December 4, 2013
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56m
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2013
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Mark Koernke discussed tactical rifle marksmanship, combat tactics, and weapons systems in the context of militia preparedness. The episode featured extensive technical discussion on follow-through in shooting, long-range rifle engagement, squad-level tactics including mobile ambush formations, and historical examples of rifle units in American military tradition. Koernke and his co-host Don covered weapon selection, ammunition logistics, body armor vulnerabilities, and the psychological effects of disciplined marksmanship versus spray-and-pray tactics in combat scenarios.
- rifle marksmanship
- long-range shooting
- tactical combat
- ar-15
- 308 ammunition
- 50 caliber
- militia tactics
- mobile ambush
- body armor
- follow-through
- preparedness
- weapons section
- american war for independence
- aries armor
- drop charts
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The freedoms we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep. But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money's spent. Your children must attend a school that doesn't educate. And your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You trade it in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm and keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you will fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God-given right, and pray to God to keep the torch of freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he'd vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now, as tyrants trample each god-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Well, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first hour of the afternoon Intelligence Report, Mark Krunke. one day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, east, and northeast. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com or on AFM Microstations, CB Base Stations, and UltraNet Technologies east and west of the Mississippi, along with Alaska. Home market, we're talking about Maine, Baltimore, Florida, Baltimore, Florida, North Dakota, Arkansas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Big Jungle, Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd and 5th, and our friends in the recall state of... Callo, I do. The Golden Spike, many hands make for light work. A million Pityco Junction operators, the ability to continue to function with everything else is offline. Don, just started to rain here a little bit. Just, it's been kind of neutral all day. Got into the station, sat down and heard the first pittering on the roof. It's been a little bit of waves. It's interesting because the air has been hanging all day. You know how it's like that pregnant pause. All day long, yeah. Yeah, it just got all the electrical tools in, under cover, just put the nails away and here she comes. So pretty good timing, at least it's OK so far. I'm going to check on a few other pieces of equipment. But otherwise, what's the date today, sir? What is the special day? And what's jumping off the wall up in your neck of the woods? Well, Mark, it is the fourth day of December. Let me repeat that. It's the day of December, year of our Lord 2013. Wow, we're in December already, you guys. That fourth day of December, that was right down the middle of the week. I have in my hand a magazine from my trusty 1911. God bless John Moses Browning. The magazine between baby finger and index finger. That gives you that same plane as the palm of your hand that your gun rides in. They kind of match up and then you just insert the magazine into the magazine well. Wow, it's full now. With the touch of that slide release, the chamber is full now. And seeing as how, Mark, I know I sometimes strive to practice proper English, but seeing as how, there's nobody busting down the door, I'm going to drop that magazine out and pop that, pop it off. Hey, the chick lit, some call them bullets, you know, the cartridge goes down and back, and then the magazine again, back to the magazine well, and now we can tell everybody it is Wednesday, the perimeter is securing, you know, there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity, coercive force. Talk about the Equal Opportunity Course. Of course, I have our senior cat here, Mr. Kitty, and he is trying to make sure he's part of the program, I'm telling you. There you go. You couldn't get any closer to the microphone, slash the system, if you wanted to. In fact, he's trying to, trust me. In fact, you almost had a third Coco's here. Well, he's a reminder that it's a weapons Wednesday. That's right. He's got paws and claws everywhere, plus a good set of fangs to deal with the problem, and he's the oldest guy of the bunch. He's the senior observer right now across the board, and very thankful he's inside when that rain happens, but that way. He just came in with me for the program stint here. Guys, a reminder that ariesarmor.com, www.ariesarmor.com, spread the word, and let's clean the place out again. So far we've been able to clear it out just about as quick as they've been building inventory up. $65 apiece. I don't know if they've taken and jacked the price back up. But right now it's $65 per unit because of a sale they had over the weekend, part of the Black Friday thing. And I highly recommend you take advantage of it. Now there's pink. There's black. Although I think they're out of stock on black again. And I was going to check on that here in a moment. They've been filling out pretty quick and we can't really do anything about that because you guys well some people are buying 6 7 8 10 at a time and Doesn't take long to take big chunks out of even hundreds when they're there guys so The a lot of units are doing we're talking about building up their 510 program this way and bring a lot of rifles online with parts We've had sitting on the shelf for Well, the good old days of Knob Creek, when you used to be down there and it was ten for ten dollars for parts for the AR and gas tubes for ten for twelve for ten dollars or stock sets, pistol grips, twelve for ten dollars or butt stocks ten for ten dollars. Well, if you get buying all those ten for tens and ten for twelves and twelve for