January 2, 2014
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1h 8m
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2014
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Summary
Mark Koernke and callers discussed NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) defense preparedness, focusing on radiological contamination response, medical treatment of contaminated casualties, and wound care in mass casualty scenarios. The show covered iodine supplementation for thyroid protection, gas mask and filtration system importance, decontamination procedures, graves registration protocols, and field medical techniques including debridement, wound irrigation, and pain management. Callers contributed expertise on thyroid dysfunction symptoms, radiological versus biological threats, and specific medical supplies like colloidal silver, peroxide, and clove oil for field use.
- nbc defense
- radiological contamination
- gas masks
- iodine supplementation
- thyroid protection
- mass casualty
- wound debridement
- graves registration
- colloidal silver
- field medicine
- preparedness
- decontamination
- michigan
- norovirus
- chemical biological threat
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Live 365. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number and you've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to torture freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the let's run right up to full volume here because Mark will be with us in a moment or a minute. You know a moment. That's like three of those in a minute. So Give us a moment or two or maybe even a minute or multiples thereof, but Mark will be right here you guys. How about that Liberty Tree radio and that pbn.4mg.com or that live 365 or many of how about channel 28 or 29 on your CB? The AM or FM rebroadcasters in your neck of the woods, you know your side of the island, the creek, the swamp, the other side of the river, or just the other side of the block. Hats off to those guys. I'm calling the micro broadcasters. I call you guys the short rangers because it gives you more of a militant bent. It sounds so... respect your way. I call you the short rangers rather than to call you the micro broadcasters. So again hats off to you guys, not that I wear a hat very much, but if I wore one I'd tip it. to you fellows and women alike. But again, filling some space here. You might be listening, as mentioned, on CB. And that needs to be a CB thing across the nation to the best of our ability. In the morning, we talk about helping people travel across the nation or building a net that might do other things across the nation. As example, almost hand to hand across the nation. No need for a pony. Turn around and hand it to that guy. He'll turn around and hand it to that guy. We aren't there yet, but it's something to try to strive for. That in mind, the same thought could be worked with CB radios across the major interstates on the highway. Granted, you might get out there into the desert and there's not a broadcaster for a good long ways, so you might be interrupted in listening to that CB, but that's something that needs to be built up, a CB network across the nation. It's a lot cheaper than you can arrive there sooner. trying to build up a range AM or FM station. You just plug this in, plug that in, open a window, put the antenna on the roof, and the report or whatever might be broadcast by Liberty Tree Radio at that time. Now I know we're mixing apples and oranges here because we're talking about, well, how are you listening and how are you going to bring the signal? But there are different solutions. And again, a CB can be a base station too, can't it? Mind, no response. Oh, we do have Joe from the Carolinas with a ping. Okay, how you doing, Joe? Hey, you've been... Thank you, sir. I know we're diligently waiting for fated breath for Mark to come on. I had a couple things to throw out there for folks, you know, based in the last couple hours of the afternoon intelligence report, if you wouldn't mind. Oh, hey, it's open forum. Thank you, sir. Mark and George, in the first and I believe into the second hour of the afternoon Intel report, were talking about iodine. From a medical standpoint, making sure that you have the proper things prepared as far as iodine is concerned tablets or even the solution that Mark was talking about. You know iodine can also be used to purify water but from a medical standpoint you know guys you're out there listening you may be prepared with iodine however the zombies may not and It's very important that if you're in your LPOP or another position that you learn to recognize what I call the behavioral signs of thyroid problems because iodine, when you take it for any kind of radiological issues, will actually block the thyroid's ability to absorb that. The thyroid is a gland in your neck area. If somebody has an overactive or underactive thyroid as a result of any kind of disease which could be also from a radiological source, we need to recognize the behavioral signs. I want to tell folks, if people out there, the zombies have hyperthyroidism, You'll see them and you'll see that these people, they'll be very nervous, they'll be very restless, they'll have a lot of anxiety and they will be very irritable. On the other hand, if somebody has an underactive thyroid, they call that hypothyroidism. You know these doctors, they come up with all these long names for things. Those people might have mild to severe fatigue. as well as depression. So these people might be moving very slowly. They may not want to take offers for food trade. They may not have any desire to do anything. We also need to be aware of these symptoms for folks in our squads or in our units because these are symptoms we got to be aware of and our medical corps is certainly aware of these things. It's also important for all of us to kind of be knowledgeable about these sorts of issues. So if somebody doesn't have iodine, that thyroid is going to suck up that radiation real fast and it may result in some of these symptoms. So we want to be aware of what this looks like behaviorally in folks that have not prepared, that have not been listening to the Intel report marked and done every single day. Can I get a drop? We could even review that. The other point to wash into this, no pun intended, would be internal exposure, ingesting