June 19, 2014
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59m
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Mark Koernke discussed federal overreach, preparedness, and weapons systems. The episode featured extended caller discussions about military surplus radio equipment, ammunition sourcing, and comparative analysis of imported firearms kits (PPSh-43 variants). Koernke provided detailed tactical commentary on potential confrontations with federal agents, referencing the Bundy Ranch standoff as a preseason engagement. The show concluded with brief mentions of invasive species in the Everglades.
- bundy ranch
- blm
- federal agents
- tactical operations
- military surplus
- radio communications
- prc radios
- ppsh-43
- 7.62x25 tokarev
- preparedness
- second amendment
- fusion centers
- atf
- defense in depth
- ammunition
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Stay focused with the mission and get on with what needs to be done. Driver, are you still there? Yeah, yeah. Actually, what I was going to add to that is last night, probably about 9 o'clock, Facebook did a scrub. I don't know if anybody noticed that their page went down. But what I could figure is what they were doing was trying to get rid of the agents picture from off of their site. From the page, thank you. That was the other thing because I would point out, remember we got this peckerwood that was up here that was the liar that was with the fed up with the Houtari case. And I would not be surprised because they'd have to move the creature to another part of the country. So that's one of the reasons they're doing that. So you're good point there. Appreciate that. Bring that up. We're at the top of the hour break. You want to stick around? Yeah, actually I got some... Okay, you got more to do. Help me close for the moment. We'll come back as quick as we can. 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Visit them online today at MainMilitary.com. That's Main, like the state, Military.com. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. Invist the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight if he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and Wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Dil the land of the three locations and blimmin really hey, can I see your wallet? What? Can I see your wallet? Well, what's wrong? We're all friends here. You don't have a problem just handing your wallet over to me right now, do you? Well, I can't do that! Well, I'm sure you can't. You see, there's a whole kind of little nasty things you can do that are pretty straightforward. Here, you can look at my wallet. You can have mine, and I'll have yours. Let's take a look at yours. By the way, can I have your cell phone? Just like to see who you've been calling. You don't mind if I have your cell phone, do you? Call them out. Yeah. You see how that works? We've seen that before by the way. By the way, the page that you were talking about on Facebook, that would be the River Otter Preppers, right? Correct. Okay, so for everybody out there, that's what we need to be looking at. River Otter Preppers, see if anybody's got any background or historical. A lot of guys save a lot of stuff that's generated and like you said if they pulled an image, if you compare notes and they pulled an image then you've got all the database you need to cross reference, compare one to the other, compare one to the other. The bad guys especially, well let me put it this way, the Houtari skank as we pointed out, how were we able to pick him out? This is what's comical, it's black as pitch outside, it's night. and the character is wearing black wraparound glasses while he's sitting amongst people. Which right off the bat we always joke about, but it's what I've said for years. Yeah, the Fed is typically like a bad guy in a Japanese Godzilla movie, you know, in a tunnel at night with no flashlight, with black 60s sunglasses on. Anybody ever notice that? That was the black hat version for Japanese cinema back in the day. Black, dark sunglasses. Well, that probably looks cool during the day when you're outside, but running down a tunnel in the middle of night without a flashlight and wearing the black sunglasses to look like the bad guy, probably your survivability rating should go down quite dramatically. But apparently if you can run through the middle of that tunnel in the middle of the darkness at night with black sunglasses, my God, you've got better sonar than the average bear, so we've got to be impressed. So anyway, just watch. The Doofs actually get real, I've mentioned this many times, the Doofs also get very nervous whenever they're around regular people and everybody has the same mindset. They don't blend in, I'm sorry. They just don't guys. I've done this for too many years. And we pointed this out, hey, this person here, you know, well, you've got to make a decision on them, which is what we've pointed out, we've said before. Anyway, go ahead, caller, more. And we got down with this by the way too, don't we? Get out here, Don. Okay, nope, caller, go ahead, jump in there, please. Alright, one last thing and then I'll close here. It's okay. I was wondering if the Klansmen radios will, if they have a problem communicating with Bofeng, small Bofeng radios, and I figured you might know the answer to that. Oh, I'm sorry, repeat again. Somehow you faded off there for I don't know what. