Mark Koernke and Don Becher discussed firearms, ammunition, and preparedness on Weapons Wednesday, March 5, 2014. The hosts covered 1911 pistol magazines and maintenance, emphasizing the importance of testing magazines before field use and avoiding welded designs that cannot be serviced. They reviewed current ammunition availability and pricing at gun shows, noting the emergence of rare and unusual cartridges in the market. The show included extensive discussion of rifle platforms (SKS, AK, .308 battle rifles), ammunition reloading and brass case management, and practical advice on acquiring firearms at gun shows, particularly older or unmarked weapons. Don Becher promoted first-generation night vision gun sights available for $400 before anticipated year-end restrictions on civilian sales.
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Is this still the land of the free? Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intelligence report. I'm R.Kirky. And I'm Don Becher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, central, southeast, and south. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com. We're on AM and FM microstations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the homework network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both the 3rd, 5th, and our friends, the nine sisters on the left side of the state, Colorado, the recall state. 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It was a beautiful sunny day here once the cloud cover cleared off in the early a.m. As mentioned earlier, beautiful sunrise this morning here in Paris. May, we got to about 21 or 22 degrees here, so we were like 41 degrees warmer than we were the other morning. Granted, that's the morning in the middle of the day, but temperature doesn't change a whole lot in the winter. But we're enduring this heat wave mark here in the beginning of March. Now it is a particular day. Let's do this again before we get too far away. Fifth day of March. It's Cinco di March 2014. And with that in mind, here's the magazine. The magazine is in the well. The bullet is in the chamber and it is weapons. Wednesday, the perimeter is slightly untrustworthy. But, you know what, when it comes to more bullets, there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force when the time comes. Let's see, we have a bunch of stuff that's going on here, that 1911, of course, e-circoinc.com, e-circoinc.com. They've been pulling stuff out of the bins and making deals with other people who had a whole bunch of other cool stuff. a whole bunch of things showing up on their front page but also in their pistol parts section guys take the time go there check out their 45 parts systems you're going to build a 45 from scratch a lot of it you don't have to really it you can pick whatever combination what you'll see what I'm talking about when you get there but definitely a wide range of parts barrels frames that are 80 percent everything and anything you can think of it's just too numerous to mention here but if you're building a forty five you're looking for just a basic i want to beat you side to head with pestle that will work after i do that i can you know still polluter well then you want a nineteen eleven and place to go for a lot of parts he dash circle ink dot com seems to be once again down there niche therefore t they have a lot of stuff that nobody else has They've got it in good quantity. That's the other thing. They've definitely got the old connections. The old business connections make the difference. They've got what it takes. Check them out. Also, again, for other parts, ApexGunParts.com, ApexGunParts.com. I just mentioned e-SarcoInk.com. e-SarcoInk.com. 1911 mags, needless to say there's a lot of other companies that do it. They actually have their own mag manufacturing for 45s guys. They do basic 1911, nothing super fancy, but they do standard factory 1911 magazines. In fact, even they're selling some of the tooling right now. I want to think about that one. Anyway, a lot more to do. Don, what have you got there jumping off the wall, please? Well, let's touch on 1911 mags for a little while. You know, you look at those pretty stainless steel magazines and they fit all inside the mag well and they've got the extra pasty for, you know, eight in the magazine instead of seven. So then you can have one in the chamber too and man, you're to Because of that, understand and know what you're going to need to do maintenance wise. One of the replaceable base plates, a lot of the competition guns have those and the extended base plate types which offer another round for carrying too. Where instead of a seven, it's actually an eight, some are even nine rounders. So that is a positive, more rounds are better and the eights actually are becoming so common. They're not, I would say it's 50-50 in terms of the commonality, they're about split now. There's as many 8-round 45 mags out there as there are 7s. But the 7 has been the standard for, you know, a century. So you're going to run into both, you're going to see both, and you'll see some other larger extended mags from the 1911. If you're going to get them, inspect them. A little something