March 26, 2014
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1h 8m
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Betscher discussed preparedness topics including fuel storage and maintenance for generators, ammunition availability and pricing for .50 caliber rifles, and tactical weapons employment strategies. They promoted Watson's Weapons for .50 caliber uppers and complete rifles, Gun Owners of America membership, and the Micro Effect radio program. The show covered detailed guidance on weapon systems, ammunition selection, and defensive tactics, with emphasis on reliability and marksmanship over modification of existing firearms.
- .50 caliber
- watson's weapons
- gun owners of america
- ammunition
- preparedness
- fuel storage
- ar-15
- tactical weapons
- connecticut
- rhode island
- firearms
- militia
- micro effect
- generator maintenance
- marksmanship
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If you know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, you have thankful for and you have much to praise Him for. Let's thank our Lord for this time together here this evening. Father, It's easy to praise your name when one comes to understand what you've done on our behalf. You provided the way for our restored fellowship with you through your Son and our Savior Jesus Christ. The fact that your Son came in the form of a man to bring us the plan of salvation and then die upon the cross and shed his blood and wash away all our sin. Father, where we can stand before you forgiven. our hearts and our souls and our bodies cleansed from sin. Father, we praise you. Glory to the Father, glory to the Son, glory to the Holy Spirit forever and ever. May the love of God, in the grace of Jesus Christ, and the peace of the Holy Spirit be with us all. Amen. Friends, in our study tonight we looked at part of verse you have called is not available. Those who are in Christ have peace. And even as the world continues to wax hostile, the world and its system are enemies of God and his people. For they are opposed to Jesus Christ in the gospel message. Our Lord overcame their hostilities and was victorious over them. Friends, it doesn't matter what the enemy says, does, or tries to do. They lose in the end. What are they going to do? Threaten us with Heaven? In the preceding verse, our Lord said, I am not alone, for the Father is with me. Friends, if you are born again and a true Father and believer of Jesus Christ, Father, God is with you too. So take heart. No matter what the other day, I had a dream the other night that Well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God, keep the torch of freedom bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep, and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? And good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intel report at Mark Krunke. And I'm Don Betscher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, central, east and south. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com. We're on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations and Ultra Net Technologies East and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the Hallmark Network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the 3rd, 5th pit and our friends in the recall state of Colorado. Waving to the left coast with a great state of Jefferson. Stands as a shining beacon. We turn back to the east sweep across the plains. Leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and land on the Smokey slash the Blue Ridge. We're the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Ma Bell Grandma Consortium bringing us the Golden Spike. Don, it's been clear, getting cold. We had a lot of melt today, but it's going to freeze tonight, so be careful on the road there, guys. What's it like in your neck of the woods? What's the day today, sir? What's jumping off the wall up there? Well, it is the 26th day of March, year of our Lord, 2014. The sun is going down on a very nice day for the middle of February. I'm not complaining, no, but it is a particular day on the stripes of the calendar there. With that in mind, we're just going to offer up a bit of rattle here when the magazine is inserted in the magazine well. Somebody touched that slide release, I know who did that, but there's one in the chamber and now we can tell you that it is Weapons Wednesday, the perimeter is pure and there's plenty more where that came from. And we can now offer equal opportunity coercive force when the time comes. Just remember guys, organize our equipment and train is militia. Ensure that you have your basics in place. The P principle applies, prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance. A square away whatever you can, accumulate whatever you can, be ready for what's coming. Done. Real quick here, we've had some interesting things going on with communications the last couple of days. Everybody knows that. Pay attention to again power supplies also. There seems to be some wobble in the power system and that is not an accident. So again remind everybody to keep their battery backups in place and to have their alternate power supply and alternate lighting on standby too just in case. Did you double check your fuel? Most of you run your generators at different times, but double check and if need be, dump the fuel and replace it or add fuel enhancer to it. Not just fuel stabilizer, fuel enhancer, boost the octane if it's been sitting for a while. Remember that also is something you can have in the little one quart containers on site or wherever you store equipment out in the middle of nowhere so that before you try to start it because a lot of the higher components that are designed to create a hotter spark and ignition, they vapor off the fuel. They will lift off the fuel, progressively they separate. This is why fuel, when it's up