February 19, 2014
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59m
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2014
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Mark Koernke discussed AR-15 platform modifications and lightweight weapon design on Weapons Wednesday, February 19, 2014. He covered colored magazine options from Liberty's Guardian LLC, upcoming polymer upper receivers that could reduce rifle weight to 4.5-5 pounds, and simplified production designs mimicking World War II manufacturing principles. The show included detailed technical discussion of AR-15 components, night vision equipment pricing, and radio operator loadout considerations. Don contributed information on first-generation night vision devices priced at $400, and both hosts discussed the practical limitations of ultralight weapons systems in field conditions.
- ar-15
- weapons wednesday
- polymer uppers
- night vision
- ares armor
- liberty's guardian
- lightweight rifles
- ar-15 modifications
- first generation night vision
- magazine colors
- flash hiders
- picatinny rails
- field loadout
- radio operator
- weapons design
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We just got some of it into puddles and rivulets now. We'll see what happens tomorrow. What is this day today, sir? What's jumping off the wall up there? Mark, on the 19th day of February, year of our Lord, 2014. Beautiful day here. If you look straight up the sky is almost blue. If you look right to the horizon, looking through all of that sky, it's almost gray around the horizon, like that dingy ring around a bathtub or something. But hey, look at some of Chris Carnicon's videos. At any rate, it is the, what is that? The 19th day of February, 2014. And that is a particular day. So with 1911 in one hand and magazine in the other, I introduce magazine to magazine well and touch that. slide release and oh man we got one in the chamber now and just because mark no one's busting down the door I'm going to drop that mag and I'm going to top that magazine off because it's only one of them GI sevens so now I've got seven in the mag and one in the chamber and I've got the magazine back in the chamber and we can tell everybody it is weapons Wednesday the perimeter is secure and you know for certain there there is plenty more where that came from And that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force, when the time comes. Well, it is a beautiful bright and sunny weapons Wednesday for everybody out there. Take the time, check out our... Oh my god, they really do have colored air 15 mags from the factory in red and pink. Oh geez. And you and Blue! You could drop it in the woods, you might even find it. The PS dealer is these stalls without having to make it yourself. I'll tell you what, that's just fantastic. I just saw that. More on the Hello Kitty rifle in a minute. We are having a technical problem at Liberty Tree Radio right now. I'm not sure when it started, but the station is delisted, but technically we shouldn't be. I've sent in a help ticket to Live 365. You can still get in to listen though. If you click on our station page link from Liberty Tree Radio, either of our logos at libertytreeradio.4mg.com, it'll take you to Live 365. On the left hand side, you'll see a little pop-up player that moves with the scroll. You hit the play button on that, it says Mark Kornke in the intelligence report live right now. You click on the play button below that and the station stream does come right up. So anybody who is trying to tune in that way. Go right ahead. I was trying a couple of the other links and I gave up the wrong one twice. But that is the correct link. You go to live365.com backslash stations, backslash ed the AK47 on one word. And that will take you to that page. And it's the player on the left. You click play. It will start up. I'm working on fixing the listing problem as soon as they get back to me. Again, it is Weapons Wednesday. This is LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com slash Live 365 slash, don't forget, IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com. One way or another, you can get to us. Real quick, yes, keepshooting.com. Now these obviously were made for other training purposes too. Colored mags are ideal for IDing specific types of ammunition being used, etc. But I'm sorry, the first thing that came to mind here is the red light setting towards pink. Air 15 metal mags, they're not Korean. In fact, they emphasize they're not Korean. But they are $21.95. They are anodized in red. blue and orange. Needless to say, the red one slash the pinky red one goes towards the Hello Kitty rifle. If you ask me, pretty cool. So if you're looking for a Hello Kitty magazine that's got a nice deep base color that's going to look very, very, very factory because it is, then there's another solution. Now I know that one of our sponsors, and I want to bring this forward before we get farther, let's remind everybody that our sponsors here at Liberty Tree Radio firearms and ammunition, Liberty's Guardian LLC. I haven't talked about them enough guys, but Liberty's Guardian LLC has an entire section for those of you who are working on your Hello Kitty rifles. So if you need colors, if you're looking for pinks, if you're looking for reds, because you know, you get that, you know, Valentine color theme going. Of course in this case it's going to either be a Hello Kitty or My Little Pony rifle. Take your pick. And I think either one's cool. Be quite honest, I think it's very appropriate that the bad guys get shot with a Hello Kitty rifle, don't you guys? It's like, well, we're meny men, we've got roided up, we got arms as big as somebody's legs, and you just got shot with a girly rifle, fool. You're dying in the hands of a girly rifle. You deserve it. Not only that, remember you got your buddy too. Yeah, Hello Kitty did it again. Oh, the irony. Yes, I'd make