Live 365. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters are the doctors, so their children will be. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores, and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear? You slave. Those sons of the Republic arise. Take a stand. Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land. Preserve our great Republic and each God-given right to torture free. As Iowoki vanished in the mist from whence he came. His words were true. We are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trampled each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside of dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedom he fought to keep, what would be your answer? He called out from the grave. Dil the fandom. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Evening Intelligence Report. I'm your host, Spike Kimmons. Mark Kornke. Hey, there's Mark. And do we have Don with us? No, we do not. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines and occupied territories west southwest east and North well ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg.com. We're on Indiana Freedom Talk radio dot com. 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Oh, I'm sorry, spiking word head. The date today, by the way? Oh, today is January the 8th, year of our Lord, 2014. And here in Indiana, it is about, let me see what the temperature is here. 14 whopping degrees. That's a heat wave compared to the last couple of days. And folks that have been listening, they already know. But for the new folks coming on this hour, I have not worked all week because of this weather and that means I am not going to be getting much if any of a paycheck. So we started taking donations of which I've been taking donations for a while but we did a donation drive starting today at two o'clock when I came up and it was Joe's idea from Joe in the Carolinas that he put in $10 reoccurring to the PayPal which means $10 per month. You don't have to do that, but the challenge is if you put in a $10 a month donation to IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com and you can go there at IndianaFreedomTalkRadio.com and hit the donate button and that will do the rest for you there. You put in what you can. But if you can donate $10 a month like Joe has, if you send him an email at Joe from the Carolinas That's Joe from the Carolinas at gmail.com. He will send you a free packet of seeds if you give him your address and show him the receipt where you donated the money. And all the donations that we get here are greatly appreciated. And of course we turn them into rounds and send them back down range. And that makes what we're doing right here possible for me to come up and do this. So I need a little help paying the bills this month. If you all could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. So, remind everybody too, or you can use a subscription process also, guys. Yes, sir. You can go to indianafreedomtalkradio.com. That's indianafreedomtalkradio.com and at the top of the page, even on the archive pages, the donate button is there too. You can choose your way to donate. And PayPal, people have set up their own subscription process through PayPal. You can click whether you want it to be every month. through PayPal or not. I don't have that actual button on the website yet. But you can do that through PayPal. Click that you'd like to put in $10 a month, $20 a month, what have you. And it'll keep taking it out until you tell it to stop. And you can do that at indianafreedomtalkradio.com. And like I said, if you do that, send an email to joefromthecarolinasatgmail.com. That's joefromthecarolinasatgmail.com. and send him your address through that email and he'll send you a free packet of seeds for your garden next year. And you got to listen to the gardening program on Tuesday nights at 7 p.m. so you can learn how to grow them. And his program is called Grow Your Own, The Budding Revolutions on Tuesday nights at 7 p.m. here on Liberty Tree Radio. And I'm glad if you have any questions definitely shoot Joe an email with your gardening questions because he's great about answering those kind of things on air or even on YouTube. He'll put up a YouTube answer if it's complicated I believe and just show you how to fix it which is really cool. He does a great job. I'm glad he came on board. And we do have Don with us now by the way. Very good. And it is of course a particular day. Let's bring Don up there. Don, what is the date today, sir? Well, we have established that is the eighth day of January 2014. A wonderful day I might add. But magazine well with the magazine, kind of like that. Touch that slide release and oh man, I got one in the chamber now. And just because nobody's busting down the door, I think I'll drop that mag back into my hand and I'm gonna put another bullet on the cartridge back into the top of the clip. some column magazines and now the magazine is going to go back to the magazine well we can tell everybody this weapons once they've a permit or is secure and you know there's plenty more where that came from who rocks That means we can offer equal opportunity course of force for everybody out there. Again, we've got Spike, if you want to stick around, you can. That'd be great. I want to remind everybody again, Spike stepped in here today during the intermediate, there was a little miscommunication in talking to Ed here today. Plus, we've had friends that have been stopping by, and so we spent some time with them. I would remind everybody again guys, Spike has been doing his part. If you can, everybody chip in and help him and Indian Freedom Talk Radio, especially where we've got this window of activity. And if everybody does a