like water, exposed, food exposed, or breathing. Now we've beat the big, big drum about gas masks. We've talked about chem boots and we've talked about washing. Would you like to elaborate? This is very important, what Don is bringing up, because the issue here is that if you are not protected and you are using a contaminated source to wash yourself from any of the fallout, then you are actually increasing your exposure. So it's very important to be on the lookout for expedient measures one the move in order to decontaminate yourself and you want to look for sources like for example the water that's stored in pipes and houses you know that may not be contaminated as compared to stream water or river water that would so I think it's important that you know if we don't have Geiger counters and things like that to be aware of you know we need to use our heads and think clearly on the battlefield when we're out there in the field Otherwise, you may end up, while you're trying to decontaminate yourself, you may end up exposing yourself to more. And that is a problem. And if you do not have a gas mask, and you breathe in radioactive particles, those particles will stick in your lungs, and you will not be able to get rid of them. I'm going to They used to have the patient suck in the barium and inhale it and they would take an x-ray scan of their lungs so they'd be able to see all of the bronchi of the lungs sort of treed out on that x-ray. The only reason they did that is because that barium was a radioactive substance. not having a gas mask, not having, Don, I know you've mentioned setting up a room filtration system on past hours. If you do not have that in place, what's going to happen is that these radioactive particles that you may not even be able to see will be inhaled and will stick in your lungs. And the first symptom where you know that somebody in your squad or family or whatever has a problem is going to be shortness of breath and fatigue. There may be some erratic heartbeats that go along with that. Once somebody gets to the point where they're actually coughing blood, It is far too late to deal with the casualty in what we call a pain reducing way. We need to treat that casualty through surgery at that point. We may need to do a lobectomy or a wedge resection or something like that in the lungs. This is a very serious thing. When Mark and Don are talking about gas masks and setting up a room or a a movable platform that will filter out these particles. They're not just Whistlin Dixie through a straw hat, folks. These things have serious effects that are long-term and life-threatening. So I wanted to put that out there, and I appreciate Don you asking that question, because even in modern medicine, with all the technologies that we have now, We still see these problems with folks that work in controlled environments where they actually have these means of protection and they're working around nuclear particles daily. We still see these problems. This is extremely important for folks who are getting ready for the war that's coming. You guys, please heed Mark and Don's warnings. Get yourself some gas masks and set up filtration systems because this is serious stuff. Most important here, guys, is what we're talking about. Any mask will do for radiological defense. The filtration system is taking out particulate that's in the air. It's fairly heavy, it's fairly large by comparison to most of what you're protecting against. So even the basic NBC filter works for exactly what it was intended to do. Any filters, that's why I tell everybody, never throw a filter out if it's been used. And people are going, well, I've been told that it won't deal with biological this or whatever. Well, the majority of what you're going to be experiencing, I would be more concerned about radiological than biological. simply because radiological is a lot handier, its delivery is very specific. If we look at the nebulous event of a biological attack, which doesn't mean it can't happen, surgically, for a military or for foreign power or for the nutcases in Washington, especially the psychofence we have right now, using these types of ordnance that are more specific. They're still going to be dirty in the long run, but by comparison, Their logic is that they can protect or defend themselves better from the lowest end, which is nuclear. Parallel with that is mid-chemical to low-chemical. And then after that, sky's the limit and worst case scenario. So of course, the more they dump in terms of nuclear, the more problems we have. The biological, again, it has no friends. This is the one thing that everybody does understand and is fearful of. Yeah, you could do something biological. But even if you think you have a response for it or a neutralizing agent or a countermeasure, the problem is even if you make it, things mutate and nothing they've ever built in biological stays in the can. Nor has, even when they've claimed that they've had vectors to control it, they've had sterile vectors or sterilized vectors. Always the vector, the carrying agent, typically insects, etc., haven't been. I don't know, lowest contractor, poor operation, LOH, loose operator headspace, whatever it is, in that category everybody is terrified because they know how unreliable the industry is. We are nuclear on the other hand, low yield, mid yield are stuff that we realistically can see being thrown back and forth by people who are manipulating or fighting for major control now. We have already seen variations of what can happen just with intentional or stupid mistakes with nuclear facilities. So it's a real situation that hasn't changed at all during any of the last 25 years. Like I said, I've laughed at these students who try to act like they're some kind of professor where, how did you feel when, you know, during the Cold War, you were all crazy and paranoid and now we're so much more enlightened. Oh, you mean you have your head stuck so far up your ass you can't see the light anymore, is that what you're saying? Because nothing has changed. nothing and nothing changed during that period except for the stupidity being spewed off the college campus think about it i mean the nuclear weapons didn't go anywhere uh... and they can claim that they shaved them down but does anybody believe either side on most of that that's another thing to remember how many