January 15, 2014
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1h 8m
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2014
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed weapons systems, tactical training, and preparedness on the evening of January 15, 2014. The hosts covered Weapons Wednesday topics including night vision equipment, magazine management in sustained combat, combined arms tactics with heavy and light rifles, and the historical significance of marksman-based fire teams. They addressed pain management in combat situations, revolver versus semi-automatic pistol economics, body armor options, and ammunition sourcing. A caller named George raised concerns about Monsanto's agricultural practices and patent enforcement against farmers, leading to discussion about potential farmer resistance and vigilante action.
- weapons wednesday
- night vision
- ar-15
- 308 rifle
- magazine management
- combined arms
- suppression fire
- revolver
- body armor
- monsanto
- farmers
- preparedness
- tactical training
- ammunition
- michigan militia
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We turn back to the East week across Plains Leap over the Mississippi and land on the Smokies, where the restaurant crews, grammar teams, OK teams, and mob-go grammar consortium bringing us to the Golden Spike. It's dark here. Medium temperature for winter. What's it like in your neck of the woods? Let's jump in off the wall there, sir. What's the date? Market is the 15th day of January. Year of our Lord, 2000 and... Now time flies. It was a beautiful day here. It warmed up. The roof dripped a little bit. Hey, the roads are pretty slick. There is a certain kind of day here. The strike down the middle of the week. We can do this a couple of different ways, but to treat the extractor well, the magazine goes in the magazine well, not to be redundant with the use of the word, but then you touch that slide release and oh man, that's just a nice, I just enjoy that sound a lot. God bless John Moses Browning. But then I'm gonna drop that magazine back in the palm of my right hand while the left hand goes down and backward with that cartridge, you know some call them bullets. And then the magazine is going to go back in the well and we can tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity coercive force of course. It is Weapons Wednesday and I will remind everybody there's a number of different sources for these KA123A batteries. It's a pretty good price though. BG Micro dot com the price is ten batteries for seven dollars and fifty cents expiration date is twenty twenty two thousand twenty guys so you got some good life first a lot of battery the unit battery number is b a t one one one three that's b a t one one one three if you can order these and it's b g micro dot com c r one twenty three a batteries by panasonic going day in uh... dons night vision Daylight equipment and nighttime equipment including laser systems. There's a lot of other stuff these batteries are in. So remember guys, if you've got a lot of electrical equipment and it does take them, you want more than one spare battery per piece of equipment, don't you? Yeah, now's the time when the batteries get ate up overnight. Yeah, cold weather guys. This is where you need more. A handful of chiclets between everybody distributed means that you've got enough to keep everything in motion. A little trick to that with the batteries, by the way. That little high-impact foam padding, you can build, of course, a nest in a case for that. But remember, you can also build a little foam box that actually provides an insular case for the batteries. And every little bit helps. But remember, there's a high R factor for that foam. So padding, you know, creating a nest, stationing the batteries in there. and then, you know, boxing them in accordingly with a top, a little top that can be fastened in a number of different ways, which just sticks in place. It's not going to be an obstruction when you need to get to it, but it will help to keep the batteries secure and it will help to insulate them a little bit more. Every little bit helps in that situation. Real quick, Don, as long as we are on night vision and we started out right there, weapon systems, platforms, many types can take a night vision piece of technology. What do you have available and how can we get hold of you in about one hour? Well, if you've got the ability to put a 7 8's, a Weaver, or a 1 inch, a Picatinny rail on top of your gun, we can probably put a piece of night vision on that because most any real gun sight, every gun sight that I offer is purpose-built as a gun sight. Well, it'll grab onto that rail either one inch or seven eighths, thumb screw right down to it. We can do that with a first-generation device, a second-generation device. Both will live on top of your M1, like a .308, you know, your AR10. If you've got an AR10 flat top and you just want to put a piece of night vision on it just to kind of get in the game, so to speak, no pun intended there. Just to stand in the arena might be a better phrase to put there, or you know, crawl around on the edges. We can put a first generation gun site in your mailbox for $429. There's a two year warranty on that. The manufacturer says it won't fail from recoil. So my number is 231-79684. We can talk about a second generation gun site, basically the same 308 recoil right in your mailbox, $1,305. We could go up more in the scale of price and talk about a handheld piece of thermal, not a gun site, but it would be a real good combination with a gun site or a number of gun sites to determine is that really a target. that in your mailbox