May 7, 2014
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Mark Koernke discussed weapons systems and ammunition on Weapons Wednesday, focusing on rifle platforms including the AR-10, M1A, M14, HK91, FAL, and various AK-pattern rifles in .308 and 7.62x54R. He covered optics mounting systems, night vision technology from guest Don, and ammunition availability from vendors like UnAmmo and AmmoMan. The episode included extensive caller discussion comparing .30-06 and .308 cartridges, with analysis from Boston's Gun Bible. Koernke emphasized the Bundy Ranch situation and the importance of militia preparedness, weapon system redundancy, and long-range marksmanship capabilities.
- weapons wednesday
- ar-10
- m1a
- m14
- hk91
- fn-fal
- ak-pattern rifles
- .308 ammunition
- 7.62x54r
- night vision
- bundy ranch
- militia preparedness
- .30-06
- long-range marksmanship
- optics mounting
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Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught. You read about the current news in a regulated press. And you pay a tax you do not owe. It please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken us, you've traded in your name, you've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail, harass your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit so their children will be. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children defend the Constitution, the supreme law of the plan, preserve our great republic and each god-given right that won't keep vanished in the midst of whence he came. His words were true, we are free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each god-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, What would be your answer? He called out from the grave. It is a beautiful gray day, it's been raining. As a matter of fact, but it's been a rainy morning, kind of backed off a bit, the cats are out running around in the grass. If you try to avoid getting wet, that ain't gonna happen. What's the luck in your neck of the woods? What is this state to be? It's rainy, it's gray, it might get to 65 today. It is the 714, and that's a particular magazine in the other week. We've got one in the chamber now, we can tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday, the perimeter, where that came from, and that's the slide release, not just the slide. Offer equal opportunity. Covers and call livers. Nah, I have to work out this with some LED lights for the eyeballs. Anyway, you're covering what I was covering before. And by the way, I don't want to dissuade anybody from the other weapons systems you have. Don't think that because I'm talking about a certain rifle, oh, Marc said that this is the rifle and I should get rid of everything else I have. That's not true at all. In fact, I'm making recommendations. You can tweak your inventory if need be, or maybe you're coming into this and you're looking for a weapons system. There are four categories, but there are three categories that you have to look at when you're looking at a weapon system. The rifle itself, which by the way, does also include spare parts issues, magazines, which is a perishable, and, or it's slash consumable, and ammunition, which is a perishable slash consumable, because you're going to be using them up. Now everybody goes, Mark, magazines, I'm going to use those mags over and over again. Yeah, but you drop them, they get broke, they get worn out, it happens. how many can I get for the right price? Now that's always the formula. If the rifle's cheap, the mags are usually expensive. If the rifle is expensive, the mags sometimes are cheap. But there, again, the third factor is ammunition. And that's up and down. Right now, as we've seen with the ammunition inventory, little bubbles show up, everybody grabs them, it's gone, and now we're onto the next caliber to try and grab whatever's in that pile. The other weapons though that are out there, and again I mentioned the FAL and the M14, if you've got them don't think about changing. You've already got your weapon system set up. You already know how to make that rifle work. Use it. Run with that puppy. Just make sure again you know how to use what you've got in the toolbox and perfect your skill with it, please. Now, the one thing about the HK I will say is that you have to have a very different type of mount. optics on the rifle such as Dom's night vision or other optics that are out there in the system. There is a claw type mount that goes on the HK91. It's not outrageously expensive, in fact for a military item they're running fairly reasonably priced but to shop around for the best price number one and available however apparently somebody in China's sport, Dom decided to make HK91 claw mounts that go on the roof of the rifle the contract rebuilds for was selling them here about a year ago. DealXtreme had them listed. If you're looking for a check, DealXtreme, but also go through the, you know, again, let your fingers do the walking through the internet pages. You can buy the, this first dollar is the one that was making the scopes. A couple different companies made the scopes. I had a pile of them. I had the mounts in the scopes. Some of you are using them on your weapons now. I got them back when they were really