somebody talked about here the other day with buying some AK mags where the AK followers were rusted right to the inside of the magazine, guys. This is why you have to do magazine maintenance, and I cannot emphasize that enough. I don't care what weapon it is. I'm glad you continued to follow with this thought line, Mark, because the point to be made. I have, I bought two eight capacity stainless steel magazines at one place and then I bought another one at a relatively cheap and it had a black bumper. I can slide the bottom of that one out. I can literally service that magazine. I can look through it like a straw. The two stainless steel magazines, oddly enough, they say U.S. government on them, the floor plate is welded and when that is assembled, the follower is welded to the top of the spring. Did you know that? If you do something goofy, I don't know exactly what I did to one of those magazines, but I can put three rounds in it now no more. I've tried plucking the spring through the bullet mark holes and the reliefs in it and all of that. I've tried just maybe if I tweak the spring or if I pull and take the... I've done all the things I can do, but I cannot disassemble that magazine to cure that problem. It's a three-round magazine now. The point is, If you can't service it, it might fail in the field. And if it fails in the field and you can't service it, it's a three round magazine man. And it might be even less. So, you know, continue to work with your part. I'm familiar with them and know what they will do. Even if you, these are the magazines, Mark you pointed this out many times, these are the magazines I'm going to take to the range. Take your brand new magazines that you're going to carry into battle and make certain that they cycle at least, you know, like ten times. That's not really going to hurt them, is it? But it's better to find out you've got a twenty round magazine instead of a four round magazine or a seven round magazine instead of, as example, a three round magazine. I scratch my head over that mark. I just cannot follow or it doesn't want. It's in the follower somehow. It's again welded to the top of the spring and the floor plate is welded in and it's a puzzle. I cannot disassemble. So I can't surface it beyond like three rounds. I could hit it with a hammer once or twice maybe. But you see how that works. or you know what I'm referring to. I could hit it with a 12-pound hammer once on purpose. I yield to you, Mark. Remember, with that 1911 you can do exactly that with or without the magazine and all the mag reinforces the pistol grip a bit. So insert mag then do accordingly. Work as hammer. Let's see, attitude adjustment tool while slapping the side of someone's head with the side of the frame. And slide of course. Slides are replaceable. Frames are of course, that's the critical part. Remember to just make your gun a little more accurate. Yep, oh, I just tell you, yeah, the slide was a little sloppy before I wrapped it inside the head. Oh, yeah, think about it. Well, our groups know. Yeah, I don't know why she just seems to work better. Oh, anyway, a couple of things on that note with the 1911 I mentioned the extended mags I usually with every 45 we have, I have 111 rounder. Oh, but you know, you can get huge capacity magazines for 19 fact, and can't even get a drum. Yeah. But you know, if you buy one, Make certain it works. Make certain it works more than it won't. Good thing. Real good thing. That magazine I referred to, that welded bottom eight round that's only a three rounder now, it hadn't been in service that long. And it failed. The guy I bought it from, I think he's living in Florida now. He ran. He fled across the country accordingly. Well. Probably not. He just said it to Flora because the weather is nice down there. He was retiring and I got the magazine at a good price. He wanted $15 for him and I think I gave him $8 for it. As a matter of fact, it failed before I went to the next gun show because I went to the next gun show looking for him with that magazine in my pocket and I asked about him and I asked him, he lives in Florida now. I remember that to be fact now. That's why I got that so cheap. And, you know, to a great extent, you guys, this is a world in which, you know, I'm going to invoke, you know, it's not a Don original. And when I tell you, you get what you pay for. Although guns are grossly overpriced these days and so are bullets. We talked about that. Well, there's no ammunition for it. Usually it's a little more reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. In fact, interestingly enough, bringing it up about it will price. It's fascinating, I'm noticing several of these companies are doing the same thing that I was talking about a year ago. They're buying anything that they can find that is a cartridge to the point where right now there are some really off-the-wall cartridges I've never seen in my life available. because they've probably just been over the border like in Mexico or they've been overseas and they're there but they're just not marketed here. Well, the ammunition has become available and so it's out there to be found. An interesting one that was put into that