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You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors, so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torture freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? And good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the... First hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Kernke. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and north. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4mg.com, we're on AM and FM micro stations, CB base stations, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi, along with Alaska. We're on the Hallmark Network on Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. 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For the restaurant crews, grandma teams, OK teams, and the Ma Bill Grandma Consortium of Retired Telecommunications Workers bring us the Goldens. many hands make for late work a million petticoat junction operators the ability to continue to function when everything else is offline it is a beautiful but clear blue warm day means you're gonna be freezing our arse off as soon as that sun disappears tonight because we have no cloud cover on the horizon but otherwise been a beautiful day winter day out there Just a little above or about freezing but comfortable enough get some work done split some wood Move some other snow before it freezes down tonight. Oh, yeah, you remember that one and dry stuff off where it's got a nice dark surface because it was warm enough that stuff would evaporate off a little heat underneath little sunshine, you know across the whole of the field here and We've actually got a few spots that turned a little bare today only because I shoveled the snow down close to the grass and Yeah, we even got some grass showing. Not much, because otherwise we got plenty of snow. Plenty of snow. It is, as you know, the 12th of February. It is the sixth year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K-2014 Old Earth calendar or Mayan. Crazy town, crazy town. Yeah, that's crazy town calendar. You know how that works. So it is, of course, Wednesday. That means it's Weapons Wednesday. And I'm kind of bouncing around trying to find out about a few things. Didn't get all the information I wanted to today about ammunition. And just after we finished the program, I made several calls. And actually, we were out and about, was able to, after I got back, take care of a few more. But I don't see anything in particular that's making me go, wow. In other words, well, what's out there is out there. It's what we've been seeing for the last year and a half, catch-as-catch can. One of the things that is happening again is as people are finding those little pods here and there of ammo. Well, they're taking the time to take what resources they have, work together, and clean the place out. Don't be surprised at some of what you're going to see there. 308 ammunition inventories seem to be coming back up a little bit in certain areas depending on where you are. Now they might have variety, but they don't necessarily have mass quantities. So I know that several times now people have swept in and cleared out the house, as they say. Well, what's happened is the systems haven't been replaced, and that's going to be a constant ongoing issue. It doesn't mean the same breed or the same flavor of ammunition isn't going to show up somewhere else. It is. And as a matter of fact, if you don't find it, In one part of the planet or with the original company you were perhaps dealing with, again, if you're looking for the same flavor of ammunition, somebody else may have gotten the rest of what came in. So that's another reason to sweep across and look for consistency in ammunition for bullet projectile load, brass case, steel case, you know, a huggy bear, silver bear, golden bear flavor, you know, that there's many, many, many out there. No matter how we look at it, if you run into a situation where you wanted to purchase more of the same, you know, the basic same system that you've already been adapted to, you've already sighted the weapons in on, you're going to have to call around. It's just that simple. And I don't see that changing a whole lot on the horizon. Now, on the other hand, with purchasing power, you can clean out whole categories within a very short period of time and while even UNAMMO.com which by the way is one of those places out in Arizona some of the people out there listening have already been dealing with this guy UNAMMO.com is kind of fun only in that very bottom like some companies don't necessarily post this but at the very bottom of the page scroll all the way down to the bottom they have palette deals no way Well, they do have pallet deals, but I notice they don't have really deep pictures of the warehouse there because you might notice you don't see the same pallet stacked up over and over and over again behind the pallet that they took a picture of. Anybody notice that? Now, they do have some interesting buys, and I'm just going to go over those. These are again large volume resellers or investors. Well, how about malicious slash combat infantry units? Wolf, 223 Gold. three pallets in stock. Let's see, it is 45,000 rounds of 223 and that is only $15,995. shipped to anywhere in the US in the 48 not in Hawaii not in of course Hawaii or Alaska but for the lower 48 1,000 5 you know 15 forgive me 15,000 would be one of those lat cheap $15,995 for a pallet which is 45,000 rounds and it's a full 45 case pallet is what they're saying so that's the number that you'd have on the pallet 20 rounds to a box, 1,000 rounds to a case, 45 cases to a pallet. That's 45,000 rounds, which in reality if everybody just bought 1,000 rounds, that's only 45 customers. Yeah, it's not very many. Anyway, but it is enough. And they do have three pallets of that Wolf 223 at $15,995 per. They also have Red Army FMJ or hollow point I go the red army. They got two pallets in stock They have about two whole pallets in stock, but they do have them in stock otherwise in a little bit They probably be breaking open and issuing them on you know selling them, but oh Let's see six range packs containing each K. Each case contain 1,800 rounds not 1,000 This is an opportunity for an investor. 