little bit, it makes a big difference. If you can do a little more, better still. We appreciate the help from that direction. So again, Spike, give all your information out and repeat it twice with regard to numbers and sites. Go ahead. And Joe from the Carolinas has put out a donation challenge. If you donate $10 a month like he has done, he will send you a free packet of seeds. And you can email him at Joe from the Carolinas. That's Joe from the Carolinas at gmail.com. And I put a copy of the receipt in there showing that you did it. And your address, and he will send you a free packet of seeds for your garden next year. That's a good deal. Get a free pack of seeds. Anyway, you can do that. One other thing I wanted to throw out there because I didn't get a chance to do it at the end of the last hour. I've been doing this all afternoon. Jack McLams is in bad shape. If you'd like to send him some condolences or tell him to get well or whatever you'd like to write him a letter or what have you, you can send it to Jack McLamb. at 115 Patrick Henry Court, Kamiye, Idaho, 82536. Once again, that's Jack McLamb, 115 Patrick Henry Court, Kamiye, Idaho, 82536. And I'm sure he would love to hear from you. very good we appreciate that again senator perso jack mcclam has been in the fight uh... for many years body people were brought into the patriot movement in many cases because you had a chance to hear jack mcclam speak uh... way back in the early eighties or in the uh... in the late eighties or early nineties and of course uh... he is sent tried to deliver the message especially get out send it out to uh... people out there who are uniform want to be peace officers or those who haven't understood because of never got the message about being peace officers. If you don't recognize the name, you might recognize a book called Vampire Killers. And Vampire Killer 2000 and the update that he did, both are available. That is another way to support and to keep alive the work that he's done. It is a good primer to give to other people and get them motivated to understand what... out there guys and what their mission should be as opposed to the reinterpretation by the Soviets that we have in the system. So again, take the time. Jack has been doing his program up until recently. He's had some difficulty before he went into the hospital. He's been in intensive care. Understanding went in today or in the last 24 to 48 hours. So, he's in the hospital, family's there with him. We need to be there with both he and his family and support them in whatever way we can, guys. So, do our part there, too. Many hands. There's a whole bunch of people out there listening. You have, in the past, helped Jack McLamb in different ways. He's helped a lot of you. Again, he's been a teacher and he has been a voice in the patient movement for a long time. So, we're going to have to pick up the weight and help out a little bit here if we can. job going to go ahead spike anything else please jump in there now that was all for me i i people are probably tired of listening to me talk they want to hear about weapons it's weapons wednesday thank you well i appreciate that very really do thank you uh... because again we got everything to everything all the bases were taken care of that's how it's supposed to work and short notice i appreciate the picking up the the uh... ball their force i enjoyed doing that's why i'm here and uh... not only for the republic and the other people out there but I like doing this. This is what I like to do. And so when I get the chance, I don't mind doing it. It's an honor for me to be able to sit in this chair and do this and help out everybody the way that I do. And especially, you know, you got folks like, well, there's a lot of people out there that can't listen right away, so they have to listen on the archives. So that comes in real handy for them, too. And that's what got me to doing this was the archives because nobody was putting them up. Except for WTPRN and they were only getting certain hours so I was catching the other end and putting the other half up and just being here and learning is Man, it's been a hell of a ride. I'll tell you that And I put a lot of that to work this weekend with all the snow I was helping other people and well when we had all our stuff dug out as soon as the snow stopped We had all our stuff dug out and still had some digging to do the next morning because of the blowing that started up. But everybody's like, wow, you guys are like Boy Scouts. You got everything all cleared off. And me and my girlfriend both said, no, we're militia. Very good. They went, huh? Well, we appreciate it, sir. Thank you. You're very welcome. And guys, for everybody out there, do your part if you could. Pitch in. Please help Spike. This will help to take a little weight off. the issues of the moment. We have the tools in place to do just exactly that. You guys have to decide what you can see in your heart to step in and to lift up a fellow patriot when the time comes. In whatever way we need to, depending upon the environment and situation. Before we go any farther, I'll tell you what, Don, your number for night vision, you're going to be available in about 45 minutes or so. Not right away, but about 45 minutes. So we're going to touch on a few things night vision-wise or overlap with it. Some of the things I want to touch on are covered tonight. So go ahead, how come we get ahold of you and what do you have? Well, we've got gun sights and goggles that first generation gun sight, weight capable. Manufacturers so confident in that you guys, they warranty it against recoil. Failure for two years. It's not going to come apart because it's on your M1 or your AR10. I'll put that right in your mailbox