UN ammo advertisement today, actually the last two days Don, 17 PMC. Now, 17 PMC, as the guy pointed out, the gentleman owns the company says, hey, this stuff is rare, but it will work in some of the other 17 caliber weapons out there, guys. But it's not the 17 that everybody's come to realize was being offered here. Remember, in conversion kits for the Ruger. What is interesting, though, is that, again, it was available. It's room fire ammunition. Buy it, because at least you got something. under the logic that somebody will need it, which is true. In fact, he actually has purchased something he may be stuck with for a while, but there's a lot of people out there that are probably looking for it, just don't know where to look yet. When they do, it'll be off the shelf. That's how confident the ammunition salesmen are now, guys. In the past it would be like, I don't know if I want this stuff. I mean who the hell has any? Well there's 5000 guns that came in the country, somebody needs it. Another one is one of the 22 rimfire Winchester cartridges but not standard 22 long rifle. Again by the very manufacturer I guarantee this stuff is being made for Mexico, south of the border for the 1903 Winchester's, what it was built for only guys. Apparently, somebody had a bunch of them to the point where they're making modern ammo for them. Now, it's an odd man out piece of stuff, but guess what? Even pricey, it's probably going to sell. There's two problems. Some of the people that may buy it may buy it thinking they're getting something else, even if he tells them three times they're not. I will warn everybody about that and I've watched this at gun shows even over and over again. It's like nope that's not what you want. Well I think it is. My friend over there said I need to ignore you. Let me tell you how this works. That's not going to be what you want. And they will completely ignore you. Now you should be happy as a person selling stuff but then they're going to come back later and go you know you sold me the wrong stuff. And it's like no. You or that person I told you three times, are you sure this is what you want because I don't think it's right? Do you remember that? And you listen to your buddy Fred there. So again, beware, pay attention, do the research, find out. But if you do have one of these unique weapons, and this is one of the reasons I pointed out, you're going to end up with a grandpa collection or an Uncle Fred collection. They might have one of those weapons there and he hasn't had ammunition of maybe 45 rounds that he's held for 60 years or 30 years because he couldn't find anymore. You know what I mean? And all of a sudden it's like, look, it's brand new in the box right here. You better buy a case of that. Because the one watering hole that has it isn't going to have it after a while and nobody else has got it. Or your Uncle Fred would have had a case of it himself on the shelf. And you'll be singing that old blues song, nobody sells the books. the sun. Anyway, a couple of other things here before we go any farther. We're almost at the bottom here. Let's do it this way. Don, you have night vision technology available. Remember people, if you get the archives, you will be able to find Don's information all through the programming. If you're just patient and listen, you'll hear this. How can we get hold of you to get on? What do you have available? What are we looking at? We have changes on the horizon, especially with first gen. Well, chronologically the phone number is 2317968458. Again, 2317968458. We can talk about goggles or guns, sight screens or thermal, but the big topic as of late is that first generation gun sight. Now, first generation doesn't mean, you know, first generation is older technology. I'd qualify that, you know, first, second, third. Our boys go into the field with third generation hanging on their helmet or on the top of their gun if it's not thermal. But it's still, you know, you can see in the dark with first generation. I have a gun sight available, 2.5 power, 3.08 capable. It is a purpose built gun sight. It will have a rail that will thumb screw down to your 7.8s or your 1 inch Weaver or Picatinny rail respectively. It will adjust at 1.16 of an inch. versus 1 1 sixth of an inch versus 1 quarter of an inch, you know, 6th for an inch versus there's something you'd need to get used to. Then you can detachable, you can detach it, it is detachable, you know, we use the word right. The illuminator, meaning you could forward deploy it, is good because then you could even, on a moonless night, increase your range and stand off farther away than that 100 yard illuminator range. I'll put that device in your mailbox for $400. We won't see this device by the end of this year. When we first started telling you about this, let me see, seven, eight weeks ago, I was told then that into this year we won't be selling first generation green screens. It'll all be the mechanical portions of a little video device, you know, a handheld camera, and that'll basically displace first generation be it a gun site or a viewer. We've talked about the white light coming out of that. We've talked about its non-military application. Great