for under $2,000. I'll blink under $2,000. The manufacturer wants $1,995 for it and I'll pick up the delivery and the insurance on the delivery and all of that. My number is 2317-96-8458. The idea here is to ramp up to equal ability if not in some cases exceeding ability. That's the thought line to kind of level the playing field. At least we can all dig a hole in the edge of the arena. That's another way to see it. But you guys, when you look at it in a particular direction, eventually you're going to come across something you don't like, or they're going to come across you and you hope to see them before they get the drop on you. The old ambush thing there, Pilgrim. When we get into particular places, we talk about hit and run, and we talk about strike and step back, and we talk about strike and step through. We've talked about the difference, and we haven't used particular those phrases or those individual words, but we've talked along all of those lines. Now, it might come a point where... We can't run anywhere for a little while and we're going to have to kind of hold here and hope the cavalry comes over the hill here in a little while because you know the word is out, the flare is up and just before they cut the line it went out on the internet too. I'm being a little facetious there, you know what I mean? But you guys, if it comes to a time and this goes back to what you hear at the very front of the hour, that mechanical sound that is initiate, that initiates weapons Wednesday. If it comes to a time when you're just the button now qualify that. Have you ever been to Knob Creek and have you ever been in a place where if you don't keep shooting at them, you know they're just going to step through when you step through. Or if somebody isn't shooting at them, they will close the range. Times when, as mentioned earlier in the week, sometimes they're fired. Now if you've got, let's do a straight line, simple, and you know things are never simple because as soon as you've been working this for 30 seconds or If they take 30 minutes to figure out, we need to flank these people that are just out there in a straight line in front of us or hiding behind this line of trees. If somebody doesn't be working on that in 30 seconds, you probably have a good advantage on them because you can probably start to think to flank them. But we're getting a little bit creating that discontinuous fire because it might come to that. There are times when you might stand at the edge of the berm and hold your hands up with your gun in it and just spray and pray. You might do that. We've seen film of that and I don't reference that as something that is very efficient. Mark has rung that example out many, many times. It's not good to waste bullets, but it's not good to waste yourself either. Hordes of zombies on the other side of the wall, one could understand well that that guy, he did a good job. You know what I mean? you're coming to spray and pray time like that. You guys, when you hear, you used to hear a lot at the front of the hour, one in the chamber and slam the slide closed and then a full magazine going in. If you're handed a handgun, if you're handed a long gun because you're the loader, because everybody's at the wall, well gee, they've already chewed up half their magazines and they're looking around at each other in that little dinky pause and they're looking at other people's because everybody basically has the same load. You're hearing the same thing over there. If you're aware of anything at all, your magazines are empty. What are you going to do? Stand around and draw. This comes to a point, you guys. Even if you think that in this, you can put a whole bunch of monkeys in a room with a bunch of typewriters. The odds are it's been said, and this is astronomical, that eventually one of them or a sentence of Shakespeare, just from the pure odds. But if you've got four magazines and the other guys got four magazines, they might be 30 round magazines. And half of them are empty. You better think about taking one person and starting to load everybody's magazines, not just his own. Because if you load your own magazines while you stand on for that moment, you're kind of lacking for the firepower down range. Now granted, the argument against that is you're going to take somebody away to be a reloader. There's the argument against that, but let's continue. You are chosen if you have chose to win in a in a sustained action that the phrase i was trying to dig up there for a moment in a sustained action well i'll just pause and i'll reload a few men out what reload one magazine right now because i can't and i'll reload but now i've got back and we go to man and on three up and i got one empty in if you continue to play like that now that i put the word there on purpose if you continue to play like that stabbing at the typewriter keys, eventually you will punch out a sentence that says, we are all empty. Oh my God, everybody is empty at the same time. See how that works? Now, let's go back to what would you rather have? One less man at the wall? who has fingers that are just calloused because zoom, zoom, zoom. He throws them cartridges, you know, complete bullets while you're throwing bullets down range. Or would you rather take that chance like monkeys in the room full of typewriters that eventually everybody at the wall, everybody at the window, everybody over there behind that log and that tree and that rock, they all run out at once. Nobody's got a stinkin' magazine. Everybody's got pockets full of chicklets, or they're all arranged real fine in those boxes. But if you don't dedicate when a squad becomes engaged, heavy