51,840 rounds per pallet. And again, I go the ball ammo. And what's the price for that? Well, for 51,840 rounds, now when you compare that, 45,000 rounds for 16,000. But Red Army, 7.62x39, 51,000 rounds. Hey, wait a minute. That's a lot more ammo. 51,000 rounds and for a lot less money, $12,500. So that means you can actually put a lot more bullets down range in 7.62x39 still. Even though it's not cheap, it's still cheaper than the .223. They have one pallet of the Wolf 120-year grain hollow point for $17,995 and that's for 72,000 rounds of ammunition. So again, actually when you figure, although I'm not excited about the hollow point, but in fact, one of our friends I mentioned, and whatever you do, don't get the hollow point, he goes, oh yeah, I've had that with my rubber myos-cas. I won't do that again. So certain weapons have a problem with those hollow point rounds, guys, because they don't want to feed ball ammo, bat ball ammo, pick up the ball ammo first. go that way. And again, the ID behind that is more ammo for less money whenever possible. So, again, who have we been talking about? Well, the company is www.unamo.com. They're located outside of Phoenix, Arizona. I believe they're in the Glendale area, so I'm going to have to double check that. I'm going to find out more. I haven't even bothered to run a map search on it to see where they exactly are located. They do have their address on the page. But if you want to find out more go down through their scroll one or two Ammunitions that they do have in stock and I will point this on again they have the they got revolver ammunition brand new in the box preview partisan and It's a reasonable price especially when you figure it's brand new factory Serbian. Okay The other thing that they have is S&B 762 by 25 for the Tokarev pistols and all you CZ 52 shooters out there They have a big bunch of that ammunition and it's 1,500 rounds per case for $569. Now if you're down there in that neck of the woods, I'd be going down there and picking this stuff up. If you're in Arizona or anywhere within reasonable driving distance, straight to the location, I would go pick it up. But those two calibers, 7.62x25 and the Nagat, a lot of you bought those pistols for $69, $89, $100 per unit, and you may have bought a percentage of that cheap 4 cents around ammunition and 5 cents around ammunition when I told you to. But if you're new to the game and you got only a little bit, maybe didn't have that much stacked up, At least the cool thing about the S&B is it's non-corrosive brass case, boxer primed, ready for reloading after you shoot it. The preview part is on, the PPU 7.62x38R, they got ammo, is fresh and brand new and definitely worth picking up. So there's a couple of solutions there to work out pretty well for you. Want to check them out? Again, go to www.unmo.com. I heard a ding. I don't want to leave anybody out. Do we have a caller? And I don't think we have done with this yet. We're working on that. We'll see what's going on there in a minute. Also, I would remind you that there are some, of course there's lots of 223 in mixed types. At least 10 cases of each, 10 plus cases of each in stock, but what they're identifying they do have some tracer. But one of the other things that they do have a small quantity of in terms of selection is 30-Ot-6. Now there's not a whole lot of companies that have Ot-6 in any good number, but there is some Ot-6 at unmo.com. Now, another company that has been carrying it has been Aim Surplus. They've had a couple of different loads. They have on and off been carrying the Korean, well it's actually American Surplus Korean-issued ammunition that's come back over here, the OTSIX, in the mixed ammo cans, guys. Now, because of that, Again, you're going to have to spot check to see what they get in or what they're able to resupply over a period of time. Can't guarantee they've got it now. Can't do any more than say you would recommend that you take the time, plug in, check to see if they have any OTSIX on the shelf right now if they do. Maybe preview partisan. Nope right now actually AIM surplus is sold out once again of the Ot6. They got some preview partisan. PPU 165 grain ball but that's sold out today as a matter of fact sold out this afternoon because they did have it this morning. So that's another one where the Ot6 catch it as catch can. Also Since a lot of people were discussing in fact, I just had this conversation this morning about the 300 wind mag belted wind mags Yes, they are a good option Again, the PPU stuff if you see it It's the cheapest in the country the 300 wind mag made by preview partisan is a hundred well Seventeen dollars and ninety-five cents for 20 round for a 20 round box. That's a belted Magnum load So that's not a bad price at all now granted. There are heavier bullets and the 165 grain But this is a loaded factory configuration ready to go and prices under $20 a box. If you run into the preview partisan, grab it. It's definitely worth shooting. We've already had guys using the OTS-6 and the 3030 Winchester. Both of them function flawlessly. They've had no complaints. They reload up nice and definitely are serviceable. So we're heading towards the bottom of the hour. A couple of the things that I wanted to touch on. You know, we talked about 25 automatics and 22s the other day. But there is another category of pocket pistol that really is a little step up. Typically the frames are what we call small to medium frame semi-automatic pistols. There are also revolvers in 32, both in 32 short and 32 Smith and Wesson, and even the newer Reno new chambering 32 Smith and Wesson Magnum. or the 32 mag as they're called. Now in the 32 it is definitely a Barking Dog. One thing about the 32 ACP it is a Barking Cartridge. Depending on the load ball ammunition is again what I prefer. I know everybody goes well to get some energy out of it you gotta have a you know cart mouth, super hollow point, star cluster, expand-o-matic round. That's not true. The 32 has killed a lot of people. It is a very very much an ice pick round. 