February 5, 2014
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Butcher discussed weapons, preparedness, and firearm safety on February 5, 2014. The show featured detailed technical discussions about FN FAL barrels available from Sarco Inc., Mosin-Nagant rifle stocks from Centerfire Systems, and various tactical accessories including quick-release mounts and night vision equipment. The hosts addressed magazine safety and function, the historical design of the 1911 pistol for cavalry use, and dragoon tactics. They also critiqued a 2020 television segment about children and firearms, emphasizing the importance of early firearm education and responsibility over fear-based approaches.
- fn fal
- mosin-nagant
- sarco inc
- centerfire systems
- 1911 pistol
- magazine safety
- night vision
- dragoon tactics
- cavalry weapons
- firearm education
- preparedness
- tactical accessories
- weapons wednesday
- michigan militia
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That's main, like the state, military.com. I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, We've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children will be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God, keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God given right we only watch and tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? And good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, this is the first hour of the afternoon intelligence report. I'm Mark Kornke. And I'm Don Butcher. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territory, central, west, east, and north. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on... LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com. We are on IndianaForDoomTalkRadio.com. We are on AM and FM Microstations, CB Base Stations, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. When the Hallmark Network top of Maine, bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd, 5th, Pitt and our friends in the recall state of Colorado. Great job, make a bigger list, put more of our enemies on it and continue to work hard to catch them off guard, so to speak, catch them when they feel comfortable, the way they try to do to everybody else. Yeah, tit for tat. Anyway, waving to the left coast, we turn back to the east, sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge, where the restaurant crew's grandma teams, OK teams, and the mob, Bill Grammar Consortium, bring us the gold to this bike. Well, then, it went from gray and that real fine, silky snow, a little bit of a breeze, headed towards Lake Erie, so I figure the snow we got either went up into the, at least the part we got, which was headed across the bottom and headed from west to east, headed towards either the Ontario Peninsula or smacked into Lake Erie and ran right over to Cleveland. So we'll find out later about that. The tornado effect we've always talked about, guys, through this season is in motion. and you know, slash the hurricane effect, it rolls over the state of Michigan. We're the epicenter of this. We're in the middle of five of the biggest fresh bodies of water on the planet. Period. We got 76% of the potable water above ground sitting right here. We're the gemstone. You know what I mean? We're the winter wonderland and the summer water wonderland too. So anyway, it's clear here. It's probably going to drop down right now. Temperatures, eh, comfortable winter. What's it like in your neck of the woods, sir? And what's jumping off the wall up there in that part of Michigan? Well, on this fifth day of February, year of our Lord, 2014, we started out gray. We started out way cold, really cold, deep in the single digits and jumping up from there to middle 20s and sunshine and wow, there's black and white shadows out there on the snow now. The contrast is really high. You know, good for seeing things. Again, the fifth day of February 2014, and that does draw up a particular circumstance. So with that in mind, what we're going to do is put a magazine in the magazine well and touch that slide release. And we're just going to tell you, it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and you know there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force. Well, it is weapons Wednesday and there are a few things, you know, cool things floating around. There's always something that people are, you know, digging around now in the arms industry to find odd caches of stuff and you need to pay attention guys to what's out there in the inventory because, or what's popping up on the main pages. Because it's not necessarily the latest and greatest but it may be something that's useful to your unit, your preparedness group, whatever. One of the reasons I say that is because e-sarcoinc.com dug out of the inventory, apparently they got them to say it's a gun show purchase, maybe, but they bought a quantity of FN FAL barrels. These are chrome lined. That means this is the early model barrel guys. This is the barrel was good for 100,000 rounds. That's not a bad choice. Oh yeah, last year forever barrel. Yeah, these particular barrels they over the grocery over engineer and eared them underestimated their lifespan and serviceability. They were the first generation of FNFAL barrels to come into service and then They realized what they had done so they garbage down the barrel process. It was not an accident. Hirst-Welch, fabric national arms to gear, realized they weren't selling replacement barrels. The longer these things were in service, especially with the third world countries that they had sold them to, the more they realized they also weren't breaking. In other words, they had that AK mystique to them, but before there was an AK that anybody could buy in quantity like now, the FN-FAL was that weapon that had the same mystique in third world countries where it's like you can't break it, you can't mess it up. As long as you keep that hole that goes down the middle of the pipe clear, it seems to put a bullet down range. And you can even adjust for that. Yeah, so interestingly enough, a lot of these weapons that they figured would have that two-year service cycle in a war zone? Well, they kept coming back to haunt them over and over and over again. And you will notice in many of the pictures from the 80s and from the 90s and even this decade right now, There's a whole lot of FN FALs that are in all those battlefield pictures that are not as closely cropped where they show them an AK or show them an M16. Well, there's a lot of other weapons out there, especially in Africa. Whole lot of FN FALs, guys. Especially in the old protectorates. So, these barrels are that barrel. If you are looking to build an FN FAL, some of you