November 27, 2013
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Mark Koernke discussed weapons, ammunition availability, and firearm design philosophy on Weapons Wednesday, November 27, 2013. He analyzed historical rifle designs including the French 7.5mm Mosin rifle, the P18 pistol, and the Bushmaster rifle, emphasizing operator skill over equipment. The show covered ammunition sourcing, weapon reliability, cost versus quality in firearms manufacturing, and principles of skill development including capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening. Don from Unite Vision Technology discussed night vision technology and thermal imaging capabilities.
- weapons wednesday
- 7.5 french rifle
- mosin rifle
- p18 pistol
- bushmaster rifle
- ar-15
- ammunition sourcing
- night vision
- thermal imaging
- firearm reliability
- weapon design
- operator skill
- preparedness
- colorado recall
- creativity principles
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O sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and eat God given right, and pray to God to torture freedom burning bright. As I awoke, he vanished in the mist for whence he came. His words were true, not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each god-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep, and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the f... Micro stations, CB base stations and alternate technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're in the homework network on the eastern seaboard from the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida to the arc of the Gulf of Mexico. Head of Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska. Whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Pitt the third, the fifth and our friends in Colorado. Boots on the ground gotta be there and they're setting up the real estate to make it legal of course not lawful, but certainly would be legal. All communists make everything legal for all of their mass executions, murders, and extermination programs against us. So what would be the surprise there? Anyway, turning back to the east, we sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge. For the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the mob, the Grandma Consortium of Retired Telecommunications Workers bring us the Golden Spike. Many hands make for light work, a million petty co-junctions, The ability to continue to function when everything else is offline and you better be up and online prepared with whatever technology you have. It's been cool, semi-clear, kind of cool, now with little cloud cover. Actually it will probably keep us warmer tonight if we get some cloud cover. Won't lose any of that, oh those calories we built up, what few there are. Anyway, it has been a nice day today for a late fall headed towards winter day. What is the day today? What is this special day? What is jumping off the wall up there, sir? Well Mark, it is November 27th, year of our Lord 2013. So that goes 11-13, 11-27-13. Yeah, that's it. Got it right the second time. It is a particular day and it's kind of chilly outside and the sun is just a ... oh, it's a 30 sunset look through the window. We're not here to describe it now. Well, to a certain extent we are, but hey, with a magazine between baby finger and index finger it just fits right into the well there and hey, I just touched that slide, release it, man, that's a hot gun now. And it's all mine and it's legal. Nothing's stolen about it, but man, there's one in the chamber. So because there's nobody busting through the door at the moment, I'm going to take time to drop it. magazine back out. And you know what? Here I've got that extra chicklet that was in the chamber just a little while ago. I put that in the top of the magazine and it goes on and back. And between index finger and baby finger the magazine is again and slides right into the magazine welder. We can tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and you know there's plenty more where that came from. And that means we can offer equal opportunity employment. slash coercive force for everyone. We will employ our weapon, deploy it against the enemy, and then we shall, well, terminate with extreme prejudice. That old term that, well, it used to be a catchphrase in popular back in the day. Terminate with extreme prejudice. Okay boss, no problem. It must be CIA. Well, how about we just put a hole in the bugger. There we go. We use whatever colloquial term is apropos for the era or for the era of operation. Oh, that's some. Shooting the smithereens. That's right. There we go. Wow, you got like the smithereens, boss. That's what we'll do. Well, it is Weapons Wednesday and there's a couple things we're looking for, guys. 7.5 French in every source we can find. Any and every source we can find. If you've got somebody that's a company that you deal with, if you can, if you're in the chat room, post it. We're going to do this again at 8 o'clock. But I'm trying to demonstrate that even the most inane or unique ammunition, a lot of people are going, there's none available. No, it is available, but you have to find it to seek it out. A lot of people don't know how to do that. Many hands make for light work and this way we're going to be providing a whole lot of contact points for whoever wins that 7.5 Moss Rifle that's available through the Micro Effect for the drawing on Friday. So if you can, for the drawing on Friday for the