380 Auto pretty much sits in the same category. Everybody's jumped up to 380 Auto, so that seems to be the lowest that everybody's going with regard to new production. There's a lot of 32 ACP out there. There's a lot of 32 automatic pistols out there. I'd be just as happy to carry it. Yes, I know. Mark, you always seem to be happy to carry it. I'd understand what I can do with it. First of all, had a lot of 32 ACPs from the Czech Model 27s, which you hardly ever see anymore. Those are World War II Surplus. Most of those are all collector's items. PPKs, PPs, Rangers, Sterling's in .32 and .380 Auto, again as medium frame, about the size of what you now see as a common gun, the Makarov or the PA-63. Now even the PA-63 comes in .32 ACP depending on when it was built. Again, contract issues with regard to the gun being built for a particular nationality, 32 ACP was a very common carried cartridge in military circles in Europe and in fact also for law enforcement. It will kill you. You will die. Do not think. Somebody says, oh, all he's got is a 32. Stupid people will think, hey, it's a smaller caliber or a smaller bullet. Ah, you know, I'm just gonna have some fun with him. Yeah, okay, unless you think about the fact that maybe the reason the guy's carrying the pistol is that he knows what to do with it, which means he knows where to put the bullet maybe, like just because it's a smaller weapon, that may just be for convenience. Okay, if the person understands how to make the weapon work, then you're in trouble. So, Again, Barking Dog, the other thing, as a defense weapon, it makes a lot of noise, it draws a lot of attention, and most people, you know, initially are going to think it's a bigger weapon than it probably, well, than it is, actually. The .32 can be had in Silvertip, all kinds of special Superstopper rounds. If I were to buy something like that, I would only have a small quantity of the hollow point ammunition, and I would only load the first round up into the chamber and have it in the tube ready to go, everything else in the magazine, ball ammunition. Now why would I do that? Well we have discussed stacking ammo. There's not as great a variety of stuff to really buy for the 38, you know, 32 ACP. So, my logic is that first round when I pull the trigger, he's probably somewhere where I can see him. But after that first bark and bite, especially if there's a bite attached to it you hit, which you should, chances are you're looking at obstacles between you and what you're trying to shoot at. So the .32, while it's not a dirty hairy gut, and it's not going to go through blocks and bricks, it's not going to go through steel plate unless it's Check AP. Oh, that's right. They made Check AP all over the place for the .32 ACP Scorpion pistol. And a bunch of that came in back about, oh, 6'7", actually also 15 years ago. And it's still floating around in little 25 round boxes. And if you see that, don't burn that up. That's AP ammunition. You'll notice it has a very different conical, double-step conical face to the projectile. That is a hot 32 round, and it is a bugger. It will go through pieces of obstacle like bones, It goes nicely through even some light armor. It was in body armor. It was designed to do that. And the Scorpion pistol was designed to fire three round bursts, so you got tapped with three 90 round projectiles one after another. Yeah, progressive kinetic force slash delivered energy. The equivalent to, say, getting hit, well, three different places, with the energy of greater than a 45 ACP round. That's the argument and that's the logic. Actually, they're pretty successful these rounds. Now, the 32 ACP itself, otherwise, again, lends itself towards defense, although just as many... It's bizarre, because even as I say that, just as many people have carried them into combat and have been leading troops. European forces use the 32 ACP for Officer Corps. and for special issue to personnel, typically secret police, security personnel, etc. Of course, their logic was they're going to be shooting people in the back of the head. But it's interesting that, because it does bark like a dog, it's a little bit more difficult to sort out amongst the rounds that are out there. And rather disturbing, in many cases, most people see a small weapon they think, small noise. So that's another thing taken into consideration with regard to the psychological effect on the uninitiated. The other thing is that typically if you buy a .32 or if you have, let me give you an example, a .32 ACP Browning, Model 1910 or Model 1922, or a Savage .32 Smith & Wesson, or a, there's a whole long list of guns. Sterling, I mentioned the Sterling. Guys, do you know what it takes to change out the gun? Barrel change and in some cases magazines, but not always. Oh, in other words, well, you see, you've got to remember something about the 32 ACP. A little challenge for you here. What kind of rim is the 32 ACP? Is it an auto rim? Is it a semi-rimmed or a rimmed case? I kind of gave you the middle answer there. It's a semi-rimmed case. Now, because of this, this actually will settle well into the 32 Smith and Wesson and 32 Smith and Wesson long. You can take 32 ACP and people have dropped that into the cylinder of those revolvers. and they work. And the reason? It's a semi-rim case. It won't drop into the chamber. It actually will seat where it's supposed to. Now because of this, the extractor has to accommodate that semi-rim, which is actually a