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If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep, and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? And good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, this is the... First hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Kurnkey. And I'm Don Betcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and north. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com running M&M Micro stations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net Technologies East and West of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the homework network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the third, the fifth, the fifth, and our friends in the recall state of Colorado, waiting to the left coast where the great state of Jefferson is there, flying a banner of freedom. We turn back to the east, sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge where the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Ma Bell Grandma Consortium of retired telecommunications workers bringing us the Golden Spike. Don, it's been gray, it was rainy earlier, it's been kind of neutral but just the same middle altitude gray like it wants to rain but I'm just not sure. I don't want to rain but I'm just not sure. Ah, the hell, I'll just move on down the road. So we didn't get it but maybe somebody else is right now. We had thunder and lightning way off on the distance interfering with the phone lines a little bit this morning. So, I wouldn't be surprised that's moved out over to Ontario or maybe a crossover to Ohio. We'll see what happens. And we might find out more if I look at the weather satellite systems, because I don't trust the Weather Channel, but I do trust the weather satellite image for the most part. Anyway, what's it like in your neck of the woods, sir? What's the date? What's jumping off the wall? Well, it's pretty much the same for the weather. Intermittent rain looks like it wants to rain and it's probably going to rain sometimes some more, but it's not right now. That's kind of like Michigan for you. It is the 16th day of May. Year of our Lord 2014. Beautiful day. Again, it might rain, it might not. I'm not certain what else might happen, but hey, we're still here, aren't we? We're still in the fight. Again, 16 May. We covered a couple things throughout the week. a snowball here. There are ways to pair this, you know, analogies. You know, let's do it. Todidodidoo, you're walking down the street and here comes somebody and in a moment you might have experienced this in your life and if you haven't, well you're lucky and if you have not, well you're lucky. Well, at any rate, all of a sudden here's somebody else and well you might have a history with him. You don't like him for a long time. You know like long time or It might be somebody you've never met before, but all of a sudden there are punches being exchanged and kicks and all kinds of things. Well, you walk away and you throw that problem there and walk away. Now, the next day, the next week, sometimes it's the next month you find out that that guy that you beat up last week, last month, or just yesterday has a bigger brother. Now I didn't want to just generally use that term big or bigger. Brother, let's just say an older brother because big brother sounds way too much like we're talking about government, doesn't it? So this guy has an older brother and well he just happens to be bigger. And he moans and groans. You know when he comes home he's got a black guy and you know his ear aches for a month and you know he kind of walks with a limp and his brother's trying to figure out who did this to you. When his brother comes across you, he wants to do those same things to you. Many of you have experienced this over the years. We have run it in a different way also. I've experienced the aforementioned scenario. Another one that one might have experienced over the years is, you're minding your own business and you're walking along. Here come a group of people, two, three, or four. A lot of times you'll find that, well, it's the little guy that's got the big mouth, but the big guy's right behind him. If you kind of step sideways a little bit and deal with the big guy first, well, generally a lot of times the little guy's run. But it's a lot easier to deal with two or three little guys than two or three little guys and one big guy. Now, these are basics here, you guys. The other opposite of that, that's a basic military action there. What I've just described here. The opposite of that is to draw away a single opponent, perhaps the smallest one, and crush him. Then keeping the other small one between you and the big body, crush it. But again, all the while you're worrying about the bigger body which could deal a deadly blow any moment. So you best just to step up and crush it. These are basic psychologies and thought lines on. Again, the isolate and destroy, that's one. The others attack the main body. Running to the main body, those are saying, well done, we can't go toe to toe. We reference it in different scenarios. The main body was how big at Waco. We can probably find official records to tell us how many people were there. They probably won't tell us. We can do our own experiments by figuring out how many exit orifices we can stuff into a particular sized cattle car and then multiply that by two or three. We can extrapolate those thought lines, how many were there and how big that body would be. Then you have to add up some others like the Oh, what would you call them? The aceliaries. Yes, the aceliaries like Lon Horiyuchi and his crews. So you look at the main body, do you attack it? Thinking about this moving in, it would have been something for a group to close on Waco to the extent they came up on one of the sniper bodies, the hidden, and just deal with that from behind because snipers tend to look in one direction. We've addressed that over the years, haven't we? It's really good to look around. It's really good to be more than an army of one, isn't it? We've addressed that over the years. That's what spotters are for. Spotters keep the immediate area clear for the sniper. Hopefully, but it would have been something to move into an area and overrun one of the outpost teams and then just back right out and there's nothing left there. Brought a puddle of grease. Now that's the isolate thought. But if you isolate enough, then the ancillary portions don't have any means to support the main body. I hear a number of things, Mark. Perhaps we've got callers I yield to you, sir. Well, let's see who we have. First of