for $429. We can go to a second generation device that is recoil capable in the same category. There's another way to put it. It'll live on top of your M1, your FN FAL. Hey, that right in your mailbox, $1,305. The biggest step up in performance and obviously a step up in price there is first to second generation. So I kind of qualify that a little bit because well there's a difference between $429 and $1305 I understand. But if you're looking for a second generation gunsight that's a tremendous weight capable. There's not a whole lot of people out there that are going to tell you yeah put that on your M1, warranty it for two years. If you want to talk about that or if you want to talk about thermal, I've got a piece of thermal fit in your, it's a viewer, fit in your pocket, your mailbox for under $2,000. That's a FLIR part, you know, right from the FLIR company. We could talk about goggles or gun sights, green screens are thermal and that gets back over to the standards, so you know, we don't need to dwell on it too much because apparently we're going to, you know, talk along that subject for a little while, but my number is 231. 796-8458. Again, 231-796-8458. Thank you, Mark. I have a question, Doc. What you got? This is Mike. I want to know, have you tried any of these devices out in the blistering cold like we had? Oh, you eat up batteries and you have to have a breath discipline. Batteries go quicker in the cold and if you fog up a lens, It's just like in the daytime with a piece of a day, a scope. If you breathe on the lens in the cold, you might even frost it so that you have to practice that breath discipline. Try not to breathe in that direction. I was wondering because I know my snow blower, it never acted the way that it did. I have a little tiny one that somebody gave me for free. So we burnt that thing out just blowing everything out. It started acting weird when it got really cold. I didn't know if maybe I'd done something to it. The same thing with the night vision. I didn't know how those would function in the extreme cold like that. I don't believe there's any moving parts or anything like that that could freeze up, but if the electronics maybe... started acting funny, but I they'll give you temperature parameters like 120 above to 40 below Okay, you know you ask that what about that 40 below, and I think that 40 below falls into one of the bigger parameters Okay, that's all I had. That was a question that jumped into my head there when you were talking. Wow, I wonder how these things would work at 40 Below. Again, you're going to chew up a battery. Your batteries are going to get about two-thirds of the life. You're going to knock off at least a third of your battery life. We've addressed this before, the breath discipline thing, both for daylight in the cold and night vision in the cold. Garves, you guys. scarves and it keeps your breath from rolling out onto the lens and it keeps it right there but it also builds up that moisture right at your nose and mouth doesn't it? So you know there's advantages and disadvantages. I want this, I have to trade off that. See? So you know you can find different ways to do that by almost like masking and if you're looking at ways to divert your breath and stay at daylight or night vision, good long time with a worry about man I got to move now. We talk about keeping motion to a minimum. We talk about what it is that catches your eye. Motion is one of the first things that catches your eye. Shape and color are the next determiners. What is the shape or how do I have to look at that to make out what shape it is if I'm only seeing portions thereof and then color. When we're looking at a green screen, thermal not thermal, we're looking at starlight, we're looking at a green and white television. That takes a whole lot of color determination right out of the picture. No pun intended, right out of the picture. Now you're looking at motion and you're looking at shape. If you're looking across the field and someone's looking back at you and neither knows the other is there, first one to blink, well move. You can blink and not be seen, but I do that in jest. first one to have to wipe off there might be the one that's first shot at. Discipline you guys even to your breath in the cold and where you want it to be. You can put so many people in a car and that the moisture from the dehumidifier system that when you're running your defrost system in a modern car and it has air conditioning, you're running your air conditioning too. So that qualifies that dehumidifier system can even be overwhelmed with enough people in a small space. What you got Spike? Oh that's one of those. No go ahead Spike go ahead. That's all I had. I just that question popped into my head and it's something I never thought of before until just this last couple of minutes, you know, and then I man, you know being outside and plus I ride a bike every day or scooter every day with a helmet on and once this cold out You pull up to a stoplight, you definitely have to practice that breathing discipline or you can't see anything, Don. Right, right. I saw someone else today on a Vespa or something riding down the road and the road covered with that, you know, movement, but he was out on his, on a 45 mile an hour road today. Yikes, that's scary. I know because it's not bad when it's fresh snow, but when it's like what you were talking about, you gotta kinda put both feet down and just wait for it to go, because you know it's going to. Oh yeah. And I catch myself like that all the time, because I ride with my feet down when it's like that. And I've had cops come around and look at me all weird, like, why is that guy riding with his feet down until I hit a rut? and the bike starts