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, because I was just wondering if you can use those with the Bofeng radios or not. Oh, I don't know about that, but I'll tell you one thing that's cool about British radio communication in Australia. They can do things with their radios. We don't and can't. They were usually a step ahead of, but also with regard to what goes into their military application, bleeding over into private application. There's a lot of stuff and I haven't had a chance to look to see what they have and have made available. We use a number of the Australian CBs, but they're not CBs like we have here. and they will talk as clear in null frequencies. They broadcast out on one and receive on another actually two-step like we see normally with military packages back in the day. When you see like the Mad Max CBs that were being used, they were heads above anything we had in the United States. Of course part of the reason is that they're a remote country across the board, so their citizens' band was committed to a very different technology. One of our friends brought back seven of those and they are comparable to military quality radios and their civilian radios from back in the early 80s. Actually, I think one's from 79, the rest are from 1980-81. I would assume, not even doing the research right off the bat, that while those radios may operate in the same frequency, they also probably, or they don't seem, you know, bandwidth, they probably are opened up in other areas which is typically the case where you have overseas signal communications. The FCC doesn't do anything to help Americans, it hinders communications. That's its job. If it's a federal agency, its job is to hinder and that's exactly what's going on with pretty much every aspect of radio that was built in country. What you're seeing coming from outside I would have to, I'll do some research now, I'm rather curious. If those radios are available here or if they've been brought in as an import surplus item, I would be interested in them. So if you've got any, if you can find anything yourself, you can do a little research. I'd appreciate the help. One of the other, go ahead. Oh no, because I was going to purchase some radios from armyradio.com. Oh, okay, there we go. Well, one of the things I would point out about, and I see that again, what they're doing is taking advantage of inventories. A lot of these companies, of course, deal with stuff from, again, outside to the surplus industry. I mentioned before, I remember the whole family of Czech radios, they just had a handful of the handhelds come in that matched up with the backpack radios that we bought some of, what, about four years ago now? In fact, I was buying them right from the wholesaler. They had so many hundred of them available and we bought a handful. Everybody looked at them. Some people said we tested them and everybody said, we got to have more. I turned right around the next day and went back and every one of them had been purchased by one purchasing agent. The same thing just happened with their handhelds. There was a number of Czech handhelds that were just released. They just came into the country. The jobber had them for like maybe 48 hours. Somebody found out they had them, bought them all. So, good equipment. One cool thing about a lot of these countries, first of all, are not as well to do as we are, not spending money hand over fist. And like any military package, they typically come with the manuals, spare batteries, spare antennas, complete maintenance kit, all the fixtures and the hangers and even the pouches like we used to do and still do to a degree with some of our radios. But, except they're typically smaller and have features you won't find here. The ability to step out into another complete element of the radio spectrum, the jump, which is something that we can tweak the radio, but we have to do that by opening the hood. Some of the stuff overseas is just hitting a switch. So that's where I'd be. The prices that this website has is phenomenal. What I think anyways, you know you're talking about a backpack mounted radio for 240 It's a four watt portable FM with a 15 volt battery pack on it interesting 15 volt Yeah Lithium what kind of battery any idea? See here, you know why 15 is also that magic number for a couple of other military radios. We can't get batteries for No, not not not specified just as okay. I'm not fine. I'll thank you and that's an army radio calm armyradio.com. I am going to go give them a call because see there's a number of different newer past the AMPRC 90 batter radios. The AMPRC 90 is I think it's the 91. There were a number of SF or special application unit radios that we actually we can get for a pretty good price but we've got to build batteries for them. Now I've always as I've seen over and over again and I know this from personal experience You'll find that typically these pieces of equipment are usually partied or ganged or mimicked overseas. In most cases they're made by the American company that built them here and they were subcontracted. Batteries are usually made and developed by a second party like RailVac or EverReady, whoever you got out there, whatever is voting, everybody's voting. RailVac has big government contracts. A lot of these 15 volt systems cropped up as far as that is a battery option. Which really, they're copacetic if need be, you can under power them using a 12 volt system. But 15 watts usually is an indicator that there's a couple of steps there that we need for the subcircuitry. Depending on how they're hooked up to the radio, there's usually a gang fixture. And that sorts out where the voltage goes, what power goes where. So I need to find out more about that because the radios are available these little mil-spec they're actually ruggedized quite well ruggedized Late 80s early 90s production we can buy for about 27 to 28 dollars a unit There's a couple sources and I have mentioned them on the air because if I could find a battery first I'll grab what I want and you guys can have the difference. You know what I mean? I already made a mistake a couple of times. You guys got all the body armor. I was trying to get to somebody else. Everybody swoleped in and picked them all up. Fortunately, we still got the Kevlar from KeepShooting.com. But the radios are the same way. What happened is I mentioned it on the air, those backpack radios. And I know somebody was listening and they grabbed them for their units. So our people got them, but it was somebody else in another completely different part of the country that went in and picked them up. So, again, if we can find out, and typically it's the foreign units, example is the Canadians had a version of the AN-PRC H9s and 10s, so did the Brits, so did the French, and they had other features. In fact, they're pretty much, if you know how to run one, you could run the other. But the good thing is, total battery compatibility. And one of the reasons we can still get fresh batteries for the PRC H9s and 10s is because the can heads didn't ditch those right away. Now, the same is true with a lot of these other, you know, again, 20-year-old radios from the, you know, late 80s, early 90s. It's more likely we're going to