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From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma. Big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both third, fifth pit. In our friends in the recall state of Colorado, waving to the left coast where we have the great state of Jefferson, we turn back to the east, waving to the bunny ranch as we go overboard, we're doing a lot of waving. And as we pass by them and sweep across the plains, we leap over the Mississippian land in the smoky slash the Blue Ridge, where the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium where retired telecommunications workers bring us the Golden Spike. Don, what is the date today, sir? Well, Mark, it is the 21st day of May, year of our Lord 2014. Beautiful day. It's just sunshiny. I can't tell you what the weatherman said it was going to be, but it's a beautiful day. I don't know what the temperature is, but it's rather pleasant. The sun's out. The breeze on this again, the 21st day of May. We're three whole weeks into May. It's a strike down the middle of the week kind of day. So with 1911 in one hand and Trustee magazine in the other, I introduce the magazine to the magazine well-touch the slide release and now we can tell everybody it is weapons one day, the transmitter is secure and there's plenty more where that came from. We can now offer equal opportunity, coercive force, get the job done and do what needs to be accomplished. It is a beautiful medium temperature day today, it has been cooking all over the place, damp, moist, and springtime so for everybody out there get the gardens going get the plants in do what you can and keep on promoting all those wonderful little green things out there because we're going to need everyone we can get our hands on as far as food goes I don't know about the other buds and stuff like that that's you other guys anyway so as it is let's see weapons Wednesday I wanted to touch on a couple of things here right off the bat guys I mentioned and we are eating them up and one of our friends this morning bought, I know more than a few of you did, bought the thermal AK-47 mags from gooseislandsales.com. Now people are like, Mark, we need to find a magazine pouch or a carrier pouch, you know, most people want a bag. Now first of all, let's go to the mags. I'll do it this way. There is a solution. Gooseislandsales.com www.goose.com Island Sales with an S at the end, sales.com. When you get there, go to magazines. When you go to magazines, scroll down to the second line, and there it is, $6 a piece for thermal AK mags. Can't beat the price, definitely are worth picking up. We need to square it away and get it done and out of the way and in motion as quickly as we can. So if you're going to be buying some, I take advantage of it. There's 98 left in theory. Application may be another thing altogether. Again, counts I don't trust anymore on these machines. especially at websites because I don't know if they're in doing it while they're at their leisure entering material or if it's got an automatic entry program and even there it seems like they're in mechanical brain fart half the time because when you actually go to pick them up then it's like ooh out of stock and ooh well they've been gone for a while or oops the picture was kind of a skew the information database so it's a general information block for you so you have an idea but six dollars apiece you can't beat that Also, right next to it, they have steel AK mags, probably Korean, they could be Romanian or Bulgarian. A bunch of those have come in that are steel 7.62x39 recently. And $9 apiece is the cheapest price for both those two mags in the country. Now the thermold mag I get first because it's cheaper. I get more mags. And the thermold mags are clunky, lunky, and they work. They're not pretty. They never were meant to be. They weren't trying to win any beauty prize. It's a tool. Okay, shovels don't have to win beauty prizes. They have to do their job. Well, this is the shovel magazine of the AK world. It's a simple mag. Doesn't have any super name on it that goes, WOW! THERMOLD! That sounds exciting. It's like I'm going to freeze or something, right? It sounds like a refrigerator company, doesn't it? firm old man uh... i don't know what one of those well the thing is they weren't meant to impression with the name the ideas function always do is just be a chevy i don't need a Cadillac i don't need a Buick i can live with a Chevy sure especially with regard to no frills no chrome no special logos it's just a mag okay going with my a k that that's right and it will so this is a solution guys who try to come up with no answers now that's uh... goose island sales dot com next There are a couple different bags that are out there, but one of them that's really kind of nice, because especially when you start putting weight in a bag, it's kind of nice to be able to hold it up, the British DPM Camouflage Gas Mask Bags. Now if you look on the back of those, it's got a belt hanger that's a molly type, only it's a big flap rather than one, you know, couple of straps. It has a snap system so you can hook it up without taking a belt off and just slide it up on over the belt, snap it in place. It has a leg strap because again with gas mask guys typically you're carrying them in the low carry. A lot of times that's what the unit does for SOP. And the idea behind that is you don't want the gas mask flapping around so there's a crotch strap that goes around the leg, around the thigh, and comes back and hooks up. It's padded because it's designed to protect the gas mask, so guess what? It does a good job of protecting your magazines, which is kind of nice. Now if you look around, and right now, the one company I was going to recommend today, Had them for $4. Well, apparently everybody thought those were really nice pouches, Don, because they ate them up in a couple of days here. So they got them in and they were for it. It was actually the best price in the country. Now, some other companies have these for $4. Used is fine. Used doesn't make any difference at all. The big thing is it's a 12-inch deep pouch. Actually, the dimensions are right there. And it should fit the AK quite nicely, the AK mag, the thermal mags. It's padded, so it will offer some protection. How many we can pack in there? I haven't tried with the thermolds. So again, it's an experiment, but it's a useful