April 23, 2014
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1h 8m
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed tactical and logistical issues related to the Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada, comparing it to previous sieges including the Gray Siege in Texas and Waco. They emphasized the need for proper military discipline, supply chain management, NBC (nuclear-biological-chemical) defense equipment, and coordinated command structure at the ranch. The hosts criticized the Oath Keepers' organizational approach and management of the encampment, advocating for quadrant-based defensive positioning, continuous supply deliveries before a potential lockdown, and proper security protocols including randomized patrols and perimeter expansion.
- bundy ranch
- nevada standoff
- oath keepers
- gray siege
- waco siege
- blm
- logistics
- nbc defense
- militia tactics
- supply chain
- command structure
- operational security
- perimeter defense
- preparedness
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Now it is a particular day. We'll get through this here real quick. Okay, hold on guys, we've got some other background here for some reason. I'm hearing a second voice, so go ahead, jump in there now. Okay, with magazine in one hand and Pusty 1911, and the other I introduce the magazine to the magazine well and touch the slide release and hey, I got one in the chamber and well, we can tell you it is Weapons Wednesday, the perimeter is secure and there's plenty more where that came from. And again, the 23rd day of 2014. We have some people waiting, Mark, let's rush right into this. There's no need to rush, but let's get a chunk of meat here. If you were listening to the five o'clock hour, I said, we're going to address a number of things in the eight o'clock hour. I even went so far as to say, in no disrespect, Mark's going to learn something. Don's going to learn something. We're all going to learn something. When I say Mark's going to learn something, it's like Mark's going to learn something from the situation report. I didn't do that out of no disrespect. I just thought I'd mention that. But you guys, there's some raw and some nitty gritty and some stuff that needs to be addressed because, well, if we're going to do this every now and then, we ought to do it right. And we ought to learn from our mistakes. So with that in mind, we got Arizona. I'll do it like this. I ain't doctors. But we got Arizona 1 and Arizona 2. What was your two prefers to be called Arizona Ranger? We'll do that. That's good to get things sorted out from the beginning. I do this for a number of reasons. Mark, we did this in an abbreviated way the other day. Again, I don't do this to butt heads with nobody. I would say that Number one there, Arizona. I've known this guy for a long time. I've shook his hand. I've looked him in the eye. I've bred with him. Let's do that for credence. But you know, let's do another thing here. And it was explained to me like this the other day. And I'll steal it because, well, I might be a thief of words every now and then. Oh, by the way, happy birthday to the old bard. If he were to live this long, he'd have been 450 years old today. He'd be wrinkly and pruny and he'd probably even need any teeth to chew food with or speak very well with. Let alone work on a soliloquy. Well, he might have been right. You never know. Maybe a son of a bitch. Very slowly. But again, I'm not beyond stealing a word or a phrase. Sometimes even a whole paragraph. Now, with that in mind, I will say the group is moving through an area, a group to a halt, and he sends three men to the top of the hill. He says, I want you to go to the top of the hill. I want you to look over the hill. I want you to tell me if you see the road. I want you to tell me if we can command the road from here. Now all three men go to the top of the hill. All three men come back. All three men say, oh, we went to the top of the hill, Lieutenant, and we can command the road from here. We did see the road, and we can command the road from here. Well, that Lieutenant doesn't have to go top of the hill to know what his men tell them is fact. Right? We can all agree on that, right? Now, with that in mind, there are a number of issues that need to be addressed about recent activities. I don't mean to be vague or anything about what's going on in Nevada. With that in mind, let's bring up a couple people here because we don't have a whole lot of time and we need Don's taking up a bunch of them. With that in mind, Arizona, how are you doing tonight? I'm feeling great. The ASE range is really super pressed for time and we need to get right onto this portal. Now I understand that the porta-potties were brought in and with an amount of people there that well They kind of got filled up pretty quick didn't now. They're gone aren't they either throw it on the ground this morning when they're right there no more I guess they were actually friend of mr. Bundy's but I don't know if he doesn't have a truck to suck them out or They got a little bit now that goes over to a health issue you guys George Washington this this is a historic the people together Can we say what was the name of that stadium after that