find them where they were passed off or sold on the rent-a-revolution market or manufactured for a third country or a second country, and they sold them to somebody else. That's how they're coming through the system and how they're exonerated to be, you know, passed on. Anyway, go ahead, jump in there. Anything else? Oh, no. That was about it. I'm going to step off of here. I appreciate it. Heads up, now you got me on a hound mission. I got to go track on the batteries and see what they got. Because that's, anytime we see it, in fact, thank you for bringing this up because I should mention this on the air. Guys, when you go through military surplus sites, always watch for batteries and if you see anything, bring it up on the air. And the reason I say that is because remember, military application batteries are very narrow and specific, but a lot of these guys are buying junk from the government liquidation sites. and they have to take everything on the pallet. Well, they end up with, you know, by the way, there's 28 batteries or 5,500 batteries of this model there. Well, they're not going to throw away. They're going to probably offer them in clearance or as miscellaneous. So if you see them, or if you see them in a gun, not a gunshot, but a surplus, or typically, write down the numbers and give them out on the air along with a contact point. Because chances are we've got some of that equipment we either carried home or we bought the other junk out of the auction. and that happens a lot. You know, we get the batteries, they get the radios, somebody else gets the antennas, and all of a sudden you mix and match. There's thousands of antenna arrays and mics and headphones coming out right now from Gov Liquidation that go to all these rigs that we've picked up. And they're brand new in the box. They just came from some warehouse, somebody pulled a pallet and turned it sideways and go, shazam! Look what we found! Well, we gotta sell those, and they do. So... They go to some place where then we have to track them down over a period of how long to figure out where they went. And purely by accident, you typically run into them. So that's another issue. Anyway, thank you for the heads up. I appreciate that, sir. And I think our caller's off to the side. Do we have another caller? I thought I heard another ding and I don't want to leave anybody out. Very good. Go ahead. We got you, Fluffy. Jump in there, please. I saw on the web last night and saw that Royal Tiger imports has a lot of parks kits. Like the PPSH, I think 41 it may be. The V3 that's all steel, or the 41 has a wood stock? All steel with a folding stock, the 43. And it's available, they have the functional gun in both 9x19 and, let's see, the 760x25 I think it is. Yep. Now here's something I just planted a seed with one of the companies. I asked them very simply. I said, well, they're making 9 millimeter barrels for those peppyish 43s, aren't they? Well, yes, they are. I said, why aren't they making a 40 caliber barrel for that and doing it in 40 caliber Smith & Wesson? Compare the length of the case of the 40 cal Smith & Wesson to the 7.62x25 and look at the length. Look at the length of the projectile and the, you know, of the loaded cartridge. and then take one of those .40 calibers and load it into a peppyish .43 magazine and then think about, hmm, if you made a .40 cal Smith & Wesson peppyish, why, that'd be pretty economical as you're picking ammunition up from your enemy, wouldn't it? Not that I can't find 9mm, but well hopefully someone's going to be talking to somebody else about making 40 caliber barrel blanks for the Peppies 43s. And if they did, well it would be awfully convenient. Now here's another thing I shouldn't say on the air, but for people who are doing research, if you go to, and thank you for bringing up Royal Tiger, Royal Tiger, take a look at the picture of the kit that's cut up there, right? Go to Centerfire Systems and look at their cut up version of the same weapon. Then go to Apex Gun Parts and look at the same. Then look at the different parts and think about what overlaps with what and why maybe you'd like one of each. Did I say that? Why yes I did. Ah, you'll notice that the ones from Royal Tiger have much of the main front shroud completely intact from the magazine well forward, don't they? They do. Now if you'll notice the ones from Apex, they don't have the front shroud, they just have the front sight and then they have the fixtures to the rear heading back towards the rear of the receiver. Then if you look at Centerfire Systems model cut the way their model was cut, you'll notice that they're different from the other two. Now for anything you might wonder about, It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to buy one of those pepe-ish pistols in the 43 model so that you'd have the dimensions for the difference in the length of the wrist. Oh, you would, wouldn't you? And I'll bet you, for very little of any money, you end up with spare bolts, a basic print of what you need to know and all of its without any paperwork. But I would never put any of that together, but I would do research and development and go, hmm, this could be done and this could be done and down the road, it could be done. When the time comes and you need it. And then just think about if it had a 40 caliber barrel. Wow. And because the, look at the 40 caliber base were for the rimless cartridge, Look at the dimension for 40 Smith & Wesson's base. Take a look at the dimension of a 9mm case. Then consider the bolt face and extractor of the Peppier's bolt. And again, experiment with taking the 40 caliber Smith & Wesson round and loading it into the Peppier's 43 magazine. Hmm, it seems like everything kind of is copacetic but you get a bigger bullet. you get a larger case to work with which means that when you decide to make SMG or hot pistol rounds for that Pepish 43 it'll bark like a dog even more. I'd run for authority in voice. Yeah. And by the way you don't have to go with a conical load you could go with a round ball bullet. Remember there are many different bullets available in 40 caliber. You might even be lucky and find a bucket of the seconds or blems that they were offering through Hornady if you can make contact out there with the main factory. Then you could really start cranking out some, you know, sort