in the middle of nowhere or sitting around number one, it typically won't start up right away or it's tough and why a can of ether is also kind of handy to have. But fuel enhancers will do the same thing, reintroducing the higher burn themes that are typically attached to fuel that leech off. Now the other thing in the long term with power is tarring with regard to gasoline. And tarring is where again certain components start to bind back together and you'll see what either looks like a white slurry or a black slurry. Usually and sometimes even a cement colored, it depends on the fuel. But it looks like it's like little bits of mud, like stringy pieces of phlegm or mud through the fuel. If you see that, don't try to start anything until you dump that fuel. If you've got a coffee filter, those are the cheapest things to actually store, or fuel filters, paper fuel filters, coffee filters will work just as fine. You can salvage that fuel, perhaps, but you're going to have to run it leaned out with some additional fuel and with a stabilizer and enhancer of some kind. Even in that case, if you had to, because again fuel is short, don't forget that the de-icing material that's used for car additives this time of year, they're coming off it. Usually it'll be on sale because they have cases or pallets of the stuff and they haven't sold at all. Try to find places where it's marked down or it's on sale or people are tossing it out. Pick it up and again dump a couple containers of that if you don't have anything else that you can store with your generators in remote locations or on standby. That fuel enhancer will help to create additional spark and get that fuel to burn. Again, use the oldest first. If you've got fresher, don't cross contaminate everything by pouring the old stuff into the new stuff. Add a little bit of the newer fuel. It has the enhancers. Dump a pint of the de-icer or the enhancer into the container you've got and run with that and see how it works. Now the one thing you've got to be careful of is you've got to strain the fuel first if you have tarring. If it's not that old but it's been sitting for a couple of months, tarring is not so much a problem. It's just again the vaporizing of the higher elements that are designed to help with combustion, initiating combustion. The fuel will burn once it's burning, but these enhancers are designed to give you that quick start you're always so happy with where you turn the key and it's bloom! She takes right off. It's because that's fresh fuel, guys. There's a lot more than just gasoline there. Another thing is P.O.L. products in general for maintenance and operations. This is something that we are going to be short, no matter how hard you try. Start thinking ahead. I mentioned coffee filters earlier. Now remember, crankcase oil is going to be laying around in a lot of wreckage. Is it our first choice? No. But is it better than running dry? Well, with many systems I would say yes. Again, we're not going to bathe anything in that automotive oil, but we may need something to assist. especially in situations where you have very finicky weapons that typically require lubricant on a large scale. I would point out that a lot of the big heavier weapons that are belt fed typically require a very specific amount of lubricant and it needs to be replaced, or at least to begin it will be sloughing off, cooking off, it will need to be replaced. So, any oil is cool. If you end up with crankcase oil, here's the trick. Make up a sand and coffee filter. If you've got time, PVC pipe, a couple other tricks there that work, you can use it for water the same way. But Mr. Dollar Store Coffee Filters, where you can get that big pouch for like $50 for a dollar or $100 for a dollar, grab several of them, put them into coffee cans, and store them. Anybody throwing stuff like that out, you go to a resale shop and they're tossing those things out, grab them. They're going to yard sale, they're in the freebie bag, grab them. Filters are so, I mean it's something that we won't be able to get later. We're going to have to improvise and eventually homespawn. Other materials are going to be needed. We'll be using other improvised processes to include boiling off. The stock, there's a couple of different ways you can create little mini-cracking plants. That way the heavy element drops to the base of the catch pan. The other material is re-liquified and vaporized and then moves over to the second tank. It still retains its basic formula, but this allows you to pull a lot of the debris and detritus out. Not the first best way to go because you're using fuel that could be used for something else. When you can use gravity and a filtering system, that's a better choice. Other things, that 1911 sounded really good. Ammunition on the other hand, I've got everybody asking me. I'm serious, and moving around in town here, I've had people asking me where can I get 45 ammo. And it's like I told them, it's catch as catch can. There is 1911 ammo out there, ball, cheapest for the mostest, but that cheapest, cheap, cheap, cheap for the mostest isn't out there anymore. So the price, you know, look, shop around, let your fingers through the walking through the keyboard pages. and find the best price for the 45 ammo that you can and share it if you would please. I know that unammo.com has got some 45 ammo.ammoman.com had some 45 until just Yesterday, and I have not looked to see what they have right now, if they do, then I'm going to remind everybody that the resources available are limited. The Steelcase ammunition is going to be a mix. There is even some 45 Ukrainian Steelcase. Some is boxer primed. Some is I wouldn't toss any of that brass case or steel case away at all, guys, no matter what it is anymore. You all should know better than that, so I want to remind you there. Don, jump in there, please. What