June 24, 2014
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1h 1m
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Mark Koernke and Don discussed recent gun rights developments, including Traverse City, Michigan's decision to allow open carry on school grounds and a Florida woman's appeal of a 20-year sentence for firing a warning shot. They covered Michigan's concealed carry review board, black powder firearms as legal alternatives, and various affordable gun options including conversion kits for cap-and-ball revolvers. The show also addressed Detroit's water bill crisis, Chinese economic interests in the city, and federal government overreach including DHS purchasing large quantities of men's underwear for detained immigrants.
- open carry
- traverse city
- michigan
- concealed carry
- school grounds
- second amendment
- black powder
- cap and ball revolver
- detroit water crisis
- immigration
- federal government
- gun rights
- constitutional rights
- preparedness
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Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As Iooke vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled, each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, is to still the land of the free. and home. Well, I'm wondering if we've got Mark. No, Don, we don't. But I saw you were there. That's why I stopped the music. Oh, okay. And that might be him right there. I don't see the phone number up on the call in board. Okay. So... Okay. Not yet, Don, but I'm pretty sure he'll be here soon. Thank you, Eddie. Hey, you guys. You're tuned to Liberty Tree Radio, broadcasting to all points of the compass and to each and every one of our brothers and sisters on and behind the lines in occupied America. You might be listening on again Liberty Tree Radio. You might be listening on how about that Indiana Freedom Talk Radio? It might be pbn.4mg.com. You might be listening on Live 365. You may be tuned into your CB, Channel 29 across Michigan. That needs to spread across the nation, across the way paths of the nation. From truck stop to truck stop and everywhere in between, everybody needs to be listening to the Intelligence Report on their CB. That would be a good idea on this Communications Tuesday. Speaking of Tuesdays, it is the 24th day of June. You're of our Lord 2014. I'm certain. Hey, you're tuned into the Intelligence Report. I'm Don. Mark will be here in a moment if he's not here already. Pause for a fact. Mark will be with us soon. Now something came up right here while I'm sitting waiting while the visitor from the past is running and I've got that Mesmer box going and I'm looking at it and I have the volume turned down and all of a sudden underneath, you know, the news will run like captions. I guess that's for people who can't hear. But they just tell you the subject. I can probably push a button on the television and the words will run across the bottom in Spanish or Chinese, everything but English. You figure out the right button and you can get a, what do they call it, the subtitles there too. A translation into the printed word. The words underneath said, Open Carry. So while visitors from the past was running, I muted the telephone and I turned on the television volume. Well, they're finally addressing this in Michigan on the mainstream media. And you know, a lot of people are pushing for that open carry. We've touched on this over the years. Sometimes we've more than touched on it. We've hit it with a hammer. But a lot of people are pushing this open carry, which I got no problem with that. You know, a number of states have been open carry for years. Arizona has been open carry. Only recently did Arizona go from an open carry to a concealed weapons. Hey, Don? Yes. Yeah, that's something not a lot of people know, but that's something my grandpa reminds everybody when he talks to him up in Michigan. Michigan has been and is an open carry state. You just have to have a three-point carry. The only places where it's really an issue is in Lansing. around Kalamazoo and the Roy. One can well understand why. Yeah, oh, Detroit doesn't want an open carry. They've probably got a city ordinance against it. I wouldn't doubt it. I'd venture to bet my left little toe. I don't have that much need for it, but I'm pretty certain Detroit would have a city ordinance against open carry. Now, Lansing, it's not surprising because, you know, that's where the politicians stay and they don't want guns around there for obvious reasons. Unless it's their own, Don. Unless it's their own. This is true, unless it's their own. But let me run with this because you know what? Again, right there on the television, they're talking about open carry and they were in a school. They were in a school up in Traverse City and you know that Traverse City, I'm not certain if that's Traverse County or if that's a different county, I'd have to get out a map. So don't hold me to that. I'd have to really, literally get out a map to tell you what the name of that county is. It might be Leelanau County. That's the Leelanau Peninsula up there, right there to the left of Traverse City there. You guys, I couldn't believe this. They were talking about open carry. They were talking about people in schools with open carry. And the prosecutor says, well, now this is a word play thing here, because if you understand the meaning of the words, the prosecutor says, someone can wield a gun in a school and we won't ask them to leave. Because prior to this you guys the open carry was pressured in in Traverse City They would first ask you to leave the school grounds and then if you didn't they would call a policeman and he would escort you off the school grounds and you know one can well imagine that anything could escalate from there, but now the prosecutor up there I do I you know don't hold me to this it might be Leelanau County where Traverse City is says that they can wield a gun. Now that's the wrong word he used there and he might have done that on purpose because you know to be welding a gun, wielding a gun is how it was pronounced. You're like brandishing. You're like waving it around the room. You know, you're threatening people with the gun. But the prosecutor, not knowing the finer