flipping sideways and they go, oh that's why. He's skiing, he ain't riding it. Yeah, it's just plugging him along, yeah. Right, that's how I got to work last year when we had that big snow. I just put both feet down, give her hell and go for it. And when I get stuck, well you know that the moped isn't very heavy so the snow lifts it up off the ground real easy. And you get to a point where you got so much snow underneath the moped it's not going anywhere then you gotta kinda drag it to another spot. But it gets you where you gotta go. That's all I had. That and a bit of determination. Yes. Now one of the things you brought up to think about night vision during winter operations, a couple of things we want to talk about here real quick. Remember, first of all, we also have to protect the night vision device from fogging, etc. When we're using the night vision devices, typically there are eye cups and there are protective shields available. And these should be in place, especially in a combat situation, because of a number of different things that can transpire, not the least of which is illumination around the area of the scope. Weather conditions, again, blocking and protecting to a degree the shield itself does eliminate some of the other issues that can develop that are unique to cold weather environments, correct? Well, again, if it need be, if you're hit with, like, a blanket of snow, so to speak. If it's hard snowing and all of a sudden you need to see because, well, motion is detected, but you're looking through a lens in the immediate action needed, you can take that lens cover off and you have fresh lenses underneath. Now that's operating down to the bones. There's nothing after that other than we're going to have to wipe the snow off of the lenses. But wiping snow, basically, water off your lenses is a lot better than a lot of people can attest to wiping dust, also known as sand, off of your lenses. So we can go to, you know, sometimes we ask you to compare an inch to a mile. The problem with snow and, you know, being around people is, you know, we heat it up, we cool it down. You can get a little bit in there and breathe on it and freeze it into a hunk of ice. This goes back over to discipline. But again, the dust covers can be used in an emergency to just strip them off and you can see clearly again if needed in the heat of the moment or by the action at the front. So that's a thought line for wintertime mark as far as your shields. It would be easier if you can just wipe off your... Now you're not going to wipe off plastic a number of times. and get away with it. Eventually it's going to be so disturbed, destructive. A-brazed. Yeah. You're going to abrase it progressively and create fogging in and of itself just of the material if you're not careful. Yep. So again, it might be if need be just hey, they come off the device you don't even have time to put them in your pocket. But you need to be clearly right now. You know that goes back over to what did we say at the front of I want to do this so I have to trade that or I'm going to trade this so I can do that. You give something here to gain something there. We try to gain and keep. That's a basic philosophy. We gain ground, we hold ground. We gain materials, we keep materials. We expend as little as possible to get as much done as possible. It seems like a contradiction, but it's a way of life. It can be. Going back over, you know, when we start looking at what we wear in the winter time, think about a hockey, you know, a hockey mask. But don't, you don't need a whole face. You just need something to divert your breath to set away from the scarf. If you're going to wrap, if you're going to have the bella clava, whatever, that's going to basically keep the, you know, the breath from moving hard. It's going to, what one might call, diffuse the stream. You know, spread it out. But if you divert it back and down one way or another, and this goes back over to, well, it would be best straight down because, are you certain you're going to be a left-handed shooter today? I did that on purpose. Are you certain you're going to be a right-handed shooter today? Are you certain? So instead of, you know, building something in like, you know, the gas mask on the left or the gas mask on the right, well, what do they call it? The M17 gas mask. It's... gunner neutral isn't as a matter of fact one thing i would point out on unlike most of the other masks and i would say this about the m seventeen with them you know beyond a doubt guys there are more alter alternate seasonal technologies that can be attached to the m seventeen than any other mask there were entire winterization kits setup for the m seventeen that are i if they are available assert you know you know words if they're available for the present masks They're so few and far between, they're probably stuck in a warehouse, they probably bought 40 million of them, we'll never see them, the Army will never see them until they come out of a surplus to be thrown away when government sells them at govliquidation.com. Or these are rare now. Yeah, and whereas on the other hand, the M17 overcaps, there's actually a winterization kit that has a couple of canvas outserts that go over the intakes to prevent frosting. Yup. There are also covers that go over the exhaust to prevent frosting, which is a real problem in extreme cold weather, guys. You've got moisture in the air. That's just a flapper valve. Yeah. And what happens is to protect that. In fact, right here in Michigan, we have two sources that have two warehouses full of the M17 spare hoods, cold weather winter hoods, the overcaps, over-outserts for the lenses. which again because of cold weather one of the tricks is to use windshield