Micro Effect, if you donate $5 you get 5 entries into the drawing and that'll get you another rifle to put into your cash. By the way, the 7.5 French is an excellent stash rifle, only in that It's so beefy like all of its family of rifles and weapons made by the French that guys they don't really break down very easily. They're just big, wonker, funky weapon systems. It's really cool. Anything made before the FAMAS. The FAMAS is the present bullpup. Before that all the French designs had to be beefy and kind of Star War-ish especially since the early Let's say from the 1890s on, there was a uniqueness to French design. It had what would become kind of like later the Ray Gun look that everybody expected in the 1950s, which is really kind of cool and interesting to say the least. But they work. It would be the first choice for a lot of people for obvious reasons, depending on where the French influence is. That's where a lot of the resources are for the French and that's where they typically get dropped out. and used and are still being used. I think one of the most impressive, there's a lot of imagery that we've watched over the years. One of them that still really impresses me, and I can remember this like it was yesterday, but it's been 30 years, the battle's in Chad. Chad only has three major cities that you'd try to fight over. It's dirt, lots of dirt, desert dirt, dry as a popcorn fart. It's just like fighting in Libya or Algeria or Egypt. If he goes, boy they've really taken, it always looks impressive on a map when people in experience read it, read what they see. Sorry guys, there's nothing to hold in between because it's sand. It's all it is is sand. Nobody lives there because it's sand. They even juggle to hide him. Yeah, exactly. It's like run like hell through this to go fight for the places that are worth something. And that's what desert warfare is all about. Well anyway, there's this picture though. It's in one of the small towns and it was this Chad resistance fighter and he's got a French 7.5 boss rifle. I'm telling you to go to town with that, there's a brag by the British Enfield shooters that they could do five rounds in three seconds. A British Enfield operator, if he knew how to operate his thumb and index finger and uses his ring finger for the trigger. Guys, it used to be an old bar bet. You know, nobody could do that with a bolt-action rifle. Well, the Enfield is a real buttery action and the big push is on the close. With the thumb, it's real. It's actually quite easy. Well, the Moss Rifle has an interesting location for its bolt. I'm telling you, this kid emptied that magazine so fast that it takes longer to describe it. Wow, he's emptying the mag? Well, he was already done by Wow Empty. It was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, five rounds and a sixth one in the tube, one in the chamber. But he's like, you can't even see. And the thing is, he's in a prone position. Donnie was firing around a corner. And I'm watching him and it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and you think, oh, it's got to be making this up or something. Like maybe it's fake footage or they just spit up a film. But the kid rolls back around the corner, just rolls sideways, gets his head around the corner of the stone wall. The car of a building on an intersection is where he is. He takes a stripper clip out and jams that stripper clip in so fast. We are talking professional soldier here guys. A guy, a person who knows his weapon at least. He doesn't have to be a professional, but you know what's that thing where everybody says, well he must be a professional soldier. Now this kid is just fast and adept. He is just familiar with his tools. Yes he is and he will zip. The next five rounds goes in, the stripper clip gets dropped carefully right next to him which means I figure he is taking those with him. But he drops it straight down, doesn't throw it away like you see in the movie, he's all just flick it, right? No, he just drops it right next to him, closes the bolt, but as he closes the bolt, guys, he turns right around back to the shooting position. While the bolt's closing, his elbow hits the ground and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, five rounds that fast with a bolt gun, okay? And it was a Maas. I'm watching this and the second time he rolls back again and then he gets up and he starts slithering away from that position because he's drawing a little attention to where he was. the first 6 rounds and then he is back around the corner and then the next 5 and he puts 11 rounds down range just as clean as if you had a gas operated rifle guys. Wow. So don't tell me it can't be done. You watch this and you have to remember the adrenaline rush, conditioning, conditioning, conditioning and like you said Don, familiarization with your weapon. Yup. It's not the gun, it's the operator. We've talked about this before. It is the man behind the rifle. You see how that works? And that's the key to this. My policy has always been I'll never poo-poo any rights. I'll give you a plus or minus on it. You know, whenever we're looking at something. Well that one is stock number 2. Yeah, but I won't. I'm not going to say, oh, I don't believe in that gun. Really? I don't want you pointing that gun at me. Okay. This is how it works. I understand that maybe it doesn't even work all the time, but I do understand that it will work on occasion. So that barrel pointed to me is probably not a good thing. So I'll tell you what. Probably if we point at the enemy, at least do harm. Okay? Do something. It will scare them. We don't mind if we prefer hits and it will probably even do that. Especially if you know the weapon and you've embraced the weapon. You know what's going on with it. Another thing is cost. It doesn't cost $1000. You'll never hear me say that. Why? That's not expensive enough. Can we say Glock again? I got a Glock and it costs $500. You have a Glock and it should cost $150. Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. All you Glock owners? And they'd still be making a profit, guys. If they sold a tooth for $150, they'd be making about 100% profit. Hey, there's very few things go kachink, kachink, kachink in the making of a Glock. A lot of things go... It's like toothpaste tubes being squeezed all at once. Just thinking it that way. You know, from all directions, right? Because in an infusion mold, right? Yeah. It's got a little heater on it so it cooks the polymer while it's in the mold. So it doesn't go when you take it out? Yeah, exactly. So again, don't brag. Sometimes it's just, well, what the market will bear. Now, it's one thing if it's a brand new arm and it's made by craftsmen. Again, they demand because of the quality, the amount of work, labor intensity. Half the battle is paying the man that knows how to do it. If it's a skilled craftsman that's carving something or engraving something or he's a custom tuner and he's got this down to the point where it might take you three hours and it will take him ten minutes. That's because the man knows exactly where the issues are with a particular pattern. He's done it all of his career for the last two or three years. He's done another weapon before that and another type of weapon before that. Now he's on that model 700 or that model 70 or that new Ithaca or whatever. Well, when he's tuning that rifle or that shotgun, guys, that's all he does. So it's not for him where he's changing out. When he does a production run, he knows what he's looking for and if he's making a AA or AAA presentation weapon when he does that carve and that cut and he does that customization, yeah, you pay for that. You do. And you should. Because it's kind of like, I'll put the analogy out there that we've always joked about before, it's like the guy has a boiler problem. and he calls the boiler man and the building is all cold and the boiler is not working and the guy has gotten frustrated with the equipment and of course he finally broke down and called the boiler operator. The boiler operator and the maintenance man comes in, looks at the problem, goes over to his big tool bag and the other tool box and looks at it and pulls out this little half pound ball peen hammer. Walks over, looks at a certain valve, taps it twice, All of a sudden everything starts to chug and rattle and you hear the kshh and bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah. All of a sudden the boiler is working. He goes, how much is that going to be? He goes, $500. The guy goes, that's an outrage. He goes, well, it's not knowing what's wrong even. It's knowing where it's wrong and being able to go and do it. You see? So what's it worth? Well, you couldn't get it going. Again, it's knowing where, how long it will take to build up the skill and the ability to do what you're doing. That's what you're paying for when you're paying for manpower. Now some things like Don were just talking about. Mass production, you still got to pay a guy so he does it right. And yes, there is a level of skill, but you're paying for levels of skill and you're paying for a new product line. That's a little different story. But winter revolution equipment, surplus equipment and piled up stuff, If you understand, it's purely charging what the market will bear. Also, the other factors tied into that are, even with the wage issue, is devaluation of the currencies and all the other fun things that have created economies and societies for years. So that's part of the factor and we understand that too. That's why I've talked about this. It's like the SEGA rifles when they came in. They hovered at $200 dollars forever. I mean literally forever. They were stagnant on the shelf. We started mentioning them on the air. They started moving. We pointed out and everybody got a chance to shoot more of them. The guys who called in said, man I love my SEGA. All of a sudden more people are buying SEGA's. A lot of people listening right now still have their SEGA rifles or their SEGA shotguns and they ain't going to get rid of them. They're not going to toss them out. Why? Because they know how they work and they know they work well. And they paid a lot less for them than the people are paying for what few sagas are left now. Yeah. Okay. Think about that. That's because of a combination of not perceived but true value acknowledged. Somebody would say perceived value. Well, no, there's more to it than that. Once everybody realizes, an unproven system has to get out there and show itself. And there is a question mark because for every one system that we find that might work well, there are two or three out there that are kind of on the question mark. Somebody trying to sell you. Yeah, they're trying to sell you something. They're not trying to present something and they don't even have an interest in the market per se. Or they're pressed because on the one hand they had a good idea and they might even have been part of