the bullets and then crank out some experimental loads to see what, you know, is hot enough that it makes it bark faster because you're going to get more penetration, you're going to get more again. You've got to watch muzzle flash. You want to keep that down if you can. You can make it a little hotter and that handgun configured whatever it is, it probably wouldn't be handgun configured and it might actually just be the same basic weapon revisited down the road. But not right now. We wouldn't do that right now. But we could have all the parts so that later if we had to deal with a problem a wise person could probably do a little gluing, you know metallic gluing, get my drift. and all the parts would be the proper length and making a jig would not be a problem. Because remember SMGs and you know pistols of that size don't really generate that much pressure on that receiver. That receiver is nothing more than just a guide to track that bolt back and forth. Walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. You think the bolt piece might have to be machined slightly larger? That's what I'm saying, take a look at the dimension because of the way the pephish was built. I'm not so sure that it really would need any real modification, but that's where you need to compare. If you go to the specs for the case itself, you can look and compare the dimensions. It might work quite well for us. Again, a 40 caliber barrel. Right now there are several barrels that are available on the market, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of people. You can get barrel blanks from Douglas that would serve your purpose because the way that the Petfish barrel is pinned into play, it would not be hard at all to make pretty much any barrel you want work. If somebody had a 40 caliber Smith & Wesson barrel blank that was 16 inches long or whatever You can always cut it down to whatever length you want in the future when the time comes and then recrown the barrel That's not a problem Yeah, one other thing about what I saw there they talking about expensive Excessively expensive weapons they had one that I would consider almost worth it if you like the 556 they had one with the I think it's the RPK length barrel and the RPK stock in 556. Is that a VEPR? Was it a VEPR? I don't believe they called it a VEPR. They call it the RPK style, but it was a 23.5 inch barrel. Full length barrel, okay, or at least the proper length. Close enough. Yeah, well as a matter of fact, I don't know if anybody noticed the latest pictures Hint hint hint, you know people actually paying attention out there on the battlefield too. You might notice the latest batch of pictures from Iraq The whole front column are carrying RPK length weapons, but they've got scopes mounted on them and they're using them as MBRs rather than just as you know, squad automatic weapons using, for instance, ore dragon offs. This is something that happened in Iraq before when Desert Dust 1 took place. I might remind everybody that Saddam bought many, many, many dragon off rifles. But if you pay attention to the training that was being done before the war started, the dragon off in Iraq was being used more in the line of an M1 Garand or an M14, not so much as a just a unit sniper rifle. In fact, most of their training events you would see two to three hundred of these dragon offs in some of these units with no optical sight simply with standard dragon off iron sights. And that was a very common practice. Again, remember it like we're talking about with Nevada and a lot of other parts of the country. You can see farther than you can shoot so shorter doesn't do you any good. You need greater energy, more barrel length, you want to get that bullet out farther and you want to keep it on target. So you'll notice that they're applying tools in a particular way that makes a great deal of sense. Which is what I think is going on. Again, just pay attention to those pictures. What do you see? What are they carrying? I would also point out something else that jumped out today. Well, yesterday and the day before, they haven't seen very often, but they couldn't help it. They couldn't edit them out. You might notice when they were raising the weapons over their hands, count how many submachine guns those guys are carrying. Remember what I said about why the pistol, especially the 7.62x25 ammo is not coming into the US guys? Well, take a look at what those guys are raising over their heads. How many of those CZ submachine guns are you seeing in their hands? Oh, dozens! And those are all 7.62x25 in the check. They can use the hot check round if they need to, and they probably are. But those will use any 7.62x25 Tokarev round. Plus, you'll notice they're also carrying a pile of Berettas. Now Beretta made a knockoff for the Arab states, especially because they were being supplied by the Warsaw Pact. So those are most probably 7.62x25 also. And again, while they're a modern gun and using another magazine, either the 9 or the 7.62x25, one of the things to remember is that means that surplus ammo is going there and being consumed there. That's why I told everybody years ago, buy all the Tokarev ammo while it's cheap that you can. If they decide to start using it in war zone, which they have been, people are looking for bargains in Renna Revolution operations, then anything that will put a bullet down range is going to be used. And that's what we're seeing. And Iraq is no different right now with the campaign that's taking place there, just like the fiasco that the Israelis and the Saudi Arabians stirred up with Syria. In fact, it's the same gang, different location now. Gee, I guess a little kickback doesn't help, does it? So anyway, go ahead and pluffy jump in there, please. I'm sorry. Thank you. and I spent a little more money at Royal Tiger Imports because they give you a mag pouch, a whole pile of mags and the kit. I got a whole lot of goodies and you get the trunnion by the way which is really important. You get the trunnion with all three of the kits. You got to pay a little more from Centerfire but you get the trunnion. Now some of the kits you get a mag, one of them you don't. But don't worry, you can get mags cheap, cheap, cheap. If you buy them all at once from one source, shop around and see who has the best price and go from there. Hey Mark. Go