experiment. You're definitely going to get mags in there. How many? I don't know. Upright? Yes. So watch for that particular bag. That one is well engineered and it's modern. It's in a camouflage. The DPM is close enough if you're committed to woodland. You can throw DPM in there in the mix and nobody pretty well knows the difference. OK, but if you're also just looking for a carry pouch, it's got a nice shoulder strap. It's got a crotch strap. So a leg strap doesn't bounce around, it's got a belt loop. So if you want to carry a mag pouch and just carry the rifle for security, you want to check the yard out, you're going out in the back 40, maybe you just want to put it over your shoulder. You've got so many combinations of solutions, it should suit your needs. Okay, so there's a solution, that's number one. However, there are other engineer bags out there, typically that's what they're called. There's German, Belgian, most of them are Belgian, Dutch, and Brit. They're all basically the same dimension. At one point they actually were also gas mass bags. Though mostly again the engineer was a utility bag. One bag does everything in post-World War II where everybody was poor and they had the coal work going and they wanted to keep us pointed and growling at each other. So because of that they did a lot of stuff as general or utility items that could be used for a range of purposes. The engineer bags typically served that purpose. They were a good utility bag for demolitions, explosives, grenades. It was also like with the Brits, typically the British resuscitator slash gas mask bag with the later models. Then eventually they went to their own. They also had an independent bag that was built for very specific purposes, but it varies depending what era those were in service. Most recently, again, of course, they've committed to the same basic system we have where they have a bag specific which is also a visual identifier. I look there, that's a gas mask bag. I need that. See how that works? That's one of the other reasons for making a bag specific system for a gas mask, just like anything else. Magazines, I need them. There it is. That's what I want, that mag pouch. So we need to be thinking again about engineering something in your personal wallet and you being a better scavenger maybe than I am on certain days. You might find a better package out there. Whatever you find, jump for it. That'll be fantastic. In fact, Kentucky's bringing up the USA 4-Mag Pouch Air 15 AK rifle. Let's take a look at that one real quick. That's at Midway. It could be a... Oh, okay. It's one of the new black polymer. It's probably Cordura. It is set up with four stations, four pocket flat and it is a shoulder bag type. Hopefully we can get it in colors too. You can get it in black, you can get it in tan, you can get it in green. So take your pick. $13 is not a bad price for that pouch. And that is at MidwayUSA. Again go to, oh they got sales and clearance at Midway. I am tempted, I was tempted to go snap. Go check that out. So here's the thing, okay, Blackhawk AK-47 double mag pouch, but it's got multi-cam on it. So instead of being like a four mag pouch, it takes like twice as much material done because it's in multi-cam, guess what the price is? I can get a four mag pouch for $13, right? But the multi-cam two pocket pouch, because it's multi-cam, $41 a piece. I just can't see it. I can suffer with a lot of OD green. It's got to be multi, multi, multi camo. It's not that multi cam is a bad camo, but it's like that's the fashion thing, guys. By the way, another one that you can get fairly cheap that it really is close enough, you can get eight color desert no name brand. That's what they call it. Eight color, that's actually multi cam. Multicam is a good camel, but it's like my goodness. That mag pouch is built to the same basic spec as that four mag pouch right at the top of the page that Kentucky just pointed out to me. And when you scroll down, it's in the thing there. It's a 3,727 to 4149 depending on what feature you want. So I could get it for $4 less. $37.27, well let's do the math here guys. At $13 apiece, I can literally buy almost three of those that are four mag pouches for the price of one multi-cam double mag pouch. Now I've got an army, I've got to put an army together, which do you think, where do you think I would go? If I were just looking at retail, like this is retail or semi-retail. So OD Green, $13 apiece. Let's see, yeah, I think I'd go the three pouches for like $39 as opposed to $41 for the double mag pouch and I get 12 cells to carry 12 mags. More mags is better in every category, right? Always remember that. So apparently they've got them on sale. They were, or they're saved $11, 45%. There is a clearance section and while Midway is kind of unique, they have a lot of commercial stuff too. You just never know what you're going to run into with Midway and a lot of the stuff is high end. I mean you can spend $200 on a coat, $300 on a field jacket type item. The sad part is if you look at the wholesale and I just look at the importers down. They've got a Multique. It's an 11 pocket field jacket done in like a real oak. It's $200 and some dollars. Here's the thing, I just offered through one of the jobbers. If I buy 100 at a time, the unit cost is about $19.48 for the same coat. There's the difference in the markups when it comes from China Sport and most of the stuff comes from China Sport. Not to mention big bulk purchases. Oh yeah, 100 pieces at a time is a chunk of coat. The cheapest variant on that and it doesn't have the multi pockets, same pattern, in fact it's the exact same camo pattern. I just signed off on it, I just said hey send me the information. I'm looking for gear, although again that's not cheap, but I've got some units that are asking for specific equipment. So they're looking at 100 to 200 pieces at a time. And one of our New Mexico units is probably going to end up with a whole bunch of, hopefully, a whole bunch of the DPM Desert Camo here shortly. Like I told them, you don't need to go through somebody. You can buy it direct if you have a store, a business or whatever of any kind. It can be anything, grocery store, you know, cow and feed store. It does not be anything special. But they can turn around and buy from the jobbers and wholesalers. They're already set up for it. And nobody's going to think twice about it. So buying 100 or 200 or 300 