the market at one time or were part of the market even a short time ago but they had never done a complete system or a whole project like this. and while they had an understanding of it even when you work in a production facility the problem is you can't do the big fanfare. There's a balance. You have to try and get the product out so you can have capital to make more goodies. It's that simple because you have overhead. Most people buy into the mega overhead which is why they end up with this kind of a problem but a gun shop, a gun maker doesn't need all the fanfare and flair. Basically you're looking for power and space. You need energy and you need space for the machinery. And then of course the skilled tradesmen there to do the job right. And to do the job over and over and over again consistently because that product is going out to somebody when they pull the trigger it better work. And I think my favorite is the P18. I still come back to this one. An example of a great idea, improperly executed and trying to take advantage of the market of the day. The P18. Now the P18 was a beautiful pistol and I'm serious it was it was a beautiful idea 18 shot guys 18 shot 9 millimeter semi-automatic handgun Wow yeah, yeah, that's that's a machine machine pistol slash hand cannon isn't it you see oh yeah You what it doesn't have in the way of knockdown power with the round it makes up for in terms of an 18 round magazine internal magazine It wasn't a window. It wasn't a It was a conventional but from the pistol grip magazine fed semi-automatic pistol. Made up towards Chicago, unfortunately for them. The idea was really cool and of course it was about the time the AMT backup and the hardball were coming into play. So stainless was the big thing. So the guy figured, well what's the big deal working with stainless? I'm sure that's the attitude he took. I mean, anybody, we can work stainless. So they put this gun together and never did it. I hadn't seen this crude. Since some of the guns I saw that were brought back from Pakistan from the low end of the industry Okay, because there's guys that brought back stuff as war trophies from Vietnam, you know, they bought them over there They were handmade and guys if you've seen them there the only you can tell if you've got a machinist I you can see that there's little imperfections are not quite perfectly, you know Rounded here and there because hey does that outside finish make any difference? No, does the gun work? Oh, yeah every day Well, the problem of the P18 is that it was both inside and outside the same way It was interesting, it was all stainless, it was a neat idea. What happened is it got out there and it got to the point where one of the tests, the guys actually were firing it and firing it and trying to get it to fire. They had stove pipe, they had reverse stove pipe, in one case I had never seen this before. It got such poor reviews because of reliability from the magazine to the chamber. that the last picture you see, and some of you might remember this article, the guy's got the weapon by the slide, he's getting ready to throw it at the target, arguing that this is probably the most likely way that you're going to hit or do damage to an aggressor in a serious situation. Well, the P-18 faded off and you'll see them floating around and if somebody tuned them a little bit they actually got them to work, it's just that they were not finished. They were not finished well internally as far as the service areas were because they were working with stainless and they didn't know what they were doing on top of everything else. Well guess what? Stire. Now Don, you recognize Stire? Oh yeah. Big name. They turned around and by the design and produced the P18 out there in force. It just hit back in the old 90s. in an odd window when all these other super tech weapons were coming out and they wanted to push the Glock. But the weapon was built and some of you may see these at gun shows. Hell, some one of you might even have one of the weapons. Now the one thing they didn't do, they did not do the design in stainless. They did it in carbon steel. What they do, in other words, nobody were working stainless so they didn't go to stainless. They worked with carbon steel. The design is flawless. If you compare a P18 to the Steyr equivalent, two totally different weapons in terms of fit and finish. Two totally different worlds. The sad part is it was because again the guy wanted to go to stainless because he knew stainless was marketable. That's what everybody was going into at the time. He fumbled the ball on that and damaged his reputation accordingly. Now Steyr built this and the weapon worked. First time every time. In fact the basic magazine fits from one gun to the next. So you might find Steyr mags laying around. You won't find P-18 mags laying around. An example of a weapon where the execution, the marketing of it, oh they get great marketing. They had it out there everywhere in the survival magazines. They had it out there in the shooting world. They wanted to get it moving fast. And again it was under the premise that if you like the hardballer you would love this. And if you want a big magazine here you go. Now the magazine idea itself is a cool idea and where the guy got the idea from, well let's think about this, he's over in Northwestern, just on the edge of Chicago, just above it right there where all the little factories are, all Jewish mob. And basically down what he did is he