all, do we have any callers? And we're going to give you a one and a two and a three. OK, now. Blue! There we go. Callers, jump in there. What do you got? Hey, good afternoon, guys. Hey, this is in weapons west. I have a question just so you think about it. I know you guys aren't huge fans of 223A, but I got an EOTech just recently. If you guys had your crew out there would you rather have something like that or an actual scope on a 223? Well the one nice thing about it, you've got an EOTech with a flat top, is it an A3? It's an ES2. One of the new, okay, you've short scoped, one of the new optic systems, right? Yeah. Did you get used or new? No. Okay, so it's out of the box, you want to experiment with it, what a great place to take it, right? A dot on a single plane, an open eye site, a quick acquisition site. There's a number of ways to explain that site. That's why, what I would recommend is this, considering the size of the unit that goes on top of the machine, you can't afford not to take it with you, number one, only because, like you said, you've gunned up, you've got the equipment there, you're going to go out into an environment that's very unique. and you're going to get a chance to find out do I really want to use this. You don't have to ask us. You can physically test it. Now I wouldn't blaze away with a million rounds, but I would do a little bit of a laboratory test and find out am I adept with the iron sites over say the intermediate or short range scopes. There are people who work better without optics than with. You may be one of those people. Personally, I work better with an iron site than I do with short optics. That's a fact. I know that only because I've been raised with iron sights all my life. It's all I've pretty well knew. In the beginning, I typically have not used a scope even with high powered rifles. For deer hunting, I use an iron sight. I don't use a scope most of the time. It doesn't mean I don't bring a scope rifle along. Traditionally, when I've hunted, I traditionally have used a 1903 Springfield. It actually won the Governor's match here in Michigan twice. It's my first rifle that I got as a birthday gift years and years ago, decades and decades and decades ago now. But I carried with me a sporterized O3A3 that's carrying a 9-power Burris. that is zeroed right in at 100 yards. It will snap a deer shoulder and a heartbeat. But most of the time for the majority of the shooting I'm doing, the iron sight would be more than sufficient because I worked in heavy woods and or rolling terrain with open break and woods. Now you're going out to a very, again, a unique situation where on the one hand if you're going to be deploying out there at the Bundys, You've got the garrison site, which is an urban built-up area. It's in the middle of nowhere. But then you've got a surrounding area that we've pointed out many times. You have greater ranges and distances than your weapon could possibly reach, even if it was an M250 caliber. And so the balance here is experimenting to see how far can I take that short site as opposed to say carrying along if you have a quick release system for it, right? Take it to any rail? It. Okay, well think about it. You can zero the weapon while you're there If you go to the Bundy well actually no forgive me. I'm gonna have to give you some information here I've said before about familiarizing yourself with going out to that site now everybody listen up here because I want to give you a little quick lesson in how you can learn things without having necessarily be there, but walk a whole whole bunch of a real estate, okay, go to YouTube and I want you to do this myself because I'm going to bring the channel up exactly the way we do it. If you go to channels for me, And then I'm going to go find the site that is so friendly, and that's Jason Patrick. Now I believe he may be off-site, but Jason Patrick, that's J-A-S-O-N. Oh, actually, no, there's some new ones up now. Good, good. He's caught up again. Jason Patrick, that's P-A-T-R-I-C-K. Go to the Jason Patrick channel on YouTube. Scroll down. You'll see that they have a training area for practicing short range and intermediate range rifle marksmanship and they've been using it for team training, fire maneuver. So there's the site that you have to actually experiment with. Now the next step is taking that weapon back and actually convincing the guys, let's see exactly how useful this site is at what range. And so you drop back at 10 or 20 yard increments and again go through proper posture, proper control of the weapon, don't just play with this. Take every aspect of this seriously and find out what your maximum performance range is with that optic. There's a number of different knockoffs of the EOTech systems. Of course we've got several companies here in Michigan, Red Dots right here. You've got two or three other companies that have made mimics. Most people don't even talk about it. I don't know if they've gone out of business, but they even had small government contracts for the Navy and for the Air Force. So there's a lot of cool stuff that's out there that you might experiment with. In your case, you've already got it. What I would do though is before you take off is real quick, pick up an intermediate nine power fixed scope or whatever you want or variable output variable. geometry scope 9 to 12, 9 to 14, 7 to... I mean come on, there's a whole golf club cart full of stuff you can buy in terms of scopes. But I would pick an intermediate scope and take that along and see how that works for you also because you are going to have ranges where that scope will apply. Your weapon can't reach as far as you can see again, but you'd be able to observe. Consider that a daylight piece of glass that's more powerful allows you to observe the motion of your enemy in advance and provides a quick to use spotting system. So that's one of the other reasons. While the short glass is cool, you see a lot of it, you see everybody over in Iraq using the short glass because typically what they're doing is they're playing secret police, kicking in doors and rousing people and confiscating guns. We are nothing but a police occupation over there. They are going door to door, they are fighting in little urban areas, whatever. But that is not what you are doing here. This is an American battlefield, more like what you would see with the earlier stages of Iraq when we had to fight conventional forces or the resistance units around the ground were working in a para-conventional method. Then you actually were seeing regular engagements at greater ranges. Afghanistan, more realistically, a