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I had a dream the other night that, well, I didn't understand. A figure walked in through the mist with a flintlock in his hand. His clothes were torn and dirty as he stood there by my bed. He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low to me, he said, we've fought a revolution to secure our liberty. We wrote the Constitution as a shield from tyranny. For future generations, this legacy we gave. In this, the land of the free. and home of the brave. The freedoms we secured for you we hoped you'd always keep. The tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. and your daughters visit doctors so their children will be brought. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right, and pray to God, keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right we only watch in tremble too afraid to stand and fight If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep What would be your answer if he called out from the grave is this still the land of the free and home? Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is the evening intelligence report. I'm our kirky One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories West, Southwest and North. Well ladies and gentlemen you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com We're on AM&AM Microstations, CB, Base Stations and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're in the hallmark network on Eastern Seaboard, top of main to the bottom of Florida. Bottom of Florida across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. In Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Big Jungle, Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Pitts through the 5th and our friends in the Recall State of... Colorado waving to the left coast where there is a ray of sunshine. The state of Jefferson, which of course used to be the northern part of California and other parts of the other states there in the respective area, well check it out. Do a little search. The state of Jefferson and yes silver one ounce rounds commemorating the state of Jefferson are out there find out more about those also. Then there's the rest of the left coast which has been spewed and vomited upon by Feinsteinism and the other wretched filth-flashed ilk that are destroying the landscape and formulating a bridgehead for communist Chinese occupation of America through foreclosure the same as the rest of the turds that are betraying us. And again that's the California Soviet Socialist Democracy Behind enemy lines all of our friends organize arm equipment train as militia you're gonna need to every bullet you got and you're gonna make every bullet count turning back to the east we sweep across the plains leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and land in the smokies for the restaurant crews, grammar teams, the okay teams and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium bring us the Golden Spike many hands make for light work it is clear well it was clearer we actually have a little bit of Man, a little haze coming in there right now, and it is looking oh Cold outside, but we got a real bright moon. It's a Chinese moon, but a bump bump bump, but a bump bump bump bump bump Yeah, if you don't know about that more on that in a minute guys. He didn't see the little announcements there it is the 16th of December, fifth year of open Fabian socialist and Soviet socialist occupation of America with a K 2013 Old Earth calendar or Mayan. Crazy town, crazy town calendar. Yeah! You know people, I mentioned this on the air and people started to post pictures of Unko Wonka's little cabalistic ritual with Altura in Tucson there with the skull in the middle of it. Yeah, it ain't nothing like having them skulls decorating your backyard and especially your favorite Jewish Kabbalah ritual sacrifice altar slash Mmm crazy town memorial. Yep. Yep. Yep, and don't worry. There's plenty more of those Kabbalah surround Exactly like the character that was engineered to do the shooting there in Tucson Ain't no different just another character. Well in the pot They say big yeah, it's the chamber pocket and Oigavolt again, that's one of the best examples there look at those skulls all but he had all kinds of other good stuff around there that was symbolic to sacrifice to because He got into that Babylonian thing big time. It's it's why they purged them more than a few times Yeah from old Israel I understand a little more when you take a look at some of the stuff they're up to. Remember, in the Patriot Movement, we told you so. We told you so, and we told you so. Just in case. For those of you who don't remember, we'll rub it in. It is Monday. Oh yeah. And there has been a lot of other things going on, but I want to touch on... Real quick here for this Wednesday coming up guys I posted it in the chat room if you want to find out more about getting up on the different Patriot nets that are out there in shortwave www.3950.net that's 3950.net but this Wednesday and Saturday night Wednesday night and Saturday night you can tune in you don't have to key the microphone in fact I recommend you don't plug it in I recommend you hook up your rig, make sure the antenna is connected, make sure that there's good power. A clean power supply, I just picked up one for free here the other day that is a really nice unit. I've got to do a quick check on it, but plug it in, plug a few other things in and it works beautifully where I got it. And free is a great price. Usual, more money than brains. But the clean power supply, it's a lab type and it will make sure that the equipment gets what it needs, where it needs it. That's kind of cool. Do you run into one of those? Good idea. Anyway, plug your equipment in, but don't plug your microphone in. Tune in and listen. Do as the natives do. Pay attention to how they speak, what they're doing, how they operate, courtesy on the air. All these things are part of what can be done in advance of plugging the microphone in. And I really can't stress that enough. Always pay attention to your environment. You don't just jump in. How about you check to make sure you can't dive on that end of the