took the Stenkin design, which was an interior police KGB machine pistol guys, in a unique caliber. He turned around and built it in 9mm here. That's what he did. Of course the Russians couldn't say anything because they didn't have any. The weapon was a specialized firearm in a unique situation. It had select fire, tribor, select fire, shoulder stock, all kinds of fun stuff. The P-18 was looking at the design. Apparently they had one. They either smuggled parts in or they specked it out or they had the prints. But basically that P18 with the Stenkin, the Stenkin had a large internal magazine capacity. They even built some extended mags so it could carry up to 50 rounds. It was designed for crowd control or for, again, secret squirrel operations. or kick the door in and spray down the room and assassinate all of the people who don't like communism. Today it was the equivalent to the Mac-10 on the other side in terms of what niche it had. But it was not a spray and pray gun. It actually was very accurate and it did not have the boxy clumsiness of the Mac-10 in terms of the basic design. It was not as heavy and it was very controllable. Everybody who shot it, and people I know who have some because there were some that did come in, Very few. OK, very, very, very, very, very few. They've all said that incredibly comfortable to fire, very easy to operate in all modes, and the Russians knew what they were doing. The P-18 and the Steyr are now part of the weapons history. I don't know that I've seen any out there in recent years, because whoever has them now look at them as collectors items. Even the P-18 and its mystic way has become a collector's item. There was an excellent window of activity in the early 80s where a lot of neat new firearms designs were Patriot Arms. Bushmaster came out first with a light rifle that you don't see very many of them laying around anymore if you do grab them and maintain them but also save them for patterning. Bushmaster's original rifle along with their bullpup pistol It was a unique design that had its own frame, its own stocks, but it used M16 internal parts where it was critical, AR-15 parts. Triggered to open such? Yes, and it used AR-15 maggots. So all the critical, wearable and expensive parts to make were based upon standard US military parts available. That was a very intelligent move and it would be an intelligent move today, that's what we've been talking about. Down the 3D guns. So to speak, component construction. Yeah, the 3D gun idea is interesting but as I pointed out, guys, why do you need to make it look like anything anybody would recognize on the outside? Learn to do something real quick here. Slab it out. Number one, it's plastic. If you add more material and just bulk it out, make it look like a toy truck. Yeah, exactly. What Bushmaster did with their original rifles, they were flat slab sides. They were very square. They were very, you know, wherever there was a need like for the magazine release, which was M16, they machined it accordingly. But beyond that everything else was flat. In other words, minimal surfacing, minimal finish. The only thing you're worried about is wherever I need to make the machining work or the holes work for my AR-15 parts, that's the only dimensional issues I have. And needless to say the magazine well because I need to make it fit AR-15 mags. So the advantage of the Bushmaster is that here was another rifle that was one third the cost of an AR-15. When Bushmaster first came out with their .223 rifle it was one third the cost. I could arm three people for the price of one AR-15. Now as soon as everybody found out the Bushmaster rifles were out there then they went up in price to about half of an AR-15 but you could still buy two for one. So I could put two men in the field, the sights were the same, the magazine well was the same, everything for the basic, except it was a side charging handle which was really cool. And a lot of people like that because you had direct contact with the bolt That meant that you could actually move and have physical control over the bolt, unlike the AR-15 with a charging handle. That's the one feature that the Bushmaster didn't have. Also, it was a different recoil system. It didn't have the buffer tube issue, so that changed the rear machining of the receiver too. And, of course, meant that they had a separate stock system that they used, including a folding stock if you wanted it. So, the Bushmaster had some really interesting design ideas, but it also stuck to basics where it cost money. And for that reason, it was half the price of an Air 15. Now, there's no reason for that not to be done today. And the Bushmaster design reinvented with CNC machinery? Oh, it would just kick butt and take names. Basically, the AK meets the Air 15. By the way, the gas system was AK. So, you know, the basic system. So what we have here is a really neat idea that was taking the best of all the features that everybody kind of wanted and Bushmaster thought would work. Now, Bushmaster had a number of innovative designs. Now they're pretty well tired and, you know, they're all, if you say Bushmaster, hey, first everything everybody thinks of is an AR-15. Yup. So what does that tell you? You see, where they were innovators before, they, company faded off into just running with a herd. Part of that is because of the troubles and the pissing around that happens with the bat faggots and the government manipulating design concepts. In