points of the English language there, said you can wield a gun in Traverse City schools now, open carry, and they won't do anything about it as long as you're a legal person. Now, see the double talk here, as long as you're a legal person and you can wield a gun is how they pronounce it. Weld it, wield it. Basically the definition if you look it up in the dictionary, I do believe that's not just to carry, that's to like flash. He was wielding a gun during the robbery, you know, pointing it around the room. So the prosecutor through his lack of knowledge of the English language. I don't profess to be a master of the English language, don't get me wrong, but I do know a couple of words here and there and the definitions thereof. So the prosecutor says in his own way that it's okay to wave a gun around in Traverse City Schools now, but I'm certain he will, one of his lawyer buddies will correct him and we'll hear different on that. But apparently they're not pressing the open carry issue in the Traverse City Schools. Now one has to understand if I was sitting here doing some paperwork earlier today and the view was on that group of clucking hens and they were talking about guns and this and that for a moment, but why would one need a gun? And we've addressed this before. It didn't come out today, but that one wide lady there, she's as round as she is tall, she carries a gun but she'll sit there and tell you she's anti-gun. During that particular thing there were a couple of movie stars that were guests on the hour. I don't remember their names but they must have been important. They were there. And they have summer homes in Traverse City. See the connection here? But Marcus pointed out a number of times that Traverse City is one of those places, you know, Put almost the tip of your index finger while your palm is pointing down under the tip of your nose and elevate it about 3-quarters to an inch and a half depending on your attitude. You know, Traverse City is like that. So, you know, movie stars own summer homes there. That's the kind of thought line I'm trying to purvey here. But apparently it's okay to exercise your open carry rights on the school grounds of Traverse City schools. So this is a great step forward, ability to quash school shootings, opportunity resistance. I'm not certain if they had that in mind, but that's where Traverse City is going, you guys. You can look on, I think it's 9and10news.com and find that for yourself. Let me confirm that channel. Yes, go to 9and10news.com and the five o'clock, it was the very top of the hour. They reported that. From the television to my ears to lips to your ear, that seems to be the latest in Traverse City as far as gun control, as far as open carry, and how they will address that right of yours to open carry. I thought that was pretty neat. We'll see what comes of that. We have to look at the other side of the coin and you know the other day we brought up that poor unfortunate woman in Florida You know, Florida where they have a and I know it's not a weapons Wednesday you guys But these are what one might call pressing pressing issues. I almost got the second word mixed into the first one. They're pressing pressing issues or unfortunate lady in Florida We touched on this within the last few days maybe the end of last week the beginning of this week Which is only maybe yesterday But this woman in Florida is being beat by her husband kind of regular and she gets a concealed carry and one day I guess the husband's going to express his feelings in a rather physical way with his knuckles and the back of his hand and whatever, maybe a knee, maybe a foot, but she fired a warning shot over his head. Into the air was the recorded public statement and was sentenced to 20 years for that. Now, she's been able to successfully bring that to appeal. She's walking free now under a bond and whatnot, and that will go to an appellate court. But 20 years for firing a warning shot seems to me she'd have got less time just for shooting him dead. So again, you know, there's the old inch to a mile thing there, and I'm not encouraging, you know, wives to buy guns and shoot their husbands dead. Don't get me wrong. But 20 years for a shot, a warning shot over the head or into the air, rather, It seems rather harsh compared to what she might have done with the gun. Because if you are about to beat up your wife and she shoots a gun, that has probably got to make you change your mind. I do not speak from experience in that theater or in that form of action. But it is the great equalizer. How does that go? Sam Colt made all men equal. But we will see what comes of that. We might be needing to pay attention to Florida because you know, Florida was like Michigan. When Michigan brought in the concealed carry, the state of Michigan created a review board. I don't know any of the names of the people on that board. So one might say that, well, it's a clandestine star chamber kind of thing, but this review board was meant and created to review every shooting that was done by a concealed carry holder. If the shooting is found to be justified, well, as we pointed out before, if the shooting is found to be justified, there will be no charges brought against the gun welder, well, depending on how you want to pronounce it. They pronounce it different up in Trevor City, don't you know? But if it's not, then that board would transfer that legal obligation over to the prosecutor's office, you know, the prosecutor's office, and he would have his way with that person who used a gun to defend himself. So again, you know, when we talk about Michigan, and I'm told that Florida was set up the same way, I could be wrong, and sometimes I'll do that. I'll put out the carry-on. If I'm wrong about Florida, was not when Florida created its concealed carry was there not a board of review created at the same time? I do believe there was. Now, one of the things that Michigan did, you guys and while we're on this subject was, and we've touched on this many times, and this is a great thing. Because if you're in Michigan, now there are people who would argue this. I have a half a brother who's a lawyer, and I don't say that real loud. He is of the mind that, well, that concealed carry in