government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be bullied. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As Iowoc, he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the sweet and a good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is the First hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Hurnkey. And I'm Don Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines occupied territories west, central, southeast and east. Ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com, IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com. We are on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, alternate hallmark and golden spike technologies. both east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. Don, what's the date today, sir? Mark, we are experiencing this very day, the 23rd day of June, year of our Lord, 2014. And ain't it good to be doing that instead of pushing up daisies. Beautiful day here, intermittent rain, clouds, kind of muggy cold, you know, for this time of year, you know, it gets just moisture in the air and even on a warm day, you still have to cover up. But again, the 23rd day of... June 2014. Now I would ask... Go ahead, jump right in there please. Well, I want to... there's something I want to do for about 40 minutes or so. So, you know, do we have any callers? Let's do that. Because again, there's something I want to do for about 40 minutes or so. Do we have any callers? Okay, now we've cleared that deck, right? Great. I wanted to do this this morning, but I won't. run in that direction right now. I wanted to talk about fire. I mentioned that at the top of the hour, 10 o'clock. You know, fire, that which, what was it? Washington said was a useful servant and a fearful master. Now, you think that, well, I know all about fire. But, you know, fire is something you guys anywhere, anytime. This is something we address things. You know, being a survivor Being a prepper, being a militia man will address a lot of things through this hour. But fire can be, again, a useful servant and a fearful master. You know, you need that air and the fuel and the heat thing, you know? Air is everywhere, ain't it? You know, and we could, you know, if you got a whole bunch of oxygen, you can make, you can seem to make things burn like you can, like, burn through steel. If you got a whole bunch of oxygen, you can just crisp right up like the Apollo crew. You know, now I don't remember what was that Apollo 9 or 10 or something? All that took was a spark. That's the other portion, you know, air and fuel and heat, a spark. You guys, we got all kinds, you know, air's everywhere. Now we've talked about voiding areas, displacing the air in an area so that it would become fireproof. More on that later. But that to a great extent can be successful. But more on that later, because we'll talk about fuel here for a little while. You know, you can carry fuel in all kinds of things, gasoline. You can store fire in the form of a candle. More on that in a little while. But when you think about fuel, you know, you can even think about your clothes being on fire, or, you know, some people seem to live their life with their hair on fire. You know, but again, your clothes on fire, your hair on fire, you know, you think of running, but your clothes on fire, you want to stop, drop and roll. You were told this since you were a little kid, right? You run, you fan the flames. Now, we've addressed these things over the years, and you know, other than petroleum products and the clothes and wood and gas, a whole bunch of things will burn. You'd be surprised how fast they go up in the flames or how fast they disappear in a flame, like some plastics, you know, in a flame, plastics on you. Like, remember when, oh, what was it? Polyester was really popular, and people who had polyester on would have patterns burned into their skin, and actually sometimes the individual buttons melted right into their skin. But, again, that goes over to fuel and what you're burning and whatnot. Then you need the heat, that spark. Now, that could be a muzzle flash. That could be a backfire, that could be smoking, it could be a spark from something else. Like a, you know, a muffler from a motorcycle. In Michigan we've got laws that say if you ride your motorcycle into the woods you have to have a spark suppressor on the bike. Otherwise that dang near Russian guy might even want to take your bike away with him because you're threatening the woods from a single spark from your muffler. Now, a little sidebar on that. I was standing at a gas station once. I got out of the car. and here's somebody pumping gas into a car and here's somebody sitting in the gas seat smoking in the driver's seat smoking a cigarette. Now I had to elaborate on what I thought of that for a little while and this person didn't stop what they were doing so I escalated my opinion and eventually I accused him of being a solid waste portal. You know that were the doo-doo leaves and this person just continued smoking looked at me he was a big fellow but he was rather stupid. Now continuing that I I told him, you got no right to take my life in your hands. That was one of the first things I said to him. You're smoking at a gas pump and isn't that illegal? He looked at me and continued to smoke. And it went, it escalated. I really wanted that guy to put out a cigarette and get out of the car so I could, you know, spy opinion in different ways. But he didn't. I came across him later in a grocery store and he was with his wife then. And I looked up and I recognized him. And he mumbled something about being a tough guy. And I looked right at him. When I looked at his wife and I stood there for a minute, he didn't say anything else, and I walked away. But you know, I didn't have a thing to say to him because I already knew that he was not a threat to me if he wasn't sitting at a gas station pump with a cigarette in his hand. I'd already chased him beyond what most mortal men would put up with, and he sat there. So him standing there telling me what a tough guy he is in front of his wife, well, I looked right at him. I saw no threat there. Literally, I saw no threat there. But again, You guys fire can come up from anywhere. From anywhere, you know. We'll address a couple of different things on this. You know, you get in that flash fire, a lot of times the fire is boom and it's done. You know, when you're dealing with like a cloud of gas, be it propane, natural gas, now the bigger the boom, the more that's going to be damaged, you know. But I was watching someone fill a, believe it or not, this is a true story, Mark. This is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my whole well. in my whole life to that point I was 19 years old watching someone fill a refillable lighter above the gas stove. He had turned the lighter upside down and put it on the