first civilians. You don't want that light on your face. We've addressed that. If you're looking for a first generation device, it's kind of like now's the time to get it before the end of the year for certain. And we can't run that deadline out. We can't say we're going to stop. I can't. Definitely say, well, on December 31st, we're going to stop selling them. At that time it might be a matter of how many are left in the pipeline, so it might be December 1st, it might be November 1st. Okay, so I put that on the table to give the qualifier, the caveat so to speak. You know, they're going to be here for a little longer and then they'll be gone. But if you want to talk to me about that device, you can reach me at 3-1-9-6-5-8. Again, 2-3-1-7-9-6-8-4-5-8. Mark, you know, we are getting close to the bottom of the hour. Uh, would we run a breaker you want to run right through or one thing we could do is I heard a number of dings. Let's phone, see if we've got somebody waiting. We can't do we have a caller star six. We'll unmute you just to be safe before we go any farther. Survey says we're going to continue because I don't hear any more. Hello. Oh, okay. Hey, how you guys doing? This text. Recognize that voice. breathing or people who did have you could tell you know it wasn't something i did see one of the chinese fifty nine's came in from uh... i'd uh... i think you know it uh... the same place uh... visit uh... you was getting there said up there think about what we've been on there and and what the amazing is that these guys are getting it and it was six hundred and you know i could buy out i can buy a war circuit for you seven right exactly i like this case but no not for six hundred dollars there's The AKs are the better choice in general. The SKS was reasonable and has been pretty much the prices where they're at are still even acceptable at the 300 mark or so. It's not your first choice, but if you had to build it, it'd cost about that, if not more to make right now, if anybody would. So the SKS has a niche, plenty of spare parts, lots of spare American parts made. Again, the idea of $59, $110, $200, $600, now you're jumping up into the .308 battle rifle. And while I like the SKS, you'll see SKS's around me constantly for obvious reasons. Again, I've got one that's a tack driver, I've had it for, well now, 25, going on 30 years. and out of the box it was a used gun and that will walk a milk gallon, you know, one gallon jug down range to 300 yards. I can put a bullet right under that bucket and move it wherever I want to. That gun is just, it's tuned in, it's worn in where it's supposed to be. Doesn't look pretty on the outside, flawless on the inside. So it's a good rifle but $600, now you're looking at .308 battle rifles and other stuff like that and like you said regular AKs that I appreciate that they are nice guns but that is going in the wrong direction. I understand what you are talking about. What about ammunition there? was copper plated high velocity was around 75, 80 and like that. The cheapest one I saw for lead, I don't know if it's lead, it's the company. They have another, I think they got another name, I'm not really sure. Anyway, they were selling brick for 59, that was the deepest part. Some of it was a little underpaid on what it was, 39 and others, they were getting up there and plus those 500 So again, about where we've been seeing it then, through a way at least come down a little below a dollar. If you look, forgive me, below half a dollar around because there's been some 50, 65 cents has been the average. So 50 cents or a little less is coming down a little bit or at least some of the less expensive stuff is coming in and showing up at the show. But it's gravitating around that half dollar mark and that seems to be where it's staying. It shouldn't be a surprise. Then it's just a matter of how fresh a bullet or how fresh a case do you want for the price. If you can find brand new ammunition for that price but maybe in an odd brand that's maybe a better choice at this point in time. It depends. So it's the flavor of the day there. What about attitude? General attitude. People at the show. I have to admit, I've gone to this gun show for years and years and I can tell you right now that years ago, most people, it was all sorts of everything and everybody didn't come up like it does now. People weren't really talking about gun confiscation or stuff like that. Now people are talking this stuff out and they're just talking right out in the open. Well, you know, they're going to get my guns, you know what I'm saying? Well, you know, that's one of the interesting things, too. As we get into this, you know, developed situation with Connecticut, more and more people are hearing it from all of the other venues, the shooting organizations. It's out there in the social media where it should be. Facebook is yapping about, or they're yapping how a Bloomberg is somehow going to prostitute Facebook out to ban firearms pages and stuff. Well, they might, but I think people are going to swamp them. Facebook responded with that mark saying if you want to sell a firearm on Facebook, you have to post the firearm deals of the