November 27, 2013
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59m
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Mark Koernke and Darrell Sivak discussed AR-15 rifle building, ammunition sourcing, and preparedness during the second hour of the afternoon broadcast on November 27, 2013. They covered polymer receiver options, barrel availability from suppliers like Elliott Brothers and MidwayUSA, and strategies for building affordable semi-automatic rifles. The hosts also addressed Colorado's recall of anti-gun Senator Evie Hudak, who resigned to allow Democrats to replace her with another party member, and urged listeners to continue recall efforts against her successor. Callers shared updates on ammunition availability, government ammunition contracts affecting civilian supply, and rifle-building experiences.
- ar-15
- polymer receivers
- ammunition shortage
- elliott brothers
- midwayusa
- colorado recall
- evie hudak
- gun control
- rifle building
- preparedness
- second amendment
- concealed carry
- deer season
- militia
- self-sufficiency
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You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On the land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm, so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. And keep our country deep in debt. Put men of God in jail. Harash your fellow countrymen while corrupted courts prevail. Your public servants don't uphold the solemn oaths they've sworn. And your daughters visit doctors so their children won't be born. Your leaders send artillery and guns to foreign shores and send your sons to slaughter fighting other people's wars. Can you regain the freedoms for which we fought and died? Or don't you have the courage or the faith to stand with pride? And are there no more values for which you'll fight to save? Or do you wish your children to live in fear and be a slave? Oh, sons of the Republic, arise, take a stand, defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the land, preserve our great Republic and each God given right. And pray to God to torture freedom burning as Iowoc he'd vanished in the midst from whence he came. His words were true, we are not free, but we have ourselves to blame. For even now as tyrants trample each God given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside to dream while you were asleep, and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave? Is this still the land of the free? Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. This is the second hour of the afternoon Intelligence Report. I'm Mark Krunke. and I'm Darrow Sivak. One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, north, and northeast. Well, ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on Liberty Tree Video dot 4MG dot com. We're on AM & FM microstations, CB base stations, and UltraNet technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're in the hallmark network, an eastern seaboard. From the top of Maine to the bottom of Florida. From the bottom of Florida, of course, Colorado to the Gulf of Mexico. In Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Fitzhugh the Fifth and our friends in the Civil War state of... slash the recall state, but that just ended today. But it's going to have to start right back up again though. Colorado, waving to the left coast where Feinsteinism and Diperstain Brown continue to spew Soviet socialism across the landscape, the stench, the excrement, the depretus, the filth of Soviet socialism continues to help to promote the beachhead for communist Chinese and other forces to have boots on the ground for the foreclosure on the dead of America. We understand exactly what they're doing. Everybody else, look and make sure you've got your glasses on. He's got the glasses on! We've got one that can see! Well, back to the east. We sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge for the restaurant crews, grandma teams, okay teams, and the Ma Bell Grandma Consortium of retired telecommunications workers. Give us an opportunity to use an independent system called the Golden Spike. The two trains coming together and the Golden Spike, remember when everything was connected guys? That's where the name came from. It was not because of the Golden Girls in the Cleveland area, our three ninety year old technicians that are helping us with the 70's, 60's and 70's Civil Defense technology. No, no, no, no. We're talking Golden Spike is in railroad. Well, I'll tell you what, Darrell, it's called Oh, old here in Michigan, but it's supposed to be, it's fall. What's it like in your neck of the woods, sir, and what is jumping off the wall there? By the way, shouldn't Bambi season be there any moment for ya? Uh, comes in Monday. Two weeks of it begin to be the annual deployment of the Pennsylvania militia. And, um, it's, uh, hmm, and it's snowing. We ate it in snow last night, and... We're calling for about 6 to 8 tonight. It'll be a nice night to cozy up to your significant other. Here we go. And again, the date today is? The 27th of November, 2013. Our Bambi season of course is preceded, small arms fire both shotgun and rifle. But the big thing is this is rifle season. If everybody has high part rifles this is where you go out and shoot Bambi. No discussion about casualties. I haven't heard anything or seen anything that has jumped off the wall. I'm sure we'll get some numbers but people almost completely ignore that. Now they kind of do that as if this is what it's dangerous to go out hunting. And it's like really, we had the case this morning we're just going to the grocery store In the one guy's case, we're going to the 7-11, the stop and rob, as we jokingly call it. Well, it turned out to be true. Guy, of course, walks into his store and he's trying to buy something. Here's some fool with a gun with everybody in execution posture on their knees. He's got a gun to somebody's head. Well, Guy probably pulls a CCW. He's a concealed carry weapon individual. Pulls out his weapon and says, hey, just stop what you're doing. And the guy turns to shoot at him. and