gas stove and was filling from this butane canister until he had leaked enough around him and he created a fireball on top of the stove about two and a half maybe almost three feet in diameter and it was there and gone. So was all of his Peter Frampton type of locks all around. He was probably the creator of the mullet. So was his mustache and his eyebrows. An instant fire like that come and gone. Sometimes that's good. But instant fires like that tend to set other things around them on fire, like the drapes or the doilies in the kitchen or whatnot. Now, sometimes a fire stays and you can't put it out immediately. Now you guys... In a flash like that, that attracts your attention immediately. It's motion, it's sound, and it's a flash. We've talked about what attracts your attention just visibly, and now there's that sound report also. Now, a fire in the house, let's not go any farther than to say that a fire can get out of hand much faster than one would believe. A fire in your house, a fire in your barn, your car, your outbuildings, If you can bring a fire extinguisher to bear on it while you are calling for help, if it's help immediate or if it's 911, make other people aware of this immediately. We have done this in so many different ways and forms in so many different venues. When you need help, when something appears as a threat like that, do not hesitate to ask. Do not hesitate to yell, fire. That runs chills down some people's backs. But then again, it brings a lot of people to action. Do not hesitate. Do not try. I'm telling you, you know, if you can bring a fire extinguisher to bear on the fire while you are calling for help or while you are dialing 911, that's something to do. But to try to fight a fire by yourself without making anyone aware, anyone else aware that there is a fire or calling for external help, i.e. the fire department, is a fool's task. Now many times there were people out there who were saying right now, yeah, but Donna had this fire in the shop and I hit it with the fire extinguisher and moments later it was out. This is true. But you know, if that's true, moments later before the firemen slid down the pole, you can call and cancel that. Or before they've started up the truck. It's not something to play with. That's the point here. Again, I refer back to that fearful master because when it is beyond your control it becomes your master, doesn't it? Now, I can elaborate a little bit here on... You guys, cold has a real thing about certain types of fire things. There are certain chemical reactions you can get and it doesn't matter how cold. That thing's going to burn and it's going to burn fiercely no matter if you put it in water or what. We've addressed these. Most of those are weaponized. We've addressed these problems over the years. We'll get to more of that in a little while. I was underneath the hood of a car one day in the middle of the winter trying to help someone stop a flooding, a holly carburetor. And I asked him to crank it to check the crossover tubes, the O-ring. It cranked for a moment and it was cold and the carburetor was dry and we were filling up the carburetor But he'd worked on a carburetor for a good long time and I noticed here comes that motion thing again this it was about 18 degrees outside you guys and I looked as a flame front came up from the starter up across the bell housing up across the manifold and one of the valve covers and Surrounded the carburetor Now if it was hot outside, that would have been gasoline fumes and that would have been a kaboom. But this emphasizes ambient temperature. You know at 40 below gasoline, you can stand there and throw matches in a bucket of gasoline at 40 below. You could stand there, light another match and throw it in a bucket. Light another match and throw it in a bucket. literally until the bucket is soaking with nothing but matches because it's not vaporizing away. It doesn't give it that initial burst. The thinness, the fumes that are allowed to catch that initial make the gas that makes the liquid burn. Now you've got different classes of fires. We've addressed that a little bit there with burning gasoline and burning clothes and burning oxygen. But you know what? There's the fire in this has been... Fighting fires has been developed to a science to a great extent. This is a science that every problem has a different solution to a certain extent. Be it every fireman knows that when he goes into a fire he cannot expect it to be what the last one was or nor can the next one be. You understand that? It's much like a fire fight. Hardly ever does the same thing happen twice. But now again, the fire make people aware contact an outside help if you can if you can immediately make someone aware and then address the fire if it's a dinky little fire on the bench and you can put it out with your fire extinguisher right there hooray now we'll address fire extinguishers for a little while okay because there are different kinds of fires and you know let's talk about some sources here like well the kitchen You know, a lot of times in the kitchen the wife might set the fried chicken pan on fire, that oil, you get it hot enough and then you introduce a flame to the surface of the oil and it's burning. One of the quickest ways to do that is put a lid on the pot and you suffocate the fire. Now... A person that would not know what to do. This is a really bad example you guys hear right now and I bring this to the hour because it needs to be done. A person who would not know what to do might sink fire and start throwing water at it. We're in the kitchen now aren't we? There's a sink over there with running water and sometimes they might even have one of those Dishmaster things. Boy that's about 100 years old. And they start throwing water at the pot fire, the grease fire. Guess what? That grease floats on the water. Now you're spreading that fire aren't you? Now the water carries the fire over there onto the kitchen counter and down onto the floor and back behind the stove before you know it. So again, don't use water. You need to empathize this to the wife. Because this is kitchen safety. You know, kitchens used to be built separate from houses for this very reason. Because if we burned down the kitchen, we still got a roof over our head. Literally. But now. You might find an electrical fire in a kitchen too. And you might find a fire in a kitchen. And I do this to be household based, just to use it as an example. We could talk about mud huts. We've got more here on the page about mud huts. But the general overview, you've got, like there's three different classes of fire extinguishers you guys, A, B, and C class. Now A is good for like solids like wood fuel. Your clothes are on fire. The bench. the little tool bench, something caught on fire in the tool bench, your remote control airplane, all kinds of things. Your Holley carburetor