a point, see this? I'd make a point, want to see this? Hello Kitty rifle got you. Yeah, Hello Kitty. Yeah, we're gonna make sure you take a picture of this too. You know, your corpse, Hello Kitty rifle, thumbs up. Hello Kitty with a smiley tag and put a kill a kill tag a kill card that actually has the Hello Kitty with the thumbs up and the rifle over it Hello Kitty right Hello Kitty right there. We're the federal numbers It would be if it was a federal gun. It says hello kitty right there. Hello. So anyway, again, everybody out there, you've got all kinds of cool stuff. Accessories, galore, go to, and again, it's many, many, many different things covered, but go to their page. Go to Liberty's Guardian, and when you get there, guys, you will find that they have a whole bunch of really cool stuff that you are definitely going to want to partake of two numerous dimensions. No, actually, they do have, by the way, a number of different objects that are definitely of interest to include AR-15 parts. So if you're building that, Ares Armor AR-15, aluminum or plastic, doesn't make any difference. You might want to shop Liberty's Guardian and help support Liberty's Guardian because Liberty's Guardian is supporting Liberty Tree Radio. Again, their store hours are Monday through Friday, 48 p.m. Location, 105 West Main Street, Deschloar, Ohio, 43516 is the postal zone, 43516. Their telephone number is 419-277-0377. Again, 419-277. 0377 and their emails right there on the page will you guys can decide if you want to email them? Go to their contact section for the page itself, and that's libertiesguardian.com. That's L-I-B-E-R-T-Y-F-G-U-A-R-D-I-A-N dot com. Give a call or stop into the store Monday through Friday, 4 to 8 p.m. We're located at 105 West Main Street. Deschler, Ohio 43516. And yes, the Aries Armor plastic receivers, they make a pink one. I actually have called two people about plastic uppers. Let me give you a little heads up. You know, I've been pestering about that. And it turns out, Dom, that they have the molds. And it appears that what I found out is that this is either the first or second generation polymer molds from the original company that was doing this about, oh what was it, 15 years ago guys? So I was right in estimating the only thing that really hasn't even changed is the polymer because they already proved out the polymers that were being used to include the Kevlar reinforcing. And it turns out that that seems to be the norm for the clandestine arms that were being built back in the day. The uppers may be offered as the next innovative slip coming into the system, the supply train. If that happens, realistically, you could be building an AR-15 that would be a full-size AR-15 that would be about 4.5 to 5 pounds and no more. And Don with all the other paratrooper model. Yeah, that's like you can have one. You really could be like Arnold. You could have one in each hand. You could put the blasts of doom in each one. You know, the beta mags and blah blah blah blah blah. And you'd be able to hold them. Because the mag would weigh more than the gun would. That's what gets me. So in other words, right back to where we started from back in 1998. The gun would be lighter than the beta mag that would be under it, right? And he goes, well, yeah, once it's loaded, kids, you're actually looking at a low center of gravity, which is kind of cool because remember that beta mag hangs down and left and right of the receiver, right? So anyway, just a heads up on that. They're in motion on the polymer uppers. And if they do that, what's going to happen is you're going to start to see a depletion in barrels again, because a lot of people will build up a polymer upper. within a very short period of time. Now the only other thing that they may do is they may, something I recommended because you see it's not hard to do this when you have an infusion mold guys, if you're trying to make it smaller adding to the mold is a bugger. Okay you can do it but it costs a big chunk of change for it to be filled to be properly filled and ground. But taking out of the mold to make something a little lunkier, no problem at all. So, one of the things as I pointed out is if there were concerns at key stress points, why not do what a couple of the AR-15 companies are doing that are doing aluminum billet parts. What they're doing with the uppers and lowers guys, if you've noticed, they're minimizing all the sculpting now. They are doing something we were talking about, wartime production. Before there was a war, they were cutting the number of curl points and round points, which gave it that modern 60s style, the sculpting of the AR-15 as we see it, is a style issue for the period. The idea, well we can do it, it's aluminum and we'll show you how much we can do. Well, why? The majority of what's being done there, I mean it looks neat, but and of course you know the idea was that you'd be shaving off a few ounces here and there and with the Air Force that was critical. For a ground-pounding infantry weapon combined with the fact that a lot of people have been talked into the shorter barrel, so you're carving off some weight there, a lot of people have been talked into the polymer collapsing stocks, so you've shaved off some weight there. So adding an ounce or half an ounce or maybe two ounces to the upper and lower receivers by making them a little square, I'll bet, you know, again simplifying production means they can make more in less time. In fact, it's less likely you're going to have any blem's, darn it, because I love the sales items. But think about this, the fewer curves and curly cues and the straighter and flatter the cut, the more likely you're not going to make any errors in programming or set when it comes to being in the jig and all the other things that can make oopsies on a piece of metal. So, just think about, again, expect that, perhaps with the polymer, with what