pool? That's the kitty end. I've never been in a swimming pool before. Yeah, well that's a lot shallower than the other. Head first. It's not a painful. Feet first, painful, but you learn. Yeah, and probably get up with a few body parts met here and there. So let's prevent that. Let's pay attention to the environment, then move accordingly. How's that sound? Again, that's www.3950NET. That's 3950.NET.net. That's www.3950.net and it'll get you to where you need to go. How do you like that? I think they'll work out pretty well. Howard in West Virginia should have gotten the package already and I'm gonna double check that because it's supposed to have gone out. But just give me a heads up with a letter if you could. Howard in West Virginia if you get a chance. Give us a note, let us know you got your package. Okay, just to be safe. I'd like to make sure that that got where it needed to go. Also for our friends in Eastern Ohio, you have five boxes on the way for your part of the Golden Spike net. Again, you have five boxes on the way. They already got the mail. Happy Christmas! Merry Christmas! Yeah, there we go. It'll be happy when you open the box. You'll find out why. It is And that'll help with a major project by the way that we want to get done now the way we'll get it done before New Year's How do you like that do we have callers callers jump in there, please? Who do we have just to be safe if need be star six if not you can be a patient listener? Hey mark there. We go. We call her who we have You probably I really like hey mark. Oh wait. We got my hold on we got this Okay, first caller was talking go ahead Okay, I'm sorry. Okay, no problem. M1A versus FAL. Oh, well, again, it's actually, you would actually have to do it this way. FAL versus M1A versus HK91. Yes, but, yes. If you were looking at a rifle right now, I love the M1A, the M14, and I've helped to build hundreds, if not thousands of them, literally. Back years ago the kits were $125 a piece, magazines were $3 to $5 to $6 a piece and we bought lots and lots and lots of them. It's an American rifle. American parts mean expensive now because everybody wants them. So they've gone up quite a bit and a really nice M1A. You can easily spend $1,000 if not more on. But you will find some laying around. Somebody might be able to sell one for less. That's not a problem. The big thing is spare parts and magazines now. It's not that you can't get them, and it's great if you can afford them. If you have a budget that will allow you to do that, I highly recommend the M1A. And the FNFL, same thing. They're parallel rifles. We almost had the FNFL as our standard battle rifle. In fact, in 1955, they were so sure of it that I can show you many different manuals that show US troops written in artwork form, in sketches for illustration for training, carrying FNFLs. The Americanized with the Americanized round grips the whole nine yards. It didn't go through but they were so sure that the year before the tryouts they commissioned all kinds of people that were military artists to produce FN FAL images with our soldiers. What does that tell you? Of course we went to the M14, the M1A one out for whatever reason. Both of the rifles have been cheap at one time or another because of lots of spare parts. Kits came through in force cheap and magazines used to be cheap. Now both the FAL and the M14 price in the mags are about $20, a hover there, maybe a little less for some of the new after markets like the Korean. Those are $15 for the M14. The third player though in the game that wins is the HK91 because we now have the PTR91 for the same price as what you pay for a mid-range FAL or a low-end M1A. You can get it for $900. You're going to pay about that price for the rifle, plus or minus. The big thing is ammunition and mags. That's next. Ammo, you're going to buy .308. It doesn't make any difference. The ammunition is out of the picture. You decided to buy a .308 rifle. You're going to buy .308 ammo. It's going to be ball ammo. Then it comes to magazines. Well, I can buy right now aluminum. Aluminum mags for the HK-91 are cheap and they are good mags. Contrary to everybody, I don't know if people have been commenting, well, they are aluminum. It's like yes, but they are a military aluminum mag. The Germans never did anything cheap and they never did anything un-right. Okay, in other words, when they build something, they build it for their own purposes to fight a war. World War III is what they were planning on. So, all the HK mags that are out there are all military mags that are for sale and they're cheap. So, the magazine is what determines which weapon I'd buy right now. If I were you, I'd get a PTR-91, I'd buy piles of ammunition as much as I can for the price, whatever ball ammunition is the cheapest for the mostest, and I'd buy 100 mags right off the bat. I'll tell you why. I've never seen these mags stay cheap. We bought M14 mags for years for $2 and $3 a piece, especially when there were no M1As around. Years ago, I could get them for nothing. How many do you want? Because nobody had anything they could do with them. But when they finally could, then the price ratcheted up progressively. All of the HK91 mags that are in here are military surplus. I've seen them. There's only one place where they all come in. It's down in Georgia. There's one big warehouse. I've seen every mag you'll ever buy because they all came from the same location because that's the importer. The thing is that they're the cheapest mag right now. They're a military mag. They're dated. They're stamped. They're all one of four or five German contractors to include HK, but they're all military contractors. So I buy $100 worth of aluminum mags right off the bat and then I buy however many steel mags you want to buy after that. Goal one is to get to a certain level of performance. The HK91 will kill somebody dead, dead, dead. You can throw optics on the roof. There are scope mounts available for it that are the claw type made by the Germans. You'll have to spend some money on them, but the real military mounts cost money no matter which rifle you buy them for. FN FAL, M14 or the HK. Excuse me. Oh, I didn't mean to do