engagement, you think it's going to be sustained. If you do not dedicate, and now this goes over, we've addressed this a number of different ways. The wounded guy. Man, his knees just blown right off. Oh God, he didn't even think of it. But there's a tourniquet on him, and he's still conscious. And his hands still work, and he says, throw me your mags. By the way, throw me that satchel because that satchel isn't a charge. It's full of chicklets. But what if there's nobody bleeding? There are so many different scenarios to play out in your mind or play out in training so that you don't play like a bunch of monkeys at a typewriter and buys your ticket and takes your chances. I'll be quiet now, Mark. And most important here is, again, Common sense has to prevail with regard to the processes here. It's actually deductive reasoning, right, Don? Yeah, you have to think that there is the chance. Do you want to draw that card? That's one way to put it. Now, this gets back to another thing that we discussed over the day here from the morning through to the evening hour, and that has to do with support branches. There's a lot of people that will tell me, well, I'm either too old or I have an incapacitated in some way, I can't be out there with the infantry with the militia. True, that may be true, although I'd prop your arse up in a turret of a mechanized vehicle and you could run a chain gun all day. Oops, oh, I got you back in that fight real quick, didn't I? However, don't worry, there's a lot of other jobs need to be done, medical support being one of them. In the process, even though it's not planned, let's not forget, But we have to have a logistic train and a mechanism in place. We need to look at NBC, Nuclear Biological Chemical Defense. Medical support is tied right into this. But trying to avoid being the casualty is the first and most important thing we know. However, the fickle finger of fate is such that for everybody out there, the very thing that Don's described, we need to be ready for. We need to be prepared for across the board. Everybody's going to have to just do their part. It's macro motion. In other words, throw as much weight on the table and storage as you can. Do what you can to get at least the stuff in the general direction where it needs to be. Continue to develop and build up skills. If you have material you can route to people where they can perfect or use the material. Do that. Right now, the biggest problem we've got with regard to training is actually bringing people together of like mind, settling on, as I talked earlier during the 2R block, about a standard. Setting a standard and sticking to it, guys. This prevents a lot of the issues from developing that we're seeing or that you were describing, Don, because in the process of training, as long as you don't let anybody weedle in and do the, oh, we don't need to practice for that, we'll figure that out later, wrong. Cutting corners, if you're a carpenter, eventually means you lose a finger. Cutting corners with regard to training or with regard to direct work and labor application, no matter what it is to include military science, something's gonna get cut. Oh, let's cut to the chase on this, every pun in this. The lousy carpenter, word is going to get out that he does lousy work, and eventually they'll send an inspector to fix him. Or at least he prepaints the wood. Eventually they'll send an inspector to fix him. Yeah. Think about it. Well, Don, go ahead, jump in there, please. Hey, it is a weapons Wednesday, you guys. Let's run back to that because that's just playing out a scenario, that thought line. What if we get into a situation where man, they're just there and they're there and they're there and we just can't go this way because of what's there. Again, this goes back over to different scenarios, different lays of the land, different ways that things might deploy against you or you might be deployed and receive that attack or that assault. We've encouraged you over the years now to do this, to run out different scenarios just so that, well, let's run in a different direction here. The Western psychology says that A coward dies a thousand deaths, but a brave man dies but once. I don't know who wrote that. I can't remember who wrote that. But that's Western psychology, basic philosophy of a warrior. There's something to be said for that. This is true. But let's go over, and we've brought this to the hour before, too. Let's go over to the Eastern thought line. When people are training and throwing people to the ground, or people are training with swords, and the oops might mean you never actually graduate to be a real warrior. You might not be anything by the end of the day for the oops. But in that thought line, if you're thrown to the ground by someone in a real high form of training, you might be thrown to the ground by someone who has their sword in the other hand. One has to realize, even in training, that had it continued in real life, you probably would have lost. The man who threw you to the ground, who had a sword in his hand, would continue his basic aggressive action, martial action, and beheaded or bisecting, or at least cut his hand off that was trying to bring a sword to his defense. At least, rape the blade across the fingers and buy four little chiclets for to the floor while the sword does too and the guy looks at his hand for an instant and ehhh while the blood comes out. Now you think we're going in a different direction but this goes back over to this goes back over to deployment this goes back over to the plot this goes back over to boy oh boy you guys you know we talk about When you think that in that