protectant the out certs on the M17s were glass the lenses are glass now they're a very resilient safety glass guys they won't just explode and shatter very easily they do take a lot of impact they're a very well made mask The outserts, though, can be treated with the same material used to prevent water buildup, the beading material that's used on windshields and aircraft. It's sold over the counter, you can buy it at auto stores, you can even buy it at most box stores, most general department stores. You treat the outserts, not the inserts, the outserts. A little tip there. Rain-X, like for automotive, is great for glass. If you put it on your plastic windshield for your Harley-Davidson, you're going to be moaning and groaning, because in a moment you won't see through the windshield. There is a Rain-X version. It's not Rain-X, I don't think it's called, but there are products that do the same on plastic windshields. So I can't, I can't, it slips me now. Right, for polymer surfaces, it's actually designed for Lexan and other plastics. Lexan being the ballistic armored glass that most everybody sees and a lot of your shields are actually made with Lexan too. So which is again the one thing about it does require special care because you can just like we're talking about with other plastics you can fog surfaces if you keep rubbing at it long enough and you've probably seen this if you've been to a bank you know people were told clean those windows well they did and you've got spots where it's like, what the heck is wrong? It's like it's foggy right there. Well that's because somebody cleaned it real good. Over and over and over. They might have even used an abrasive on it. Yeah, you don't know what material they used and whatever they were told to do they did because somebody didn't check the care and wear thing. You know, instructions and so the rest is history. Now another thing real quick, we've talked about this and again for some of our listeners, I got another request, some people didn't hear the program. 22s, pretty much all of these 22s that are AR-15 lookalikes or that have Picatinny rails on the roof should handle without any problem a night vision scope, correct? Oh, the first generation device or the second, even the third generation device, no problem on top of a 22. Bolt action, semi-auto, no problem. So for everybody out there, you're looking at a situation where you have AAR-15 lookalike. We've been talking about building these. You take the from there's four or five different brands. They're complete AAR-15 uppers and 22. Most everyone down that I've seen is being built with an A3 type flat top. Which means they all have the Picatinny rails on them ready to go. So they'll take the night vision device. Another thing, even with the bolt guns, it's something I missed here, but I just got Centerfire Systems latest catalog. And it slipped my mind because I saw a glimpse of it. I didn't really go through their inventory. But in the catalog, Don, they're offering a short stroke Mauser action, guys, in 7.62x39, in .223, and of course in the Hornet caliber. So in other words, the first two are the most critical. These are a short stroke bolt action Mauser rifle. They're offered with mounts on the roof so you can put pretty much anything you want. So for tack driving, intermediate or short range sniper use or night security use, these would be a good choice. Minimal recoil, common for ammunition. Now the only thing, they're not offering it in 545 or I'd really be excited about that because Back when East Germany fell, there were a bunch of Steyr bolt guns like this. They were made on the west side of the wire for East Germany. These guns were bought to shoot people trying to get across the wire. Now, they were short stroke, very, very short stroke, 5.45x39. They were the last bolt guns that were adopted by the East Germans before they rejoined with Germany, with West Germany. They came with a scope. There were about, I think, 500 in the initial lot that came in. They were scarfed up immediately because they were under a couple hundred dollars apiece. Now, this was back when ammunition wasn't available. They were like, what do you want that for? I said, are you crazy? There's piles of surplus. Five, four, five is going to get in here. Well, a lot of people didn't listen, but the people that did grab them, you'll notice these have never come up for sale. You've probably never seen one. Why? Because whoever got them, they're keeping them. They like them a lot. Oh yeah, these are beautiful. There's very little motion and again, it's in a common caliber that's readily available and if they were listening back when all you guys bought those AK-74 so cheap, cheap, cheap and the ammunition member was only a nickel around and then it went to seven cents around and it went to nine cents around then it went up to even now at twice that it's still cheaper than most the cartridges out there. But the 7.62x39 Mauser, they're at CenterFireSystems.com. They're in the catalog. Now, they're $429 a piece. Now, that sounds steep, except take a look at the average price for pretty much any bolt gun out there that's center fire. And in this case, I'd go with a standard stock. I'd lighten it. They make it with a Mann-Wincher type, long, full-length barrel stock, custom wood, Euro grip type. Don't go that way. It's not necessary. Plus, typically, that particular pattern is in the heavier calibers. But for $430, the simplest gun with the longest barrel, 7.62x39 and or .223, both of those good calibers, flat top roof available, so Don's night vision would slap right on that. And both those calibers being light recoil, Don should not give any trouble to that night vision device, correct? No problem. Okay, that's what