ahead, color, jump in there please. What do you think the standard average rifle's gonna be that will show up against the Bundy Ranch? Oh, I'm sorry, repeat that again? What is the average? What do you think the typical, atypical rifle will be that will show up? Oh, as far as what they're carrying, M4 type. They may have, they may upgrade themselves a little bit because they're listening to what we talk about. But typically again, what did you see with the BLM? You saw an M4 car 15 type rifle. In fact you'll notice you saw Grenadier weapons, you saw 203s and you saw 37mm smoke projector slash flare projectors. Those were not cheapies by the way. Those were traditional either Czech or actually import or Smith and Wesson type launchers. Heavy gauge, very well made, very very, in fact actually a heavy weapon, more like the M79 grenade launcher. In terms of support weapons, we remember that basically a standard bolt gun in the Savage Tactical is very common in .308, but they could be carrying whatever caliber they, you know, is designated by the unit, especially the mercenaries. The mercenaries are not obligated to conform to the specs of the government. They'll just be carrying whatever they're, you know, whatever they get, you know, when they get paid, they'll be dragging in whatever they bring along with their company. So, but typically what are we looking at with all these quote-unquote operators? A .223 short barrel, probably with a vertical fore grip up front, some kind of ACOG or you know, red dot or whatever is the flavor of the day site that they want to use for their personal operations, and then a plethora of light weapons to include MP5 submachine guns, and you know, a mix of pistols, 9mm, .40 caliber and .45. Now that they'll coordinate between each other, in other words, some units will have 40 cal, some units will have 9mm, some of the mercenaries will have 45. Go ahead. So, I know you can't look into the crystal ball, but if something would take place out there, what would you guess the average shooting distance would be? Well, they're stuck. I mean, they're screwed in that respect because, first of all, if they stick to the philosophy that they have been forced to embrace, they're told they can't reach past 220 yards and they don't need to and it's going to be urban warfare and they're all practicing to shoot targets at intermediate to short, short range. On the other hand, it's purely a matter of what do you have to your shoulder and what can it do. For our people, I would start as quickly as we can to put them to the ground. I've argued this for years. If you know they're rolling in and they make contact with a picket and start to engage, and what I mean by a picket, this is why you have to have extended security. Extended security forces them to commit. Now, they're either going to roll up and try to fire up whoever, or they're just automatically going to fire up and then roll up on them with a progressive line of fire. Now, either way, then the gauntlet's down. Now, from that point forward, all the rest of your weapons platforms need to decide what engagement ranges are they going to use, how are they going to control their areas of operation slash their fields of fire, and personally, I would engage up to 1,000 yards. I would. I wouldn't hesitate. You know what, that golf ball every once in a while hits exactly where it needs to and even if not every round hits, remember that if you're dealing with infantry or even with mechanized, if they start to take fire, if you actually were on the ground and you start to engage with weapons that can reach maximum, you know, these ranges maximum for their, you know, their performance and for penetration and effectiveness, remember an AR-15 can reach those distances But remember that there's not as much bullet there when it gets there and it's lost energy in the process. The Otzik doesn't lose a whole lot of anything in the way of performance out to a thousand yards. And you are just as dead in a thousand as you are at 600 or 300. So with the 300 wind mag, the or 50-caliber bolt guns, then it's like a thousand yards. That's intermediate range for those guns. I would engage to put them to ground. I want them to start fire and maneuver. We have to force them to expend calories and munitions. The idea behind it is that no matter what, even if they aren't trained to those other ranges that you are, they will return fire. They simply will. It's in their nature. They will engage or try to pepper, put pellets back down range. The difference is you're aiming, they're guessing. The most important thing to understand is, number one, in the initial contact, There's a trick that we've used years ago that we found work quite well is do your prepared positions, but have light prepared positions to the front. And once you know that they're going to be making contact, you immediately move forward to your second, third, or fourth positions forward. Now, all of these should offer a certain amount of covering concealment so that you can move back. But the idea behind this is to move forward to create a different point of contact with their perception. What this does is it forces them to again waste rounds or to waste suppression fire in areas that you're no longer occupying. In other words, once you make contact, kaboom! you can designate that it will be a single magazine that's fired from that position, a five-round magazine if you're using a bolt gun or whatever, and then you're to move from that position and move back to your set, well say there's four positions, your fourth position you move back to the third which is secured and already identified, you'll fire from the prone or from the kneeling or from again the standing if it's a revetted position or if it's a dug-in position of any kind. and usually it's roll of the terrain. The idea is to take advantage of existing natural cover. You'll move to the second position and move then to your final defense position where you're fixed and you have additional replacement munitions and support. But the idea is to move forward of what is your first final defense line and then you have defense lines behind that that are very permanent or already established. If you've been in an area you should be working on establishing your control points daily. Every day you should be improving your overall