tens and eight for twos, there was all kinds of great prices. You had enough spares laying around so that with just a few more items, we can put a whole lot of A1 type air 15s together. I'm just as happy. If you throw me an A1 model, even with the old archaic Vietnam era sandbag, the triangle sandbag foregrip, I'll take it. I won't change it out either. I'll leave it just where it is. Why? It's pay for. I ain't going to spend any more money on that. You want to know why? Because we got a whole lot of money spent on ammunition and mags nowadays guys. That's the problem. More on ammo than anything. So if you do build one, do it with off-the-shelf parts or do it with the cheapest parts available. I can't stress that enough. Get the most for the least. It's field grade. It's not going to be a national match rifle. Let's see, as a matter of fact, here we go. Oh, they did get restocked and they were eating up already. They had 100 come in. They're down to 66 on the black. They've got pink, 162, black, 66. They were out yesterday, so you've got another batch in, which is cool. They're $69 now, Dom. They've gone up by $4. Remember? See what I said, guys? They were over the weekend, they were $65. They were kind of back halfway up to where they were at $75. So $69 apiece for the 80% polymers. Their out of stock on the tan slash the brown, that didn't take long. That's the Coyote Brown. Let's see the Zombie Green, they have $135 of. And the standard green, they have 109, so they've eaten up about 60 of those in a day, which is pretty good. And I want to see that continue to happen. We get rid of those and carry them all home. That's the agenda. So again, that's A-R-E-S-A-R-M-O-R. They do have a lower trigger group internal kit with a pistol grip. All the internals, all the pin springs and everything else you need for the lower, $39.00, which is actually a pretty good price for, you know, that includes hammer, that includes all your trigger group, the whole nine yards. So you're pretty well squared away ready to go, and it will work with this rifle. But of course at this point it's just an 80% finished piece of plastic, which means no paperwork, it's a Liberty Arm, you guys can do what you want. Of course they do have the aluminum receivers. If you've already purchased and gone to those, keep doing it. If you've already figured out how to do it, you're doing a good job, build more of the aluminum ones. I'm still waiting for Donna, I really, really, really, really want this. And I've talked to two manufacturers already and they're like, well, an all-steel lower and all-steel upper. I wouldn't care if it was 41.4 chromoly would be fine or 41.30, either one. The idea behind this is, yes, I do want it heavier. I want the rifle to last forever. Think about it since the aluminum ones. Let's just be honest right now We've got a whole bunch of hydromatic and coal kits coming out that are from the Vietnam War era about 1968 to 72 production down. Don't forget the Smith Corona. Yeah, they're out there. They really are They're out there coming back in and if you look at the kits, they're not in bad shape consider They pretty much been in service since Vietnam Now these are 40 and 50 well 45 year old rifles. Okay, they're a they're a ones. They're not ease. They're a ones. Okay, and So you're looking at a pretty decent kit in aluminum now. If it will hold up that well in aluminum in the field, what do you think it's going to be like if you build an AR-15 in steel? Oh man, what could wear out? Granted it will get dirty. It's notoriously a dirty gun. But since we already know that, we've thrown that out of the formula. Put a good enough buttstock on it and now it becomes a stroker donut. Oh yeah, in fact that fine thread, that tube, plus you can do a thumb hole type, one of the crossbar type that goes to the pistol grip and you just like the AKA guy with the SPD sniper rifle or the Velmaize, you've got an excellent opportunity there to beef up a rifle that could definitely do some damage when the time comes, guys. and that's something to consider, especially since it's supposed to be a battle implement. Considering where we've measured up, if you think about it, look at the specs for the present weapons that we're putting into the field. How much junk Is there any, is, is added on? How much weight are we adding to the weapon? So if somebody says, well, a steel weapon, it might add up to a pound. It's like, well, what's the big deal there? Hell, we're up to 11, 12 pounds per rifle with all the junk they're throwing on it now. I gotta ask you, son, are you jumping out of an airplane? Yeah, exactly. No, we're infantry. Not only that, we're in our home base. We're in our home operations, guys. We ain't going nowhere. So, that weapon for platform stability, for durability, it's kind of like the next step would be titanium, but I don't think anybody's... Somebody did, I shouldn't say that. That would be an expensive AR. Oh yeah, just for the upper and lower receivers. And I'm talking about doing both the upper and lower, not just the lower. Just for the bits to finish the pieces, yeah. Yeah, a small fortune. Well, I'll tell you what, John, jump in here for a bit and I don't want to... I've got a segment that should fit right in from here to the bottom of the hour. Now we talk about edged weapons, we talk about knives, and we talk about even machetes. And on occasion, well, right up there on the wall is a couple of replicas of Confederate officer swords, long black sheets and pretty brass hand guards and all of that. They're from India, so they're not real high grade replicas. We've talked about swords a bit and I want to talk about edge weapons and lead into something else because we've talked about going to the pawn shop or you're at the gun show and over there is the standard $12 samurai sword. Literally, the guys were buying them for $12 and selling them for $35 or $45. The standard $12 samurai sword, a replica, never a samurai probably touched it at any rate. If you pick up a number of them, eventually you'll see some that are, they don't seem to go straight down the road like a sword should, Mark. They have a lean to the left or to the right. Now, it comes from someone, in training you would be striking hunks of bamboo lashed together, and the more hunks of bamboo you can hack apart, the better off you