times they tell us that for instance uh... something as simple as smallpox remember it was all gone from the planet except for a few places remember that We defeated it. We crushed smallpox, but it's still being held in reserve by somebody. Now, what does that tell you? See, even that, and again, the idea of bringing that Pandora's box out in some kind of modified form, nobody wants to see that kind of, shall we say, Hershey bar, you know, well, baby Ruth show up in the swimming pool. Or, as we've talked over time, people are told, we don't need the smallpox vaccine anymore, thus exposing a whole population or a whole world to it when it is brought out again. Right. So the big thing here, again, Simple nuclear biological chemical defense, NBC defense is a priority. Everybody can have something on the shelf for dollars, not for hundreds of dollars, and for the majority of what it is you're going to be facing in the way of a threat, it will pay for itself with the first free-long of air that you take that isn't contaminated. Oh, that's a good start right there. See, that just paid for itself. And that's how you need to look at it. Now again, we treat nuclear no different than we do chemical and biological with regard to disposal of filtering systems. We treat all of them as a hazardous material, and we follow containment procedures for isolating them. That's a rule across the board, and that's something that everybody goes, well, what are we going to do with it? We'll figure that out. We know what we can do. We'll do the best we can with what we've got. It's that simple. The idea is to be prepared for the issue. Again, remember, how would you know? This is something else. It's just like if you were to release a chemical agent into the population or a low-end, low-yield radiological device and you get some casualties, because of a lack of knowledge about radiological, many people when I talk to them think about radiological threat the same as biological. Oh, you're contaminated and he's contaminated and he'll all die from it because one person got it. No, this is radiation. Okay? It's not good to be around things irradiated, but there are ways to deal with that. Don't confuse that with a virus or something, you know, contagion of some kind. But you'd be amazed, and I can't stress enough, this is an example of our public school system and what it's done to the population's IQ. Because, again, yes, if we have contamination and we have biological contaminations, which by the way, phase one is nuclear. The only good thing about nuclear is it sterilizes a lot of things. But beyond the sterilization zone, guys, just imagine if you do have a lot of things dead and they're not buried, somebody doesn't need to launch a biological weapon in order for you to put a biological result. Problem, right? It would be a fluvia of dead mass, promoting whatever type of bacteria and whatever is dominant in the way of virulent carriers, virulent secondaries that might be in the environment. South Americans, Central America are notorious for this. It doesn't have to be the initial attack that gets you, but if stuff isn't put underground, the Pacific's the same way with all the different types of unique bacteria that are in the environment. Given a food source, they flourish. And then they're carried by the natural insects that feed off of the carrion insects and the carrion foul, which then move the stuff on. So another reason for having that gas mask. If you ever have a bad refrigerator, here's the best thing. If you ever had a freezer or a refrigerator that goes bad during the summer and you didn't know it, open that door for the first time. Well, if you had a gas mask. Yeah, that just goes...whoa! Especially if it's been a week and you didn't know it and it's been 100 degrees or 80 degrees or 90 degrees. Well, a gas mask changes the formula on that. Once you do that, you'll realize, man, that gas mask really works, doesn't it? If I may, go ahead jump in there, please guys by the time that you smell something It's already in your nasal cavity The reason why we smell things is because molecules from the source of that smell actually go into our nose and and go into the area and I want to remind all you guys that the sensation of smell is is the only sense that goes straight to the brain that is not filtered by any filtering mechanism other than the little nose hairs that we have in our nose. I know it's a disgusting subject, but just understand that by inhaling things through your nose, those molecules are already there. So even if you have a gas mask, I think it's also important if you find them in the field, make sure you grab those particulate respirators as well. Those N95, that's Nancy 95 particulate respirators because if you're dealing with casualties, whether they're friendlies or not, even putting something like that on, if you don't want to use the gas mask, that is going to help. There's a reason why when people are on infection precautions in a hospital, in modern hospitals now, it is required that anyone who enters that room of the infected person or the immunocompromised person must wear one of those fitted particulate respirator masks. and that is to prevent spreading any germs from the outside into that patient who's not able to deal with it. So make sure you get those little paper masks that you might see in your hardware stores or dollar stores or even medical supply places. They're very cheap, they're very inexpensive, but you know what? There's one virus that modern medicine has not yet come up with a cure for and that is the common cold. And the common cold can be a killer. Just remember that so be on the lookout for folks that are infected and you want to isolate those casualties in the same way and protect yourself from them. It's not that we're trying to be mean we're trying to reduce again and contain the problem and that means discipline. Despite you know all of the other you know naysaying or you know they were all gonna die anyway wrong. In fact let's put it this way walking dead Now, Jericho and Revolution are not your guidelines for how to fight a war or defend yourself. As long as you understand that, you'll be doing fine. Now, a percentage of what they do, there's always something they do right. But most of it is designed to, you know, confusion, lack of coordination, no discipline. And that has to change