that justifiable shoot is only inside your house. Now, I don't know where he got that, and I've never read that in the law. When we can carry that thought line out into, well, it's okay to carry your open carry pistol onto Traverse City school grounds now, one has to think that, well, that would challenge the previous statement about, well, that concealed that justifiable shooting can only happen inside your house. That was the statement I should have brought out the first time. Again, the review board, and more than one person in Michigan, I'm certain by this time has been shot out in the world, you know, not under the gun owner's roof. I'm certain that that went to the review board and was either found as a justifiable shooting. And as I started to point out earlier, you know, if you shoot a cook in Michigan, and the board finds that that is a justifiable shooting that you had every right to use deadly force in that instance. The guy who was shot has no legal recourse against you because he did this in commission of a felony, commission of a crime. So he can't shoot you, rather he cannot sue you for his hospital bills, his ride to the hospital, all the big necks they brought him while he was in the hospital. He can't sue you for anything. Now, worst case even than that, you shoot this crook, this robber, this thief, this whatever, whatever he was, you shoot him dead and the board finds that here in Michigan, the Michigan Board of Review for concealed carry shootings, finds that to be a justifiable shooting. Even his family cannot sue you. Well, somebody's got to pay to put him in the ground. Well, they'll have to pay for it. The Crooks family will have to pay for that themselves. And none of them will be, you know, owning all of your property because you justifiably shot a criminal. Let's see what develops out of the 20-year sentence in Florida and what comes of the open carry up in Traverse City. That would be something to keep an eye on. Just bringing this to your attention. Again, you might hear more about or you might find out more about that, the Traverse City Open Carry thing by going to 9and10news.com. Again, 9 and 10, the number is 9 and I do believe it's spelled out and, A-N-D, the number 10, news and you should probably be able to review that report that's about the beginning of this hour. Again, I know it's not a Weapons Wednesday, it is a Communications Tuesday, but these are things that we need to, everybody needs to be talking about. I just thought I'd point that out. I'll reach out onto the limb here a little bit. Do we have Mark with us? I am here. Go right ahead Jim. Go ahead Don. I've been talking to Jim here. We've had a whole bunch of people stopping by. Forgive me, I've been running a little late. I'm going to have to do more and more. kind of like made the order for the Michigan Navy Beans today so everybody's going to pile up Michigan Navy Beans. I hope they're excited about the menu when it gets out there to Nevada to bunker me off so that should be pretty good. Anyway, again thank you to all of our friends and also for the support for the network guys we appreciate that we do have the end of the year bill that's in motion anybody you can donate we appreciate that and again keep doing what you're doing we want to say thank you and of course we have gotten the donations in the mail too so a heads up on that. We also have a couple of packages outbound. I still have copies. We have a, the Green Horse is now going to be in light production again on larger scale. So we're going to be mentioning that. I'm just going to be a heads up. We'll give them more particulars on that on the air here shortly. So, and for our friends that helped out with that, although we had the technology, some of it on the shelf, we're going to build this up so we can do more than the Green Horse. We actually have a couple of other books. that can be done that we haven't done for a while that were done for the NBF War College. So we're going to put out a listing. It's something we've had to do. We're going to commit a little bit of space to do nothing but books. And the only way we, in the past we actually had a collating machine that could do the work. But we can still for the time being use an outsource for the printing and then assemble everything here, you know, sort and assemble. Subsections are going to be put together and then final compilation of the book and then re-obind it and we're done. So that is in motion. 50 million things to do and it's raining outside. We still got a lot of things to do outside and it's raining outside. It's really of course is edgy-ting but it's raining in its Michigan and that's really how it should be because this is the land of the mosquito. As everybody is now finding out, now the mosquitoes are out in the forest. So you can tell when the mosquito season is in because you can hear everybody's talking and they're outside and then you hear a and then you hear a and then you hear another and then you hear a and but everybody's so used to what it's like it doesn't even interrupt the conversation. That's kind of cute even for the speaker while he's killing the mosquitoes because We live here and we're used to it. We still like to avoid them though. Anyway, a couple of things here. We're almost to the bottom of the hour down. I don't know if you've done this yet. Guys, night vision technology. Do we know what the count is on that first-gen unit at all or we're pretty well running down to the mark I think pretty soon here. I may have taken over for Don, or Don may be gone. I'm sorry, Mark, I had the... I pushed the... The Mu'ay button on! Mu'ay! It's fine to... I tried to have that number by this time. I should have it, I left a message with my guy, but I should have that by tonight. So we'll have... but we still have the 4-power available. That's another, you know, avenue to run in the first generation gun sights, you guys. I would say, Mark, I... I could have saved this for tomorrow but I bought the new shotgun news today. And in there, you know how big the shotgun news is you guys? It's kind of like National Inquirer or something, only slightly bigger. But I look at one, two columns at least, oh and a half column. Two and a half, what would amount