are. But someone might hack a pineapple, or one of the favorites out there to hack, Mark, is a watermelon. Now, believe it or not, you guys, a watermelon is a lot harder to cut off than somebody's head. That's kind of a morbid, we're going to go in that direction, no? Because there's some thoughts to be learned and to dwell on here. We've addressed this before because if you go back into old, tiny warfare and hacking and chopping, as Mark draws that phrase, let's let it first. How about them claymores? Now, the guy welding that claymore, he would sometimes even take a step in much like a Someone throwing a hammer in the Olympics today. You guys, it's not a hammer, it's a ball with like a steel line on it, you know, then a handle on the end of the line. But they would step forward and almost like someone throwing a shot put. Sometimes give that half turn and then bring the sword around even faster. And because it's heavy, that is a way to get a long time duration for acceleration, making it faster by the time it strikes its opponent. Now, even that strike across the neck, many times would not decapitate a person. Let's get a little finer into this because when a king would be a king, the guy who says, I have the right to behead anybody I choose, that's what kings can do. There in the Tower of London there was a big hunk of wood mark and it was shaped so your shoulders would fit in it and it was kind of shaped so your chin could rest there for a little while you were facing down kneeling in front of the person or drunkard that was about to behead you. Now this is true. I used to think it was just a block of wood, but the king likes to do things right and professionally and everything I'm guessing here. On that note, there was a fellow, the king didn't like him, and because kings can say, I'm going to cut off your head, well he decided to tell this guy I'm going to cut off your head. So the guy gets over there and they bring him over to the block and he kneels down by the block. Many of these people weren't even bound. Many of these people, knowing that they're going to die, they kneel down to the block willingly because, well, I guess it's Getting your head lopped off is much better than getting a number of spears or swords or your arm lopped off. Well, more on that in just a moment. But in the spirit of cooperation, ooh, that's a twist of that phrase, isn't it? We've talked about the spirit of cooperation in the Asian world. We'll get there in a moment. But many people would just walk up to the beheading block and kneel down and they'd put their hands on the ground on each side. Well, there was this one fellow I started to tell you about. Before I go there, did you know sometimes people would pay to have a different act man there, someone who was a little more sure and more competent? It's like getting a better umpire. Yeah, but you're hoping for one swing and the poor unfortunate is out. One cleave. One cleave, yes. Now, let's go back to that poor fellow who walked up to the block and kneeled down and nestled his shoulders right into that little carved hunk and left his chin there and put his hands flat on the floor. He didn't have any money to bribe or to pay for a real good executioner. The guy swung the axe and almost cut his arm off and it was barely hanging there. This is true. Now some in the crowd say he cursed the executioner and some say he screamed and some say he just spit at him. The executioner swung the axe again and cleaved part of his neck. Now he's bleeding rather profusely and he's trying to talk and he's breathing out blood. Then the executioner swings again and strikes him behind the shoulders. And with the fourth or fifth strike he beheads him. Now that doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun, but there's reason for this rather plain talk. Let's go over to the first, let's go back to that claymore being swung with even that half turn and a big man swinging strike in the neck. Many times that direct strike wouldn't behead someone. It might stop at the neck, it might just carry through the bone a little bit. And then he would stride beyond that opponent leaving the opponent to literally fall off of the blade. Now, let's go over to the Asian world where a much lighter sword, one that you don't think one would be when you look at the claymore, that big old broadsword, think, oh, that's going to just lock people's heads off in a moment. And granted, many of them were as sharp as a samurai sword. But now, we've talked about this. And that samurai sword is going to gain the juggler if you're straight onto your opponent. The juggler about one third of the way from the hilt to the tip. As it is being swung through the neck, it is also being drawn, much like you carve a turkey this past week. You draw that blade through what you want to cut. Now see, you're getting that ax force of the direct motion, but you're also getting the blade drawing through. Many more attempts at cleaving someone's head off can happen with that technique rather than just the chopping technique. Now you wonder why Don is even talking about this. Many of us aren't going to go into battle with swords. This is technique. That drawing the sword as it starts to strike is called follow-through. Now with that in mind, you know, you guys, the toys change, don't they? But people don't really change. And we might have to carry this to the other side of the break, but you know what? Let's talk about follow-through. Let's talk about don't blink. Let's talk a little bit about distance. Because you know what that sword did? It allowed the operator to attack his opponent farther away. If the guy that was being attacked only had a knife, well shame on him. Now this only underscores the difference between that 223 and that 308 and that 338 look cool or that 408 shy tack or, bless John Moses Browning, that 50 BMG round. If you want to stand off, you can get far enough away and we're going to talk about follow through here. I can probably finish this up before the bottom of the aisle. Give me two more minutes, Eddie. Maybe two and a half, please. You've got about four minutes before we go ahead. Thank you. Now think about this because we talk about follow through. We're going to talk about for a moment shooting paper. I shoot that paper and I can stick my head up and I can look around and I