real quick people and there's no reason for it not to, not to. It can be done. But you have to have a plan in advance. And the basic rule is if you are going to be working with a lot of people, you set up a standard operating procedure for these actions. In fact, automatically, even when you're outfitting personnel, remember that you integrate the NBC defense processes into the training. It is second nature. It becomes automatic. You don't have to worry about having to reinforce it with new people, but that's with the job of the team leader or the NCO in charge or whoever it is that's going to be coordinating with people on the ground. When you supply, another thing to take into consideration is you are constantly scavenging for more. You are going to need more of everything. More is better. Logistics, the basic rule. More is better. Where material can be reused it will be reused where it can be recycled in some way from one area into another For instance as it is degraded the material may not be or the technology or something might not be useful in one area An example of this is containment vessels transport cans we call them transport cans you call them cargo boxes Guys these can be used as dump points for contaminant. What you do is have a contamination process you identify the containers. The containers then become acceptable ways to isolate and then to move the material. You try not to again waste other newer more sophisticated technology if at all possible but as material is denigrated through attrition, it's worn out, it's tired. Even the industry does this with nuclear waste. Oh my god nuclear waste they're so horrible. Well they actually use some pretty common sense routines here guys. They'll use equipment until it's at contamination level, then they move it into the contamination zones and use it for operations there until it stops functioning. This way they are either taking more equipment or spending more money on material and support that otherwise could be used from existing degrading technologies. Containment vessels, although they have specific guidelines for how sophisticated the radiological technology when it's stored, especially waste, In our case, the situation in Phase 1 is containment and mass, keeping the material together in one place so it's known, it's marked and identified clearly. That's another thing that's very important. The same is true with any other material support, no matter what it is. And I've talked about this over and over again. It's not just the stuff you're going to be using every day. But anything that might be a threat, even graves registration, bodies are a threat. Bodies need to be processed, people need to be taken care of. We're not a bunch of wargs to begin with, but we have to make sure that we take into consideration health and welfare for the survivors, the living. This means that a policy has to be established, that a system has to be put in place immediately. A Graves Registration Division has to be, or at people, at every level there has to be somebody involved with Graves Registration. For a lot of you people out there that are listening, both with casualty, accumulation and processing, people who are the living, and people who are dead for any number of reasons. We're going to have to have a system in place and you need to be thinking about this. Non-combatants can handle this. I highly recommend that, for instance, one of the things I've learned a long time ago, a kid out of her manpower, who do we have standing here? What have you done in the past? Individuals who have been, it sounds weird but it's true, people who have worked in meat shops or butcher shops can pretty well handle anything you're going to run into. Individuals who have been in the medical industry. Individuals who have been in emergency services. Now the problem is if they've been in medical, I'm not necessarily going to route them to graze registration. But if they're physically incapable of sustaining a normal work schedule, they can still probably help you enough, especially from the administrative end, to coordinate Graves' registration. This is to ensure that we can, if at all possible, identify the casualties, confirm and preserve any personal property or materials, and identify where the bodies are buried for future reference. This is especially critical because time is critical if you have casualties because of all the different types of threats we're dealing with, but it doesn't have to be nuclear, biological, or chemical. The human body contains all the waste products necessary to kill the rest of you. All by itself, without any additions, okay, just keep that in mind. One of the most horrific kind of injuries that you need to look forward to, and you have to expect, is when someone is hit by somebody else as debris, as shrapnel, because all of that material is biomass. It's biological mass. It contains all of the normal products and all of the waste products of the human body. One of the toughest types of injuries to survive without extensive medical support. and that's called cross-contamination. And that is absolutely the worst kind of injury to treat because if you have no idea what is in the host and who's been on the other side of that injury, you are unable to treat that. I mean, you have to do exploratory surgery to be able to figure out what systems are actually affected. And I gotta tell you guys, it's pretty hard to do exploratory surgery out in the field. Yeah, so step one is getting the individual identified as a casualty or type of casualty processing to the rear. And that gets into going not from graze registration, but also with medical support in depth. This is where moving the patient is especially critical and time is of the essence. Biological contaminations, where they're fragmentation or any type of point to point contamination like that, Those, you have a little bit of time but not much to work with because remember the material, the material that has been passed on, bone, etc., muscle cartilage, all of that of course is going to continue to break down. It is progressively going to break down into again, what will happen is the dominant bacterium that is still attached to that is going to consume what's available and then it's going to look for more food so to speak. Remember that it's also breaking down or damaging the immune system in the area