operations overhead cover, fixed fighting positions, random alternate positions so that you're not predictable. But they're going to be, they'll try to do what they're trained to do. Now, that doesn't mean they can't do pot shots out to 400, 600 yards. With the 223, we were trained to work at 475 yards, not to the same degree of performance and credibility as the M14, but anybody out there that knows that with the 20 inch M16 in A1 or A2 configuration, we were engaging at 300 yards. How many of them believe in that or will follow through on that? Well, look at their philosophy and how they're trained, how they're conditioned. I mean, they're great for spraying people in white cars on streets in Iraq, you know, and shooting them from another car and spraying and praying. They don't care how many of the natives they kill, but it's another thing for those mercenaries to come up against people who really, really, really know how to use their weapons and will engage them at, you know, their perceived, you know, performance range, not the dogma created by the trainers. Yeah, it's a different story when you get Exactly. And the other thing here too is we don't want equity. I keep emphasizing this. Does it mean we can't have an AR-15 in the golf bag? Why not? An example, like I've said, if you look at defense in depth and how it's supposed to work, guys, you have other weapons in the inventory on standby anyway. The basic rule with defense in depth is that you should have 10% more than you're actually using in the way of weapons on the line with your first defense. However, once you decide to withdraw from those positions, in fact you may plan to do so automatically, the next defensive line should also have 10% more than is needed. And the reason for that is because of battlefield loss. Hey, weapons get shot, weapons get dropped, people get stunned. You're dragging somebody back to another position. They're not necessarily hurt, but they're not necessarily any, shall we say, cognizant of their environment. So many different things can happen. Well the idea is you plop them down, you throw a rifle in their chest and congratulations when you get your act back together and get back to business. The idea is to have the weapons on hand. Better to... There is no such thing as having too much. That's just not true. However, the big thing is knowing how to allocate and pre-deploy it so that you're not running around like somebody playing golf caddy in the middle of a battlefield. It doesn't work that way. The objective behind having the other weapons is, well you know what, I mean, it looked goofy, but you know, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I mean, I know guys that were in World War II and or were in Korea and they learned real quick that you better carry it with you and keep it with you and you better not leave it behind because if you leave it behind they'll use it on you. Actually, if you look at the footage from back when they, yeah they did, they had a full array of medium weapons that were at their disposal. In fact, the farther back you go into the, you know, remember the point of contact up front? The guy had a pepper ball paint gun, the guy behind him had the CS projector slash the 37 millimeter grenade launcher slash gas launcher, and then you had an M4 behind him. slash whatever you want to call it, Car-15 M4, whatever the flavor of the day name is, they'll change it again if they're trying to make you think it's not an M16. But beyond that, look at the armament that everybody else had. The five-man team that I referenced were either M4s and or one guy with a handgun. I assume the guy with a handgun was some kind of team leader. The rest were, of course, you know, comparably armed. Now, if you look, another thing to look, another thing to compare notes on is go back through all the pictures from the day they took the cattle back. you'll see that you have a couple of different units there and it just like with Waco when they attacked the first day. If you pay attention looking at uniforms and equipment you can pick out the different ATF units and therefore figure out where they came from. Well, when they got the cattle back take a look at that group they were all in OD greens separate from the rest of the troops that were there. Take a look at the armament that they were carrying. There was some excellent photographic work done by the people who were standing up against them. not just from straight on, not just from looking across where the Bundy cavalry came in to demand the cows. Remember, there's a lot of good imagery done from above upon the ridge where they had control. All across that road, all across that second overpass, not just on the overpass, but left and right. So you get very good imagery to actually evaluate the fighting force that was on the ground and how they intended to deploy and employ their weapons. What's the maximum distance for one of those grenade launchers? I'm sorry, repeat, repeat. Maximum distance for a grenade launcher? If it's a 40 millimeter grenade round, they can lobber out to 900 yards. Now you're golf balling it, but they can effectively use them out to that range. However, about four to 600 is going to be optimal for greater distance. Again, don't expect fire. They are a 40 millimeter grenade round. They are the equivalent to throwing a Dutch a Dutch copper wire light grenade out into the field. Now still, I'd love to have a pocket artillery piece like that and in fact from the other direction that's what our rifleman basically do. Instead of it being omnidirectional and hopefully kind of hitting the target, the rifleman's job is to make up for that until this time as I kill their grenadier and take his 40 millimeter grenade launcher out of his very warm and dead hands. So that was the one weapon where it's like, yeah, they had them, but let's put it this way. They understood looking at the deployment and what they had to deal with. It would have been a melee. The day that they took the cows back, think about the fighting force on the ground and how it was employed on our side and how it was deployed for activity. It was very apparent that they were hanging with their arse out of the breeze and there was no place to protect themselves. Had it started there was no guarantee they were going to survive in fact they knew