can light a cigarette or eat a sandwich or lolly gag around, spit on the floor and all kinds of things. I can look through the spotting scope and see where I struck that paper. One of the main reasons I can do that mark is because you know that paper doesn't shoot back. That paper doesn't duck and hide and run. In particular, that paper does not shoot back. Now let's talk about follow through. Because when you draw that sword, when you lay it out to use, you might get one shot at something in the real world when you're not shooting at paper. and conditions are always changing, aren't they? We've talked about drop charts. We don't need to dwell on that. We've talked about drop charts in the summer and the winter for the temperature change. We don't need to dwell on that right now. Let's talk about, you know, at 1,000 yards, you guys, at 2,700 feet of muzzle velocity, that A-Max is about 1.38 or 143 seconds from muzzle to target. Now that's right around, let's call it 1.4. 1.4. Now that's enough time. You can't light a cigarette that time, but you can bring the gun back to bear on the target. If you don't blink, you can bring the gun back together, back to the target that much faster and up the impact. Now in this instance, if you're trying to use the long sword, so to speak, and separate their mind from their thoughts, or in this long distance abbreviation of literally, if you somebody in the head with a 338 or a 50 cal. The pink cloud is real big. It is the equivalent to a long distance beheading. They drop. They're a sack of potatoes. They're done. They don't feel a thing. But you want to know in a combat situation, you want to know where that round struck. This is why you don't blink. This is why you follow through. This is why you, again, You want, boy oh boy, why do you want to know where that impact was? You want to know if the target was hit. You want to know the target is down. That's what you came there for, right? That's the moment's worth, isn't it? Remember we've talked about the workman, the craftsman, or the innovator. Go over there and he's going to lay down and he's going to pull that trigger and he's going to get up and run away. The craftsman, he's going to weasel in and he's going to find a place where nobody thinks anybody's going to take a shot from. and he's going to count his time and he's going to wait for his target. He's going to breathe and he's going to squeeze and he's going to follow through. He's going to make certain his target is... The innovator will do it in a way you've never seen before. The innovator will wait and drop two or three with one shot when you're sending big, big loans down rage like 338 Lapua, 408 Chi-Tec or 50 Caliber and you have the patience and you see that it's coming sometimes, you can wait and go for the new Michigan or the new Colorado record. Now you're getting innovative. but you want to follow through in a combat situation because you want to know the target's been hit. And if you know what, here's just as important as hitting the target. I'm certain you'll be agreeing with this, Mark. If you miss that target, you want to know where that miss went, don't you? If there's any sort of dust report impacting a vehicle around, knock the bark off the tree, the dog drops dead. It's over there. I'm sorry, doggy. But you want to know where that round went. Now I'm not talking about, you know, bang, bang, bang. I'm not talking about 100 to coming over the hill. I'm talking about one place round at 6, 7, 1,000 yards, 1,400 yards. Because when you get out to that range, you're probably going to take another shot, aren't you, someday. And when you take that shot, are you going to go back to the range and shoot paper just to find out where the impact was? so again in a combat situation you need to stress this on your spotter as well as yourself because if you pull the trigger guess what? We talk about back stops and we talk about knowing where your gun is pointed and all of those things and we even talk on occasion about don't point your gun at someone particular don't point your gun at someone on our side but All of those things go out the window in combat, don't they? Let's tie in real quick before going farther with this. Remember, we just talked about the spotter doing his job, which includes actually giving feedback to the operator, to the gunner. Now, there's another thing to take into consideration here. This is something about math formula. If both individuals, and again remember in many cases people prefer only to work in a two-man team. Well, the problem with that two-man team, and there's been more than one incident where they have been set upon. In fact, even Carlos Hathcock, in one of the contacts that he made with a Vietnamese sniper, you might recall, he actually caught both a Vietnamese sniper and his spotter off guard. Now, this is where the idea of a three or four man team or groups of, in other words, a weapons section of riflemen, slash marksmen, they spotter for each rifleman and then working in consortium, working in overlapping and an overlapping process. There's a reason for this. You create an integrated defense in depth. You have the ability to do something we talked about before which is to fire possibly a follow-up second shot. If the individual or if the target area is not identified that you've engaged and actually neutralized one of the aggressors, you can probably do one, two, three, or four additional shots from that site. But remember that the objective is for the spotter to confirm or deny that you put the bullet on target. That's really what Don's emphasizing here. In other words, if you do miss, what happened? Because by knowing what we have done is the spotter. Don gives me 3 o'clock, 2 feet. Well, I placed it at chest height. I had those crosshairs or that post at chest height sternum or belly button. And something brought my weapon up and to the right. What is it that happened? Was it my breathing? Failure to perform? Was it miscalculation with regard to wind downrange? One of the things about immediate feedback is because you are shooting that weapon and repeating the operation over and over again, it should be, you easily can identify if you actually think it through what went wrong. What do I need to do? Now, since your consistency and performance with regard to how you brought the weapon