to one and a quarter pages, all told, print on the Bundy Ranch. right here and the title is pushing the ranchers off the land. Now it's Communications Tuesday and we're not going to talk about guns a whole lot in this because we'll save that for tomorrow. But you know what? It is a Communications Tuesday and I'm happy to see the shotgun news bringing this information to other gun owners. Because you know what? Contrary to popular belief, not every gun owner on the continent listens to the intelligence report. And not everyone on the planet is playing more out there. I say there's plenty more out there. Yeah, we need to make them aware also and the shotgun news is doing its part. Now, you know, they used to run the Knox Report and now they run the, oh, I don't know exactly what it's titled, but it has Knox in it. That one is a kind of market runs very much like you have the Knox update from the firearms coalition this time It's by Jeff Knox. I don't know if it's by Jeff Knox all the time But I have to tell you that you know the premise of that is We told you to buy those SKS is when they were $62 and then we told you to buy them when they were $69 and do you remember that and how much is an SKS now and He takes a half of a page to do that. So Again, it's good that people are recognizing these problems and bringing them to everyone else's attention. My co-host there has been telling me to buy boxes of 22 for years, hasn't he? Didn't he tell you to buy those SKS's when they were 69 and 79 and then $109. If you can find an SKS for $109 now and there's 10 of them there, you better buy them all. Gee, that would be $1,090 for 10 SKS's and you know you could outfit a couple of buddies and you could sell a few of the others and make most of your money back. If you sold half the others you could outfit your other buddies, buy a couple of cases of ammunition and be on Happy Gun Ownersville. Now, again, you guys, we'll bring you more from the Shotgun News tomorrow. I would say that It is loaded with ads for people who want to buy machine guns, paying top dollar for legal machine guns and they'll give you a free appraisal and they'll pay the taxes on your transfer and they will pay the transportation and they want you to call them right now. Now I'm only doing this because again, this is Communications Tuesday and our government tried to communicate to us a thought line a while back that everybody that owns a machine gun in America is selling it to the Mexicans. Remember that? Now they didn't tell it to you exactly like that, but they told you that all of those automatic weapons are coming from America. And we've got to stop firearm sales in America. But you know what, if you look at these ads, and we've done this before, I know it's not a weapons Wednesday, but this is a communications thing. This is something that needs to be pointed out. Because you know there seems to be a shortage of machine guns in America now mark because well paying top There's a guy in here who will advertise for you'll advertise He'll pay 90% of the estimated value of your gun, but he's only looking at buying it and making 10% I would say that you know don't look now, but there's a machine gun shortage in America At least most of the triple-a You know dealers are looking at it or presenting it like that because they'll pay you top dollar and they'll pay for the transfer even, Mark, the $200 tax and they'll pay shipping too. Wow. So that only reinforces, and I know it's a communications Tuesday, but that only reinforces the not every gun is a machine gun thought line. Like most of Americans, they see that AR-15, that M16 type pattern gun. They look at it and the little shiver runs down their back and right in the middle of their mind great big words like on the drive-in theater say machine gun. That's what it appears like. It looks like a gun that I saw in a military movie once or I saw on television when I was watching Our Boys in Malabar or Our Boys in Iraq or Our Boys in Afghanistan or Our Boys soon to come in a new nation near you. But again, that's another fallacy, isn't it? And again, I know it's a weapons Wednesday. But you know what? For the guy sitting at the table that thinks that every M16 type pattern gun, also known as an AR-15 or under different nomenclature, is a machine gun, needs to be set right. And that's a communication thing, isn't it? So, you know, Mark, at the top of the hour, I brought up the subject. I was sitting here while a visitor from the past was running. They were talking about Traverse City. I'll reiterate on this because you didn't hear this. I want your commentary on this too. I'm certain a number of people do. But Traverse City has just surrendered. If you had a concealed carry and you walked onto a school grounds, they would ask you to leave. And if you didn't leave, no matter if you were waiting for your son, your daughter, your spouse, the teacher, if you did not leave, they would call the police on you. Apparently, certain people, you know, we've been pressing the open carry around the country. and around Michigan, but certain people have pressed that in Traverse City to where Traverse City has thrown their hands up in the air and the prosecutor says, and this is funny, I pointed this out, you can wield a gun on Traverse City school grounds now. I'm certain what he was trying to say is you can have an open carry, you know, wielding a gun is just waving around like brandishing a gun. But I'm certain that he says, we're not going to call the police out because someone has an open carry right on the school grounds now because it's just tying up too many police and too many people are panicking seeing a gun on school grounds. But there's a giant stride forward. You don't even have to say, Mother May I anymore. Or Simon says, you can carry your pistol open carry on the school grounds in Traverse City now and they won't call the police. And they won't ask you to leave. So that's a stride forward. That's a great step forward for gun rights in America. We need this to happen across the country and we will see the school shootings reduced. What do you think of that, Mark? Well, it sounds like some people with some money up there, you know, people with some money up there did some polling