may have bought some of these new kits. Now they came two ways. The latest in-built kits actually came with a barrel. I don't know how good the barrel was. I don't know what condition it is in. You guys bought them. But there are also a number of kits that came in. They came and went pretty quick that were with the chopped and lump barrel. They were the earlier FN FALs. These barrels that are being offered by Sarco might be that solution you've been patiently waiting for and actually a step up. Now these are not built for a bipod, which is rather interesting in itself that they would mention that, which makes me wonder if I were to spec them, they're probably squad gun barrels. Now on the FNFAL, the squad gun barrel is about a third again is thick at key points, or up and down the barrel length of the barrel. And it's heavy. I've carried F and F AL squad guns many, many times. One of our friends has a quantity of them. And they're the, usually in the American buttstock and foregrip configuration that was originally going to be adopted by the US. Those things all went to the Israelis, of course, for free. And that's why they adopted the F and F AL guys. They got all the junk from us for free. Okay? As is always the case, the parasite sucking off our wallet. Anyway, what's interesting is that these may also be the heavier barrel, which without any of the other milling points, means it's an uninterrupted barrel, so it's a virgin, and it's a, well, attack driver. Oh, let's make a point here. Squad gun's gonna be more like a spray and pray gun mark. The chrome barrel reinforcing that? In the order of accuracy, I tried to skip a couple of times in order to reinforce this because that chrome barrel is like chicken and gravy. It is everything. But the uniformity of the chrome that goes into the barrel, God didn't chrome that barrel. That barrel was chromed for a reason. They want it to last an awful long time. Chrome is really, really hard. Go out and get a nickel and go out and try to, oh before you send one of those cars to the junkyard, get a nickel in your hand or a penny and try to scratch that chrome. You'll leave metal marks in the chrome before you'll scratch it. Now, in the order, I asked to skip this a number of times because this needs to be in the order of accuracy of manufactured material of barrels. You guys a steel barrel, you know steel and and you know iron and carbon to steel Cut good and straight is gonna be really accurate, but it's not gonna last a long time You're gonna have to completely oil it and this and that the big improvement up from there is like chrome molly Now that's a that's gonna beat up a button more, but it's you know when when the rifling is cut but if it's cut true it will be more accurate then a combed barrel for the combed barrel's inconsistency in the thickness of the comb down the barrel. But a combed barrel, don't get me wrong you guys, a combed barrel is chicken and gravy and smashed potatoes too. It's almost not going to wear out. 100,000 rounds is an underestimate. That's like saying, Mark, that V6 little Buick, that 3.8, you'll get 100,000 miles out of it. But, when you know if you treat it right, you're going to get two or two and a half. In the order of accuracy, a barrel, a chrome chamber isn't bad. All you're talking about is the uniformity of the chamber then. When you build the brass to that chamber, you're not doing bad save for any other interruption like any other machine piece when the brass isn't indexed to 12 o'clock. That's as far away as you're going to get from being bad. But when you comb the length of the barrel, it's never the same consistency. That means the barrel, even to the best of the manufacturer, is not going to be at one point of the barrel. You're going to have a wider point. You're going to have a narrower point. You're going to have a wider point because of you're coating it with a, I know you're working with molecules, but you're coating those molecules. You're using that in a fluid. I'm not beating up that barrel at all because you'd be hard pressed to beat up that barrel. Again, this is a counter addiction. We could talk about bolt guns or semi-autos all day. When it comes to the final down, a bolt gun is generally going to place a smaller group than a semi-auto gun. If you're looking in that direction and looking to put in a good number of rounds into a small area at 1,000 yards. There's nothing wrong with that barrel at all because you'll be able to do that all day, all day next week, all day next year. Mark, I'll be quiet. Again, one of the most important things here, these things are going to be around for quite some time once they're assembled. If you bought one of these kits, it's kind of like I mentioned earlier, Center for our System is offering the plastic stocks for the NAGOT rifle, they're right on the front page. Hey, maybe you forgot about the fact you had that pile of stuff laying over there. There's been so many other things pulling in every direction. Well, we'll keep an eye out for the unique like this. We know there's plenty of kits. There's all kinds of kits that have been coming out and not necessarily cheap kits, of course. In fact, they've been kind of pricey. But barrels have been an issue. So, everybody check it out. Go to ecircoinc.com. Make sure you get that right. E dash. www.carcoenc.com For a military chrome barrel like this for about $130, $140, it's a factory military barrel. You're all squared away, kids. There are also some other things they've got there, too. We're going to touch on that in a minute. If you bought two of those, you wouldn't have to do anything else in that position of the gun for the rest of your life. If you'll probably start thinking, man, I got a barrel, that's like a seed kit for the next kit. That's a seed kit for the next gun I want to build. Did you say these aren't machined? Well, they are machined, but they're finished. But you see, normally, this weight of barrel, by what it looks like, by what they're indicating, is normally has a, what is a pivot groove machined into the barrel, and it carries the heavy bipod that we typically saw on the M15, which I'll qualify and remind everybody, there was not an AR15. The M15, which back in the 50s and into the 60s and even early 70s, when the M14 was out there in force in the arsenals, the M15 was the replacement for the BAR. It was a heavier barrel M14. Well, they used a BIPOD that was a BAR type BIPOD or M60 type BIPOD for those of you who have used one or the other. on the M14. They did the same with the FN FAL. The squad gun FN FAL has a heavier basket, tapered flash hider in the front, and typically had a machine station so that the bi-pod could comfortably ride and was