that, you're here. Anyway, the point is that that would be probably your best choice for the moment. If you have a budget that allows you to buy what you want, I'd go M1A first, FAL second if it was just those two rifles. I like the FAL. It's really a toss-up, but it's because of my personal preference. I was trained originally with the M14, so I like the rifle. I know what to do with it, and I can make you hurt. I'll kill you with the FAL just as well. Anybody, they're a class of rifle where each of those weapons has its pluses and minuses. There are very few minuses with all three of those weapons. The HK, it was built outside the country originally as the CETME rifle, which you'll see a lot of those out there. The CETMEs were cheaper because they were being built by the Sentry Arms and they were cranking them out. We've had some problems with some of those because they were cranking them out too fast. But the PTR-91s are made on the east coast. They're very well made. The M1A's, you can buy what you want and pay what you want for those. And there's some guys that will build you an M1A that will tack drive it a thousand yards. It's a thousand dollars. You know, a thousand and four hundred dollars or so. Go ahead, caller. Who else we have? Well, jump in there. I heard. Oh, oh, you come on me? Oh, I'm sorry. Go right ahead, please. Go right ahead. It's okay. I've been wanting a GI model for about a year now. I've just been doing a lot of reading up on it. and I've just been hearing that it messed up the brass and with the price of that, with the ammo, with being a 308, I want to reload it as much as I can. Now the only thing about the HK is that it will ding if you dial up, I mean depending on how you dial her up, number one. It'll ding the brass on the side, but that isn't necessarily an issue. We've reloaded that brass for years. Back when very few people had HKs, when we would go to range we could pick out an HK because it will ding the side of the brass if it's hot. We would pick all that brass up and reload it. Everybody leave it behind, we'd pick it up and reload it. Now remember also the original HK barrels are a serrated chamber. They have a waffle chamber to break adhesion with the case. Now there's a reason for that. The HK-91 was specifically built for steel case ammo. The Germans, always after the first three to four months to six months of a war, typically have to go to steel case for most of their ammunition production because brass, you know, they prioritize their reserves. World War I, most people don't know it, but World War I, they made steel case. Mostly, you'll see brass that survived, but steel case was very common from the middle of the war on, and they perfected their ability to produce steel case ammunition for the Gewehr 98s and the K98s, and even for the Lugers. Lugers ate steel case all day. The advantage of the HK is that they looked at it and said, What did we see as a problem? Well, steel on steel, we have an adhesion issue. So to eliminate the adhesion issue, they went with a hotter system. They used a mechanical stroke, a system that really, really has positive forceful action when it comes to extraction. And they used a specially designed barrel, which by the way, the Russians built also in the Tokarev rifle. Both the Tokarev and the HK have these serrated chamber points that look like a checkerboard. When the case comes out, if it's dirty and it has a lot of carbon or the ammo is dirty and has a lot of carbon, you'll actually see gas scoring. You'll see the gas printout because wherever the steel case or the brass case doesn't make contact because of those serrations, it's pushed on by the gas that's evacuated into the area around the chamber. Which is not a bad idea because the one interesting thing is we're getting a lot of steel case cheap ammunition from Russia and amazingly enough that HK can handle the steel case all day because it was built for it whereas the F and FAL and the M14 were designed specifically for brass case production. I'm sorry, I haven't been able to find that ammo. I know, like we've said, a lot of stuff has come in and has petered out and now you're finding other. In other words, we're seeing brands we never saw 10 years ago or 5 years ago or even 2 years ago that have come in and they've run their gambit and they're gone. I don't know if it's because they've decided to prioritize towards brass or because of the blocking of the volume of ammunition or just the fact that you've got some major fighting going on in the Middle East and they can sell all the ammo they want to those people so they're not worried about selling it to us. There's so many factors that are tied in. Wars always consume inventories. They do two things. They consume They are primary calibers, but they also consume especially surplus because any army in the field fighting in a third world or a second world situation buys out of the runner revolution market first. They try not to buy whatever they can cheapest for the mostest. If you are on the side that is trying to win and you are on the low dog, then you buy a lot cheaper and you buy even more. But, quality will vary and of course variations in how many calibers like we've been talking about with Syria. Both sides have a lot more weapons than just AKs in service. In fact, I think almost every stinking weapon for the last hundred years is presently having its trigger pulled in Syria. They just love to show the pictures of the AKs, that's all. Go ahead. Okay, so do you think that three waves become more available or do you think that the middle of the east is going to get worse, therefore it's going to pull most of those rounds. this mixed bag of inventory that's going to be made available in a fighting situation. You have to make sure that if we can route it and prioritize it to certain weapons where it's favorable, that's what we're going to want to do. In other words, if I had steel case ammunition and I know one machine is a better typewriter with it than another, I'm not going to try to shove it down one person's throat. I'll try to route the ammunition and made it to its best solution so that the overall team or the overall unit performs