March 14, 2014
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1h 1m
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Thatcher discussed night vision equipment, specifically the transition from green screen to white phosphor first-generation devices by year's end, and emphasized the importance of proper storage and weatherproofing. They reviewed ammunition and magazine deals at Academy Sports, advocating for bulk purchases of magazines and ammunition as preparedness essentials. Callers contributed perspectives on training with lower-quality magazines, weapon platform choices including the High Point and SKS, and the value of .22 rifles for accuracy and portability.
- night vision
- first generation
- white phosphor
- magazines
- ammunition
- preparedness
- ar-15
- high point
- sks
- academy sports
- pelican cases
- fort bragg
- weapon training
- shot placement
- .22 rifle
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And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic in each God-given right. And pray to God, get the torture freedom burning bright. As I awoke he'd vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God-given rite, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, is distill the land of the free? Afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is the first hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Curkey. And I'm Don Thatcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and north. Well ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, Run the NFL, TalkRadio.com, and Run the NFL, my station, CB, base stations, and alternate technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the Hallmark Network on the Eastern Seaboard, from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd, 5th pit and our friends in the recall state of Colorado, waving the left coast, where we have the great state of Jefferson, turn them back to the east, we sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the Smoky slash the Blue Ridge, where the restaurant crews, Grandma teams, OK teams, and the Marvell Grandma Consortium of retired telecommunications workers, bringing us the Golden Spike. It's been warm, it is melting out there, all the snow that was on the table is gone. But that's on the south side of the house and you know, it's in the sunshine all day. But otherwise, it is beautiful, it's wet, it's muddy, it's snowy, all the way we usually have plenty of snow. What's it like to put your neck in the woods and what is this day to day, sir? Well Mark, it is. the 14th day of March, year of our Lord 2014. It's windy, which is lifting a lot of the moisture that's evaporating from the snowpack. Hooray! But it's so windy that it's not foggy, but if it's calm in the morning and still this temperature or near it, the sight lines will be very short. And speaking of sight lines on this, the 14th day of March. I just saw, as you did the run-up mark, a picture of the Skycam, northern Michigan channel, whatever here, Skycam that's positioned to look at the straights at the Mackinac Bridge and it's zero visibility there. Beautiful day here, 88% of the sky, 92% of the sky is clear, windy, and again it's probably much the same down there all the way here you've got some snow, but that's Michigan for you. Much like Florida, it can be a beautiful day in the Keys and at the top, rain is coming in, but that's the at any rated as the 8th day of March. the ogle races muddy and up to their eyeballs in water because it's melting but not that much anyway everybody's gonna be out on the range getting wet sounds like to me along with fox and also uh camp wolf, they're open. They're going to be operational for the weekend so guys take your wet weather gear. The cool thing is we are cool. We have nice weather as far as the temperature goes, probably lose it when the sun goes down, but we're getting a good breeze. So that's pulling the moisture up off the ground to a degree. That just means it's going to get dropped on somebody else, rain or more snow. But that also helps to take off a lot of this moisture that would cause flooding otherwise. Still going to get flooding, that's inevitable, but the level will vary. That's the way it goes. So anyway, for everybody else out there, again, Don has technology available. Don, you have night vision. How can we get hold of you? And what do you have available, sir? Please. Hey, chronologically, the phone number is 2317968458. That'll get you ahold of me. Again, 2317968458. We can talk about goggles or gun sight screens or thermal, or that white phosphor screen, you know, the guts of a video camera. We've talked about white light on your face. It's not technically very well off. We've addressed that. Green light would be far better. And we've also mentioned that by the end of this year, the green screen and first generation won't be available. It'll all be replaced by the little white phosphor screen. It would be good if you're looking in that direction for an entry-level first generation gun sight to procure one of those for your person presently. Get one while they're still around. That will live on top of your AR-10, your 223, your AR-10, your flat top, your handle. You don't need as much of a cheek weld as you would looking through a daylight scope because you're only looking at a two-dimensional image on this side of the device. You're looking at a little television screen. When you hold your head in a particular place and gain that zero, it's just there you go. You're looking at a television screen instead of through the device. So don't worry too much about it. Well, I got a flat topper, I got a carry handle. If you have a carry handle, I'd advise you to get the adapter that would continue to rail on top of that. It has a see-through tunnel underneath, so you can still use your iron sights. Granted, you've got the piece of night vision taking away portion of your overall sight picture, the area in front of you. But sometimes it's still good to fall back on those sights just through that little peephole, so to speak. Hey, that $400. site, write