cheap. And that's why those guys now have scopes on their rifles, otherwise they probably couldn't have afforded to buy. But they also offered with the scope taken off of the mount. They've been offering the mounts second adapt, although most cases that are selling them have adapted a picatinny rail, which means you can take Dom's night vision or any other optic you want and put it on the roof of that HK. Very simple, very straightforward, and yes they did, but because of the stamped receiver and how the HK receiver is built, fourth issue on a weapon. However, with iron sights, You should be able to reach that 600-800 yard mark, I did, with the M1A, you can do it with the HK91 and the FNFAL2. And remember, in desert or open conditions where you've got an open plane of fire, guys, and out west, that's everywhere. Back east, a little more, it pumps some people, say, well you can't reach 400-500 yards, oh yeah I can. I'll pick my terrain and I'll use my shot so that I can do just that and take advantage of maximum range against your light rifle capability. That's my job as a combat infantryman. My job is to sculpt the battlefield to my advantage, not yours. That's the first rule with all this, guys. Now, the reason I'm qualifying this is because there are other weapons, and as we know, the other category of firearms out there are the SAGAs, the Vepers, and the Zastava rifles that are in .308 and .762x54R. They are out there in force. There are a lot of them. The base concept is the Dragunov rifle, which of course is the SBD sniper rifle. All of these weapons typically come in one form or another as a sporterized type firearm if they're again, they were imported over the last six, seven years, which is not a problem because I like the thumb hole stocks on the AKs. it reinforces the pot stock and it also strengthens the pistol grip making for a much more far away very solid rifle platform when it comes to your shoulder guys okay because of the three point contact thing anyway uh... the idea behind this is that uh... the most affordable of the bunch right now for the price are these zestaba p a p m seventy seven p s right there in three oh eight they've got a nineteen inch barrel that's a little shorter than the standard SVD barrel but it's a good it's a good barrel length for .308, not my first choice but it's a good $550 a piece might be the reason you buy it. However, it only has 10 round mags that's typical for the philosophy of the SVD type rifle. A sniper weapon, it is a placement rifle. Now the cool thing about these, all these AKs, the Beppers, the Sagas, most of the Sagas and the PAP rifles guys all have the slide scope mount rail on the side of the receiver built into them. It's already machined and then riveted or screwed to the side of the receiver depending on how it was built and who made it. The advantage of this is I can go from day optics to night optics. So that is a big plus. It's a very quick change out from one to the other. Very user friendly. The other thing is, again, .308, AK action, very reliable, more than accurate enough, especially in these heavy build rifles. The Vepers have a heavier standard barrel to begin with, and in some cases a flute, a feature that you see on many of the Savage and Remington sniper rifles, and other military weapons out around the country and overseas. The advantage is 62x54R, long range cartridge gives you good reach. It's a toss up the 762x54R cartridge affordable right now. But if you were to buy this and you're counting on that cartridge, you'd better buy all the ammo you can get while it's still cheap. Buy all of it you can. All of it. I keep buying a case a week if you can. Or if you can go out and buy a truckload, buy a truckload. I'm serious. If you're supporting a 762x54R inventory, Buy ammo, buy more ammo, and then buy lots more ammo. But it's cheap now, down the road it may be an orphan cartridge. Understand this, buying the weapon. The bad guys figured they're letting us have it because we won't think ahead. Remember that we have overlapping weapon systems. We're not an army, a government army, we're a militia. We have many classes of weapons, so when we run out of ammunition, for one, we can switch out to the next without any complication. See how that works? Now, the one thing about the Pap rifles, these Estavas, you know, again, along with the Beppers and the Sagas, for the deployment out of the Bundy Ranch, these are MBRs. But, again, with whatever optics you put on the roof, the supremacy weapon on the battlefield, and with Don's night vision technology on the roof, they're in all seven weapons, okay? Now, at this point, I want to qualify this. Don, you have night vision technology. That first gen would go right on one of these 308 rifles, wouldn't it, sir? Oh yes, screw right down to that rail. Well for everybody out there, Reno, if you want night vision technology done, how can we get hold of you and what do you have available, please? Well, we've got that first generation gun sight, I think I can still do the 375, I know I can do a few more. I'm pretty certain I can do a few more at 375. $25 off of a bolt purchase. Two and a half power. It'll live on top of one, your AR-10, your FN-FAL, see about that device. My number's two, talk about goggles or gun sights