May 14, 2014
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1h 8m
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2014
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Mark Koernke discussed tactical preparedness and militia organization at the Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada, covering weapons systems (1911 pistols, AR-15s, long-range rifles), night vision technology, communications infrastructure, medical support protocols, and logistics. He emphasized the need for more personnel deployment, proper training overlap, and serious commitment to the operation, while addressing concerns about command structure, engagement ranges, and historical military lessons from World War II. The show included caller contributions on rifle marksmanship, signal communications, and maintaining offensive initiative after defensive victories.
- bundy ranch
- nevada standoff
- militia
- weapons wednesday
- 1911 pistol
- ar-15
- night vision
- long-range rifle
- tactical deployment
- blm
- homeland security
- preparedness
- communications
- marksmanship
- desert warfare
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Thanks for listening to Live 365. Our valued supporters know us well for our large selection of musical genres at the click of a mouse. But did you know you can now take the music with you on your smartphone? Learn more at Live365.com slash smartphone. Live 365. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three cornered hat and speaking low to me he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations this legacy we gave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught. according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch him tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free? Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intelligence report. I'm our quirky one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, central, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on... libertytreeradio.4mg.com, we are on indianafreedomtalkradio.com, we are on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and ultra net technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We are on the hallmark network from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida, from the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, hoping to Wyoming to include both 3rd and 5th pit along with the nine sisters Colorado, the recall state, waving to our coast, we have the great state of Jefferson, a lot of other friends there, waving to them we say thumbs up, keep up the good work and continue to be a beacon of liberty in an otherwise dark piece of real estate with regard to being surrounded by enemy combatants. Back to the east we sweep across the plains over the Mississippi and Atlanta the Smokies. For the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Mount Belk Grandma Consortium bringing us the Golden Spike. I think you can get down there with us. Yes we do. And Don, what is the day today sir? What's it like up in your neck of the woods? What's jumping off the wall? Well Mark, today is the 14th day of May. We're two weeks into May. Solid. 14th day of May. Year of our Lord, 2014, and that's a strike down the middle of the lake. Beautiful day it was. It rained. had some sunshine and all of those other things that happened in Michigan in the springtime, but it is a stripe down the middle of the week. So hey, with magazine in one hand and trusty 1911 in the other, I have to pause and say, God bless John Moses Browning. And then we introduce the magazine to the magazine. Well, that slide release, and man, I got one in the chamber now, and we can tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure. And there's plenty more where that came from while I top off this magazine. And that means we can offer equal opportunity course of force. 1911, excellent choice. Recommending it to some other people who are looking for hand cannons right now because lots of ammo, lots of mags. If you need additional brass cases to load guys, Don't throw away any of your crushed or damaged 30 out 6 and 308 cases or 8mm cases. If they're busted at the throat, you cut them down to 45 ACP, ream out the brass, run the brass through a 45 die, and you've got yourself a really hearty 1911 case there that will run like, well actually, submachine gun grade. So just something to think about there. Oh, you mean you can make brass from other brass? Yes, you can. And this is a way to breathe life into otherwise tired brass. Most OTSIX .308 and heavy rifles don't so much split at the base if they do, that's a chambering issue. Typically where failure takes place is up towards the neck and the throat. And that's because the brass becomes tired and brittle in that area because the brass is thinner. So, to make 1911 cases, slash 45 cases, 45 ACP, for that matter you can make 44 automag or 45 automag out of rifle cases. By the way, a little hint, that's where they came from. Originally, 44 automag and 45 automag were both wildcat loads purely based on cutting rifle cases down to the proper length and the weapons that the cases were built and chambered to were originally 1911 barrels that were part of the prototyping. They simply created a deeper chamber and went with the existing 5 inch and 7 inch long slide barrels to do all of the R&D. What do you think about that? See, so real simple solutions coming up with really great ideas. See how that works? Anyway, here we are. It is Weapons Wednesday. We were talking about AR-15. Of course, we have been talking about the battlefield developments, not just in Nevada, but what will be happening or escalating quickly if they decide to do a... everybody goes, it's going to be a wake up. No, it's not. It is not because here's the problem. If it's going to be a Waco situation, remember the first day at Waco was a day of victory for the Branch Davidians. All they had to do was absorb the first blows. After that, just continue dumping rounds until you destroy everything in front of you. Had they done that, the battlefield would have been theirs, all of the evidence would have been theirs, the world would have been in a very different place. See how that works? So again, remember, once you've taken the field, you keep the field. Once you've taken the moment, you initiate and extend it. Understanding that counter-attack can come anywhere from 15 seconds to 15 minutes. Actually, they say 30 seconds to 30 minutes was the traditional. The idea behind this is to be prepared for it. We are not in the blank. We are not in a void. We are not totally in question anymore about what is going on. We know what the bad guys are up to. So there is no doubt in anybody's mind how this is going to work out as far as if they decide to plug their BSN. We just need to be prepared for it. We are in the defensive. They try to strike and after that sky is the limit. Everything is up for grabs. It is that simple. So, we need to be prepared accordingly. That means everybody needs to man up. Take what you're doing seriously. Hell of a hobby. Great way to turn it into a serious life endeavor very quickly and you've got the right tools in the toolbox for it. See how that works? One thing about this, individual. This is why we've talked about you being individually prepared and remember we don't have any limitations or table of authorized equipment or any nonsense like that. It's not how it works for us guys. So we have everything that we need in place throughout the system to get the job done. We just need everybody to make the effort, plug in accordingly, and we'll send the message back to the enemy when the time comes. Anybody