we consider Gen 4, I believe, but definitely the polymer uppers are in motion. If they do that, you could, Don, you can go with a, you'd be going with a polymer lower, you'd be going with a metal tube for the buffer tube, but you'd be going with an all plastic collapsible stock for about 21, 22 dollars. You're looking at, obviously, the buffer and buffer spring, they have to be what they've always been. Now here's the kicker, guys there's two ways you can go with internals and Don I didn't catch this until recently because there's a couple different companies doing it. Guys there is now an entire modular trigger group that just drops right in. You know, before down we've had all the pivot and cross pin and connectors and things that had to be done to line everything up, right? You have to put that hole in just the right place and then you might have to remit the size. Yeah, well, apparently, although they aren't cheap, they aren't cheap cheap, but if I was looking at ease in production in a military situation, this is a drop-in, accurateized trigger on top of everything else in one module form. Now, I believe If they haven't posted it, I think Ares Armor has them posted on their page right now. What this does is it means that once the space is milled out, everything drops in. It's actually a spring and recovery pin system that is set up. And the other option is to go plastic. They make an entire internal polymer working parts system, lower system, for the inside of a lower AR-15. What do you lubricate that with? Dry graphite, probably like they're doing with the beta mags, is what I'm thinking. Because that's where they went with the Betamags and a lot of that's plastic too. It's in the same kind of polymers. There are two models out there. The one that's the original has a little more steel on it. People have to qualify that for them because they haven't seen the new ones, which are the next wave. They've incorporated more of the polymer there and thickened the walls and spots. Again, the idea is that graphite is offered with or a graphite type lubricant or dry lube is offered with the Betamags. And I think I'd go the same way, although remember, Gibbs won't affect the plastic in any way. That's one thing that's already been proven, and certainly not the Kevlar and the polymers of the type we're talking about. But the other consideration is, for the most part, it may not even need any lubricant. If it would, it'd be a very minimal amount. The interesting thing is that then we're looking at the upper being a polymer. The hand guards are plastic with our aluminum armored shield, if they're the traditional. You're looking at whatever weight barrel and standard metal, aluminum, well, for the stainless steel gas tube, your front sight assembly, which is still being made of aluminum for the time being, and whatever, you know, for your barrel and flash air configuration, pretty well, that's the gun. But you're looking at more weight obviously forward, which is not a bad thing for most rifles, guys. Center of mass forward is not a bad thing to help keep that muzzle down. In general, there's not that much, there's hardly any weight to the weapon to begin with. You're now looking at a .223 woodchuck rifle that's got the weight of a .22 rimfire glenfield. That's in realistically. If they, in fact, even with only an aluminum upper and a plastic lower, you're still pretty close to that. So if you can't handle carrying that, you know, I can't carry the R-15, but if you carry a .22, it's like, okay. Considering how you can shave the weight off an AR-15, I mean you can virtually skeletonize it. There's one thing I haven't seen, and I'm surprised somebody hasn't done this just to demonstrate, you know, like what you were talking about Don, you know, an airborne gun. I'm not worried about all the Picatinny rails. Most of them are a Superfluous and it's neat that everybody's got spiny things on their rifles. That will disappear. In fact, you're already seeing that they're making picatinny rail caps to go over all of the rails. Guys, have you noticed this? There's a reason for that because sharp, pointy perpendicular objects on things have a tendency to snag things no matter how hard you try. Low drag and high speed. Yeah, and that fatigues you because your body has to compensate for drag. It ain't talking dressing in drag and looking like Bill Clinton or Mario Cuomo or old bad ears in the outhouse when they go to the bath house trying to look like a girl. I'm not talking about that kind of drag. I'm talking about physical drag. Well, it's a drag that they're there. It's the same kind of mental drag. Anyway, the point is that with weapons in the field, especially in this environment where we are here, Streamlining the weapons to the point, as I've emphasized time to give, is so critical, especially in a foliage environment, that something as simple as the Pickle Fork Flash Hider, which is only about 3-quarters of an inch of surface at the front of that weapon, guys, with a Pickle Fork time that was open. One of the first changes that the U.S. Army grunt asked for was a closed basket flash hider. Because you would think that well, I can't be that critical the original idea was at the time when everybody was doing that and by the way stoner wasn't the only one that did the open pickle fork the pickle fork flash hider is a barb is a wire cutter or a barbed wire cutter does everybody understand that That what it was designed to do is you stick that you literally take the wire shove it into the flash hider and pull the trigger There's your wire cut and the idea behind that is rather than guys, you know, snipping and whatever and not be one guy guide up yet Boom! You hit the wire, boom! And since the wire's inside the pickle fork, it can't get away. So it was guaranteed that you were going to slice it. The FNFAL built the same way. They made a number of different models. And