Live 365. The sound of the revolution. Thank you for listening to Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com. We all need to prepare ourselves. You might have the food, water, gold and silver but ask yourself are you truly prepared? That's why you need to visit MaineMilitary.com. MaineMilitary.com carries everything you need. Gas masks, fire starter kits, high capacity magazines, chemical suits, military surplus items and much more. Do you own a firearm? MainMilitary.com has a large selection of pistols and rifles suited for your needs. Are your local stores sold out of ammunition? Call or visit them today for prices on hard to find ammo and bulk ammo orders. You don't need to worry about having a military surplus store in your area because MainMilitary.com is the only store you'll ever need, all from the comfort of your computer. Visit them online today at MainMilitary.com. That's Main, like the state, Military.com. I had a dream the other night that Well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children can be your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride and are there no more values for which you will fight to save or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? The home of the free? This room. Gentlemen, this is the evening intelligence report. I'm Mark Kornke. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west southwest east and north well ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com, we're on AM&FM microstations, CBB base stations, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi. along with Alaska or in the Holmark Network on the Eastern Seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico headed to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Pitt the third, the fifth, and the seven sisters on the left side of the state there. Left side's got the 1 FM micro per valley, reaches that valley, doesn't go anywhere else. and it's the only radio in the valley so you're listening to car radio you otherwise couldn't use today. Congratulations! That's why motivated people have those FM's up. We're the only radio you listen to or you gotta listen to music or whatever you got in the CD player or on your digital, whatever that is. Anyway, then also Colorado, the recall state, waving to the left coast where the Ray of Sunshine, the state of Jefferson, is in place. We have a lot of good work going on there, but again, the rest of it is through the California Soviet Socialist Democracy CSSD for communist Chinese boots on the ground and the foreclosure process. So I'm going to keep an eye out for the not too distant future. And turning back to the east, we sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi. Where do you think all this snow and all this moisture goes? Gravity sucks. It goes down the river, and that means everything flows to the big muddy. Yeah, but they don't talk about that. You know, just like global cooling warming or global warming cooling only as conveniently they feel the population is stupefied. Oh man. Anyway, the lighting of the smokey's for the restaurant, grandma team's okay, teams in the mob, the grandma consortium of retired telecommunications workers bring us the golden spike. Many hands make for light work, a million petticoat junctions, the ability to continue to function when everything else is offline. And we are busy this week, of course. It is, as you know, it's already the 18th of December. No way. Yeah, yes way it is. It's the 18th of December out there, kids. We are clicking down the days towards Christmas and the end of 2013. You're a dude. Because there's a 13 in it. And the Mayans must have read about, no, they read about 2012, we were told. We were all supposed to die somewhere around the end of December. That was supposed to ruin the Christmas holiday for last year. So let's put a smiley face on everything. And somebody would probably come up with, well, they're rolling off! The Mayans were incredibly worried about the year 13. Well, wait a minute. That would have to mean that they were kind of... Oh, they were into that occult thing about, well, no. It's actually a Christian thing. Wait a minute. It has to do with the Christian faith. That's why Friday the 13th is a bad day. And why 13 in general is considered a bad number. You do remember that, guys. But that's only for people trying to flip things on their upside down with regard to our faith. So don't worry about it. Christmas is coming up. It's just the day we officially celebrate it. We could arbitrarily throw a dart at the board later on if you all want to argue over it and figure out what you want to do next. That's up to you guys. Guess what? The national holiday, end of the year, however you want to look at it. We're going to say Merry Christmas because of all the bad guys out there whose clothes will be curdling when we do that. You'll find your Soviets out there, especially in your hyper-liberal communities, and they are going rabid this year, guys. It's really cool. So use it as a litmus, as much as anything else. The characters that are going rabid. Well, you might want to know who they are because they really go cross-eyed and they're getting ready to get there. They're frustrated because they're Soviet Socialist, but in the outhouse, their international communist is failing them. In reality, he's just doing exactly what, by the history books, every one of these Soviets have done before. So there ain't nobody on our side being fooled. It's only the nincompoops who then turn around and because they're frustrated, they'll have to lash out at all of you. Now, I really think since they hate religion, they need to go down the street and attack the Muslim. Oh, yeah. You mean they're going to run down the street and start pissing them on about the Muslim, yeah, the mullahs probably would come out along with the congregation and