your mailbox. It didn't come out exactly in the order that I wanted. But that first generation gun site we've just been talking about will go into your mailbox for $400. My number is 231796. Write this down for a number of reasons. My number is 2319 for a number of other things if you want. Pay attention that can be brought up on the air. You know, hey Don, did you see this? I'm always, hey, you know, open to suggestion. That number is good for what's going on in your neck of the woods that we need to bring on the air Okay, that number is good for something that hey I just on the radio on occasion and this is another reason why I'm bringing this up because on occasion I'll get the call hey Don now I haven't got my night vision video yet And I'll read that relay that thought line over and pretty soon that person's got their night vision video again, there's a number of reasons and If you want to talk about night vision, that's the primary reason why this thought line was induced. And hey, we can talk about goggles or gun sight screens, screens or thermal. My phone number is 231-796-58. And you know, I do that to offer of... My number is 231-796. Thank you, Mark. Again, for everybody out there listening, Don, let's not forget, we've got a green screen change coming up here. It's a matter of who gets there first with what's left in the inventory, guys, because it is going to change. Explain to everybody about that again. That's what's in the archives, so people who pick up from different days are going to at least know what's going on. Please. Well, when we talk about green screen, that's basically the Most people think of night vision and what they see in Hollywood or what they see represented on the evening news. A lot of times evening news is going to be a little closer to what you see in Hollywood. But a green screen, it looks like a black and white television, only it's kind of green and white. That light that comes out of that device and rolls across your face, even if you bring many of the devices, in fact every gun sight will have a rubber verbuk to conceal as much light onto the ocular orb, that skull shape around your eye. At any rate, any light that escapes from that will be visible to the person who is looking at you. Whether he knows he is looking at you or not, all of a sudden you are walking through the woods and, what is that eerie looking green light over there? I don't know. That might bring someone who knows what they are looking at, bring you to their attention. Now again, this goes over to ranging and concealment. How long are you going to just look at something? And all kinds of other different factors come into this. But if you factor in a white light washing onto your face, that's what that's called, the light no matter what color. It comes out of the device and is presented onto your face. It's fiscally impossible for you to just say, I don't want that light there and then it doesn't happen. We can all agree on that. Now, you bring the device up to your gun site, you bring that rubber boot up to your eye and turn the device on and you're doing the best you can to conceal all of that light. First generation green screen, you know, the parameters that have just been mentioned, will be replaced with street calls for screen. And they've been edging that in and calling it first generation in order that it's gradually moved in. There's an example of gradualism, but they've been calling it first generation and alternative first generation, and they'll call it a white phosphor tube. Well, you're looking at a black and white television screen, and look at the behind you with your television green color or black and white, how much light is projected onto the wall. And when you imagine all of that white light on your face, or you're trying to contain it, When particular people are trained with binoculars, certain people will tell you this and some people will tell you that. But a lot of people, unless the binoculars, the front lens is so huge, like two or three inches, some huge front lenses, you can balance them at the back of the binocular and use a portion of your thumb onto the side, almost onto your temple. as reference and now you're concealing the outside light, the ambient daylight, so that you can concentrate on the image that's coming through the binoculars. You can use that same way, that same basic thought line with a monocular. But you can only conceal so much to keep the green light or in this instance the white phosphor tube, the television screen, so much white light off of your face. That white light is going to look like your face is on fire to someone with a piece of green screen very far away because white light, red light stands out to the infrared devices, green screen. I've mixed that word in there kind of on purpose because we talk about infrared too. When we talk about infrared, we're looking over at the FLIR heat devices. This is where it gets confusing because even green screen reads like infrared light. second generation more infrared. Third generation reads infrared and also the opposite end of the scale into ultraviolet. That's where third generation gets a little more of a boost above second generation performance. But it's not near the step up that it is from first to second generation. Now going back to that wash, that light from your face, Every first generation gun sight, viewer or binocular is going to be white light after the first of the year. But that might happen sooner. I was told by the end of this year, and we can determine from that, at the end of this year there won't be any more green screen first generation available. It will all be white phosphor, it will all be white light coming out of the device. You'll have to double up and triple up and all of those will have to be made and light discipline will become of utmost importance then because the white light again will look like an ear to someone with a piece of night vision but the white light will be a lot more visible to the naked eye than the green light at any kind of distance. You know it's kind of lighter