big chunk of the activity there is like that. But buying long range optics, although it's available, a lot of guys don't necessarily can't find it. So they're going with what they can access to enhance, you know, enhance visual range and then typically are either carrying in or buying, you know, something else, you know, binocular or binoculars. to give them the maximum range that they need. Nice thing is here, we're not stuck in a slave state with everybody running around in sandals and dirt pore. We have the ability to go out and pick what we want, cherry pick out of the inventory and it's on the shelf typically. The other thing about carrying these things, and again if you want to or don't want to carry it with the optics, and everybody has their own idea about this, remember even if you do carry and use the optics, if you're going to switch over to night vision, you want a little no name brand pelican case. They're all over the place. China Sport makes all kinds of black ones, silver ones, whatever. Grab some spray paint, camel it out a little bit on the outside. Who cares what it looks like? It's going to get beat into the ground anyway, be you're going to carry it on your backpack. Or you're going to have it again in the field. But when you're not using that scope, don't just chuck it in something, not even a soft pouch, get a hard case for it. That will protect it. You know, it'll protect the glass that'll protect the mechanism Well, you could bounce it more or you can you live with less fear or concern of babying something You're able to transport it Now the thing is if you're gonna have a vision along with it You want the case to be big enough to handle your night vision when you're not using the night vision You're using that day scope you've got go ahead. You know, I was in I definitely was not brought up in a hunting family. I got a 308 and If you were going to take somebody out and just like help them zero a 308 with a scope on it, are you zeroing? What's a good range? 100 yards, 300 yards? I mean, what's a good... Brand new gun? Some people can get away with bore sighting a brand new gun at 100 yards, mount the scope on it, and bring the scope to aim point when the gun is bagged down. So the gun doesn't move from the bore sight. You've got the scope mounted, you bag the gun down, you bore sight the gun to the best of your ability. You can get pretty close. You can get within two rings most of the time from bore sighting if you know what you're doing and paying attention. I have seen people a fresh on to their 50 caliber in the middle of competition. At 1,000 yards, the general rule of thumb is the back of the barrel goes to the front lower portion of the barrel which centers on the target. That might put you on the paper at a thousand yards, but again at a hundred yards you guys it's almost like you're looking straight down the tube if you fall a little bit low you're going to correct for aim on the ladder, right? You know the adjustment of the scope, right? But would you, maybe I'm misunderstanding or not explaining myself, What's a good spot for the guy that doesn't just learn? Would you take him at 100 yards and be like, okay, let's zero it there and then you can learn for elevation and windage and learn your weapon at 300 yards and so on and so on? Well, a cheaper way to do it would be, yeah, you're right Mark, start shooting with like a 22 at 50 yards. By the time you're working a 22 and 100 yards, you're working the wind like a man who's shooting at 1,000 yards with a .50 caliber. If you have, for instance, if you have that .308, let's say that you're going to, we're going to go with that .308 and that's what we have. If you had little or no time on that weapon, I would start out with a thousand inch range and a simple X piece of paper. Black, horizontal and vertical line, equally dimensioned. You can buy them at the gun shops, you can make them yourself. Make it out of a piece of cardboard, making it white stock, brown stock, whatever you want. But what you do is you take that weapon, especially when you're pulling out of the box, you're going to approximate your zero with that scope to the best of your ability, lining the scope up both for, again, horizontal station with the line. In other words, you're going to have to settle that scope properly. So if you're mounting a new scope, for instance, you're going to want to settle that so that it's as close to zero flat as possible and the 12 o'clock, 6 o'clock mark with the line. Typically, each person has a mental signature about how they Best can do that. Okay? Number one. Then what you're going to do is if you feel confident that you've got that scope pretty well where it needs to be, although again, we're going to compress this. We're going to center that scope, first of all, on the rifle. We've got that done. Now I've got a new shooter. Hasn't had a chance, you or anybody else, hasn't had a chance to shoot this weapon before. You take five rounds. Now, ammunition's expensive. So, you take three rounds. Okay, three rounds for your initial use of the weapon. All basic rules apply. Cheek weld, well, shoulder weld, cheek weld, eye relief, breathing control, trigger control with regard to release. Now what you're focusing really on at this point is that more so than anything else. And to simplify the shooter's orientation, The basic rule at 25 yards is you see the X you've got inside there where you've got that center post. You may have a post, you may have double cross hair top, you know a horizontal and vertical. You may have a T post, which is very common too. There's any number of different combinations. There's an X type where you have a zero circle in the middle. That works. However you look at it, here's what's cool. As a teacher, the only thing the student has to do, or the only thing you have to do to find out what the performance range or the feel of this weapon is, is to put all those hairs, line them up on top of the X you have down range, the T, the cross. Okay? Now, go through all the process, breathe and squeeze, and the weapon should be a surprise to discharge. Now, what I mean by that is we're not jerking the trigger. We're going to do everything we can to keep the weapon en masse, keep it on site. Now, granted, remember, as we pointed out, at 100 yards, 200 yards, and 300 yards, we know what our bullet sweep and drop is. Remember, there is an arc to the way that your bullet travels. U.S. rifle marksmanship and marine marksmanship, no matter what school you go to, they will explain to you that there are different points that you aim on the human silhouette to get