or green screens or thermal. Again, my number is two, and we are talking about the Ruger system. As a matter of fact, remember, the one thing about it, guys, even what the Chinese are charging is quite reasonable. I know they're about $50, $60. But if you take a look at what is required to make it, the one thing about the HK, it is a claw-type system. It comes down and clamps particular reels that are on the receiver. It was engineered by the Germans for their designated sniper slash marksman in a unit. They made it originally with the mid-power scope. They also used the same fixture down for their night vision when they were using infrared. Of course, then first generation. The scope mount is again a clamp type, comes down and there's a lever that locks it into place. It's a quick release, so if you have more than one, you can go from your daylight scope during the day to your night vision in the evening. Go ahead. Vice, we can do that in second-generation also, some second-generation Gun Flat. That includes, again, my number's 231. Seventh-generation, there'd be any day now in the week or two, if you'd like. We get it like this because Senator, and he doesn't sit tight in them and in fact stab his neighbors. Clive Bundy, his name's all over the weekend, it's all over, you know, they'll bring it up, he being all over. And there you hear about him. Every American in this little Clyde Bundy, he puts cows on my land. Well, it isn't your land. Some of the using kids go up one more level because, you guys, we need to, Mark, you talked earlier about sculpting the battlefield. We need to sculpt because, again, look what he's doing. My name isn't Siphysus and neither is yours. Let that guy who pushes the hill and never gets it to the stream media. But you know what? We've got the Ultra. I'm gonna hear the mainstream media point see them making emotions against not kinda. you guys can turn your hands on this. He needs to be turned into this. That's what he is. With the rifle this American needs to... No change. The Bundy Ranch is... we've got some piece of tres... panties in a bunch and been throwing garbage out, disinformation out all over the place. We need you guys again. The Bundy Ranch needs our support. Let's get a motion on this. The way that you can. And that includes, again, psychological war operations. Bad guys are playing their game. them write down and do it in reverse order. Get on any of these social media areas and your voice, that can be akin to anything. All you need to do is get in there and positive. Do what you can to help to get the job done. Okay? Just that simple. Everybody out there can do their part in one form or another. The important thing is repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, okay? There's been a number of other projects that have been commented on. Don't forget Mr. Reed's son is a direct communist Chinese employee. He's a trash, he's working for a foreign asset, and that's what this is all about, is thieving America for foreign nationals, slash internationalists. That's what you're dealing with here. And everybody needs to treat these creatures accordingly for being the POSs that they are. Somehow there are some kind of royalty. We shot that out of this country before and it looks like we're going to have to deal with it again. And be square to wait. That's what we have weapons Wednesday for, but that's why we do the programming we do. There are so many aspects with the arrogance level now. The logic is that they've been told by their yes men and by all the other dweebs that they have around them that, yeah, they're all slave minded, they're slave-ish. Yeah, you can do that. Whatever you want to hear, boss. Whatever you want to hear. And that's exactly how they are, guys. So I cannot emphasize enough that if you're going to again be participant in this battle engage in every way that you possibly can. Look down upon this trash. And treat them accordingly. Look down upon this trash and treat them accordingly. That's the best possible thing you can do if you want to try and save the republic slash save your liberty slash work for an independent America. And nice doesn't work and nice doesn't count. Doesn't do you a darn bit of good. They laugh their arse off. Well, we're going to be reasonable. Oh, their ears prick and they have a wicked smile on their face when they hear stupid people make that comment. Oh, they love that. Anyway, we're going to do a breakdown. Your number for night vision before we go. We're going to get a half hour in the program here. Hey, that number is 231-796. 8458. So we have our sponsored numbers coming up soon. If you don't like these now, well, you're missing out on some good opportunities. Hey, we'll be right back, you guys. 