that they would have taken heavy casualties and rightly so I'll pick you up and we'll come here and we're bleeding by hand on the front Officer, speak up a little more caller I got your voice but I can't hear you quite as well go ahead. Miss Kinsaw's house. She drives that car like this. If you ever see a woman go in on a gas pedal and she's got it put on her bike constantly. Did you see the gas in a 30 cents a gallon yesterday? Yeah. I noticed that. 30 fucking cents? That's why Saturday I was planning on fishing. A little bit of air in the truck. Go fishing. I see it. Wait a minute. Do we have callers or do we have somebody just having a great conversation on the phone separate from us? We'll get there. If you need it now, I can do it for you, but no. There we go, Fluffy. I think for some reason you went tinny on me for some reason. I don't know why. Go ahead, please. Okay. There. You're good. Go ahead. Okay, we got you caller jump in there go ahead. Oh, sorry I left the mic on while somebody came to the door I could tell that it was an interesting conversation and gasoline did go up by 40 cents a gallon. You're absolutely right Well, actually it's gone stupid price, but that's for a number of different reasons not the least of which is when everybody fumbles the ball over in Iraq the Chinese are gonna get the oil before we do and we're gonna have to buy the junk that cost more and Probably doesn't work as well Anyway, go ahead caller. Jump in there Okay, thank you. Okay, well one of the things to remember is that while the weapons that were available, you know again have potential, the problem is whether or not the warrior on the ground is willing to actually employ them or is willing to hold the ground, the piece of real estate he's on, if it really is of any value, which the cows really weren't. Were the cows worth dying for? That's the problem the bad guys had to figure out. They had stolen somebody's property and someone was willing to get their property back. So now they've got a quandary here because they thought they were going to play thug up. They thought they were going to do exactly and they were coached by the Fusion Centers, they were coached by Homeland Security, they were coached by the FBI, they were coached by the ATF, they did not work in a vacuum. They all sit at the same table together. And they were all puffed up to the idea that they were going to run over us American punks and they were going to get on with stealing more property for the communist Chinese. But when push came to shove, all of a sudden now it becomes a battlefield situation. Well that's very different from playing Thug Up. See, Thug Up is you're going to be the knuckle dragger that gets to beat down those peace loving Gandhiists because, oh ho ho ho, they all got nothing in their hands. Well all of a sudden you look left and there's rifles. You look middle, there's rifles. You look right and there's rifles. No matter who you are, I don't care who the Grenadier is, you can make casualties and you know what you'll do if you do that. If any of them had fired, there would not have been any of those characters to talk to anybody or debrief later on because everybody standing there would have hunted them across the desert until they were all dead. The vehicles would have done them no good. They would have died in place. I would strip the bodies of everything they got because I have to figure whatever the hell started this, there's more coming down the road. Now, once I got there, 40mm grenade launcher, I will use it. I have to. There won't be any hesitation. See, it may use it in desperation for a little bit, but every time they pull the trigger, that makes Vendetta and Revenge that much more desirable. And after that, well, we'd have been at war. That's all there is to it. We simply would have been at war. Go ahead. Did you hear that Fantilli, when he was interviewing at 1PL formation? And he told Pam to tell you that when we come back you guys better have a thousand people on the ground. Well, you know, and the thing is that I don't necessarily want them all in the middle. That's one of the things about fire maneuver operations and I guarantee, yeah, they think they're going to come back. That's why we need troops on the ground and why we need people there. But if it starts up, it's like the Knob Creek resolution, and I need to read that on the air again. Most Americans know that, yeah, we'll support what happens to try and help the Bundys out, but they're coming after everybody. This, all the Bundy Ranch was, for anybody who's realistic, was the preseason game. It was the preseason game where they were told they were going up against it. They were college. No, they were professional. No, they were super professional. And the peasants, the high school football team was going to get run over and they were going to be able to rape, kill, pillage and burn. They were going to be able to shoot women in the face and club men down. And they were going to just like to see all them cool videos where they get to high five each other after they beat up the Gandhiists at the college protests. And the whole thing. The whole flavor of the thing was there. Well, they're not dealing with college Gandhiists anymore, and Americans are pretty well at the, they are beyond the tipping point. The thing is, they're going to be probably told not to tell us when something is going on anyway, so we better have better communications in place. and not just at the bunny ranch. It could be any number of things. People are tired of being pushed around. They're tired of having a look in their rearview mirror. They're tired of the police state. They're tired of the borders wide open and the punk liars in the fusion centers and the punk liars in government are telling you how dangerous it is, but the borders are wide open. It's a lie. I said this 10, 12 years ago. I said this 20 years ago. It's a stinking lie because if those borders are wide open, I worked as an intel analyst. I was trained down at U6. These are things that we talked about in operational security is one of the several things that I had to deal with. And everything that they're doing is a lie. 9-11 was a lie. You can lie to somebody else, but don't try and pass that garbage off of me. I'll spit in your face because it's a lie. And the whole process now, the