the bullet to where you want it to go into the center of mass. Sometimes it's a belt line, sometimes it's a shoulder, and there are places in between. This is determined by estimated range. First of all, we're just going to get the basic feel for the gun and we're going to find out what its point of impact is. Now, we've settled the weapon, we pull the trigger, we focus, we unload the weapon if it's manual, we reload the weapon. Now, we don't pull the weapon away from our shoulder. Here's the basic rule to this. Pivot the gun down. If you are a right handed shooter, the weapon stock should still be touching your shoulder, still be into the groove. You can rest the weapon down. This allows you to breathe and relax the rest of your muscles. Your left hand should rest on your breast. With the weapon still under your control, and with your hand, your right hand, operating the manual action if that's what you're using. If it's a semi-auto, then we don't have this issue. But we can either leave the weapon secured to, however I want you to completely rest. I don't want you to rapid fire with this. I want you to look at your target and evaluate the point of impact. I want you to load again. I want you to bring the weapon up. I want you to rest it. I want you to completely follow through the process of allowing for your skeletal structure to rest on your body. I want perfect shoulder weld, I want perfect cheek weld. I don't want to hear about bruising or bouncing or being surprised about anything because my countenance is one of slow, methodic destruction. I'm going to learn to use this weapon first at a particular speed and I am going to bring the weapon up and I'm going to feel the weapon. I'm going to find out where it's comfortable to rest it in my shoulder. I'm going to identify where my cheek should rest on this weapon combined with eye relief with that scope. Now I will follow this through three times, or five if you have more money and you bought cheaper ammo, then for familiarization it's your choice. If you're short on ammo, then this familiarization phase can be shorter, so three rounds will work. Now after we've fired those three rounds, and we have zeroed on that X, on that X over our crosshairs, we're then going to inspect the target. Now, we're more interested in point of impact. Is it to the lower right, lower left, upper right, upper left? Is it at 3 o'clock? Where is it on the compass? And where is it in orientation to point of impact where it needs to be? In other words, we were on the X, we should be on the X. We may have a variant depending upon the height of that scope, so we may have the point of impact. If you're really good right off the bat, Our point of impact will be just here below the center because obviously if my scope is centered on that X, then the 1.5 to 2 inch variant in height means that my bullet impact should be right below it. Now if you're tack driving and everything went perfect and the world is round and you're a master at whatever you're doing here or by chance you're lucky, then you've got it on the X. Congratulations. If not, and you can see that there is a consistent group, number one, Number two, that group is all placing within the same area. You now have a variant. You now see what your variant is and you adjust your scopes accordingly. You adjust your crosshairs. You will adjust the scope. Now, before you do that, you want to reconfirm how secure your fixture is to the weapon. Because that's one of the variables. First thing is mechanical variable. Confirm that everything you did was done right. Number one. Number two, you should have somebody watching the individual or if you're the trainer you should be observing the individual to ensure that they're following all steps correctly because if the rounds just seem to be flying everywhere, It's a variance in typically the shooter's operation, but will allow for a scope not being properly secured. We'll say that, oh, I thought I tightened down those little hex nuts. Oh, I thought I tightened down that thumb screw. Oops, I guess I didn't. Well, let's do this again, although again, there should be proper inspection. Ensure that all components are snug and secure. Now, once that's done and you've followed that process, if the rounds are stringing at 25 yards, if they're bouncing around the target, that is a shooter issue. And as Don pointed out, one of the other things you can add to this formula is to bag the weapon. Now, what we mean by bag is make up a bunch of small little sandbags, establish the shooting point so that the weapon comfortably rested. You do not want to use shooting bags if you have to crouch down, bend over, arc your back, or twist your body in some way that is a contortion. Why? Because that is misrepresenting your platform. It's creating undue muscle stress. Undo muscle stress in this particular process is going to change the point of impact. It is going to lessen your performance. When you're stressing muscles, guys, what are your muscles doing? What's happening to them? They're working, aren't they? Don, if you're working, aren't you consuming something? Calories, oxygen, oxygen. Now here's the thing, remember in young shooters and new shooters, we see them do this all the time, you tell them how to breathe, and they do. Then they get into the idea, you tell them, okay, hold, bring in that third breath, let out half. Now hold it right there and bring it up and bop, bop, bop, or what happens, here's the thing, they're not used to lining the sights, the weapon's heavy, their musculature is not necessarily developed, so you get a little bit of a wobble. Now that young shooter, he gets on the target initially, if you watch his arms and his hands, you'll see, and this is true with rifle shooters the same way. You'll note that initially they're pretty steady, but then they start to wobble a lot more, and then you realize they're still trying to make up for it, but then you look at their fate, you see they're either getting a little red or a little purple. Why? Because they're still holding that half breath. All of the strain, all of that musculature tension that you are creating to create your platform guys is eating up oxygen. So there is a basic rule and this has to do with when you are controlling the weapon, floating the weapon. And in the process, understanding that you have to get used to working those muscles kind of like you are on a ship. That is the best way to describe it. Your body is moving on a deck. What you have to do is be like a naval gunner and understand that there's a given point where you're going to get basically your best