pieces, is not that difficult. I'm planting that seed with all of you because if somebody is serious out there about putting a unit, you know, they've got a bunch of people trying to outfit them uniformly. If you peruse the system, like I said, woodland camouflage is right now the one to buy. For somebody who's looking to try and really get cheap because you've got French CCE woodland, Serbian woodland and US woodland and US molly woodland out there in force. To be quite honest, I've looked at all this MOLLE gear. There has been no improvement, no change done between the Woodland Camel MOLLE gear, MOLLE II, and the MOLLE stuff coming out right now, other than color. So guys, it's purely fashion statement. You know what I mean? And personally, the stuff works. Woodland works well enough. More important is you can get everybody in the same gear, plus you can get good sizes. I like a lot of different patterns. I'll tell you, there are some patterns I wish I could get all the components for and I'd tell you to get them. The problem is, I can get pants, can't get shirts. The other one, I can get shirts, I can get jackets, can't get pants. I can get shirt, I can get small pants, and I can get hats. Size, 52 metric. Now, do you know what 52 metric is? It's squeeze your brain. Sorry, it's kitty hats. Those would be like size 5 and 7 eights to size 6. Most of you are not a size 6. Those are getting out into girls and small women's hats and stuff like that. And children, which is great. Kids can get some great stuff for a great price. But the problem is they can't get enough of what we need unless we look at certain patterns or again we look at a macro pattern. The woodland camo stuff is well built. There's a whole bunch of really well built stuff. That is it's more than serviceable enough. The other thing is just basic Alice and type 56 gear There's tons of stuff where you can buy now right now right now and it's not going to last I'm telling you I'm warning you this I've done it before And I dealt with the surplus industry. There is a glut when you see it in a glut posture for a little bit buy it Because it's not going to be there in the future. Well Mark is a ton of it there right now. Yes, and it's surplus When the barrels empty they don't run over to the closet and find another barrel They bought the barrel from Uncle Samuel or one of these jobbers and that's it That's why a lot of people come to you go remember those East Germans thing, you know, you know kits you got us years ago Yeah, and I told you to buy it lots of them I told everybody by you know as many as you could because I was getting them for pennies I mean literally pennies guys I could buy a complete East German web gear set for A whopping $6.73 which was AK mag pouches, grenade pouches, canteens, the web suspenders set, they show everything, pistol belts, the whole nine yards, and a backpack. Now everybody's coming back, remember those? Yeah, I do. And when I told you guys to buy them before somebody else did, everybody should have put more money in. They're just not there. And you will find bits and pieces of that gear now in the surplus industry. They must have made a billion of the grenade pockets Don, because they're still there. They're not as cheap as they were. I used to get them for 10 cents, but now they're still about 80 cents to a dollar. I can still get you those. And the backpacks, they must have made up 50 billion of those, because there's the smaller day pack that's still available for, eh, now they're going up in price. Now they're running stupid price. Now they're around $14 apiece. Hey, speaking of stupid price, what would I expect to pay for one of Ronnie's M82s these days? You know that. I think up in the 12- or 10 to 12. Okay. Yeah, at least. I mean, it really depends. You see, now we've got all these new super features. I think there's a bottle opener on the side even. Yeah, and tomato soup. Yeah. Well, yeah, and a can opener. But a bottle opener, you've got a, you know, a cola opener on the stock, you know. Well, there might be one of those coming to the market here in the middle of Michigan. So I thought I'd mention that. And you guys, you know, that's a small arena full of five-cent pop bottles. I know that. But if you're looking in that direction, there might be a slightly used one never dropped. They've even taken care of, in fact, it might have some of that nice showorsky glass on top, 10 power. And there might be some of the accoutrements for that 50 caliber world, like maybe a can of armor piercing and a can of ball and, well, maybe even some loading supplies. We'll see. but that might be coming to market. I thought I'd mention that marker. Yeah, I'd like to see it go to somebody we don't know. It needs to stay here in the middle of Michigan and not go far away. Well, are we looking at a... Well, of course not. You don't know what the price will be yet, so... Not exactly, no. It depends on, you know, again, how many cans and you want a reloader and things like that, you know? It's like, yeah, you want a reloader. Yeah, unless you've already got one. Yeah. Yeah, but most don't so yes if your reloader is available That's gonna be part of the bill. That's what you're looking at. Is there is this close close or is this like a? Arms stretch away Or they're here call. Okay Well thing is again, it's just rich for my blood, you know, I can't do that, you know Guns are for buying not for selling. I have to remind everybody of that Let's see, well a couple other things, on the, as long as we're on the 50s, Watson's Weapons. Don, you have the information there perhaps at your fingertips. Somebody was asking me this, in fact the email, this will answer the email on the air. What can we do for a 50 to go out to the Bundy deployment? Well, Watson's Weapons, guys, in an AR-15 upper would give you the quickest solution and allow you to carry more than one weapon for you know one lower receiver if you wanted. The most important thing here again is with an AR-15 lower for as little as about $120 to $150 dollars. Guys you could be putting a 50 cal on the shelf for what about a little under $2000 right down. Oh for certain and that would even include some glass that's probably going to live on that. Larry has an upper less than $1,300.00. So again, you're looking at $150.00 for an AR-15 lower, buy the thick stock, don't buy the adjustable. In addition to that, like you said, medium