under the hood. That Class A is basically, oh, it won't work for that Holley carburetor fire under the hood, will it? Because you know what, Class A fire extinguisher can be a water pressurized fire extinguisher. It can be two and a half gallons of water in a pressure container and you... pump it up, do some Louis Armstrong on it, and then you point the nozzle at the fire, and now if you've got a fuel, a liquid fuel fire, you're spreading that fire, aren't you? We've addressed that, haven't we? So, you know, those Class A, that's good for like if you're fighting fires in the woods, you know, easy. It's good for certain types of fires, but it's not a broad brush stroke. It's not a very safe one if your wife picks it up and applies it to the kitchen stove. And oh man, oh man. Now I know about circuit breakers and I know about ground faults, but right there is an electric plug. And you know, I know that man makes things and sometimes they fail. So you might put water on that circuit breaker. Again, we're talking about worst case scenarios here and how not to do things to a great extent. But let's go over to a class B. Because a Class B fire extinguisher, now that might move solids to a fire. That might be like a chemical, if I'm right here. That'll be like a chemical dispersant. It'll be something like baking soda. You know, that's another thing to go back to the kitchen fire. That pan of oil on fire dispersed baking soda over it. fire out because the baking soda gases up and displaces the oxygen, denies the fire oxygen. Now, let's go back to that. In the kitchen, you've got a natural gas fire. Now, you guys, water's not going to put that out. Water could move the fire off of the source, the fuel, because we go back to that. You need fuel, right? You know, we could use outside grills as an example, too, the fire department does, left and right. This is one of the major responders for natural gas and propane, in this instance cans of propane, for the fire department in the summertime. If they're not responding to your burning downhouse, many times they're responding to a grill that's on fire. Now how could that be? Well, you check those connections and all this and that. You know, many of the connections in your grill just slide together and there are no O-rings. They just depend on the fire up there. pulling through the last few like where your burners fit on much like your stove there's no O-rings there at any rate when a fire department moves in on a fire like that first thing they want to do is now this seems goofy because it's contrary to what I just said first thing I want to do is get water on that propane can to cool it down so they can safely move in and shut off the fuel source putting out the fire Now, we could compare this even to big oil wells. And big oil wells, you know, they use explosions to put out fires of oil wells, and they hope that that big kaboom blows out the fire long enough that they can well cool it down and move in and carry on with business, you know. But let's run up to electrical fires here. Because, you know, you could have, we referred to that fire in the kitchen, that Class A fire extinguisher, that water under pressure fire extinguisher, you using that? in an electrical fire will just about kill you because if it doesn't just about kill you it probably will kill you because you know while we are proof that water and electricity do mix we are also proof that great quantities of electricity in our body is not a survivable thing and you know water does conduct electricity now again that class A great for outside lawn fires grass fires all kinds of things And that class B would be good because it's delivering a dry chemical to suffocate the fire. But there's a class C type of fire extinguisher, and that's generally approved for electrical fires. It is generally a CO2 dispersal, and it will deny the fire air, oxygen. It won't... Bring up things that are conductive it won't bring up water and it's not near the threat now We could go on and on about this you guys We could talk about things like hmm. You know if the electricity goes out you're more prone to fire, huh? Yeah, if the electricity if the grid goes down you're more prone to fire Why because well after the batteries run out you got batteries for your flashlights, don't you? And after the gasoline runs out in your generator, you've got plenty of gas and you cycle that for your generator into the car over time, even if you've been putting long-term storage stuff in the gas, you know, stable or something else. You cycle that into the car eventually, don't you? And after you've run out of gas for the generator, you're probably going to fall back on things like candles and wood stoves for light and heat. Again, need I elaborate more? When the electricity goes down, the likelihood of fire goes up. And you don't have to even confine that to your household because around a campground, when all the batteries are gone, people tend to carry candles into places and, you know, it's nice to have light, isn't it? But open flame requires a discipline unto itself. Remember that. flame requires a discipline unto itself. Now you might think, well, let's go back and draw off of some of these thoughts. Because, well, you need air and you need fuel and you need heat, but if there's no fuel, nothing's going to burn. And if I'm in this mud hut, they can't set it on fire. Well, here comes that, that, oh, that anonymous they, that way behind the shadows of they. Have you ever seen a flamethrower? we've addressed this before if there's nothing to burn in your enemy want you out of there they will bring something to burn they will deliver to you the fuel we know that we need to address these things now again that mud hut what is concrete but a very uh... uh... i don't particularly want to use this word but uh... uh... graduated form of mud a civilized form of mud, an evolution, an evolution, you know, mud that's gone under evolutionary thought. And now it's concrete, so even in a concrete building, if they want to, they will deliver the fuels to that portion that they want to remove life from. It's that plain and simple. Now that goes over to the thought, there's nothing here to burn. What do you mean? Now... You guys, even on water, we've seen during floods, fires in the middle of a flood, we've seen that. But you know, other instances of water, I go back to you and I go back to and remind you that, you know, fuel floats, gasoline, diesel, fuel floats. And when there's a fire on the water, it's almost, depending on how far you can swim underwater, inescapable. Because no matter how hard you try to part that fire at the surface by pushing water up or whatever, you're not going to lift your head into an area that's breathable. Now, we've addressed this before. We talked earlier about, you know, in that bang. We've talked about this before. In that flash of