he dumps five rounds into him. Well the family of course is. Oh my goodness poor, poor, poor, poor Izzy. He just, he just, all he wanted to do is steal from people. Why did that bad guy get in the way of his thievery? Oh this is an example. What about, what about the oppression of the black people? Blah blah blah blah blah. Seriously, this guy's a thug. He's got everybody on the ground. He's got a gun to somebody's head. and No, he's in the hospital guy dumped five rounds into him and he's lucky to be alive because apparently all five rounds hit target So he's in the hospital recovering so they can put his arsh and jail, but here's the kicker He was already busted for this before apparently and or similar affairs over and over again And he was just doing it again because after all you can get away with it Well, you know practice makes perfect. Yeah, so they yeah, it does for the guy who of course the care was carrying his concealed weapon and Again, the problem I have is a lot of these characters will figure, well, shoot the witnesses so that there's only one side and my side ain't going to say anything. So having everybody down on their knees and a gun to somebody's head, well, you figure it out. If you're close enough, you just gave the skull in with a ball peen hammer or anything that got handy and then used his own gun on him to pistol whip him to death. That would be your best choice. But, you know, again, that'd be cool poetic justice. But, again, the idea you had a handgun, you used it properly. So don't worry, deer season, everybody out there at least is basically looking for Bambi. Go to the party store and you'll have people hunting you. But they don't mention that every day. It's like, well, so what about all these crooks? Isn't it more dangerous to be in the urban areas than it is to be out hunting deer? It's safer to be in the woods with 100,000 people with guns or 200,000 people with guns than it is to be in a store. We've got to have range high powered rifles on top of everything else. Think about it. We've got to call her. Who do we have? Hi, this is Shawn in Seattle. Go ahead, Shawn. Get in there. My daughter had to qualify on the gun range. She did her job at the arms store there in Tuckwillop, Washington. She and her buddies were having a competition yesterday with putting a target down range at 30 feet. She put a nickel on the target and she shot the nickel off of 45 at that distance. She's only 18, so I'm pretty proud of her. Excellent. That's the size of a 45 round, so you kept it on the target. That's cool. The pop. The pop. Actually, how many feet? 30 feet? 30 feet. That's what happens. Yeah, that's reasonable engagement range. That's anywhere within a room basically is what you're looking at or anywhere in a party store. There we go. You've got a real party store, you'll hit anything you're aiming for and not have to worry about the person who has the gun to their head. The person who has the gun to their head is hoping you'll shoot the bugger that thinks it's going to get away with whatever murderer may have. So that's cool. Go ahead. Oh, did we lose shots? Must have left. Might have. I heard a blip there a little bit. Well, congratulations. That's again good. Good dwell. You work on a range, you get a little extra time on the range. Needless to say, that helps a lot. It really does. We had a, years ago, we had a similar incident in Meadville, but it only happened at a jewelry store. Three guys come in, tied the owner and the salesmen up, and then proceeds to shoot him in the back of the head with a .22. The owner survived with hardly any known handicaps from the from the wound but the sales bin was permanently disabled and those guys are still sitting in prison as far as I know and that's been about 15 years ago. People in town here wanted to lynch them but they got them out of here quick enough. You know something to be said about a good old-fashioned lynching once in a while especially when you got a repeat offender like Washington district of criminals. Oh did I say that? Yeah I did you know. I do want to put something out there for people out there that may be looking for 5.56x45 SS109 ammo. Elliot Brothers down in North Carolina. Now you have to have a storefront to be able to order from them. But if you don't have a storefront and you've got a dealer that keeps saying you can't find any ammo They've got lots of it at the present time I was just on the site yesterday they have a new inventory list there 600 round cans and they had a number of how many cans they had it goes 99 plus so they have more than 99 cans of the SS 109 and 62 grain Lake City and its dealer's cost is right around $250 for the 600 rounds. So that is really a good buy considering it was up to $900 a thousand, $1,000 a thousand there for a while. So if you're looking for SS 109, get ahold of your dealer, have them get ahold of Elliott Brothers down in North Carolina and have them sell them out. They also have it in smaller quantities too. I think they added in some 500-round cans. talking with one of the guys here that bought I guess nine or ten of the plastic, the polymer receivers. He was looking for additional barrels. He got six of the barrels that he needed and all I could tell him is, well, here's the problem with, there's two ways to go. He's building a complete gun from scratch, you know, including the upper receivers in parts and that's a little more work but it's not hard. Once you get going at it guys, I really don't want to poo-poo anybody that's doing it because they're gaining experience. and that's building new armorers. We need more armorers out there. We need people that want to actually learn how to build. And if you do an AR right now like Aries Armor dot com, A-R-E-S-A-R-M-O-R, they've got some close outs. They've got some Black Friday stuff coming up. I don't know what's going to be going on there with the prices, but be prepared for that too because everybody's going through that ritual. Well fine if they do, you know, take advantage of it. But A plastic polymer receiver for $75 for an 80%, no papers