I was again, think if they're available, this is a solution. The other cool thing is, again, buckets of ammo. I wouldn't buy any hollow point, although unlike the gas guns, one nice thing about that five-shot internal magazine, I don't think that would have a problem with the Russian hollow point or the Russian soft point military stuff that's coming out. Don't buy a thousand of it. Buy a small box and see if the gun will cycle it. See how it prints, yeah, and see how it works with the action. If it gives you any problem, switch back to ball. The big advantage here is ball ammo and being able to consistently put rounds on target downrange with no action malfunction. But we're talking about a bolt gun. And I believe even bolt guns might not cycle hollow point. It doesn't have to be a semi-auto to get that per turbine. Because there's just enough flat, it doesn't seem like a flat surface, but what they've done is nipped off the end of the bullet. and what you have now is a flat surface that all it takes is a part of that to snag on the feed ramp. and that's all she wrote. You'll either A, you'll get a stove pipe or what will happen... You'll be making that bullet shorter, pushing on that bolt. Yeah, you'll jam it real hard because you're very excited and you figured well it should just feed so you'll push that bullet down into the case and it may also jam if you got enough energy. Jam the bullet in, ram the lip of the case onto the edge of the feed ramp and you got yourself something stuck a little bit. Now it doesn't mean you won't be able to get it out because I'm sure if you're just as violent with extraction You'll probably pull it away from that feed ramp and un-gouge it and it'll eject it. But to prevent that, if your weapon can't handle that soft, forgive me, the hollow point load that they've made for the AK, then you can switch back either to, well, or experiment with the soft point, because that does have a filler, so you've got the comes to aspire. But my personal preference for most all of the work done is ball, if it's a military round. It works first time every time. Most all these weapons are designed to handle it and there's no guessing. And if you have to hand that weapon, no matter what it is, over to somebody rather than taking any chance with that weapon going offline because the person is not fully familiar with it or doesn't know the immediate action, the best way to eliminate most any malfunction is to ensure the ammunition is consistent. Ball ammunition is. It's the least likely to malfunction under any circumstances, so it's your first best choice, especially when you're handing weapons out. Now, just because you bought that hollow point or soft point round doesn't mean you can't use it. You can top that off. If you're shooting it yourself, I top it off with one of those and the rest is ball ammo and continually use it up. There you go. So it works just fine. There's another one. And again, top off the weapon that way. So you got five in the tube, or five in the magazine reserve, one in the tube that's the hollow point you're set. Another thing, and this is where we have an odd question, but it's not that odd. There's a bunch of AR-15 pistols, and there's also a bunch of AK pistols that are out there. Now this gets back to the same problem we were dealing with before. Even though it is a light rifle base, uh... how could we possibly use that effectively with night vision well when you start to it hold something away like that you know years ago one of my first got in tonight vision this was back in ninety five you guys have been that long uh... the company just came out with uh... pistol guns it was a very fine p sit all tremendous hold of recoil, you know, would they say you could put it on top of a shotgun, your .44 Ruger, you know, your automag and all of those things. Well, when you hold a pistol at arm's length and a big pistol, you know, two hands at arm's length, you need an awful long boot to keep that wash from lighting up your head, your shoulders. It had almost two inches of screen mark so that you had a good amount of visibility at arm's length instead of holding the device right up to shouldering the weapon and bringing your eye to the boot, the rubber cup on the end of the sight. Now that boot is there for a reason you guys. It helps to end if you study and practice a little bit, it can conceal almost all of the light that comes out of the night vision device. You're looking at a little television screen and at night if it wasn't emitting any light you would not see it. But it is putting out light and if your eye isn't up to that, you're going to be observed with like a green light. You'll be, what is that green person way over there? Even to the naked eye. You guys, when you start moving the piece of night vision away from your face, We see this in a set up that the military operates now with PVS-14 mounted behind a tragicana, ACOG daylight, eyes open sight, a zero power sight, a dot sight. Even again, the problem with that is they don't bring their eye all ... and this is American military. They don't bring their eye all the way to the device so they still have that green light on their face. That's not advisable and I'm surprised that more people don't get whacked at night because of that. Now again, so for everybody out there who's always wondered, well I've seen all these sci-fi movies, well yeah, and usually they always have backlighting and street lighting, and you know, because obviously we're always going to be fighting in a well lit, Blade Runner type urban environment, right? So backlighting or wash lighting off the face really wouldn't be much of an issue, because, well they probably can see anyway. But then why are you using the night