to bear on your person is correct, the next logical solution or issue is wind variance or environmental variance downrange. So, taking a second shot if the individual has not even identified in the din of battle, guys, bullets are flying in all directions in a battlefield situation, and in many cases, people, while they may identify the crack, If it's a protracted engagement, bullets are popping over you from other people's activity. The biggest thing is they may not even identify that they have a threat issue. Let's elaborate on that. Might I interrupt for a moment? Because of the death of a battlefield, you might find it's raging over there and people are calm and walking around here. Yes, exactly. Or under your gun. That's where the opportunity for at least, again, if you pull the trigger, And you only made that one shot and that one shot makes contact, your entire action has been paid for. If from that point forward you have to move, your action has paid for itself. Think about it. You have generated a casualty and that is the objective. Now if you can do more from the same single action, then obviously there's greater benefit. But the first and foremost issue should be putting that bullet on that target. In fact, be satisfied. I know that we've talked about it. If you are in a deep penetration situation or if you are forward and your job is to start to eat grit, in other words to break down the fighting force of the enemy, everybody whose ankle you have blown off, everybody where you put a bullet in his hind end or you put a bullet in the knee, you take his ear off. You know, somebody has a bullet creased to the side of their head and they are not too excited about proceeding with anything, you know. You probably rang their gourd, let's put it that way. Yeah, but I have to bring up an example and you guys, I was born in Texas early on a frosty morning. You all know what I'm saying to you. But there was this Indian. There were a bunch of Indians that were deployed in the Civil War from Michigan because they were warriors and they wanted to fight. The United States government offered them the opportunity, so they did. Now, I have this written down. I was wanting to bring this to the hour a year ago. But there was this one Indian chief. He was wind out. He was Iroquois. They were from Michigan. I don't remember what tribe, but he took his boys into battle. and they laid on his parapet for an hour shooting Johnny Rip. No disrespect. And the Indian Chief got shot in his shoulder. And he stepped back for a second and he went back to the fight. And he got shot in the arm, it was a kind of flesh wound, and he went back to the fight. And this guy got shot five or seven times, Mark, and he kept going back to the fight until he got shot in the hand and couldn't operate his gun anymore. And then he retired from the battle. That's to be commended. But now the point here to be made is you guys, I shoot some rotten son of a who's coming here to take my freedom in the ankle. He can still load magazines for somebody who's willing to take aim at my friends. And Mark, no disrespect, but if they're here to kill us, make them dead. Make them dead. Get used to it. I know the fact. You put a hole in somebody. It takes two or three people to get him off the battlefield. But you know the Chinese ain't going to carry people off the battlefield. We ordered not to. We got so many of these guys. Just... Oh, when Ahab said, leave the men that were from the smashed boat, Chinese guys probably never even read Moby Dick, but he'll say, leave him! Go, leave him! That would be standard operating procedure for them. So again, I don't mean to... I'm no disrespect, Mark, and I don't mean to counter-dick you, but shoot, the bastard's dead. Oh, the thing is, again, remember, as we said, follow-up preferred. If you're in close contact and you have the opportunity, like we said, if you hit them or even in long-range shots, if they fall back, the energy of your projectile may not have actually done that much damage with the initial contact. If they're laying backwards, follow-up with a shot to the groin or the base of the foot. Oh, run it right down the torso, yeah. Yeah, if they fall forward, as I just said a moment ago, aim for the side of the helmet. Now there's a reason for that. The bullet will follow the path of least resistance. It will push the helmet towards the skull. The bullet will slide along until it makes contact with something softer or again will proceed off of the trajectory of the helmet down into the shoulder. And since it will press the helmet, it will either splay the helmet because Kevlar helmets don't just stop bullets guys. That's not how it works. They don't redeflect a bullet like a cartoon. What happens is it's an expendable item. So, when it gets hit, it dissipates energy and cheers. typically, especially with a lateral shot like this. So it's going to start to cleave and also push. And since the only place the helmet can go is either away from the head, which isn't going to happen because the bullet's to the outside surface area, or it's going to press progressively. It takes longer for me to describe it than it does for it to happen. But the energy will press the helmet towards the head. The bullet will proceed along that trajectory until it then scuds into the neck, the side of the throat. Maybe it will clip the jaw on the way through, depending on where you've been on the helmet. and so you've shattered the jaw or at least busted the jaw, damaged the jaw. You've gone into the neck, maybe a juggler hit, but probably not depending on the angle. But if you're lucky, there's plenty of opportunity there for all kinds of horrible damage. But then it is going to cleave into the torso. And again, there's not a whole lot in there going to slow a bullet down very well. You've had to have been chopping from a distance. Yeah, exactly. You're literally, that is what they follow through. And these are shots that, again, are preferred. Remember Vietnam. The reason Pascat armor was brought about and now we've gone away from all of the rules that were learned from Vietnam. I think this is what's really fascinating. The reason body armor was brought into service and the way they built it is because of upper shoulder, throat, and face injuries slash head injuries being the most common during the