larger, slightly larger diameter than the body of the case of the cartridge. Now what this lends towards is the fact that the 38 on the 380 ACP, which all you also know is 9mm curts in Europe, Basically, the extractor position and base are pretty much the same. So switching out the barrel and a few other parts, depending on the weapon, most cases just the barrel and the mag, and you have two calibers and one gun that can be on standby. It might not be a bad idea to pick up the barrels if they're available. Browning Model 1919s or forgive me, Browning Model 1910s and Browning Model 1922s. Barrels used to be available for $8 a piece, spare mags for $6 a piece. And these were actual Browning products, guys. Now the neat thing is you could buy a spare, if you had a 380 Auto, you could buy a spare 32 barrel for about $8. If you had a 32, the 380 Auto barrels were more in demand, so they could be as high as $12. Woo hoo! And that's not that long ago. In fact, those browning-type pistol parts are still laying around in the system. More often you'll find the .32 ACP barrels. So if you do have a .32 Browning, yes, you can buy extra barrels, which I would highly recommend. You could also, and still fairly cheap, you know, typically around $12 to $15 now, if you're lucky, if you find one that's used, and Sarco may have some available. Price will vary depending upon stampings, markings, when the barrel was made and for which of the Browning Model 1910s or 1922s that barrel was built for. But both calibers are still out there in force. Since magazines may be completely interchangeable in terms of the ammunition, you have to experiment with that. You have to do a little research on the gun that you may have purchased. A lot of the pocket pistols from back from about 1900 through to present day, although they'd be a lesser company in modern times, not as many do 32 ACP, if any at all, that are US, they typically both have been using the same frame and the same slide and all the other same critical components except change out in magazine in some cases and certainly change out in barrel. So even like I said, the PA-63, buying a second barrel if you have a 380 Auto, PA-63, well, or a Macarof, 9mm Macarof PA-63, you can buy 380 barrels and 32 barrels, 32 ACP barrels, for that gun. Giving you three options on the shelf. Which is kind of nice can't get macro of ammo. Maybe you can get 32 ammo if you can't get 32 ammo Maybe you can get 380 auto ammo. Oh In other words, I could switch out back and forth with no significant issues With regard to making that weapon work, you know function as a combat arm in the field What do you think? So anyway again just ideas not just complaining about the problems You may have that really fine little Colt that fine little browning that fine little sterling in the in the drawer Don't think about getting rid of it. Even if you did along for other firearms to bring up an online, I would highly recommend that you go with the weapon you've got. Keep it and then go with a second placement weapon purchased after saving up your bottle caps. I would not get rid of any of those arms. They're already cleaned and not paper and maybe they're inherited firearms from dad or grandpa especially. Don't you even think about getting rid of those. The big thing is finding spare parts and finding spare magazines. Again, e-circoinc.com. e-circoinc.com. e-circoinc.com. They have a whole lot of stuff and by the way don't count on just their web page I'm going to remind you that just to get you your point of contact there are many many many many items that E-Sarco Inc.com that Sarco has on the shelf that are not going to be on their web page There's just too much stuff. I mean they're pulling stuff out of the warehouse or the bunkers or the tunnels you know slash the mines on a regular basis. They keep rediscovering stuff that they haven't had listed for a while because somebody finally started moving crates around. This is true with barrels, magazines, spare parts, extractors, ejectors, slides, you name it. Right now I've noticed a handful of astro parts have come out from more than one company. Why? I don't know other than the Rent a Revolution companies may have made some deals. But for instance, slides, barrels, extractors for the Astra 600, which is a pretty common gun. It was embraced and adopted by the Luftwaffe during World War II, sometimes called the Spanish squirt gun because it's a round cylinder slide. It's a cylindrical slide, tubular, very interesting design. They used to be a very cheap weapon to buy. They're good, reliable firearm, nothing fancy. Hammerless, round, circular, cylindrical slide, and an eight-round in-line magazine capacity. Magazines are still available for them. Well, they also made those in a smaller model, a pocket pistol version of the Astra. That was both in. Oh, look at that. 32 ACP. Oh, that's right. And in 380 Auto. A lot of you guys out there listening back, oh, back in the early 90s, a small quantity of the 380 Auto Astra came into the country. They're built like a brick doghouse. They just feel good. They got just a good girth to them. And they work. I wouldn't get rid of them. Just reverse, buy lots and lots and lots and lots of ammo, and when you're done, buy more ammo. And when you're done, hey, how about some more mags and then some more ammo? And the Astromags are available. So that's another one of those little pocket pistols. They're too numerous to mention because, and in fact, back in the day, 100 years ago, there were probably over 300 different off-the-shelf brands of 25 Hottos. And I'm talking families of guns like Browning and Colt. There were many other, orcheez is one you don't see, advertised anymore, but they were out there in force and they made a lot of knockoffs and copies of everybody else's guns, including their own designs. Again, 25 automatic, 32 ACP, 380 auto. Don't get rid of them. Just make sure you pile up a can of ammo. One nice