gauge years ago with their 100 series armored cars. They got a lot of guys in the Air Force use them. They took a standard GMC truck, took all the body parts off and you took the Cadillac gauge armor body and just set it right on. Both are in place with the standard fixtures and you got yourself an armored car. Most people don't know that. They figure it's all special construction. Yes, but your dart might not penetrate that, but it would do damage to other things. Remember, once it's accurate enough to hit something and put the bullet where you want to or projectile, there's a lot of stuff on there you want to break and bust up anyway. Attrition is attrition. If you wanted to get rid of the radio gear ripping off the antenna with something, it will take it off like a, you know, snap it like, well, the fixture like a twig, there you go. The Humvees, when they were first being deployed in, forget whether it was Desert Dust 1 or Desert Dust 2, now we're getting ready for Wag the Dog 3. But anyway, in the early days of one of those two conflicts, They had the light body armor, their standard body armor, and then they had to pull them off the line because they were having a slight problem. Them damn compounder Iraqis and Talibanis and Al-Qaeda's and all that that had those old bolt-action Malzur-Nagants with some of the old Russian 7.62x54 ammo was turning them into Swiss cheese because the armor that they The head plated with was only designed as a light armor. In other words, it was designed to stop the 7.62 by 39, but not anything heavier. Then these cowheads had these bolt-action rifles, so they made them step back and do some rethinking. I don't know how heavy their armor is now, but if they're still using that same configuration, or if they went back to the lighter armor. So it's more up on the Humvee and that would have to be able to come through with that info. I have no intention of giving up my smoke poles. We've got our Otzixes, our Nagants, lots of 12 gauge, all of that. But my smoke poles are going to be with us for the duration. Yeah. Something else while you're thinking of it, just don't remember this. Restriction of your black powder to just powder cartridges. It can be used for other things, in theory. I still use loose black powder. I set a permit on that and caps and all that sort of thing. You follow what I'm saying about in theory, we use it for other things. Yes, sir. Just like empty CO2 containers, in theory, could be made into certain little nasty things. Oh, yeah. We were doing some of that in high school. You know all that stuff that we used to do when we were kids is now illegal and land you in jail. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, exactly. Just shows you how corrupt and communistic our government has gone. And the dictator and, the taster and sleaze in Washington, I mean dictator and sleaze in Washington are pushing. Everybody underestimates the accuracy too on the black powder. I had a Thompson Center .45 caliber Hawking gun. At that time you had to drill a tang yourself to put a burner sight on it. But with those double set triggers, I filed my front sight so that I could get a finer sight picture. My buddy had a river heavy barometer number one with a rangefinder scope. Once I got my ranges down, my kill ratio was 75% at 200 yards. If you want to improve the accuracy of any gun, it doesn't matter whether it's the black powder, the smoke pole, or the modern day weapon, shrink that compound at sight, both front and rear. Okay. You put smaller. Well that's the problem. They're only having a problem. I bought a Mossberg ROT-6 with a scope on it. It has some through the barrel. It's a dandy little rifle, but it has no iron sights. Well then find somebody to put one on. But when you do, put some sights on there. Measure them for the right way. I have them my 1939 Remington target rifle. It is like a micrometer. That thing is a cat driver. If I had that on a Mossbork, if you remember the movie Braveheart, no wrong movie, Patriot, Mel Gibson tells his boys, remember what I said about age? If you ever look at some of the old weapons, I had at one time a 1903 Springfield. I still got one. I had one of those and it has a real tiny front sight as far as thickness goes, a real fine blade. The rear sight is real small. I have a 45-70 trap door. It's the same way. The sight is real thin. The reason for that is you're not covering up your target but you're being able to see just exactly where you are aiming on your target. Therefore, you shoot just a little more accurately. Well, that's why I have my 45-70 set up, too. With that rotor sight, like I told Mark, it's like shooting an allager. It's a kick in the butt when you see what it does when it hits. If I remember my history, and I don't think anything has happened to change that, the longest documented shot for open sight, I'm not talking about scoped weapons or sniper rifles or anything, but the longest documented shot was down those walls. 