training that man who was thrown to the ground by the guy with the sword in his hand He has to realize in that instant it described moments ago if this were real combat I would be dead now now that's a that's a Eastern philosophy about I've died 10,000 times But I'm in combat now, and I will not die any of those ways that I've died before You're gonna have to show me something completely different See how that works And when we're not talking about training out there and you know, St. Perry with you know pairs of bayonets on the ends of your guns, we're not talking about that. But you have to understand that you know if you're caught, you guys, I really really you guys I can't tell you how much it is a disappointment to me when people come here and we do the paintball thing and I eventually you know it's when there's a whole bunch of people out there and the quarters are so close when you're trying to spread a bunch of people into a one or two acre group of woods and they're not dummies. Eventually you get a paintball on you. I take that seriously. That's like, man, in real life that would have been, you know, he didn't just hit me in the elbow because it would have gone through the elbow and the torso and probably into that guy standing over there because I just didn't happen to look in that direction at that time. Now understand the difference between a coward dies a thousand deaths. The hero dies once. I've died a thousand times through particular acts of training where the end result had it been in a real fight, I would have been dead. But I stand up and I trade that action with my training partner. In that instant, at the end of that action, that thought, that whole action has been reversed. Because now he's the one on the ground. I'm the one in my hand. Understand that. When you look at and when you start It's hard to appreciate that for what it really and truly is. One can understand how, man, these Japanese, we've never seen soldiers committed like this before. We've never seen, now I'm not telling you you should be willing to run to the machine gun. Don't get me wrong. A soldier that thinks, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, is not a real good soldier. We have example that in the book that, small unit action in Vietnam, pardon my taking a moment to remember that. That's recounts of real life answers and experience people who were Marines who you know exhibited while they were coming up the ability to yeah He can read and write really really good goodness stuff So we're gonna make him like a field reporter and they did and they drew actions out of Vietnam in 1965 through 1967 and then compiled this book one of the actions mark you and I both know this and we've brought this to the hour a small a good number of times one of the descriptions of a battle small unit action and Vietnam. There's a bunch of Marines moving through Vietnam and they get through a bunch of rice paddies and you know how it's set up. This is like ambush territory. Machine guns, the Chinese machine guns held there with the, you know, black one Marine moving out there in the rice paddy. He gets shot in the arm and this is, I don't make this stuff up. He's shot in the elbow and he makes his way over a little bit all the while. Gosh, I'm going to die and he gets over by the little edge and he falls down by the edge there and the corpsman gets to him. You know, and the Marines, they don't call him medics. The corpsman gets to him. And the corpsman tries to straighten him up, and you're going to be okay, and the corpsman dresses his wound out, and he stops the bleeding, and the guy's screaming, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, and the corpsman tells him he's going to be all right, gives him the standards, he's going to be okay. He gives him, and the guy dies. The guy dies. This is recorded into history. This is real. We don't make this stuff up. We have addressed this a number of times, and this is something that needs to be brought to the hour over and over. That guy talked himself into dying, literally. No excuse for him to die being shot in the elbow. The Marine, the corpsman, basically wrote that in his report. The guy died from shock. The guy talked himself into dying. Now, the Times would ask you to look at both sides of the coin. And if one could imagine that it would under some poor soul could talk himself into dying in the same circumstances, maybe not shot in the elbow yet, what could a man complete and hold himself into doing? So again, you know, this goes over to I just don't want to stand up. There's another example in this. Let's turn that coin over. There is another example in that very, very mentioned small unit action in Vietnam of a Marine who was exceptional. He probably should have never been deployed just with a, probably should have been because he was the crack shot. He was known for it. And they got in the heavy and in the middle of the rice paddock rather than kind of took a, and took another aim. Bam. when those guys in the black hat started noticing when that guy shoots one of ours dies they concentrated fire on him. We can talk ourselves into great things or we can talk ourselves into just plain dying. We got to talk ourselves into great things and living. Probably the best example of what you just described there guys this is where we've talked about a combined arm seam with heavy and light rifles. You know a lot of just like we were talking about radiological defense or anything else where it's like you will get this or else you'll notice we don't do that now there's a reason a combined arms team with heavy rifles and light rifles especially since typically people who