a fire, or if the fire rushes up so quick that the room you're in is on fire, but right there, three strides away is the door. You grab the only other person in the room at the same time you realize what's going on and in those three steps toward the door man Let me see you lose your eyebrows you lose your mustache you lose all the hair your clothes start to set on fire you start to get first and second degree burns now you're out of the door and All of that happens in that that two seconds or that three strides You didn't take a breath while you were in there. Did you because it matters not? It is for nothing the burns that are on your skin first and second degree burns on your exposed little bit of burn on your face most of your hair your eyelashes your mustache you got you and your loved one you and your fighting friend you and your battle buddy out of there but if you were to sear your lungs you won't take another three or five steps on the outside before realizing something is tremendously long wrong and you probably won't be around for another three or five minutes. if you took a deep breath of that superheated air. We've cautioned you on this. One of the main things when people are surprised, they gasp. You try to discipline yourself away from that over time. Little girls gasp. Grown men respond. We've talked about this over the years, haven't we? Again, this useful servant, this fearful master, You guys, for your home, you keep a smoke detector in, you keep a battery in that smoke detector, don't you? You do that for yourself, even if there's no one else in the house. Now I know if you're a smoker that can be a hard thing to do because man, you're sitting in the living room and you're smoking a cigarette and the fire, the smoke alarm goes off in the kitchen, you know, 20 yards away. But, while we're awake, if you have to pop that out, I would remind you, this seems like we're not going in the right direction, but there's an old Arab saying about a running man can cut a thousand throats in one night. Why? Because every one of those thousand throats was asleep, and fire can creep like a running man when you're asleep. Many times it will be so insidious that it will not be the fire that kills you, it will be the gases, the fumes. Now again, you have a fire, you have a smoke detector in your house, don't you? Here's another thing that we need to address while we're touching on mechanical aids here. Because if you are conscious enough to have, you know, purchased a smoke detector for your house, did you get a CO2 detector? Sometimes you can get them all wrapped up into one, but that's not a good thing. Because you want a smoke detector up by the ceiling. And you want that CO2 detector where? Down by the floor. Why? Because it's a little bit heavier. It's going to disperse across the floor and then fill up the room. I mean, that's a broad brush statement. It might be entering the room like it would be a hose from the top of a pool. But, you know, you show me that scenario and then we'll have to agree with that. But a smoke detector and a CO2 detector might just get you through till morning and then you know what? You're still in the battle tomorrow rather than being a casualty to that fearful master. Now, again, you guys, in your kitchen, you should have what is known as an ABC. That's all fires. That'll cover a gasoline fire, that'll cover a solid fire, that'll cover an electrical fire. And if you're not there, you can trust that the wife can deploy that and not hurt herself. And generally, probably put the fire out. But do not let her. Over and over, this needs to be reminded. If there's a fire, the first thing you do is yell fire. The first thing you do is try to gain help. If you can be directing a fire extinguisher at it at the same time, all the better. But now these are little things. That's a broad brush statement. Remember the movie Jaws, and sometimes we'll draw example from movies, when the lamp fell to the floor and the captain said, put out the fire chief. Put out the fire chief. And what did he do? He just hit it with a fire extinguisher and it was done. And granted, they were in a place where calling 911 probably would have been a long way off. And I think prior to that, the captain destroyed the radio anyway. So again, many times, you know, looking for a different out can be a mute point. It doesn't matter. There's no help. We have to know how to deal with this right here, right now. But again, a fire can get out of your hands far quicker than most people realize. Many people die in their homes trying to fight a fire. Not as many as die in their sleep for the aforementioned reasons of smoke detectors and CO2 detectors from a fire in their dwelling. But many people will die trying to initially fight a fire in their dwelling and unknowingly become overcome by fumes. So again, ask for help. Make everyone aware. Get someone to call 911. And you know what? You've got ABC fire extinguishers around, don't you? Now let's go back to a different source here because you know that electrical fire, you know I'm gonna make a whole lot of people mad at me right now but that piece of night vision you bought from me could even cause an electrical fire. Oh no! But you know what? Your transistor radio could even cause an electrical fire. Your flashlight could cause an electrical fire. If it's in a bad place and you do not maintain batteries and the batteries juice out and worse things happen and it gets so hot that it starts to generate heat and set something around it on fire, batteries can do that. Lipo batteries, the batteries in the 888 or that 777 Dream thing, they're really notorious for that. You can't even put them in the mail. The US can company doesn't like them very much. But we're talking about even old, you know, like D-sized batteries, D-cell batteries for your malice green special flashlights. Stack up six of them and leave them someplace for about seven or eight years and don't open them up and well, maybe you might have a fire in that closet. Well, again, you know, we could talk about wiring. You know, if you're any type of mechanic, when you're under the hood, occasionally you glance at the wires and you... Look at for frayed ends and you check for cracked don't you you know the wire casing be it red purple green blue brown yellow Or did I mention red you look for these things these are the things that will initiate a fire now in your house Not everybody lives in a brand new house, and if you know if you live in a brand new house the day after you move in it's not brand new anymore and You know God didn't build it something can go wrong. You know you've got circuit breakers in most houses every day. They used to put fuses in and people used to put pennies behind the fuses and burn their houses down for electrical failures in the wall. Now, that's not a good practice. But you know what, if you've