who knows how that works. Anyway, as it stands, and I see a couple problems here, so I've got to get a A couple of other things I wanted to get out. Number one is I asked for a recon from the other end here on the address. As far as I know, we spent, like I said, almost two days nonstop with something that should have been very precise, very concise, and very simple. That needs to be again a reminder of why we need focus on the ground at the field end. The secret squirrel in some areas doesn't work and really isn't necessary. It's not like the bad guys don't know what location you're at. You know what I mean? think they might have done their homework? I'll bet you they have. So what you're doing is hindering support or material support or logistics in some cases. So just something to think about there. Another thing is again, we need boots on the ground. You want to actually become part of what is truly a shaping of American history. You need to be deploying people at the Bundy Ranch. We've had a lot of people that have come and gone, they've been alive, they're breathing, they were able to get the job done. We need more bodies to do the same thing. Get in there, do the job, get on home. But if everybody does that, again, it is most likely, in fact, well let's put it this way, least likely the bad guys are going to want to, shall we say, hit that switch. It's that simple. Now, do I think they're going to do something? Well, you tell me. They've already threatened over and over again. And these are the most arrogant threats we have ever seen. Where it's like they all been doing the barking poodle routine, Connecticut, New York, whatever. Based on the idea they're going to find some other whore mercenaries, knuckle dragging, roided up, little short necked, tiny weenie pieces of trash. You know, that really they didn't care who they were working for. Down the road they'll blow their own brains out because they'll even hate themselves enough that they can't stand looking in the mirror. But in the meantime they can do a lot of damage if we don't damage them first. Do them hard when they come in. So, you all need to be thinking that way. And we all need to be prepared for that. We need to be trained to do that. We need to be developing our skills. Now, part of the process is a deployment of this type. And when you do get there, we take a level of not professionalism, but militia-ism with us. A militia in and of itself is a unique mechanism. It is something that we possess, we own. It is our property. It is part of our heritage. Now, we need to make sure we reinforce that and we build on that, guys. That's why we have Weapons Wednesday to get the marshal component in place. It doesn't mean that all the rest don't support, or the other elements don't support, what we're talking about here. Because they do. Signal communications, logistics with regard to food, transportation, water storage, all the other things are part of the combined arms team to keep us either alive or to defend us. Oh wait a minute, and that still is designed to keep us alive because our defense is especially critical. Weapons are at the center of the weak. That's right, for a reason. One of the things we were talking about here earlier and before we go any further, Don is night vision technology. You don't have to go to Nevada to need that. You're going to need that all over the country. Bottom line. A couple things. I was hoping to get a piece to Don here that was one of these Polish night vision devices, but unfortunately everybody scarfed him up. They were Generation Zero IR. But in good shape they require illumination, but they are cool if you have illumination in passive locations Yes, they're all gone Everybody bought them up as quick as they saw them as soon as people start to see that they were on the page they were gone there I are but if you combine IR starlight gen 1 2 & 3 and Thermal any piece of equipment you can field helps to help helps to do balance out the battlefield. At the very least, generation zero, the devices that have to depend on an emitter would be good for the brigands, would be good for those who are not military armed up. Or in fixed positions where we already are then given, we're known, and it offers us the ability to take time off of our starlight technology too. We are already illuminating the areas. One of the things I pointed out was deployment of IR LEDs solar powered along member of the perimeters and in certain locations. It's kind of interesting because I can send a fun message because it's obvious that well you can't see without night vision so what does that tell you? See how that works? Well one good indicator is when they start when the light start to be attacked Much like a searchlight on a World War I battlefield would be, take it out. Right. And again, disassociate it from your position so that if something happens, it actually is an expenditure on their part that is nothing more than a flare. Yes, it makes you aware. It doesn't work too. Right, but it does, it's a tripwire. Yes. Well, we've got a whole bunch of these winking out in this quadrant. Okay, well you keep an eye on that, 180 degrees in the other direction, be prepared. What? Well, we are supposed to be stupid, so let's just pay attention to the whole of the environment. But remember, while we are looking this way, the rest of you are looking that way and doing your job, right? Yes. See guys, we understand the concept. We understand the premise for certain applications, deception in all directions, faints within faints within faints within faints. And sometimes just plain awkward direct action. Always remember that. So that's why you still need to be prepared to your front. But remember, when that happens, we don't have everybody ogling an area. Each person has their area of control. Always remember that. This is tough to do. There's all kinds of exciting things going over there. I want to see what they're doing to Harry. Well, Harry's just fine. Harry's doing his job. But you better stay focused to your front because that distraction over there means that you may not be paying attention to the person that's trying to kill you over here. Right. See how that works, guys? So again, it doesn't mean that that isn't serious for Harry and Frank and Bill and Bob. But you've got something to worry about too. An area of control that you were given responsibility over. Now are you maintaining control over it? Are you being observant? Are you prepared to defend it? Basically the action you've just described, Marcus. Harry's got your back. He's depending on you to watch it. Exactly. That's how we need to be thinking. Now... Again, I got into the different sites, explained to everybody, we have hopefully the wind generator in motion for transport. Guys, I will say this again, on the air so it's covered in so many different directions, the entire generator should go and you guys need to pay to ship it. Our person who donates it already footed a big bill to take care of covering it. Now, what you can do is honor him properly, not by being cherry pickish and selecting, take the whole thing. There's two reasons for this. Number one, it keeps the whole system together rather than it strung out over the country, number one. Number two is if I have something down there to work with, see, I can improvise, adapt, and overcome. I can do certain things to enhance or to make something work, but I can't do it with sand. I can improvise, adapt, and overcome. I can change systems out. I can improve and modify if I have something to work with. So we want to keep the whole of that system together. For our people that are listening, we