their hurricane? Now, I use that as an example, but in this example we should be more efficient because the body of this nature tends to be, and that's what a body of this nature strives to be. Am I wrong? If you're not efficient, how are you going to be efficient? You know, I'm going to put my statement here, but how are you going to be efficient doing anything else? Okay, discipline can be displayed in a great number of ways. I know it's hard to dig a hole in the desert. You can agree with that, right? Yes, you might take a pick. Literally, you guys might take a pick to get a hole going in the desert. I know about that. I've been there too. Now let's talk about being there because I understand we're timelinders and I yield the floor to you two because we need a sitrep here, please. Easy range, are you there? We might have lost them. I didn't mean to... But again, the point is here, you guys, there are a number of things that can be talked about. We talked about moving into an area. You know when armies used to move, if an army moved such a great distance as from, let's just say from Washington State, the bottom of Nevada there would walk. And over that time they would become acclimated to their area of operation as they walked in. The Arizona Ranger Road, the kind of broad daylight and other guys didn't have any idea we were there was really bad. I tell you guys that I will blame the Oath Keepers because they took this thing and decided instead of it being a militia enterprise, keepers deal. They didn't even go there's no problem. To the potato chips and ketchup story? There's food there. Oath Keepers and it never arrived. In most of all, in all honesty, they need people on the ground. They need boots. They have to do any. This is the point, folks. And I got to tell you, I was in the wash. I saw what we were dealing with when I'm there. There's any doubt on any... Unless we make sure that we do things right. That is correct. 15 or 20 grandchildren running around there, livable in America. Federal agents do this in a way that they were trying to see. The observer showed up on the scene. All of a sudden it just started to go disappear because you can get there. We need a garrison. What we need is a heavy garrison in place. Just people. They're not going to go attack a thousand people. I don't care if they're on the Bundy family. This isn't exactly what you're describing, what happened. We even had it when the Grey Siege was going on, the government did drive-by shootings. That was actually covered on film. We got that right straight. Literally, if the cameraman hadn't ducked, the cameraman would have been dead. They were proven that everybody on board the truck that was doing the drive-by, that they were all Feds and law enforcement. Let's put it this way, they were so flagrant that, now this is the age of the VHS camera, but they had a good piece of equipment, the camera shots into the vehicle were so clean they could have been used for professional mug shots. That's how arrogant they were back in the old. That's the gray siege in Texas. This is the you know on the bunny siege I see is no different It's a little bit mapping out by what you're describing the exact same way that we had the same problems there And how we had to deal with them now the difficulty with an individual who's and then have these people go over in the whole regalia correct so Different colors of camouflage We covered that. You need as many what appear to be deployments as far out as possible, even if there's no one there. In the desert, one of these... Worked again, in the shell game. Yeah, that thing. The thing that Bundy even has, he's even got excavators there. He could excavate, he could easily be done. Another question. They have deep... Okay, but suppose they can't get to the river. If somebody's shooting at you, can you get to the river? Eh, probably. Okay, suppose they can't get to the river. In perspective, how close is the river? Give me a distance from the main ranch to the river. How close are we? It's like the gray seeds, the same thing. This is the exact same MO. They could get put apart. Everything should be full. This is one of the things I emphasize, number one, you're looking at a combat seed situation. Anything that can hold water should be full of water right now. Absolutely. I'll tell you one of the things Okay, here's one thing I'm going to say though right now, even if they're really far, right now for the moment they have enough, but we have to look at this as an opportunity. Anybody going takes... takes pounds of food. They don't take any canned good with them. One twenty-five pound bag of rice, one twenty-five pound bag of beans, two cases, six cans each of number ten cans of some kind of food, cheapest for the mostest. That's your price to get into that camp for anybody going there because we've got to depot the site. And you know what? The bunnies will eat it. If all else fails, we leave it behind for the bunnies. This is a policy we've had here with all of our sieges and standoffs for decades. And in fact, we do this with meetings. When you come to a meeting here, if we have a meeting, you have to bring two number ten cans of food to the site for the host. And the reason for