shot. You're going to get used to this. Once you're settled, shoulder weld. I'm doing it right now. I'm shoulder weld, cheek weld, sight alignment. My hand is rested properly. I am not gripping the weapon to the point where I am distorting or torquing the weapon any direction, that AR-15 for instance, or the AK, or the R-SBD sniper rifle. I am breathing and I let part of it out. I have settled on my body and I have to roll. Now I am getting a little muscle twitch here so to speak, or a little muscle tension. I want to settle that. I line up the site. I focus. I am squeezing the trigger and boom! All of this is part of the math formula that is developed through a familiarization with your weapon and then familiarization in the process too with your body. you will feel where the rest is. Now after the 25 yard contact, if you have repeated the process and adjusted your sights, you now have all the bullets because it's bagged. I know that all the rounds are resting on a particular point of impact. Now I can do two things. Me personally, I would go 50 yards. I want the shooter to take another three rounds. Notice I didn't say 5 or 10 or 20. I want the shooter now to gain confidence in center of mass performance. What I do is I take the same X target, I make sure I mark everything up so that it's all covered up and I know I've got new fresh holes to cut, and what I do is 50 yards, I repeat those three rounds in the process again. Now the shooter sees that his weapon is actually performing. If it needs to be tightened up, the instructor corrects the shooter accordingly. Or your spotter adjusts you. Remember this is something that works. The spotter's purpose, if you're a little more experienced for all of you, is to let you know where your point of impact is so you can start focusing on adjustment. Now at 50 yards it shouldn't be much. In fact you're going to pretty well tack drive those three rounds and you're going to go, wow, that's pretty good. Now we're going to go out to the 100 yard range and we're going to show that you're going to have a little different picture and image, but the point of impact is understood. You know that your weapon's performing properly, so now the only reason you have a problem with this gun is because of your learning curve and your understanding of how it functions. Now we're going to take another three or five rounds and we're going to see what we can do at 100 yards. Now to be quite honest, one of the tricks I've used teaching people in this technique is using bowling pins. The bowling pin gives a positive or negative response. If you don't hit the bowling pin, Mr. Bowling Pin doesn't fall. But to see Mr. Bowling Pin fall at 25, 50 and 100 yards is a nice thing. However, the paper target with the X is much more affordable. Bowling pins have become expensive or harder to find. And it also demonstrates for math purposes, gives you the ability to calculate adjustments. So at that 100 yard point is where we are going to get serious about finding out about how your muscle platform is working, how you are adapting to that weapon because again you said it is a .308, it has certain nuances perhaps. You are going to find out again that after you have got it zeroed at 100 yards Again, it's a personal choice thing. I would zero out to 250 with this weapon if it's going into a desert condition because I will zero at 250 or 300. I know that I can reach greater ranges. I can also drop and use the 100 yard zero or go out with Kentucky windage. That's traditionally what I do with fixed power scopes like a 9 power. I'll zero at 100 yards, but then what I do is I intentionally go to a place where I fire, I will use the 200, 300, 400, 500 yard markers I've set up, and I will confirm my guesstimation in elevation and windage accordingly. Windage is estimated based upon wind, obviously, conditions. But elevation is because of, again, my developing or the skill and understanding point of impact. If it's a more sophisticated scope, it has gradient notches above and below and left and right, which allow me to actually change the point of focus so that I don't have to guesstimate up and down the bar. On older scopes, that doesn't exist. So, what you need to do is be able to know that you're going to do some internal mental geometry, or you know, forgive me, mathematics, to work out the geometry so that I can, okay, I need to cross the site there. I need to breathe. This is a 500 yard shot, and 500 yards on my mark, and the spotter's watching, and boom! And the spotter will tell me as I wait. Before I even work the action, move the weapon or anything. If I have the gun settled to my shoulder, I will not leave. I won't move the shoulder. In this case with a long-range shot, guys, the shoulder stock should stay rested into the shoulder. It should be rested because it's seated. And then I work the action manually, slowly, but also deliberately where it needs to be. Work the action back into place of its manual. Re-rest my cheek accordingly and I am in position and my spotter has given me feedback. What am I doing? Where did I hit? I can do this with a high powered scope though too. If I have a varmint scope on a big bore rifle, I can count the freckles, the pimples, and the eyebrow hairs on targets depending upon range. So I can pretty well ID my point of impact. Most of your weapons are not going to have that, but you know what, I was something I did want to bring up down the other day. There are so many Russian scopes out there, guys, that are high powered, varmint scopes that are cheap. You can actually afford to put one of those like we have on an AR-15. It looks kind of strange But I'll tell you what for tack driving point-blank, you know I mean putting it right on the on the same Freckle time after time after time. It's kind of handy and we're gonna in the bullet Yeah, put it shoot the bullet. I think you all think you hit him a second time Oh, trust me. I hit him a second time See how that works. But anyway with the with the advantage of going out to the site You have the ability if they're if they haven't done this yet to promote the guys to do this so that you can actually test your weapons to maximum range and there's no reason not to. So this would be an opportunity. If you're going out I would take the AR-15, I would take it with a... The iron sights obviously intact if you have a pop-up, if you have an A3 type platform or if you have an AK platform, if the iron sights are obscured you might want to be careful about that and ensure that you can unobscure them. The only problem there is that depending on the attachments That may change the point of