even if you're looking at a first generation viewer, a first generation goggle that is a two tube system you guys can look at your feet. and walk. You see almost exactly like you're walking in the daylight because it is a two-tube system, but a very good sense of three dimensions of depth with a two-tube system. So in a moment, you can become accustomed to looking at where you're putting your feet with this night vision, a first generation two-tube goggle system, one tube for each eye, and it will come with head gear. You can learn to walk with that rather rapidly, but even that will be a white fire tube by the end of this year. If you want to talk about those devices, first generation is entry level, but entry level gets you in the air, so to speak. It allows you to look around at night. Again, for everybody out there, we are looking at a shift in the weather. Don't forget that, the way things are going. This also means protection of equipment. Don, if we have night vision equipment out there, typically how are the pieces of equipment delivered? Do we need to purchase additional weatherized technology to cover the equipment? What typically does the system come with a wave of carrier? We lose Don? I think we might have. She's been in outside since the top of the hour. uh... real quick down that we're not required to take your time on this number one depending on the equipment they do come with carrying cases covered you know transporters if we don't have one we need to be a quite one we're looking at uh... obviously we're going to be taking missing in the field guys so tran uh... transport cans of some kind of comic and but it can be a box case carrier whatever uh... what typically comes with them and again if they if it's not available then there are options out there correct all you have but we address this And this is a good point to bring because we addressed this about a year and a half ago. The company doing surveys to customers. Most customers that buy a gun site put it on the gun and they never put it back in a pelican case it was shipped in. So now the manufacturer is saying, well, we'll sell it to you at this price, in a nylon, you know, ballistic nylon carry bag. And if you want the case, they charge like a hundred bucks for a pelican case. So you guys, we can do better in the field in bigger cases and put more in them. unless you want to carry it on your back and that's all you put in it. But that's your choice there. It can get you a case, but we're going to pay for shipping and you'd be better off going down right to your hardware store or local sport gun shop and buying a waterproof case if you want to think about storing in that area. But most people that buy gun sights, they mount it on a gun. And most people that buy monoculars or binoculars when they go into the field it is readily available. That's the thought line that's captured from the manufacturer. My biggest source of green screen survey says. So that answers some upper things like you can order a PVS-7. That's because of that. You can get that in a hard case or you can get it in a bag. So that's a kind of flip of a coin right now. But look over to sports departments and gun stores. supply in the entry level mark is in a ballistic nylon bag. Very good. Again, for a lot of people there are pelican cases or hard cases that can be acquired. I would point out, by the way, and Donna, we haven't mentioned this enough, right now, Gov Liquidation guys, although again, we're looking at anywhere from 70 to 100 of these sold at a time, Gov Liquidation has been selling night vision transport carriers in waves right now. There's a big wave of them coming through again. I don't know if they're offering any. I haven't really looked that close through retail sales outlet, Uncle Sam's retail sales outlet, but somebody's got to be getting these large piles of them and should be offering them for a pretty good price. These are commercial pelican fiberglass armor, bird, watertight, there are several examples of them. Most of them are coming out of Fort Bragg, probably from the units there. That is a depot for a lot of the stuff like this. That's that particular area's expertise or interest for whatever reason. Probably there's one of many night vision maintenance operations around the country with the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, etc., located at Fort Bragg. and their piles are all the same container so the other option is, and these are designed to be fuel transport carriers guys. So that's another consideration. At least look at them to see what we're talking about. You can find them pretty quick. You won't find them typically under containers. That sounds weird. But most of them are listed under plastic scrap, under scrap, other than metal. And then you go to plastic. And then, wow, all these containers that should be over in the container section, Dom, are over in the scrap section. But they don't have to be destroyed. They're just being sold. Which is kind of strange whenever you go to containers. There's nothing there so just a warning for you guys there's a lot of this stuff out there and Especially if you're a unit guys you could buy 30 50 of these at a time and the price has only been about two three dollars apiece They've been going very cheap, but they cheap to go out and buy if you go by the name brand So I would recommend it. Of course they have the foam packing inside. Some have a cookie cutter fixture inside. They're cookie cutter cut out for a particular piece of night vision. But that can be easily supplemented, changed out or whatever. And the big thing is that these things are built to survive in the field. In fact, it's obviously where they were used. Overseas in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever else the Israelis want us to kill somebody. There's always some place new for the Israelis wanting America. to be pulled along by its weenie and kill somebody overseas. So, we can pretty well figure that's where these have been. They've been over in the sand at some point or another. What do you got