want that whole system moved over to the Bundy's. It's already in motion to try and get it done. I know that everything is broken down. I've already talked to the owner. That needs to be shot out there completely because while they may not be able to use it for everything that you're doing there with the one system, let me give you a little hint. I need those fans for something else that we can build on site. I don't care, it's not going to be relevant to my operation with what I do with it with regard to making it to produce yet more wind power even though it's supposed to be a low or mid power fan. That's not relevant to me. I know what to do with it, but we need the material down there so that we can build it. See how that works? The other part, if you guys can adapt another system, it will all work together because it's made from parts of because you can get the parts from different points. Fantastic. But the whole system, guys, and pass this on. Talk amongst yourselves. Mark does not need to be the middleman on this. You've got all kinds of adults out there. We'll get it done as quick as we can, but do it in its entirety. The whole system needs to go southwest. Not just one part of it. The whole system. And that means that you guys need to foot the bill to get it going from up there where it is in the north, down to Nevada. OK? Another thing here real quick is again was pointed out. We were talking about radios yesterday, but I want to overlap with something on this FM radio, AM radio, VHF, UHF. Guys, we can use everything and it would be a good idea to have a little bit of everything on site. Now there's a couple things I want to remind you of. Transportation should be able to talk to infantry operations. Infantry operations need to talk to medical support. especially since again, transport and medical usually be cooperating in the event you have injured personnel. For whatever reason, it does not have to be a firefight. I have seen many people injured by stumbling out of the back end of a truck. So many, it's too numerous to mention. Over and over again is simply common sense and people energized or excited or tired and fatigued. One leg gets stuck in the right place, the other leg goes in the wrong place. You've either got a broken ankle, broken leg or somebody stumbling out of the arse end of a vehicle and smacking their head on something. Any number of normal accidents that happen all across this country every day will, or let's put it this way, can happen, although if we pay attention and keep people functional, shouldn't be happening over and over again. It's not like you're in the movie Platoon where everything that happened to every stinking man in Vietnam happened to one 30 man platoon. Every possible wrong thing that could happen that never happened that way happened in that extra long version that was director's cut. Well, it doesn't happen that way, but we do have dental injuries, head injuries, boo-boos, cuts, you name it. We have to establish a policy and a step-by-step process that is efficient and it is not time-consuming. It needs to be very straightforward. Evacuate the patient, take the patient to the aid station and determine the level of injury. decide whether or not transportation off-site is best choice. If it can be dealt with on-site, again, everybody that would normally participate in a more traumatic case should be participant in every action to gain experience. Remember, you are possibly going to be dealing with real combat casualties. You don't fake it. Everybody needs to start practicing it, doing their job now. Don't listen to the naysayers, the idiots, the incompetence, and those who really, really, really are going to get you killed by getting you to drag your feet now because they're lazy now. Just remember that. Follow through. We must complete each task. Follow through as if it were. This gives your people the opportunity to integrate and work as a team in transportation, in signal communications, medical support, even in quarter bastard. Okay, and all the rest. We can go right down these different positions that need to be filled, need to be maintained. Supply and support and also again, mess facilities. I've seen what they've got for a kitchen situation. They're making it work, but I know we could do better. There's no reason for it not to be better provided for on the ground. I've talked about it, but we need to get people with a fire under their arse and motivated. Shelving. We need everything actually canned and boxed so that it is kept out of the environment. Again, shipping containers, square Oh, come on, square five-gallon pails would work really well. Taking up minimal space, mark the outside of the container, store the subsuits out of the weather, it will preserve it. Also again, the objective to have cooling systems there are good and refrigeration systems, which they are working on by what I understand. But that's just half of it. We need a more efficient system and we need to be able to reuse rather than throw away. Wherever possible, we need to actually have a real mess hall set up with a real kitchen operation going. They've got good stock pots and things like that. They are set up to feed a light army, but there are things that can be done better and then we can provide for them. We're going to drag along everything we can, but guys, you all need to start thinking about this as a serious project. If just a few people stepped in, we were doing the two hour block, one of our people stepped forward and had a water tank. If we can't get one big one, how about three smaller ones? Everything we do like this changes the dynamic. Everything. We don't have to spend new. We don't have to have brand new. If we can make it look darn good, and we can do a good job with it, we can make it work. But we've got to have the tools. We've got to have the resources on the ground. They need to be there. Battlefield range and range finding. Another thing we haven't really talked about, guys, there are laser range finders out there. They're actually quite reasonably priced. You can spend any kind of money you want on them, big and small, just like firearms, cars, and radios. So it's purely a matter of, if you're thinking about deploying, this is a chance for you to test some of that technology also, so you get a better understanding of how well does it work at maximum range. Now, one of the nice things about controlling an environment before or way in advance is that you get to place an ID range and distance. You can experiment with equipment. Just like we said, okay, you take that Model 70, 30-06 with you, and you've usually shot deer like Don, like you said, 40 yards to maybe a couple hundred yards. Well, out there, you get a chance to actually see what that rifle can do. Well, I suggest you do it. It's not uncommon. We're talking barren wasteland out in the middle of BFE. This literally is out in the middle of BFE. It's as close to being there as you can imagine. So you've got lots of opportunity to find out what are your abilities. What can you do given the opportunity? So let's test ourselves to the extreme. It wouldn't hurt even to deploy flags at distance. Those that know what they are doing, if Well, here's one thing. If the other side goes out and knocks down all your flags, you should probably be really, really ready that day. Yep, exactly. If things start to just knock over when you already know they're secured, something's going on. Right, no. You can get commercial lasers that'll pay them 400 yards, you know, 600 yards, 800 yards, 1,000 yards. You guys with them, Lapua's them 338, them 408, Chi-Tex, them 50. Now you're just