thing about smaller cartridges, hey, they fill up a 30 caliber ammo can. You're doing pretty good. That's a lot of 25 ACP. That's a lot of 32 ACP. You see how that works? By the way, thank you to one of our friends in the chatroom there. Let's see, that's Kentucky. www.targetsportsusa.com. Target Sports USA.com. www.targetsportsusa.com. Take the time and you go to their page, they have some Fiace or Fuel-G. Depending on how you look at it, it's like you do and you'll clean it up. Yeah, there's some Fiace over there, sir. Yeah, I know, it's over in the corner. Leave it alone and we'll pick it up later. Well, in this case, there's nothing wrong with Fiace ammunition at all. 32 ACP, 73 grain, full metal jacket ammunition, and they do have it in stock. And if you're looking for some ammunition for that 32 ACP, It is readily available, $19.99 for 50 rounds or $399.80 for a whole big crate of 1,000 rounds. A box of Fiacci shooting dynamics ammo. And if you want to go and find that, go to, oh, let's see, oh, they got some other 32 ACP there by the way. They do have some Gecko ammo, RWS Gecko ammo, 32 ACP. Oh, that's sold out. Sorry about that, guys. Thought I was going to give you a better solution there. Well, it wasn't better, it'd be the same solution. They also have some CCI Blazer 32 Auto. 71 grain instead of the 73 grain that's in stock and let's see what their price is on that right now. $22 well you know what, Fiace is a better price by a dollar or two guys so I'd go to Fiace and again I'd be just as happy to shoot that as anything else that's out there definitely reliable boxer primed reloadable ammunition you don't leave any of this brass laying around okay. Take it all off. Take it all home. Go ahead, Gullard. What do you got? This is Meat Eater. I just want to make a brief comment. You know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. People can disagree with me. You know, I really, you know, I see this trend towards these pocket pistols. I've got kind of larger hands and I can't shoot those things there. I can shoot them, but they're, you know, they jump out of my hand and or they bite you. They'll bite you in the... Yeah, I mean, you know, they bite me and they gotta be so careful with them. I really recommend, you know, trying to tell people because they're like, oh, I want to use small 380s I can carry around. You know, I'd rather that you buy, you know, a high point 9 millimeter, you're looking for something, you know, inexpensive, you know, you know, you'll fit in your hand and, you know, most people can shoot them. The other day, you know, someone offered me a 25 caliber And then one of these small pocket pistols for $75, and of course I picked it up, I'll give it to somebody that can shoot it. But I just wanted to point that out as a trend. I think that when you're new people with guns, they may say, oh, I want something small. But when they actually go to shoot it, It may jump out of their hands, which is, I like Locke and I like the 1911s. Maybe there's not in their budget at the time, and heck, it takes a while to save up for those. But a full-size, even though they got some great full-size or mid-size, the Turkish $300 ones I see on Center Fire and stuff like that, put people with rather than spray and maybe hope that they hit something. I just thought I'd put it out there. Well, a couple of things about the small pocket handguns. You're right about that number one size. They were designed as basically hideaway desperation guns initially, or vest guns. I got that little vest pocket pistol there, like a little Colt 25 automatic. Even there at little Colt, 25 automatic probably won't bite you. And when I say bite bite, and there are certain weapons that I don't care who you are, unless you have a small, small hand, they are going to let you know how the slide works. And with a 25, typically if you'll notice the way that they can't The pistol grip itself doesn't have a tapered back angle but rather a downward angle like on the Tokarev pistols. You'll see that was the norm back when the Tokarev was designed. That was kind of the norm in the handgun industry for smaller frame automatics. The reason was to try and place the hand on a slightly downward pitch, which means the shooter has to understand how the weapon is going to be situated when he holds it. But the purpose of doing that was so that it didn't bring the back of the hand where the meat is between the thumb and the index finger guys. You're a little chubby there because those muscles are naturally built up. Well, if you've got that stuck up there underneath that slide, when you pull the trigger you get that first that bark and that startled effect because of that for some people. And then you feel that pain in your hand. And you look down, there might even be a little blood right away, but hopefully it waits for a second to bleed. And that's because there's a little scraping effect that takes place there. Some guns, unless you are a tiny hand, they will do that every time. And one that's notorious for me, the Mauser HSC. Beautiful pistol, super streamlined, one of the best pocket and guns ever made. There's no catching edge on the gun. And it's a butter action, it's a beautiful action. But for my size hand, when I try to use it, it always wants to let me know that it's a Mauser HSC. And it will bite me every time. Okay, love the pistol. In fact, to be quite honest, somebody did something smart. Oh, that's right, Steyr. Steyr made a big blown up version of the Mauser HSC and that gun is absolutely comfortable to shoot. It has all the features of the standard HSC, but it was built up to 9 millimeter. and it worked accordingly. So most of the pocket guns where they really fit for the ladies, that's where the girls like the 32s, they like the 380 autos, their hands are typically smaller, tinier fingers, the whole nine yards. It's why the women also like little 25 automatics. and the M1 carbine and a