war. And lo and behold, we've altered or just cut back on the lateral protection around the head. That's good. We've cut down on the side of the collar. That's, again, offering more throat and neck. So against an actual aggressor who is, say, Eurocentric in terms of rifle marksmanship, well, yeah, while they might have these idiots who haven't had any time on the field who burn the 30-round magazine every time they step out and point something at you, for us, it's going to be where will I aim. So they've got a challenge here because on the one hand, yeah, there will be people spraying and praying and so they figure out they're not going to hit much. But the lion's share of those of us who actually are planning on fighting are going to be aiming and you're not going to hear me dumping 30 rounds down range. I will be carrying something probably that will fire 30 rounds in one consecutive run simply because in many cases I'll be using a weapon where one bullet does the job. And we need to be disciplined to that. Which do you think is scarier? I mean these guys everybody expects us. Oh, you're giving the people that you will be facing are not disciplined. They will consume ammunition and do not understand the logistics the concept of logistics and logistics support. They are peasant Americans. You will be able to go in and you will conquer. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. I can already hear the BS going on in the barracks. Yep, yep, yep. And they're hating on Americans, but you know what? Which do you think is scarier? And then dead silence because you're out of ammo? Or thinking he was screaming because he never seen that happen to somebody so close to him before. Yeah, that's the other one screaming. That's the other one going, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Well, you know, but not so much because they'll be busy chucking and jiving and getting out of the line of fire. They've got enough brains that other than freezing and being the next target, a bunch of them will get out of the way. But that one that you shot first, If your objective is to create horrific wounds and to make everybody else know about it, which really mucks up one thing, there's signal communications. They've all got VOX. They've all got Star Wars signal communications. Use it. That guy's screaming into that radio. That guy with part of his leg dangling by tendon because you used the 300 wind mag on him or a .06. Come on guys, you've shot a deer. Think about it. OK, what's he going to be doing? I've heard it before. Ever seen a guy with a chunk of wood stuck through the back of his head coming out of his mouth? Part of the caisson for an artillery gun. He's still screaming. That's different. But he lived, which is really amazing. The point is that once everybody was hit, you get that dead. First you get the explosion, then you get that kind of dead nano silence for a moment. and then a wave of pain with all kinds of people in all kinds of horrific conditions. It's all slow-mo, but the sound is at normal speed. Seriously, now that's what you want to do. That's the kind of effect you want to have. Boom! And that, bah bah bah bah bah bah bah, oh no, no, in fact what really bothers them is every time they hear a boom, somebody else is either screaming or somebody else doesn't answer the radio. And I like the idea of not answering the radio, but if you are going to make them hurt, being every one of them is hurt, what they do is what happened at Waco, guys. It's just the branch Davidias didn't know. First one is screaming on the radio. They went to tactical frequency B. Next one is screaming on the radio. They went to tactical frequency C. Next one is screaming on the radio. Did we have another frequency? Whoa, where do we go now? They're going home. Oh yeah, should have never been there. And the only thing is, they shouldn't have been allowed to get out of there. That's the thing we should have all learned from that. Remember, they only wanted to talk after they ran out of ammo. They're the ones that were burning the ammo. You've seen the video, guys. Think about psychologically the different. Again, I'm going to qualify this. You hard chargers that are young spring chickens that can carry lots of extra mags. Remember we talked about dump mags. Yeah, we have our burners. Our burners keep them busy. Just like any combined arms team, think about it guys, in the den of a contact, the 0x06s and the .308s and the .300 wind mags, the .50 cals dispersed in, let's talk about what we talked about earlier, that rifle marksmanship squad. If they're deployed to the rear, they could do two things. They can overwatch and reach far beyond the range of the assault infantry. But they can also provide a devastating rear guard in the event you need to break contact. Oh yeah. Think about how you can use them. In other words, if I was a squad leader, well no, forgive me, I'm a platoon commander or let's say a company commander. My unit makes contact. Somebody miscalculates four strengths because of poor intelligence. Or we had to make contact simply because they're in motion and we've got to fight them. Because they've come to us, we didn't go to them. But we're not going to stay in contact. We're going to break contact. If I deployed a fighting force, the riflemen are not used like a squad automatic riflemen. They are used as placement control personnel. When any assault force makes contact with another, if they break contact, the other one is going to try and follow up and maintain contact. In that initial rush, they are going to try to take force, put mass on your tail. That's the basic rule. They don't want you to get away. They want to snag as many as they can and do as much damage to you like you are trying to do to them. At that point is where you have the opportunity with your heavy rifle and your long range rifle marksmanship to virtually destroy that motion, to put it to a halt instantly. The important thing is, there are two things, if you're going to use radio, this is where I don't need to double up shots. I need a rifle, and if I have 10 men in the field, I want 10 dead bodies in front of me in the next one minute. Is everybody ready? Everybody contact on my left, on my right. target, oak tree, and in other words I'm going to call out what I'm going to do, target oak tree, 300, and