got circuit breakers in your house and the circuit breaker's going pop and you go back over there and you flip it and five minutes later the circuit breaker's going pop, it shuts off and the lights go off. Well, I'd tell you to, you know, Don't plug in well your Your don't overload a particular circuit I could elaborate on don't plug in your air compressor and your refrigerator and your auto lift and all kinds of things into what you know You're gonna pop that circuit breaker, but those you know many times we ask you to compare an inch to a mile But you know what if you're in your house, and that that circuit jumps off Pop man. I got to go hit that circuit breaker, and it happens again I've seen circuit breakers that have melted on the side and stuck in a non-position. I have seen that. I'm certain you have too, Mark, being maintenance and being in the trade that you did for a good long time in your business. I'm certain you saw that. Circuit breakers that were melted to an extent that they could have never shut off. Again, God didn't build that part, did he? X amount of everything is going to fail. X amount of X is going to fail. No, you've checked over your wires and whatnot, right? Now, you guys, one of the things about circuit breakers is when you clip it into the top and swing it down onto the bottom, you want to make certain that that has a good grab on the bottom because you know what? Over time, if you don't have a good grab on the bottom, that's one of the things that will make a circuit breaker pop and make you think that you have bad wiring in the house. And you know, bad wiring in the house is like a fire. And that's something that, you know, nobody was cooking and it wasn't the middle of winter and we didn't. That's one of the most insidious ones because it's just there, day or night, all of the sudden. Again, we didn't talk about this anywhere, anytime. That's how we started this hour. But in electrical fire, you guys, if you're popping circuit breakers in your house, in your trailer, in your barn, in your car, there are... breakers in your car and some people will take out fuses that have been popping in their car and replace them there are circuit breakers that fit in that fuse box and replace them with a circuit breaker now that only runs a heavier load but you guys that circuit breaker that's popping might be a warning that's something that needs to be paid attention to these are things that you know will keep us in the fight these are things that uh... We don't want to hear about casualties for something that was useless, that wasn't needed, that should not have happened. But again, you guys, these are small things that come up from nowhere. And again, you look at how stupid. I'll go back to that one example. How stupid some people are. Sitting at a gas pump. I don't know, his mother, his wife pumping gas into the car and he's sitting there with his arm out the window smoking a cigarette. So again, sometimes these things are beyond our control. And you know I walked in and I told that gasoline attendant, why don't you call the police when they sit there? I'm afraid they, I don't want my customer to be mad at me. And you know my response was, if that went boom out there, you would not want all that glass in your face and torso either, would you? She looked at me and she got a little white and you know what? I don't know if she works at that gas station anymore. And that might have been a terrible thing to do to that girl. But again, she would sit there, stand there at her post and see, and I know I wasn't the first person to mention this to people at that gas station. But I don't want to make my customer mad. And you know, I don't want to end up in a box uselessly. I don't want to be cremated before I get to the box uselessly. So again, sometimes you need to speak out and you know what? If there's a fire, you need to yell out, don't you? That's a word that catches people's attention. I've used up 45 minutes on this subject, Mark. I'll be quiet now. One of the most important things is everything has a stress point. When we're talking about physical objects, there's a point at which you can add too much weight and eventually it snaps. apply too much energy and a particular device simply fails, physically fails. Well, electrical devices are the same way, but it's interesting why they fail. They can only handle so many calories. They can only build up so much energy. They can only go so far like that. And then progressively, well, things just kind of happen. They retain a certain amount of calories or they generate enough that they can't shed or move and so... Well, that's what creates toasters in the walls or like you said Don, it can be a circuit breaker, a committee number of things that can finish the system off or do what you know, what needs to be done. You know, we've seen the old stories of the plug-on, plug-on, plug-on, plug those are of course old by today's standards. You used to see those in the three stooges even, remember the oh, yeah, yeah, oh no, I see why it went out. And of course a stack it from one plug over to the other stack of plugs and oh, it kind of runs for the time being. Well, kind of. But now these were peacetime things. We barely addressed the mud hut set on fire by the fire fire the flamethrower. Yeah, exactly. We barely did. And then you guys in I'm sorry, Mark, you know, if that concussion grenade comes through the window, it's going to set your carpet on fire. If it sticks in the drapes is going to set that on fire. That flashbang. You are going to have a fire. And you gotta be ready for it. That's why we've said time and again, well not only that, but even just, it's only CS. CS is an incendiary, guys. They throw it in a window or they shoot it through a window and what does it do? Well, let's see. Your curtains work as a buffer. You know, it's like a catcher's mitt. What does it do? It retains it and holds it in place and it drops to the ground because gravity sucks. Now what's inside most of those windows? Well, let's see. We got the curtains first of all, and they're progressively accelerating because they burn at one point and then they, well, the heat goes up, right? Now take into consideration there's also any number of different combustibles nearby, not the least of which is couches, chairs, wood or plastic, coffee tables, et cetera. See, go right through the shopping list. So you need to be prepared for flame, you know, flame, not just in the, you know, flame agent is in projectors, flamethrowers, etc. But remember that some things that you've been told aren't a threat. Or, well, the government told you, oh, it was only CSCN. No, it's a combustible. They always do this intentionally so they can try to use the same lie over and over again, and they have for years. Well, it was only a smoke grenade. Have you ever held one? You know how many thousands of those