and also probably some boots on the back of some, you know, so we say Soviet necks. and they grudgingly had to acknowledge, listen this is how it works, I'm telling you. Now what do you do? Well, we don't argue with these guys. They've got guns. Yeah, they've got guns. If gunners were as bad as the hyper-liberal anti-gunner said, the hyper-anti-gunner liberals would be dead. Oops. Yeah. And remember, if anything kicks off, we all know who to blame, and we will. Anyway, well again that just kind of helps to create the demarcation lines on the battlefield as far as knowing who's who in the zoo and where they are. So that's interesting in and of itself. Of course Michigan in general As we know, we've argued for years and it's finally come forward and all these people have re-embraced Open Carry that pretty much across the board, Open Carry is legitimate and there's nothing they can do about it. Well, now they're having to face off in other states, like the Dingleberries that were making comments here about those guys carrying rifles in Texas. Well, why are they carrying rifles in Texas? because they can't carry a handgun in the open but they can carry a rifle anywhere. Go figure. Duh! You see how stupid that is? But that's again, when they passed all the garbage in Texas, remember the name of the company that was pushing that garbage with all the filthy liberals that have moved into Texas was called Handgun Control Incorporated, remember? Oh, that's right, before they changed that name because they're going after everything like we told you they would. And so that's why the gun thing changed there, which is really kind of stupid to say the least. But that's why they're all carrying rifles and why they should. Guess I can't carry the handgun. I just will carry this. Isn't that kind of big? Well, I'd like to carry smaller, but we just can't do that. So it's OK. We'll just deal with it this way. Now the other cool thing is, again, that offers even more, shall we say, responsible firepower when the time comes. and I think there's more to deter other creatures who might think they want to try and stir the pot too because well you might have thought you're going to deal with a guy with a handgun now you got a whole bunch of people with rifles hanging around and they're in all directions if you thought the handgun was bad well it's going to get worse for you real quick So, something to think about there too. Which is why, when you hear the snobs yapping from outside of Texas, ooh, guys, you're stupid because you're carrying your rifles, you need to be more cooth. Well, we would be if we could be. Oh, like, let's offer a definition of cooth here. He's running away. Where is he? He's way over there. I'll get him. Exactly. I don't think he's getting any farther sir. There's nothing uncouth about that. Yeah, yeah, I would have shot him with a pistol probably would have been quite as bad though I don't think you want to get shot by anybody anytime but yeah, you could use the lighter caliber if I'd been allowed to. Now the other thing real quick on that note and we have talked about this for a long time before it really has become vogue to talk about the open carry is on top of everything else there are different tiers of you know ideas and Guys, black powder open carry has been, you know, sacrosanct, that's been a given. Everybody knows that even the cop shops know it. And there's nothing undeadly about that. Remington 44 cap and ball cross strap revolver, guys. In fact, you can load her up just about to where a .357 Magnum is if that seems to be part of your earthly delight. Personally, I would just stick with the medium load because it's more important to hit them than worrying about whether or not you had too much powder off the end of the muzzle and the flame was enough to kill them by itself. Yeah, I was just going to say it's better to shoot them in a sense rather than try to burn them. Yeah. He's still burning. Yeah, I know. It just couldn't help it. I just had to go with that hotter charge. Well, for that reason, again, black powder pistol is a consideration most everybody should be thinking about. and you need to make a point of doing a little research in that there are several well there's more than several there are many options course i don't know about the emf producing uh... the you know reasonably priced guns uh... back in the you know like the Civil War you know 100th year anniversary, EMF really started bringing stuff in. The Italians in several and Spanish in several different companies brought in a number of really nice look-alikes and they also made them in a combination of brass, or steel and of course you can get the, and of course the argument was the brass ones are the confederate version which is true. The South made a lot of brass copies of pretty much everything because the brass was quicker and easier to work and amazingly enough if you keep a medium charge and don't go crazy it'll still kill you dead dead dead and serve you for a long time which is why they did what they did there with the brass. So again you might want to take a look at some of the stainless steel Black powder guns that are out there obviously standard steel carbon steel and Nickel they're actually offering nickel guns again to a degree to again try to reduce well in most of the for the cowboy gun category I don't know that nickel is most popular with everybody but stainless is a little shiny to or looks a little white in the twilight but in a future situation painting over the thing with little green paint It alleviates all that stainless steel issue where, you know, again, it's going to be a reflection problem or an attention grabber. Otherwise, black powder works just fine, not only for short weapon, but for many of the long gun variants. One of the things I did notice down and I kicked myself in the rumpus, we had a gentleman here, I was pricing the black powder handguns because I was going to bring them up here this week. Guys, we used to get a double barrel side by side, 44, cap and ball pistol. Basically what they did is they had these 410-44 caliber double rifles that were about a 24 inch barrel. They were available. They were made by a gentleman right here in Michigan. What I really