I'll take two. That means the two that I see right there. Now everybody else is calling out. At a given point, even if we don't get all the responses, fire. Everybody, we're not burning around sound range, we are going to put one round into that target. If we have designated two targets in an area, then we are going to fire from the same location twice. But the ID behind us also remember if you got somebody flailing around Don and waving and he's got a pistol He's got a radio he was here and he's pointing and telling those guys where to go. Who should everybody shoot first? Yeah, yeah, he deserves it. Yeah Wow, he got hit ten times But everybody's got only once when you work a battlefield in depth like this we are guarding in long reaches It that's that's tremendous, but think about with good scouts notes and flanking. When you start to flank is when you'll find a barrechelon just standing around listening to the radio, picking their nose. The thing about this too is remember that if you do this right, and here's a technique that works, I've worked it over and over and over again. When you break contact, If you don't use the heavy rifle, nobody truly knows that those people are there. They're supposed to be camoed up. They're supposed to, if need be, be ghillie suited out there. However, they're protecting themselves. They are going to stay unobserved. If you withdraw and pivot left or right, literally you can bring your enemy into what is a mobile ambush. Think about it. If you break contact, but you think the pivot is a strong base, that's where you put the majority of your personnel. Your runners are on the outside. You've already decided what you're going to do. You're actually deciding you're going to break contact and withdraw and create the appearance that you're in disarray. Again, that's where you guys, you want those young spring chickens, you know, a fleet of foot and willing to run. The idea is to give them high confidence. Now what you do is you bring the enemy in. It doesn't mean you break immediately. You fire, break, fire, break. Again, withdraw as quickly as you can, not allowing for yourself to become a target of opportunity. That means, you know, fast on your feet kids. Now, as you pivot, what happens is the aggressor has to alter its formation. And literally you can bring them into what is a mobile L-ambush. If you want to, the best way to get this momentum going to bring them into this sucker punch is to have three lines of contact. And in the second and the third line of contact you still have men already deployed who also have not made contact. They are going to be carrying light weapons or belt-fed weapons. The first echelon makes contact, submits to the enemy and withdraws. They withdraw through the second echelon and in fact pass through and the second echelon starts to contact anew. Now this is going to piss off the aggressor who is trying to gain momentum himself. The second and third echelon collapse on each other and the pivot is already begun because the first echelon has moved through the two other lines and we're not talking a solid line. This is not revolutionary war, you know, combat guys. This is a staggered line. It will take advantage of terrain. But the idea is to pull the aggressor. He wants to continue to make contact. You have to be aggressive at one point and less aggressive and submissive in the other. But the momentum has to be constant so they want to make contact. They want to make contact. They want to make contact. They want to, holy crap, Batman. I'm right in the middle of a big X. Because as you've turned, you've also brought all of your fires to bear with your mobile elements and you still have fresh personnel. Even though you've been moving, remember you've been leapfrogging. That rifle section that Don controls with those 50s, those 308s, those 0.06s, those 300 wind mags, when they cut loose on a flank, They are going to be able to follow up almost immediately as the gun recovers on a second target and a third target. Now remember, suppression fire is taking place too with volume fire from drum-fed 75 round AKs, drum-fed AR-15s, 30 round stick guns, carbines, whatever you got. Think about that integrated fire and again the combination initially here's one point I'll make in the in the combined arms battlefield Individual rifle rounds where you don't spray and pray and attract attention guys The number of rounds going down range with the distraction force are enough that they will not immediately realize their casualty production You know your production of casualties against them when you when you make contact in that L-type mobile ambush The bad guys are going to start losing radio operators. Anybody and everybody looks like they're in charge obviously. Squad gunners are a high priority. You want to destroy command and control and support. You can deal with their one-on-one troops because they're inferior anyway. They've all got popcorn part guns. They're all committed to short range. Your weapons are all heavier typically. What few you have that are equal firepower you're using more effectively to begin with because you're not going to spray and pray. You are going to aim even if you are making contact unless you're a designated volume fire person. In other words, you're going to be using it for the equivalent to using it as a squad automatic weapon even though we don't use SARS right now. We don't have full auto, etc. So you've got, again, thanks for bringing this up because this, this situation right into as a unit commander you have to make decisions now about how you're going to employ the resources you have. And to do that, you also need to train, don't you Don? You've got to be training and practicing at this now. Oh yes. And again, the difference between shooting paper and missing by a foot or shooting something that's going to shoot back you guys, you want to know where that round went because you might not. Mark, you point out windage. You point out everything. But we're only human. But we've got a couple more minutes here. Let's talk about that team a bit. You mentioned two men. We're being real careful and we're looking and we haven't been here before, but we've got a good eye and glass has brought to our attention something over yonder. We start to look and the spotter tells me, well there's the main body over there and I shift slightly and look. Now, because we haven't been here before, there are no stakes. There are no familiar, we've paced this out. The spotter says 1,440 yards, 1,500 yards. 