optics wouldn't have to be anything too fancy, but it's got to be able to handle a 50 recoil. Most of them will nowadays. Most of the heavy rifles, and there's a reason they can say it'll handle a 50 because everybody forgets There's still a lot of 338 Winchester out there, 338 Lapua, 460 Weatherby Magnum, and so a lot of the middle glass companies, you know, slash scope companies, they want to make stuff that'll handle those Model 70, Model 700, the Weatherby signature rifles, whichever model, you know, their 20s and also the big Mauser bolt actions that, you know, you don't see many of them here, but every once in a while they've come into the country from Finland, Well, of course, think about it, 338 Lapua. The idea of where these things came from, well, they had an action they worked off from. And the Mauser action, the big, big-bolt Mauser actions have been big in Northern Europe for a long time for heavy game and for just plain long-range shooting. Way before the Barrett's and a lot of the other .50 caliber stuff we see today came out. There are a number of different solutions and because of that or actually issues where somebody wants to sell a product, well they don't want to send it to somebody and have to keep replacing it. So they've actually done a pretty good job of tightening up all the break points. And so you can probably for about $400 to $600 easily you could get something that would reach out to whatever range you want to. Now would it have all the incremental doodads and rangefinders? No. But to get your weapon going and to get it online consider this you'd be taking it out to the Bundy Ranch where you can pull the trigger and Really find out what that scope and your rifle would do Hey, look over to Ronnie's site that you know Barrett calm and he's selling a package be it the bolt gun or his M82 the semi-auto that has a scope on it and You guys when I first heard this I we bought this to the hour two or three years ago working with the people in the service department over there at Barrett Manufacturing, where they build those M82s and other fine bolt guns and that semi-auto M82. They haven't had a failure. I won't mention the name, but if you go to the site and look for their kit, which includes, I believe it's a fixed, it might be a 10 power, the people in the service department tell me they've never had to replace one of those, Mark. Now that's bragging rights because if it's true, there's that end and it has a gold ring around the end of it and they tell you that this will live up to your 50 caliber. Skip sent two of them back, Mr. Talbot when he was still around, and they sent him a $600 bill for taking them apart and putting them back together and telling them there was nothing wrong with them. When he put them back on, they still wouldn't hold a zero. It's a big dollar piece there. But again, I can't remember the name of it. I could reach over here into one of the .50 caliber very high power magazines and probably find in a little while one of those advertisements. But look around on the Internet you guys. Bearit.com and look at the kit he's selling, a complete kit .50 caliber in the scope. He's got 80 rounds in a box and it's all cool. You can have a lot of fun for the bottom of a weekend day. Maybe a little longer because you'll be breaking in your gun, right? It's B. I know, Mark. I don't want to mention a name, but it's right there. It's a, you know, fingertip away on the internet. But that scope, it's around a $400 scope. It's intermediate in the price range. Now, you guys in the 50 caliber world, it's not beyond belief for some of these. When you walk up and down the line at the 50 caliber shoots, there's a scope that's $3,200. There's a US optic. It's like $4,600 and it doesn't even adjust internally. They tell you you could hit it with a sledgehammer. Now that's an exaggeration. They tell you you won't have any problems living on top of your $50 with that. Did I mention like $4,200? I talked about this before you guys, but look over to that Ronnie Barrett, Barrett.com, Barrett50caliber.com, whatever it takes to get you there. Punch in Barrett M82, semi-automatic. 50 caliber BMG, you know that's a mouthful there, but that will certainly get you there. It starts with a B. I don't want to mention any names because I don't want to tell you the wrong thing, but they say they've never had to return. The service department told me that. They've never had to return one of those scopes, Mark. That's on a bolt gun. Some of Ronnie's bolt guns don't weigh a whole lot. So 50 caliber world, you'll hear that. The mild shove of a 12 gauge when it comes to recoil, but an M82 is not the mild shove of a 12 gauge. It's a recoil. Some of Ronnie's real light bolt guns that are less than 20 pounds, those are going to push on your shoulder rather rapidly also. It's living on top of those guns, you guys. It'll live on top of your build-up gun with an AR lower. I'm pretty certain of that. When it comes to Buying an upper, don't skimp on the barrel length. There is no need, there is no excuse for a 17 or 22 inch barrel on a 50 caliber upper. That's in my world, in my book, that's ludicrous. I'm not talking about some rap singer. It is a waste of time. Look at the spin. Man, you barely got a spin. You haven't even hardly talked the bullet into it. You're going down the barrel before you That's a big old bullet sending down range for some of these burrs that are barely long as you know the distance between your ankle and your knee. When it comes to a 50 caliber you want the longest barrel you can get you guys. If you can get an upper with a 29 or 32 inch barrel, more power to you. The other thing you'll find that that adds weight to the gun, let's go back to that. Hey, a heavier gun doesn't stick as much and you might find, well, I got three cans of ammo and I'm going to Not because, well, I'm here for fun. About the time you believe it or not, halfway through that second Hamel can, your shoulder is saying, are we going to do this for the rest of the day? Again, you guys, if those scopes are living on top of Ronnie's guns, they'll live on top of your build-up in on .50 caliber. But stay away from the dinky barrels in that respect. There's no point in it. There's no such thing as a one-shot. fifty caliber bmg rifle is there iris mike a mark right now one of the guys in the chat room posted up the twenty barrel twenty sparrow upper receiver assembly cq