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First off, you were talking about switching houses. Hey, like, dark. Weaver rail system. I could break the surplus from the rail mount and take it off and put it back to still hold my drill. You're taking a scope off of rings, you know the cab? No, no, no. Okay, you're taking a scope off that has a solid base. It has a new base, it plants down onto a weaver rail system. Do an individual ring, yes sir. Okay, now when we set those rings on the rail, there are people who touch every time they do that with and then they set the tube in there and then they're real careful with the torque as they screw the caps down. You have the ability to screw your single piece anymore. They are a thick. Thumb screw those off your rail. You thumb screw those back on. That's as close as you're going to get. Stack your rail. See, even if you take your scope and unscrew one ring at the bottom and the other ring at the bottom, if we had the ability to measure those, I bet you they'd move a few thousands of an inch. when you lay the tube down. Okay. But I was wondering. Okay. If you're hunting, you know, that used to be a myth in the zero. You take your scope, you put your scope back on and you're hitting the same place. When we stacked rings to the rail, you take it off as one piece and put it back on as one piece, you're going to be as close to repeatable zero as mankind can possibly make it. That's what I was going to have to do. I thought, well, if you undid the thumb screws at the bottom and pulled the whole assembly off, you know, both rings at one time, but I was always taught you put it down and get it where it's supposed to be and you leave it there. Exactly. That would typically be the case with the majority of the weapons we're talking about. In the military, with an individual ring system like that. Otherwise, you're hunting for your zero again. The military platform rifles like the A3, AR-15, A3, The M1A, the M14 has a fixture mount. On every M14 there is a stock hole with a thread inside of the receiver that was designed so that the weapon could give a number of different fixtures, not just a hole for a deflector at one time, but they were designed so that you take the entire fixture with the scope mounted cash and lock it to the side of the weapon. Now that allowed for you to disassemble the weapon and take off the night vision device. and then remount a sniper scope. It was the M21. A lot of guys still wouldn't even take the day optics off if they could help when they tried to round up a second rifle, have the night vision on one rifle left in place, and then day vision on the other. They do it in a combat if you've got two rifles, you're better off. Yeah, but the thing is that if you like the A-phase, you're not moving your scope, all you're doing is taking it off of the side rail and re-establishing it later. So, zero should be pretty, you know, should be consistent. Within an inch. Yeah, with something like that. Or the A3s, where you've got the, you can fixture like Don was talking about, and you actually reset it onto the top of the rifle. But it's a rigid fixture where you have another platform, your scope mounts are attached to that, and you just lock it into place. Yup, go ahead. Okay, that was part of the conversation we got into this weekend. One before I forget and then we'll get back to it. I've certainly caught up with me a while ago. Everybody's talking about this Bundy thing and Reed and it's all about the public lands, right? And how he has or doesn't have. Why don't somebody get together and put an online petition together, especially in Nevada and around through there, and we the people, get him permission to go through there and do what the hell he wants to. Let's get a million signatures to send that up to Reed. There you go. right now with back off the other words well if you forgive me ladies pissed off and tell me about the road right now we don't care nobody really put it back but what if this way that the the pitiful about their talk about the the troubling to the israelis or they're going to wait for the Ukraine in fifteen seconds i've got that you know that i think that would symbolically about your time up by the war very well yes yeah that was the other part Another thing that came up was, I got into a conversation and I had to back out because I didn't have the numbers to back it up. 308 versus OXIX. Stability and range. Top round. The OXIX is still superior. Only because there are a much wider number of loads available and the weapon itself was perfected in, again, a very different environment. The next generation of rifles, the .308 caliber, was designed to accommodate the argument for a weapon around that was shorter, shorter stroke, little lighter. We really didn't go much lighter. The .308 can pretty well go everywhere that the OX-6 can, but the OX-6 has got more workability because of the size of the case. And that's where again, while the factory M1 Garand versus the factory M14, the Garand can reach a little farther and the Garand has a little more umph when it gets there. Not much, but a little bit. They used to, when the .308 first came out, it was called Baby Ot-6. That was the term in shooting circles. Oh, I see you got one of them, Baby Ot-6 rounds. Just like when .300 Savage came out, it used to be called Baby .308. The 308 is an excellent round. I won't complain about anybody that's got it. Most people will say, well Mark, they switched the Garand's over to 308 only because 308 ammunition became cheap back when it was a nickel a round. And also because a lot of guys wanted the 308 match ammunition that was becoming more readily available over 30 out of 6. Back when the Garand was king of the range and still is readily used, That was the big argument. Stay with 