starting to get into your work in range, aren't you? That's when most of the lasers quit. And, you know, I'll steal some words from my partner here, Mark my words. They will go long range on this if this heats up, you'll have standoff people. We've talked about aggressive patrolling, haven't we? Now with that in mind, you might need to start ranging particular places with purely opt devices. that way. They don't get nervous about men. They put a laser over here and they know we're 840 yards away, give or take a yard according to the laser manufacturer. But when you do things optically with the Swiss device or other devices that range optically, you line up the images, you read it out and you know how far away it is, they do not know that that has been ranged. So they tend to be a little more sloppy. You know, if they keep their head up a little longer. You know what I mean? Just one thought there. But you guys were going to be dealing with ranges that are generally beyond most of the, even the big lasers in some instances. And it might not be just, well, hey, there will be a lot of people right up in your face, no question about it. There will be people at 40 and 70 in the aforementioned 400 yards. But when, you know, We've touched on this a number of times. There are people who have gone to the 50 caliber championships and the 50 caliber shoots and all they do is shoot at 200 to get a zero on the gun or 100 if they have to and then 1,000 yards. They've never squeezed one off at 650 yard target or 1,240 yard target, never. They've never shot a motor block. They've never shot a car in the junkyard because their friend said, yeah, I can. or go ahead Don I want to see what it does too. They pigeon hole themselves in and those are the guys that are going to be waiting or backing up or moving forward to find that 100 yard range or 100 that 1000 yard range so they don't miss. Mark Don. Don, especially has the right idea, but remember that you have men out there who hunt mule deer on that terrain or down towards Arizona or up towards Idaho and Montana. Guys, you side up with a person that's already been doing this. You can walk through it with him and talk through it with him and gain from the experience of somebody who does shoot mule deer at six to eight hundred yards. And that is, as you will soon find out, that kind of shot out there is not only possible, but is common. Every day. You've got to. Look at the distances. There are people that shoot coyotes at that. Oh yes. Yeah, in fact, that's where you get. We can press her out to a thousand with a coyote. We'll just be happy to hit him, hopefully where we want to, but as long as we hit him, chances are his buddies will lead him. Always remember that one. Anyway, we have George there. George, jump in there, please. What do you have? You know, the thing is, I went through a BRM training. I kind of noticed that people who were brought up with guns all their lives and people who didn't hire a gun, the people who have fired a gun that learned the army way were better shooters than the ones who were brought up with guns for their lives. That's a gimme George. That's like the wing shooter. The guy who's a good shotgun shooter was a better fighter pilot in World War II. That's a gimme. If you've been around it all your life generally you're going to be better at it unless you come to disdain it. Unless you've been shoveled down your throat to the point you try to ignore it like some people who go to Catholic school or other examples. Right? Am I right? Okay. Who has a better rifle trade than the Marines of the Army? The Marines do a difficult thing. If you're in the Army, it's the Army. If you're in the Marines, it's the Marines. They both have their own school. For the longest time, both services have had their own rifle marksmanship philosophy. The basics are pretty much the same, but in both areas, both the Army and the Marine Corps have their own theory about site application. and specifically site design for site application. And because of this, for the longest time, and even today, you need to observe and pay attention to specialized weapon systems. The Marine Corps contracts its own system. In many cases it is Marine Corps specific. It is not as much of a problem today with the M16A1, A2 and A3 weapons. You want to call it the M4 Car 15. The M4, the setting system has pretty much stuck together with regard to the basics. But if you are working with any other American weapons system, understand that there are Marine variants. There are army variants and you need to familiarize yourself with both because there are differences in the signature construction and also the application of the site. This is true of the 1917 Enfield, 1903 Springfield, even with the M1 Garand, although remember the Marines did not even have the M1 Garand. While the US Army had the M1 Garand, the Marines initially planned on sticking with the Johnson rifle. It was only for, again, consolidation of manufacturing and because of increase in production that the US Marine Corps got the Garand at all. Otherwise, they would have been on the Johnson rifle and the Johnson light machine gun through the war. But an argument through the War Department for mutual services consolidation of primary weapon systems is why the Grand came about. But there are still marine variants in all of the sniper XM models both for the Marine Corps and for the Army through World War II. So, again, each weapon system, browning machine guns the same way. Now, the basic sites have to be the same because Point of Impact doesn't change from one-06 weapon to the next in terms of the ballistics of the cartridge. It was a standard M1903 or the standard M2. But the performance, the choice in performance and how you train the individuals was very different between the Army and the Marine Corps in several areas. Go ahead. They're both good. Let's put it this way. I think they both were doing a fine job of putting a whole lot of Japanese soldiers down in World War II or Germans or Koreans or Vietnamese, depending on what it was. I hear Marine riflemen, they can shoot an M16 at a farther range than the Army at 300 yards. Well, we were training out to 475 yards. That target configuration was brought back down to 350. for qualification, but it was an overlap because originally we were working with the M14. The Marines, they simply expect everybody to be a rifleman to begin with and again they have a different policy with regard to engagement ranges or at least to develop the basic skills. However, most of their common training still drops them right back down into the 220 yard mark. That has been the magic number that everybody has been conditioned to since the light rifle category of trainers became dominant over the MBR rifles. And everybody said, you're not going to use the long range shot as often. No, no you won't. But you know what? All critical battles that were won were run with one, especially example being the Battle of the Bulge and every other critical hard pressed action. It was acknowledged that it was long range accuracy, accurate rifle fire that dominated and changed the dynamic of the battlefield. Period. Bombs and everything else were pretty much the same. It was that rifleman with the M1 Garand, a sniper grade rifle in the hands of the infantryman, that changed the dynamic because of the ability to reach farther. Rather than dropping down. Well, it's only a 220 yard range. Well, if you look at numbers here, the way they came up with that is where you mix the numbers up by incorporating the demographic information of the Thompson. the M3 Grease Gun, the M1 Carbine, and then you throw into