where the initial contamination is. So that's another reason that as we see a progressive breakdown in the damaged area, we're going to see other end results. It'll be very easy to identify. Conventional fragmentation in shrapnel is relatively sterile, amazingly enough. It's like my dad's probably the best example. When he was kamikaze in World War II, they didn't bother taking all the metal out of him. They focused on putting the body parts back together that were sheared, shred, spindled and mutilated, but for the next, what, 60 years, going on 70, he's been picking Japanese bomber out of his flesh every year, sometimes every second or third day for all the rest of his life. It goes in red hot, white hot actually, and it's encapsulated with a flesh type material that actually is then trying to push it to the outside surface of your body. Eventually, it will get there if it's given enough time, if you live long enough. On the other hand, the other effluvial material or detritus, also organic material from the battlefield itself, that is going to cause a very different kind of wound. It's going to be very apparent within a very short period of time, which is another reason for, again, being able to deal with all the other medical support issues for debridement, evacuation of material, the wound channel, etc. That all can be done And in fact here's the thing again for all you people who are non-combatants, I'm too old to fight, yeah but you ain't too old to stand there and work with a scalpel. Or a pillow pad. Yeah or it's exactly, oh yeah, oh yeah that's another one. Yeah, debridement is very painful. Guys, the general rule of thumb with those sorts of wounds is that if the wound or any material slash fluids from that wound is black, green, or yellow, black indicates that it's what we call necrotic or dead. That needs to be removed. If it's green, it is called gangrene. That needs to be removed. If it's yellow, that is called infection. That needs to be removed and treated. Just be aware that we're talking about these concepts for a reason. These injuries happen. They are common injuries that happen even if you are not in a battlefield. That's the other thing I'm going to point out. People are saying, well, maybe it's not going to be a war or maybe it's just going to be that civilization breaks down. Well, congratulations, guys. People still bust legs, break body parts, fall from things. So, what, we're going to forget about these basic things. These are things that in reality the average person can grasp and there's no reason for us to lose these ideas. We're going to be able to stone age in no time, only if you're incredibly stupid. I don't think we've got that thing. We actually have the thinkers, people, we can preserve the working knowledge, but we have to be thinking of this now. Back into NBC, going through to basic medical support. integrated, intelligent processes. And it's not that difficult. And again, remember, combat infantry isn't necessarily going to be dealing with that, but a lot of you, if you're going to be in charge, always notice everybody wants to be the officer in charge. Well, that doesn't mean standing there looking pretty. In fact, being in charge means you get to carry two or three extra backpacks. In other words, you're wearing several different hats. You will be doing more than one job. You are going to be staying awake when other people are able to rest. That's the bottom line. Because there's a dozen things that need to be done. Now, to alleviate the pressure on that person, other people can pick up some of those hats, not every one of them, but each person can do a little bit and take the load off of the people who are facing the greatest risk. So that they can focus on keeping their people alive so we don't have the casualties that we're worried about. Or at least can reduce the number. See, that's especially critical. Everybody out there listening, that's why you need to be a generalist, not a total specialist. It doesn't mean there aren't areas that can be areas of expertise. But we need to be, as I said in the two-hour block, we need to be immersed in the military sciences. I'm sorry, I'm on the subject of keeping wounds clean and I did hear the, what is that plastic Brillo pad call? Or the iodine pads which of course are designed with coarse and with fine scrubbing sides for a reason. Well, one might well imagine a good use for bleach. Now, when they do this, they also flood the area, don't they? Irrigating it. Yes, and that would generally be done with the saline solution in that plastic bag or sprayed on, but what would you think of perhaps colloidal silver as a substitute? There has been research done on colloidal silver and ionic silver in amputations. Again, modern medicine guys, colloidal and ionic silver used to protect the stump of amputations during the healing process. of sleeve on the stump after the person has had an amputation. Those people that have had colloidal or ionic silver within that stump protector along that stump have actually healed faster than people who have not. That silver is a commodity. I want to tell you, if you have anybody in your unit or squad or family that's medical and you have the ability to get any sort of liquid silver to impregnate wound bandages, That is going to be actually more valuable than diamonds when the time comes because we're not going to have antibiotic medications to be able to treat those things. So yes, silver, silver, silver and more silver. That's one of the reasons, Bob, both silver and bleach. Don mentioned bleach here earlier. If you read a lot of the accounts of World War I, the quote-unquote antiseptic smell that turned people's noses, Part of it is that three different types of bleaches were used. Silver was used, sulphur was used, and obviously the peroxides and the alcohols were available though. In each case they're limited, they're useful, but again they have to be limited. Even the bleaches of course in their higher spec, in their higher mixes had a tendency to pull material from the tissue. Even alcohol used topically kills. Yes. Exactly. The thing is that, as was pointed out, now this is something real quick. We're trying to save our fluid mixes, whatever it is we're using for cleaning, for final cleaning. The important is, something was brought up here a moment ago, a lighter mix and a certain amount