secured in place once it was bolted into the location with its clamp. These aren't niched. In fact, they're not notched in any way, shape or form. If you have the kits, all the stuff that you need to go on it is there. Everything you need to make it go together is there. But it's just one of those things that they mentioned that tells me it's probably a squad weight barrel. But they did build a lot of these, kind of like remember the BAR itself. In the original form, the BAR wasn't equipped with a bipod. It was actually considered to be a real assault rifle, guys. In fact, if you have the World War I A-model and B-model BAR belts, the first station on the right side of the belt is a cup. The reason they built it that way is because you were supposed to rest the buttstock right into the belt of your rig, and you were to carry the weapon and hose down a target area with it, guys. That's how they were built. Later on they decided, well, the guys could actually handle it themselves. They complained because by putting the cup in place that they did, they negated two more mags that would have been in a magazine pouch there. The guys basically said, hey, we'll handle a rifle. Just make sure we got more pouches to put more mags. Mags are more important. However, if you look in a lot of the black and white images from World War I and post-World War I, That cup type of salt BAR rig shows up in a lot of pictures in Guatemala, in the Philippines, over in Asia, in China. And it was a common configuration and typically issued out with a weapon that was lightened. It didn't make the barrel lighter, they just didn't include the bipod and they configured the rifle accordingly. It was built that way. So there are progressive developments with the BAR that are quite similar. This weapon It may have been built intentionally with no mission bipod attached. It's the way some things work. There are a lot of variations on the F&FAL. There are a lot of variations on the squad automatic weapon that was part of the FAL family. Any country that had an F&FAL had this. Some of them, like in South America or even in the Middle East, may have decided they didn't want the bipod attached. And that happens. Now they also then may have changed their, who knows? I mean, you know, there's so many variations. Wow, we got them. We think we want the bipod after all. This is kind of a heavy rifle. It may be good to be able to stabilize it for squad use. So this is a good choice, definitely worthwhile. You can call Sarco and talk to them. Go to e-sarcoinc.com, all the information is on the front page. Check them out, give them a call. And if you've got that FAL kit needs to be finished up, there you go. Now another thing that they do have there, for those of you who may have a lot of M60 parts, you might want to look. They've got 60 side rails and they've got about, I think they're 80% completer. 90% but all the critical part complete M60 Trunnions. If you're collecting M60 parts, these things haven't been available for a while, they're fairly cheap, the ones that they're offering. Take a look and see if that's useful for your purposes and you decide. But might want to check it out just until you again see what's going on. e-sharkoinc.com, centerfiresystems.com, if you go to www.centerfiresystems.com, Again, www.centerfiresystems.com, guys, when you go to their page, unless they've changed already this afternoon, no they didn't. They still have the Promag Archangel stocks for the Moissan Nagat Model 1891 and variants. Now this stock will handle any Nagat rifle that's been built. I can't think of anyone that that stock won't accommodate. And in fact, they've already explained, they've already experimented themselves, they wanted to see it. We've got to make sure this thing will fit. all of the Polish, Romanian, East German, etc., etc., the Russian models, all the variants. Everything drops in. If you'll notice there's a little kit there. It has little spacers. And in the video that they offer on YouTube, they explain what that's all for. So everything you need to make this work with whatever nagot you've got is OK. Now my first choice would be to do this. A lot of you out there bought the Polish Nagats. I remember a couple years ago, Centerfire had them. They were the barreled actions with bolt for like $40 to $60 a piece. They started out at $40, then they jumped to $50, then they went to $60. Remember that? Okay. Now jog in your memory because some of you listening go, oh you're right Mark, I brought two of those and put them over there in the corner of the man cave. Oh! Yeah, you've got two more spears over there and you're looking for a way to put them online and you wanted something a little nicer than just the regular stock. Well, a lot of those also had the trigger but did not have the magazine well and the rest of the fixtures. Well, that's why they were $40. Well, guess what? This system, the way it's set up, guys, has a detachable magazine. You won't be using the original magazine follower or the magazine well. So for those of you that bought those $40 Nagots and those $60 Nagot actions, here's a solution for a really nice stock. It has buttstock adjustment for length. It has cheek weld elevation, okay, for again, resting the face, especially critical because most of the Nagots, you're not probably going to tap the action, although it wouldn't be a big deal. There's a lot of meat on those weapons. The B-squared scope mounts and the copies. There are new companies making all the B-squared mounts. I haven't seen a write-up on any of the stuff yet. But apparently they've got all of the specs, they've got all the jigs, and they're building all of the B-squared mounts for the Nagats, the Mausers, and all the other weapons out there that are old military weapons, the ones at least they have samples of. So, this is a solution. It's $150 for the stocks. They have an OD green, black, and tan. I'd get it. Depending on your area, black might be more suitable, but OD green would be your first best choice for the base color. Then I'd go black, and then I'd go tan if they ran out of these things. The tan would not be a big deal to bruise up with some green and dark brown because the base color being tan. And she'd blend right in real quick, kids. You have looking like out with the corn stalks and the weather we have right now, the Savannah Tan actually works out there. But you do want to break it up with a little bit of, you know, to make the silhouette a little different still. These will handle of course the carbines or the long barrel nagats. Most of those Polish rifles down that everybody bought were the long barrel standard model. I leave them just that way. Don't let anybody convince you