the mix the M1 Garand and the 1903 Springfield. Well, there's a dramatic difference in normal engagement range with those three basic weapons families, submachine gun, carbine, and rifle. And that's how they mishmished everything up. Well, of course a man with a carbine is going to be taking 600 yard shots. On the other hand, those men that were engaging with those Hot Sixes, again, were putting people to ground sooner. Something that we talked about in the earlier hours. It changed completely the concept of engagement and fire maneuver with regard to what would have been closer order contact. It put it at greater ranges. In fact, the one thing that really messed up the Germans in that respect Remember, a German infantry company could typically handle a Russian battalion. Most people when they see World War II Russian front battlefield numbers, they don't understand the disproportionate strengths of the two units. Easily, a German unit would be engaging anywhere from, if it was a company, it would be engaging anywhere from twice to five times its strength and repeatedly defeating the Russian force. Now, why? Well, the Russians adopted the assault concept early on with a submachine gun. You see all the troops carrying those Peppish submachine guns, and they did have a main battle rifle, the Nagat, which we've all been buying. But if you notice, in most of the offensive assault situations, the light submachine gun, or the, again, volume fire, 7.62 Tokarev cartridge submachine gun, the Peppish, was considered to be a close-in volume fire assault weapon. The problem is that the Germans focused on long-range rifle marksmanship. In fact, they focused on accuracy with all of their weapons. Their victories were repeated over and over again on the Eastern Front. The variance in what changed on the Western Front was our application of the M1 Garand in similar form with little greater fire power on the battlefield against the German force of, you know, again, typically lesser strength, which still could quite effectively handle a regular American formation twice its strength for lack of experience. That changed as the fighting forces were decimated through the later parts of the war. Again, philosophy applied if it was maintained without a few mistakes being made. The outcome of World War II, even early on, would have been very different. The Germans had the right idea. They just did not embrace mass centralized production and consistency until the advent of Albert Speer. When he finally came on the scene, he eliminated all the lesser competing systems and cronyism. and completely altered the manufacturing potential of Germany's actual output. That's where they came back online and why the war lasted longer. In reality, if we hadn't killed the German Armaments Minister in charge, Speer wouldn't have been in charge and the war would have ended probably a year sooner. Mark, you know the thing is, we have an ex-German soldier, I ain't going to call him a Nazi soldier, he's a good man. But he told me when he was in Volgograd, the Battle of Stalingrad, he said the Russians killed more of their own people than they did. Oh, that's true of all of the Russian front. Most of the casualties of the early stage of the war, we're going to see the same thing here. People are going, well I hope the American troops side with the American people. Well, I kind of addressed that in the Battle for the Republic series with the whole idea that let's say they bring American troops back. Anybody who's got family inside a military compound, the Jewish commissars will take the families hostage. What they will do is they will try to drive using secret police like Homeland Security. They will try to use the secret police like Homeland Security just like the Commissars use their Interior Police against the regular army in Russia. The pattern is all there. Everything is ready to go. Let me give you another example of this. Remember last year, well no, it's been two years now, you had the FTX where they had Homeland Security jackasses with Boy Scouts. They were telling the Boy Scouts that they were giving them MP5s and they were giving them Glocks and they were telling them that they needed to help put down the veterans slash the military people. Well, they're looking for small-brained peons to fill in the front sandbag rank and file against the Patriot Military, the US military. That's bomber used now. That's why the pigs were doing that. That's why that filth in New York was doing that. You've got to figure that. It's all Jewish mob. This is the same thing they did in communist Russia. Same Jewish skanks, a different day. What they had, all the commissars in the early stages of World War II when the Russian generals were forward. The only reason Russia failed as badly as it did is because these ineffective Jewish commissar gods shot the generals in charge or had them commit suicide and then it would no common sense or any experience or capability to command took over and lost millions of men. Literally. Now that's the part you never see about World War II. All those Russians, they were so tough, they couldn't... No, the Russians were a complete communist failure. What happened is eventually the commissars. In fact, that's the one thing about the movie Enemy at the Gate that kind of comes out where, oh, the Jewish commissars finally figure out they gotta take their hands off the reins a little bit, because they gotta let the Goyem horses do all the work. Hey Mark, you see how that works? And the same is true of what's going to happen here. Go ahead, callers, you've been there. Ah, yes, right in Florida. Just a couple of points, I don't know if there's time, but just on this thing with what you're talking about on the Eastern Front is that one of the great things, and it's something you emphasize also on the Intel report, is that it determines that much greater signal communications and coordination between land and air. This was a big reason, from what I read, why the Germans were so much more effective. They were able to adapt signal communications more effectively and sooner. They were able to get radio rigs out to their units all the way down to the small unit level. Yes, they could talk to each other. They could work with each other. The coordination was far superior to what the Russians were doing. One other thing if there's time is... I know it's getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, probably as far as the Bundy-Rance situation or in general. But I was wondering if any thought was given to, in the event of beating back the scumbags, the letters, how to maintain the initiative and how to move forward instead of retreating back to a kind of a static position. Well, I'll address that because that is something we've been talking about and I've been trying to explain to the guys out there. Step one is we need to establish again a series of resources in place but they have to be done quickly. We could have had a lot of this done and I'm going to rub this in guys. We had hundreds of people there. We should have broken out the tools and they just said, you know what, we're going to have some fun. Let's go have some fun and show the bad guys who's boss and fix this. And everybody would have done it at the end, they'd have washed up and they'd have had a great meal and they'd have felt like they needed to eat and they'd actually rested that day and known they'd done something. You know what I mean? Now, we have to have certain things established in order for us to put a mobility combat group on the ground. Number one, fast attack vehicles are still your best choice. For the reason that number