George? What's going on? Well, I'm looking at the Academy website at the hot deal section. I don't know if it's a good deal. It says ProMag Colt AR-15.223 30-round magazines, $9.99. That is a good price. Those are Colt? Yeah, ProMag, Colt AR-15.223 30 round magazines. Are they metal or plastic? We'll find that out right now. Go into the description of the product. Oh, look at the details. No, because I... Well, I'll tell you what, here. Black phosphate steel. Very good. Okay, now here's what you can do. First of all, what's the website? Academy website, sports and outdoors. Okay, Raymond, give out the actual website, how it's written on the page. It's academy.com, go to Hot Deals. There we go. And you go to Hot Deals, you'll see it, and you click on it, and there's free shipping for it, I think. Very good. So academy.com and then the super deals slash I'd say clean them out and send a message. Well, right now it's interesting. There's been a series of articles there up on the internet. I haven't even had a chance to go through all of them. There's been a flurry of articles this afternoon on Connecticut, guys. and most of them are all damage control pieces by the bad guys trying to go back to sleep go back to sleep we're not really trying to we're not really trying to take the guns even though we told you we were go back to sleep yeah I don't think so everybody's pretty well wide awake and looking at you now so yeah buy more mags pick up more ammunition that's really really what we need to see happen right now guys I'm seeing a lot of a 308 Winchester 168 grain Center fire ammunition They're on the page to its hot deals and even though I've got a lot of savages savage weapons on a hot deal section So if you go to shooting the shooting tab where it says hunting shooting You're fine. No, I got some pretty good deals at the Academy You know really don't want to support the enemy's camp. Hello. Very good What about And in the sales section right off the bat, top of your head there with what you were seeing, any other mags available? Well, I'm looking at, you scroll the bottom it says top sellers, you got the Torus 6 round magazines, World Model 738 pistols, 6 Sauer SP2022 and SP20099mm 15 round magazines. Okay, very good. Well, no, but they got like the top sellers along with it. Right. Well, the thing there again, there are certain mags that are becoming harder to find. Certain models of the sig mags are actually drying up too, which is kind of interesting. I won't say they're odd man out because there are a lot of people that have bought sigs. But I would point out that in scouring the countryside, Several of the Ruger mags in the newer models have virtually disappeared. Several of the Sig mags, they're not quickly being replaced. Only because there's not as many aftermarket options. At least there would be something out there. The problem is if you have a certain caliber, 9mm or 40 caliber, it varies from gun to gun. If it's the .40 cal that's the odd man out for lesser production, they're already dried up and they're not building more right away. If it's the .9 that's the shorty, you know, there were a few of them made, again, they're not focusing on the odd man out caliber for that particular frame, whatever it is. So beware on that if you're a shooter and you bought one of these unique guns. If you can get mags right away with the gun, I would buy at least two, two if at all possible, and ideally four. If they have FairMags. It's $7.99. Polymer mags work and again for dump mags if they're cheaper that's what goes in the dump bag. Make sure that it functions, load it up. When the time comes that's the mag you're going to drop. Not your better mags or more expensive mags. The less expensive mags because everybody always says well that's a cheap mag. Well it's only got a cycle once if I'm in a breakout situation guys. In other words, that's why originally when the Israelis made plastic mags years ago, they made them, they were total clunk of chunks. And of course they would say, oh, they're Israeli mags, we've got to buy them. Well, the first thing that they found out is after they used them extensively, they split in two. It's like this. You feel bad about leaving it behind, but you feel 30% less bad about leaving it behind. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that's really the point here. The Israeli mags, the Kwanka Junks, they actually had to build, I don't know if you've noticed this guy's, but the Israelis for the throwaway mags, this is how stupid this gets. On the one hand they were going to save money on the throwaway plastic mags, but then they had to make a clamshell to put around the mags because they were considered not reliable otherwise. So if you'll notice out there in the surplus industry, if there's several of the companies offer the magazine boxes to put the magazines in because, and it wasn't for the average air 15 mag, it was for the Israeli punkajunk mags. And the only thing to remember when the Israelis made these, they were planning on these being dropped. This was for their assassin crews and for their mirroring crews. During the Phoenix program when SEALs went out to murder people, when they went out to exterminate people, a lot of times they made mistakes. Many times they got the wrong person. And I know a lot of people who were in that program who really had a lot of problem with that after the war. Okay? Because they, well, they were zealous. Now... The policy was you didn't save a mag, guys. You loaded up piles of mags, you fired it up and dropped it, you fired it up and dropped it, you fired it up and dropped it. That was the policy. But the mags, those were standard factory and of course regular military mags like everybody else had. What the Israelis were looking at, you know, the two rabbis usually grabbing the penny and turning it into real fine copper telephone wire. Well, the idea was why are they going to throw them? the mags away for these assassins quads why don't we make a GP1? Well wait let me throw it, we're not throwing the expensive stuff away. And that's how the Israelis