beat the living snottom. I guess they got more guts than the American Christian does. Yeah, go down and do that to the synagogue and see how they call the police and how you'll all be. If you go down and pee on the synagogue down there too, the golden palace there. Oh, but the Christians, you can pee on them all day, so that should tell you something, really. Doesn't it? Who's pushing the propaganda in the first place? yeah i think we all understand so if the idea that you can have a lot of fun with it if they don't like it well stick it on sideways uh... it just for the fun of it again even if you don't necessarily go along with the christmas thing use the tool uh... remember we're or everything works in our favor as long as it's causing problems for the bad guys stick them every way you can so it is weapons wednesday and there are other ways you can do that at eight hundred two thousand yards with a thirty out six You can stick them with a 160 or 180 grain bullet that'll just go right on to target and put them down hard. Of course if you want to go Mah-Dus, you know, M250 caliber round, uh, well, you know how that works, 1600 yards and you've still got plenty energy and they just kind of flop over in two directions sideways, well, front and back, left to right. It's really a matter of where you hit them, you know that. So, yeah, we can do all kinds of other damage when the time comes and we will. To do that, you have to have the right tools. I will point out Atlantic Firearms. We mentioned them today. I guess I better post that again. Thanks, we also posted Centerfire. But I don't know the Centerfire posted any Christmas specials. Let's find out. I'm waiting for them because usually they do the 12 Days of Christmas sales and so far they haven't and they still haven't. Tells me something about the industry there guys and the centerfire used to be pretty who pardon the pun religious You know Christmas holiday religion like you know all that right Used to be but apparently yeah since last year. They've just kind of let things ride, so we'll see what happens anyway Whisk over to first of all we're gonna go back to the chat room real quick, and I'm a post in there. Www not Atlantic Atlantic firearms dot com and the reason i'm bringing this up is because they have a few things if they still have in stock and if i got it right here we'll see what happens did i get it when it firearms right uh... yeah uh... yeah uh... yeah well word uh... load in here hopefully free if i got it right now the reason i want to bring this up is on the front page they don't have any super christmas specials that i've seen But they do have some interesting stuff in the inventory so you want to check on what they have available. Always check out and see if they have any kind of things on sale or close outs obviously. But they've got something that for whatever reason when these first came in they've been chopped and lopped guys. M10 762 AK47s. These are from Romania. These are the ones with the site system on the gas port station. These are not the front sight AKs. These have the Pickle Fork, Flash Hider, Picatinny Rail, Foregrip, very ergonomic, really nice, well-contoured pistol grip, a little more earth and meat to it also, and a little longer stock so that it's more built for the larger American anyway, longer arms, etc. These rifles are actually the next or the present generation that they're apparently both producing for themselves and contracting out to other places. and in 7.62x39 these are $660 a piece and they're okay. It's just interesting I wanted to point them out the price is average for that particular rifle it's the new design. They also have Sega's for $475 a piece. Wait a minute. Well my goodness. I think somebody's been listening. Oh I hope they are. That's kind of cool. All of the 99 cent things are gone. And the 95 cent thing is gone. Hey, this is kind of cool. Somebody might have been listening to what I was joking about. I've been joking about this for a long time. I'll throw the nickel in. So anyway, well that's kind of fascinating. That's something that's changed. Somebody might actually be listening to us. Cool. $475 for the SAGAs. They have a quantity of the 16 inch SAGAs in the Standard configuration with a C stock, these are $475. Yes, I know you used to pay $200 for them. It's just where we are. The SAGAs are, again, about that price. But if you're looking for rifles to fill in the difference in your inventory, a lot of people already have SAGAs in service and they wanted more, remember that the SAGA rifle wouldn't change the stocks or do anything like that. Listen, if it's got a pistol grip, keep it. If it has a C-stock system, keep it. Don't change anything there. Don't spend any money on that. They have 7.62x39, and that's what this is, SAGAs, for $475 a piece. That's a Russian AK, guys. That's as Russian as you're going to get from the factory. All Russian made. It doesn't have a rebarrel or anything on it. It's an all-from-their-country factory gun. That's why I like the SAGAs. One of the reasons I really prefer, even though they're They're really like a Chevy. They're not a Pontiac, but they're like a Chevy headed towards a Buick in terms of where they are in the pecking order as far as the price and also for the factory production run. There are more expensive and more highly tweaked AKs that will come from Russia, and you will pay accordingly for them. But for a good utility rifle, this is a rifle you can keep anywhere. Put it out in the garage, keep it somewhere else stored, put it in a cache, have five of them for your 510 program, or even for your personal carry, which a lot of guys do. It's a fine rifle and as good an AK as you could ask for. Again, for $475, it's reasonably priced. If you're looking for more 7.62x39 guns, It's a little cheaper than some of the other stuff that's out there and