know that they can bring that weapon to bear reach a great distance put the bullet on the target repeatedly over and over again that person is a an asset that should not be wasted and in fact has to be part of a special philosophy with regard to fire maneuver. And we've talked about the use of suppression fire with those light rifles, chipmunk guns, be the AK-7R's, AK-74's, Mini-14's. The light rifle, we don't have assault rifles because we don't have any select fire per se, the light rifles fit a niche for suppression and tit-for-tat, you know, engagement. The heavy rifles are what radically change the dynamic. and I'm noticing something Don, there is an infiltration by people who are trying to be politically correct with regard to the gun world who are trying desperately to convince everybody to gun down. Now, and seriously, I'm noticing this with certain characters and they're trying to argue against Cooper about the whole idea that the idea that the .308 scout rifle, the .308 cartridge, disappeared to the .223. Guys, that was demonstrated years ago in the military application. The whole idea that you're looking at the same velocities, you're looking at the same performance, you're putting a heavier bullet down there. It chews through obstacles. It reaches farther and when it gets to those extreme distances, it still has the same energy as your light rifle at intermediate range. That's why it's so significant to understand the dynamic of the long range placement rifle. Now, in the method that Dom's talking about, rather than sitting in one place and continuing to do drastic damage and then drawing attention, the idea is to actually have an entire element. That does that therefore not necessarily drawing attention, but definitely causing you know major van damage to the bad guys Havoc and mayhem sudden whole bunch of them to the HE double hockey sticks That's right exactly and the suppression fire is designed to disrupt and a tree It's gonna attract attention to well unfortunately that is the nature of the battlefield everybody's putting bullets down range and usually someone's gonna be angry with you eventually you are going to create enemies Okay and just all first to it so it's a dangerous environment to begin with utilizing the heavy rifles let's put it this way though the marine concept of world war two at the beginning of the war was to use three man rifle teams one man carried a b.a.r. one man carried a thompson the third man carried a bolt or some automatic rifle The purpose of the sub gunner was obvious. The BAR man for suppression and reaching a greater distance, especially with clutch targets where you have multiple targets available, their cone of destruction from that BAR, the guy could write his name. Both could, the Thompson and the BAR man. The rifleman's job was to individually play shots on target with the other two suppression weapons in service. The rifleman in each of those three-man fire teams, his job was to continue to destroy the fighting strength of that unit during the process of intelligent confusion created by the squad gunner and by the sub-gunner. Now, this was a process that they went into the war with at the beginning of World War II, and remember at the time it was the Johnson light rifle and also the Johnson light machine gun that actually were in place of the BAR and the Grand for the Marines. Very seldom have you ever seen an accurate depiction of that. You always see the Marines with a Grand. Guys, they didn't go into the war with a Grand. They went into war with the Johnson weapon systems because that way they weren't competing against the army for that brand-new rifle that was being cranked out called the Garand, the O.M.1. Instead, the Johnson did its job. But in either case, those riflemen, actually using a 1903 Marine sighted Springfield or the Johnson rifle with its Marine spec sights, had one mission and it would become famous later on during the Korean War II they became known as the Whispering Death Crew because they were marksmen and those marksmen accounted for a vast number of casualties on the battlefield. For the number of rounds fired, pretty well guaranteed that if they could put a bullet down range on a target they were going to hit someone. They didn't necessarily kill each person they shot but putting a big .30-06 pencil spike through somebody kind of ruins their whole day. So even if you didn't kill him, it took him out of action and did what it was supposed to do. And that's what that man's mission is. Some of them even fished out him in the elbow, they died. That's enough. That's right. Oh my god, is it bad? No, it's not bad. You tell everybody that! Actually, we've heard that, guys. Oh, it's not bad. Oh, you were told to tell everybody. No, it's not that bad. Oh, I know. I thought you told that to Ralph. Yeah, I saw it just before he died, man. No, it's an elbow wound, trust me. You're really not going to die. In fact, I got the bleeding stopped, and I'm sure it's probably driving pain through the top of your head, because the elbow is shot in a good one, just like a knee shot in a good one. That was the thing. The pain was there, but that was part of what was the psychological sinking ship process. What's that ulna nerve that I think it is, that honey bone nerve? oh it let you know it rings like a gourd and of course being hit with perforated and shattered men or at least perforated maybe not shattered if you're lucky god god help you uh... either way it's it's a it's a major debilitating wound despite the movies were very has that arm hanging around your nose that have you ever get usually when you have a injury guys a major injury you know