to cut that barrel down. Now another thing they've got, and Don, you've already almost at the bottom of the hour here, they've got UTG angle mounts with integral quick detachment lever lock system. The advantage is that quick lock, which means that you can attach and detach very, very quickly. Now they've got every size here you can imagine, so if you've got a flashlight, a laser, a dustbin, you know, a burning laser, something you'll cut through a quarter inch of steel and half a mile away and you just want to add it onto your rifle because you love, you know, Space Age with antique. What can I say? Okay? Ah, I'm roasting beef at half a mile. Just thought out a steak. Done. Anyway, they do have other size rails and yes these have both the standard top rail but they also have a side rail fixture basically about the 45 degree for center of pitch. Really cool. They have them up to the 13 slot double rail and I believe for what Don has in way of night vision that would probably be your choice but these are quick release guys. They lock in, they disconnect and lock off just as quick. Click click, click click. Actually just put pressure on, you're done. So they're cheap, anywhere from $15 to $30 a unit. You couldn't machine it or have it done for that price. It's the bottom line. And to understand what I'm talking about, you don't have to trust Mark and the microphone. You can go to CenterFireSystems.com, CenterFireSystems.com, CenterFireSystems.com, and they have everything you could want right there. Now the cool thing is you could mount that night vision on the top and that side rail is where you put the little laser. Which is one of the solutions, you know keeping it high up on the weapon depending on what you're using AK AR 15 whatever They also do offer a number of different scopes that are a little more sophisticated for 150 to or forgive me 160 to 190 dollars long eye relief illumination enhancing scope with etched glass rectacle. They also have a 2 to 7 power, they also have a 3 to 12 power. To be quite honest, if you want to spend that kind of money on glass, and I don't have a problem with that at all, I can understand. But me, if I was putting some together fast and I still want something that's intermediate to short range in terms of scopes, if I go down just a little farther, they've got a middle dot mini compact scope for They're $25. That's that scope has taken a lot of rounds. Yeah, in fact, it took many many rounds in the initial you know familiarization and training for a lot of people Never lost center and it's cheap back in the day. They only ran six dollars apiece now with American devaluation It's $25 for the same Jeep scope I hate to say it but it's a fact. There are other solutions but take a look at this because it explains what we've talked about on the air. Again, these are the ProMag Archangel stocks for the moison they got. You've got those Polish actions or if you've got one of evil Santa's barreled actions for $10 down there at Knob Creek like a lot of people did. Well, that barreled action with the bolt will slide right into the stock. That means you can put together even cheaper. The barrels were nice internally on those. They just were beat to not as far as the finish on the outside, mostly bare metal. But the crowns were good on the barrels. The bolts operated just fine. And the barrels themselves were actually quite sharp, were quite clean. So, probably the reason the finish was gone on the outside down is because they'd scrub it on the inside just as hard as they'd scrub it on the outside. You know you keep doing it year after year, but no pink stocks, huh? No pink stocks. No, we don't have a link with a lot more about that Yeah, I got him in the hour. I don't think we'd worry about a hello Kitty nay got I just like the idea the hello Kitty a K because it's hell. Oh Kitty. Oh Yeah, hell. Oh look Kitty. Oh, I mean play on words. Yeah, hell. Oh Kitty So anyway, they are a pretty cool system. Some people like them, others think that somehow they put it in the stock and it's all of a sudden going to change the performance of the weapon. Well, first of all guys, you need to practice with the weapon itself and understand the rifle marksmanship. Get that shoulder, you know, that stock sucked into the shoulder, adjust that cheek weld accordingly and you can do that because you can dial it up. And then figure out where the print is on that and then adjust your scopes accordingly or adjust your iron sights accordingly. Another thing that point to bring to bear here. A lot of people don't like carrying around a heavy rifle. They take the wood and throw it over there in the fire. They wish that it kept a little more weight because while that rifle that used to kick a little bit, it kicks a little more now. Yup, exactly. That's where sometimes you start adding resin or material if need be. That could be done too because it looks like there's some air space here and there on the stock. The big thing is that it is a detachable magazine also. I need to point that out and emphasize that again. It is a detachable mag. And I'm going to look to see if they offer spare mags themselves. Let's see if they do. Oh, yep, they do. They've got the five rounders, which I think is what comes with the weapon. And they have the 10 rounders. And in fact, the five rounders, $17.99 and the 10 round mag, it's uh... twenty three dollars so sub twenty two nine so i think i'd go with the ten for the five-rounder for the time being just uh... you know again see how it works if you need more mags they definitely have them otherwise you can't top but i'm sure from the roof it's just you're not using the stripper clips if you put a scope in place Okay, just remember that. Especially use a B-squared mount because typically the B-squared mounts take advantage on the infield, the nagot, and the Mauser. And I'm pretty sure on the Mauser rifle too, what they do is they actually, I know they do on the Mauser because I put enough of them in play, they actually rest, they have a grooved, a beveled grooved knock that goes into, it's actually the machine base of the mount, goes right into the stripper guide. That's the whole idea behind B-square mounts. They're non-tapping scope mounts. They take advantage of the existing contact surfaces available on the rifle. And the purpose behind this is that with one or two threaded pieces of material to lock into the front sight or whatever using existing channels there, you secure the whole fixture. It works just fine. And congratulations, you've not mulled the weapon in any way, so you can only switch it back to what originally it was. A lot of people want to play with their weapons and see what they can do to develop them, but