vision? Right. See, it works both ways. Well, I can see him perfectly fine. Oh, but I need the night vision to look cool. Well, in that instance, yeah, using night vision with, say, the long rifle or a marksman's rifle allows you to see, because of street illumination, better into darker areas. They may not be totally blacked out, but remember that that ambient light is going to offer a lot more collection capability, isn't it? Well to the to the and we've talked about this and this is addressed in the night vision video also demonstrated there quite well go ahead when we thank you mark when we start to talk about shadows and You know that people think shadows at night. Yeah, well When the moon is up you can see shadows at night with your own eyes But when you're using a piece of night vision, and there's anything three-dimensional on the battlefield You're probably going to see a shadow from it be it from the stars And then the shadow will be, if it's just from stars, the shadow will be pretty uniform around the device. If it's a car, the shadow will be mostly under the tank, the car, the whatever. But if there's moon on the horizon or quarter of the way up, half will cast a shadow that will stand away from whatever it is that's, what is that big word? Occluding the light to create that shadow. Now, if the moon is bright enough, and we've talked about this, and it doesn't have to be the moon, it can be a street light, your night vision device is going to focus, it is going to adjust itself to the brightest point in its field of view in order to protect itself and in order to protect your eye. Because almost every piece of night vision these days, imported or American, is going to have what is known as bright source protection. and bright source protection basically it is what it sounds like. If you expose the device to too much light it will shut itself off. Some of the later third generation will shut itself off and turn itself back on. You'll seemingly be looking at something like a Charlie Chaplin movie, seeing the frame and then nothing and then the frame and then nothing. But the device you will still be able to target that way. The device will still offer you that until it gets so bright that it says, I can't exist in this high level light. I'm going to shut myself off rather than burn myself out. Now that's bright source protection. Automatic brightness control invokes or rather involves the other end of the device. So it's not like Hollywood where a bunch of guys are moving through the room and they've all got PBS sevens on. It's a military, it was first available to the military. single focal lens and two eye lenses. So on one end it had two eyes, like a binocular, and on the other end it had a single front lens. You can still get this, the PVS2000, the PVS7, the PVS7B, the PVS5000. It's described by a number of different sources, sometimes by different nomenclature. But in one example, it might have been a movie, it might have been a commercial. A number of people are moving through a room and someone throws the switch on the wall and the lights come on and all these guys with this high-tech night vision moan, I'm blind. Well, PBS7 won't do that to you. Neither will any device that you get from me because it has automatic brightness control in many instances too. Some of the higher end devices might have manual brightness control, but it'll still have automatic brightness control to the extent that it won't just... put so much light through the device that you'll say, oh, I can't see anymore. Now, just so you think I'm not lying to you, you guys, if you're walking through the woods with a PVS 7 on and la-di-da, you're having a good old time and it's really dark out, you've got both eyes adjusted to that device. You've got both eyes adjusted to like looking at a television in a dark room. You take the device off, you're not going to see very far. Because your eyes are adjusted to a high light level. Even with the green screen, it's going to be a few moments or minutes depending on your basic physiology. How long your eye is going to take to adjust back to I can see in the dark. This goes over to the philosophy of using a monocular mounted off of the helmet or mounted off of headgear or simply handheld and bringing it continually up to the same eye, be it your left eye or your right eye, so that your other eye maintains its natural night vision. So that, well, even if I can see a little bit in the dark, it's better than being, you know, what one might call snow blind or purely, you know, blind as a bat. Because again, if you've been walking around with a 2i system, that PVS7, it's not like somebody turned on the lights on blind because a whole lot of light is moving through the device. It's amplifying so much light. That's not true. But if you're walking around in the dark and you turn that, you take that device off, your eyes aren't going to adjust immediately to the dark. So there is a more realistic, oh, I'm blind situation. leading over again to the advised use of a single tube if you're going to be walking. If you want to look exactly where your feet are as you place a foot or if you want to crawl along and see if you want to repair something, if you want to read the phone numbers in the phone book, goggles would be good, one power. You can do that with a PBS-7, read the phone numbers in the phone book. But you don't have the depth perception. Even though you are looking with two eyes, you only have a single tube. So if you wish to drive, fly, or walk, or run, unless you're running down some path that you know you're familiar with, I really wouldn't advise you to go running through the woods with a PVS-7. Running down a side street in Fallujah or the sidewalk if there's