state you're selling. So they haven't banned it. They've tried to narrow the niche a little bit. That's right. Yeah, the thing is that the bad guys are trying to desperately piss in everybody's face. And again, the Bloomberg has lost a lot of ground because everybody sees the writing on the wall. Well, we were just going to be like all these mayors that left his operation. We didn't know that he wanted to confiscate all the guns, which is BS to begin with. What it comes down to is they all thought they were going to be royalty with him instead of being the useful idiots it turns out they have become. They're going to be the only one, Sam Walton. That's right. They can only be one. And he plans on being it. There was one thing interesting, one object I found was very interesting was a lady had, she had several boxes of ammo and stuff, but she had about three quarters full of 50, you know, 50 cal box, AP bullets, an AP black tip, and she wanted a buck and a quarter a piece. Well, again, those were three to four cents, as we know, pennies a piece before, a 50, is it 50 cal projectile or 30 cal? The 30 kill. But, dollar something around, well, hopefully nobody's spitting them down in range anyway. They should be saving them for when they need them. That's a good one. Yeah, I'd be very, again, hey, that's what we used to pay for, we used to pay, what, eight cents? Well, of course, now that is, I could say used to, you know, any number of subjects. A year and a half ago, we paid a lot less, let alone, you know, 10 years ago. But, the thing is, World War II is a long ways back, guys. All that stuff has been picked up, carried away. It's in bunkers, it's in warehouses, it's in underground complexes, it's in people's de-clips waiting to be used on black uniform moose all over the country. It's been spread out. The problem is, in some places it's still a little plentiful if you know where to look. Others, it's kind of thin and out now to the chicken teeth category. It's just why you're seeing more and more people interested in it for its value because of its quality. Anyway. Another thing I noticed was there were a lot of people, and I had noticed this, a lot of people are selling homemade, you could get a bag of lead slugs for 9mm, 5mm, 38 special, and they were doing, I guess they were doing their own casting and selling them. Well, you know the deal there is that those are people who have been pouring for a while and seeing the price going up, think that they'd move some of their stock to market to take advantage of the current price. I'd have to think that that's most of what that is. Wouldn't you agree, Mark? Yeah, especially with, again, like we said, look at the differential, how things have moved, how they've changed price-wise. If you're smart, you can move a lot of product into or from an inventory category. and not have to do anything other than, well, still in the box even. I mean, come on guys, all you have to do is move it once or twice. Well, even for people who have poured at home or in the garage, you know, they just, some people do it like once a month, you know. Some people, you know, once a year. But the people who do it every couple of weekends or whatever, they build up a stock. They do it to keep in practice and they do it because they enjoy it and they do it because, well, we got all these wheel weights and they need to turn them into bullets. So they do and then they've got them and they see that well, man, look at this is paying off for me now. It's worthwhile for me to take some of these two markets. Skip used to say, Mr. Talbot, the founder of the 50 caliber shooters association, he used to say that To start reloading it doesn't mean that you're going to save money. It's just going to mean that you shoot more. I could shoot more because it's cheaper against raw minerals. You'd shoot more. You go back to your spending limit on your gun portion of your life. The people who pour bullets are the same way. They're looking to the future. They figure, hey, I might be at a range someday and send $200 or $300 in a day. Or, just looking to the future and speculating, I think I need to put a thousand more bullets in the inventory this month. See? But that paid off for us and for them even if we're paying market price for it. They're there and he's making a profit on it. So, hey, I'm a flaming capitalist. Know what I mean? Think of the alternative. That's why we wanted, that's why we were poor bullets to shoot the commies. Yeah, that was another thing too. I was going to say, wind supplies was very minimal. Powders were low, like, pointedies, you know, were very, I didn't see it. If there was any, anybody have any bullets in them, that's what I'm looking for. I mean, probably the hardest one I'm looking forward to find is the full metal jacket. Probably the best bet, again, is to look for odd corners like the West Coast. I've got Tim's Seward's book. and it's a great book. Read it, what I needed to know and how to proceed. The one line I was going to ask you guys about is that he trims all his rifle case, but he says once his pistol cases get too long, he says it's tedium. And he says he feels it's not worth the... Oh, no, no, no. There's