of material. It could be saline, could be light bleach water, whatever it is you're going to do to initially irrigate and clean out the area. The reason is, remember there is no sense in putting, just as was pointed out here, the silver, into an area where you have detritus, you have debris tissue, you have dirt, you have gravel. This is one of the reasons that what needs to be in your debridement kit are several different types of soft scrub brushes. And picks. Yes, and toothbrushes. Doc Robinson, if he was here he'd tell you. He was a trauma surgeon, remember? That was one of the things he did, guys, out of Lansing, Michigan. They spent one or two hours just picking gravel and debris out of two pilots' faces. They crashed on Christmas Eve, went through the canopy of the aircraft when they crashed on the runway, and went the rest of the distance on the runway face down on the gravel. When they got to them, most of the people trying to pick them up couldn't pick them up for vomiting on site. They got them to the hospital. The nurses even told him, he said, what are we going to do with these guys? He said, be patient. It's all here. First of all, go grab some brushes. And the first thing they did is they spent something like an hour and a half to two hours picking gravel and sand and debris out of all of the wound channels. and which was the whole of their face. They had no skin on any part of their face that could be discerned. Well, it had all been peeled back because of the sphinctering effect. What he did is pull that skin. After cleaning and doing proper irrigation, they then pulled the tissue back to where it belonged and stitched it into place. And amazingly enough, they even had eyelids. I've seen the before and after pictures of that surgery. And the progressive work on these men to the point where their wives, and they came back every year to thank him. So it's not that it can't be done, it's having the working knowledge to understand. Now granted, that's major surgery. He spent eight hours in each patient. In fact, he spent eight hours in the first and then ended up going into surgery with the next man the same way. Now that's major surgery there, but I'm sorry, go ahead. How about hydrogen peroxide? That's pretty good stuff too. Peroxide, the thing you have to be careful of is remember there's food grade peroxide which is actually a higher concentrate which is good for storage. But then you need to know your dilution formula for bringing the Oh, high strength peroxide dissolves flesh. Thank you. As I say, you want to dilute it about 50-50 with distilled water. But I've had a lot of luck with infections being prevented with that stuff. Well, certainly. That's what I'm just saying. Peroxide. But here's the thing. Remember, we're dealing with many, many patients here. See, we've talked about this for years. What if you had a mass casualty situation? First of all, FEMA has done it dead in the water. They couldn't handle it. They'd be overwhelmed in a very short period of time. If people didn't start to step in, then more and more people would die. It's just that simple. But the first rule is, again, either creating distilled water or boiling water to sterilize it as in step one and then processing it over into holding containers and using that for initial irrigation. It might be mildly bleached. It could be mildly peroxide, but when we say mild we are talking about a very, very small amount. The purpose for that is to help to lift the material up out of the wound channel or away from the flesh and or away from organs, in some cases exposed. When I was a little child and first became aware of the definition of the word acid, I thought, well if you ever got any of that on you, you'd just disappear. But you guys think about high strength peroxide and think about dabbing it into a wound with Q-tips and in a very controlled way, boiling away infection and irrigating it at the same time to dilute and move. Now that's one way that it's not going to be as painful as a brush but it's going to move things in a controlled fashion. to clean after that because it will still be in the flush. Okay, example is one, we have to be thinking in advance because medical support personnel are going to be, you know, if they're not properly conditioned to a high casualty environment or a long-term battlefield situation, are going to be conditioned to using painkillers the way they traditionally have in a peacetime environment. Any and all painkillers should be prioritized for worst case patients and there's a scale down to topical injuries, etc. There are ways that we can reduce that, but on the other hand, remember there's a time factor. So something you brought up there, Tom, it's a matter of level of casualties, how many people we have to deal with. Quick debridement of surface areas with gravel, damaged material, broken material, stuff that's stuck in a wound that may be surfaced. Well, that's why you need to have things you can chew on. Not hard, by the way, either. Rolled leather is a good choice. There's plastic tongue depressors that can be taped together. That's an old trick. Wooden tongue depressors, which are soft wood, not oak. Eventually they're three or four pieces. Right. Sweet wood. You want something that can take the bite. because here's the other problem. Yeah, you know, well, we can bite the bullet, so to speak, without, but somebody biting their tongue, causing another blood injury is something you don't want. That pulls us psychologically. We're not great for the other patients in the area, so to speak. The other thing is we don't need more injuries, but also, dental injury is another issue. Oh yeah, you can crack a tooth biting down hard, and that's painful immediate. Doesn't take too long. It doesn't take too long to allow air to the nerve immediate. Now we have another person with another pain problem, don't we? And where is the clove oil when that dental injury happens? Do our medics have clove oil in their kits? And they'd better thank you. Good point. Thank you very much. And that is, well here's the thing again, see I got into this years ago because some idiot made some snagged comment where I talked about ibuprofen and acetaminophen and aspirin. Guys, have all of them on the shelf. You don't have to use them but you've got to remember something. Some people can't take either ibuprofen or