impact for that platform. So there's where the balance is. As long as you know the iron sights work and you've tested them, you're good there. If they're pop-up iron sights, then make sure that you have a set in your pocket. If you're going to disconnect them and keep them, put them where you know they are always in the same place. We kind of talked about this yesterday. If you're going to disassemble a weapon system where you have spare parts for that site, like batteries, cleaning kits, whatever, they're always in the same pocket. They're always in the same place. If your sites, which are part of your fixtures for the weapon, if you have tools for readjusting or for disassembling these sites, It should be in their own little coffee can or like I'll tell you what works really well for those sites, these little Altoid cans with a little bit of foam in them. They make a little baby pelican can that way or it's a little harder to open up quick. Soak dishes because it's going to seal it, keep it from bouncing around the pocket. You can pack it with tissue paper. Toilet paper's got a nice dab in the field. Oops. But if you use it, then it's going to rattle around. A little piece of foam, whatever you want to do. But the idea is that those sites should be on your person. If I had detachable sites, I would go so far as to go buy. Everybody goes, well they're Airsoft. Buy a second set of cheapy sites. Airsoft sites for your AR-15 will work just fine. Now, are they going to take a whole lot of abuse? No. But if you want a second or a backup set of sites you could carry just in case, better have something to roughly line up with than be golf balling things into the target area. That was my next point for the big bore shooters. Armillite AR-50 has no iron sights. A flat top, where's those sights at? Now, you guys, if you've got glass on a long range gun, it would be good to have, if you don't have another scope, exactly like it. just take off the broken scope, put on the new scope that's been zeroed back to the same condition as the other scope that has just failed. Only here's another one that hasn't failed yet. If you don't have the ability to be redundant with glass on top of your big gun, get the longest rail you can and put iron on it. Now again, the longest rail you can, you guys. Most rails are going to be even if you put the sight at the front. front and back notch aren't going to be as long as the distance between the blade and the notch on a good number of rifles. You know and I know that one of the reasons why a pistol is not so accurate granted the shorter bore is the shorter sight line between the front and the back, easily magnifying any error or disguising. The longer the barrel, the longer the distance between it shows up that little twitch. If you've got again a three .38, .408, .50. You've got his one scope on it and you don't have any flip up. Some of Ronnie's stuff has flip up iron now. Some are Ronnie Barrett stuff, but not all of it. And if the scope fails and you don't have iron to fall back on, as Mark's pointing out, in particular, you guys, there are a lot of people who, they're not going to shoot at 1,000 yards. They're not going to get their .50 out. They're .338, they're .408 without glass on it. Again, they want to shoot the bullet. We've talked about failures in so many different ways and it's Murphy's Law. If it's going to fail, it's going to fail at the worst kind of time, isn't it? One of the things about the area.target system that I've debated with for years is if I'm in an urban setting and I was secret police and I'm confiscating guns and kicking indoors and I don't care. Really, I'm peppering the peasant. That's what the government does. They go out and pepper the peasant. and they kick in doors that you know there's no difference between the US government today and the secret police of the Stasi, the KGB, whatever back in the day. What do they do nowadays? We go into a country, we kick in doors, we ransack houses, people finger people's property, we steal the population's guns after we told them to resist, and then we steal all the stuff that their government has. So nothing has changed with regard to the world over the last couple thousand years. Okay? We're peppering the peasant who's naked or bare butt or has minimal to begin with. He's running around in sandals. He's wearing a long piece of cloth and he doesn't typically have body armor. Most of the philosophies that you see right now that are being promoted are based on the idea of that secret police training allah brought over to the army as we need to be shock troops to beat down on the civilian population because they're not licking our hind end enough so that the kosher mafia can steal more stuff from them. Now, you're dealing with a very different situation. You want to put the secret police force down. You want to get rid of it. It has armor. An area shot is a bit of a problem. Now you're not fighting the bare butt native who is minimally armored, minimally equipped, but might have a pretty decent weapon that could kill you if he actually knew how to use it. If he was trained, if he had the training ability that we right now have, Okay? So for instance, most of the siting systems are based on shoot the peasant or kick in the door and shoot the naked property owner at 3 in the morning in the United States. Now, look at the situation you had with the Bundy standoff in a more realistic perspective and ask yourself, do you want to be more precise in placing your bullet or do you think that area peppering the target is going to truly get the job done? Because most of the dot systems and short systems are based on the idea that I'll just put them in the cone of destruction and kind of spray and pray. Now, there are two things that are an issue there. Number one, even with people who have experience, the adrenaline rush changes the formula a lot. Number one. Number two, The concept of most of this is based on the idea that I can go back to the Striker, the APC, or whatever, and I got 50,000 rounds of ammunition on the roof, and I got 20,000, 100,000 rounds of ammunition inside. We've been walking on the ammo cans all day, and every time we need more, we just open up the ammo cans, and Sugar Daddy provides us with all the ammo. On the other hand, in our situation, take a look at that Bundy standoff that almost went to the next American War for Independence. accuracy fire placed bullets where they need to be would take more of the targets out faster. In fact, the iron sight in reality could probably put a bullet more accurately in place than most of these dot systems will. Because