it is an AK system. So if you've already got SAGAS it blends with your SAGA artisanal, your SAGA inventory and or AKs. And again I wouldn't do anything to change it. Save the money. We're too poor right now across the country. $475 will get you the rifle. Step two more magazines and ammo. And then accoutrements, all the other stuff you need to keep the thing running and to make sure it's functional. And that includes firing pin extractor wherever possible and ejector wherever possible. Okay, so just something to think about there and that's at AtlanticFirearms.com. Now it's not all they have on the front page and I'll scroll down a little farther here. I believe they still have some of the 545 SEGA's. Maybe a few, but you'll have to look to see what they have left. Actually, the page has changed since this morning even. And a couple things are missing that were on the front page first thing today. You might have sold out of a few items. In fact, I think they were low. I know I called and they said, yeah, there were certain things that were done. Ah, here we go. They still have listed the PTR 91 GI rifle. Now, we got into this conversation yesterday in Communications Tuesday. Here it is, Weapons Wednesday. This rifle is $970 a piece. Forgive me, 900. Oh, slap me in the microphone. Slap me hard, too. $869, $870, is what I wanted to say. In other words, I'll throw the dollar in because it's $869. Now, a dollar is a dollar. That's a couple more rounds of ammo nowadays. It used to be 20. Look at the price now. Anyway, now it's a couple more rounds of ammunition for your rifle. That would be 20 rounds of Russian surplus back in the day at a nickel apiece. Man, that kind of burns, doesn't it? If anybody listened to those other idiots that told you to wait, shouldn't have, should you? Anyway, PTR-91 GI rifle, green stocks, field grade, beautiful weapon, $869, and buy 100 magazines for it right away, and I'm not exaggerating, I'm serious. Buy 100 mags for that rifle right away. and also as much ammunition as you can. Now there are a number of companies that are offering .308 ammunition in ball and that's all you need for any of your battle rifles and for that matter for most everything except for maybe your placement shooters they can go with a more sophisticated round but 99.9 percent of everything you'll be doing should be with ball ammo. Reason? Well, no failures to feed typically with ball ammo first time every time it goes from the mag to the chamber and back out again. So that's my first and foremost concern. If I have inexperienced shooters, they're dealing with crisis on the battlefield, they're getting shot at, the pucker factor is up really big time. Guys, you want to minimize any consideration with regard to operation of the weapon so they can focus on the task. One of the things to prevent that is not to use any exotic ammunition, especially for new shooters. ball ammo and pistol and ball ammo and rifle standard shells and shotgun. Why? Because that eliminates the immediate action issues that mostly will crop up because of unique ammunition. Now another thing one of our friends pointed out, he bought some of this dollar 25 and dollar 50 around 45, actually it was 40 caliber ammunition the other day and said, wow I paid top dollar for this stuff, open the box. I'll undo the cover flap for the 20 cartridges in the box. One of the cartridges at this very express price, the primer was completely backwards. It was totally misloaded and dumped into the box and down the road, which means the old quality controls going through the floor because they're trying to crank out what they can to make the profit off what they see out there. It is an issue, something we talked about. Just because you pay top dollar, you see this is one of the things I've been pointing out for quite some time. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's going to do what it's supposed to do, guys. And this is a cart mouth, hollow point, super blow, you know, going to, you know, turn you into a new, when it hits somebody, it's like a nuclear device, okay? Well, it is if the primer works. you see so again that's not the issue in this case the ball around the idea that that bullet will feed first time every time is our biggest concern now my new rifleman can focus on operating the weapon hitting the target reintroducing magazines you know the basic stuff and still keep their archer being shot off money from the process now the advantage of the pter ninety one slash the h k rifle the h k ninety one The M14 and the FNFA are all equal battle rifles with pluses and minuses in each direction provided you don't shorten the barrels. In fact, somebody asked me that. There were two M14s available from one of the companies. One is the shorter barrel that they modernized, if you want to call it that. It's always cut the barrel shorter. Well, I didn't buy a $1,000 rifle, so I could reduce the performance of it. I didn't need to take my battle rifle and turn it into a pistol. Those two categories for MBRs, especially .308s, it's a total waste of resources. If you're going to have a .308 weapon, it should have, again, a battlefield length or a standard MBR length barrel at least. There are longer barrels made for match and sniper operations. And yes, with the .308, that's where you should be looking. But at the very least, with the GI, you've got an 18-inch barrel. You're looking at a standard combat configuration, very reliable weapon. And the big thing is, cheapest magazines on the market, even by anybody else's standards. The HK-91 German-made military mags that are out there that are in aluminum and steel, and I'd buy 100 aluminum right away. Why? I could buy more for less. And 100 aluminum mags, those mags are well built. I have shot the snot out of a bunch of those. Over the years, I've never had a malfunction with the aluminum