they also know that these guns are becoming more and more of an antique. When the war is done, somebody might just want to put them back on the wall as they originally were. I think they'll have value all by themselves though, guys. A weapon that goes through the next war is going to have specific historical and sentimental value in and of itself. I don't care what it is. And the next time around, once we're done with this, you won't be worrying about Class III, anything. There won't be any such thing anymore. Everybody will be owning whatever they want. You can live like an adult. Yeah, you can live like a free adult that is embracing liberty by actually having whatever the hell you earn. And if you take it back, if you capture an APC, take it home with you. That's my attitude on it. Congratulations. Don't worry, there's plenty stacked around here. We need to make sure they're spread out. There probably won't be any local township regulations for keeping one in your yard either. And if anybody starts that, we'll go hunt them down next. We've got to do the war. I just got through with these fools trying to kill me over there. You start fluffing your mouth at me about that. I'll beat the living snot out of you and bury your own front yard. I'm serious. That's the attitude we better have. Once this thing is kicked in, all this BS gets scraped off the table. And that's really what needs to happen in this country. Cross the board. If we don't do it, we're going to be, it's just the ship's going to continue to sink. I'm not going to fix their ship. Not going to fix tires on their car. So we're gonna have to make sure we clean things up properly and we'll build we'll build properly it's gonna happen Anyway, I tell you what before we go any farther down. We're a little past the bottom of the hour, but not much guys I told you about those mounts that center fire systems has their picatinny rails their quick release and Don has stuff that could go on that rail so you could very quickly attach and detach and go from daylight tonight You know night scopes Don what do you have and how can we get hold of you, sir? Well, once you get that mount, not to be redundant with the use of the word, but firmly mounted on your gun so it doesn't move, all you've got is thumb screw to put a piece of night vision on that rail. So you bring it to a zero, you take it off, you put your daylight on and you take the daylight off and you put your night vision back on in the same slot, same crossbar reinforcer, and you're going to be within an inch of 100 yards. If you want to talk to me about night vision, hey my number is 2317968458. Again, 2317968458. We've got a first generation gun sight. Same one we've been talking about for a year now at $429 right in your mailbox. Before that they were back ordered. But now they aren't backordered and guess what? Now they're $400 right near mailbox. I'm bragging about that. I'm really, really happy. So $400 first generation gun sight that will go on top of your FN, go on top of your M1, your AR-10, your 700, your 70. At any rate, if you want to talk to me about that one, you can reach me at 231-796-9. We could talk about goggles or gun sights, you guys. We could talk about thermal. We could talk about thermal gun sights. My number is 2317964848. Again, 23179658. I've got a couple of subjects I want to bring to the hour, Mark. Jump right in there, John. Go right ahead, please. Well, before we do that, let's see if we've got any callers waiting. That way, time, I've heard a couple of beeps. If we've got a caller waiting, we might as well bring them up rather than let Don get long winded here. Pause for effect on the radio is better for fire than effect, isn't it? I just thought I'd mention that. But you guys, let's do this here. You know at the beginning of the hour, you hear that magazine into the magazine well. And when you drop that magazine out, there's a couple of things I want to talk about magazines here. You might go to a gun show. You might even pick up one of that gentleman's guns and pick up some of his magazines and they drop in and out of that gun okay. But when you get home, you want to make certain that that magazine drops out, the gravity still works. It comes out of that magazine well, kind of like proverbial oats out of a goose. I don't mean to be so rude, but it does not need to stick there at all. If it's jamming in there, something's wrong. If it's not falling out of its own accord, something's wrong. We pointed this out here before because sometimes when you load up a full magazine, particular double stack magazines, a single stack magazine will bulge a little bit to the sides. But a double stack magazine, you guys, go to your buddy's house who's a mechanic who builds his own motors and mics them up and everything or the machine is shot and measure your mag, the width of it, and then load up that double stacker and measure the width of it. Now we've addressed this before, but you want to make sure again, you guys, that when your magazine goes into the magazine well and you touch that magazine release, that man gravity just pulls it out like rain from the sky. It just falls out. Now if that doesn't happen, there's a reason that that little tab is on the five, God bless John Moses Browning, he was a rather clever fellow. That little steel tab on the forward edge, it's almost like a lip, it's almost like a little shoe sticking out there. That's not there so you don't push the magazine way too far into the... The top of the magazine well is going to stop you from doing that. Think about it. When that magazine is set in the well and that is clicked in and you know the same thing that holds it when you touch that release. When that magazine is fully seated in the well, that little tab is still available to your finger. Now let's do it in a number of different ways. Let's do it across kind of time. To your finger, to your belt loop, to your belt, to the whole born of your saddle, to the edge of your saddle, to the top of your boot, to the pocket of your jacket. Any one of those stations will, if you're touching the mag release and the mag is not falling out, will grab that dinky little lip and hopefully pull that magazine out for you. Did I mention that John Moses Prowning was a rather clever fellow, wasn't he? That is not a magazine stop. That keeps me from pushing the magazine too far into the gun. That is not what that is for. I could reiterate, but I gave you what? Your finger, the palm of your hand, the edge of your hand scraping it. There's another one. There's two stations. Your belt loop, three. Your belt, four. Your pocket edge, five. The top of your boot, six. The edge of where your jacket hits the seven different