better. See, that's the whole idea. So a steel case is going to be out there. If the Russians are on the ground here, let's say that we get into a bad situation where they start divvying up the country because of foreclosure, the Russians are going to be here. The Eastern Europeans are going to be here. Well, they produce brass and they produce a lot of steel. The other thing is, remember that, for instance, Poland The Czech Republic, Czechoslovakia, the Slovaks are on one side, the Czechs are on the other, but they are all on our side of the planet now. If we go to war, those people are now carrying a .223 or .308 weapon, but they are making all their ammunition to their specs. They are still making steel case and brass case in both. You are going to see Russian stuff showing up with .308 caliber. And what they're cranking out, lots of steel case. So you're going to see it being picked off corpses that way too. They're not just going to be carrying 7.62x54R, they've, uh, Euroized a lot of the forces or they've already produced a lot of stuff and they're carrying a lot of the stuff so they can, you can pilfer off our corpses too. I mean, if they were fighting a regular army force, you know, a regular fighting force. So the steel case is a reality and has now been permeated. Well, you got to figure, let's say in the last year, how many, you know, I've asked this many times, you know, I did in a little video we did called Killing the Borg Myth. How many billions of rounds were sold in the last year? How many tens of billions in reality? It's tens of billions of rounds. Now in those tens of billions of rounds, what percentage do you think was steel case that's out there amongst the population? And because everybody is figuring we are headed towards the war, not very many people are just spraying that ammunition on the ground. You know, spraying the brass on the ground. They are holding onto a lot of it. So it is going to be a mix as far as who supplies you with what when the time comes. That is just one of the things that needs to be factored in. The big thing about the HK, the reason I push the HK is that cheap mags. You are going to buy, like I said, you are going to buy the same ammunition no matter what, but cheap mags are the big thing. You can put a rifle on the shelf and 100 mags for what you'd pay for basically just the rifle and still have money left over for the difference of what you'd pay for ammunition. So you'd end up with a rifle, put it around 100 magazines and ammunition for the price of what you'd probably pay for a really nice FAL, one of those DAQs or whatever they are now. and M1A's sky's the limit, you can pay up to $3,000 for that rifle. So. Yeah, they're going for $1,300 right now and so is the SA-58 and the M1A's. And so figure that price is just for the rifle, that's not for extra mags and ammo, you see. So if you buy the PTR-91 for say $900 or $890 or right around there, you still got $300, $400, well no, $500 available to work with. Now I would point out, don't just go out and buy a pile of mags. If you shop around, you'll find that there are still people making deals. If you buy 100 mags, you can bring the price down on those aluminum ones or the steel ones. You just got to make sure you buy them all in one block. But I seriously, I'm not exaggerating on this idea. That's why I keep harping it over the last couple of months here. If you've got an HK, this is the cheapest mag you're going to buy. You might as well buy a big lump of them. It's nice to know you've got 100 of them there that you could load up and just go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, oh wait a minute, reload, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, oh wait a minute, reload, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and you could do it 100 times. See, I kind of like that. Right off the bat and still have some ammunition to put in the magazines before you get to the $1400 mark. The other options are there are other 308s. There are the SAGAs that are out there. There aren't very many long barrel ones left if at all. We've been seeing a few other weapons out there in 308 that are available that are AK designs. They are good rifles. Magazines are the issue though. How many mags could you get and how many magazines cost per unit? So you save a little on the rifle or a lot. Actually some of these rifles that are 308 that are AK You can get for in the $500 range. So you can buy two rifles, still have money left over, but then you'd be spending that difference on magazines. And some ammo is what you have to do. But it'd be the magazines where you'd be spending your bucks. So those are the math formulas that have to be worked into it. I just like the idea of lots of mags. Right now, lots of mags. More later, lots of mags. You lose half your mags, you still got 50. By the way, every week, if I had a PTR-91 right now, if I was doing what you were talking about doing, I'd be buying mags every week. I just like the idea of stacks of those really well-made German magazines that aren't going to fail me, that are built like a brick dog house, that were made by people who know how to build things. It's not like they were made in China. You know what I mean? Quality. Yeah, the German quality of the 60s. Because all those things are dated. Most are from the 60s. the 70s and into the 80s. So they're all, again, they're dated by the month and the year, and they're serial numbered because Germans like the British were anal retentive for serial number accountability for parts, as far as what part number is it. If you don't have the part number, I can't give you another one. That kind of thing. So you can validate that they're all factory original. That's what's cool. Well, I might be getting one of those then. I was leaning towards the M1A and then the PTR 91, but as you're saying, parts, I think mags are pretty cheap on the M1As, but I haven't looked at parts yet. And I think that's going to be hard. If you were to go the M1A, it's not a problem. If you've got the money for that, that's not a problem. The big thing is, right now you can get For $15 you can get 20 round mags from JG sales. M1A Korean made, the Koreans used