no big deal with trimming them if you actually have the trimmer. I mean once you've got a trimmer it's just a matter of both or down to the cabinet and make that a priority while you're watching television. You know what I mean? Put a cab, put a case in, return the wheel, you've got a block or a set for your depth and then you're done. Then put the next one in and you're done. Just have a can on one side, a full tray on the other. When that tray on the other side is the same size as full of cases, you're done for that batch. Once they start doing that, just prioritize sort. That's one of the reasons for either using colored tape or the really cool thing are these new containers that are in the dollar store that have colored lids that are clear. You've got purples and reds and greens. Well, you can sort things that way quite efficiently with minimal grain matter. The way to do it if you're going to be doing trades for sorting, say sorted, untrimmed would be in, say, purple. and you throw the purple and you just put a tag on the inside. You don't have to mark the outside of the container and stick tape to it that's going to fall off. Take a piece of paper and write down what's in the canister. Put that on the inside the canister itself inside the tray, like the sandwich sized trays, they've got the casserole sized trays. Put it on the inside and then just put your brass in there. Now when you've got a minute or two or you pick, you know, any time you timeshare, you go over to the bench, plug in your favorite DVD or your favorite radio program and while you're listening to the radio program, Take one case, put it in the trimmer, grind, and put it in the next tray. Now the next tray is a red tray for a finished, trimmed or cleaned brass. And it's the same size, everything's going to work. But when you're done, you work as far as it takes to do one full tray, and then you break off to something else. Or you go on to do other things. Just, again, build them up. Wait until you have so many because at a certain point you're going to end up with a bunch of them. And if you calculate how many you toss because you just don't want to mess with it, then you find out eventually you've tossed out dollars. That's the only way to describe it. Plus, it's man hours in production. What did it take to make that case? Now I do take stuff from people who have done that. I just gave a whole bunch of 308 cases to somebody, about 3,000 of them, that I got from another person because they didn't want to do any case trimming. But part of that was because they'd also have to do some sorting because some of that brass was M60 brass and had been fired from a machine gun. And some of that brass is going to have to be reformed and trimmed down again a little bit. Well, that's their job. They didn't have any 308 brass to reload. It's all Lake City, Boxer Prime 1968. So, I'll bet you it'll work just fine in his dies when he's done, but they're going to have to do a little bit of sorting. Well, I used to do that sitting down on a regular basis. I didn't want to do all kinds of stuff. When I'm done the program here, I'm doing that sometimes. Sorting other things, there's little things, oh, I could do a little trinket job done. Just think of it that way. Share time, but share time that is money. All brass is reusable for something. If nothing else, it's fragmentation that goes in the end of that food gas barrel when you touch off the black powder. Come on! You got hit with bullets! No, I mean you got hit with cases! Oh my god, it's horrible! Chunks of this, bits of that, pieces of safety glass. I think he's got a roller skate key stuck in his forehead too, but that's another thing. Anything and everything. If it's metal or glass, it gets saved. Glass gets put in one bucket. It's always good for something. Wasn't it that Robert Scott book, God is my co-pilot, where he talked about the Japanese pilots didn't want to leave the occupied cities. As example, one day they opened up a door at the wall and here was a Japanese pilot on the other side of the door with a 20 millimeter brass pounded into his forehead. Yeah, see it's good for something. It's always good for something. Yeah. Yep. I'm certain that the book I encountered that in, God is my Copilot. By the way, real quick here, I gotta share this. Two cute posters. You guys that are in the chat room or in different locations come up with some neat stuff. I told her guns make me feel uncomfortable. She said we should both be seeing other men. This is a guy talking to his girlfriend. I told her guns make me feel uncomfortable. She said we should both be seeing other men. Both her and him. Now, the other one I thought was really cool, it's Cool It's Weapons Wednesday, is I shot my first turkey today. Yes, scared the hell out of everybody in the frozen food aisle. It was great. Well, again guys, one of the things to watch here, especially with the gun shows, is also like you said, walk-ins, before I forget. Some of the best stuff I've picked up at gun shows is come over somebody's shoulder in the front door. One of those to take into consideration is somebody with a really improvised NAGAT rifle is in an image here