fifty uh... for the present price four thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars just the upper with the barrel guys over there does another bag comes in the tube by the way uh... hey rah or that fosseq fifty years that maybe because they all have got a mag fed gun Meg fed. Oh, it's the upper. No, it's just the upper. Just the upper receiver. Okay. Now, the interesting thing is it's still for 1,000... $800 more expensive than when Barrett started selling the whole gun years ago. When the Barrett first came out, guys, you all understand that he was trying to move it. It appeared at the Ohio Valley Gun Collectors Association in Cleveland at the big hangar when they were up at that end of the state. It was a price of $1,800. Then it went to 3,000 a little under 3,000 and about 3,000 and well today since it's got such a name And they're marketing it all over the place. Well needless to say Price is no. You know is no question. They're just whatever the market will bear so it's interesting It's uh it does come with a mag, but also I'm I notice it says CQ 50 now Forgive me mark's not keeping up on any of the new calibers. So is it 50 50 BMG or is this one of the new? 50 caliber unique cartridges. I got to do a little reading on that one now. But anyway, still $4,850 and that's off the Barrett site for just the upper and a mag apparently. It looks like you get a, well actually they do show a mag in the picture but they don't say that there's a mag that comes with it. Hey, wait a minute. So maybe it's just the upper receiver. I don't know whether they got a mag in there if they don't list it. They always get in trouble over that. Well, I see a picture of a mag. I'm supposed to get the upper receiver and another mag, right? So it's a 20-barrel upper receiver assembly, CQ50, for $4,850. Also, this is in the next generation of muzzle compensator. I've noticed that, too, because guys, the Barrett 50 muzzle compensators have evolved over the years from the original circular conical to the flat plate that we see now, the flat plate constructed compensator that presently is being made. I don't know if they are forging and milled out or if they are fabrication. I haven't looked at that closely with the newest ones in image because they can be done both ways. It's not really that complicated but the forging would be much stronger or more likely to survive long duty. Yeah, less likely to fail. Yeah, because fabricated components, just remember at some point there's a weak weld spot and that's where the rupture starts or the flaking or cracking starts and then it works through with harmonics. That's just the way it happens. That's why everybody understands it with fabricated weapons components. That's what happens. You just expect it. But what can you get in the way of life out of something like that if you're pressed in need and service? Or it was the technology that you had to use to get the product out. Because, again, large castings and forgings require machinery. And if your country doesn't have it, you have to fabricate from component. If you are the United States and have destroyed your industrial base, you have to fabricate in component. Oh, that's right. We are already at manufacturing third world status. So, that's where we'd have to go if we were looking at building, say, a knockoff of that system. We'd have to look at it and go, okay, how much of whatever is being done can we cut short or reduce to an even greater extent? One cool thing about Barrett is that a lot of the components were intentionally, because back in the day when people were prototyping, it's like the pistol grip. It's an AR-15 pistol grip. Why? Well, because there were billions of them out there. Now, since they've done that, though, Hogue and everybody else now make custom pistol grips to shape any hand you want so On the one hand you get the benefit of if it breaks I can cannibalize something off an AR-15 wreck But, on the other hand, if I want to have a shoal grip or I need a grip to get me a little better control, I can go out and find any number of different companies that are making stowage grips, rubberized pock-mire type grips, ergonomically tapered and angled and finger-notched grips. You take your pick, whatever you want to buy, whatever you want to spend. But that's a bell and whistle. If you were looking at military production, it would be, well, how quickly can I make these out of something? Aluminum, can I cast that out of aluminum? Can I make it from existing used stock? In other words, do I have pistol grips laying around by the tongue? Et cetera. See, that's how you have to think about it when you're looking at where can I shave cost and expense so I can spend more or I have more material in another area to build something like that. That's how you need to think about weapons systems from the beginning. Not later on, oh we're in trouble. Guys, I keep doing this for a reason because had certain weapons been built at the beginning of World War II, the Germans would not have lost Europe. And most of those weapons weren't that complicated. I mean, just an example of that is the Panzerfrost just brought into service say at the very beginning of World War II for the Germans, it was the throwaway RPG, it was the laws rocket of its day. That weapon could have been produced in greater quantities, especially when their industrial complex was not being bombed. The large Russian tank offenses would have been nullified. Yeah, exactly. Every man with the ability to knock out a tank plus the precision of the weapon systems that they already had. certain weapons that they eventually embraced and adopted early on were cheaper or later on were cheaper to make. The British had to do this in the early stage of the war and I keep bringing up the Sten gun. Think the Sten gun idea but put into every weapon system. the PAWS rifle. Look up the P-A-W-S. I know in the chat room you guys can pull it up pretty quick as you have before. The PAWS rifle was an idea that Rockwell International, TRW and several other companies were, you know, they were told, okay, World War III is going to take place. You're going to lose a lot of manufacturing. How can we build an M16 kind of rifle or a weapons defense rifle from existing components and or from the parts inventory and in other words metal stock? What can we do? The PAWS rifle was built on a piece of rail aluminum stock that basically is the