they made a number of different models, even for the HK. In fact, the HK has the tool anyway. Have you looked at the end of a military HK flash hider, guys? Look closely at it. You'll notice that on the HKG3 slash HK91, The G3. Have you ever wondered what those divots are for that are at the end of the flash hider? They're like a couple of half moon crescents cut into the face of the flash hider. You ever wonder what those might be for? Want to guess? Bisecting wire. It might be the cost of a .308. Hey, by the way, point the barrel towards the bad guys anyway. The barbed wire is probably in front of them. In the idea of say, at least you're making noise. Well, it was a neat idea and it was one of those in vogue things that came out of the 50s competitions with all the different rifles that were being developed after World War II. It caught on and then it kind of faded away. Now, the thing is that just that little surface space though in Vietnam, it catch on everything. It hanging vines, shrubs, anything you like. How many times have you seen guys do this even with a bayonet? In fact, typically with a bayonet on. They'll kind of use the bayonet to kind of probe things and they're figures on the trigger and if anything looks like it's going to move in their direction, the next thing you're going to hear is a burst of fire. You know what I mean? Or if not a... AHHH! As he sticks them with the bayonet. The fact of the matter is that barrels have a tendency to move forward of the troop. And because of that, they're literally the first point cutting the trail. Well, something open on the end of that or anything that is perpendicular to that weapon has a tendency to snag. The first time it does it, you are going, ah. The second time you do it, you are going, ah. The third time you are going, son of a bummer. About the 20th time. The 30th time and 40th time, they are excluded, deleted sometimes that are mentally expressed constantly. Then you're trying to figure how can I fix this and of course in the field you can't and then you realize there's no parts to fix it with So then there are complaints people have another thing to gripe about and it cascades with other problems The weapon had wrong powder to mention the guy's mother that designed the thing. Yeah It's not his fault. It was supposed to go to the Air Force and he told everybody that years ago guys He did stoner in all the old interviews. We can find any of the old interviews He explained exactly what the AR-15 was for. So it's not Mr. Stoner's fault. Mr. Stoner told him where it should go and he told him where they could put it. Oh, wait a minute. I mean the rifle. Okay. And exactly where it could be used. In fact, it was intended for. But it was like, wow, this is a cool little thing. Let's check this out. Now, when it was offered to Special Forces in 1961-62, nobody wanted it. Everybody understands that. In 1961-62, AR-15 XM models were offered to First Special Forces in Vietnam. They looked at them, they had so many cases of them actually available from the prototype. Actually, they were XM prototypes. But everybody looked at them and said, yeah, they're neat. No, I don't want one. Thank you very much. And they stuck with the weapons they were using. And in fact, that stayed that way until it was forced upon them later on in the war. Just something to think about. So anyway, the other issue is with regard to squaring out the AR-15. Well, weight is the only thing that would be significant. Otherwise, all of the critical component controls are identical. Any place where there was a need for a cleft or for a proper amount of accommodation in space, it's there. If you look at all these squared out AR-15 uppers that are being built right now. Typically the companies doing the uppers are also matching the lowers down, so they do look very sleek put together. All bet, one gear by comparison to the way most of you envision an AR-15, but they're strong and simpler to build, which means you know that if we needed a bunch of them, they could be cranking out more per hour. which is the other half of worrying about what's coming up in this country if we actually have to build, guys. Manufacturing facilities are down, raw materials are down. In fact, virtually everything is in the negative as far as where we are, so getting into a war, production priority means simplification from the get-go. I would point out that in World War II we did see the exact same thing even when we weren't in a desperation situation. Let me give you an example real quick of weapons variants. The 1927-1928 Thompson's that went into service versus the M1 Thompson which became standard production during the war. The compensator disappeared, the finish was simplified, no ribbed barrel for cooling, the standard M1A, A1 Thompson could not take a drum, the earlier Thompson's could. Later on, they even tried to simplify a little more and decided that they couldn't really go any farther with the Thompson, but needless to say the crease gun was the next step. Another area for commonality in production and for ease in training soldiers. In the beginning of World War II, we went into the war with the 1903 Springfield and the Johnson, some automatic rifle in the hands of the Marine Corps, along with the 1903 and its Marine Corps version. Those weapons use the forward sight for sight for the receiver similar to the way the Mauser sites are set up on the K98 that you see with the Germans and or the Nagat rifle the way it's set up. They shifted the site with the 1903 A3 back to the rear of the receiver. Now a lot of people don't think about why they did this, but here's how it works. Virtually every rifle had the same basic sight picture from that point forward, no matter which weapon you picked up. And that meant that there was very little turnaround time to training from one weapon to the next, guys. In other words, if I picked up the Thompson in its