I've deployed? I mean, literally. It's in the thousands and thousands, guys. I used to be given cases of those to use up, Don. Hey, you see these guys in riots that pick them up and throw them back at the cops? They don't tell you about their burned hands. Yeah, you better make sure that you got something to pick them up with, ideally. In fact, you know, some of them actually have, like, these lacrosse scoops. Cool ones that are smart really know what they're doing It's like well here whole stills not a stone ball, but it's the next best thing It's your own garbage thrown back at you get on it back out the window beats jumping on a grenade Yeah, exactly well. That's where again any you know heavy leather gloves even there again leather is not gonna last very long against a lot of heat a lot of flame, but Remember that you can get asbestos work mitts in work clubs and it's something that you should take into consideration as being part of your fire safety paraphernalia. I used to get them for free, well, I used to get them as part of the tonnage of clothing that we would buy from the Department of Defense. There would be so many kitchen utility mitts for handling kitchen work, guys. and those are, you know, they're bunker, what they are bunker gloves. They won't melt. There are several new products out there by the way that are in the, you know, kitchen handling technology that are ultra lightweight that will not fail and will not melt. That's what's fascinating. There's some great new material out there. You need to do some research and Nancy was pointing out some of the new stuff they've got in the way of, you know, support for the kitchens. I want to take a look at a little bit more but I just haven't had time to shoot too many million other things to do but it's one of those things where there's technology already out there. The other thing is against sand buckets. If you can't pick it up and get it back. A five gallon sand bucket in each room is something we've talked about for years. Now how do you make it disappear? Well, get your wife to make a wrapper on. They do all these boutique things for five gallon buckets where you can put sand in it, put a fake plant in the top of it. And by the way, you can spend whatever kind of money or make it whatever kind of plant you want. It doesn't have any roots, so you throw the plastic one way, you take the bucket, literally flip it right over and dump it right on the combustible. You only have to mark all of what you've got in the way of sand. Go ahead, caller, jump in there. Mr. Mark, I was wondering, have you guys ever been overcome by a concussion grenade? You know what that can do to you? Oh, yeah, stun grenade. Well, it's an offensive grenade. You're perfectly conscious, and yet you cannot move for at least about two or three minutes. and they come up and they stick a bayonet in you. Well, it depends on now. Now the shock and response is purely a matter of... Your ears. ...cover your ears. It won't matter. Like, no, no, no. That's not the point. The idea is that, remember, stun grenades, this is nothing new. The idea is to understand it's coming. It's like anything else. People were told that they couldn't walk through tasers. You'll notice there's a lot of videos you've got where people have literally just ripped the taser wires right out. Of course they've gotten pissed and motivated. But they're not pissed and motivated running in flight, you know, fighting fully. There's a difference between fight and flight. And one of the most, you know, fascinating things people forget is we make a subconscious choice. And that's one of the things we need to be prepared for. This is about the mind aspect of this. Hell, this is even true with burned casualties. I would ask this. It doesn't matter. It overcomes your nervous system, man. It overcomes your nervous system. I'm very familiar with the varies depending upon... Maybe. It overcomes your nervous system. It hit your whole body. It's a shock. I've experienced it. I know it's like, it's not mental, buddy. I'm a pretty tough dude. Okay, that answers that question. It's not just a matter of blowing, you know, getting your wind knocked out of you for a moment. No, no, no, guys, it still comes down to you're going to have to... You know we are going to recover faster. I've been amongst the whole cascading... My point is that the only option you have is if you're down, then your buddy better take care of you, okay? If it's that bad and you're that shocked. But first of all, remember this. What's the burst radius on one of those? Well, it's called an offensive grenade. It's an offensive grenade. It has a three to five foot burst radius period. If you're that close, that's what's going to create total stun. Otherwise, the variance because of the expansion, remember it's an open air expanding shockwave. It's an explosion. That's all it is. It's traveling. It's air being compressed to a certain velocity. The farther you are from the event, Okay, well if it's if you're it still comes down. Did you catch it? Where were you in proximity to it? I had a I was working with professional fireworks, and we had an accident once Okay, was it a okay was a concussive grenade or was it a firework? Was it a fang or a lash? That's totally different. No, no, no, no, stop. That's an explosion. That's a totally different, you're talking a totally different mechanism. No. A shock. That's artillery there, buddy. Yeah, that's artillery. It's a totally, yeah, and you're talking apples and oranges. First of all, because of assault, assault, stop. Assault offensive grenades have short, short range for a reason. Why? They're called offensive grenades because you throw it ahead of you while you're moving. If it had a large burst radius, and it was as big as we possibly could, it takes you with it. It's kind of like dropping nuclear device that has a five-mile range and you set up the mortar launching tube in a three-mile range. It kind of defeats the burst. You see? It will be built at you if it hits you just right and you're down. Okay, stop. Back up here. What size was the firework you were working with? Well, tell me how big was it? What was its output? How was it handheld? Was it a fixture unit? What was it? Well, I would say it was a four-inch tube. So it's a four-inch tube? Wait a minute now. The point is you had people around you that responded, right? Well, it was a dud and it went on the ground and it did all the rest of its thing and then it kept going for like about... And then you were there alone for hours and hours? No, I was there for about, I got up on my own. Nobody even knew I was there with Darkout. You know, but I mean, I'm like, this is not like the movies. I'm watching movies with guys that have shows going off over them, left and right, left and right. It's like, oh no. You're going to get knocked down by them things. That is not