equivalent to a crash bar door. A crash bar control for a door, a school door. In other words, think an aluminum tray with one slide-in panel, and then the AR-15 works that were available, the guts that were available, along with a barrel, were put inside that with a barrel block. They used an M60 for a trigger assembly, and they used a side-feed sheet metal fabricated magazine well that was riveted or screwed to the side of the square tube. Guys, it worked flawlessly. You know what they did with it? They made it disappear. You want to know why? Because it worked better than the M16. It was a works in the drawer rifle. It was so simple it was ridiculous. And it only cost about $18 to build. Wow. And in fact that was prototyping. So guys, if you can build it for $18 or $25, what do you think its production cost would be? Once you start going kachunka-chunka, the price goes down, doesn't it Don? Oh yeah, and even the looks get better over time. Yeah, well eventually, but crude and rude, it wasn't even all that crude and rude. In fact, here's an example. Remember back in the 90s Bushmaster, when Bushmaster was independent, not just making the same old AR's everybody's making. Bushmaster still had a little bit of a creative mind like they did back in the 70s and 80s. Remember that Bushmaster bullpup pistol they came up with? You might notice that what I just explained to you with a pause rifle is what Bushmaster did with that weapon. They used an extruded aluminum tube stock that was actually, if you look at it, it's ridged and reinforced. Guys, all that was was a crash bar, a crash bar door body. When I say crash bar, you know when you go to a door and you slap it and you push it and it opens up? You know, it's an emergency door. You know, it's fast to open. So if you're people in a rush and people get pressed up, the idea is that it's in public places. It's square piece of metal. One side is opened up. However, if you haven't noticed, that whole trough actually on either end. Go take a look at those doors if you've got one where you're going to a school or you're going to a business. If you'll notice, on either end there are cover plates. Well guys, they don't make any special machining. The whole tube is milled and slotted with all the necessary stock points. And all they do is make little sliding cover plates on either end. Well, what Stone, what, forgive me, what Bushmaster did is they said, hey, why don't we just take that particular type of trough and now we've got a slip cover and everything, blah, blah, without any invention. All we've got to do is make cover plates, make a barrel, a breech block. Guess what? It had a carry handle which also remember the back of it was the charging handle for the weapon. Kind of like the original AR-15 idea where they put the, it looked like there was a reverse trigger in the roof. That was where originally the charging handle was guys. It was on top of the weapon and pushed the bolt back and was protected so it couldn't be hurt and it was part of the carrying handle. Well, that little idea, that little Bushmaster idea partially came from the PAWS rifle project. So somebody in there was either paying attention to Engineering 101 in the gun world or, and I believe this, somebody was a young man probably that worked with the PAWS project in the 60s and brought that knowledge to Bushmaster in the 80s and early 90s. Because that only been 20 you know 20 25 years later. It could be inside his career scope Yeah, right a retiree or somebody who is there when it happened There are several weapon systems that were invented during the 60s that were made to disappear Because they were so stinking stupid. It was ridiculous as far as production costs go Which means that rather than buying one air 15 at a hundred and fifty eight dollars a rifle You could have had oh, let's see how about 15 to 20 pause rifles Wow all. and blocked to the front to stabilize the barrel. It was some of the later models that they produced when they started cranking these out for test and experiment. They actually bored and drilled the front shroud for air cooling, not really necessary, but it was one of those, like you said Don, we'll make it look cooler, and they did. So they dressed it up and gussied it up. By the time they were done, they tossed it away. Lots of money spent on it though. And Rockwell and TRW said, I don't think we want anybody to see too much of this. Because if we can make it in our big factory, anybody out there with a little bit of a brain could be making it in their garage. See, the AR-15 does not lend itself to garage production as far as from scratch, guys. You ever look at it? Remember what I said about all these 80% receivers? The only reason they're useful, the only reason I even recommend them, is because all the dinky twiddly work is done. If you had to go out and do it, it's a real punk gun for garage production. It is. There's too many little holes that got to line up or that doesn't work. There's too many fine pieces of thread that if they're not done right, it doesn't work. And if you make a mistake, it's actually like every receiver is a tool and die man's nightmare because it's like you're a tool and die man. When a tool and die man makes a tool, he starts out on a project and it used to be those projects would last up to six months. If he made any mistake during that six month period before he got to the end, he had to start from scratch and work over. That's how an AR-15 receiver is when you're trying to build one from scratch. If you make one mistake that in any way shape or form is too distorted with that aluminum, and because you can't really putty things back in very easily, then that piece is done. On the other hand, the 80% receivers that we're talking about, the threading points are done, the critical tiny drill points are done for all little posts and all the junk that was really hard is finished. and all you have to do is Crayola bore out certain points and make a couple of drill holes and you're done. Now otherwise I'd say go the AK. If I was building from scratch, you know every one of these signs out here on the road is a potential AK receiver guys, multiple AK receivers. The AK receiver doesn't really take that much energy. That front trunnion block takes all the energy. All that the tray does to the rear that we call the receiver, all it does is hold all the junk together so it works. It was crude and