something kind of isn't so bad because it's kind of consistent ground. But if you're running through the woods with a single tube system, you're kind of, you are robbed of your depth perception. A two tube system will give you a great sense of depth perception almost like it is real, almost like you're using your own eyes. I have a two tube first generation system for under 600 bucks. Headgear, everything, two year warranty. It's under 600 bucks. I say that safely because it might be much closer to five on dollars. I say under 600 bucks in order. I'm safely saying I don't have the price immediately, but I know it's well under $600 for a two tube first generation system. If you want to go to a two tube second generation system, you guys were talking in the mid two, I'm pretty certain that's off the top of my head. If we're talking in a system like that, we can go to a system now and this was something that I'd like to think that I urged the company to build. There is a device out there on one side that has a green screen for one eye and for the other eye it is thermal. Your brain mixes these two images together rather well giving you the detail. Is that a rifle or is that a broomstick of the green screen? Giving you the detection is that alive? Is there heat coming from that? and when you combine both of those into one piece, that's a real hard piece to beat. Unfortunately, it's not a gun sight. It is a viewer. But we've talked about applications like this and particular people in the group, thermal, so that they might identify a target that the guy with the green screen is just looking at and puzzled about what it might be. And the thermal going back over even to a simple handheld device might be the solution or rather, yeah, solution is an answer to a question, isn't it? Might be the solution to that problem. What is that? The answer. We're getting close to the top here. We might have another question, but before we go there, hey, my number is 231-796-8458. If you want to talk about goggles or gun sights, green screens or thermal, 231-796-58. Thank you, Mark. And one of the reasons again a lot of people have been asking, we're looking at, we've answered most of the questions really I think that have come about winter cold weather operations with Night Vision. That is addressed in the two disc set that is available here. You can go to Liberty Tree Radio to the donate key, scroll down, we have the Night Vision videos offered there. Take the time, check them out. And you can order them through our PayPal and through the donate key there. The big thing to remember here again guys is it ain't just the razor, it's the blades. One thing was mentioned was batteries. And I don't care if it's night vision or if it's your flashlights or whatever. We just went through and we're still in parts of the country are in sub-zero range weather, but it's winter. Now we've warned everybody about this before, but we'll do it again. Spare batteries, spare batteries. And by the way, did you pick up more spare batteries? The reason is... And the thing is that remember you're wearing layers of clothing you typically have a battle blouse you'll be wearing a field jacket, Arctic parka, whatever cold weather gear gives you a second layer of pockets on the outside. Well your inner pockets, those two top blouse pockets or the lower pockets are where you can add and separate the batteries so that you have them dispersed. You can have a eight pack, I mean even if all you could do is go to the dollar store and pick up the Sylvania because those are the throwaway batteries of this age. they're the the they got a name brand on the recognize if you're older but silvania used to be an american company now it's pretty much all china sport Those batteries are typically what you see in the dollar store, dollar a pack, they'll work, but you know their life's going to be shorter. Another thing you've got to be cautious of with the cheaper batteries, obviously, or any battery that's an alkali type, is the possibility of the containment device compromising. First thing, yes. We don't want that to happen either inside our nice piece of equipment, so we've got to keep an eye on use and time. operational time with the batteries in the equipment. I don't care what it is but night vision devices especially we need to pamper them. So, this is where getting into rechargeable batteries is a really good idea or spending better money on a deeper charge standard battery. There are a lot of nicer quality batteries out there for electronic optical devices, not just for night vision, but for camera equipment. That's where a lot of these batteries came from that were built to support, or you should say they adopted to support a lot of the night vision technology that you now own. I'm sorry to interrupt you Mark. Right ahead jump in there. Thermal chews up batteries just right off the get. Some pieces of thermal you'll see a list of for a 3 volt battery or even two 3 volt batteries four or eight hours. Now that's a night time isn't it? In the summertime eight hours is overnight. If you're going to put a rechargeable battery in that spend the extra money and spend the extra money for the charger So that you get, as an example, a 1.5 volt rechargeable battery is generally 1.3 volts. Did you know that? It's not 1.5 volts. That might not last through the night. So spend the extra money. You can get a 1.5 volt, 1.5 volt. Not to be redundant, I'm trying to be specific. Rechargeable battery. Or a real true 3 volt rechargeable battery. It'll probably get you that 4. or eight hours rather than two and three quarters or three hours and seven minutes. Sometimes that little bit more gives you a whole lot more. 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