ones. Why? Because they're military made. They're not aftermarket, you know, anything. All zero-ary numbered, all dated, they all came from the same place. Then, if you want some steel ones, buy some steel ones. Get a mix. But right off the bat, the idea is how can I take somebody who's listening to me right now and make them 100% combat effective right away. Well, they're going to go with the MBR. That's a reasonable price for the PTR-91. That's atlanticfirearms.com. Atlanticfirearms.com. They're supposed to have these in stock. Whether or not they do, you'd have to call tomorrow. But for $969, $869, $869. The FAL, they offer about $1,100. The M1A's about $1,200 to $1,300. But that's basically where we expect them to be. And you can pay more. And they make PTR-91s right on that page that cost more, too. For my personal use, that GI model will work just fine. It will kill you dead in a doornail, but it will also work in the field nonstop and it serves the mission. They have another PTR right above it for about $1,200. 1200 they have other PTRs below it and in other words if you go to the page they list PTR 91s that they offer and they're more expensive models don't worry about it. This is the basic infantry rifle that will get you in the field and 100 mags and then all the ammo you can afford cleaning solvents, cleaning kits, all the stuff that's German that goes with this is out there. Now some of you listen when the stuff was cheap, cheap, cheap when it first came in the cleaning kits were three for a dollar remember that? Yeah, and that's only a short time ago that is not 20 years ago. That's only a short time ago So the cleaning kits are still out there Bannettes are available. I believe typically with all the PTRs you're gonna have to get a replacement top plug for the so that your Bennett will fit because there's a ball post Recess that needs to be in place for the stud on the base of the bannette so that it fits into the weapon the Posts are available from a number of different sources to numerous dimensions. You can shop around, you'll find what you need, and you can replace that real quick. And you then want to look for a cheap bayonet. Used in fair to good condition, HK91 bayonets are as little as $12.95 apiece. Upper end, $20, and in nicer condition. Personally, I've bought a lot of them when they were $7, $8 apiece, and they were in fair to good condition. The blades are decent, the finishes iffy because they've been carried a lot, but they work just fine. And they'll stick you dead, dead, dead. And they're good carbon steel. They're made by the Germans or they're made by one of the other contract companies like the Portuguese. Look around to see what's out there. Find the best price. Now, at the very bottom of the page is something else. For all of you, because I got into this discussion and somebody said, they did not. I actually had somebody who was belligerent until I kind of pointed him at a web page, you know, a couple places. Right now Atlantic firearms for those of you who really do have a lot of money like laying around if you do well They've got an m3 heavy barrel 50 caliber semi-auto rifle. It's a mod do so in this case It's a mod mod triple. There we go. It's my in m3. Okay, it's a mod triple and It's a seven thousand nine hundred and fifty dollar belt fed semi-automatic 50 caliber It's all m3 parts with semi-auto attachments And they also, if you want to spend a lot more money for only only Gusified Purdy, they've got a Gala 16 50 caliber semi-auto for $8,550. Personally, for all the little trinket stuff and doodad stuff they did with the second one, save the money and buy more ammo. Buy the one for $7,950 if that's what you're interested in. Now, years ago, before the M2 kits are pretty well dried up, and that's a good indication because these are M3 kits. These are aircraft guns. Well, the M3s, and there's a good explanation on the page, you can take a look at them, but that's a semi-automatic belt-fed .50 caliber. How much did they cost? Well, say 10, 15 years ago. You could have bought these and bought into them when money was more readily available for about $3,800. American. One of the first companies that started to really get into doing semi-auto 50s and semi-auto Brownings was Valkyrie Arms. I don't know for sure if Valkyrie has changed the name but absorbed or if they went out of business because the individual who was the machinist was getting up there in years. Several of them were. They were older, tool and die men. But the person who was in charge, large female, very much, again, into weapons and kept the business going. So I don't know any more about Valkyrie as far as at this moment in time. I was going to find out today, I was on the list of things to do, didn't get done. But Atlantic Firearms has an example of a semi-auto 50. And again, this is belt-fed. They're $7,950 a piece. I guess if you buy more than one, you might get a better price. You joke, joke, joke. Yeah, right. But on the other hand, there are people listening who actually have that kind of money. One of the militia is down the road here a ways. They now have seven going on eight, and I don't know what the count is now. Several of them are, well half of them are Valkyrie 30-06 Browning, 1919 A6s. They've collected them from different people who've had them available, bought them as investments, everybody's happy. The guy that sold it got the money he wanted for them. They got loaders, they got belts, they collected everything. Well, they've also got a couple of the Valkyrie 50s. This is comparable, but this is an M3 that's been converted to an M2 configuration ground mount. and very successful, works just fine. Chances are if you've been down in Knob Creek you might even have fired an M3 and didn't know it because you really wish you were paying attention. The M2s and the M3s side by side. At a glance you won't