came up with the throw away mags, the Palomir mags. And again they were a clamshell, they had a very defined casting line because of the way they were put together. One of the things that mag pull in the other, if you look at their designs, The new extrusion processes or spending more money on a better mold has produced a better polymer mag along with using better chip, you know, researching and finding better polymers to utilize. These polymers have been available forever. They really aren't brand new, new, new or some new idea. It's just that there's a wide spectrum of plastics that have always been available but the issue is cost. Well, since production has gone up or lack of interest was down in a particular area, that's why people moved towards that plastic. Then they found out it really worked well. They start cranking out more. Price may fluctuate, but because it went into volume production, that also keeps the cost down. Not for the mags. I'm just talking for the plastic chip that's used to make the mags. And then there are other factors tied into this. But again, manpower costs, et cetera. Hours cost for labor, et cetera, that kind of thing. There's an old formula for how much it costs to put that mag out of the end of the factory. But this is one more deal, and I'm going to let you go ahead and don't. There's another one. Like I said, if you find a page where the mag is, there's Like I said, the top sellers, there's another one. Red Jacket Firearms AR-15, M16, 30 round, Aluminum Magazine, $9.99. Yeah, I like the steel. I like aluminum. We've got both. I've bought both for years. But the idea you can get steel for the same price as aluminum, I try to go with steel. If I was again looking at aircraft or certain operations or older troops or younger people, plastic and aluminum mags, I would prioritize those towards the people that are restricted. Every ounce you can shave off is another ounce that will less burden them. Not necessarily going to be carrying more. Although, again, typically the case if you're a bruiser, the lighter it is, the more you can carry. So it's a mathematical formula, everybody's got to work out. The alloy ones are cool, everybody's carried about one time or another, steel bodies are out there in force. uh... but i really do like to the new ones that are stainless that have been the uh... you know finish coat on them because stainless not a whole lot you can do and you won't have to worry as much about what we've been seeing with a lot of these mags even though you've a lot of guys have polymer followers there are a lot of guys still using metal metal followers and it doesn't have to be the follower that rust to the sidewall magazine springs will rust to the sidewall because they're not really that high uh... you know they don't have a really great finish for the outer surface and they're a fairly fine surface area. and because they do work up and down they wear on the outside wall contact area and if they get in any kind of moisture and you don't do any maintenance if it's a conventional steel sidewall, yes they will rust and they'll rust right there and even though the follower will move a little bit you've got to break those springs away from the sidewall on the inside of the magazine so that's another reason that stainless or you know even aluminium isn't a bad thing aluminium oxidizes but in a different way As we know, and it takes more time to get it there in some ways because usually the anodized finish is pretty resilient. Anyway, George, thank you very much, sir. Well, I heard other callers behind you. Yep, and we got another caller there. Who do we have? Hey, what's up? Me and you here. I just wanted to quick comment. You know, off to my, I marked my mags. I know which ones are which. You can put something on the bottom or or whatever you need to do. But I like to, you know, and I have the guys sometimes trained with mags that I know that have issues with them because I'd rather have them train and go through the procedures of clearing their gun at that time. And that's a good time to use those mags that, you know, may not be, you know, a higher quality or function for whatever reason they should 100% of the time. to bring it out so you shouldn't throw away these mags. I see some people just kidding. Those are the ones that you should actually, if you got the nice mag pull mags, those are going to stay and will operate 99% of the time properly. Maybe you got some older mags. Use those to train because you can't do enough times practicing up there and you've got it, especially if you're using an AR-50. Exactly. Take the, when everybody has talked about it, I've always heard this, well you got those cheaper mags! I even got into this discussion with James Wesley Rawls because he, I don't, Don, you remember if you read Patriots, there's a part where he's talking about where they bought, you know, a certain mag because they bought a lot of them because they were cheap, and then... They bought a bunch of new mags that were better mags and they got rid of all the old ones. Now they didn't throw them out, but what they did is they sold them. Now I disagree with that. Only because, again, yeah, the new mags are a great idea. A better mag, especially, you spend more money, it's fantastic. Check them to make sure they work and then set those off to the side and take those older mags and that's what you train with. Exactly like you're saying, Meat Eater, if you have a malfunction, isn't that part of the training? Again, the immediate action drill is something all of you need to practice. Right now if you watch most of these excellent videos on people being taught to do the combat shoot competition, three-gun or with pistol alone, the classic is this 11 year old girl. There's one that's not a 9, there's another one that's 11, and they're doing the figure 8's with the two chairs, and the magazines have an intentional malfunction round in them. It's designed, it's a non-functional training round. And the idea is that you go bop, bop, bop, and you don't know where the malfunction is going