car 15. Wait a minute, there's a lot of other guns too out there. But they are suitable for smaller people and for, again, for hiding purposes, that's why they were designed to be flat and small. The PA-63, the Macra of the PPK, the PP, the Stirling's, all those guns are in that middle hideaway type, lightweight, light duty frame and they're flat. They're minimal snag points and they just were designed as a backup to, oh my god, I gotta get myself out of something situation. They were not necessarily considered to be the gun that's in your hand and stays there constantly. A lot of times in the Eastern Bloc they issued those small frames and they were hidden all over the uniforms, guys. I can't stress enough that there's hide pockets. If you actually have real Western, forgive me, Eastern European Battle dress from the 50s, 60s, and 70s. You will find hideaway pockets that were stitched into every uniform. And even though people knew that they were there, do you know how many times people missed searching troops when they had those pistols in the pockets where they belonged? including macarons, PA-63s, etc. So there is a balance here on this one. The big thing is a lot of people are going to, the reason I brought this up, no, mediators, a lot of guys are going to be, these guns are things that they inherited from grandpa or from dad. because they were the norm back in the day forty fifty years ago sixty years ago which might be great grandpa for some people but uh... they were the more common not dresser gun or pocket gun that was picked up and uh... they're the they're the niche it's what you're gonna have to be prepared to provide support for there is a whole parts inventory out there for these guns so they are not saying that you know from away or anything like that i just When you're bringing new shooters up and they want to go out and buy the lightest car pistol, which I think is a great pistol, it's a super compact pistol, especially if they're spending $500, $600 to say, well, maybe let's go shooting. you know, get you into something, you know, a little more user friendly and that, you know, they can, you know, if their life depended on it, you know, they can use it. Well, a lot of these new plastic frame midsize are actually a little above midsize, 9 millimeters especially, very comfortable to shoot. ergonomically secure. The only thing that most common thing I see people doing is, and they're being reinforced in the movies, to take their support hand and put their thumb over top of the hand that's supporting the weapon. Guys, you never do that with an automatic pistol, ever. And because you don't want to do it with a semi-automatic pistol, you sure as hell shouldn't be training anybody to do it, even if they have a revolver. Teach everybody proper, consistent pistol handling. and you're not going to have any oopsies where someone's going to get a scar just behind their left thumb or get another scar up underneath that like I said between that index finger and that thumb into the meat of that hand. One way or another you're going to get bit if you're not properly handling the weapon even if you again you're even if you Do understand it. I mean if you make that mistake it's going to it's going to signature you very quickly You're going to be signed with a groove and a scar not a big scar, but it will be a reminder reminder And I remember why I did that I won't do that mark Go ahead color. Hey, this is Matt down in Texas You know like you're just saying I am here 25 automatic from my granddad you know RG industries Yeah, I've never heard of it But I've never fired it. At the Gander Mountain down here you could find almost every caliber of ammo, but I haven't been able to find 25. Of course I haven't beat the bushes, but it's out there, isn't it? Oh yes, 25. I'll tell you, JG sales is usually pretty good for having some on the shelf. To be quite honest, the RG's are not bad guns, number one. They're German. I don't think they did any subcontract anywhere. Typically they're all built in Germany. At the time they also brought in a bunch of fabricated revolvers. Most of them are small. They'll be in a 22 long rifle or a 32 Smith & Wesson. They were very popular. In fact, they look a little boxy, the revolvers do, and some people think they're like starter pistols. Well, to a degree, they were built like some starter pistols were, but they were just a different idea of how to build revolvers. The semi-automatic pistols are their own designs. They fit into the baby browning category in terms of their niche and engineering as far as their internal workings. I think they're still in business. I don't think they've gone out of business. We just don't see much brought into the U.S. by them. But the 25 ACP... Blazer works just fine. There's nothing wrong with Blazer ammo, and that's the most common inexpensive 25 that you're going to find out there. But as I just pointed out, like with the 32, Fiachi makes 25, Aquila, that's why I was saying JG sales. There's still 25 and 32 ACP that comes out of Mexico. And it's made by the Federal Rally Arsenals there, which is Remington of Mexico. That's who that is. I fired that 25 automatic, they're auto ammunition forever and it runs fine. Seller S&B, I don't know if they're still bringing it in, but they do make 25 auto also. And again, brass case, boxer primed, factory ammo just like the US stuff. So it's purely a matter of pocket. Right now there's nothing in a 25 automatic that would be a problem to shoot, but I would stick with ball ammo. Most older weapons did not typically experience or utilize a hollow point of any kind, and the feed ramps vary to the point where no ball ammunition is going to work with them, but with a hollow point or special defense loads, you have to experiment. I wouldn't buy a whole lot of ammo until I knew for sure that it worked in the gun. And even there, I still, I'd rather put an ice pick hole through somebody