one, they're throw away, they're fast. Again, you're not going to slug it out with armor or even for that matter with mech infantry so much as shoot and scoot. Remember, maintaining confusion and moving faster or at least knowing the terrain and moving faster than they do. The big advantage we have is it's the Bundy's home territory and the locals' home territory. Mesquite has many people that support them. Bunkerville has many people that support them. In fact, an example is locally they're having all the laundry done in town. It was a volunteer thing. Somebody said, hey, I've got a business. We'll do all the laundry for you, which is what's happening now. The thing is that step one, we need to have the base in order for us, the base of operations to create logistic train, communications, base of operations for at least the ability to call out past just the front of the fence line. Because right now, that is one of the other problems that I've seen. We should have had that in there first. Everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. In a way, and I'm not saying that any of this has been bad, because all that's been good, but it could have, somebody did not, nobody stepped forward and said, do this. Instead, it was more like, well, we're going to be timid or we don't want to ask. No, you ask for everything you can while people are motivated and you'll get it done. But part of it is nobody stepped forward on this communications issue. Everybody waited for everybody else. Kind of like when the Branch Davidians did survive the first day's attack, then everybody kind of went into deer in the headlights because, well, they were trying to sort it out. Other people were trying to find excuses not to help. You see? So, you know, that's the one problem we have right now is that certain things that did not get done now focus, you know, force us to focus resource and time. Time being the factor. 24 hours in the day will still be 24 hours in the day tomorrow. Whatever hours we have, we're going to have to be as best, we got to be the best we possibly can be at accomplishing the task. As far as mobile or mech infantry, the first step in projecting your strength as a mobile element is to develop the ability to be able to support the mobile element. And that's what we're talking about by developing is infantry skills, now are long range skills because the farther you can reach and then adapt consistent marksmanship in all categories to that range, that means that you'll be able to overwatch at a greater range when you fire and maneuver. If you are in fact going to engage to try to neutralize a ground force, depending on how big it is. Now, they don't have manpower to really project themselves that far in any great numbers yet. We have the ability to put more boots on the ground, but again, it's purely numbers. The numbers game is resources in terms of calories coming in, physical support that we get there, and boots on the ground slash manpower available. And even if we train manpower available, of course, remember, as I've said, in this step, we're in a garrison situation where we have to look at a 24-hour clock. Now, even if we were to get into a fighting situation, remember, men can't run for three and four days at a time. They will be fighting in place or we would be fighting and maneuvering in place, but for every hour, well forgive me, for every four hours of operation beyond the normal sleep rest cycle, you're going to see about a 6 to 10 percent degradation in performance with the troops and it will progressively slide downhill fast. So we have to have more manpower on the ground. We need to be able to project that energy longer. That's why I've also talked about resting now. It's a real problem with people. I've done this so many times. People when they hit the ground and we're in a siege or a standoff situation, you can't get them to go to sleep. And then when you try to be assertive, they all get pissy. They really do because everybody is pumped up. It's going to happen now. Well, if it does, don't worry. Keep your boots on or unleash your boots. Keep your rifle in your arms, which I would say to do no matter what. If it gets really serious. Go to sleep. I'll be sure to wake you up, but you know what? I won't have to wake you up. Exactly. You'll be up soon enough. But as it is, I need you arrested because I can't stay up all night. I can't stay up the next day and the day after that. I mean, I can. I've done this. This is my problem. I know to what level I can go before I hit the wall. There are a lot of people that have not done that and I'm not belittling them, but they've not done that. Instead, before that, because we are supposed to be managers, we need to husband our calories, our energy. This means we have to imbue upon our people a level of responsibility to perform in particular ways. This includes resting. When we do get into contact, we are going to have to bite the bullet and run for a day or two or three on end. You'll be seeing three people where there's two or where there's one. Real quick, it won't take long for some people. In fact, it's one thing you need to know and you won't know until you've had time with your people in the field how you can manage each of those individuals and to what degree they can perform. Some people will run, you know, I mean younger young young whippersnappers obviously have more energy than us old farts But on the other hand, we also know how to husband our calories husband our energy and we can rest ourselves I know I can Right now I'm the only problem is in doing what we're doing from afar like this. We're burning up a lot of energy Not again if we had better I don't see y'all let me be honest here you guys have been listening to the program Why are we still having confusion about the mailing addresses? Anybody ask themselves that? I know some people say, well, man, I thought we had this settled. I'm going to say the same thing. Why would there be any confusion now? How the hell does it benefit us to try and be secret squirrel about some stupid thing like that? Let's put it this way. Don't you know where the enemy is? Don't you think the enemy knows where you are? I said this as long as we've been covering the subject down the air, haven't I? Yes. I'm going to rub this in for a reason because that energy wasted creating confusion is energy that should have been spent on addressing and to a degree you got to ask yourself some basic questions about who's doing what for why because your question about shouldn't we do this is a valid question but until we get people serious into the idea that this is not a social party this is not a hobby this is not a tailgate picnic and that you'd better get serious about this because this is a life and death action. See, I have no illusion about what they want to do. They would like to chop off Clive and Bundy's hands and feet. They would like to torture him to death. And then they would like to burn him. Along with the sheriff. Yeah, they won't burn him to death. Yeah, along with the sheriff if he was a real one. Exactly. Why do we know this? Because they've done this before. Everybody understand that? I just described the factual event where the feds did that, guys. Yeah. You remember. What you got, George? I'd like to know, even though you've got rotations out there, are there trainers going out there to teach them about desert warfare? That's not how you're going to be able to do it. It would be nice to have trainers, but what you're going to have to do is tag team. It's like a relay race. Your individuals that you train become the trainers. This is one of the most common mistakes made. While