to be. And I'm going to tell you something, those 9 year olds and 11 year olds have put about 80% of the adults listening to shame. And when you watch those videos, consider if those little kids can do that, you can do that. But it's bop, bop, bop, malfunction, nink, nink, nink, nink, nink, and bop, bop, bop, bop. And they finish the mag, and then she drops the mag and goes right on to the next one. And then goes through immediate mag change the whole nine yards. So, taking the other mags, the other mags that are less expensive, wearing them out is a better choice because nobody has got any more money. They only got so much to spend every time you look at a paycheck. And you've already got the mags. The other consideration once you get past training is, okay, those mags work and you know which ones work better than others. When you're using a mag, I always have Out of 50 mags, there'll be three that usually help you. One in three, two, one, whatever. But nah, they work most of the time. But then sometimes they want to be persnickety. Well, mark them. And you're still not going to throw them away because you know by the time you're done dropping stuff and fumbling for stuff and you have to leave a vehicle quick and half of your mag bag is where? In the vehicle when you hear the... BAM! Oh, my legs! You see it's okay for me. Yeah, I'll get it. Oh, yeah, Indiana Jones remember you got the 45 mag now Oh Man see you see the thing is that Using using those other mags those are your training mags wearing them out if you'll find out if you really can wear them out That's the other thing. I'm gonna tell you when I was shooting 45. I got all the government mags. I wanted Again, I piled up as many as I wanted. What I typically used is the $2.50 bargain basement and they probably were made by Sarco. $2.50 mags for a lot of my constant shooting because every day I had to shoot. Every week we were given three or four cases of ammunition. easily and that doesn't mean I shot every one of those guys but trust me we didn't throw the brass away but they when we would be done at a competition at the end of the weekend cycle where we were in the country you know they would give out a half a million rounds they'd beg people to take them take some more ammo I've got to sign it out you know if they sign it out they don't want to sign it back in because there's more paperwork to sign it back in than if it's shot So what they would do is to all the competition shooters, they would just shovel how many cases. If you take 10 cases, if you were driving home, that's why I behooved you to drive to the matches. They would give out anywhere from as little as 10 to as many as 20 or however many cases your pickup truck would hold. That's you know from the donut of destruction now stuff wasn't all brand brand new is from the 60s the 70s 80s Depending on what year you were shooting, but it was all more in service of all ammo And it's the same stuff. We just got through shooting on the range for national competition So you know lots of ammo, but I would still use up I would burn once I had a mag once you get a magazine where you feel it's right You know it's just perfectly done you do this all the time those mags you've got You can feel that mag. You know that it's right in the niche. It flawlessly slides into the well. It works every time I drop it and it falls right into my hand. Now that's how most of your match mags were. And of course those would be in the shooting box after they were tuned in, if they were broken in and you were worn in. And then I would burn the cheapy mags. Now by the way I was shooting an actual match pistol. Well, I would use both. I had a 1911 that was a model built in 1917 for the Marine Corps. I had my match gun. The earlier model pistol was my gun. The match pistol was the other weapon. And then of course I had a variety of other arms that we carried for competition, 22 and 38 Auto. Forgive me, 38 Special but it was an automatic Smith and Wesson. and I would burn whatever ammunition was required per schedule and I would use all of them. But the weapon, the .45, once I had my mags where I wanted them, those mags were not used for anything other than serious shooting. But for all practical training and muscle re-memory and muscle re-memory, no, those cheap mags work just fine. And you know what? I didn't have any malfunctions with them. Seriously, I mean I never had a problem. I've been fascinating because, fascinated by that because I do understand, yeah, they can make a punky mag, but once you test them all, guys, you'll figure out what works and what doesn't. And if you're out two dollars on one mag out of twenty, well, you're still ahead, right? And even the one that's iffy, typically it's like, well, Donny was fighting, he had a bad day, he was kind of kachunka-kachunken, and he didn't really look too close at that last little ding he made when he was throwing in the hopper. And usually if you just take a, you know, a dowel and kind of work that a little bit, it's amazing how you can straighten everything out without beating the stuff to death. So these are, the cheap mags are a solution. Just think of them as training and also dump mags for the future. You're never going to have enough mags. and I don't want something down there, oh you didn't even heard that! I'm gonna repeat this again guys, everybody ask me how many mags should you own? You should be buying mags just like you're buying ammunition. If they have a sale and you can get another handful of mags for six dollars a piece, buy another handful of mags for six dollars a piece, make that part of your schedule. Buy at least three, like it's usually the cut off is, if you buy three or more you get the better price. Okay, we'll buy three more. Put them on the shelf. That's just part of your ongoing entourage. Somebody was asking me the other day, how many mags did you typically carry the M14? I carried at least 22. At least. Loaded. And basically that gets back to the old old-timer school. The logic was, you see any Chinese crew behind you carrying any extra stuff for