that is if you have two or three hundred people show up, that's how many pallets of food that are on site if we ever have to fight there. Exactly. That's how we need to be thinking with this. I like that a lot. Okay. Now with that in mind, another thing needs to be addressed here. You know, it's like a computer thing, garbage in, garbage out, but only if it's a human thing. Because when you empty the can, what do you do with it? I'm told that it's becoming a problem, kind of garbage wise. Okay. Water cans, a can can become so many different tools, it's ridiculous, or so many different weapons. That's right, fortifications. More, just like ammo cans. Now initially you had said that the people were putting the trash. I saw a thing too on the touch-up. Mr. Black gave it to me. It was 18 by Skye. We were riding and the thing is really good. There's a welcome center. People are coming across to get it. He's a very good guy but the question about what's going on seems to be around the people of the town. He was a... You guys are doing... You're getting your radio communications to Gav, which wasn't good. Something about somebody giving out the... That it got with the oath of us out. I can't really go over the figure for the calculation. and those are priceless. We are well aware of that and we couldn't get it. What we need is for our promise to handle it. We did that a little bit. Yeah, they got guard people leaping on duty. Dad, can I come up here a second? Go ahead. It sounds like what needed to be happened is the Oath Keepers camp needs to be kept in its own little private circle and then everybody else needs to be encamped around or behind their position so they're the first to go. Either you can choose to protect them or you use them as cannon fodder out front. I'm sorry to say that, but that sounds what they're good for. We've done that before actually. I can understand, and again Ryan is the one who's going to have to apply himself. I'm going to be quite honest. Somebody's got to step forward and go, okay, here's how this works. There's not going to be somebody the poo-baw over the encampment. The way that we've done this in the past, we've had to expand large forces is give everybody a quadrant. Now, understand that that quadrant may be a weak location if you know that you have dunderheads involved, but you're over watching fires and control can restrict the damage in that area. In other words, you can still expand, continue to develop. Where one person is trying to, again, poo-baw over the whole operation, if you have to give him a special task, give him a point out there that mountain range and tell him that he needs to secure it. You know what I mean? Look at that mountain range over there, we've got a special spot for you. That's our main target. We need your leadership and it needs to be over there. Point to the ridge. This is what we can't afford right now. Number one, let me remind everybody of the gray siege. At a given point, the grays were chemically attacked from above. It was a low-flying military helicopter that sprayed the area. We had three casualties. That was because again, I asked a hundred times, do you have NBC defense? Do you have NBC defense? Do you have NBC defense? Two of the pickets, the pickets were the security personnel moving around the perimeter and they were doing a good job. They were caught out in the open. The attack took place in the wee hours of the morning. They hit them on the ground while they were trying to move back to the CP. The CP was hit. The CP, the only good thing there is, had overhead cover so when the area was sprayed, The girl who was on the ground on radio signals got partially hit. She was not as ill as the rest. The only good thing is that because they harden the location and actually listened to a lot of what we were talking about with regard to dispersion and bunkering, the rest of the population on site wasn't heavily affected. The critical thing is to actually first get their act together so that we don't have this wasted resource. That's what I see out there. I'm lining up equipment, but I'm not going to hand equipment over to some fool who's stupid enough that he's like, if this is the kind of management moment you have something, you channel the resource. You don't sit there with your thumb up your arse and those really fine poo bob your rank on your epulence and little or no competence. I mean, it'll look great with the ship as it's sinking, I suppose, but the other problem I have with that is typically a person like that also won't hold their ground anyway. I'm just saying from over and over and over experiencing these problems to a degree, but in this case, this shouldn't be allowed to go this far and everybody's going to have to step forward. Oathkeeper people, like Ed said, the best way to do that, make them kind of like the demi-welcoming wagon for whoever rolls down the road first. Are they armed up? Are they prepped up? Are they willing to fight? That was the problem. They've been what they've been. I agree with you on the part about having the If the oath keepers want to be out front, then they can be out front. But now this is something, being up there in a camp, was that somebody drove up there. It's organic