the M14 just like the Taiwanese forces did. And the Koreans don't make cheap on those because they use those in battle. In fact the Korean marines were still using it, last I heard at least some of them. Now mostly Korea has gone over to Daewoo. But the Koreans, for the size of the soldier, a lot of them were established with and built their reputation on the M14. Taiwan had the M14. And both of those, they had Taiwanese surplus out there a little while back, but I haven't seen any of that for quite some time. Everybody said, well, should we? Are those worth picking up? And they're all, yeah, the Taiwanese. They always have, they've always built copies and they've even stolen copies of stuff from us. That's the sad part about it. We're all entrepreneurs to the nth degree. The M14 mags we'd be buying were their military mags. They build them to last and they're building them to survive. They don't want anything mucking up in the field because virtually their life depends on it. They're on the front line. The Chinese are staring down their barrels. So, weapons and equipment from Taiwan, you'll notice there's not very much you can get. I think everybody seems to kind of forget that even though Taiwan is one of those countries to go to if you want weapons and you're a runner-revolution company. Taiwan, Finland, Yugoslavia, those were the three core countries where you could go to companies and get everything you needed to fight a war. And it wouldn't fail you. That's a reputation all three of them had. Finland, Yugoslavia and Taiwan Taiwan still with us Finland's out there somewhere, but you don't hear about him anymore and Yugoslavia they chopped up into pieces because it was an industrial giant at the end of the Cold War So what they did is intentionally chopped it up So it wouldn't be competition for the euro and for the European, you know European garbage No, anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead, please. Oh, no, I was just gonna say I'm not the other color Yeah, I do have another caller there. He's been so patient caller jump in there, please if you're still there Thank you so much and I've seen your video Thank you so much. Oh, thank you, sir Appreciate that and did we get our other caller up go ahead caller if you're patient and still there jump in there, please I heard more than one voice. I hear some noise Star six if you need to unmute yourself Anyway, I'll tell you what, just jump in there or you can call back in. Again, I haven't given the number out in a while. Forgive me, ladies and gentlemen. 712-432-0900. That's 712-432-0900. The room number is 957-464-pound sign. Again, 957-464-pound sign. And the other thing real quick about the HK is guys, remember there's lots of spare parts laying around for the moment and they're still fairly cheap. So if you're looking for spare parts, let's start collecting some of the goodies that are out there. You'll notice there's no kits left. They've taken the kits and broken them down into spare parts as individual pieces. One of the companies that has a lot of that stuff is www.centerfiresystems.com www.centerfiresystems.com www.centerfiresystems.com. Do we have a caller? Yes, Mark. Yes, go ahead and attempt it. Is it possible? How about the steel casings if we could, you know, it's a lot of work, but if you've got time to highly polish the cases with some chrome polish and do your chambers. As far as the steel case goes, I would just, what I would do, because a lot of it's going to probably be lacquered, Number one, when it fires you'll notice the lacquering. If you look at a case that's not been fired, then look at a case that's been fired. If it's steel case, 308. Now most of it has, if it's older steel case, it has the older traditional lacquer finish. Once it's fired, it appears to actually caramelize and then crystal, because the case is hot. And typically if you're firing semi-auto, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, the chamber's pre-charged and it re- It makes the material malleable to a degree. Now it doesn't stick and it doesn't create a problem unless you fire it a lot of rounds. A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of rounds. And even then, AKs, because of the nature of the case, are very forgiving. 7.62x54 is. And even .308 seems to function pretty well because the rifle is abusive as far as the amount of energy that all three of those rifles have to get rid of the case. In other words, it's violent extraction, which is what you need. The best way to clean it would be to use corn cob medium. That's what I'd start with and you would get a tumbler get a case tumbler or you can make one with a coffee can a couple of wheels a Long quarter 20 volt you can buy those by the pound from Tractor supply there a dollar 25 for you know a pound of nuts bolts and screws so you get washers bolts and long quarter 20 lag bolts and a rotisserie motor like you use for a barbecue. You can make up your own little tumbler that way. It won't be as fast as a high-speed tumbler but it will work at pretty good speed and it will run forever because the motors are designed to take heat. You can also use a smaller motor like a drill motor and get it to go faster if you want to. But get a tumbler, go to your feed supply store, buy a big 50 or 100 pound bag of corn cob medium. It's usually used for Gerbil and bunny rabbit bedding. It's a very fine bead and it's a lot cheaper. You're talking about, I don't even know what it's going on right now, but $6 for a big bag of it or $7 for a big bag of this stuff. and what you use it for is initial polishing and cleaning of brass. I don't care if it's a steel case or if it's regular brass. The reason, most everybody has, you know, they have walnut or they've got different types of nut shell medium that they use for tumbling. That is good, but To get the walnut medium to last longer, what you want to do is get rid of all the carbonized material and to initially scrub or clean the brass. Well, the big 50 or 100 pound bag of corn cob medium works like a sponge. You throw it in there, it buffs everything up, starts to pre-clean, in many cases more enough to polish everything all by itself. How about