rude. You got to remember it was built by a country that just came out of World War II that made peppy-ish submachine guns, stamped submachine guns like they were, you know, against. Yeah. Like a Bugs Bunny cartoon with a factory. You know what I mean? Yeah. And literally they were just, here's one, go kill somebody before you get killed. You know, three rounds later he's dead. But don't worry, pick it up. Somebody else will use it. They were dollars per gun. Notice I didn't say tens of dollars. I said dollars per gun. Basically the Peppies cost about $3.00 to $3.80 per gun with slave labor to build American, the equivalent translated out to American in the day. Before we move too far away, you sparked a couple of thoughts there that combined into a completely different one. When you talk about garages and you talk about precision things you guys, Talking about those clamshell brakes, you know, the flat plate brakes, you won't see this near as much in the tube brakes, the shark gill brakes that ROC McMillan makes. You won't see them in anything that looks like it came from the jet propulsion laboratory because you're looking at thicker walls. But much like the erosion that happens at the throat of any gun, be it a 22 or a 30-06 or a 50-caliber, There is erosion at the other end, in particular across the circumference of each of those plates where the bullet passes. Now you are going to oil it just like you clean the rest of the gun, but when that burn is passing through there you are getting mechanical erosion there. Over time, no matter what you do, you are still shooting the same load. Nothing else changes and your groups get bigger. You can take your muzzle brake off and take it to your friendly machinist and he can line up the threads to the best of his ability. There's the caveat there. And he can bore down through that two or three plate system and take 10 or 20 or 30 thousandths out. By the time he starts taking 30 or 50 thousandths out, you're going to notice a difference and it's going to just a little bit more, but your groups will tighten up. just hung ninety degrees to the bore that metal is thicker so that the same thing's going to happen but over a lot longer time frame in but as example break on the arm a light the air fifty is one of the break that would be more prone to this scenario the type of erosion we're real quick on that too let's remember that when Barrett first came out with his uh... Barrett fifty he was using a uh... Boy's anti-tank rifle flash hider because they were about two dollars apiece on the wholesale market guys. When he originally came out with a design, again this is why prototyping was so affordable to get these things done early on, the original, everybody could buy the surplus like this. The Boy's 55, obviously 55 calibers instead of 50 caliber, gave them a premise, a concept of where to go and the research was already done. The other direction was 50 caliber rifles and the Russians made more 50 caliber rifles and Carter has little liver pills didn't they? Oh if you look in some of the films in the right places you can see Russian ski patrols and all of them seem to be carrying a very big rifle. Very long barrel! What's that big hole, that big piece of broom behind your head? Yeah it wasn't a broom handle was it? No. The other thing is if you watch during like the Battle of Kursk You will see where the Germans were fighting the Russian units and overrunning the initial outer defenses. The units were issued 50 caliber bolt-action rifles just like they are the RPG today. They actually had a 50 cal rifle in every squad. The whole thing about seeing the Russian troops or the RPG guys is not a new concept. The anti-tank weapon down into the squad was the norm, not the exception for Russian troops. And the 50 caliber bolt guns or 50 caliber semi-auto guns. They made a 50 caliber rifle that looks like a, in fact it is made by Semenov. It's an SKS on steroids. If you like the SKS, you could handle this weapon as far as understanding its maintenance and operation because it's nothing but a big blown up in design SKS rifle. Only with a god awful muzzle compensator on it. But it's the equivalent to the Russian answer. Well, it predates the Barrett by decades. But it was the Russian solution to trying to put more firepower and more range in the hands of the infantry and the ability to punch things. So whether or not it was employed by, I mean there's discussions that the snipers on their side, just like our snipers, have used and experimented with 50. On our side, Hathcock, for instance, used the M250 caliber with the Erdle scope on it and was quite successful at tapping off individual rounds. And he discusses that, as I recall, in his book. So you'll find the information on that. And that was only a pen power. Yeah. Yes, we should point out guys, everyone goes, I need a super special, you know, duper scope with laser rangefinder and blah-blah. No, you don't. That's what gets me about this over and over again. Guys, those are good features, but understand that most of the epic shooting that everybody talks about, you're talking simple post or crosshair. Yes. And knowing what your weapon can do. Now this gets back to what I'm talking about, opportunity. When we're talking about going out to the Bundy Ranch, and please don't get frustrated in any way. I get PO'd at different times, but the Bundy Ranch deployment is probably the most pivotal single event in this decade, if not in the last 30 years. Going back 20 years to the Waco Siege, okay? Just because the bad guys have said, oh we're all asleep now, we're going to sleep, we're not interested. Remember they said that before the election about the gun grab? And 22 hours after the election, they were after your guns and they flat out said on national television they wanted to kill you. They chanted, kill the gun owners on national television in America. Everybody just kind of goes, I'm not hearing that, I'm not hearing that, this is not happening, this is not happening. Well, it was happening right in everybody's face. So understand that their logic with the yes men, with the buffoons they have in Washington and the Yamakawera Shysters, the yes men are telling them, hey, don't go back to sleep. No, we're not. In fact, everybody pretty well, if you look at a lot of the writing down that's gone after this protest that was supposed to happen this weekend, two things were said. Guys, we've