the DOT system is based on the assumption either that boy I get to be between 11 feet and 25 feet and 100 you know not even 100 feet But let's say out to 100 feet, and I'm gonna be able to stay in that target Well, that's not what was going on there guys take a look at the ranges That's where a precision sight or a point specific sight is more valuable. You're reaching farther out You're not shooting at an unarmed peasant. You're shooting at a class A infantryman And remember, if you're a kid at outright, you're a Class A infantryman. So as long as they keep embracing the, you know, shoot the peasant, the naked peasant, you know, weapons system and sighting system, and you switch to precision infantry tactics. In other words, I can hit what I can shoot at at whatever distance and I will hit it and I will hit it where I want to. Then while he's wearing body armor and you're blowing his crotch and his legs out because you could put the bullet there, not just in the general area. Shut that apple. Yeah, that guy, and think about this, every one of those characters, if you had any kind of shot, of course, they do teach them this anyway with light carbine tactics, get under the roof, get under the side of a car, look through the coals in the corners. look real it's really cool the research nobody thought of all these are things people been doing for years and of course the idea is to give you the experience what we were talking about doing when you get out there to the desert you're not in a you know motocross slash urban environment shooting across you know through the basketball court chasing guy into the parking lot fighting for the next uh... apartment complex you know i point blank range you're not doing that You're now in a real American battlefield and because of this your technology you need to change out and change out so that the bad guys don't get equity. I don't want my enemy to have equity. I want superiority. See how that works? I think that's the most important thing to emphasize because we got this discussion forever. It's like, yeah, okay. When we were in Vietnam, we were fighting a guy that was 100 pounds soaking wet. He had no body armor. He was wearing sandals. He had black pajamas, which looked cool, but that's only because the black pajama things seem to be the popular wear for the day in general anyway, right? That's why everybody just had a policy. Well, we'll just cut free fire zones and shoot everybody because we can claim they're all the enemy. Well, RYSATs don't offer a whole lot of protection from bullets, right? So a 55 grain bullet on a 100 pound aggressor works just fine. However, we might point out that everybody was scared to death of the Nung with a .30-06 rifle. Not so much were they fearful to attack the guys with the M16s. And that's a fact from historically from the guys who were on the ground, Vietnamese had a great deal of respect for big guns. So big guns kind of came in handy. But they also of course could reach farther. Now the argument is, well, but they swarm you like ants and get really close. True. If they could if you if you worked if you actually were you know staying focused and if the rifle marksmanship issue had been promoted or Sustained and then you know first of all, you know maintained and then sustained proper order there Then we would have seen a very different formula and for many units we did many units did not drop the idea You know the hip fire thing. I remember that was even put in the news The Army has changed his policy to hip fire, you know, where he spray and pray Well, that's under the idea that I can run back to the APC or I'll have a big pile of sugar daddy ammo waiting for me. We don't have that and even if we did, I'll repeat again. He who starts thinking conservatively and intelligently from the get-go is going to win both in the short term and the long run. Now the other thing, look at those, imagine again, don't forget that the guys that were fighting, this is where a combined arms team, the AR has an advantage in several areas including volume fires, we know it is an assault rifle class weapon, but yours is not because yours is semi-auto, yours is a light rifle, but Having combined arms teams in place, heavy riflemen with placement shooters with the ability to reach to their maximum range, consider when you looked at those trucks, imagine those OTS-6s going off and like Bambi, say capping a hip or hitting a leg. What happens to Bambi when you hit some a Bambi at say 300 and 400 yards or even 100 yards with a 30-06 with 180 grain soft point bullet guys what happens a lot of times they fall right down Yeah, cuz the leg does what? Falls right off. Okay, so that went off the bat. Which do you think is more, shall we say, devastating psychologically? 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And Hal and Jeff and Bob aren't real excited about getting to it because you see, they're too busy spraying and praying with the sites that, you know, again, are designed to shoot, you know, an area target. But their area targets are 3 and 4 and 500 yards away, guys. Wait a minute, look at the ranges that you were dealing with there and the guys that were up on those ridges, a lot of them were not carrying two to three weapons. A lot of those guys were carrying the rifle that kills mule deer every day. Or well, every day during the season, if there is one. Or wild pig whenever they want to because it's open season. Or them groundhogs. That's right. Prairie, gophers. See, the whole thing is, you know, this is where again you have to remember that because it's cool or it is a style or it's the, you know, people, well this is the standard four. Remember, when we were going, when we're going to Iraq, we're not going to fight infantry, we're going to hassle the population. It's a secret policeman's gun. That's why the M4 is so big because it's a shock trooper slash secret police, interior police, KGB kind of weapon. But in reality when you face off against a more heavily armed, say, battlefield force that is equally motivated, equally equipped, and equally trained, range is going to make the difference because you can see farther than you can shoot. Look at it this way. If they try to run, what's that motto that I've always put out on the air? There ain't no sense in running. I will. I'll shoot you in the back in a heartbeat. Why? Because I learned from Waco. Every one of those buggers, they would all die in place. They would die trying to get away. I don't care how you kill them, but you kill them all. See, that's the whole point. That's the one thing that, like many things we've talked about