a shock. That is not an offensive grenade. I'm sorry. You're talking about it. You're talking about what is the equivalent to a 60 millimeter motor round. or more. You're talking apples and oranges is what you're talking here. When you're talking an offensive grenade, first of all, it has to be small enough so that it can be projected, number one. If you are right on top of it, that's where the shock stun process is. That's why it has a very small burst radius. The epicenter in the activity is at about 40,000 PSI, but because of the size of the charge, and handheld. We're talking about grenades that are actually set up just like the old German potato mashers. They weren't that big. What makes them look big is the big stick they were holding onto it with to give it centrifugal energy when they threw it and because of the German fusing system, the handle has the fuse in it. You unscrew the cap, you pull out the cord striker, you grab it, pull on that, turn it around or whip it around, or actually typically you held it. There's two different ways to do it, but the problem is getting it started because there are a set of balls that have actual striker material like you see on a match, like in a matchbox, all around the balls. And inside the tube, the filament is actually activated and it's called, it's a green crystal, it's growing. You grab the thing, you... pull it that activates the fuse because you got thermal response going on the fuse is hover many seconds long and that vary depending upon need and they built them different ways depending on what year it was and you threw it at the aggressor and you ran at the grenade you charged with the grenade in motion And now the idea behind this is that yes, if I get it amongst everybody, it's going to stun them enough that within close proximity, they're going to be senseless. That's why they called them Storm Altilong, Storm Troopers, okay? Now the same thing is happening now, but you're talking, what you're talking about when you're looking up around four inches, well even three inches. or even two, you're talking a much larger charge than what you're talking about being thrown in. If it's a house clear and it's that big, it becomes, it's in a different category. It's either a satchel charge or a bag charge, and that's like what happened with Scott Woodring's place. If they throw a satchel charge in, it's designed to be a house clearer. You don't have to worry about you being stunned. It's gonna clean out the whole first floor of a building. Well, a house, anyway. See, that's two different things. The stun grenades are the ideas that with people being surprised. In other words, ahhhhh, throw the grenade and everybody's, oh my god, there's people, boom! And meanwhile, bop bop bop. Well, that's if you're totally unprepared. And even then, you should have security up and in place. I mean, with regard to how you put your structure together. Otherwise, they don't work as well when your combat troops are prepared and you're the combat troops prepared. That's why we use defensive grenades in the Army. Defensive grenades have a large burst radius. They're bigger in general. If you compare the difference between a shock or stun grenade and the traditional pineapple, the traditional lemon, or looking at the baseball, and there's even little Dutch grenades, and they're like a golf ball, all of those have a larger burst radius and a very different mission. They create fragmentation and stun. And their burst radius is much larger in general, even with regard to their charge. But it's that's two different stories if you had a if you have a three inch mortar round drop in amongst you It's bad happy times for you know, it's bad times for everybody It's not gonna be happy for anyone a four inch five inch charge like that And then if it's got a series of rattle charges attached to it, you know Like I've been saying it'd be nice to keep those things kind of around I wouldn't be wasting all these nice fireworks Everybody's been shooting off and been able to get finally especially like those back racks where you fire them and they go boom boom boom boom boom boom boom in the air and Well, just take and turn that horizontally and drop that over into a position just like you experienced probably. And boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'd say that have some effect. You know, that's the difference. Those are very different. If you were to set off even a conventional HE, some are directional, some are not. Some are omnidirectional. They will reverse their casing. The ones that are basically built for the civilian market slash law enforcement, there are parameters because they don't want to create necessarily a whole lot of fragmentation. So they have a containment vessel and typically they direct down certain channels most of the energy of the explosion. Here's another thing, too, now that we've moved into this. You know there are low explosives and high explosives. That depends on how fast the flame front travels. You know you guys, I had this talk with my father for years and he'll still tell me that when that spark goes off inside a gasoline engine, that gasoline and air inside there explodes. You know that gasoline and air that flame front travels at about somewhere between depending on the configuration of the piston top and the cylinder head somewhere between 18 and 22 meters per second now mark you think about that and that's rather slow in the world of Expo that isn't even an explosion is it That's a traveling flame front. That's all right. Yeah, it's on the edge the formula still because the consumption you know the energy slap Obviously also is necessary for the type of design and in fact an explosive action wouldn't necessarily, depending upon limitations, physical mechanical limitations, wouldn't serve our purpose anyway. Oh you pound holes in the tops of pistons. Right, we want to. You get detonation. That's an explosion inside a cylinder. We want to push. That creates flame fronts that travel at like a hundred times that 18 or 22 yards or rather meters per second. When you get to 2,200 meters per second, that's a high explosive. That's like a chemical explosive like C4. The diesel is different than the gas. The diesel engine... works on the more compression, the more fire and gas is actually an explosion, I believe. Well, it's still an expanding flame front. It's not an explosion. People, when you, like, run a car with real short or a motorcycle with short pipes... and you hear that pop, pop, pop, you know, the real loudness of it. All that is is the expanding gas. See, even as the piston is at the bottom of the cylinder, that gas is still expanding. When you open that valve, you get that exhaust valve, you get that rush. That's the report known as a pop. When you're backing off like a motorcycle and it backfires, we talked about backfires at the beginning of