you? Nope. And if you get into trouble, who's going to provide it for you? You're carrying an M14. Nobody else is carrying one. Your fellow soldiers are. But nobody else in the field is carrying one. So if you don't have the mags for it, you aren't going to be able to get it to work fast. Now it does mean, if the old bung hole is puckering from a small arms fire, I'll guarantee I can work my hands real fast and make that an almost a pure full auto, even though it was one shot at a time in the chamber. But the reality is more mags are better and even with carrying 22-23 mags you're going to drop enough that eventually you'll be scavenging if you can find something to scavenge. And I don't care what weapon it is you're carrying. I don't care what weapon. I don't care if it's an AR. I don't care if it's an AK. You better be prepared mentally for this. You should always be eyeballing and observing for things laying around especially if you can recover them either off your own dead or off enemy dead. If you've made them dead, it's more likely it's not booby trapped. If you find it dead, you have to assume it could be booby trapped. Basic rules. If it's your own people, I will say this again. If a man is going to the rear, if he's alive, then his weapon and his equipment goes with him. Unless, again, depending on how tight the straights are, his ammunition is not. If a man is dead and you're in a situation, none of his equipment is going to the rear. And his medical support is going to be stripped off and goes to whoever immediately. Why? Because I don't want any more dead people. On my side, on their side, I want lots of dead people. But I've got to take care of my own. And I've got to make sure I feed them, feed the machine. And that machine in front of me and all the machines you guys are carrying need to be supported accordingly. Anyway, meteor, anything else? Oh, that's good. That's it. We'll just, uh... or the chard man, you know, because a lot of people, you know, they put down, you know, these... Also, apparently, the lower cost weapon systems, a high point, someone made an excellent video, YouTube, about, you know, people complaining about high points and, you know, let's say, SIGs, you know, they pay a lot of money for the, you know, the fancy SIG pistol. And it may have a malfunction. You know, pistols are pistols, but they have their issues. But the high point has one minor issue with it, you know, where they're fired at. Maybe it does the action as it worked all the way and it stays back in one round or something. And they say it's a piece of crap. Really, you know, it takes stuff in first. In fact, sometimes I think we're getting into this. Everything is, you know, have the latest and greatest, that I think is a really bad attitude. You don't need multi-cam. You don't need the latest, right? You're finding your rifle properly. Now the backup, it's a high point. It just needs to put rounds down where you need it. And you really have a walking, mushed, you know, I just see that out there. So we need to train more and be proficient with the weapon. Again, as Don pointed out, Don, in night vision 1, the SKS was a great platform for that night vision device, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. and I wouldn't hesitate with either the high point or with the SKS-CI. This weapon snobbery thing to me is dead is dead on the other side. He won't know what I shot. He would because I'm not going to be fair anyway. The high points all American made works just fine. Most of the comments or statements you'll see made are through the gun snobbery routine. This happens over and over again, especially about looks. You know what? If it was square as a box, oh wait a minute, no that's the Mac 10. If it was square as a box and just had a hole out one end with a bullet spool, a pistol grip down below and maybe a buttstock, I wouldn't care as long as it functions. Pretty? Pretty's totally irrelevant to me. I like, you know, pretty is when you start talking zebra wood stocks. and you know, gold inlay barrels and you know, engraving, that's the pretty end of the firearms industry. But if I'm carrying a combat arm, like we've said, I'll tell you what, take a look at the Hautari videos and a lot of the other militia videos we've done. You might notice that the majority of the lines share the weapons as they go into service. Don't look anything like they did out of the box because they're all green and black or green and brown. That's because right off the bat, because they're working tools. This is not my show gun for me to go, look I'll party this. I'll even put gold paint on in the inlay where all the words where it says made in China. Doesn't that look pretty guys? Well, it's made in China. What's your point? Well, yeah, but it's gold inlay. You know it's the old story. It's still a thousand years, sir, as far as party goes. Although I like the lines of the ache, I'm sorry, for me I have a different mindset on it. But the idea of the high point will get you through the job. Again, for the majority of the people out there, it will keep you alive. Medics, transport personnel, the high point carbine and the high point pistol are to us what the Glock was supposed to be. Remember the Glock was not meant for you high time professional eye rolling super combat shooters. It was designed originally to be the gun you hand out to all the the the plebes out there. All of the guys that weren't going to be fighting but might need something to get in and get out of trouble with. In other words pull back. That's why they even excluded the slide. Does anybody remember the original studies about the Glock? You know, forgive me slide. Why they took the safety issue off? Remember there's no safety right? It's basically shooting scoot. The safety is, like a French rifle, don't pull the trigger. Where did the mindset come from, guys? You see, it was designed so that you could throw it at a cook, a driver, a radio operator, who usually has a little more skill. He probably is a rifleman. But it would give everybody a weapon that anybody and