have you got for us this evening? Well, I want to go back to some standards here, you guys. If you're looking for a .50 caliber, Barry Watson over at Watson's Weapons builds the cheapest. true bolt-action 50 on the continent that is commercially available. You could build one and sell it cheaper, but well, good luck. At any rate, Larry Watson over at Watt Browning Machine Gun Chamber. Well, it won't be a machine gun chamber. You can call him on a couple of different chamber sizes, dbmground. His number is 95247. Again, 952-4721010. You can call him most business hours and he's over there in Wisconsin, not far from us, but you might even get Larry on the phone. If not, if you're looking for questions, hey, what would it cost to do this or how long would it take to have that or do you have these in stock? Give Larry Watson a call at Watson's Weapons, 952-472-1010. Now he'll build you a complete metal rifle. I'm sure that's what his entry level gun is. But he'll build some of those pretty target rifles that have laminated stocks or plastic stocks or maple or tiger woods. He'll do that for you, but again, you're going to pay more money for the fancy stuff. But those all steel guns are sending some small groups down range once you figure out the load for the gun, and we've addressed that before. You buy a 50 or you buy even a 30 caliber and you're reloading for yourself or you know that 308 or that 408 or that 338 Lapua. Well, you might shoot some pretty small groups with factory ammo and Skip Talbot used to say one out of 10 or one out of 11 guns dependent on the manufacturer might even shoot a smaller group than the other nine or ten. But you take that 1 in 10 or 11 and you tailor a load to it and the group will get even smaller. We've talked about you can get some pretty small groups with these steel guns, you guys, all steel, no wooden stocks and all this and that. Some of them are just welded right together and you don't have to worry or anything, which is one of the major points for building an all steel gun compared to the older traditional rifle. how do we hold this steel into this piece of wood and how do we keep it there over a length of time. We're looking for a different solution, Larry Watson over there at Watson's Weapons and again that number is 9524721010. I'll give it to you again in a little while because there's another reason to call Larry Watson at Watson's Weapons. at 952-472-1010 because it also has the cheapest upper on the planet. That's a 50 caliber upper that will allow you to pin it to your AR lower. peruse the product there. With that in mind, that's pretty much the 50 caliber world. You've got your pencil out, you wrote that number down right. We should have Larry Pratt back on the hour here in the next little while and I'll have to work on that real quick, Mark. But if you are interested in belonging to the gun owners of America, one way to do it is over the phone. You can do it on the internet and you know, you can do it by snail mail, but you can do it over the phone by dialing 7 0 3 3 1 8 5 8 5. Again that's 7 0 3 1 8 5 8 5. And that will get you right into Gun Owners of America there and Eddie or I can't remember who else answers the phone there. Somebody will answer the phone and tell you all about the Gone the North of America, the hardest working gun rights group in America these days, at least in my opinion. But, you know, there are those that say, well, we don't have a whole lot of money for this or that. A little bit of money for the micro effect. We got to do that while we're here. So I thought I'd bring that to the hour too. So the micro effect, you know, we go out of there in the morning for three hours in the morning and they've been kind of under attack. and they're kind of hurting so they're shooting up a flare so we're looking to answer the call there, aren't we Mark? In fact, again for everybody out there listening, don't forget the micro effect, Joe McNeil, PO Box 164, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, that's Joe McNeil, PO Box 164, Kami'i, Idaho 833, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami'i, Idaho 83536, Kami for everybody out there if you could drop a couple dollars in the mail. I don't care if you were listening during the morning or afternoon. This is part of the cooperating as allies, people who are like mine. We need to get this done. Bad guys think they're going to separate somebody and do damage to them. We're going to make sure we use the tools we've always used. There's plenty of different ways to get the job done. You all know how to do it, so let's get it in motion. I would point out that Watson's weapon is .50 caliber and I want to go too far from that right now. Guys, the .50 caliber uppers especially are the most economical way to go and there are tons of different solutions in the lowers. Ares Armor has aluminum lower receiver, 80% blanks. There are other Polymer receiver blanks out there. Entreiter, everybody thought they didn't grab them all. In fact, just to reverse, there's a whole bunch of, there's five or six different Polymer uppers out there. made by a handful of different companies, not all the same. The same is true with the completed ARs. In fact, right now, between, well first of all for ammunition, just to get stuff on the shelf, and you know the problem is, I'm looking and this is really making me wonder, okay good, they didn't sell it all yet. But they're down to five boxes. They have the aircraft 50 caliber. Now they got several different loads of 50s, so you don't have to panic here and say, oh my god, they're selling out. But there are certain loads I do like. One of them, which I would say would be my first priority, 100 rounds at $2.90 a piece, because it's 100 rounds of 50 BMG API. That's one of my favorite loads. Punch a hole in them, shred and burn, and if there's