should have bought and I always regret he made double Footlock and he then made the same model in double cap and ball Wow, and then he came out with something that became real popular of course it was a handgun But it's basically 44 caliber and it was a double barrel side-by-side six inch barrel pistol Well, it also kind of works like a little 410 shotgun if you know my meal and I mean Loading that with BB and or with number four buck makes for an impressive pattern at close range And the neat thing is it was fairly come comfortable and you know again reasonable to carry wasn't a burden I had a bunch of those and I had actually several that I bought over a period of time And what was really interesting and back in the day guys there was little as $26 apiece To say to today, right now, the exact same gun made by Berturlli or whoever it is overseas, it's just the same basic weapon being produced now and imported. You're looking at close to $400 a unit. Yikes. Now, I'm hoping to find somebody who's still making the poor man's version, as in reasonably priced, but so far I haven't found anything. And in fact, there used to be still some of the cult model 1836, sheriff's models or the Navy models for under $100 which would still be reasonable. The other thing to remember with the 36 caliber is there are long before all the cowboy guns and the conversions became popular for about $32 there is a conversion kit that allows you to switch over that cap and ball revolver that doesn't have any papers to 38 Smith and Wesson. and it'll run cartridges all day. Basically what the gentleman did is he has built the copy of the army and navy conversions of the same gun post Civil War. It was a way to breathe more life into weapons that were already paid for guys and it was an economical solution. With modern hand tools you can switch out the revolver in a couple of hours. As if you don't take your time, check your accuracy. But the kit itself comes with all the components, even the drills and the taps necessary to get the job done. You might still find this posted in the shotgun news and since you've got a new one Don while you're perusing kind of keep an eyeball out in the classifieds and in the edge You might still run into it there in the shotgun news. I haven't looked recently, but it has been available So I will look yeah, just something to think about there guys. It's a simple cartridge conversion now immediately someone's gonna say mark 38 Smith and wasn't that's hard to find well, no, not really right now because pretty deep up to the That's right, preview partisan, you know, the Serbs are actually bringing in 38 Smith & Wesson, brand new factory ammo, lead bullet, 158 grain, round nose. However, if you're really in a pinch, let me give you a little hint. 38 Smith & Wesson cases cut down to the length of the 38, or forgive me, 38 Smith & Wesson special, cut down to the length of 38. use a standard 38 Smith and Wesson die, open up the brass to spec a little bit. You're going to stretch her a little bit. Use some thermal lube on that. And then you can use the proper diameter bullet and if you want to load up something with a cart mouth or with a wad cutter or whatever, you can do it. So congratulations, you can always cut down. Now gluing brass back onto stuff, that's a different story. But a lot of cases out there that can be adapted to other missions. especially if you may have a pile of these guns. A lot of 38 Smith and Wesson five screw victory models are showing up out there again. People bought them years ago and now somebody's inheriting them or somebody's selling them. There are a whole bunch of Enfield top break revolvers. Back around the early 90s, a bunch of these things came in and they were in the shotgun news for $45 to $65 a piece. Now, they're World War II production, they're double action only, they're in 38 Smith and Wesson, they are a top break, but they are a very serviceable gun. And usually they're going for more now. Oh, by the way, did I also mention in classic British form, they're typically a painted finish. Yeah, okay, so we're talking as cheap as possible to make the things but they are out there and they are showing up again I've noticed this in different spheres. I don't think we're gonna see any more imported It's been a while since we've seen a batch of those but they're out there floating around So that's another gun that will take the 38 Smith & Wesson cartridge where you may need to build cartridges for your gun Don't be surprised if you have to do that. Don't be panicked. Just, you know, again think through the process. Take a look at what you have available and decide how you want to do it. There is 38 Smith and Wesson brass out there also. Anyway, Don, anything else you wanted to cover before we get to the top here? We're heading that way. Well, again, you guys, it is a communications Tuesday and I know we talked a lot about guns, but these are rather recent developments. and they need to be brought to everybody's attention. It's like, kind of like, how would that go in a reporter's room? Oh yeah, this just in started the hour talking about guns and I know it's a Communications Tuesday and you heard that at that time. But I don't do that to apologize. We'll talk about guns on Monday, won't we Mark? We'll talk about guns on Friday or Thursday. Not to mention Weapons Wednesday. You know, we're talking about communication. I've looked on the TV late last night and I've seen it. I was watching an old black and white film. And you know what it showed? It showed two children on horseback, with rifles and shotguns, riding to school. Rifles went into a rack. This is the kind of stuff you don't see on film today. Right. Although he is retired from the 50 caliber shooters association already, John Robertson was the secretary and he was the major phone answerer. When he would come up on the air he would say the same thing. He would take a .22 and lean it into the corner under his coat rack right in the classroom. We have addressed that before. We have talked about churches that used to have rifle racks in them. And some of those churches still exist, but they've taken the rifle racks out. It's not politically correct. So yeah, you're right, George. They edit these