somebody just sent us cool. Anyway, they are very thing to be pointing out. Nagot rifles. Back when the Nagots were not real common. A lot of guys that come through the show with guns they picked up from Vietnam guys. And some of the most interesting Nagots we have in the inventory that are also real tack drivers. Apparently they were sent over as marksman's weapons, PU rifles back in the day. They've been serving us ever since. Pump shotguns, they won't necessarily be the fanciest weapons. In fact, don't fight over the stuff that's going to be hyper expensive. Forget that. Watch for that single barrel standard shotgun that comes through the door that doesn't have any papers on it. Maybe it's so old it was built by Kmart or SS Kresge or maybe even farm supply and doesn't have a serial number. Montgomery Ward. Yeah, Montgomery Ward shot. There's another one. It comes through. They virtually are brand new. Grandpa's had it or Grandpa had it for years. Everybody wants to try and slide it off that guy's shoulder for $25. Well, offer him $40. You know what? You're still stealing it. Again, he walks around the show and nobody wants to give me anything but $25. Give him $40 for it. It doesn't have any papers. Nobody knows where it's been. When you're done with it, nobody will know where it's going. and a single barrel shotgun comes in awfully handy for a lot of project work but it's an omen of those guns you can stash somewhere and you put a little, put a bra on the side of it with five shells on the stock, you know one of those slip over five shell holders. Hey it's enough to get you somewhere to where you got a bigger and better and faster gun guys. On the other hand, if you know what you're doing, it's a hell of an anti-personnel and game getter. 20 gauge, 12 gauge, I don't care. A gun getter even. Yeah, exactly. Here, with this, you can get something else, young soldier. But most important is that it never had a name, never had a piece of paper on it, and the way you're going to deal in picking it up, it never will. See how that works? That's how our freedom firearms and liberty firearms should stay on the roof across the board. So watch where it's coming through the door. Picked up a lot of Walther P-38s that came through the war that way. I know guys that picked up a whole bunch of knee mortars that way. You know how many World War II vets we got in Michigan? How many times, stuff like that, we kind of walked through the door. Somebody had a bunch of stuff he picked up and he was just wanting to get rid of it because he's getting old. A whole lot of those got carried back, guys. A whole lot. In fact, I think we got pretty much all of the Japanese Army's inventory to be quite honest with what I've seen in private hands. So don't think it isn't out there. And by the way, this is the Machina State. This is the Tulin Dai State. We don't worry, they got ammo. They had to make brand new. But it's amazing when you've got basic sheets of information and people who know what they're doing, it's amazing what they can crank out for little or nothing real fast. So, just something to think about there. When you put those 20 millimeter rounds in a lathe to turn them down for your latte, don't turn them any faster than about 30 RPMs. Yep. Because if you get them spinning real fast, you make them live. Boom. Oh, that was embarrassing. Darn. Before, let's see, we're almost to the top. Let's do it this way. I know we still got our caller there. Anything else before we go? I think the only thing I might ask you guys is I'm the old Alice gear type LBE, load bearing equipment. I've been seeing this new pad going around with the runner. It's just a belt pad. That's pretty much what it is. What are you going to think about that? And where can I get a belt pad for the Alice? You mean for your Alice pack? No, for the belt, you know, the pistol belt. Oh, well they really never made one. That's because we were all manly men back in the day. We had to suffer with the pain. Now, the battle belt thing, what that is is just a remake of a pistol belt. That's all they've done, but they've built it for molly gear. That's all those are. In fact, I noticed that. There's a bunch of different kinds. Well, even, by the way, GUB Liquidation has got some for sale. Oh yeah. Gov Liquidation if you go to their retail sale outlet and then go through their clearance and sale sections. Go to Gov Liquidation, go to the retail outlet, Uncle Sam's retail outlet. When you go over there, look at the sales and look also in the closeout section and scroll through all those and you'll find some of those belts. What they are is just basically to put MOLLE gear on and make a utility belt like our regular pistol belt. Except it has a pad on the back of it for those soldiers who needed pads. I don't personally see I even have a problem with that on the backpacks I almost always would I wouldn't throw them away, but I usually take them off because it's just you know I there's only there's two ways to look at that and the commando well it was the mountain drop Made these back panzer made these back in the early 80s they actually the belt came around and And like the Molly Belt, it's a padded belt but