you can move around You know the body doesn't quite register all the pain and the muscle tissue hasn't started to compensate. Don't let them look at it. Yeah, but after about the first hour and a half or two hours if there isn't sufficient pain reduction, all these movies where you see the guy flopping around and he's not flinching or wincing, he's just got a normal face but he's got this arm all trussed up because he can't even move it for the type of injury. Have you noticed this? And it's one of those little things that you kind of, you know, again, every little poke, every little bump every little tick. Well, let's just say that it's going to drive it right up through the jaw to the top of your head and all the way back to your butt. It's going to go all through the nervous system and it lets you know real quick. Now we talked about pain recently and we will check for callers in just a moment, but we've talked about pain and you guys, the psychologists, I hate to use that word, the people who study pain, some of them look at pain like an emotion as much as a physical experience. And we've addressed some of the things that the guy shot full of holes and still carries the satchel charge. Yeah, in this case it's a charge right up to the port of the machine gun, concrete, encampment, emplacement, and throws it in. And he lives and gets that medal and all of that. Or he dies. But he gets the job done overlooking the pain that was already inflicted on him. We've addressed that. And hey. go down to your local library and there's a book called the Congressional, the record of the Congressional Medal of Honor. And it has everybody who's got one in there and it goes back to all of those guys who got one after World War I or during the Civil War just for re-enlisting and then it mentions that they were, but read some of the guys shot left and right up and down and you know, fights off the Chinese hordes or shot left and right up and down and you know, you know. is the only, he tells the whole platoon leave and he's rear guard and fights off the Germans or the Japanese or whatever. Some of the accounts in there are what we talk about. Well, the guy talked himself into dying, but the other side of the coin, look what that, both into doing. Look what that man, I haven't read one of those, I haven't checked that book out in a long, way too long. And just between you and me. Some of those accounts are hard to read by yield mark. Also, don't forget CDN and Investments, www.cdnninvestments.com. And the reason I bring it up, they usually have some pretty good buys on mags. And right now people are looking for spare mags, cdnnninvestments.com. They'll usually have a sale or at least have a you know specials on the front They also put limits on some of the stuff that they're doing expect that looks like everybody's doing drums right now Don Center fire and CDN and both have mags on the front page and drum mags So you might want to check that out and see if there's anything that makes sense for your interests your you know for whatever you're doing in terms of weapon systems Hey, we address sustained fire earlier in the hour It would be good to know how to load a drum mag. Oh yes. Yeah, in fact, I highly recommend because you are going to run into them. Foreign countries, a lot of companies, a lot of countries have bought from companies in the U.S., the very mags you're looking at, or from the Koreans who are building them. The Koreans aren't just building those for us. The Koreans are building for the Asian market and for the war market. That is, it's been steady since way before Korea, since way before Vietnam. It has been the nature of the continent, guys. There are several wars going on right now, and Korea has never not been at war. For as long as the Korea that's been created has been there. The other thing about that is, when you're looking at the Now, magazines obviously pay attention. If you have an exotic pistol, I know for instance some people are asking about the Canik and I ask myself, did we find a source? Well, yes, there are some magazines available for those Canik Turkish pistols. They're the P9s, whatever they are. Look to be a Ruger knockoff. A cross between a Ruger and a Steyr knockoff is what they look like to me. I mean, I'm just looking at silhouettes. When you get a Ruger 22 and a Ruger Ruger, one of these new Ruger plastic pistols sitting side by side, you could accidentally grab one over the other in a heartbeat. Wouldn't know the difference. Were it not for the fact that I'd ordered mine in green, to be quite honest, because they're making the mechanics in green. I'd go green, black, tan. The silver and then whatever other colors after that, but the silver isn't really silver. It's really concrete. They're calling it titanium Don, but it's plastic. So guys, it's concrete. It means make a good urban pistol or it make a good snow camouflage pistol and you could break it up a little bit with some other colors. So it kind of work over through different seasons, give it a more of a zebra pattern. Anyway, ClassicFirearms.com has mags for the Canik, so that makes that $300 pistol no longer an orphan. There are mags available. There's one or two other companies that have the mags. They're running about $24 apiece, between $20 and $24, depending on who's selling them. If they have them for $20, most of them have sold out. I've already checked. But the ones that do have them, Classic Firearms has the mag in stock for the moment. and that'll drop in any one of the colored pistols no matter which color it is you buy. One color, the magazines fit all. Okay, that's how it works. You've got one color mag and lots