30 out of 6 or switch over to 308. He was talking about that he'd read some words that somebody put out in the field that the 308 was more stable and had longer reach and this and that. He was talking about the 5-month. I said, I really can't tell you because I don't have any short 20 inch things or whatever. That's me, that's about 22 gallons of barrel that I got on my Winchester. Other than that, I'm sorry guys, I can't help you, but I know what I got and what I choose and what I've been around most of my life. Anything that says 26 for getting in barrel mode. If I had the same pile of material, somebody told me we got a billion rounds of op-six and we got a billion rounds of .308 and we got a pile of M1 Garands and we got a pile of M14s. I've trained with both rifles but I know that I would take the Garand if it was for extreme range shooting. That just has with iron sights. And I've trained with the M14 and I will kill you at 575 yards dead on every day, all day with that sight. You know, with iron sights. But that Garand is still, it has, there's a performance niche that it fits. Extreme range, that's where its family sits right there. That 1000 yard mark. Everybody goes, Mark, I can't see a thousand yards. Oh, trust me, yes you can. In fact, like I said, you get out to the Bundy Ranch. Here's the thing that's frustrating. You can watch your enemy travel towards you and do nothing about it. That's what I said when this mess all started when they went out there. It's going to be very deceiving for people that's never been out there. When we used to go out in the plains and hunt and run through there. You can get out through there and you can see for literally miles. There goes Bambi. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean it's absolutely incredible. So, you know, you're sitting there looking at something and it pops up and you go, oh, 300 yards! And I made the mistake one time and I pulled around and turned around and it was really cruel. It was what I ended up doing. I was long placed and I killed the cactus that didn't help, but I was about a hundred and ten yards short. And, uh, yeah. So anyway, I got it. My budget was a quarter mile away, so I hit it too. I mean, we looked and we looked and we looked and we looked and it was like, okay, what's back in part of the end? It was called, yeah, okay, so yeah. Marked ranges, it works real well. Well, that's another thing. Yeah, you see, that's another thing when you're a defensive posture that your people should be doing positions that are defense positions right now while you're in peacetime. Marking your distances would be a real good idea. Alright guys, I'm outta here. I'm Jay Mark, thank you. I'll holler at you later. His leg is still getting me grief, but I'll talk to you about that later. Very good. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Again, for everybody out there, again, I'm not saying if you got a .308, oh get rid of a Marcsson V30-06. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, both those cartridges serve, understand their performance range, understand their optimal engagement range. There is a progressive sine wave so to speak with the way gravity effect the only thing you're doing is putting more energy behind the projectile to get away with putting the bullet out farther and faster before gravity does what it's supposed to do gravity does it every time but like man you can get that bullet to go farther and basically what happens is you have a curvature a wave of performance combined with both propellant bullet weight a spin and of course uh... configuration which is really critical because that's why bullets are built differently in terms of even shape guys a lot of research done there are a lot of arguments back and forth i know that even as i said i can fix it to be all about you i know it will do very well in fact you may be a master marksman and you can perform just as well pretty much every range as i can with the grant or anybody else that might be expert with the grand the m one rifle the case itself and because of the number of options in terms of of bullet weight propellant etcetera there are more loads available for the out six than ever have been for the three oh eight which allows for it shall we say picking from the gulf bag and depending on what you're doing uh... everything that we of course everything that we have a thirty out six can be built with three oh eight if you're willing to do it but geometry of the of the uh... chamber in the you know the case itself is what you're working with do you have a little more put behind it if need be if you go into custom loads Another thing real quick on that too is again, if you do have M1 Garand's, grab all the odd 6 you can. There is some odd 6 showing up, Don, at a couple different locations. unamo.com, unamo.com, unamo.com, and 30 odd 6 at amoman.com. He just got some other stuff in. Not much, but he does have some odd 6. amoman.com. You're on one side of the country, ammo man will be faster if you're on the west side of the country, no, right as opposed to the left. On the west side, UN ammo is closer to a lot of you guys up there towards Nevada. And there's been a lot of interesting stuff that he's been getting in. He's been getting onesies of, he's been