everybody could handle, and they were supposed to be bucket dirt cheap. So you could buy 10 of them for the price of one of those old metal pistols. Really? Have you seen the price of a Glock? Look, it's totally the reverse of what it should be. Once you've paid for the mold, those Glocks should be about $125 apiece, guys. At the most. Hell, well think about it. What's the most expensive part to make on it? And most of the parts on it are a stinking stamp that are going on the gun. So, just use metal math on that one and figure it out. Oh well, anyway, we're almost to the top here. Don, you're number for night vision again, please. Hey, that number is 2317968458. Repeat 23179658. And that first generation gun sight, you know, I tell you, get it while you can, otherwise it's going to be white light. My number is 23179658. Very good and for everybody out there listening again. Hey, we are getting more light in the afternoon to the evening So you got more time to get out there and work get stuff done Piddle inside now. I've been in back and forth getting wet all day today So, you know come back in dry off for a little bit go back out get some more wet Expect that to continue So rubber boots rubber boots rubber boots. Did I say rubber boots? Yes, I've mentioned rubber boots. Go ahead call her. Who do we have? Hi, this is Sean in Seattle listing a great interest to your comments on weapons. I can tell you this, my favorite rifle is my daughter's .22 cricket rifle. It's a single shot. It's only about 2.5 feet long. And for these old eyes, through bifocals, I can still hit a target at 75 yards in the bullseye. I'll tell you, it's lightweight and I love it. That's why I would bring into combat with me. Well, the other thing about that is those will break down very easily and make a very good pack rifle. We've talked about these before over the years. And there's all kinds of little tricks. In fact, you know I haven't talked about this in a while, is you don't necessarily have to build up the buttstock. There's a little trick to actually putting a step on your web gear. So that whoever is carrying it, like if you're carrying just a shoulder pack for survival purposes, you build up a butt cup. That sounds terrible. But it's a rifle stock cup, like we used to have on the BAR belts down below. And you build it up and add length on the, not to the end of the stock to change the weapon, but you actually create a rest point on the web gear or on the cross strap for your backpack. and that gives you another two inches or so or three inches of additional surface so when you rest that smaller stock you actually get almost an adult fixture feel with regard to the way the weapon sits. I bring this up because you'll notice this has gone out of vogue again but guys remember back in the late 80s early 90s the big thing was to cut the butt stocks down on everybody's tactical shotguns by about one third and then put a butt plate on that Anybody remember that? How much fun that was and everybody had to have those? Anybody? See, that was a better idea by the way than cutting down the barrel. If you cut the stock down you still get the full advantage of a full length barrel but you've lost four, five or six inches in the other direction and they can't say anything about it. And the neat thing is it scrunches you up and as we pointed out, remember when you're a gun platform you want to bring that weapon in. And since it's tactical the idea is that it's right there, you've got good eye control and boom, boom, boom. And it doesn't go anywhere. But if you need to move it around a corner or everybody wants a pistol grip shotgun, instead you cut the stock down. I wouldn't do that to a nice wall in that stock like we were talking about that's purified earlier there. I'd go out, like if you have a Mosberg or a Flinchchester or a Remington or whatever, or even a Stevens, I'd go to the gun show, which is whatever I told everybody else we were doing, go to the gun show and find one of the stocks somebody took off a shotgun because it didn't look very pretty and it's kind of beat up. Well, that's the stock you cut down because you're not out anything. You buy it for three, five, ten dollars at the gun show and that gives you basically what you're talking about, Shawnee, youth stock length. Which is you know with a shotgun it works the same way actually it gets quite comfortable But it also again it shortens the gun for sway in motion in a close tactical environment But I'll tell you go ahead. I'll tell you something Mark. It's the most comfortable rifle I've ever shot. There's no kick to it. There's no climb and I can place that bullet right where I need it, and I don't even need a scope. I was shocked at how well I could shoot with that thing. And in the end it's shot placement that counts. I know Don's talked about that a lot. Shot placement. And if you're out there picking up ammo, pick up all the ammo you can find. It doesn't matter what caliber, it's all tradable. It can be like gold. Say that to everybody out there. Even if it's old ammo your grandpa had and the ammo candy brought home from the second world war. It still has lead, it still has brass casing, it has old powder. You can kind of take tools and the slugs out and pour the old powder out and put it through with a new primer and new load and it works just fine. So that's my suggestion. You run it through a powder tester and then determine if the whole batch, if you want to reload it. Yeah, that's true. Exactly. Who was it a while back? It was Talon who was getting 50 caliber and other calibers from the US government and didn't bother taking it apart. They just tested it in barrels. It went bang so they started sending it out. to people like you and me at 75 cents around. Oh, the good old days. And eventually they got busted for it. They're no longer in business. But put a whole lot of 50 caliber into the field that was never broken down. But it's, yeah, go ahead. I liked your, I liked your idea, even though when you're talking about putting this television, I wouldn't want my daughter got a Russian