even think twice. That's typically what's going on. Plus again, parts are available. The M3s you can beat on those. The M2s are parts but they're fewer and far between. There's nothing really significantly different between the two. Performance at the delivery end, identical. Belts, same. Barrel change, basically barrels are readily available for these guns. This weapon does come disassembled because it does require head spacing, etc. Same as the original weapon. So it's something you've got to take into consideration. And more barrels would be a real good idea. That means this weapon can be kept in service for a long long long long long time. And again that's Atlantic Firearms. It's on the front page, very bottom of the scroll. You can at least take a look at the party pictures. You don't have to buy, but you can visit the showroom. Okay, just remember that. We are at the bottom of the hour. It is, of course, the middle of the week. It's Weapons Wednesday. If you would, I would also remind everybody, if you take the time, you could drop a Christmas card and a postcard from your AO to PBN PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. Again, that's PBN, Patriot Broadcasting Network, PBN PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. Take the time to plug in. Say hello to everybody if you could, but the big thing is if you've got a postcard, if you're listening from overseas, our friends in Australia, our friends over in Scotland, people over in Europe, North and Southern Europe, Africa, we've got people listening all over Africa. Some of them don't like the fact we're talking about the hackers that are doing the screw job on everybody with the Nigerian, you know, oh my God, I want to give you a billion dollars routine. But they know that that's a scam, just like everybody else does. Bangladesh, again, if you could send us a postcard. Also, our friends in Taiwan they're listening to. We got a lot of people in Asia that are listening. And I know you guys, everybody is limited in resources, but If you could, send us a card. We already got one from Scotland and what else we have today. We got one from, I believe, from... Hold on here, I'm looking at the... It's from Hamburg. Germany as a matter of fact, that's cool. Hamburg, Germany. Plus our friends in Florida and our friends down there in West Virginia and Virginia want to say thank you. Well, there are other cars. Nancy got the mail today, so I didn't get a chance to see all of them yet. But I appreciate that. We want to say thank you if you could from each of your respective areas. It's really cool. We'll post them in the station accordingly. Again, that's PBN PO Box 194, Dexter, Michigan 48130. and that's our postal zone 48130 PBN PO Box 194 Dexter, Michigan 48130. Now, I mentioned earlier and I've been trying to do this in each block because some of you will be listening, are going to be listening tomorrow morning or over the next few days via the echo. In other words, you're sharing, somebody shares the program with you, etc. www.del-ton.com $480 for the rest that are out there. Well, the ones for $480 are the ones that are available. You guys bought out the other kits last week. Now here's what I confirmed from the girl at the desk. They have only one 16 inch barrel kit that actually is available. However, your best bet is to call if you see something, call and see if they can ship them immediately or not. Now the one that they can ship and they definitely do have the barrel for is the 16 inch full heavy barrel. It's not a stepped barrel where the front end is weighted and the back is lightweight or anything like that. It's full weight heavy. from the thread all the way back to the receiver from the front you know flash had a threat all the way back and that is a good package i don't love sixteen inch barrels but that's a lot of people are going to go with them take the heavy barrel you're going to stabilize the weapon uh... you know the golfers a lot more strength in general and that makes it a very useful tool well let's take advantage of the useful tool Okay, use it to the best of your ability. Use it that way. When you put a weapon like that together, you know she's not going to fail, but you're also not going to have to worry about other issues that may crop up down the road with regard to stability. Even if the barrel is only a 16 inch, I know I've recommended 20s, they've sold out of the 20 inch barrels. Apparently, you don't have any. We're looking at five, six, or seven weeks before you can get them. That's a month and a half out. This is for Christmas season. If you're looking to try to get a kit under the Christmas tree, you have to do it right now. Then the 16 inch heavy barrel with whatever stock you want to put on it. You can make it an M4 configuration or you can use a standard buttstock, your choice, you know, stick stock. It's up to you guys, but www.del-ton.com. and that will get you what you need in the way of all the parts except for the lower receiver. Now 80% lower receivers you can go to 80% finished you can go to AriesArmor.com, A-R-E-S-R-M-O-R.com, A-R-E-S-R-M-O-R.com, A-R-E-S-A-R-M-O-R.com, $69 apiece, or wait a minute, $69.67 right now. I'll have to double check that again. Anyway, under $70, I know that. And if you want a complete red receiver done and FFL paper Center fire systems has complete lower or forgive me strip lowers for $55 apiece and that's a pretty good price across the board I would get the plain Jane, don't worry about the black spider, black mamba, black snake or whatever, there are symbols on the side. That's purely pitter and it's not necessary. Don't worry about that. The plain Jane receiver made by the same company has a special scribble on the side. Your better choice of the two. You get less because he did a little scribbling and he still got to pay the same price. I know. Again, it's