other words, it's cheaper and easier just to crank out what somebody else is doing because that way they can't say anything about your rifle. If you just make it exactly the way that Fred, Ralph, and Biffy are doing, then you can sell all the rifles you want. But if you make your own design, they're going to try and piss with you because it's an American design. It also is, of course, innovative, unique. And it may actually again be cheaper and there is a formula there. They plan on you spending so much money. Look what happened to the cost of weapons here recently. The idea is to burn resources. That's why I've been picking for years these weapons that are more reasonably priced but are comparable. Parts are available, magazines were available and or it's fitting niche for a certain class of weapon that we need to have because we need battlefield superiority not battlefield equality. We at least want battlefield equality. At least. But preferably we want battlefield supremacy, which is what I've been emphasizing for years. I'll accept the idea of equality, or again, certain weapons are for certain people, certain niche weapons fit or make sense. The other thing is understanding the logistics train. When the 7.62x25 ammunition came out in force, remember what I said, Don? It's an orphan round, guys, buy all of it you can when it's coming out as military surplus. You'll notice the government hasn't been letting any more of that in. Uh oh. There's the aminies, huh? Oh, let's see, Snafu is saying that, uh... I'm going to turn it down earlier because Henry and the guys were up and I had it at about the same level and they usually run hotter than you guys. Uh oh, so we got to bring ours down and Spike goes up? No, that's well. Yeah, if we turn it back down Spike brings his back up is what he does, right? Yeah, you're coming in loud and clear on live 65. Appreciate that. Yeah, that's what Ed was saying. We're sounding good. It's just Indiana Free and Talk radio for Spike. He might be listening. 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But anything and everything helps or anything any way you can pitch in, we appreciate. libertytreeradio.4mg.com. You can go there and then go to the donate key up at the top of the page. All the information is there. By the way, before we go any farther, we've got Don with us still, I hope. Yes. Here we go. Don, we haven't done this yet and we have to do this every hour that you're up. Unite Vision Technology. You have it available. Guys, while you're dealing with a stranger when you can deal with a friend, the prices will be comparable if not superior. to typically what other people are offering for the similar or same product, not always the same in some cases. I remember there are other companies out there with different holes but the internals are still kind of the same. What have you got available and how can we hold you, sir? That's a good point to touch on there, Mark. Every first generation piece in America, unless it's a PBS2, has a Russian heart. It has a Russian tube in it. made from hudowl or night guy or whatever, the heart of the device comes from the same factory. So it's just a matter of who has the better glass or who has the better parameters like will this hold up to what type of recoil. And then you go over to things like the ethereals, like well maybe I'll need a warranty and maybe my device will last for years and years. source warranties that Russian tube for two years most people only warranty that Russian tube for one. So that's a confidence builder right there. If you want to... oh wow before we get away from that first generation. That first generation discussion I still have available that first generation gun sight 308 capable it is 2.8 power I'll put it right in your mail box for $429. right in your mailbox. That's a delivery and a two year warranty and an integral gun mount and an aim point and all the things that you need to call it a gun sight and the guts to live on top of your M1. You can reach me if you want to talk about that device at 231-796-58. Again, 231-796-88. the standard you guys goggles or gun sights green screens or thermal I can put a piece of thermal in your pocket for under two thousand dollars and it would come in real handy if you're working with a bunch of green screens right now or if only you have is one green screen and it's a gun sight. Wow it will solve problems like what is that? Answering the eternal question when you point your gun sight at something is that technology's man oh man you're going to be certain that that's a target. That's another way to look at it, no pun intended. Hey, my number is 231796845823179658. We can talk about goggles or gun sights, you guys. Green screens are thermal. We got a few minutes till the top of here. You guys, we talk about getting better. We talk about, you know, at all kinds of things getting better. And I'm going to base this bit of thought line out. You guys, I'm going to go back to the Scientific American. on the mind and it will be the winter 2014 edition. It's right off the bat. You can go out and buy it for yourself so you know that Don doesn't just make this stuff up. We really don't. But there are certain basics that I'm going to invoke some words that people don't like in this like psychologists and people who study the human mind. That is a rung in the ladder to making a better mind. Or that is, hey that's an escalator right there. That will get you there quicker. But some of