M1A1 configuration, it's called Peep and Barleycorn. If I were to pick up or peep and notch, if I were to pick up the Garand, peep and barley corn, if I picked up the carbine, peep and barley corn, if I picked up the O3A3, peep and notch, or in other words, peep and or barley corn, depending on whether or not I had the front sight clip-on protector slash guide, which was a deceptive thing because those weren't always properly centered and that's dangerous when it comes to the psychology of people trying to round up two holes and make them fit. That's something to consider. The barley corn protectors were probably the better choice. Again, still the basic rule is that notch needs to be in the center of that hole in order for you to hit what you're aiming at. Everybody figures out to make that work real quick. The nice thing about US government military stuff during World War II, virtually every weapon issued had what was the equivalent to other nations sniper or national match sites. And that was standard issue for everybody. Everyone had the ability to adjust their sight to meet their need, which is something that most countries, as you've noticed, look at the nagot, it had limited variance in terms of adjustability. The K-98 Mauser, limited variance with regard to adjustability. Now granted, in both cases, you're carrying the same rifle, and you should be, then you'd know what your point of impact is. The more you are shooting it, the better you are adapted to understand how to place that round downrange, which you will find out too if you are able to train. That gets to another thing with regard to ammunition issues right now. Still the most affordable rifle to train with a heavy battle rifle is the Nagat rifle guys. So I highly recommend that everybody out there get one. And by a whole case of ammunition, it is still the cheapest main battle rifle caliber in existence in the surplus inventories. The AK47 and AK74 for the light rifle training. There is some .223 that's come down a little bit. But for the most part, we're now seeing the 21st century prices with regard to the modern calibers. And that means that most of the American stuff especially, you're getting here biting the bullet. So anyway full circle back to the air 15 you can still put some really nice weapons together for a reasonable price One other thing down I want to touch on and again jump in here anytime want to please I don't mean to you know take up this hour, but Aries armor and we've mentioned Aries several times here of course they have a sale right now on What is an AR-15 upper? And Dom, this is one of those, oh they included everything including the kitchen sink and they wanted about a thousand some odd dollars for this upper originally. And looking at the price of what everybody else is going for on these things, it's not outrageous, it sounds outrageous, but guys go look at joeboboutfitters.com at the price of uppers. Take a look at this upper that I'm talking about here in a moment which is available through Aries. And when you look at it, understand that this particular beast is, well, actually reasonably priced at $497.96. In other words, $500. I'll throw the extra dollar and some odd change in. However, this is not a hollow upper receiver group. In other words, this has everything. Charging handle, it has the bolt-bolt carrier, it has the forward assist. Everything is installed, everything is in place. It's a flat top and it has the alloy extended upper hand guard which makes it quite a system the way it's set up. I would normally recommend this but looking at the price for this, if you guys are wanting to put a build together that's really nice and if you do have a little extra dollars to spend This is a good choice. It has all the best features with regard to building up an AR-15 platform so you can throw your night vision on. It doesn't have iron sights on it. It has a full-length picatinny rail from the end of the gas system, guys, all the way to the back of the receiver just before the charging handle's done. So anything that you've got on the shelf in night vision would go on this weapon. and any optics if you want to throw a 20 power or 22 power scope on this it have no problem holding it and it would be comfortably placed at your discretion based upon where you needed to put it. Again, the only thing I'd be curious about if somebody would do is take one of those alloy fronts like this where they have the alloy hand guard strip out all the excess. Strip out everything except what minimally needs to hold it together. Now you combine that with all the other ultralight things we've been talking about doing and I think that would be a very interesting light rifle to tuck away in an aircraft or have stuck away in some place where weight is especially critical. And then we're talking in some ways able to possibly shave the thing down under four and a half pounds. But that's just me, be something curious. Now we're at the bottom. Don, your number for night vision, what do you have available because we know there's been a price change. A lot of people are looking for first gen, but they also need to look at first generation seriously if they're going to buy it because there's going to be a change, isn't there? Oh yes, but before we move away from that rifle, really good, almost pistol-like heavy, you know, let's think about Desert Eagles. How much does a Desert Eagle weigh, Mark? It's not the same as this AR-15. You can do a lot more with the AR-15. I don't mind a Desert Eagle, but if it was a choice, I'm telling you, you're looking at the weight on this thing would be comparable. What we're doing is bumping up a little bit longer barrel, a greater magazine capacity, something that everybody's familiar with, not to mention it, that kind of weight. Think about what's that phrase mark that people do when they're clear buildings. Think about slicing a pie with that. It's almost