something burnable there, It goes, ck, ck, ck, boom! Actually it goes, ck, you hear that? CKK! And then it's ck, ck, ck, and BOOM! This is how it sounds. Guys, when you hear that front distance, you know you pop the cork on that one, you know what I mean? If you have ever fired on trucks or soft skinned vehicles with a 50 you know what I am talking about or with an M60 with a whole bunch of tracer. Well guess what this API is Armor Piercing and Incendiary. Now this was originally developed early in World War II. for the purpose of delivering, shall we say, more remarkable damage to the Japanese aircraft that didn't have self-sealing fuel tanks. The idea was to dump so many tracer and so much API in and once you did a good shred on the tanks with an API between the tracer and every follow-up API, guess what? She was going to burn. Shout down in flames. That's why you see all those flaming wrecks because the Japanese were slow to incorporate self-sealing tanks into any other systems. It would have been a simple process and saved a whole lot of experienced pilots by the way, but since they didn't do that, well hey, that was good for us, bad for them. There aren't really any self-sealing tanks out there and most anything you'll see in the field right now. Very little of anything out there truly has that kind of protection. So the armor piercing incendiary would be my first choice for 100 rounds right off the back because it's about $3 a round. Can't really beat the price. They also have tracer, $3 a round. It's $290 for 100 rounds. Well you know, about $3 we'll say. They've got M33 ball. 100 rounds. This is newer ammunition factory and that is Let's see, $360 for 100 rounds of Lake City 2013 and then they of course have some American Eagle BMG that's Lake City. It's a 660 grain FMJ XM33 round again, $360, so $3.60 per round for the ball ammo, which means, wait a minute, I can buy the... Now I wouldn't shoot it. Now please, I know this is what people are tempted to do. The ball amylase for training, the specialized rounds are for combat. Does everybody understand that? Do not shoot the AP. Don't shoot the incendiary tracer or the tracer whatever it is. There are a whole bunch of mixes out there but don't waste those right now. Trust me they work just like your other 50 caliber ball rounds. They are just prettier when they hit. Well, you'll find a different drop on them after 100 yards. Almost every 50 caliber round, be it an AMAX or an Israeli ball, American ball, armor piercing from America or China, almost every one of them will shoot within two inches at 100 yards. Some of them within an inch and 100 yards. You'd be amazed. You'd think, man, I'm going to go out and take this American-built ball and I'm going to go win the national championship. I'm going to go shoot seven-inch groups all day long. but you can't really print a 50 caliber at 100 yards because the bullet hasn't even really gone to sleep yet, so to speak, found its spinning axis settled. Yes, like a top. If you want to start to get an idea of how your 50 caliber is going to print at long distance, you need at least a piece of paper 200 yards away. So by that time, you're going to see the difference in the drop between a higher velocity or a heavier, slower bullet. When you start to really pitch them out to range 800 to 1,400 yards, there's a great difference between that AMAX, which is the bullet, the drag coefficient of a Mach 3 jet, round nose or that semi-round nose of the ball or piercing. But as you pointed out before, Mark, that American produced armor piercing for a production bullet for a military bullet. You're going to get the smallest groups out of that. And they still have some of the AP. They only have five cans left. It's 265 rounds in the belt and that's $775. World War II armor piercing but it's all AP. The whole belt is AP. So however they load it, they decided to load that up. It's in sealed tins. World War II. Twin Cities Arsenal and that's another option but those are available through and you take a look at what it is you can afford and look at UNAMMO.COM Again, as Don pointed out, we've got to find out where your weapon's printing. Use the ball ammunition for that. There's two types of, there's M33 and the XM33 which is an additional production lot. That's what that is going there guys. Lake City XM33 round and then the later M33 round. In fact, the M33 round is dated 2013, so that's last year. Lake City Productions. Again, take the time, go through this, that will give you your ammunition. Watson's weapon for that upper, and then go shop around and build yourself a lower. You can buy an FFL, the AR-15 lower if you're answering about that. Go ahead, there's stripped ones all over the place. Prices vary, but you can get a basic model. Probably for about $48 to $65 if they have them in stock. And those would be aluminum. Progressively you can be very patient. I wouldn't worry too much about the pistol grip. I would go the cheapest you could there. The buttstock, well, they quit out. It's a personal choice, but I'd go a solid stock on that because of the 50 if you can. A variable or adjustable rear stock is nice, but if you do that, remember I'd probably go a little heavier or heavier gauge, a little more expensive model simply because again, it's going to give you a little more tug at the shoulder when it does function. So we want to make sure we don't have anything sliding around or moving on us while we're using the weapon. An elephant killer compared to a poodle shooter. Yeah, exactly. Oh, that had to hurt. Looks like you're all carrying really strange looking air 15s really big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they only have to hit you once. They don't have to hit you 10, 15, 20 times. See, that's the other cool thing about it is you can still carry that other upper to use with that 50 caliber air 