out of the old black and white films. Yeah. And the reason why the kids bought the guns to school is not only for protection, but they worked, they lived on the way home to school, they had to go kill the Barmans out in the field that were eating their crops. Or generally bring home dinner. Yeah. Yeah. That was the mission for John Robertson. pick up that rabbit you just shot bring it home. Well that bird on the ground you don't generally shoot a bird in the air with a .22 but if you can shoot that bird on the ground in the head before it runs away, yay, that's a profitable venture too because we will have pheasant tonight. or squab. Yeah, or squab. What's that? Pigeon. No, it's squab. It's not pigeon. But it looks like a pigeon. It's a very small pheasant. It's a very small, yes, it is a gimhera, because it's squab. And if you believe that, I have some very small lobsters for you too. Yeah, by the way, on that note, there's another category. When you see the term squod, notice how that cropped up about, what, 10, 15 years ago? You know notice, you know squab and squab squab Do you know scrot is like an anything category? It's a it's a breed of fish. Yeah about a hundred of them So if you ever see scrot on a package in the like in the frozen food section for you know fish Understand that that really should say anything fish Because that's what it is. So scrot squab isn't amazing those words seen almost be related It's salmon, it's octopus, it's rainbow fish and dog fish all meshed together. We didn't know what the hell to do with that for a while. It's just called that bad part. It makes it bigger for a while, but it's not great in the long run. The other thing here again, too, reminded everybody with regard to what we've seen, it was much more dangerous. Remember, the largest school killing in the United States was not done by a student and was not done with a gun, it was done by a superintendent slash a deranged individual who decided he was going to get even with everybody and blow up the school right here in Michigan. And he did! Then he blowed himself up too. So for those who don't remember that story, you might want to run it through the system and ask me, remember this? Don't say bad things to the school superintendent. You never know. Remember, he has keys to everything and he did. What's the deal with her in Detroit that a bunch of the residents can't afford to pay their water bill? They're poor! There's two things that are happening. Remember, and you know, Don, we talked about this before. Guys, I just had this conversation on the driveway. Okay, let's figure this one out. Let's see. First of all, no industry in Detroit. Half the people are on welfare. The other half are getting some kind of subsistence. A small percentage are working at the jobs that take the money of the people around subsistence and welfare. Okay. And we're providing services for all of the above. Now, There's two houses. Well, well, Don, the neighborhood that you were in when you originally lived in Detroit, how many houses were there per block? Well, it was filled with, you know, just like any town, but the last time we were there, we could stand where the old house was and look around and maybe see 12 houses. Yeah. I mean across blocks and blocks. So the problem you got is, well, you see you got all these pipes running out to that one house. and what they're trying to do because of government graft and corruption is they're still trying to charge as if there were 52 or 60 or 70 houses on the city block. The problem is that those two houses they're trying to build. Yep, that's the problem and they're still acting like somehow there's gonna be I mean they've been doing this for years Yeah as the place was falling down somehow there was gonna be this manna from heaven or this miracle change that was gonna happen all by itself while everybody is getting the hell out of Dodge during you know in between the firefights and Any minute now it's gonna change. We'll just hang on. The Chinese are gonna be here soon Which is in reality one of the reasons that they're jacking the rates also is they want to try and drive the property owners out and Then they will get the whole block. Yep, and that is part of the other half of the agenda Remember it's like the run like being the last rancher where you have the fake tortoise You know issue that they created out in Nevada and they were dumping the tortoises on everybody's property And then they got everybody's property with mr. Bundy's Well, the same is true of what they did in Detroit. They caused a problem in Detroit. They, of course, undermined the environmental and the economic system. And while it's like, well, what happened? and progressively step by step by step, you know, all the people who just didn't want to play victim, you need to be a good victim. You have to be understanding these poor people are like, no, no, we don't need to be under, well, we are understanding, but we just don't need to be a victim of, well, what they're doing. So how about if we leave? You can do that. Watch me, as Don would say. Yep. Off to the Winnebago. And by the way, the Coachman Camp will be right behind me. See how that works. Just a reminder for a minute. What's that motor sound I hear? Yeah, it's us leaving town. Goodbye. And that's what they weren't counting on. I think they thought everybody was going to keep beating their head against the wall until they all were either suicided by the city or, again, died of old age, flopped over, and then they get all the money on them and get the place for free, which is really what we're looking at right now, I'm sure, the way they're looking at the population that's left. So it's just a matter of time. I really don't know because there's no American industry. If you're not producing something, you're not going to build something back up. What's really fascinating is, you know, there's even the math formula they're using right now is that some of the Chinese are going to occupy. I think the Chinese have an attitude now and they don't even want to worry about it. They don't have to. If they wait long enough, hell, the city will be gutted out the rest of the way and there won't be anybody to negotiate with and they can pretty well