stations. Oh, did I mention the saddle horn? Eight. The edge of the saddle. Nine. Now that could be your steering wheel. Ten. Now we could double up with the saddle horn there, couldn't we? Or the edge of your seat being the edge of... There are so many... That's why that little tab is there. Again, for the third time I will say, John Moses Browning was a clever fellow. That's why that's there. Now, you might find that all of my magazines fall out and they have for all of my life and I've never once in my life found a magazine jammed by 1911. It might not be a 1911, it might be a whole lot of other guns, but pay attention to that little tab there. It's not there to make it look like a shoe. It's not there for endless reasons. It most certainly isn't there to keep you from pushing the magazine through the top of the gun because that won't happen. Now if you want to comment on that, Mark, I'll yield for a moment, but we could run right into another subject. No, actually, one of the most important things, remember the .45 was designed for and was in fact used by virtually every service, but was designed originally as a cavalry weapon for all practical purposes because mounted infantry was the norm, not the exception. That's why I threw that saddle in there every bit of pun intended. Even today, one thing to remember, yeah, we've got all kinds of whiz-bang toys while the fuel runs, but every army in the last hundred years at some point or another has done two things. They've either gone to bicycles or they've gone to horses, and especially paraconventional forces or reserve elements or defense forces in areas. And the reason, hey, fuel for horses is anywhere you look, look outside. Anything you need to feed them if all that fails, shove their head over there to graze. Okay, cab bicycles, well, yep, you're gonna build up those hamstrings, you're gonna build up those calves, you're gonna build up those thigh muscles. But you know what, you need- You covered a lot more territory than walking, so- Exactly, the basic rule is you will travel three times as fast. So, in other words, you're covering that much more real estate. Now, you aren't going to peddle your hind end. I don't care what anybody says. I'm sorry. Because of the variances and what are going to happen with fatigue and combat operations, yes, you can be an Olympic cyclist for all practical purposes. But the rule is because you'll be way out there while the force is behind you, Lance Armstrong. Yeah, where are you going, kid? Well, I'm going to be way up ahead. Yes, you will, but not for long. We'll be all alone. We hope we hear from you again. yeah i give him give them that mission that's right by now with a little with a high peddlers arm put him out there but in reality because of reconnaissance fire maneuver all remember overwatch techniques even with bicycles same with horses guys The basic rule was that that pistol was built for an era in a wide range. The naval services used it and each had, and let's not forget the Marines, each service had its own idea, especially between the Army and the Marine Corps, about how each arm that they put into service should work, even though they had the exact same weapon. And the Marine Corps version versus the Army version, there are variations that you need to pay attention to. Another point of philosophy. Before we move away from this subject, You guys, when you are practicing these, you know, drop the magazine because gravity doesn't work, maneuvers, take your finger out of the trigger. Well, okay, take your finger off the trigger, move your finger up to the side. Because you know what? If you shoot your horse while you're practicing this or while you do this in real life, he's not going to like you a whole lot. And he's not going to be much good for you anymore, is he? Well, much of the same techniques that were used for cavalry use or for horseshoes were also used for one-armed casualty use. Exactly. That's the point to be made here because if you try to use your belt loop, you try to use your belt, you try to use your pocket, and just, well, there's one in the chamber and with that little bit of force and, man, you're under duress because you only got one and you're trying to get it done and, man, you pull that trigger and you shoot yourself in the leg while you've just doubled up or tripled up or at least doubled up on your own. casualties, you're already wounded. Right now you've wounded yourself. Again, try not to shoot your horse. He won't like you very much. It might not be helpful if you start degrading the ability to leave. Yes. In other words, it's not just the attack. Remember that it's more like dragoons. With horses in a modern warfare, it's a dragoons situation. Dragoons were heavy infantry and the horse got them to the battle. So, what they would do is get into the area. They might make contact, which means you would initially fire because you are going to try and break up the enemy's line of fire. But beyond that, the idea was to dismount and move as heavy infantry. And that horse allowed you to be a more effective heavy infantry unit. Why? Because he could carry more junk! Look at all the stuff that a Dragoon carried that the average, you know, Lake Cavalry did not. The Dragoon's had a very different mission and their idea was to get where they needed to go and stay. Not just to make contact but to stay. To do that, the staying power was the ability to bring that horse along with more mags, more ammo, more food, more water. In general, again, they were a very different configuration from a lot of the other units that were out there. We're looking at being heavy infantry. A Dragoon mindset is what you have to have. The pistol, the 1911, is part of that. Go ahead. Jump into whatever subject. Let's talk about the dragoons for a moment. A long, long time ago, where did that name come from? They were some of the first to carry firearms in because of their weight on horseback. The dragoon is kind of a slang for a word we all know, dragon. Because in the old days, the powder being so inefficient and the metal being so... flimsy. Well, there'd be a lot of fire spitting out with the projectile breathing drag and came to slang, the dragoons. And they were some of the first to carry heavy firearms into battle. And because of horseback and the weight of a... Other than that, it's just like, man, I got this thing on my shoulder and I'm trying to get over there. But that's where the word comes from, the slang. Now, let's go back to pink stocks here. We can cover this for a few minutes, Mark. Well, last Friday night, I think it was 2020, they ran a... Well, it kind of went in progression of what would the children do if they found a gun? And they did