45-70, Trapdoor Springfield in one of the Indian wars. I forget exactly where, but it was somewhere around 1,000 yards, if not longer. I thought it was the Dolby Rawls when it was done with the sharks, 50-70. I think it was the 40- well, I could be wrong. It's been years since I've read this stuff. He smoked a Comanche Chief sitting on a ridge. They were a bunch of Bucklar hunters. They cornered them in a place called the Dopey Walls. It was an old Spanish Rowan. I forget the man's name. Because he was PO'd, I said, I'm going to get that saw and saw and he did. It just goes to show you, if you know your weapon, and this comes from shooting it and cleaning it and knowing it, Sleep with it. Whenever Mark and I close the show, I always say, don't forget to hug your rifle. Hug your rifle. Yeah. Okay. There's a reason for that. There's a reason for that because you're getting to know it. If my wife wouldn't be so stick in the mud, I'd be sleeping with one. Hey, God bless you guys. Keep up the good work. Thank you. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Bye. Again, for everybody out there, black powder, it's nothing to sneeze at. One of the things, you mentioned the double set triggers, for a short time there were some phenomenal single shot black powder, they were dueling pistols, but they were modern cut weapons, modern steel, and these things were tack drivers for $37. I tried to get people to buy them because at the very least it was a fun weapon to take out. Again, it's basically the rifle action, double set trigger system, the whole nine yards, cap and ball. By the way, the guy also made them. There was a company here in Michigan that built these years ago. All phenomenal quality for the finish, walnut stocks for everything that he built, although he did cherry also for a presentation, with a lot of silver inlay. Silver rod inlay. And anyway, these pistols really, you know, the fun thing was taking the range and seeing how far you could reach with them. And 200 yard shots with a handgun like that where you could again, support it, you know, mildly support it. The idea was pull it, aim it, mildly support it, pull the trigger, and let's see what kind of a frontiers when you are. Remember, pre-Civil War and even during the Civil War, single-shot pistols were still very common. Everybody preferred something that had multiple shots. Having a boot gun in a single-shot pistol was not uncommon as a, you know, again, just beyond the reach of a dagger, but, you know, closer than my rifle because we're in a brawl. especially in the Civil War. Look at the kind of fighting that was going on. Well before the war revolvers were not as common and were cherished and were unique and very expensive by comparison, reasonably priced. And of course the old story about what's your life worth. But most men still carried single shot, you know, cap and ball and before that flintlock pistols. They carry a brace, sometimes carry more than two depending on how much money they had or how seriously they took their handguns. In this case, this particular pistol could easily reach 200 yards comfortably, rifled 45 caliber. Again, a reasonable kick. The only thing that he had changed, Darrell, is in the model that was the modern version, of course it was a direct copy except He did modify the wood stocks to create a bit of a comb at the top. Normally it would have a long sweeping arc that allows the gun to roll in your hand. Instead he put a comb at the top. This allowed for complete ergonomic control and when you drilled the gun into the target and fired, it recoiled in a more familiar fashion to say the .45s or any of the big revolvers we see today. So it's really an interesting set of weapons. Guys, you run into them now, you might find them at flea markets or yard sales. Hey, that's another handgun that when the time comes, if you know you're going to be shooting at people, anything and everything loaded, the bullet goes down range. I have a modern version, modern production of a .50 caliber flintlock pistol. And I carry it during deer season. Dan, my buddy's place, he says, I got, there's a tree limb in my way up here. He says, can you take that out for me? I said, well, yeah. So I pulled out that .50 caliber pistol and then about 35 yards, I aimed, I said, where do you want me to take it off at? And he says, oh, how about two or three feet below the front of the, I said, okay, so I pulled up and I fired and I had to shoot it twice because it was a pretty big limb. Took half of it out with the first shot and then I had to reload and fire a second one and take it out. But, you know, it don't take much to make a, when you're shooting a .50 caliber, it doesn't take much to make a one inch hole with two shots. That was a new cartridge based on what they were saying in the movie. That was a new experimental cartridge and a new experimental gun. He was doing his own reloading since he was down in Australia. He said that the bullet from the British Martini Henry that they were using at the time with paper patching would work just fine in his If you remember the movie, he had that the store owner was also a gunsmith and worked the weapons. In fact, the gun was basically a Creedmoor. It's a Creedmoor class rifle because Creedmoor is actually the range where a lot of these high-end sniper type or game getting rifles were developed. It's a dropping block system that he had. Again, there are a number of different Creedmoor variants that were custom built. All of them were in the 4590, 45100, 45120. That's just like imagine the 4570 cartridge, but built almost twice as long. Each one progressively is longer because it handles that much