the things that have come out from study over the years are really basics and easy to recognize as truisms. Now we've got this one guy here. There are four people talking about creativity in this one article and how to get better at it. Well, letting your creativity soar is the name of this article. There are four people throwing thought lines into it. You might wonder why we're going in this direction, but follow along with this because they describe mark, they describe capturing. surrounding, challenging, and broadening. We're going to elaborate on those four words here in the next few minutes and a couple others too because one of the people here in this little committee describes morning pages. Sometimes it will be as much as three pages of long handwriting about anything. Like, I don't care the way Fred talked to me at the office, or I need to get the card checked, or forgot to buy my kitty litter, or they don't look like they have to do with anything with creativity. As we put these worries, which are daily soundtracks for most of us down on pages, we are suddenly much more alert, aware, focused, and available to the moment. This is the word there. This is a Weapons Wednesday. Sometimes we get going in so many different directions that we get a problem developed somewhere and we forget about it until we need that and we go back to it and recognize that that problem still exists and we haven't fixed it yet. It's a good thing to write things down. We've talked about keeping a journal over the years, haven't we? Now, with that in mind, this is a Weapons Wednesday. We're going to expound on this a little more. We can do this in the next four or seven minutes. The basic principles, again, capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening. These are ways you guys to make your creativity just blossom, they say. And you wonder, why would you talk about creativity, Don? But let me elaborate on that capturing. Preserving new ideas as they occur to you, and doing so without judging them. The person who is bringing up this paragraph here goes on to elaborate about someone else who talked about the morning pages here. That gives you the perfect example of capturing technique. Only it's just capturing general things in the morning pages. If something is wrong with your gun and you write down, I need this, I need that, I need the other thing, by the time you get to the gun store you still remember. You don't even have to remember. It's written right down right there. Another way to talk about capturing is, wow, you guys. We overlook this in many ways. But we've talked about building drop charts for your gun, haven't we? Particularly if you shoot a gun that reaches out as far as the eye can see. Now, you can build a drop chart. There's nothing wrong with building a drop chart for your .223, whether it's a bolt, gun, or a semi-auto, because not everybody's going to be in the same place at the same time, are they? And the conditions aren't always going to be the same. So when you start talking about building drop charts for your guns, It's not just yardage that's involved, right? Some of these things are so hard to remember that you need to capture. Well, the difference between a 25 degree day at 600 yards with your 223 or a 85 degree day at 600 yards with your 223. So capturing is a good thing. You guys should be writing these four things down because we try to get better at everything. This is a standardized way of getting better. Capturing. Now again, you've built drop charts, you've built notes on this and that. Capturing is a pretty good way to work outside of your brain, writing things down. The next is challenging, giving ourselves tough problems to solve. That can go back over to building that drop chart. Or if you're starting to get way out there, you guys, and you've got a 100 yard drop chart. If something is at 650 yards and you use a 600 yard zero on it, you are not going to hit that target. If you use a 700 yard zero on it, you are not going to hit that target. If all you have is 100 yard increments, you are going to have to start doing some figuring there. That can be kind of challenging, can't it? There are a number of ways you can challenge yourself with your gun. Shoot moving targets. Shoot targets at undetermined ranges. Challenge yourself. Learn to estimate range. Sometimes that can be a learn the wind. Learn the wind. There's a challenge right there, isn't it? Learn to range without any mechanical device and learn the wind. Let's go over here to the next one. It is Surrounding. The author here says surrounding which has to do with how you manage your physical and social environments. Mr. Shim used to say, I used to train under Mr. Shim, the highest Taekwondo instructor in America. ranking Taekwondo instructor in America. He used to say, you guys, this is the perfect explanation on how to explain surrounding. Mr. Shim used to say, if you want to be a black belt, it's black belts. It's that simple. If you want to be a better gunner, hang out with better gunners. If you want to learn how to reload, hang out with a reloader. Find somebody in the neighborhood that's a reloader and learn, and learn, and learn, and learn. Now, we could go on with that surrounding because, well, man, oh man, you get in the right places and your knowledge just goes forward like a steam train, doesn't it? Now, you guys, we've hit on capture, challenging, rounding, and you know what? Let's talk about that broadening. Have