NRA something eagle. What was it? Charlie the Eagle or something? Freddy Eagle or something like that? Yeah, yeah. Freddy, no Freddy the Eagle. Don't touch a firearm. Run and tell an adult. Well, they showed this to a whole bunch of children, probably about 40 children of various ages, from like second grade to 10 or 12 years old. And then they put them in a room with a gun and they put them in variants of like layers of a cake, different kinds. But at one time they had like second grade children with a 10 year old and the 10 year old kept them from touching the gun that they found. But there was all cambered up and everything and this is a what if kind of situation and well we can tell the children not to touch the gun and even you know the local police come out and tell you not and at any rate they went through all of that and they filmed it and they told a percentage of children that touched the guns. The younger children were more apt to touch a gun or pick it up or when they picked it up pointed at someone or looked down the barrel. Now they did that segment for about 15 minutes Mark and then they did another segment with well they went from there to a a deputy who just left his house and because he was a deputy his house was all cambered up and when his wife you know he would leave his wife would lock the door because of threats against deputies and that was mentioned in this and because of threats against deputies they kept a loaded gun on the top of the dresser in their bedroom and their child their boy three or four years old about three years old never was in that bedroom before The door is generally locked, but somehow when he left for work, she went in the bedroom and came back out. He slipped in there without her knowing and climbed up somehow. They showed some really weird things about children climbing up the face of a refrigerator. It cornered into a wall and only using a tricycle to get to the segment that is the freezer and climbing up that and then the child without any other aid or any other things around is on the top of the refrigerator. Children have a great imagination and can use that to do all kinds of things that adults don't think they can. At any rate, this boy got that gun and shot himself and the wife called the deputy. Within five minutes of him leaving work and they used that for a while and you know what? I don't think that three-year-old would have been able to put one into the chamber. So that had to be a gun that in total hot and there was no excuse for having a gun like that with a child around. Unattended gun like that, not a gun in your control, on your person. But a child around and one in the chamber of the gun, there's no excuse for that. The wife should be able to pick up a gun and with one in the magazine, draw that slide back, let the slide fly to battery. Contrary to all of Hollywood where you pull the slide back and you hold on to it as it goes forward, the gun might not even shoot if you do that because the slide might not be closed. It might not be to battery. They milked that for a little while and they had that deputy on there and his son died. It's a tragedy. One has to say that It was his fault and his wife's fault. It was his fault for leaving one in the chamber. You can't blame that child at all. Children are inquisitive as cats. You can't blame that child. They had no idea what it was doing. But the man, the deputy who left a gun there with one in the chamber, it's all his fault. No question about it. Then they go on to, here's where we talk about the pink stocks. They took guns out into a playground mark and left the little hornet. You can get that little 22 Hornet now, I'm thinking it might be a different gun, but you can get that with a pink stock now. They put girls out into the playground. Eventually the girls found them around the merry-go-round or by the monkey bars or something. One girl pointed at the pink gun and said, that's a girl's gun. She pointed at the other one because it was like the layers. So that it looks like tiger or whatnot of plastic. You know how you can layer wood and it looks real pretty. Laminate. She pointed at the other one and said, that's a boy's gun. The other girl said, oh they're toys because that one's pink. They picked them up and played with them for a while. They used this as all propaganda that, well, you can't tell if it's a pink gun, you can't tell if it's a real gun or not. I'm not there in the morning, did you? No, actually I think everybody, a lot of people just shut 2020 off. I mean, it doesn't mean you don't watch it. The thing is, this particular piece is a remake from the anti-gun stuff they were doing in the late 70s, around 77. And in fact, if you've got people on YouTube, we need to kind of hunt this down, look to see if we can put a side-by-side on it. Because they did the same thing, all they have variations, you know, oh my god, the pink guns! I think what they're really, here's what they're PO'd about is, nobody is deciding to apologize to the anti-gun people anymore. You have to apologize for existing. You have to apologize for enjoying what you're doing. Well, it's like stuff it. If you've got queers wondering around with their butt cheeks hanging out, don't tell me about how I'm supposed to apologize for what I do. You can stuff it up your hind and sideways. You'll enjoy it anyway. When you think about it, guys, the whole thing is trying desperately to get us all to apologize for existence. And I'm still waiting for those people on the swimming pools that have how many kids drown in them every year to demonstrate to me why they needed that pool in the first place. You know what I mean? Because when you look at it, what it comes down to, kids like you said, 90% of them, the kids waddle out through the gate or get over the gate because they just like the idea of that shimmering, jiggly water and then nobody hears the splash and then later on, so nobody of course goes swimming in the pool after that either ever ever again, do they? Oh, wait a minute, they do. And they keep using the pool. But we don't find or, and we haven't set up special safety regulations through OSHA to put everybody in a bubble when the thing's not there. But we don't figure out, granted, it's a good idea to secure it. But mostly the securing part is so that your liability isn't there because people aren't paying attention. And mostly, again, it's always the child, the children thing. First rule, number one, teach everybody to swim. By the way, younger is better. I found to be the same situation. My children all grew up with firearms. For them it was no big deal. Like, oh look a gun! I mean, they appreciate weapons. But all of them handled firearms, all of them