your choice, whatever they have in stock. Again, they're finished. $55 for the stripped receiver with an FFL paperwork on it. The kits, $480. You do the math. Of course, there's going to be some shipping in the FFL stuff on that. By the time you're done, you're looking at a total of $555.60. It's truly a personal, you know, personal choice. If you want to go full kit that way, because a lot of people don't want to build their upper receivers, this is an option. And that kit does include the bolt carrier, the charging handle, the whole upper receiver, all the internals for the lower, the buttstock, you know, pistol, you know, the piston, all the other goodies that go with that. So it's a complete weapon when you're done. So it's a personal choice there. Anyway, I tell you what, before we go any farther, do we have a caller? Just to be safe. I thought I heard some sound in the background if we do have a caller star six if you want to unmute yourself Again, look there we go jump in there. Please go ahead. That's Tim Hey, what's going on your neck of the woods other than it's probably cold over there I can be sure on the other side of the lake go ahead Yes, not normal. It was about 30 stoves right fine though Oh, you're about the same we we had about the same temperature that I figure you guys are a little closer to that cold bubble You might be getting a little more of a spike According to the prognosticators, it's supposed to be raining about 35 degrees tomorrow here. Oh, I don't know. I don't need that. Well, that's some of the snow. I don't know. Yeah, and then it will freeze right at sunset. You know how that means. Ice skating will be the center of attention for cars, not just for people. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to put it in. I just wanted to say that in my opinion I think that any .308 rifles should have at least a 20-22 inch barrel because otherwise I've shot 18 inch barrel rifles and there is a significant ash. I used to have an old Remington 600 and .308. and those came from Remington with an 18.5 inch barrel and I'll tell you what, do that with any kind of typical ammo and you're going to get about an 8 to 10 inch flame out the puzzle. Well, that's one of the reasons, as I pointed out, with most any of these cartridges, especially the main battle rifle cartridges, they were calculated for a longer barrel. They did make shorter barrels even back in the day, but in most cases, again, the individuals carrying that weapon, the reason it was shortened is because it was less likely they were going to use their rifle. They just wanted it out of the way a little bit. They figured it would accommodate the operator, like artillery crews, things like that. Well, yeah, that's where the quote carbine length barrels came in. came in originally. The cavalry carried car beans and artillery units were issued car beans. What you refer to as MBR, main battle rifle, yeah. I'm a big fan of the M1A. Of course, I've shot an M1A in competition for years with a standard 22 inch barrel length. I just think that you can't do any better. in my opinion that's the first best what will be a more senior thing is now right now for instance let me double check this even atlantic actually had has not had they have some m one a's insert in uh... inventory right now and you cannot have not everybody's carrying him but if they do and you can find it again about a thousand dollars is where they're covering little more quality i'm sorry i i i gotta get this out there I learned something recently about Field Armory's M1As. For a long time now, well first of all, Springfield Armory has been in business 40 years now. They first started in 19, I'm pretty sure it was 73. But anyway, for a long time, they were mill specvers. I just had to cut my wife about this last night. According to the original military specifications for the M14 receiver, it was the same as the M1 Garand and that was to be an 8640 forging. Now, Springfield Army, when they went into business, they contracted with various companies to manufacture their receivers over the years. For a long time they were using 8620-14. Now 8620 and 8640 steel are really, really similar. I mean the differences are clinically if, you know, for the average person's use. Round about say 96 or 97 Springfield Army changed. They went to cast receivers. And I have learned that a lot of people have been having problems with these newer receiver. They do not laugh. There was a reason why the government specified forging that they did. It was because it was for durability. Forgings are much than a casting. If they were casting it really bad, okay. Now, like I said, for the average person that might even shoot that rifle a thousand times, it will probably be fine. But if you're going to If you had the possibility of putting 20 or 30,000 rounds, for a rifle, now granted, you're going to go through more than one barrel because the typical barrels are going to last about 5 to 7,000 rounds. But if you were to put that many rounds through that rifle, that cast receiver is not going to last that long. And here's the other thing about spring storale. It's that a lot of internal parts, are not mil-spec. I have a friend who bought a brand new M1A about a year and a half ago and on the third one of the ears on the hammer broke. It's a very third round out of the rifle. Now granted, Springfield Army fixed it, but if the part had been mil-spec, that would never have happened. Right. Well, again, that's where you've either got to... What I find with a lot of these companies, they're doing more and more, is they are Euro-contracting. Remember, we had, and I know Springfield's been doing this because remember Springfield quote unquote was searching for a company to do its pistol. Remember when they were going to do their first handgun? Yes. And the problem is going overseas, well, it doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing over there. I mean if you hire the checks you get good workers. You get good quality personnel. Yes, you get good products. Yes, you get good products, but the thing is you may also, depending on what you lay down for specs, like you said, if you'll accept something because they just want to get it done, not necessarily done right, then they'll follow your instructions. And the infusion casting, that's really what you're talking about, where they went to the higher end infusion castings, if they start getting into speed production, like everything else we've talked about, that's where the failures begin. where they're trying to crank out more and there's another factor tied into all manufacturing. You have skilled laborers. You've decided that you're going to run them for 12 hour shifts or three 8 hour shifts. You run them for 12 hour shifts and I don't care how it is, they always are trying to squeak another shift even though they said, well we're going to go to 12s and work only 4 days. How's that sound? I've never worked for a place where we worked 12 hour shifts where we didn't work Friday and Saturday anyway. Now it's great money, but you're never anywhere to spend it. You know another way you're always you're always on you know, you're not only Yeah, but now the fact that you're in yeah failure. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say You run into the fatigue factor, but getting back to the m1a M14 there is a company out there that is using forged receiver still and I'm pretty sure that is LRB Arms now their rifles are expensive granted Those receivers, as far as I know, they are still forgings. They're still mil-spec. Well, they're listing Rockola with Atlantic, and I haven't looked to see in fact, well, actually they're saying it right here. Forge receiver machine from 8620 forging and fully heat treated, not cast. They're making a point of emphasizing that. Well, the mid's really? Yeah, Rockola. The thing is, it's $1,995 for that rifle. Now as we pointed out you pay you know you get what you pay for and for the design and for what's necessary One of the things that we've had a discussion on for the last seven years or so and more but in the last seven years is that a lot of the second generation m14 rifle manufacturers are now up and Most everybody that's come in is doing high-end For you know competition and also for those people who have or you know rifles that are you know They want to maintain them, they want to keep them in service, they're shooting a lot with them. And this is the price range where everything is for the skilled labor required to meet the specs. That's the only thing I'd say. Like I said, like I described the rifles we were talking about earlier, it's a Chevy heading towards a Buick. The M14 is the Cadillac, okay, the bottom line. The way Cadillac used to be, guys. American Cadillac was top end. People all over the planet bought Cadillacs because they loved that car. Well, and again, you had to spend top dollar to get good quality. And the same is true with what you're looking at here with the M1A. OpRods, I was looking for OpRods. We used to pay $60 a piece, $50 a piece for mill spec, you know, military issues. OpRods, $22 a case. And, you know, you used to buy them actually a little $18 when there weren't any receivers because nobody wanted the parts. They couldn't give them away, so we were buying parts cheap and everyone was, why are you buying those? Because someday there's going to be a rifle that takes them. And sure enough, we've used up all those parts because of that. Because over a period of time, we've built more of the weapons. But now, this is the second generation. Like you said, back in the 70s and early 80s, the M14 parts were there, so the companies in Springfield was the premier. Inbell did a number of receivers also for the M1A when Springfield started their business, Inbell of South America. Their receivers were all to spec because apparently they were making contract guns like Italy did, like Beretta, in the Grand years ago. They had the machining and the tools, so when they went over to making the M14 knockoffs, they did it as an aside thing. It was just one of those things where they picked it up for so many years and then, we're done doing that. We're going to do something else. But the receivers they built were all forged they were all two mil spec and they were very well made They just weren't very pretty on their final finish as far as they never seemed to line the numbers upright You know the name for the company and one letters a little high ones a little like federal ordinance Fed Ord remember Fed Ord used to you know, yeah, they weren't pretty but they work Okay, but the in bills were a better quality, but you know in general so the right here a rockola M1 is actually calling an M14 F They want $1,995. In fact, they've come down by $200 in the price because they were at $2,195. That is full spec though. Go ahead, Tim. That's what you're looking for, is a forged receiver. The PTR-91, as far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's wrong with it is that it's got the scored, or 2.8, extraction. The patch is kind of... funky you can still reload it it's like you said it's not pretty. In fact if you really got a dirty rifle you start looking and going what the hell is wrong with that brass? First time anybody looks at it it's like wow! Because it has little waffling scores where the carbon gets pumped onto the raised surface areas because the brass pushes itself into those extraction circuits, the grooves. And that looks strange when you pick the brass up the first time if it's a rifle you've been shooting all day and you're all of a sudden like man it's kind of digging the side and that case looks weird. Where'd you get these cases? Oh it's just standard ammo guy. You