of other colors in the frames and slides. The other thing about that is, again, hand cannons. With regard to being particular, I will emphasize again, if you've got a revolver and you already have speed loaders and you have everything else for that pistol, don't sell it, please. That weapon is paid for it may be a Liberty arm. It's not paper. It's tucked away Keeps its cartridges. Yes, that means down the road when everybody else is scrambling for digging for brass in the grass your brass is in your pocket or Imagine a scenario just jumps into mind where you might not want to leave any cartridges And you might not have any time to pick any up and a brass catcher might just be a little bulky Let's throw three different imaginations old things into that and spring from a sit down and work a scenario out where you need a revolver and you'll find out you're going to need a revolver hammerless ones are cool in some instances too yep the snag free very very much a user friendly concealed firearm minimal everything uh... on that note speed loaders hsks sierra beyond key i don't care what it is i like the hsks they're usually out there in force everybody's got some At least four or five, but two right off the bat. I know it's going to cost money for, again, the pistol for ammunition speed loaders. One thing about pistols, revolvers, is they've been going for a better price than the semi-autos now. Which means in the past when we were looking at $99, $110, $120 pistols that were well made and reasonably priced, that was the direction to go. But $300 seems to be the hovering cap right now. So you're looking at in some cases guns that have doubled if not tripled in price. In fact the PA-63s guys that were $69 a piece. The latest batch that have come in they're now wanting almost $300 for. Now when it was coming in for $69 or $89 or $100 it's a beautiful pistol. We've bought many of them. You guys bought hundreds and then thousands and then tens of thousands of them. However, now that's, again, it's hovering as the quote-unquote cheaper pistol at about $289 a unit. Well, you do the math on how many times that's doubled in price. You know, from $69, $79, $80 now to almost a $300 pistol. And again, it's either 9 millimeter macaroon or a .380 Auto and some even came in in .32 ACP. Well, the 9mm Canix or these other 9mm that are hovering at $300 are brand new pistols. They're full-size hand cannons. And the revolvers, which you can still run into a K-frame revolver for $125 for a Smith, a Taurus, in fact even less depending on how far up in the mountains you are because I've been told that there's been some pretty nice prices on K-frame Tauruses and Smiths. that they're showing up at pawn shops and stuff like that because everybody thinks they need a magazine-fed gun. Well, we've bought tens of thousands of Model 10s and Model 19s, K-frame Model 19s, K-frame Model 10s, and official police pistols, mostly in the Smith pattern, not so much in the Colts. The Reason standard lots of parts lots of speed loaders all kinds of spare parts around Not just grips and you know spare you know sights and things of that nature tons of leather all kinds of speed loader fixtures and The price is right. Well if the price is coming down a little bit you look at now You're gonna you're gonna see a 357 Magnum say a K frame and in the glass there for $140 and they want $300 for that other pistol. I do the I do the wheel gun that difference of $160 is $160 in speed loaders and ammunition. If you go the other way, you got $300, you got to lay down before you ever get to the, you know, the ammo and mags or the ammo and whatever. So the revolvers are not outclassed. Again, we're not going to spray and pray. You give me a 6-inch 357 or a 38 special and I will dot your eye at 100 yards and you won't, you won't know what you were shot with. It's purely a matter of understanding and knowing the tool that's in your toolbox. And right here in Michigan, guys, we have a whole bunch of people that shoot with those revolvers and hunt deer every year. And they get a deer every year. using a 6 inch or 8 inch revolver. You can use a smaller one, you're just going to lose a little energy. I'm not up on undercover all the time but it's handy to have an undercover gun and especially those little snuggies. Let me give you a little hint. We used to carry them in the M14 mag pouches on the right side in place of a holster. The way we do it is to put a little nest in there and have a couple of speed loaders or a couple of fast strips with ammunition. and that either in 38 special or in 22. And that was a standard. The 22 being the handiest because you can find them with a nine shot and pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Nice little face dagger when the time comes. If you're in a brawl and you need something that you can maneuver quickly, it's basically an extension of your hand by anywhere from two to five feet. And no, I'm not going to try and do a body shot. I'm going to pimple this hind end real quick, either crotch shot, crotch shot, crotch shot repeatedly, or head for the noggin. So, there's a number of different solutions. Guns are for buying, not for selling. I cannot emphasize that enough. And if you've already got a collection maybe coming from Dad or Uncle Fred, don't let anybody convince you to get rid of that. Those weapons are now Liberty Arms. They are totally untrackable, totally untraceable. Make them disappear, maintain them all, find out what you need to pick up to improve their condition, spare parts, magazines, ammunition, whatever, and bring everyone up to combat level. That will be your best choice. And again, you go to all