only thing they're doing is these whores are working for foreign powers to screw you and me because they figured they've gotten away with it this long. Well people do understand that now and they are just absolutely boiling out here. The thing is, we can't really stop anybody from doing what they're going to decide to do. It's like Lexington and Concord all over again. Nobody was sure exactly where it was going to start. It's just everybody understands there won't be any way to make any explanations or to apologize, so you better get ready for a war and be ready to fight, because the arrogance level of the pigs on the other side, the arrogance level of the foreign enemy that we have in this country is so high that it's no different from those British officers that bragged. That BLM agent is no different from that British officer that said, well, all we need to do is, well, let me go in and rape Camp Pillage and burn four American villages, and all the rest of these cattle will step in line. That was the British major of the Marines. He bragged up off, he was just given an open hand and went out and just, rape killed, pillaged and burned a couple of villages and you know, killed the kids and banned it, you know, the bar owners and you know, burned the village. If he just did three or four of them, all the rest of these sheeple would just get, toe the line. Sound familiar guys? Listen to how they're bragging up. See that's why for me, this is over. As far as I'm concerned, you know, when it happens, it happens, you better go for it because, do you want to be behind the wire? You think they'll let you live behind the wire? Prisoners who are in the prison system, especially the higher areas, everybody knows they plan on executing anybody behind the wire when the time comes. They aren't going to keep anybody alive. So it's the worst possible place to be and you might as well fight and go for the gusto and save your life. And at the very least, since your life is going to be perhaps taken, kill as many of them as you can. Get rid of as many as you can. Hunt them down if you if they're dead in front of you strip them naked and go on to the next one and what doesn't not embarrassed about that Oh my goodness those two people out west did that well We should have caught that sooner and prevented that and saved them for when the time comes when they're really needed Yeah, on the other hand, there's two of them gone and am I really crying? Well, you know, I mean, I'm not talking about the two that got, you know, that were killed. We don't even know what really happened. I can't believe you can't believe anything that you do see in the media. So we can't really believe anything we saw per se except, well, maybe a couple of cops died, in theory. But you know what's funny about that? Real quick, I know we've got a call over there. Hold on. One thing, guys, when I mention that one face, I have seen him before. I've seen his picture used. It's a fusion center picture, probably. After I said that on the air, they don't show the picture of the angular-faced guy that has the triangular face with the glasses. All they've been showing is Mr. Potato Head, the other guy. Now why is that? I mean, doesn't the other guy have a family and they were talking about his kids? And apparently because I didn't recognize that picture for being another stage picture from the Fusion Center as part of their inventory like in George Orwell's 1984. Remember Winston when he's looking for a character for their latest BS hero story from 1984 from, you know, the battlefield? And he's looking at... He's looking at pictures and he scrolls by a guy and he goes back to him. He goes, oh, Oglethorpe. That's him. Oh, yeah, he's the guy. Oh, it was Ogleby. I think it was Ogleby. Forgive me, not Oglethorpe. It was Ogleby. Ogleby! And then he made a whole BS story about how he valiantly did this and he fired that and he died this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and the whole thing was a fabrication made by Winston. So, even the stuff we're seeing right now is literally right out of George Orwell's 1984, guys. That's why, like I said, the only thing, if we can catch it first head on, that story out of Texas, I'm curious about. Don saw it. Don was asking me. I did several searches while I was talking on the phone. I said, no, I can't find anything. But this morning it was a subject on national on that national 700 Club program to include a scroll down below So maybe somebody recorded it they've got it, but otherwise it's been made to disappear from the memory It's out of it's in the memory hole now come on gone Corn before we go jump in there. Who do we have I heard a voice? Go ahead fluffy thinking Or but they're worth killing for Yeah, oh no, I don't plan it. The idea is to survive every action you can and to continue to get rid of people who are threatening your friends. That's the whole idea guys. We're not trying to place, find a place to die. I'm gonna make sure they find a place to die. That's the attitude you have to have going into every action. Period. Yep, we're at the top. We're close with him because we got BC coming up next. God bless the Republic. We shout for village and gentlemen the Empire's on the run. They're all on the mic forever. Hoorah! Thank you, sir. We got BC coming to mix. Don't you touch that dial. More live broadcasting on Liberty Free Radio. I'm outta here. Bye-bye, guys. We'll see you at eight. locally. That's one of the problems. What surprised me if there's anacondas in the Everglades? Oh yeah, by the time we're done right now, they already did run into them. That's been about eight years ago. That was in the news for a bit where they ran into one of the bigger pythons that probably somebody had let go and they just let it go into its environment and it let go with regard to a feeding frenzy because it had all the food it needed. As far as growing, you have to figure out how many more didn't you find or how many more don't you know about. The population density, reptiles especially, I've been talking about the turtles the same way. Go to town, cage them in an area where they are able to populate in an area untouched, they will repopulate very quickly with no predator problems. And especially if they're of a little higher class, you know, a larger creature, they're dominant.