acetaminophen. They can take aspirin. Some can take ibuprofen but there are people who can't take aspirin or acetaminophen. The reason for having the combination, we know what the problems are or the issues are, but here's the thing. Reducing pain in any form changes the, psychologically it changes the patient's response. This in and of itself, we need to stabilize the patient. They were looking at immediate issues. The other thing again is if everybody is carrying some, well then we can actually reduce some of the bodily injuries. It doesn't have to be being shot or being stabbed. Come on guys, today how many times you bop a knee or how many times you bend an ankle or how many times you just scuff yourself up. Basic body maintenance and basic body booboos are still going to be a part of everyday life. It's not like you turn the switch off and it's either high trauma or nothing. You see how that works? So for everybody listening out there, I will repeat this again. Every one of you. Most of what we are talking about can be in your basic support med kit. Clove oil, everybody should be carrying because it is not hard to pop a tooth or here is the thing. You have it but two other people didn't think about it. One guy is holding his face half the time because he thinks that tooth is driving through the top of his head. You've got to get him to where he can be helped. Well, to do that and also to get him to focus because, you know, dental injuries, the military learned this a long, long time ago and everybody knows it. Dental injuries can put a person down just as fast as a bullet can. In fact, maybe more so because the individual will be incoherent depending on what kind of pain and injury he's got. And so he becomes a walking casualty that requires a lot of extra maintenance and support. Well, certainly not someone who can shoot straight. Yeah, exactly. Well, he might be real PO'd and feel a lot of pain. He wants to inflict it on somebody else. That may be putting him up front. Why? He's pissed. Okay, good. That's a good idea. Hey, yeah. Okay, shoot that. It'll make you feel better. They've got the pain, so. Give them the pain, you know. The big thing here is again, the basic things we're talking about incorporate them into not just your medics kit, but in your personal kits. Cold oil can be accessed in smaller containers, colloidal silver or ionic silver ideally, can be put into bottles about the size of the small courtesy Listerine bottles and carried by every person and they should be. Drinkable alcohol, although isopropyl, of course, wood alcohol for foot and for body maintenance. and for crotch maintenance is a good thing. Remember guys, I know everybody said, well, I'll be a man, I'm a man, I'm gonna be tough and I'm not gonna clean here and I'm not gonna clean there. Well, in the long run, remember that jungle rot is not something we can necessarily treat as effectively because of shortages. Okay, so your basic maintenance is gonna have to be done as a policy. I know how tough everybody can be. I also know that I can smell you for 400 yards before I get to you if you've been out in the field long enough. Everybody starts smelling like a polecat, well it's not hard to find polecats, especially when there's a company of them. Know what I mean? They're over there. No, they're over there another 10 yards to the right. New definition to the phrase, spread out. Yeah. That just makes the upper vessels that much wider. And these are things that need to be taken into consideration with regard to operations. The peroxide, again, food grade is available. But, remember the way it's built? Food grade is going to be free of lead. Isn't that a basic truism? Yeah, and also again, it's a much higher concentrate. Food grade is also a much higher concentrate across the board, no matter what you find in your laboratory, which is pure. That's like 200 proof alcohol. It's purest of white lightning. Water content is just about zero. as far as the free water element goes. It's available in a number of different sources as laboratory support. That again, same problem. The higher the proof, it will suck everything else right out of the flesh. That's the only thing you have to be aware of. When you're looking at these higher concentrations, whatever the end result is, typically it's going to be a extreme. And so that's why containment is especially critical. The material that you're transporting this stuff in needs to be protected with a second layer, a barrier layer of some kind of device that holds it in tub form. If the container is compromised, perhaps the material can still be salvaged. Much of it is transported in glass intentionally, simply because glass is still the most efficient way to move it. Putting it into a second or in a third containment tier 1 gallon, 2 gallon pails with lids with another 5 gallon pail over that is not a bad idea for mobility purposes or transport purposes. You're not going to get any more perhaps. I think that's the most common thing we're going to have to override is the assumption, oh don't worry I can get more. Guys, what you have may be all that's left. Another thing to explain here real quick while we're talking about packaging, the brown plastic that you'll generally get hydrogen peroxide in, you can put colloidal silver in that. Oh yes. It's medical. The white plastic that alcohol comes in is different than the white plastic that milk comes in. You can put colloidal silver in that too. As a matter of fact, remember those plastic containers guys are rated. These typically have a molded in rating for type of chip, what kind of plastic was used. And so you can actually identify them. The big thing here again too is, as we pointed out, this all started out with looking at NBC threat, the nuclear biological and chemical threat. A lot of what would be used to deal even with the biological and chemical casualty maintenance. is applied through these other technologies we're talking about. In each case unique situations. The only problem is that the advantage we have is that we know what to do now or how to deal with certain things that in World War I for instance we didn't. World War I a lot of research was done because of the mass number of chemical casualties. World War I was a full-fledged total war environment. We always talk about the end of World War II with the two nuclear devices. Guys, 50% of