more black powder. Years ago, there used to be a couple of companies back in the Civil War reenactment era that were building Creedmoor, Remington Rolling Block and also a couple of the other dropping block designs and sharps. Don't forget sharps. They're out there. Now the problem is it's been so many years, those are worth money. I mean collectors money. Whereas before they were considered just a gun across the counter. and they're beautiful weapons. The single shot dropping block, sealed breach, there's nothing to interfere, there's no working parts. When you pull the trigger it's a sealed system, so you focus completely on putting the bullet on target. Oh, those guns reached to 500 yards. Easily. Oh no, easily. No, I'm just saying that, you know, 800 yard shots, 1,000 yard shots in the competition, and for game getting out on the prairie was normal with those weapons. When he was shooting at that bucket, if I remember right, when he was shooting at that bucket in the one scene when he was demonstrating the weapon, that was somewhere around 1,100 feet, about a quarter of a mile. All of these or not, the weapons could do that. The range is purely a matter of what you're willing to get. You want advantage of these guns. Remember, I've talked about this with the Craft Door 4570 loading it with a 500 grain bullet. No noise, no muzzle flash, and I'm putting a 500 grain bullet on target at 100 yards in a quarter sized group. Well, I don't need to have it traveling at the velocities of my M16 when it's a 500 grain projectile. The freight train that just rolled in is going to bull you over sideways. That's basically what they were doing with these weapons. Once you've perfected your point of impact and you understand what your ranges are, reaching 1,000 yards or greater would not be a problem. The thing is understanding the performance of the bullet when it gets to the other end. And that's where the issues are. We've got a 500 grain, 450 grain, 350 grain, although 350 would be light for those rifles. I mean, easily the 500 grain, when I was buying Hornady and Spear, people that taught me to do that were all guys that had been shooting black powder when they were kids. You know, they actually were using these weapons for normal game getting. They were in their 70s and 80s. We were paying attention to what they were talking about. It's like, wait a minute. Now if we take some of this new, quieter, burning smokeless powder and we combine that as far as less smoke, in other words we're eliminating the visible marker, which if you drop the powder charge down the black powder you can knock down your signature quite a bit. Then we've got that big bullet going down range in that same black powder case, which is what a 45-70 case is. It was a transition case because it went to smokeless powder. But it's a black powder cartridge to begin with. What would a modern day equivalent be? You mean as far as that cartridge? Yeah, whatever. 444 Marlin. Oh, okay. There's a good one. That's a good round. In fact, you're still, God, Darrell, I think you still see those at the show. 444 Marlins. Yeah, 444. There was another Marlin that, another one that Marlin made at 480, or is that a 480 Remington? Or maybe that was 480 Ruger. Oh, all of them went into the 460 and the 480 range with new cases. Some of those didn't catch on. A couple only lasted two or three years and they offered them. They didn't really snag because of when they were introduced. Remember 460 Rigby and 416, 418, 460 custom bullets, custom made guns, both Ruger. And Ruger was actually quite notorious for that for many, many years. So it's not surprising to see Rugers, especially their pre-77 large game or African or big game guns, because the 77 has been their standard for a long, long time, and you'll find those guns even in some really unique calibers. They had a custom house that would build certain calibers and certain guns to spec. They'd build what you request. And just like Winchester used to, Winchester lever actions, the reason they're so collectible is because they would build you any kind of Winchester you wanted. All the way down to 17 caliber Winchester, a center fire case, that's the 3030 type case, necked all the way down to 17 caliber. Is there a particular big bore that you were looking at? Thinking about to replace, yeah. Oh, no, I was just curious. I was listening to y'all talk. I just happened to remember that movie Quibly. No, the gun was a real platform. That's the thing. As far as reaching, it's just like any weapon. If you wanted to, and these guys, many of the real shooters that were out there, they had the opportunity, they had the environment, and they perfected those ranges. They did perfect out to a mile range shot. Now, would everybody take that? Hey, a lot of guys, the attitude is if your life is being threatened in a situation, especially battling a superior number of individuals, a lucky shot at a thousand plus yards is kind of nice. Also a little bit demoralizing. That's telling you that you can't hide anywhere within the the distance they were at to where you were. Creeping and peeking will catch you dead. Well this was a movie, there was a western a while back where the guys were on a train track and it was like kind of up charging them. There was only like taking shots at them well well