15, you know, with the lower. So, you can switch them out as you need to. So remember that a paratrooper pack for that 50 caliber upper could be built that's armored and transportable to get it into the theater, the area of operation, and you could switch it out accordingly if you're a rifleman. But if you end up with a problem or lack of ammo, all you do is drop the lower, put it into the transport can, drop the lower from the upper, put the other CAR-15 or shorty AR or standard whatever you've built. Out of your backpack, that goes on the rifle or comes off the side of the backpack actually. And then congratulations, you got yourself an AR-15 and everybody else's mag is working your gun. It is a nice package in that respect. We've always joked, you know, the AR-15, it's a piece of junk, but it's a neat piece of junk. Stoner wasn't stupid. He was a very wise, bright man. He knew exactly what he was building. They didn't listen to him when he built it, but he was a wise, bright man. He knew how to do things, okay? So the weapon is a 150. Yeah, exactly. So what we need to do is again, we're looking at these .50 cal rifles if you can't. Now another thing you brought up down is money. Guys, if there are 10 of you, pitch in and buy one. We have got one in your group. Yeah, that one weapon totally changes the dynamic of your unit's performance. Everyone will learn to. Love to shoot again. Honest to gosh, it's like starting to shoot all over again when you pull the trigger. and you look up over the gun and you look back down through the sight and then you see the impact. That's not an exaggeration. Again, the important thing here is you're putting a big bullet down range where it needs to be or especially if you have targets of opportunity where you have clusters of idiot infantry, knuckle dragging black uniform goons trying to kick in the door of a house because they're going after the weapons listed in Connecticut. Well, when you've got a cluster of them, the idea is again, try to line up accordingly. If you have to, let's not forget that if they're on a slope, you don't aim for the butt of somebody if the next guy is up the slope a little way at hip level. That's where you actually aim for shoulders. Go through the shoulders, then that goes through that character, through the butt cheeks of the other. Maybe if you're lucky, even catch the next guy in the ankle or something. Always remember that line up and try to do as much damage with these heavy bullets as you can and Armor or no armor. It's not going to slow it down enough to count for anything Just remember that that's one cool thing about these 50s and the bad guys they'll brag it up. Oh, they're going to steal everything from America There was a question asked about Connecticut and Rhode Island in the second hour And I recommend everybody watch that Rhode Island rat basically telling the firearms owners to go squeak yourselves In other words, it was this big snot short rat face, you know, ferret teeth, you know, big lip piece of trash. Watch him, it's only a minute and one second to watch the video and put it on still and look at his face. That's your enemy. That's who's doing this to you. And they come out in the light and they get puffed up and then they go scurry back into their rat holes, okay, inside the government buildings. So everybody take time to look at that. Watch what's happening in Rhode Island. Pay attention to what's happening in New Jersey. Because of that, the bad guys are going to get stupid. They're trying to claim something else. They're lying. These characters follow the orders of these ring knocking slobs left, right, up, and down. In fact, I've pointed out time and again, isn't it amazing how these people who say they're so conservative and they're for this and that and the other, when the leftist slash the communist get in power, all these nutcases of the black uniforms go stupid crazy. They really do. We watch this over and over again. They go stupid crazy. So all these idiots like back when Bush was in it go, well, we're going to pass the Patriot Act. Well, yeah. And are you going to be in power forever? Well, what difference does that make? Oh, don't worry. You'll find out. So then we have the same fools whining because, well, let's see. What did they do with the IRS? Did they use that to attack the people who were trying to be the opposition to Obama? Oh, they did, didn't they? Wow, I guess that police state BS really should have been put in the bottle and kept there where it was, shouldn't it? So there's an example of dunderheads, idiots, and incompetence and why we shouldn't be listening to them in the first place. The 50 caliber issue and how it ties in here heavy weapons brought forward need to be applied especially in the early phases where you have clusters of doofs and clusters of goofs, okay? And the reason is very obvious the bad guys are going to be stupid enough their arrogance level is high Let's hope it continues and we don't want it to change In fact be as arrogant as they can puff right up all they want. We prefer that they do Now, the other thing about this, supporting that 50 is again a volume fire or security weapon. You know, and I've noticed this down everybody, you know, that one of the things that you see in most of the sketches and drawings in artwork from the Vietnam and post Vietnam era always shows whoever was supporting the guy with the dragon off or the M21 or whatever sniper rifle is always carrying a shorty. It's almost like he's got a big one. I got a little one now granted I understand the idea is quick turnaround in motion or whatever but if the rifleman if the sniper first of all is constantly using his brain He is selecting his location based upon the performance and the geometry of his weapon Okay barrel length, you know swing side, you know being able to apply or change the you