the different sites around the country. There are many CDN investments. One of the things that, before we leave, we're almost to the top here. Let's see if I can find it still real quick. Forgive me, guys. There was one more item I want to touch on. And that had to do with, let's see, Apex Armor. One more time. I mentioned this this morning and I didn't do it, I think, in the two-hour block down. Apex still has the Kevlar Ballista vest, the outer vest. They also have the undercover vest for $39.75 apiece. Now they don't have many of the light blue, they have the dark blue, and they have the black. I've seen now probably about 20 versions of this that our people have bought, and all of them have been in excellent condition. There isn't one of them I wouldn't think twice to wear. All of them are in nice shape. So, if you're looking for body armor, $40, less than $40 for a vest. Well, it's $40 because it's $39.75. So, for the price, you can pick that up in an undercover set of armor. Or, if you've got ladies, they have the bumpily kind of lady body armor you need. They actually have it in stock and it's less still. So, definitely take advantage of it. That's ApexGunParts.com. ApexGunParts.com. 719-481-2050. It ain't just the stuff going out, kids. It's also being able to protect against some of the stuff coming in. And again, covering concealment does its job. Remember that if something gets through that stuff you've been hiding behind, something to slow down the rest of the energy and stop it might be a good thing. Oh yeah. And again, I've lived in body armor. A lot of you out there have done the same thing at different times, but I've lived and slept body armor. You'll get used to it. Undercover armor especially, easy. The big thing is again, make sure you do maintenance and you've got to change clothes out because body salts kill everything. And again, that's why spares or if you're in a garrison situation, maintain cleanliness. The stuff will last longer, everything, including your equipment, your weapons. Okay, Mark. Here. Okay, we got George. What do you got, George? Mark, you know, hearing about this recent Supreme Court decision, you know, siding with Monsanto. You know, I've been hearing a lot of farmers, because they say they've been seeing people running through their fields, camping with their dairy cows that don't have beets that foal growth hormones. Now I hear the farmer sitting there saying if Monsanto keeps doing this a lot of people are going to start getting hurt because now... Oh, I think some of you will get shot. I think that somebody may already have, but if they're smart they'll start hunting Mon-Suck-O. Mon-Suck-O is going to be in a world of hurt because we're not in the 70s or in the 60s anymore. There's a very different attitude across the board with people and the idiots that are in their little three-piece suit ivory towers really don't understand what the word vendetta is all about. First they'll get rid of the players that they bought and then what will happen is like I said people are those people are gonna walk out with the pitchfork or the machete It wasn't in a movie when Buford got on the bus with his hammerless revolver in his pocket and got off on the 32nd floor for about four minutes That's right and got back on the elevator and everything went pop pop pop, but it was very quiet And that's going to be happening more because this is the thing, it's 24 hour hunting season. The bad guys want everybody to do the weezer routine, but what's going to transpire is, especially if you start really, and they are, they're trying to go after people's cash resources to drive their farms out of business. I got to say, no disrespect to Buford. Yeah, oh yeah, Buford has the right idea. and Buford will, and a lot of other people will, Bill, Bob, Buford, Kenny, and Frank will all have made a decision and some of them will work together, others, totally random. Getting out of a car, trying to move around, you know, walk to a stop sign, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and walk away. Or, one I'm waiting for is kind of like, you know, you've seen variations on this in all these horror movies where the woman stands up, steps out in front of the bus, Well, you know, or the guy or the gal, it's like poo out of the blue. You know, somebody's just borrowing a five-ton truck and just running over their sari arson, these new plastic, you know, these tiny cars, you know, even if they've got something a little bigger, it's just, you know, they're finished. And people decide they don't want to give guns a bad name, which the other side will probably wish that they did. I heard Monsanto bought Blackwater. Well, that's the corporate. Remember, they've become public. When they become public, you're buying their stock. So they slide them sideways. They're a bargaining chip like anything else. Whatever name they've got for the moment too, because Blackwater has changed their name over and over again. We've got a bunch of the Blackwater patches and we've got their uniforms. You don't worry about how we got them, but let's just put it this way. They weren't wearing them when they left. Why didn't you charge the farmers mutual defense to beat Montana? Yep. Monsucco. Remember, it's Monsucco. Down your number for night vision, please. Pay that number is 2317968458. God bless the Republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Ooh-rah, don't give your number out twice, because you're going to be available in just a minute, and we'll be back tomorrow. Bye-bye. Thank you, Mark. That number is 231-7968458. Again, 231-796-8458. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America.