protested so many times they're not listening and they're laughing. We can't afford to spend that kind of money when we need that money. The other thing that's most commonly said, we can't spend that kind of money when we need it for the war effort. This is being brought in from so many directions that are, again, outside of your circles. So everybody has pretty well got the same mindset. It doesn't mean that we aren't going to tell them don't do this, but we're going to say don't do this and explain to them that we have a weapon in hand to make sure they don't. You see, that's what happened with the Bundy standoff with the cattle. They ordered them to fire, twice they ordered the feds to fire. But because the Second Amendment, forgive me, Article II of the Bill of Rights backed up Article I of the Bill of Rights, then it didn't work out the way they planned. Now, going back up to the other direction here with these weapons, You're going to be able to get off to the Bundy Ranch and find out with a simple kiss, simple system. If you pick a basic scope, you can take it out there and I am sure they won't have any problem establishing in a shooting area and maximizing performance. What can I do? Here's one of the things I've said. We've got a couple of ranges here. We can do it here in Michigan. Take one of those moison they gots out there and take that 2,000 yard iron, well 2,000 meter, 2,000 meter iron sight and why don't you figure out why they put it on that rifle. Now, it was you go, well Mark, I can't see a person a 2,000 yard, no, but you can see a car. That means if you take like a refrigerator box and you put it out there at that range and stand it up on in and stake it down so the wind doesn't carry it away, Wouldn't it be kind of interesting to see whether or not you can take those iron sights and that 154 or 174 grain or that 160 grain bullet and put it into that say refrigerator box at 1600 yards golf balling it in? Wouldn't it be fascinating to have a spotter just to see what that bullet does? See, this is where you take advantage of when you're in an environment, take advantage of the environment. You can shoot farther than you can see. Well, the whole idea before World War I was rifle marksmanship, even during and after World War I. The bottom line is that everybody experimented and performed and in fact became masters of the weapons on their shoulder. We expected people to use reverse slope shooting with a bolt-action .30-06 guys just like you would with a reverse slope grazing fire with a machine gun. And you know the kicker? My grandfather could do that. He would tell you that he could do that. I have family members experience it personally because they used it in World War I. He was in World War I on my mom's side, Grandpa Schilling. And again, got gas a couple of, oh, I got gas three times. But in the meantime, he put a lot of bullets down range, okay? Everybody did. It was part of that thing about being on the front. This ammunition here, can we use it? Yeah, yeah, go ahead. We got plenty more coming out. We've been here for four years. We've already done this a lot. Think about that, how that would work. You're showing up and you're all excited and you're cock robbing and you're big rooster on the roof and you get there and it's like, man, these guys look kind of dull. Mind if we shoot some? Not a problem. We've been doing it for four years. Of course, most of the guys I came here with are all dead now. You know, you see, so it's like wow, Ed gets some new blood in there, everybody's excited, well I guess I can use these things. See, so just something to think about. Again, experiment guys, I don't care what it is, but don't let people talk you into the idea, you can't do that, really? I expect you, if you've got a handgun, to make somebody nervous at 100 yards in year 45. In fact, let's put it this way, they're probably going to be unsuspecting and if you really, really stay focused, that 1911 will reach 100 yards and put that 220 or 240 grain slug onto someone's hind end just fine. Oh yeah. And in fact, you settle your body, you plant your legs, you, you know, again, without them thinking, don't be flashy, maintain cover and concealment, and then breathe, bring that weapon up, sight it on the target, elevate, and boom. and watch to see what that bullet does. Now if you see somebody go plopping over, you might have done something right. On the other hand, if he feels that brush cracking around him and he hears that bump, is he going to ask what it was he got shot at with? Hell no. He's going to move. So you've done your job one way or another. Please enter your access code followed by a pound key. Well we are at the top here Don. We're going to hear the music in a minute. And for everybody out there listening, it is. Weapons Wednesday. Don, your number for night vision for technology to go on that weapon. Hey, that number is 231-796-8458. We've got that first generation gun sight still available. $375 right in your mailbox. My number is 231-796-8458. And for Mr. C out there, we haven't forgot you. Do we have a caller real quick before we go any farther? I know we just had something come through the earpiece. Invalid access code. Please try again. Hey, that access code is... That might be... Again, that might also be Daryl, hopefully. I don't know what's going on there, guys. We shouldn't be hearing that at all. I'm connecting... I know. We don't have to see the access code. That access code is 957-464 and then... Done. That that noise that sound your access code followed by the time to be coming off of you Nothing's changed for the hour. Yeah, I read out word it's going you left in just a moment, right? I'll tell you what Ed bring up the music. We'll close out any way. We're at the top of the hour Yes, and Ed Don will hang up and we'll see if that clears that particular issue up Goodbye. Oh Don you still there still there. Yeah, all right. Well, somebody said goodbye or somebody had to say yeah, I Well I was toting my pack along a dusty gravel road when along came a... ...as a new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire's on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Hoorah! Down your upper night vision closes for the summer, please. Head number 2317968458. Thank you, my God bless you. God bless America. I've got vital types of guns in this here land. 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