and know that I got them than to have some kind of malfunction in a situation, especially where you might hand the gun out to somebody else. I know that's terrible, but it's just, you know, because everybody goes, oh Mark, it doesn't happen that often. Yeah, but you know, you got a person standing next to you and you're expecting them to provide some support. You don't want them to have to worry about anything other than point and click. until they have to drop the mag and reload. Hey thanks Mark. Yeah I would grab some .25. Those little RGs were nice little guns. Did you get it with a box? I have the box. I have the box. Almost always. I mean it has its use besides just shooting armadillos right? Oh yeah I would shoot those poor armadillos with that .25. You might piss them off. No. Thanks a lot there. Very good. And again guys, don't get rid of the 25s. A face full of 25 automatic ruins your whole day. So just think about it that way. Go ahead, caller. Hey, this is JC from PA. One of the other things, we've been talking about 32 autos. I have a Caltech 32 auto. The main reason I bought it, I mean I already had a 380, but the addition around because I have the subcaliber adapters for 308 and 30-06 for small game. Yeah, that's another yeah, a lot of the stuff is still laying around and don't forget remember just keep picking the brass up because you can reload it Right. Well, I do so right the they make They make adapters for the a lot of guys don't realize 32 auto. They can you can shoot it in adapters for the 762 39 762 I believe they make one for the British through a full barrel. The two is a really good small game around. Yep Well, the .32 has enough energy, and like I said, it's an ice pick. It'll go through people just fine. Typically, the bullet, if it's in the smaller part of the body, will actually, with enough energy, will pass on through. It sounds strange. You think it's not a dirty, hairy gun, Mark. No, but it has a lot of focused energy in a small surface area. The other thing is, like you said, for small game, one of the tricks, and I've mentioned this bullet several times, The Plinkster Bullet, available through Spear and Hornady. They both make a version. I believe now they make an 80 grain and an 85 and a 90 grain semi-jacketed bullet. It's cheaper than buying full metal jacket and it's cheaper than buying their hollow point. The cool thing is it's a lead semi-jacketed round and you can load the 32 ACP with that. Which makes it affordable to reload, but also gives it it does give a little flattening power if it hits something solid If you're worried if you it's going to treat the the Bullet like a ball round when it comes to loading but Once it gets down through the tube if it hits something else that leads going to splatter open a little bit so it'll expand probably to about 35 you know 37 caliber and That's a little more energy delivery on target if it's soft tissue So that makes people... Well, you've got the cast, cast for the 32. I have personally done it, but I know someone that has cast and he casts them soft and they flatten out pretty good with any soft tissue hit. Oh yeah, you can still, in fact, good point on that, thank you. For 25 automatic and for the 32s and 380s, cast bullets work just fine. And 32, that's the most common. Most of the reloaders in the last 20 years, although they buy jacketed for a lot of what they do for a light pistol, they're going to cast bullets. And you'll mostly see that where they're saving monies on the 32 ACP. So, that is true. A lot of you have taken bringing it up. You will see a lot of cast lead or factory lead. I haven't seen factory lead in quite some time. Most everything there will be copper jacket. But it's possible you'll run into older ammunition and it will be, for instance, Olin Winchester, slash Winchester, 32 ACP. You'll run into lead copper wash, which is, you know, lubricate. It's a lubra plate projectile, copper washed, but it's lead body. Those were very common from the 60s, actually from the late 50s through to the middle 70s. In fact, it was still available in the books in 1979. I know that for sure. Go ahead. You remember we talked before about how Remington makes the Spartan, the 12 gauge era, the 308. I have a 32 adapter, 3 carbine adapter both for the 308 barrel and then I have a 20 and a 410 adapter for the 12 gauge. Which gives me, I'd say about as versatile as you're going to get with a hunting weapon. But like I said, the 32 is very quiet and it's a really good small game gun. And in fact it's reloadable. I mean, nothing rim fire is. That's the reason why I chose that 25 Beretta over the 22 Beretta. Exactly. Go ahead, jump in there, please. Well, I would question, did we have Larry at the front of the hour? Not that I know of. He wasn't here. Okay, I'm greatly disappointed there. Oh, that's okay. He may not have been able to get in. I don't know. Hey, Mark. Go ahead, jump in there, caller. Yeah, I'm one of the new shooters. This is Mark. When is casting a bad idea? Well, the only place where casting is going to be issued is... If you've got to shoot it through a gas-operated gun, it's a bad idea. Yeah. The gas port itself will shave a material away, and then you'll have to... It doesn't mean you can't do it. AKs are actually quite sympathetic to cleaning the gas port. Because of the way the AK and the SKS is built, they actually have a tool in the kit for cleaning the gas port. Most people don't do it, though they should. You disassemble the upper, but anything else pretty much a Casper will work with. The revolvers, obviously. 