know for the the target acquisition within a very narrow band of shooting lane or whatever uh... but that doesn't mean that the uh... car the assistance secured the security man the assistant gunner should be in any way shape or form under gunning himself Now, and I know immediately when I said this, guys in the M4 slash the CAR-15s would go, bar, why did my rifle reach this like it? Well, I know it will. But remember, one of the things that this rifle will support individual, you know, the security man slash the assistant, you know, loader, ammo bearer, whatever term you want to use in whatever army, his job is to try and reach and, you know, support and maintain control in the perimeter, in the peripheral area of the target point for the primary gunner. primary targeting targets at that range also yes, and that's why reducing the performance your weapon is an error he may provide your bracketing support he may provide cover support because that's the only area of Contact and the ability enemy has the ability to return fire with one weapon system or another and The objective behind that security gun is to suppress that in some cases and typically again You're not going to sit in a sniping position and duke it out You're going to fire, in fact ideally you're going to have mapped out your battlefield already so that you move from position to position, back to the strongest point in a network that you've already mapped out mentally. In other words, fire You may fire a second time from the first position in what is considered the confusion phase or the confusion cycle after that first bullet is going down range. But remember, the longer you stay in one place, the sooner somebody is going to figure out where to go, poo! You're going to hear that poo in the distance. And you know what? People got real good at doing better at finding places to drop stuff. So the idea is fire and forget. Fire and forget. However, in the event that for some reason there may be some unexpected activity, that spotter slash assistant loader, gunner, security man needs to be prepared to provide reduction or again security fire while you want RCAO. Remember it still takes it, you know like at 600 to 800 to 1000 yards it takes longer for that bullet to get there. So one of the policies is actually to dump a two or three fast tap group down range. Now one of the other things I would point out if you're carrying a 308 as opposed to a 223 Everybody on the battlefield has an ear. And when you hear three rounds coming down range behind each other, pup, pup, pup, especially when they're in a main battle rifle caliber, your first assumption is that's a belt-fed gun. Think about that. Now what do you think is going to concern somebody more? Certainly that 50 caliber when they hear the, after the bullets already crashed into the target down range. But if all of a sudden somebody has a really good idea, maybe they've got something they're carrying that's belt fed and they can actually reach back and touch almost comparably, not 50, I'm talking a MAG 58, an M60, a Browning machine gun, whatever variance is out there in a .308 support weapon. Remember that if you can start to suppress them immediately and change their mental perspective on what's going on, everything changes up their attitude about how to fight. Now, all that three rounds does is goes down range, obviously into a general target area, you're going to try and hit something, but you're breaking contact too just as quickly. And the idea is to force them to give you two, three, five, six, maybe another 10 seconds worth of motion. That's enough to move from the position that's going to receive fire. And that's the purpose behind that security man. Again, every time that you change position or depending upon how good you are and how good you get at controlling that weapon and how you've outfitted it, 3 and 5 round bursts are not unheard of and treating your weapon like a BAR instead of like a light rifle or I should say like a main battle rifle is an option. Again, psychology. The other side is worried about the idea that if you all of a sudden if you do have a belt fed support weapon out there it's going to do what it's supposed to do which is creating cones of destruction and engaging area targets. So this is why those heavier weapons are actually more desirable in support of that heaviest of weapons in your unit if they work as a two-man hunter team in conjunction with other two-man hunter teams. Just something to put into the formula. Remember I've said this before, if you don't have the weapons that are supposed to be part of your TO&E because you simply don't have a belt-fed squad gun, you don't have a saw, Well guys, you better figure out how to improvise, adapt, and overcome temporarily. That doesn't mean making something full auto. It means being a master of the weapon you have so you can create the impression. Those 75 round drums are a good solution. Those big 40 round mags on those AKs and ARs are a good solution. The big drums now that they have four, the HK, the M14 and the FNFAL, they work flawlessly. Of course they do cost $200 so they better. You know what I mean? If I spend $200 and $240 on some it's thinking better work. I'm not going to be a real happy camper there, you know what I mean? So again, those weapons can be applied in a way that creates a very deceptive situation that's positive for you and let's just say, angsting for the other side. Have you ever heard shots from a shotgun rattle who leaves? Have you ever been hunting and your friend shoots a bird or a rabbit that's running to your quarter or flying off to your side? and you hear that zip through the leaves, let's do the same thing. When we think about things like the right tool for the right job or if you're caught in a particular place, when that guy is taken aim with the heavy gun and ranges aren't