before they ever came in whittling down the numbers even though they were going to get out there. The combination was, well real quick on that note, let's remember that Most everybody that was carrying a long gun during the Indian wars, or again, any of the, shall we say, the Pancho Villa raid type scenarios, By that time, a long range rifle marksmanship has been an American signature to begin with. The other thing about this is, my attitude is I'd put a bullet on him anyway, if he's 1,000 yards out, okay, I hit his horse and his horse goes over. Well, it takes a lot longer for a man on foot to reach cover 1,000 yards if he's still alive than it does for that guy in that horseback charging me. The one thing I want to point out real quick here, I know we're at the top, before the American Civil War, the American Northern War of Aggression there, Indian war situations and even after the Civil War, here's the problem. The cavalry went to carbines and in a number of different carbines nothing was thrown away. The Indians were still using three band rifles, not necessarily muskets. They got a hold of a lot of rifles. And so cavalry units, contrary to what you see in all the Hollywood movies, in many cases were outclassed by the Indians simply because they had superior range and better weapons in hand. Just with muzzle loading Springfield rifles or Enfield rifles. They didn't carry little tiny pop guns or like short guns or whatever all the time and they certainly didn't have lever actions readily available. That was the assault weapon of the day. However, there are many incidents, and this is where you have all these stories about units being wiped out. They were wiped out mostly because of superior firepower and range, because the Indians knew they only had so many rounds, and so there's that focus on target. Several river actions where the cavalry retreated across the river under the logic that they'd be safe, several units were wiped out. There were cavalry scouts or there were cavalry squadrons that were deployed. They had an existing modern carbine, but the Indians they were fighting were using full band conventional Springfield rifles. And they wiped out those units. That's an historical fact repeated many, many, many times. So, guys, you know, again, range. I've always said this, range and accuracy, range and accuracy. And take that shot. The very worst thing that's going to happen is the guy gets clipped in the ear. He's gushing blood. He doesn't like that he got hit, but everybody else has to ask the question, we're 1,200 yards out and he just got shot by something. Maybe we ought to start thinking about taking cover rather than just diddly bopping across this open space. Now that's a good thing because that slowed him down to a crawl as opposed to a fast walk or maybe a trot run. And that means you've got lots more time to take the same kind of bullet and the same kind of shot when you get into your optimal ranges and to start going, yep, I think I can deal with him. Paboom! Psychologically, that kind of attrition really plays on a force. I don't care what they argue because you don't know where the next pickle finger of fate bullet is coming from. If everybody is thinking that way, no matter what weapon you have and you achieve perfection at maximum range, we outclass them across the board. They know it. That's what they're scared of. People will realize that. Why do you think in Hollywood they reinforce this blaze and pray routine with gunfire? Well, most pressure is a little less. We're trying to work it. Thank you, sir. And by the way, we got Craig from Forbidden Knowledge coming up next. Darryl, where are you going to be next? Gun show is coming up, sir. Well, I probably won't be at a gun show until the first one in September there, but don't forget this weekend down in Washington, PA, coming up is 450 table down there at the Washington County Fairgrounds. So that's my itinerary for the time being. I'm still finishing up a lot of summer projects, and I've got them pretty well under control. I got them on the run. Very good. And again guys, for everybody out there, we are working at making the end of the year bill. Go to www.w3spradio.4mg.com. We got, go ahead Ed. We did. Uh, Boof. Craig will not be up live tonight. I'm going to pull something out of the archives and play it in his stead. Okay? Very good. Okay, we are at the top. Yeah, we have been having a problem with Craig's archives, so it probably won't be one of his shows. Sorry to say. Interesting. Okay, very good. and for everybody out there guys take the time go to rap4.com rap4.com go to clearance go to vests $20 a vest for assault vests. Derral take the time check that out today you might want to grab some of those rap4.com www.rap4.com go to clearance then go to vests there's a lot of other stuff there too that's useful but in the clearance section always check clearance sections out guys where the money we save there means we can spend other money in other places god bless the republic Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. We're on the march, both day and night, and don't forget to hug your rifle. Ugh. Well, thank you, sir. And we'll be back, of course, at 8 o'clock, meanwhile. Craig, perhaps, but more live broadcasts. Well, more broadcasting on Liberty Tree Radio. Thank you, Daryl.