the hour, starting fires, that is flame. That is raw fuel that is past the exhaust valve and igniting in the exhaust system, creating a much louder report. But it's still at about 18 to 22 feet, rather meters per second. It's just in an uncontained area. That's why it seems to be, it sounds to us like an explosion. But when we think about explosion, you guys, you know, I don't remember exactly what dynamite runs out. But you know, dynamite is not even really, uh, dynamite, you can't call dynamite a high explosive at all. But it's dynamite! You know, if you look back, people used to do all kinds of goofy things for money during the Depression. Walk on wings of airplanes. put two cinder blocks on the ground and light a stick of dynamite and lay down on the other side of that with their head to the cinder blocks. There was a guy that did that throughout the depression. I don't know if he lived to the end of the depression. But it's true. I don't make this stuff up, you guys. This comes from the circus of idiots kind of thing. He really did this toward many of your grandparents ask your grandparents if they remember this it's true. I don't make this stuff up Well there were yeah in fact the most of us caught on film yeah, that's the scary part is like and even the mistakes are caught on film because hey he signed off and they oh well back in the day I was like well if you're crazy enough to do it. We're smart enough to video you know to film it I shouldn't say video because it wasn't video back then. Like wing walkers or guys flying those old ones. There's films of a guy flying an old Jenny, a JE-3 or a JE-2 into a barn. That wasn't computer generated. Think about it. Well the thing is that when we're talking about, especially munitions, remember that There's still the flash burn issue number one That's them. That's the most common first thing that we would have to be concerned with needless to say I mean, well what about shrapnel most of the shock and you know shuck and jive slash the offensive grenades are not necessarily designed to produce much shrapnel even in military configuration They didn't count on the shrapnel when they were throwing a potato masher That was the, as they were called, they were counting on the shock and the awe, the temporary discombobulation of the target, or at least to enhance and distract, because there's two things that are going to happen with that. You've got to remember, you're looking at a military application. When they were throwing it, the idea is some people are thinking, oh, I don't want that with me, I'm sending that back. And you've got to remember on both sides, there's a lot of guys that are really pretty good at doing that. I mean, there's those guys that are faster than you and me. I mean, if I would, where'd he go with what the hell? Some of them we call stumpy now. Yeah, and then others like, yeah, well, again, that's the other extreme is you get it and you throw it, but you throw it back and it goes off about, oh, maybe three feet or four feet from your hand. And a friend of mine, that's how his, you know, basically if you just take from the index finger knuckle and cut your hand across the, to the fingertip on your little finger, that's the fingers that are, that's how the fingers are missing. and he'll tell you exactly what happened. That's exactly how he lost him. But, it was better than Mr. Grenade being in his hole, you know. It was a choice, you know, because he just happened to be. You know, there's a, there's, either you send it down below and put it in the hand grenade sump, if it's down there you kick it, it's what you're supposed to do, guys. But it would just happen in his case, the grenade lobbed beyond, he was sitting right by his head. Well, that wasn't a good thing. So he grabbed it and threw it back, and you know, the good thing is, it wasn't one of our grenades. You know, one of the biggest problems with military operations like in Vietnam or any other so nowadays we just give our equipment out to everybody. Look what just happened with, you know, BS, BS in Iraq. They just got all this military American hardware that works, at least in terms of munitions, okay? Well, when the Vietnamese were throwing grenades at us, if they were their grenades, there was a high probability that there'd be either duds or, again, they didn't work that well. Unfortunately, as they would be in a defensive position, the position might change and there are several incidents where the guys just kicked the equipment off trying to get at the troops because they're running out of ammo. Problem is, half of what they kicked out were crates of U.S.-made grenades. And that's when the casualties started. Why? Well, before they were just receiving fire from, you know, stuff that kind of worked. All of a sudden they were getting doused on with buckets of U.S. grenades that worked really well. Unsuspecting. Yeah. At first they didn't realize, it was like, okay, could be a rock, could be one of those, maybe it'll work, maybe, oh man, that got me. Oh, we've talked about throwing rocks. Oh yeah, I've stoked. We'll have to go back to that small unit action in Vietnam someday and talk about those 19 men on top of that hill. We'll have to do that again soon. But we are into the next hour, Mark. I don't hear the music. We're going to hear it in a minute here. Ed's probably tied up. In fact, I got into a windfall of technology today. And while we may not have a perfect solution to help add out with the computer issues, we at least might be able to temporarily upgrade him with a clunker that is really kind of cool. I ended up with some laptops today that won't do most of what we do. We don't use laptops for most of our computer operations, guys. Anyway, upgradeable, but we can take some of our other concrete juncture stuff and stack it together and make it work to give us a bridge until we get through where we have the funding and the place for technology. Anyway, we are at the top. Down here before night vision. Dead number is two three one seven nine six eight four five eight. God bless the republic. Test the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire is on the run. But we are on the march both day and night. Who Ross? And remember guys no matter what it is if Mr. Gernade is not your friend and any high explosive technology. Well you want to be as far away from it as possible remember that's what they showed. Oh we're in the hole! to let everybody know to get the hell out of the way. Get the hell out of Dodge. Anyway, we're at the top. Don, God bless the republic. We did that, but that's in the New World Order. We don't prevail, ladies and gentlemen. We're on the march, both day and night. Don't hesitate, you guys. Maybe it's firing the hole. Maybe it's just a fire. Everybody knows. Thank you, Martin. End of the Revolution. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com.