you ever been to a gun range and looked at somebody else's gun and you're standing there watching it and looking at it and you're trying to study the action or how it works or how the operator You know, addressing the gun. And he looks at it and says, man, you want to shoot this gun? It's happening to a great extent, isn't it? You're moving in your knowledge, your ability to something that you're uncomfortable with or something that you want to learn in another direction. And all of this, now you guys, this increasing your creativity could be writing, it could be in your gun world. Creativity in a fight, you guys, is what wins fights. How many times have you heard on this hour you show your opponent something he's never seen before and in that instant, in that moment, that minute, that hour, that day, you have the advantage, you have the ability to win. So with that in mind, I hope you wrote those four words down. Capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening. And if you practice these as principles, you'll get better at almost anything you want to get better at. Almost anything you want to get better at you will get better at if you practice capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening. Another thing that one of the authors went on to talk about was taking a walk. If you come up to a problem, now you guys, this almost seems ridiculous in this venue because if somebody is shooting at you and it's a problem, you don't just want to get up and take a walk, do you? Because that might be the end of you. But, you know what, when people walk they often begin to integrate the insights and intuitions that they have had throughout the morning pages and outings. And that's not my words, that's one of the authors here. Now what that illustrates, and how many times have you heard us talk about centering? You guys, centering might save your life. The ability to fall back to your basics, the ability to fall back on your training, the ability to catch your breath when you are out of breath. That seems impossible, that very statement right there. But you might not be able to catch your breath centering the ability you will have and gain in practice to the ability that for a moment, for an instant, you can overlook the fact that you are out of breath and take that shot or that you are out of breath and meet the next threat no matter what it is. That comes from centering, doesn't it? And there are so many different ways to find that, that just in peace times, taking a walk, gathering your thoughts, You might not have but an instant, like a lightning bolt, even portions of that, to gather your thoughts in a fight, centering the ability to shake off everything that's happened and recognize the instant right now and be in it and live it and deal with it. Centering, again, might save your life. These are just little tips, you guys. Again, capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening. And with all of those, even using those, thought lines, capturing, surrounding, challenging, and broadening to be able to learn how to find your center better, how to be creative at that. The process of understanding all of the works, slash the processes that Don just described, is regimented by discipline, is brought to bear through discipline. Remember we've talked about not cutting corners. There are techniques that can be perfected, but it requires discipline. Yeah, W.R.K. One of the things about how people, example is we've been talking about what they're now calling quote-unquote, they're trying to make it frivolous by calling it the knockdown game. It's not the knockdown game. It's blatant wicked evil thuggery. It's the same old garbage different day where you have knuckle dragging idiots, useful idiots, fools or people with a criminal mind who have plugged in an agenda and are executing it. Well, all of what we're talking about applies to dealing with your environment to ensure that you don't become one of those victims, people. Think about it. And on the battlefield, you stay victorious. You continue to engage, you fight, and you fight to win. Go to the top. Bow your number for Night Vision Police. 8 4 5 8 by the way the individual if they were after guys in Colorado they were gonna recall Don she quit Oh, no, kidding. They're having the government lots of money and lots of frustration Yeah, that's what the Democrats can reassign another person to the same job as what she did because she was going to be voted out It would have been a recall election Guys, they need to just put another petition up as soon as they find out who the next monkey is in the in the in the monkey machine They go after that person, male or female. It's the Democrats who did this, not the Republicans who did this any better, but the Democrats didn't go after them. God bless the republic. Death to the new world order. We shall prevail ladies and gentlemen. Empires on the run. But we are on the march both day and night. Hoorah! Kick em in the fly and beat em down hard. And don't let em back up. Use the board and the nail in it. Don your number for night vision. We have to close the spring. It occurs to me marked dead action in Colorado. She'd occur under the heading. Both the dudes out. And they're absolutely- Yeah, number 2317968458. Thank you Mark. God bless ya. God bless ya America. But I make sure that I get my share. And those kids just stand there waiting for the ones I miss. 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