that? Okay, is that for live ammunition or for reload? I'm talking about taking a live ammunition and just spit on it. Oh, no, no. Never, never, never. Thank you very much for bringing it up. Never, never, never tumble any live brass, any live ammo. No, no, no. I'm talking about taking it by hand and spit it on a buffer with compound and plant and beforehand, you know? I wouldn't do that, though. No, no. I wouldn't do any of that. The reason I would say that is two things. Number one, be careful because calorific transfer, you can build heat up. That's dangerous. You never know when you're going to get a popcorn pop on you. You don't need that, okay? Number one, Number two, the case is more than sufficient as is. I'm not worried about the finish on the steel case. It really is going to help you. The only thing you could do is something you mentioned in a roundabout way. If you were going to redo steel casing and you wanted to take it to the nth degree, you could chrome plate steel. If we had steel cases and we had to reload them, I mean we were reloading them and we wanted to say it's all we had. Any case can be nickel plated. A steel case, brass case, whatever. It's like the nickel cases we get in the store that are 357, 38 special, or even 9mm 45. You can be combined that way. I just don't see it as often in the autos. That's all just electroplated. That's just an electroplated brass. A good polishing of the chamber of a firearm would hurt at all, would it? Yeah, there's finishing systems for cleaning and for polishing, but again, that lapping system is very, very, very specific and I follow the instructions, obviously. There are some really nice kits that are out there, you're spending some major money, but I don't know that you didn't necessarily have to do that. You don't need to really lap any of those chambers because it's a field grade weapon. And remember when you start tuning things up, you start tightening things up sometimes. And that's something that we don't necessarily want with all of our battlefield weapons. Now typically the rifle coming out like the HK91s, These PTR 91s that are coming out are pretty pretty square away out of the factory I've seen some tremendous reviews on them and everybody we have here that's got them has bought more and They haven't had a problem with extraction. In fact, just reverse. They're doing exactly what HK's are notorious for Go, you know, you better have a catcher's mitt You better have somebody ready to jump back and forth to catch that brass flying from that chamber because boy she sailed Wow, you know That's violent extraction that is designed into the weapon because of what the possibility of what ammunition it might be feeding. The thing is most people go, man, why am I going to put all this work into a steel case? I can get a brass case and I don't have to do all that. Well, in the long run if I were looking at, again, salvage because we are going to be scavenging. In most places where wars have extended for periods of time, if you are unconventional, everybody talks about being a gorilla warrior and how they are going to be secret squirrel and they are undercover and they are going to fight this long gorilla war. Well I hate to tell you long gorilla wars, you have to start improvising, adapting and overcoming and that's why if you remember in the movie platoon, there is a scene there, remember when they were in the village and he shot the woman. Before they go any farther, actually there's a point where he goes, police your brass. Remember the one sergeant goes, police your brass. We don't leave nothing for the dinks. Now what did he mean by police the brass guys? What he meant was any expended shell casings, anything that you had that you fired, you go pick up the brass. Why? Because if you didn't pick up that brass, somebody else would and they'd be shooting you with it next week. That's guerrilla warfare. That's what guerrilla warfare is about. You either shoot them with it, you blow them up with it, or you burn them with it. If the brass is mucked up, you turn it into fragmentation, you put something around a high explosive, and you frag somebody that way. See, everything that is manufactured has a purpose or can be put into a second, third, or fourth tier purpose. So there's an example right in front of everybody and nobody even knew what the hell he was probably talking about when they heard that in the movie. Police ya brass. We don't leave nothing for the dink. Look who's there. You see? So down the road we'd probably be working. The steel case will be trending. I've talked about a lot of stuff in there. I know some people are going, well that's crazy. I'd never do that. Really? Well then you don't know what the hell is going on in this planet or what's happened in the past. Because a lot of this stuff, what it comes down to is, what would you do if we didn't have any? And part of the fun thing about having a hobby like this, if you applied it as such, is that your hobby has practical application in the future. Because now that you've researched and developed and figured out how to do it when it's easy, it'll be a lot easier for you to do it when things get hard. You see so for instance on the steel case the big thing would be like I said how would we get rid of the what the lacquer finish because The lacquer is partially going to be scraped perforated and originally remember when the lacquer was applied It was uniformly applied as a as a sealer to cover the whole system Covered the bullet cover the cantilever it covered the primer and it covers the case Well, once you fired it, you've compromised that lacquer. Now, it doesn't mean that it's going to be, you know, it isn't going to serve some purpose and cover the metal that it covers, but remember you're going to pop the primer, the bullets already gone, you've got carbon inside the chamber, we need to clean that brass up. What are we going to do? So, it was shot brass, we've got to figure out how to make it so that it's not going to be a malfunction for Jeff, you know, or Fred, or Bob in the field when they have to use the ammunition I built. Somebody's life is counting on my precision. And that's how everybody needs to look at it. I'm not doing it half-assed. My job is to do it right if I'm a manufacturer to make sure that my people stay alive and it kills the people it's supposed to. It doesn't get somebody killed because of a failure. Most important is failure to feed or failure to extract because either way I've stopped up a weapon that now needs maintenance or has gotten my operator killed. And that's how I should be thinking about everything that I'm doing when I'm thinking about reloading. Go ahead, color, jump in there, please. Ah, this is Fluffy. Hey Fluffy, go ahead, please. Just wanted to make a comment about the HK-91 and PTR-91 rifles that I didn't hear you mention that it's a recoil operated system, no gas system to possibly foul out. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. It is another plus in a, you know, a shit-shit-hit-shit-hit-shit-hit-shit-hit-shit-hit-shit-hit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit-shit- shit-shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- shit- The very nature of the design was based upon worst case scenario for all materials used to make it. That's one of the things everybody needs to remember. The Germans had lots of experience of being bombed into the stone age and understanding warfare. So the HK91, which the Setme rifle is what it was based upon, was the next... It actually is nothing more than a natural step-by-step progression. from the Sturmgewehr rifles built at the end of the war. It took practical application and experience and put it into the next family slash design. But what they did is they slid it sideways over into Spain. And since Franco was still in power and a viable government, they couldn't do anything about it. Nobody could go after him. Nobody would because Franco wouldn't do anything about the people that showed up. The reason is because Franco got full benefit of that rifle. So, the country, hey, I've got a weapon system and it works and nobody else has one of these. I'll keep these guys. And of course, when the time came, once everybody waited long enough, they slid the company back over. It became an HK design and the rest is history. It is a very reliable weapon in general. Some people have a tough time with the sights. My rule is it is a peep sight system. It is just that barrel adjustment system and get used to it. In other words, train your mind. If you are a militia man, you should be able to pick up any weapon that exists and use it. Absolutely. That has to be the rule. That is why I have said go to all these YouTube videos and watch these people using all of these other weapons. pay attention, understand how they work and then go to the gun shows and if you got a question you can go look at one especially at Knob Creek where you can even pick up the machine guns and look at them guys you can fire one you can actually go that's how that works and again the HK is the same way if you're like you've got your own free showroom where you get to look at everything you know again beforehand it's not yours but you can take a look at it before you make your final decision which is especially critical And the At-Nab Creek or any other ranges even get to shoot it. So you go, yeah, I like that. Eh, I don't like it. Eh, you like that one? Eh, I don't like that one very much. Eh, I think I'll go that way. And it comes in my favorite color. Gunmetal gray and black. Well, or pink if you want a Miss Kitty rifle. I'm very glad. Go ahead, color chip in there. Hello, JC from PA. Couple things I had noticed. One, H and Ks, they seem to kick a little harder than your typical 308, which is two, it's recoil operated gas or recoil operated stability. Two is you can get a 22 kit that fits inside it so you can practice with your actual life. Which can be a real pain in the ass to correctly your corrosion up your system to the part of the other system. Well, one of the things to remember, now this gets back to second tier of things to do for each weapon. And I was going to mention this but I didn't want to get it locked into the formula until you've got the weapon, now what do I do next? Firing pin extractor and ejector for each of these weapons, where ejectors are available. Some of the ejector is integrated into the receiver as we know guys. But firing pin extractor and ejector right off the bat With the M14 slash the M1A, I was going to mention the op rod. The only problem as I would point out with the op rod getting a spare now is it used to be we'd buy them for $15 a piece and they'd have them in boxes of 20. Now they're 80 to 80 for a crude one and 150 for one that's brand new being made by guys who know what they're doing. There's some companies making brand new op rods for the M14s and the quality is phenomenal because they're building for match rifles. With the FNFAL, again the gas system itself, the watching for oxidation and corrosion around the gas adjustment tool, especially because it's the part that usually is not taken down. And if you have corrosive ammunition or like you said, moisture buildup combined with carbon, that's a place where you're going to have to make sure you lubricate. Now on the roller block issue with the H-case, Spares are available, brand new from PTR, or even as surplus in all the other circles. And the big thing there is preventive maintenance, preventive maintenance, preventive maintenance. In Central America where they had this problem, the most where they had the problem was with gorilla forces because they didn't have the PM tools to get the job done. And they were always short oil. They were always short lubricants, PLL products. In each case, each of the weapons has an issue With regard to lubricant, and each one needs to be addressed and needs to be on that second tier of things to pick up. Even the M16, while we may not need a whole lot of lubricant, we sure as hell need a lot of bore cleaner to keep that puppy clean or we're going to have other problems. So each one provides a POL issue that has to be addressed, greases and oils. With spare parts, and I brought in the M16 only because the AR10, we were talking about the AR10 a couple hours ago, AR10s are out there. It's not really in the formula because not