know and then you have to explain to him, it's an HK. The Tokarev gas guns have the same feature guys which is another reason you have to clean, clean, clean. Because Russian ammo of course will probably be corrosive, corrosive, corrosive and that's killed a lot of Tokarev rifles. where they had to be barrel changed because they have a waffle chamber also. We have another voice there Tim. Stay right where you are. Who else do we have there? Go ahead Jim. We have two more callers. Who else do we have? Okay, go ahead. Who's first? You guys know. If you guys are just talking about the flash from the short barrel 308s, I agree that a 308 does make it a pretty good flash, shorter barrel. We've talked before about effective flash. If you go to Delta P Designs YouTube page, I actually did a video where I've hired 10 rounds of German ball, 1970s ball, and with the young manufacturer, we have Wortec. There is no flash whatsoever. The only flash you can see is a small bark basically coming from the bottom of the gas system. You can actually see it in the first five rounds. It's fired in the dark. And then the tack light is turned on so you can see where the flash should be coming from the muzzle if there was any. But that's a big thing. One of the things too, of course, is your energy, your velocity and all that. But there's always that trade-off. You're trying to get a more compact weapon. Like I said, it is possible. to mitigate or eliminate that flash, it's just you have to trial and error, not just take somebody's word for it, but actually find out what works. Right, there are a number of different designs. Just like Tim was talking about the parts for the rifle or the receivers themselves, there's a lot of companies that have gone to the nth degree and have found their niche in flash hiders, other types of assist fixtures. I mean we've seen this. You know, assist fixtures for the Picatinny rails. Newer stocks or different stocks based upon the idea of you know again eliminating felt recoil or trying to come up with a solution that will you know stabilize the gun platform. That's the big thing. For me, like I said, I kind of grew up with the M14 to begin with. That was the first weapon I was trained with and once you've become an extension of you, it's just natural. The weapon itself functioned flawlessly. Actually, I had was issued an M15. The M15s were the squad gun and I carried one of those a couple of times. What they did is they had, it was supposed to be the answer to the BAR. They wanted a squad gun, they didn't have the M60. The M15 was the full auto H-bar version. Heavy barrel, chunky stock, looked like a pregnant M14. He had his chunkier all the way around. And with a bipod similar to what you would later see on the M14E1A2 or whatever it was, the system itself worked and it was select fire. The ID behind the heavier barrel, initially they didn't put the four fold down fork grip on it. Eventually they did. But then they completely dropped the program in favor of just running the M60 into the squad. And so the M15s, what they did is they took the bipods off. They left the original stocks on, they took the four grips off and just threw them into the inventory of standard M14s. So if you were lucky, you ended up with an M15 with a heavy barrel, a little heavier to carry, but it was a tack driver off the shelf and it was just like carrying a match rifle. Except it was obviously still built general spec, so it didn't have any issues with being too tight. It didn't bollocks up on you when it came to malfunctions and feed or whatever because it wasn't broken in. So, it was again a good rifle in general. You get what you pay for like we said. If there were three rifles sitting there and I had the same mags and I had the same ammo, same amount of everything, I'd grab the M1A first. But the reason I bring up the HKs, and I'll repeat it again, is for the price you'd get a nice rifle, a serviceable rifle with lots of spare parts available. 100 magazines and still pay for the 308 ammunition you were going to buy for any one of the three weapons. And that would be my deciding factor right now. If I had my wish, they might have a whole unit outfitted with M1As. The problem is the average person can't necessarily spend the $2,000 on the rifle and then have the money to get everything else going. And magazines and everything else are an issue. Now if you're lucky, like some of the people listening, and I know they are, we did build virtually hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of M1As from M14 kits that came in back in the 80s. and outfitted whole units. There's militia units here that are carrying almost predominantly almost all M14s with the top off and FAO's. Those FAO's came in. Mark. Go ahead, color. Yes, sir. Yeah, this is Tex-Mex. Yeah, Tex-Mex. Get in there first. Go ahead, please. Yeah. Hey, yeah. Oh, Stewart M1A that I just had used looking at it, I was at a gun show just looking for, someone looked at the serial number and said it was in the 80s. You wouldn't know by, if I told you the serial number, I wouldn't, it... The forest or the... Yeah, look, what is it? 88. That's 118,000, isn't it? 118,000, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in all likelihood that is a cash receiver because that was not made in the 80s. That was made probably around 97 or 98, I think. Anything over 100,000. As far as I know, it's a cast receiver. I know they were already up to 75,000 around 93. They were already up to 75,000. I'm pretty sure that probably came out of the factory. It's a good rifle. But like I said, how do you, how long do you think that receiver will, you know... Guys, are we already at the top? We are! Oh no! Well, I'll tell you what, look at it this way, build it up and we'll find out because it is still an excellent fighting rifle. The thing is, we're gonna find out what this...