as if there is nothing in your hand. The difference between a samurai sword and a claymore, one is going to get there just a little bit quicker. Granted, it might not hit as hard, but when you're talking at arm's length or just beyond, the right tool for the right job, you guys. If you're looking at, again, slicing the pie, that might be it. what you got going. I wouldn't hit anybody with my ultralight AR-15 out of fairytale. I actually would break it. Yeah, I think at least two. But the Desert Eagle 1 works all the time. Yeah, the Desert Eagle, for clubbing people, is definitely the heads up. Oh, pardon the pun. The heads up. Anyway, but as far as looking at a lightweight AR, you're looking at 4.5 to 5 pounds. Think about what a Desert Eagle weighs. And it's just the idea, at least I could put a Van Ann on the end of it so I can sharp poke him to death rather than beating them if I can help it. That's the only problem with going light and it's true you bring up a point here that I've discussed many times is when you start going really really light Remember guys you have to exert more energy to make something work if you have to use it as a club And even then, well beware, it's kind of like that, you know, trying to beat somebody with a Glock. It doesn't mean you can't do it, and I know everybody immediately starts to become defensive of their Glocks, but having an extra pound or two made out of steel is usually a better choice because it takes more, you have to use more muscle energy. It doesn't mean you're not going to use the same amount with adrenaline, but you have to use more muscle energy to get any kind of end result. Whereas the heavier club by itself, Mr. Centrifugal Force, is your friend. I'm going to Yeah, maybe twice. Yeah, you still have a sharp magazine in the lower pistol grip to use to gouge them with You could turn it around stab him with it It'd be a short stab, but it'd be still you like it'd be a focused contact point So you look you know, like it's like a bow town, you know, like there you go. I gotcha We're joking but we're not joking. These are things to take into consideration. When I start talking about an ultra-light weapon, guys, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't use that 3 or 4 pound weapon as a club if I had to. But I would point out that, again, you have to understand the limitations of plastic and metal and wood. And in this case, with the ARs, if we're lightening an AR to that point, I would be doing it for two reasons. Number one. I always thought this way, a car 15 or a light rifle like that of any kind or even a chopped AR-15, which a lot of guys had in Vietnam. Yeah, I understand the quick shoot and scoot and it was a spray and pray submachine gun for assassination like with the Phoenix Project. But for the most part, the real place where that weapon had its use in a unit would be like the radio operator. And the only reason is because the RO's carrying a PRC 25 or a 77 or a whatever rig they had, 8, 9 or 10 depending on the era. A lighter weapon means that they can, again, you're not fatiguing the radio operator. He's got to carry spare batteries. He's got an extra 30, 40, or even up to 50 pounds of garbage he's got to carry with him, in addition to his basic fighting load. You're not carrying his house, are you? Yeah. He carries his own house. Yeah, we still haven't talked about the backpack. And that's true. In fact, one of the problems with the RO is, well, of course, that's why traditionally While you had an assigned RO typically for operations, traditionally in our groups guys, everybody traded off as being radio operator. That was the rule. Everybody was going to be an RO at one time or another because you wanted to loosen the guy up, you want everybody to rest. The whole rig takes a minute or two to switch a person over to especially back in the day when it was the TA56 gear. Remember the PRC77s have their own backpack with a lower fixture for the butt pack so you don't have to connect and disconnect that way. That way you can leave it off your fighting harness. Well the problem is everybody else is carrying a butt pack and yours is attached to the radio pack. Now you might also carry two anyway because a lot of times you took that butt pack, the Type 56 3-day pack, we would take that and load that up with all the extra junk I needed for the radio anyway. I mean, you'd want another headset. You typically had, even though you have a carrier pack, I know all about these guys, you've got a carrier bundle for your antennas and it even has a slot for a handset. But another handset or a smaller, there were two models of handsets and handsets and headsets that were separate. If you're going to carry that separate headset with a handset, which is a single mic like on a CB but it's built like the old handsets you see on the 77s, those would go in that little fanny pack along with two or three more batteries depending on which battery you had. If you had the old batteries, maybe no more than two in that buck pack. If you had the newer batteries, four. They end with the same output and basically the same performance and range of use. Just something to think about so more batteries are better carrying up Let's see let's put it this way carrying a big box on your back that weighs so much if you don't have batteries for it it's kind of useless and Even though your plan is that somehow the batteries are gonna work perfectly Here's the basic rule your batteries like your rifle was made by the lowest bidder you figure out what happens The first battery worked flawlessly and operated for its full potential, but the second battery I plugged it in, radio worked, and all of a sudden I start to fade. So I shut my radio off, I check my freak again, turn it back on, and she lights up, and I count to 10, and she fades. Didn't plan on that. Yeah, so guess what I have to do? I've got to open up the battery