that many people buy them, but they are out there and they're good rifles. They're good for what they are. Won't complain. You come to this battle with an AR15, an HK, an FL, or an M14, we'll hug you and we'll thank you for being there. Okay? But what we're pointing out here, because every time you mention different weapons and say, well there's this problem, everybody goes, no! Well, but there's also a positive, which is, you know, like Fluffy has brought up, each person has demonstrated that there are advantages and there are issues that have to be addressed with every weapons system. And also remember that the countries that designed them knew this. Before they even brought them into service, final service, they had looked at all of these issues. That's why each country had a special program for training their men in how to maintain their weapon systems. The FNFAL has the same problem, by the way, with regard to oxidation and corrosion. There are two or three Remington designs built in the 50s. that have the exact same problem and it has to do with you know beautifully machined piece of equipment at the front of the weapon that the gas control system and what happens is people put the rifle away dirty uh... the rifle the carbon crunk collects moisture the moisture of course creates oxidation and the rest of history so we have to do maintenance on these weapons the f n forty nine has the same issue as the f n f a l but it's a longer gas system The HK, another thing you pointed out seems to buck a little more. Again, as we've pointed out, there are different types of recoil strokes. And by the nature of the HK-91, it's something that you have to be prepared for, and you need to move into the weapon a little more and be prepared with forearm control. The M1A glides. I love, I'm going to tell you I like the M14 even though like I said I just told somebody buy an HK91. If I were going out right now, I'd buy an HK91. I'd buy a PTR91 only because of the magazines. If I'm coming into this game right now and I need a .308, I need lots of mags and I need also the most bang for the buck is what I'm looking at guys. So, HK91, PTR91s are reasonably priced, magazines are dirt cheap, ammunition is going to cost the same no matter what rifle I buy it for. So that's my formula. Even though, again, if I had three rifles sitting there and everybody goes, well Mark, show me what you want. I'll take the M14. Now, the reason I take the M14 is my personal life's experience because I have carried that rifle, blurry eyed, half asleep. I've made it work under any conditions needed. I can break it down in the dark right now bare butt naked, in pain, cold, whatever, and I would still break it down and put it back together and kill you with it because you had to live with it. Okay, now I've lived with FALs and I've lived with HK91s, but I've not lived with them the way I live with the M14. So for me, the M14 has a memory pain experience that helps keep me conditioned. I've carried the FNFAL in the squad gun. It was heavier than sin, but it stayed on target. It was the F&F-AL answer to the BAR in the Israeli configuration and the Lebanese configuration. Both of those worked just fine. Again, it works in a drawer, self-cleaning, adjustable gas system. Magazines used to be $2 apiece. So it's purely a matter again that each each ear of those guns I would have recommended when we were building m14 m1a's not m14s We built semi-autos. I don't believe in the select fire on these for the most part you captured from the enemy do that If you can't hit it now, why do you need selective fire if you can't individually place around at 600 yards? You don't need selective fire if you can't hit it first then burst fire on ain't gonna do you damn, but a good excuse me darn, but a good so With each of these weapons, they're like I said, pluses and minuses, but all of them serve their purpose. Used to be M1As, $125 a kit, receivers for $150, magazines for $3 apiece. Then the price crept up, parts kits were no longer available, but the FN FAL came out in the L1A and the Imbel rifles from South America. Those kits were $96 a piece and receivers were $125 a piece. Do you know how many of those we built? There's a couple guys here that rolled army armors that we went from the M14 to building FALs for militia units way back in the 80s guys. And we built hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of F&FALs. And at the time, mags were $1.25, then they went to $2, then they went to $5, like everything else. So now the HK, which we never really had a good wave of cheapy, we had the parts kits come in but we finding receivers was a problem but they're there. But now we've got the PTR-9 built in the US and all the goodies to go with it. So the big thing is again, those mags for $2 apiece. And I'll remind everybody, if you buy 100 mags at a time you can make a deal. Tell them, I don't want to buy 100 mags, we're kind of... Access code accepted. There are five participants in this conference. This conference is being recorded. Please announce yourselves. They did have 308 dies available and they did have some carbide dies. Highly recommend carbide. With regard to all these weapons, let's not forget bayonets. If you buy that HK91, you're probably going to have to replace that front plug and put a Bannock capable plug in the top of the system there, just under the site guys. Not a big deal, they're out there and they're cheap and they're military. Bannock, about $10-12 a piece for the HK, $13-14, $25-20 for the FNSL. I hear the music, God bless the Republic. After the New World Order we shall prevail ladies and gentlemen the Empire is on the runway in the March guys Thank you for all your input. Merry Christmas to everybody. Merry Christmas and take it over. We'll see you tomorrow same time. Bye. Bye Washington and Jefferson are crying tears of shame To see these men who'd rather live at sleep The Minutemen are turning in their grave Taking life is wrong to understand the man that ought to bend his home To pray our prayers years because of people serving Washington The Minutemen are turning in their grave Washington and Jefferson are crying You'd rather live in an end-day parade.