sand. They are going to be the front one. you should know why i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i Okay, why did I hear somebody piss him off? Funny about if you go into town, you go, well, you're going to have some civilian clothes. It's like, well, that's cool. So I have to have a change of a back costume change. Good. See, I know it should be. Dan, I know it was with the greats. Real quick, can I remind you guys that that order came from the corporate oath keepers and I will say corporate because and this fool who's running that camp is probably part of the corporate oath keepers he's paying his dues to the corporation so he can say he's a member when originally all the oath keepers were where people who are coming up on YouTube and reaffirming their oath and saying they were going to follow the orders. Alright as soon as it became a 501c3 nonprofit organization that is when the Oath Keepers became this other entity. And you've got two of them that are sitting there. I guarantee you we've got actual Oath Keepers that are on the ground who would step up and do something. You got this jackass. Well, hold on. The reason I wanted to clarify that is because you see there's resources that are, I've been working all day trying to move material there. I can probably work on tenage, but tenage is not as good as hard mobile structures. But tenage is something we're working on. The thing is that camouflage nets, tenning, uniforms, cold weather gear, combat gear, body armor, this is all stuff that we can route that way. That's the question. That's what I need is do we have it is there see it sounds like if doof is just you know We're stuff is being brought in that truck and doof is thrown at a pile off to the side first of all There do need to be a quarter bathroom eventually No, that's not the point. I don't care about no. No. Here's the problem. You don't have time for that Here's my problem with this storms coming It's not a kind of order. There's even a funny thing for me It's pissing me off across the board, and I'm not laughing about it for a reason because dead is dead dumbass getting me dead or dragging me down like a drowning idiot is going to get a lot of other people dead too. Now that's where everybody needs to turn around and this is where diplomacy doesn't work anymore. See, I'm just pissed at the other side. I don't have a use for the other side. Because I argued this from the get-go-ide, but completely believe what you're saying. In fact, I believe about a quarter were stinking Israelis on the ground. Number one, that character up front was a murderer. The only reason he wanted Mr. Bundy and his son up front is so they could slam him to the ground in front of everybody and try to play Big Dog. And the smart thing is he said, I'm not, you know, we're not, he's not going with you. They're not going over there with you. So you could arrest them. Oh, we're all going to arrest them. Oh, you lying piece of trash. I could see that in his face. He's a foreign operator that's a mercenary whore. In fact, most of those BLM prostitutes need to die flat out anyway, and that's what's going to have to happen. But the only way that's going to happen is properly when this kicks off, as everybody gets their shit together. And here's the problem. People are not going to want to. I'm sorry, forgive me on that. We're almost on top of the hour. But here's the thing. What has to happen, you guys are closer than we are. Here's what's going to have to happen. Some of you used to have a man talk with Mr. Bundy and a man talk. Apparently, Mr. Ryan has his act together. If somebody doesn't listen, then everybody needs to step forward on this soon, like now, like yesterday. Here's the other thing about this. Are they outfitted and equipped or not, as far as the old computers go? But yeah, they've got stuff. No, I mean, just are they outfitted? Are they combat-capable? They want to be 100%. Well, for the time being, at least during the confusion, during the bratwurst flying and the barbecue grill falling over, there'll be some rounds going down range. See, this is what I was talking about. You don't treat it like it's a tailgate party at a football game, number one. Well, it's not that bad. He's going in and you can't do that. You don't do that. No you can't, but of course not. That's horrible. Anybody who's been in the military knows that. Anybody who knows anything about management and command knows this. Right, right. You don't eat before your men. You make sure they eat first. I mean, are you kidding? I mean, all kinds of this crap is the issue. Well, I really can bring it about. I don't know. He was talking about her on Easter and he had to have his potato everybody there. So I don't know what he'd prefer to handle. Let's just send all their orp here. Oh no. No, no, no, no, no. That's exactly what the point is. No. Send directly to the Bundy's. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. We've got to, okay, here's two, here's the things, guys, you're closer than we are because here's the problem. We've already got some things in motion. Number one, and I'm talking to you, but you guys are gonna have to help us out here because you're still within drive time. I know it's not great drive time, but at least you guys are, and there's contacts that you already have made. Number one, we don't just need the Bundy location, we need a second delivery location off-site immediately. We need a place that is separate from the Bundy's where stuff can be delivered and it has to be somebody who is reliable up there working for Mr. Bundy not for a second party. Well, the reason I say this is that it is old on guys. Now wait a minute, let me explain this to our guys listening because we haven't been up on here before. Every time we've had a siege they are going to lock this place down. Yes. All of these days wasted and quit saying they've got enough food. Okay, they don't have enough food. Remember halfway through the Waco siege and halfway through the Gray siege, although fortunately we had poor people we could sortie in with, we had to move truckloads of stuff in with protection to resupply them. With the Waco siege, we couldn't do that. We have had how many weeks of free time, and like I said, every time somebody came in there, there should have been staples going in. Every day that you travel in there, there should be staples going in. No vehicle should go empty. And the reason for that is once this gets locked down, what they have is all they have. This is a fighting situation. It is a fighting situation. The bad guys already deployed. They're now pissed. On American television, or at least in the independent media, our enemy was shown having, being forced to retreat under full combat arms. They cannot suffer that. Exactly, but my point is here again, because of that, every hour counts. There's no debate. I don't know how you guys debated this on the ground there because it should be common sense. It's not that this is funny or that this was in any way, shape, or form. This is not a free time. The great siege went on until it is on right now. It's been going on for more than a decade. Initially, I had to dump thousands of dollars worth of equipment out, and I can't emphasize that I buy from jobbers. We outfitted them with body armor, helmets, uniforms, chemical defense, NBC suits, everything. Do they, I shouldn't even ask, because I don't even want anybody to know anymore, but I'll guarantee they don't there, do they? No, they have no, they couldn't even handle, I had that. When they were attacked. Now here's the thing, it's not that the Grays were stupid, what happened is this, the Grays were one of those families that responded to every stinking event that took place in the 90s. But when the time came and they were under attack, they had expended all their resources, they had continued to use material up, they used their wealth up. I'm just going to say I don't think the buddies have that. Well, the problem is that the piece of real estate is no different from the gray siege. In fact, what you've described, I suspected this, the moment I saw water, that writes off the whole thing, that's what they're after. They're right on a prime piece of real estate. If the water's that close, it's identical to why they wanted the gray ranch for the same thing in Texas. It's the same MO. Now, you've got all these people and you've got... Here's the kicker. For the problem I have with the people who are outkeepers is they all say that they've been in the military. Well, there's not one of them that doesn't understand logistics or isn't supposed to, or else they weren't paying attention when they were in whatever classes they were in. Okay, number one. Number two, operational security, basic 101 stuff. Okay, physical control and operation of the area. Keep pushing that perimeter out. Yes, and not only that, but aggressive patrolling that's systematic. Well, it doesn't have to be systematic. In fact, just reverse. Throw the dice as far as when the patrolling takes place, but do it in an intelligent manner. It's a show. The idea is it's a show. The bad guys have to try and figure it out. The best thing about a set of dice by using a randomizer like that is there's no schedule or routine. Gentlemen, I have to leave. appreciate you guys having me on. Could you give them my number? We've got to stay focused and get on this high gear, people. Thank you. Well, this thing is, this is on as far as the bad guys go. It's the old story. It's the Wicked Witch of the West. They left the room with the hourglass running because they're trying to figure out how to get away with it. It's that simple. Okay, for everybody out there, Don, you have night vision technology available. Please give out your number. You're going to be available in a minute. Hey, my number is 2317968458. Again, 2317968458. Thank you, Arizona. Again, for everybody out there, stay focused. Guys, we have to get the material to where it's needed, but we need to make sure that it isn't carried away. That's the other thing that I'm worried about. I want it on site. It's for the site. It's not for someone else to play with, somewhere else once they decide to leave. Right. Okay. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march. both day and night. Don, be about your number twice for night vision. It'll be available in a little bit. Hey, that number is 23179684582317968458. Thank you, Mark. God bless America.