we have many hats and we will train, It is the responsibility of each individual to pass on the working knowledge that they have accumulated while on garrison. They're going to have to overlap the deployments. This means when somebody shows up, they get to glad hand for a bit, but what we really need is a standard operating procedure for processing personnel in. not because we're trying to be mean but because we have a limited amount of time and whoever's there they need to work with. In other words, that's why you take either what's called a Kit Carson Scout with a fire team or a squad, or you take and put a team member, a new one, with a senior member that's been there for a bit, preferably somebody who's going to be cycling out. We've addressed this throughout the last hour and the number of days, George. Yeah, it is a standard procedure. We would like to have a training officer on site. That would be great in every category. We actually need a designated signals officer and if an individual has to leave, we have to have an assistant overlapping that individual who then becomes the primary individual and he or she needs to train every other person or several other people. so that they can man the equipment and understand the equipment. This is true of weapon systems, this is true of medical support, it should be flowing, but people are not used to this idea yet. They are building up working knowledge and this is the problem when you are building up an army. It has been talked about for years. One of the benefits that Germany had, although Russia, everybody was building armies, always has, but Germany applied themselves in certain ways in the hyper speed of necessity to build up a phenomenal amount of information in a very short period of time because they were very precise in what they expected of their people. That's why they were able to perform, first of all, come up from no military in the post-World War I period because of the betrayal of the Treaty of Versailles and then working into progressively the advancements prior to World War II. In other words, from 1933 on, yeah, they went into double time, but the only thing that they did is brought themselves up to a comparable strength of what they had before World War I started in terms of performance. They were just as good at what they did because they focused like diamond cutters. American forces went from little to no army. Consider this. We went from little to no army because we didn't have standing armies in the United States. We went from no army to a massive multi-million man force based upon a specific diamond cutting precision with regard to goals. Romania had a larger army than America did at the beginning of the world. second world war remember another thing to point out here mark when you get there if you're raised carrying a shovel as if it is a rifle it's not too hard to convert to march with a rifle is it that's right puddle dot mark mark and i got george what another thing i've been reading about and hearing some people say who who claim to be the militia person and go there's no commander or nobody in charge out of the bundy ranch of like I don't even want to know who the commander is. I don't even want to know if there's a commander. You've said his name a couple times already. The guy who owns the land? The guy who owns the land is basically the person who's making the decisions. The straw boss is the best way to describe it, to eliminate this whole thing about worrying about command in a professional military posture. I've said this for time immemorial. Team leaders, straw bosses. Everybody just understand that we are, first of all, throw all your prior whatever is out the window. Here is how it works. We are building a militia. The militia is our army. It is our defense screen. It is our shield and our sword. It is us. It is not the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Marine. I was in the Army and I could say the same thing. I don't apply our resources that way when I go into the field. Anybody who has dealt with me with this knows this or understands this. In fact, in many cases the biggest problem is the idea of understanding that we are working towards a goal and that there is not some form of self-inggrandizement there. Especially when you get to the point where you realize they really are pointing the weapons at you. Which by the way, everybody should have noticed they were doing just exactly that when they were trying to get the cows back. It was the military, the government, the BLM, the Homeland Security, because that's what they all are. It was Homeland Security that was pointing all the guns at everybody and was ordered twice to fire on us. Remember that. They were ordered to fire. Everybody that was on the ground heard that. So this thing technically already started, number one. And that's why it's amazing to me. Guys, it's like they were told to fire, but they realized you pulled the trigger and you're a dead man. You really want to be stupid you go ahead you figure out if all these people around here aren't going to return the favor to you the first time to hear a pop pop Anybody pulling a trigger on anything and we wouldn't be we wouldn't be having this conversation this far out from that date Not on this broadcasting system not the way it is right now It'd have to be on the on the the back up in the end again going to the well broadcast till they get it You know system because that's where we'd be going The command structure as much as anything like I said this term straw boss applies and the biggest problem is again individuals need to be coached or need to be again reminded about certain rules with regard to tactical deployment and take it seriously. It's not like we're trying to be independent movie characters so we all have to have our own costume, okay, because we're trying to be dynamic. It doesn't work that way. We're looking at field expedient but also we're looking at battlefield readiness. We need to be at that level. We need to be at that level already. The Thought Line needs to be brought to fruition of standoff units. The overlap is that we have a wide number of individuals who are noncombatants who we really do need on site. Anybody out there listening, especially if you are an older person, you are all thinking the same way I am. We are not getting any younger. We have the knowledge, we have the working ability, we have skills that are priceless. Ladies, gentlemen, whoever you are out there, if you are thinking about going, get there. If you can only stay three or four days, that's fine. But everybody doing that, it makes a statement. If you want a drag, you know, the timeline out, then I suggest you show strength. If you wanted to kick off, well, watch and see what happens if everybody sits on their hands. You know, there might be a campground in the next county to the north or the east. Exactly. There are always some, yes. You know where we're going with that. We already have Marines that are there for that reason, CMM people that are there and they're doing exactly that and they are fast attack units. That's the idea, we need more of that too. Because if this happens, if they're all looking toward the center, being the Bundy Ranch, they can just focus on that. If this happens and they have to look at their back, they are a lot less effective to their front. They have to ask themselves whether or not they want to get into that situation just like we've been talking about. It's a variation that would happen at that bridge. It's a roll of the dice. Too many different players. This is America. We don't have to fly people in. We drive in. We can be