1911s? Yeah, 1911. All day long. Yeah, the big thing is just that when you're using a gas system, it has a gas deflection port somewhere down the tube. And what happens is that will let up. You're going to have to clean it or you've got to be prepared to, when you break down the weapon for general maintenance, you have to be prepared to clear the gas port. And some weapons are tougher to do than others, which is why, again, it's one of those things that it's just, the better choice is to either go with a, well, there's a couple things that you can do. Number one, I mentioned that a moment ago, you can copper plate bullets, lead bullets. It's copper washing, it's still a better choice in general simply because it reduces letting in the barrel in general, which is a good idea, especially if you're going to be shooting a lot of ammo. Also, again, mentions semi-jacketed rounds like the Plinkster. That was made for the carbine originally because the carbine is a gas system, but people wanted to use a kind of lead bullet. Well, Spear came up with it first. They came up with this half jacket. It is copper-based. Basically, what it's like is a gas check on steroids. When you cast lead bullets for rifle, Now, one of the things you can do to alleviate some of the leading issues, number one I would still copper wash it, but the gas check is designed to create a more uniform seal, create a fit and slap, slash an O-ring that goes down the tube to create uniform pressure. And it scrapes the barrel clean in the process if there is lead. It's really cool if you use that. fixture of that type. People used to make them out of plumbing parts, plumbing caps if it's a bigger caliber. Gas checks are readily available and can be purchased from every one of the cartridge companies. Whoever makes bullets makes gas checks. You can point them out of aluminum cans as well. Yeah, we can improvise and make them from a dozen things that we have to do so we don't have to wait for the companies to make them. And a lot of reloaders build their own anyway. The big thing is that with lead because of the variances in the softness, a lot of people use pure lead because it's what they've got. Some people don't alloy it out to the tin and antimony combination with lead. All the tin and antimony does is stabilize the lead so that it isn't as soft. It's still malleable, but it won't become a crayon inside the tube, leaving a much heavier residue of lead as it passes down the barrel. Go ahead, Tom. Hey, Mark. Really quick, make sure mainJunker on YouTube does a lot of the Cast Bullet stuff, and he actually does it where he's reloading stuff for the AK and firing it semi-automatically with Cast Bullets. So if you go to mainJunker on YouTube, he does a number, 307-6254, the AK, a number of them that are very good instructional videos to watch. Very good. Go ahead and give that out a couple times for everybody listening. YouTube, you go to J-U-N-K-E-R. main junker on YouTube and he has a ton of very big on cast bullets. Very good and again for everybody out there one nice thing about YouTube is all the stuff's been done guys you don't have to reinvent the wheel somebody else already has already figured out how to do it you just got to make the wheel fit your you know your transportation device works out just fine. Go ahead, go ahead Don please. Well we are just about at the top you guys I have to exit stage left in a couple minutes but I'd hope to address the bolt and plastic lower issue and well we won't be able to do it. Hey, maybe we can have Larry up another time. I'll have to call him up and apologize. Not a problem. And again, we've had a lot of response today anyway, so I'm sure. We get on a subject with small automatics, which is a debate back and forth and has been for years. And don't get into small revolvers because that's another one, guys. There's a lot of little revolvers out there and they're not outdated. you just have to understand their limitations and the first thing that everybody laments about his energy well if you just load them to standard factory spec You can upgrade with different bullets of course if you want because revolvers of course are a lot easier to deal with when it comes to specialized bullets. It simply has to jump from the cylinder to the barrel and get down range. There's no feeding issue because it's hand loaded. The big thing is that there's a wide variety of both antiques, curios, and they're not relics. But that's what they're covered under. They're covered under typically. 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Colt. Those are both short cartridges, guys. 32 Smith and Wesson long, 32 Colt long. You're going to run into these. Ammunition is still actually available. And then there's modern revolvers, the 32 Magnum that's out there. And it's been out there in a number of different frames. And I wouldn't want to get shot by that. Bottom line, it's no different than a Tokarev pistol or a Nagat revolver. In fact, there's a formula right now, guys, if you need Nagat ammo, if you can find 32 Magnum brass, that can be completely built over to make Nagat revolver ammunition for your revolvers. Who'd have thunk it? Gee. So there are solutions out there to the problems. We are at the top, by the way, down before we go any farther, your number for night vision, please. Vet number is 231-796-8458. Again, 231-796-8458. Thank you, Mark. And for everybody out there listening guys, we will touch on that actually, the revolvers next. One of the first things I did when I figured out that hey, just having an M16 on standby, in other words, primary weapon is nice, but you better have a revolver of some kind. The first thing I did is I found a little .22 short barrel revolver that was a nine shot. Just to pick something up and have it, and I made sure I set up an M14 mag pouch. that was set up so that the pistol was nested and all you did was hit the flap, reach in, it was right there and a number of rounds, actually I always carried about 150 rounds of 22. The idea behind that, the logic was that I could contribute if something happened, at least not go, oh man, jam jam jam forward assist, jam jam jam forward assist, oh it is jammed, oh, and I just jammed it in worse. Well now I can use harsh language or throw my rifle. But you might have a life saver.