can, change the battery out to the old battery which was failing, but at least I had some signal with that. And meanwhile, there is nothing I can do. I can break open the pack and look to see because there is probably some haywire connection on one of those multiple little batteries because it is not one cell when you see the PRC batteries. It is not one cell guys. There are several different cells in there. All it takes is one connection that's kind of off, even though they were ruggedized. Thin wire, somebody taps something with a solder iron, that was the most common thing you'd find. It was burned through the insulation and burned partially through the wire. You don't have the capacity that you need. Not only that, but that fusible link that they made burned out. It literally, at a given point, she fails. So now you're carrying a piece of battery, a battery you don't want to throw away until you can look at it but is not serving any purpose and you have to burn calories. And meanwhile, like Don said, you're still carrying your house load. You're carrying everything you need to eat, everything you need to sleep, all your water. So you're looking at 60 to 70 pounds of that plus the radio rig plus the spares everything else involved Oh and by the way, don't forget we're going one way I've told just before about being heavy infantry So I'm gonna give you a coil of field telephone wire too by the way and don't forget you get to carry two laws rockets because we're going in heavy and Don't forget that you get to carry a couple of hundred round bundles for the m60 gunner Because he needs spares It's only a hundred rounds per bag. I had my ultralight tent and my ultralight rifle and I had my ultralight backpack and I had my ultralight this and my ultralight that. By the time I packed everything I wasn't very ultralight. It works. Just remember that guys. Again, it looks cool. That's why I always laugh at most of these movies or even video games because they're pulling stuff out of their arse. Where did that come from? Did you seem carrying any of that while we were while they were trekking and schlepping and he was taking his helmet off and had the perfect combed hair? Anybody? You know, oh and we have rockets up the arse too. I always love that one. Here's another thing and I do want to bring this up. Weapon systems. What do you think the combat weight of an RPG rocket is? Not talking to launcher guys. I'm talking a rocket. See because now we're on this subject. This is why Again, you don't just burn this stuff up. Contrary to all the movies and television where they show you this, man, they're just boys in a way with stuff. What would they pull this stuff out of? Because what's the combat weight of a, for instance, a Viper missile, a Viper rocket for any tank? What's the weight of a laws rocket for any tank? What's the weight of any one of the different number of types of rockets used in the army units? of Sometimes a reloader or a loader might have three on his backpack, maybe four. He might have an extra one slung over his shoulder and that's about it because he's still going to carry his rifle. So when you see all this BS where they just throw stuff blazing away and all its funeral resist and blah blah, shut up. In reality, and that's why people always qualify this based on all of this artistic work done as opposed to the reality of life. Especially having to do with just moving stuff. By the way, look outside. See that snow? Have you ever tried to move with all the junk we just described cross country with that on the ground? Oh, that's fun. That's why they made skis and sleds. We've talked about that before too. Anyway, I tell you what, Don, night vision technology, you have it. We want to put it on this AR-15 with the big old flat top here made by Ares Armor. How can we get hold of you? What would we put on there in a first-gen site, sir? Well, that first-generation site you mentioned, Mark, that'll come with a rail built right. It's a purpose-built gun site to the extent that it'll live on top of your AR-10, you know, your .308, live on top of your M1. integral rail that you can thumb screw down to a weaver or a picatinny, a 7-8 or a 1-inch rail respectively. Thumb screw it right down. No tools required, but if you really want to snug it down and you're going to be working all day, it buys about a 64th of a turn with a little wrench or something. Just to make certain that it stays snug and you don't lose that zero. talking about a zero, you guys, things are so precise these days. Once you were to gain a zero with this device, you could take it off, put it back in the bag. If you've got a box, some come in a bag, some come in a box. Spar in the same notch, thumb-screw it back down, and you'll be within an inch at 100 yards. Now that's not exactly a repeatable zero, but it's really close to a repeatable zero to the extent that we could even, you know, use two words there, you know, a compound word and another word, repeatable zero. And that would be in a device that last year cost $429 right in your mailbox. This year I can put it right in your mailbox for $400. If you want to talk to me about that night vision device, you can reach me at... That's a first generation gun sight. You can reach me at... When we talk about the plastic lowers or... apparently plastic uppers are coming online. WD-40 is going to be a good lubricant for your machine work. I'm told Mark that Gibbs tends to do application but WD-40 you guys works pretty good. Not to mention WD-40 if you're drilling or reaming on those aluminum lowers. WD-40 keeps galling the wall that you are cutting or the plastic. for one thing and comes in handy for a whole lot of others. I wanted to bring this up yesterday, Mark. It's kind of a communications Tuesday thing, but it's kind of a weapons Wednesday thing too. This past weekend, Saturday, I'm driving through town and I get to an intersection where I'm