walk in and take it for free. Yeah, don't get it off. Yeah, and the regime will have no problem handing it over because they've betrayed the whole country to begin with. all those jobs that went to Mexico that should have kept all those places running like, you know, Inkster and, well, let's see, Pontiac and, oh, well, how about Wayne and, you know, Warren, the tank plant, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, going right down and, you know, like the Rouge. Yeah. Well, see, those are all places that if you're old industry, you know what they are. But remember, that's the old industry that doesn't exist anymore. And so that's what's happened to Detois. Mark, I even heard like in the DHS purchase order, at least it's better than buying bullets. Now they gotta buy briefs for those illegal... Did you hear about that? They gotta buy a whole bunch of new underwear. Oh, oh, oh, they're really doing it? Alright! This is Jimmy Carter all over again. Remember what I told everybody? Yeah. Remember, Don, you know the story. Guys, after the Mario boat lift, I guarantee you what's going to happen is the same thing because we've got the same pieces of trash, leftist queers in there that we had with the Carter administration. The queers of course dominated his group too. They weren't as in your face out where everybody could see them like they are now. What's fascinating is they dropped them off on all these bases. Well, they needed clothes, so they said, okay, we'll go over to Navy Supply because they've got dungarees slash blue jeans and they're cheap. I mean literally the more you buy the cheaper they get and it's government cost. We call it government clothing sales, not PX and not commissary guys. There used to be government clothing sales. You go over to the actual Quartermaster warehouse and you can buy anything that the government issues for the actual cost the government pays. And so the blue jeans, they got a brand new blue jeans, they brought brand new blue jeans for everybody. And they got them deck shoes, you know, the nice military deck shoes, and all in the proper sizes. And they got them shirts, but they were utility shirts. Well, all of a sudden, no, no, no, Adidas, we need Adidas, we need Adidas. So all of the counselors, they were being psychologically oppressed because they didn't have Adidas tennis shoes instead of those deck shoes that our Navy servicemen wear. And then, we need to have Jordash, we need to have Levi, we need to have name brand for the blue jeans. So they bought them all brand new name brand blue jeans. Now you know what, here's the kicker on that. They already paid for the other ones. You couldn't take stuff back to clothing sales. So once you bought it, the taxpayer paid for it, you were screwed. And that's what those idiots did then and I can see the writings on the wall. Same pack of imbeciles. It's just they waited another what, 30 years and they could do it again. So Mark they're going to make sure they want, they're going to have old navy clothes, Tommy Hilfiger, Gee, Nike-er, Jordan. Oh hell yes! This is the same scam by the same garbage different year and it's the same fools all over again. It's the Demikins. But in reality, the PsychoBabble crew is the one that's pushing it. Go ahead, Don. I'm sorry. I got a topic for your next hour. You know the federal government is suing the state of Arizona. Action against its action to support its own border. Right. Yeah, exactly. We might have brought this up before, but this is coming to the courthouses now. You know what I mean? Yeah. So let's see what comes of this. You've been hearing a lot of that lately from us. Let's see what happens here. and it sounds kind of like a sit on your hands thing but let's again let's see how they progress let's see what kind of goofiness they want to work on this and we will have to uh you know the phrase almost came out take it and stride but that's not the way Americans do things is it we might pick something up in stride and not miss a beat but when it comes to take things in stride as far as put up with things we really don't that's not our way is it Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay, now I'm reading the article before you go to CBS Houston. Now, this is kind of scary only because I thought these were those poor little banditos, these poor little children. Oh, the little girls and the little boys. Let's see, El Paso, Texas, Department of Homeland Security is looking to fulfill an order for thousands of pairs of men's underwear with hundreds of requested men's briefs. in size 5x and 6x large. That's a big illegal person. They do not come over to defense. They won't throw to defense. I'm sorry, but you know, actually I buy 5x and 6x for guys that I know because, well, they're almost seven feet tall guys. Seriously, I've got guys that are, I mean, they are monstrummen. And they're not overweight, they're just big proportionally. They're properly scaled. They're just big. A solicitation posted early this month by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office seeks thousands of white, 100% cotton men brief ranging from mediums to hundreds of 6x large pairs of the underwear up to 6x. Now, I guess they have to have some on hand. I don't know how he got over the fence and I'd like somebody to explain that to me. And how he got past the border guards. Yeah, I was wondering if like houses, like safe houses, they'd put three or four people in that pair of them. That would be a great way to deceive us all, C.R. I'm just wondering, are they going with Kevin Kline under where? Oh, I think by the time they're done, what they'll do is get them a no-name brand project going here and they'll be overridden by the social workers. Because that's what happened back in the 70s and the early 80s. We are the top. We are the top. Doctor number for night vision please. That number is 2317968458. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. And we've got the big meetup coming up. Radio, signal communications, a ham vent coming up here in northern Ann Arbor. That'll be this weekend, all Saturday to the Sunday, guys. Thank you, Don. Your number for night vision closes. Thank you, Mark. 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