real long, send a short burst of 22 right into the target area and when they impact or when they fly through, People don't know if it's 22 or... You don't want to stick your head up and find out. It's not like the Terminator movie where you can stick your hand out for a distraction and draw back your hand and look through it. Oh well, I'm a machine. It doesn't work like that. Poly-metal alloy. Yeah. When a number of bullets rattle into a target, you know, small space of time... Hey, that's that's pretty good for what one might call suppression fire and if you get up with it I'm sorry about the pressure that getling gun kit for the 10 oh yes actually for the 1022 and also for the Remember that there you'll see these on occasion. There was just an auction where somebody had one of the twin pack a K getlings There was a company, a guy out of Ohio, there were two guys that used to be at the different Ohio shows and they were making the twin gun Gatling in AK or SKS. Both of them worked flawlessly. All it is is, again, they can't say anything about it because it was a well-machined fixture that held two and cradled two AK-47s side by side. and all it did is articulate a set of bumpers that when you crank the wheel each of the pistons would pull the trigger alternately between one AK and the other and with a 75 round drum they were really cool but remember back in the day there were 100 round drums and they actually put two 100 round drums on the basic model for display and that's a lot of fire power. That's a vehicle I consider to see those more for vehicle mounts. The Ruger 10-22 although you can, infantry carried is fine but when you got something that can offer that kind of fire power stabilizing it on a weapons platform of some kind is really nice. You know we're putting it on a vehicle or an APC something like that and you know you don't just bounce around and just spray and pray. The idea is stop and engage, aim and engage but dump a burst, a saturation burst onto the target. 22 at close range, at intermediate it's losing a lot of energy. Of course it still will keep everybody's head down, which is again, suppression fire. The big thing is that you can also do that though with other weapons. That's my point, is with any number of different weapons that have a larger drum, quick and improvised processes can be developed. I would not cut and hack and change seers. I'm going to say something about that over and over again. Your weapon works flawlessly. Your weapon also, if it's a semi, was actually built to be a semi per all kinds of regulations which we aren't going to care about once the war starts. But it's the idea that that weapon wasn't built for that kind of modification. So you're taking a perfectly functional firearm and altering it in a way that's unnecessary. Just one point to back you up on that, Mark. You have your class 3 permit and you've got your M16 there and man you're just real happy with it and you've got bucket loads and train loads of ammunition behind you and all you do is squeeze the trigger and listen to it sound like an automatic typewriter and you want it to cycle faster? Put an AR15 bolt in it. Why? Because the AR15 bolt is lighter. It isn't built to take that beating back and forth and well the M16 will cycle faster with the lighter bolt from the AR-15 in it but that doesn't mean that the the bolt might last as long in a machine gun application. It doubles down on what Mark is telling you. Well, the other thing is, like you're saying, with the Ruger 10-22 solution, the neat thing is that that's an add-on, so there's a little piston. There's the accelerator, there were several different companies that made them, and they're a little crank that actually operates the weapon as quickly as you want to crank it, that'll determine your cyclic rate. But the good thing is there's no changing of the internal mechanism of the weapon. If you want something to select fire, take it off the warm, dead corpse you just made. You're going to have to earn it. Your weapon already functions. See, this is one of the things that gets me is a lot of people have spent some really nice money on some semi-automatic weapons that really are tack drivers. Keep them that way. Right from the get-go we should be thinking one round, one socialist. One round, one socialist. One round, from the beginning. Not later on. You always see this later on when everybody's in trouble. Oh, a short ammunition, one round, one German. Remember that was the Poles in World War II. Well, how about we don't get into that situation by starting out by trying to hit rather than scare? That's where only a limited number of weapons need to be suppression weapons. That little Ruger 10-22 with a crank on it. One designated rifleman with an RPK length barrel and a 75 round drum and a quick trigger finger. You won't know the difference. Remember that again the Russians in the squad use an RPK with a stick or a drum mag. They don't use a belt fed gun in the squad. The support section has the belt fed guns or it's assigned from the weapons section and works constantly with the squad. But the squad automatic weapons in each fire team are RPKs. Used to be RPDs, those were belt fed. But the RPK is a magazine fed, just a long barrel copy of the AK everybody else carries. So the cool thing is just think about applying your semi-auto gun for now the same way with a quick trigger finger. Later on, you pull out of their warm, dead hands because it's easier to pick it out that way. Don't wait until they get cold. Take it from the warm, dead corpse and apply all their goodies to the bad guys next to them. And then you can use Select Fire at your discretion and all their ammunition is typewriting out for you. But I wouldn't switch out yet. There's a couple reasons. There are some tricks. Right now they are as old as the semi-automatic rifles