World War I was fought in a chemical battlefield environment. Was it just as likely not only artillery being delivered, but chemical ordnance on a broad front? So for everybody it says, well you can't do that, you can't do that. Guys, they're playing on the idea that you don't have any knowledge of history. And do you think that perhaps the technology used for defense back then was a tad cruder than what we have now? And that technology is about 100 years old. Yeah, this is the year 2013, you're right. And by the way, the idea that they were going to go to chemical and biological was already planted in everybody's mind in the 1880s. If you don't think so, you better be reading the books of the era. Remember that H.G. Wells was a ring knocker and he was the visionary to plant seeds in the population to either motivate them or terrorize them accordingly. Think about that. But I can show you examples and this is interesting. Do you know that the Mormon Church in many of the writings described and in fact talked openly in the 1880s? about chemical weapons use and of influenza and use of biological weapons. Long before the post-World War I influenza epidemic, which was the first of the high-speed, pan-global supposed naturally occurring BS, I think that the pandemic of post-World War I was in reality an extension of World War I in the last phase where they actually deployed biological. Because it was always their intent to employ germ warfare, they just didn't get a chance. They finally realized towards the end that if they didn't do it now, they were never going to get a chance to test it on the population, and they did. They've tried everything they can to cover that up. So keep in mind, we've already seen it before. It already has happened before and it was intentional. It was not an oopsie or an accident. Oh, it just came out of the trenches in this obvious. This is a war where chemical ordinance was deployed on a daily basis, somewhere along the front, if not along the whole front. The next logical step was a perfection of the biological delivery systems and utilizing a germ called germ warfare back in the days, guys. Read H.G. Wells read any of the other authors from the era they even touch on the subject or made it a theme for one or more of their storylines far in advance of World War one So again, this is totally ill. What was it that killed those Martians? That's right It wasn't the war the warriors of Earth. It was the little bugs in the water Yeah, which is how they described us by the way to remember we're like germs floating around in that mop bucket. Yeah, whatever So anyway, again, it's not that it can't be dealt with, it's that you have to have the mindset that you will deal with it. Every war we've ever been in, we've always had influenza or again outbreaks, different things that had to be dealt with, totally separate from just how you look up. Tolerant, typhoid. But we have better working knowledge now. Guys, just the idea that cases of soap, I cannot stress this enough. I've repeated that. Oh, there's another point to be major as we close the hour mark this very morning on Morning Local News. They talked about a new H1, a Novavirus rather, that should run rampant across Michigan. They expect at least half of the people, the population of Michigan, to catch this. hard stomach flu, loss of balance, all of the things that we've seen with the norovirus. But they're predicting half of Michigan's population will be infected with this. Wow, you just described the after effects of a radiological contamination. Yeah. Almost like if you have the, hey, wait a minute, something coming down range from overseas. Uh-oh. and we'll explain it away as a bi- Remember what I said? You can call one, you could hit a percentage of the population with a chemical agent and tell everybody, oh my god, it's the- The birth flu, the flying flu, the monkey flu. Yeah, it's a biological weapon. And people not having a clue nor any way to really test or confirm, rumor and the rest would take over. Now if you're listening to this, I'd like to get a response. Have they mentioned anything like this in your state or the neighboring states of Michigan or perhaps Nevada, New Mexico, Florida? Anybody else? Yeah, have you seen this on your local news? This has really irked my curiosity. We need an answer. Are they trying to contain this? Half of Michigan, at threat to this, predicted to catch this? Well, why is the other half going to miss out? We've been the subject of spraying before, too, guys. Remember that, Don, you were one of the people who we had to help treat with the original detox formula. Oh, around the turn of the century, yeah. Well, again, people, it's not overwhelming, but here's the thing. Nobody's going to sit on their arse and watch from the sidelines. If you're listening right now, you're part of the solution. And it starts out, as I've said before, tactical deployment of material. Every time you go to the dollar store, pick up, and it used to be if you get 100 tablets for a dollar, I hope you've noticed what's happened to the containers. They're half as full for the same dollar if there's still a dollar. And most of them aren't even that. Now instead of 100 tablets to a bottle for a dollar, it's 40 tablets for a dollar, isn't it? If it's ibuprofen or whatever. An aspirin's still a little more quantity there, but not much. And again, if every time you go there, you pick some up, put it on the shelf, write down the date that you bought it. It may not make any difference. But write down the date, use a black marker, permanent marker, fine tip, write down the date that you purchased it and cycle accordingly if you're going to use any. But make a point of again in the future being able to reference that, we will prioritize it. We are at the top, I hear the music. Don, your number for night vision can be available in a minute. That number is 2317968458. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Hoorah! I want to thank all of our friends for the input. It helps us a great deal, people. It helps our other friends that are listening that may be new or people who have been listening for a long time that may have missed another program. John, your number for night vision. Give it up two more times and close us, please. The number is 2317968458. Again, 231796. Thank you Mark. God bless you. God bless America. Goodbye.