it's for an 80 pound backpack. And they had stations for sliding Alice gear on, which made sense. But the only thing about it is you either carry the whole house and you carry your magazine pouches, or you draw up everything because the belt is attached to the backpack. The Alice packs have the same thing. They've got a waist belt and they've got it on the frame. They went from a narrow light duty one, which by the way was very much intentional, to going to a heavier padded belt, the LC2. When they did that, they also made it more of a wrap around and even had a buckler on that. Most of those I automatically would roll back and tape in place. And the reason is, it's one more thing to try and disconnect when you're under fire that really, really, really isn't going to be very handy. If you get to the point where you were doing nothing but grunt work and travel, then you just untape it and use it. But the battle belts, the ones you're talking about, those are the modern equivalent to the cartridge belts. You can take the grenade pouches, the canteen pouches, several mag pouches, put them on the belt, and you've got yourself a bat belt, a short bat belt, instead of the whole vest. So they really designed to use separate from the vest. It's almost like a way I would look at it is buy one and make it into a garrison kit. Yeah, but keep in mind if you do the belt thing you're losing payload. You're also losing armor. That's the other reason why I wear a vest. Right, the idea is the best is offering more protection, so they're offering more junk in front of you. The reason they made these is, again, another solution for places where the guys are just bumming around inside a compound or something, like we said, set up as a garrison kit. something to use when you're in a semi-casual mode where you're moving from point to point. I would never leave a weapon laying anywhere. You know, guys say leave the weapon in the armory or leave the weapon. No, no. If you're in a garrison situation, there's nothing, they can't force you to take your weapon away from you. But people are lazy. And then you're standing there, what, sucking air, throwing rocks? If you are going to carry the weapon, you want to have something with you in the way of mags, at the very least nothing but mags. The other way to go though, see that's just that they've made a bunch of these MOLLE bandoliers. They're three pocket bandoliers. They either carry three 30 round air 15 or six 30 air 15 round magazines. Now those will slide over your shoulder. They've got a little shoulder belt. To me that belt doesn't seem long enough. However, you probably can get away with using it as a tapered hanger belt for your waste. Very lightweight, etc. All you're doing is carrying spare mags and you're always carrying your rifle. See, if you're not going to carry a handgun, you're always carrying your rifle. Maybe you don't have enough handguns to go around. You're always carrying your personal weapon. And that's what everybody should get used to. In fact, just the reverse of the anal retentive control panty waste freakness that's going on with the army right now. Oh my God, he's got a gun! He's in the army, you idiot. We should be expecting our people to be armed. Our people will be. Their people won't be. We're going to have an advantage in the long run when the time comes, guys. Think about it. Common sense. So again, it's just another idea. It's another solution. By the way, last but not least, on hand cannons, Guys, I don't know that they've added any more to the list, but e-Sarco Inc. had a shipment of used handguns come in. They are listing them on their page under pistols if you go to e-Sarcoinc.com. The Daewoo seems to be the best price right now because the other pistols have jacked the price up. They have had a bunch of .45s that they've come in with but for what they're charging for the Ballister Molinas and the System 30 1911s you can buy a brand new 1911 from Rock Island for $400 and so it would be less money. But the Daewoos are still less expensive. They are a decent little pistol. I understand they may actually use the Smith and Wesson Model 59 magazine and if that is the case there are surplus Model 59 mags available too. So that is an option. That is a solution. Anyway, other things? Don, before we go we are almost to the top sir. Well we are real narrow in the time frame so hey rather than being prompted If you guys are looking for night vision, give me a call. My number is 231796458. Goggles or gunsights? I hear an advertiser. We're there! Well we are for the moment guys, it is end of weapons Wednesday, but I tell you what, for Connecticut, the fight goes on. For the rest of us, we need to stay frosty and focused. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen, the Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Who rock? Kick them in the slats, beat them down so hard they'll wish to God they never showed up. Let nothing but a rumor of their destruction return to where they came from. Let them fear. Let them fear constantly. That's our job. On your number for night vision, please give it out twice and close it, sir.
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