that are military that have been in service. One is a little piece of toothpick with the M1 Garand. A lot of guys know this. In Korea where they had lots of Chinese to kill and they started to lose BARs. What they would use for rear guard is a couple of, again, kept the BARs farther back. But for the guys who were close close, they used a toothpick. Now there are two seers on the M1 Garand Trigger Group. There are also two seers, remember front and back on the M14. Now if you don't modify anything, that little piece of toothpick, if it's cut to the little beyond the width of the system, sits right in a certain place and then what happens is only one sear works. You don't want to do this if you can help it because let's just put it this way. An 8 round dee clip goes in the mouth. It empties. It doesn't stop until it's gone. It doesn't stop until it's gone. But what they were doing with these is laying them and two rear guard infantry men or several would use the garands in the last minute like that with ones that were already set up and they would just burn 8 round dee clips as quick as they could throw another one in and they'd be gone. You think I might have seen this before? Hint, hint, hint. Ok, so we know it works, but I know it works because the men who taught us to do that were the men who had to use it to save their lives. But I would not be hacking, sawing, or chopping, or modifying any of our existing rifles. There's no need to. And again, how much did you spend on that perfectly fine weapon to tune it to where it needs to be? I'm not trying to spray and scare. I'm trying to hit and kill. The more that I hit and kill, the fewer that come back to talk to me later on in any way, shape or form trying to surrender, trying to explain how they were following orders, we're going to make sure that they follow their orders to their death. You're goring. Yeah, he's gone. He's dead. He's not coming back to talk to me. I'm not going to talk to him. I'm going to kill him. That's how everybody needs to be thinking. I'm not going to discuss this. This is not a conversation or a debating society. The debates are all over. When they come out for the guns, we have to wipe them out. We have to destroy them completely. We have to be thinking that way from the get-go. And we have the ability to do this. Now there are times when volume fire also will be very handy, like we said during the cluster defense. If they're coming in on that big, long snake line, I'll tell you what, pulling up behind them with a whole bunch of fire power and just riding right up that line, right up their bung holes, is kind of nice. There are occasions where volume fire is especially desirable. This is why you want to buy a 75 round drum for every one of your AKs. If you can buy the drum with the AK center fire, we will give you the drum for $50 rather than $70 or $80 if you buy it with the gun. So take advantage of that. The other thing is, remember that anything you can get a Big Mag for, that is a military or factory mag that works. Remember, don't just buy for the fun of it. Again, each weapon should have something like that that gives you the maximum number of rounds available. Even our 1911s, I don't carry gobs and gobs of 11 round mags or 15 round mags for the 1911. I carry two 11 round mags and then the rest are all 7 and 8 shots. Mostly 7 shots because I bought them back when they were $2 apiece. So you're not going to see a whole lot of 8 rounders until I pick some up off or round some others up from someplace. Otherwise, it's going to be bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, b Now I'm the 7 round mags. Congratulations. But if I had to dump a bunch of rounds in, that's what the bigger mags are for during that initial brush contact. I might be the one in front or the people in front that are keeping them busy while they don't notice it to their rear. They're getting stuck up the arse with .308, .30-06, .12 gauge. You're getting hosed down with 12 gauge semi-autos. Yeah, that'd be cool. See, there's all kinds of variations in the formula. The big thing is that when they do come, When they do attack, we have a policy of annihilation. That's where on occasion volume fires are desirable, but it needs to be with reliable systems. We start chopping and hacking on stuff. Remember this, guys. We create technical problems. Do you have the ammunition to sufficiently and do you have the opportunity to test sufficiently? Anything you may have modified? Probably not. You see, so modifying is not a good choice. Reliability over anything else will eventually allow you to incorporate volume fire by the very nature of the reliability of the weapon. If you can keep pulling the trigger and she keeps functioning, that's the focus. Now then I can go out and go no that's tires mine as the other guy standing there She goes no that's tires mine, and then I have to walk you know boys boys. Don't worry There's five stars here There's only four of you somebody can even take an extra one now pick the corpses and let's go on with business come on See how that works you can all have a styer no no don't fight over that come on Everybody take a short barrel will leave the long barrel squad gun for you know dibs later. How's that sound? So there were... Yeah, but I want the next SIG. Yeah, exactly. evening in the forest. Right now when I'm recording this, it's in the daytime. Our setting is near a stream, and it's a mixed hardwood softwood forest in southeastern United States. Pretty cold. The blanket of frost, I'm sure if you're listening now, has descended upon many of your areas. Make sure you're keeping warm. And if you're listening to this in the future, we've got some folks training, so you may hear some gunshots. In the future, you may be listening to this at a warm time of year. 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