on the air here, that we've learned, guys. We learned later that the Branch Davidians won the day but didn't know it. The first day was a day of victory for the Branch Davidians, but they didn't know it because they couldn't wrap their brain. First of all, they understood they could be attacked and then they were attacked. Then they understood they knew that they might have to defend themselves and then they actually had to defend themselves. When they did defend themselves, grandmas, grandpas, women with children and a handful of fighting age men because the the savages picked that time of day to attack with a minimal number of men available to defend the outpost. They were the classic barbarian savages and they were all pumped up. They were going to raid Kill Pillage and Burn and the grandpas and grandmas and the women and a handful of men beat down a combat infantry company supported by helicopters. They didn't know it, but there were only 42 rounds left between the whole skank and bunch. They could not even effectively commit suicide. Think about it. There were more of them alive than there were bullets available to blow their own brains out. They had to put two heads side by side and hope that the bullet hit one pea and then the other pea because there ain't much gray matter in a bat faggot to begin with. They're all dumplings, a box of rocks. See? So, perspective here on this, guys, again, what you're looking at is we're not the secret police. So how should we be arming ourselves? We are precise militiamen, notorious for rifle marksmanship at extreme range. The history of the American militiamen is a history of accuracy over volume fire. Now, mostly it's because we were poor. That's why we had turkey shoots, guys. Why do you think we had turkey shoots? And you know what was motivating is that usually it was something really nice which got you not only to get there in the first place and you know you wanted to you learn to minimize your shots because you knew you might not get another one off before you had to go to the tomahawk. Okay number one. But let's say that you did you focused on that well you also were motivated because you might get a better weapon at the end of that turkey shoot. Because that was most commonly what was offered at a turkey shoot. Kind of like with bow and arrow competitions. You know, we got some really cool prizes here. Either money to go buy a better bow or a better weapon. Or, you know, again, typically it was, see this here, rifle, Pennsylvania gun. This is the prize today at our turkey shoot. I told you it would be a surprise and it is. And everybody look at that gun and go, oh, I could kill something a whole lot farther out with that thing. and everybody would scrunch down and get more motivated. But remember, turkey shoots weren't for the fun of it. Turkey shoots were motivated by the militia to focus on training. And you can use any tool you want to get your people to train. See how that is? So turkey shoots were not just for fun. There were many different overlapping reasons for implementing them. Just like everything else in an age when you didn't have a whole lot of everything in the way of manufactured goods. Everything was used until it was broken or worn out and then you figured out how to use it for something else. No internet games? Yeah, no internet games. Life was real. No television? Life was real. Well you did, you had the panorama of life, okay? And death if you were really stupid and really weren't paying attention to your environment. Oh, he caught an arrow. Yeah, he got it with his head, sir. I don't think he's getting back up. He had a turkey feather on. Yeah. So, again, it's a matter of, again, looking at your golf bag, you're going to get a chance to actually take it. There is, I don't think such a thing is too much. The only consideration is if you're traveling out there, guys, how much room do you have? How much material do you have to take? I would recommend that if you're going to get together with guys to go out, get a rental van. Get yourself you if you most people don't think this way if you lease a van for a longer period of time You can get them for a lot cheaper a bare-bones utility work van how much junk can I pile up in that? I can lay a cop down in the back of a mattress down the back and one guy can sleep two or three guys can ride I would again get the cheapest thing that will do it that will sip gasoline and I would load that with everything I can and whatever it is other than my prized weapons, my personal equipment and my combat load, along with my backpack, everything else you should plan on leaving it. Seriously, anything else you can leave and if you can even leave a few boxes of ammo, I guarantee it would be appreciated. You don't have to leave a case, but if everybody left and let's say, well, we've got to have an ammo can for a donation. For what? Well, everybody here is going to drop 20 rounds of 2-2-3 in that can or whatever they got. See, nobody has talked about that yet, but everybody is talking about building up a garrison. And, granted, you guys all are pretty well outfitting yourself and equipping yourself as militia. We have always done that. But let's start thinking with regard to the benefit of the whole. There was a question yesterday about, well, what about these guys in the military coming back? Well, whoever comes back, they're going to have a problem possibly having to fight. And I won't say that they're going to have a great time no matter who it is that's there when it happens, but you need to be prepared and thinking this way. Well, for all of your brothers in arms, you need to do the best you can by them. And the way to do that is to support them even when you're not there logistically. It's symbolic. This whole thing is symbolism. You want to build up S-Free Decor. You want to be proud of what you're doing. I am. I'm proud that these people have done what they've done. We all know that there are people who are at the right place. Even people who may have buggered out later, still they were in the right place at the right time and they did their job. When the cows came home, kids, they got the property back, which is very rare, but they got the property back. That's a victory for all of you. Anyway, Don, your number for night vision, please. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Ooh-rah, kick him to the slats, beat him not hard, don't let him get back up. We're going to be back in just a little bit. Don your number for night vision and close us, please. Dad, number is 2317968458. 2317968458. Thank you Mark, God bless you. God bless America.