there any time we want and we can stay there. A lot of people, well, you know it's bad when you make everybody unemployed. We ain't got nowhere to go. But, oops, you see that kind of mucks it up for them, doesn't it? We get a lot of people who could be on the ground, they don't have any place to go. They could be right there for as long as needed. We got people we're taking in, they're gonna stay for as long as they want to. Mark, I know it's a lot of people who are unemployed. They had a lot of time in their hands to find out how they were screwed. Well, the more you're sitting around, the more that happens, yes. Tell you what, we gotta let you go, George, because we're right at the top, by the way. Thank you, sir. And by the way, Don, before we go any farther, I don't want you to run off without first, giving everybody your number. You're going to be available in about three minutes. Hey, if you haven't received your night vision yet, your first generation gun sight, give me a call. I've got two people that haven't picked theirs up at the door yet for a day or three now, and I've got a couple tracking numbers, or at least one. Give me a call. My number is 2317968458. You know the number, 23179684. If you want to talk about night vision, give me a call. Hand me down half ton pickup trucks would be kind of handy. They can be modified accordingly and that would be something that have auxiliary vehicles on the ground that can then be modified and improved accordingly. That would give you the ability to create that mobility force or that projection strength when the time comes. Doesn't mean you can't use whatever else is there but it would be kind of nice to have committed vehicles. Specifically for the past. This one needs to be posed in the form of a question. How many clowns can they fit in that life span? Well we are at the top. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail and the gentlemen of the Empire is on the run. But we are on the mark. Both days end like we both. Think of the slats. Beat them down hard. We may wish the gods and your enemies anywhere in the world or anywhere near us. Document number for they can be composed. Live 365. Locally. That's one of the problems. What surprised there was anaconda in the Everglades? Oh yeah, by the time we're done right now, they already did run into them. That's been about eight years ago. That was in the news for a bit where they ran into one of the bigger pythons that probably somebody had let go and they just let it go into its environment and it let go with regard to a feeding frenzy because of how old food it needed. As far as growing, you have to figure out how many more didn't you find or how many more don't you know about. The population density, reptiles especially, I've been talking about the turtles the same way. Go to town, cage them in an area where they are able to populate in an area untouched, they will repopulate very quickly with no predator problems. And especially if they're of a little higher class, you know, a larger creature, they're dominant. They don't have too much to worry about other than Mr. Crocogator. You know, the alligator out there is the only thing that they have is competition. And the alligator better get them when they're small. Of course alligators aren't a tiny baby either. There are lots of tires in that alligator alley. One of my aunts was talking about that. They did the trip down there and she was complaining because of all the tires that they saw thrown in the swamps when they drove down alligator alley over to the west side east side of the state. As my dad pointed out he said those weren't tires, those were alligators. You know, Mark speaking of alligators. That's why they call it alligator alley guys for a reason. Speaking of alligators, we had animal rights come out and say we were mean because we did have an alligator that left us alone and he left us alone and all that stuff until a northern couple started feeding the alligators and we said that's it. We got a trafficator and take him out. I can either trap him and have him hauled away or whatever. It's not a big deal. It takes care of the problem. The alligator was something everybody used to be really worried about. I think it would make a good guard dog. I'm looking for one, George. If you find one again, let me know. Yeah. It would make a good suitcase or boots for you. Well, that's down the road. Remember, you think ahead. And gator steak and gator... Remember, jerked gator is awfully tasty, guys. Gatorjerk is out there. Yeah, we got a guy here. Just Gatorjerk. Actually, that was, Shelley finally took me down to Galveston last weekend. Dad found a really cool military surplus store. It reminded me of the one we used to go to over in Jackson. That's been there a long time. They had a lot of the Molly gear and some of the other stuff that came from Sturm. I found the Sturm tag on it. I asked him, you get any other stuff from Sturm? I don't know. Then it's like, and of course dealing with the stern, they put their own tags on the stuff once it comes over here and sure enough there were stern tags on a lot of the uniforms I was looking at. But one of the new shops that they had down there by where Shelley works is a jerky shop and one of the type of jerkies that they had was Alligator. Gator jerky, num num num. And probably, let's see, what's the other one? Oh, well of course Snapping Turtle Jerky, we have that up here too. And then, well, the emu, since the emus are being bred now, along with the ostrich, so... I've always wanted to cook. I've always wanted to buy a butchered ostrich for a Thanksgiving meal. Just once. Everybody loves turkey. I don't know what we cook it in, but... Something else that we had happened today, Dad, you know, as we were talking about, we were actually talking about turkeys and the wild turkeys that Shelly saw while she was up in our state, and we went over to Walmart today between the hours where we were down, because we had to take the cat to the vet, and sure enough, in the parking lot of Walmart, somebody had a turkey on the loose, and Shelly goes, that's a duck! I go, no, stop, that's a turkey. She goes, it's a duck! And then it gobbled at her. Well, that's a turkey. I've got a picture of it. I should forward it down to yourself. Well, we have wild turkey here in Mass right now, guys, and that's another one of those populations that's on the upswing. All you do is plant them and keep feeding them, and amazingly enough, you get more food down the road. We have them parading around the cornfield here right now scavenging because the corn, from the corn, the snow is gone. We are passing up in the yard, Dad. The harvester never gets all the corn. Dad, we're passing up in the yard. I'm going to bump you. Oh, we got to go. Yes, a matter of fact, we got BC coming up. Don't you touch that dial, guys. God bless the republic. Get your new old... We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The empire is on the run. We are on a march, day and night. And again, all those creatures can be jerked. The problem is you don't want that strange long pig. Oh, wait a minute. That's not part of the menu. Raccoon jerky. Yeah, don't get the French long pig. I was telling Shelly about that. She thought it was a yoke. Oh, no. Remember that. 300 years of cannibalism didn't go away very quickly. We'll be back. Well, I ate about an hour. But meanwhile, we've got BC coming up, and all of you pay attention. Help out by donating to Liberty Free Rate. Keep us up on here guys. You gotta cover the bills too just like everybody else. We'll be back. Bye bye. 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