had their own firearms. In fact, all of them had weapons. Most people would be like, wow, that's cool. And they did. They said the same thing. Wow, those are really cool. But they even addressed that angle, Mark, about the parents who trained their children with guns at an early age. And I rather enjoyed it. It seemed maybe a four, maybe a five-year-old young boy there. And he was behind with his father immediately behind him, his hand on his shoulder and his one hand on the gun. He was behind his son while he was rattling off three round bursts. And all of them were going into the target. That was something to see that put a grin on my face. No doubt it put a grin on his too. I saw it. I think one of the things that really, this is something I did quite a bit, Ed knows this, but when we had people over and they wanted to fire, you know, use a weapon, or they wanted weapons and they were talking about learning how to use a weapon. Well, part of the weapon safety class that I've done for years, especially with children, It is intentional. You could scare them. No, I want them to understand and respect what it is they are playing with when they are going to enjoy it. You are playing with things. You are adult playing. We are expecting you to have more responsibility. Not be a three year old at the age of 21. Fearful of everything. Walking around in a body bubble because you are terrified of life. And I would take a pumpkin and put it on a post. Everybody sit down. Everybody see what this is? Now this is a firearm. This is not a toy. This is a very, very useful tool. And we will respect it for this reason. And then I would put the muzzle right up next to the pumpkin and pull the trigger with the rifle and whomp! And it'd be like everybody can picture that in their mind because somebody has seen somebody shoot a pumpkin. And I'd do it parallel to all the individuals who were seated. The weapon would go, the ground would be fired, go through the pumpkin, into the impact area. And the idea behind this is that now does everybody understand that if you do wrong, if you make a mistake, this is a very unforgiving tool. But so is a hammer once it's in motion. So is a skill saw when you cut corners and you end up finding body parts laying on the ground. So is every other aspect to include running around, you know, running around a lawn mower, not paying attention to where the blades are. So does going out and getting the mail and not looking both ways when you walk across the street and finding yourself part of the semi-pizza. You know, going down the road, stuck to the front grill or something. See how that works? So it comes down to common sense. Again, expecting, there's a beautiful picture, Don, on this subject, it's classic because it fits in what we're talking about. Back in the day, we didn't have to. It's got a picture of a foghorn, a leg horn, put a firecracker under the arse of the dog on the chain, remember? He goes, we were smart enough 30 years ago that back in the day, we didn't have to have a notice underneath this cartoon saying, kids don't do this at home. Don't try this at home. He goes, we were smarter than that. What the hell happened to everybody's brain in the meantime is basically what they're saying and it's true. It's like, well I saw this in the car too, yeah okay, well like I've said, it's like me watching The Matrix and going, ah I can do that. You mean Dodge Bullet? I'll take a pic. Or any of these other BS movies. Or just learn to fly a helicopter in an instant. I would really like to do that. Here's one of these things, a lot of these movies, my favorite are falls. Guys, I have fallen distances. Now, I'm going to tell you yes for a second and even after the impact you might move around a little bit. But let's talk about the days afterwards. Okay, and you always see these movies like there's this one Jackie Chan movie with always one with the black guy and it came to think about being I don't really care but they fall through their fault through this floor because there's been bullets all through this you know floor and it turns out they're like four stories up or you know three and a half four stories up and They fall with everything now granted the whatever they fell with is going to kind of well not really cushion much But if there was anything sharp underneath at least you're just going to you know be stuck on that flat surface Which is kind of like crashing with a helicopter But, guys, if you drop any distance like that, you'll find first of all, I don't know why I can't take it. Number one. So you're really worried about suffocating. You won't, but it's literally as they say, I just got the wind knocked out of you. Yeah, a real major wind knocked out of you, guys. Then it's a matter of how you were impacting. Were you standing? Or are you laying? Even if you're laying, now if you're laying there's actually less likely to be damaged like we're talking about provided when you hit the ground or hit the area of impact there isn't a bicycle rack or a bicycle or something that sticks up higher than everything else because that creates like a snap for the stick when your spine hits it. So there's a whole bunch of other factors there but just the idea that that impact your body will handle a whole lot of g-force but it pays for it. And especially when I see these old farts, you know, our age guys, where they're, you know, it's a day later. Yeah, yeah, I rolled three somersaults off the two-story building, jumped from here, and then we fell in that scene you saw where we was laughing, everybody's laughing. Whoa! Pop! Okay, the next day you don't see him springing around like the chickens you see in those movies. Hand me the heating pad. Yeah, it's like... After a while, hand me the ice. Oh, oh, and then two days out, you see, it takes a day for all the black and blue to catch up. Then it takes about the third day is when the black and blue starts to show up. because it's working towards the surface. And so you can figure out how the guy fell if you pay attention. When it's turning purple and yellow, it's really hurting. Yeah, that's the deep ones. They go right to the bone through all that muscle. Yeah, see? And that's the reality. You're not sure about all this. Go ahead. I was just saying down there. or no but again it all is built all this cgbs whatever don't try this at home no i'm not stupid enough to jump off a three-story building and think i can do the double somersault fire the gun under my armpit and land on my feet running uh... that he didn't rain or full there but here it's reinforced by that so there's used equal barriers that are you know actually are they going to do that well maybe once and when they find their corpse.