positively for certain. I'm already in the turning lane. I'm committed to making a right-hand turn there. I glance over the little red pickup trucking in the back window. You can go down to your local print shop or if you've got somebody who's got a computer and the right things and the right tools, you can create these big white printout things. Sometimes it's in memory of, or it's a deer head, or it's the little guy peeing on something, be it a Chevy or a Ford or a Dodge or a Volkswagen or a Porsche or on and on and on. Mark, the back window of this pickup truck was filled with a few words. That computer, you know, laser cutter or whatever, I'm not certain. Biggest could be you could read it a bit of a mile away if you had real good eyes. You know, that eighth of a mile, 440 yards. The print in the back of the pickup truck Mark said, execute. Now, when I first looked at it, you know, that subconscious thing and sometimes, you know, wishes and dreams and whatnot and Oh, Don's Dyslexia came up. I looked at it and I thought in the immediate seat, I thought, well, execute killer cops. No, it really did say execute cops. Now there's a big deal going on here in Walter Michigan and one could even say Michigan because there was a cop shot late last year by some 21, 22 year old guy, two counties to the west of me, Mark. And well, he's on trial right now. So perhaps, you know, you guys, people put like support local police or they buy these sticks for the police and they put them in the window. You hope that if you get pulled over, I'm wondering why a lot of people do this. The cop comes walking up and he sees the sticker and he might let you off with a warning instead of giving you a ticket. What would we call that? The suck-up personality. The milk toast personality. If you look that up, it's not M. There is a Q in that word, milk, properly. It makes me wonder about the person that would put something in the window like that. If there is a, gee, I really don't give me a ticket because I'm on your side. It just makes me wonder the motivation. Again, this was so big, even little children could read it easily had they graduated the third grade. It just makes me wonder the mentality of how someone can be so caught up in the police state. Let's talk about trickle down for a moment Mark because there are still those that can say, my country, right or wrong. Beyond that, there are those that would say my country can do no wrong. Even right down to the local level. The cops can't do no wrong. They're policemen. They wouldn't do anything wrong. So I wonder the mentality of the person that hunk of letters in the back window of that pickup truck execute cops. It's still facsimile of a free nation and free speech and all this, that and the other thing. And he can put in the back window whatever he wants. Mark, it's just a little bit funny. Only if you're with the regime. Only if you're with the regime. We know how that works. Only if you're with the regime. If it's us peasants, we're evil. Anything else. If you brought up the other half of that, it's like, perhaps, killer cops. Execute killer cops or hang killer cops. Heaven forbid. This is how the planet's got attitude right now. In fact, most of the population does. Anyway, a couple of things here real quick on that note is, and I should remind everybody, guys, We have a lot of different venues that we can get into and we didn't get a chance to really talk about that this much yesterday. But guys pass out information on how to find us. And I am very serious about this because a lot of people are just assuming or figuring that gravity will work and it does to a degree. I mean a lot of people are finding because they're pissed off about what's going on. They're finding out what's happening. I'm going to remind everybody again that we need your help to make sure we spread the word. The only way that's going to happen is if all of you pitch in and help. You might have noticed if you watch what I do on Facebook or web pages, blogs, wherever I go, you're going to see I use my name flat out. But I will always post Liberty Tree Radio and or the micro effect on the page, on the comment, when I do a comment. By the way, www.liberty3radio.4mg.com and www.themicroeffect.com. Go ahead, Ed. I had to interrupt you, but we are still having a delisting problem. I am going to, at the top of the hour, turn the broadcast completely off. restart everything and hopefully that will relist the station again but I'm gonna wait until we close out the intelligence report this is not gonna affect the call-in line it is only gonna affect the live 365 stream and possibly spikes rebroadcast stream so Spike if you're listening if you're there probably need you to get the IP address from me when you get back to your computer Want to give that heads up because I sent him very good, but I didn't get an answer back from spike and I know he's probably this That's going to be about top of this hour right now top of this hour in fact right now So for everybody out there listening we're going to shut down and disconnect and we're just going to stay where we are but everybody else hooking up Just be pay attention and it's going to shut the entire system down got rebooting so to speak and we'll see what happens Sound good? Don, again, your number for night vision, please. That number is 2317968458. And for everybody out there listening, guys, remember, we've got a lot of work to do, but we need to get out to more people. To do that, we need your help spread the word, please. Take the time and let people know how to get hold of, link to Liberty Tree Radio and the Micro Effect. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the rung. But we are on the march, both day and night. Hurrah. We'll be back in just a little bit. Don, you're number for night vision encloses, please. Bet number 2317968458. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America.