15, 90, 15, that's 1500 yards. What are you going to do? Now both of you are right as rain all the time, aren't you? Split the difference. That rains you guys. If he's at 1,460 yards and you click in the count and you've got that drop chart and you know the temperature and the humidity and all of those things that are supposed to make that hit happen at 1,460 yards and he's at with a 50 caliber. He's at 1,500 yards. That bullet is going to scut into the ground in front of him. Unlike popular belief, 50 caliber rounds do not go around the planet three feet above the ground forever. Gravity sucks. It still does. With that in mind, the emphasis here is the farther out you get on your 223, on your 308, on your on your 338 Lapua, that 40H I-Tech, that 50 caliber. The farther out you get, the shorter your killing range is. What do you mean, Don? I'm going out 1,500 yards? That's not short range. No, the amount of space that the bullet passes across the ground in the height of your opponent, if you're shooting at a torso at 1,500 yards, that bullet is coming down. Well, it's not coming down at 45 degrees, but you see what I mean with that? You're golf balling. It's not like, man, I'm estimating he's at 150 yards and he's at 100 yards or he's at 150 yards and he's at 200 yards. There's a bullet between 100 and 200 yards. He's going to fall because again, that bullet is still running along about 3 feet off the ground, ain't it? But you start sending them downrange a ways. Your 223 is going to be falling. 308, they're going to be falling. This is why I like to send 790 yards. 50-grade personal messages because by that time when they're falling they can still fall with a bit of impact. They get the message. So again, you guys, we talk about range. We talk about drop charts and that that drop chart gets more and more and more and more and more crucial. A farther away your target gets because your ability to draw through the target becomes more and more an ability to drop down onto the target. Bear that in mind to ponder on, Mark. Interestingly enough, here, again, with most of the weapons sections that we have, although, again, when I say weapons section, most people would be thinking mortars, belt-fed guns, anti-tank weapons, you know, cruise-serve types. I would remind everybody that in the U.S. militia of 1773, and again, as we went to war in 1775 officially, rifle units were prized. Remember, when you see, this is one thing most people really don't know, a good rifle is a title or a rifleman or a rifle unit or a rifle company. It's not just a phrase for us, it's a rifle company like in capacity, it's infantry. When you see many of the unit patches that you may wear, you may have been part of a unit that was with the First Army. 2nd Army or 3rd Army guys, a lot of the subordinate units go back to the American War for Independence. These units started out as militia units that became structured to the continentals and then stayed as active components in what became the regular army or the continental army after the war. When you see the term riflemen, the reason those units were kept mobilized after the war as they started to de-escalate forces is because they were elite units. A rifleman was a marksman. They didn't have the volume fire because, well the argument was they wouldn't have the volume fire because the weapons would foul with black powder, but because they were rifled weapons they had greater range and accuracy. It should be noted that when Washington needed great assistance on the battlefield, he held specific rifle companies in reserve. And their job was to press in as a fire brigade and hit. not try to volley fire scare the object was hit and hit and hit and hit not spray and pray and miss the idea was if you pulled the trigger on that rifle you better be hitting something so yes they wanted to sustain fire and there were a number of techniques that were used but guys accuracy is what was winning the day accuracy The reason that these guys have confidence, I've even talked to the guys, they say when they hear an AK going off over in the Middle East, you know, like it doesn't mean they're not going to pay attention. But if there's nobody being hit, it's because the kid on the other side has been watching too many stinking movies and he starts out aiming though, you know, it's somebody's head. And after that, the next 29 rounds are cracking air, two and three hundred feet above everybody. Haven't you ever wondered when you look at some of the videos, these guys, it's like, what the hell is he shooting at? He's looking down range but he's shooting at about 40, he starts at normal flat aim but by the time he's done he doesn't have proper footing, he's stepping back, body's leaning backwards and the rounds are about 40 degrees to the horizontal. Well that means that pretty much everything is golf balling to somebody else's neighborhood he wasn't even aiming for. and that's what the guys are talking about. They don't see somebody hit in the first round, they're not worried that much. Now when they start hearing individual placed rounds, then they start scratching their hind end. Think about the difference between the two axes. Again, accuracy. You want to bring strike fear into your enemy? That single shot from that big boomer, especially when, well, they don't hear from Ralph now. Ralph's radio is still working, but all I can hear is, I'd say Ralph's not with us anymore, Frank. Yeah, I don't think so either. Anyway, down... You missed? You want to know where that round went. That's right. Oh, look, I got the other guy. I saw a helmet fly. Yeah, you remember you were flying laterally down the line there. Yeah, you got the second guy on the right, about two o'clock. Five quick to the left. Yeah. But the helmet and the red spray was pretty much what you wanted. It's just not the guy you were aiming for. That's all, sir. So anyway, we're a little past the top. A down number for night vision, please. That number is 2317968458. And we should be hearing the music any moment now because we are at the top of the hour for... Oh, we don't hear music. 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