scouring the countryside and noticed looking at some of the stuff he's got like single cases of available, he's just gonna have to set the countryside to get what you want and clean them out if need be. recommend that uh... another thing about uh... don't forget the other friendly calibers out there seven point five swiss you've got a schmidt rueben factory uh... standard animal available national match grade or grain most everybody's got it in some quantity shop around by the best price that you deal with one thing about amel man and you and amal whatever you see they show you the shipping price so you know exactly how many pennies bottle caps shelled simoleons clams euros whatever it is you need to buy it on that note uh... with regard to ammunition just came in they still have well it's like they're out of the one they do have some thirty eight uh... special they do have some twenty five a c p i think i believe they still do i don't think they sold out of it yet uh... but they do have some twenty five automatic uh... thirty-two a c p uh... ten millimeter m o n but i you almost have to check with him was listed before it may be gone that's the only thing i know a lot of people been looking for ten millimeter because it's an orphan cartridge it's out there but it's you know ideas but it isn't the twenty five is the uh... is uh... lower below uh... silly bill it doesn't know the thirty two is f and b and then it's a mix going up the scales far as what they have available but take the time check it out you're gonna have to look market do that for you and it's again u and amo dot com u and amo dot com u and amo dot com and amoman.com. Don, real quick here again, well not real quick, this one, doing it. You've got time. Please again, let everybody know how can we get hold of you, what technology do we have available out of the box right now, and again, what changes are coming up with night vision, please? Hardly perceptible by piece of night vision. And in low light, it's simple by a human eye unless you happen to be looking right at it. In a racing gun sight you guys, it's your M1, your mail box for 375. If you're talking to me about that, you can reach me at 231-58. Again, 231-7968. I go for gun sight. I beat up the guy with the 800 number, 31796. Fellow Boston Key Party. Gun Bible. And he talks about that 3.06. Just one paragraph here says, for bad guys, work out the 700 yards. Either of these will do. Similar performance bullet from 80 to at least 180 grains. You don't have to handle about anything. Which is better? It's a difficult choice, but by no means a clear. I'm going to talk about the advantage on the velocity of 150 feet per second over the 308 with the 30.06. But it's not huge. 100 to 300 seconds advantage. 180 to 220 had more common and very remote deliverance class areas was fond of saying with 180 at 2700 then you probably have 30-06 load of 180 grains at 2700 with an inexpensive and removable chamber fire the 301 although the bullet half-inch this accuracy by roughly a minute and a half more on this we know US military it is heavier and more expensive than 308 with only a moderate velocity the BAR, the M1 Garand, and the FN49. We could do one more paragraph here real quick. It is an extremely efficient case given 95% of the velocity of a 30-odd six in a 179,000th of an inch short. That's almost half an ounce. It's a tad more accurate. It requires only a short action, saving you a half pound in your bolt. Rarely have 600 yards plus shot during a routine patrol. 308 is an excellent round for most threats. Best of all, modern battle rifles 51. So one cartridge battle rifle for intermediate distance can be stretched out in a really good hand. Sniper gothic reach out there, i.e. 600 yards like the 30-06. 120 grainers are really too heavy for the case. 168 to 180 grain out to 600 yards, but it's pretty much out of gas thereafter. Yes, I know. It's been made at 900 to 1,000 yards with the 308, but that was by... of .30-06 had they known such a distant shot would be slightly. And that's some of Boston's thoughts on the .308 versus .30-06. We'll close that with one more paragraph in a second. So what's the answer? .30-06 or .308? It depends on the situation. For example, if I positively didn't need the extra 150 yards of the .30-06 or the cyclic rate of a battle rifle, and my field activities insisted on a lighter rifle, Then I'd feel quite comfortable with the .308 bolt gun. If, however, I envision some longer shot, then I'd feel with at least a .30-06, which is clearly superior to the .308. Boston, key parties fought on .308 versus .30-06, Martin. Yep. And again, guys, remember, battlefield supremacy. We want to reach farther, get harder, and put them down so the other bad guys got to do something about it or fear the idea it's going to happen again. Well, Don, your number for night vision, please. That number is 2317968458. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, folks. Stay in sight. It's Ronnie McMullen here for Life Change Tea. Everyone loves us for our all-natural tea that helps you with your health in so many ways. But many of you maybe don't know about our other beneficial products that can get your body on track and promote awesome health. Check out our article for Immune Boost, our sea vegetables.