on that, it's a Liberty receiver for the lower, but they've got BLEM A3 uppers. Now without they have any left by this afternoon, I don't know because they've been selling out stuff. They sold out of their $100 apiece bolt carriers. But the upper A3 platform, the air platform type top guys with the Picatinny rail is very versatile for a lot of you guys who are going to put optics or night vision on the same weapon. You unscrew it and put the daylight on for one point, take the night vision off and then reverse the process when you go into the evening. The neat thing is that these were like $39 for the BLEM uppers. I don't know if they have any left, Darrell, but that's the best price I've seen for an upper in a long, long time. The BLEM is this. Apparently they made these for a company that didn't pay up on what they wanted. So they took a tool and they ground off the logo for the company. That's the BLEM. Now I think I could live with that. I can live with a scratch anyway. I don't give a squat what it looks like on the outside. I'll take spray paint and cover it up guys. He won't rust. He won't oxidize. Just seal it up. I will remind everybody again, the old armourer's trick, they made the equivalent to hard nails fingernail polish for blems and scratches. They were in like a color that was close to the anodizing but not quite. It had kind of a purplish tint to it. My Hydramatic, the rifle I carried, was rebuilt just before it was issued to me when I was in the military. It was a Vietnam middle war weapon made about 1969 from the Hydramatic plant right down the road here. It probably was finished in 1970 by what I could figure out by the numbers. Anyway, it was reconditioned and reconditioning meant that it had been scratched and beat up in the field, carried around, probably, who knows by how many troops. And before they reissued it, they cleaned everything up, changed out the extractors, you know, and other critical parts. And what they did for the outside of the receiver is just painted, and all the guns that were in this lot were like this. They just ran little fingernail paint over top of where the scratches were. You can paint the whole thing but they want that anodized finish for the donor to destruction rifles. But for these BLEM guns or like this one where you have a BLEM upper like this, that's not a BLEM, that's simply a modification because somebody didn't pay the bill so you're getting the same receiver you paid $70 or $100 for the upper and you're paying $39.95 for it. buy all you can until they run out. Now if you're going to go that way then you've got to look for barrels. Well what this guy says is, well man I've got six barrels but I've got so many more to build. You are going to have to look around because everybody is doing this and either they are building it up because they can market the whole gun. That ain't up a big chunk but a lot of people have decided war is coming. They have built or they have worked with ARs for a long time and so you are competing with a lot of other people. Now this is where like I told him the balance is whatever part you have don't worry about it but look for whole uppers. look for the cheapest hole upper you can get or if you can't find the barrel you wanted buy the next cheapest barrel to put it on the receiver. In other words, he wanted 20 inch barrels, he found a little clutch of A2 barrels that were reasonably priced and he got all of those that he could. But he was hoping to match up the rifles. I said, well, if you can't go with a 20 inch, go with a 16.5 only because you've got to suffer with it. And that seemed to be what they're cranking out. You could always change out that upper to another upper with a longer barrel whenever you need to. Although my logic there is with a plug and play AR-15 is every time you've got an upper that's complete, go finish another lower. If you want to make more 20 inch barrel guns, do it. But if you've got those uppers laying around, put something underneath them. That's the one nice thing about a piece of junk called the Air 15. It is a neat piece of junk in that you can keep mixing and matching parts and make more and more and more of them. If a plastic receiver dies after so many thousand rounds, starts to tire out for whatever reason, guys you got what, $75 into it? And all the parts unplug from the rifle and go right into the next plastic receiver. But for a lot of people, they're not going to fire thousands of rounds out of their weapon. Radio operators, truck drivers, people who are support personnel, your family, they need air 15s. You want to build air 15s cheap. You don't want any paperwork on it because you don't want the communists looking for it. The communists want to try and track everything so they can confiscate everything. It's the only reason. They're already doing it. We've already seen it. So all their lies, they can throw out the window. Now, because of that, you need to come up with solutions. These AR-15s, I would not do full autos in the ARs anyway. I do semis. You'll be killing at your enemy. The enemy you're going to put down is going to have what you want in a select fire weapon this time around because they've got more magazines loaded with stuff that will go in the select fire. The cool thing is the weapon you're carrying, if you're going to be using just equity, the weapon you're carrying is comparable for performance. All the parts are interchangeable. And their magazines work in your rifles too. It's a plus plus either way. Just think about that. The other thing is build what you can with what you can find, but build it for the cheapest. You go to the middle end prices because we've bought out all the cheap stuff. Then if you have to suffer going to the higher priced stuff, it's because it's all that's left. More expensive doesn't mean it's all that much better. It just means somebody is better at marketing. That's one of the things to remember about some of the stuff we see going on. Those pellets that Darrell's talking about that go in the magazines, Well, you've got to put that little pellet through the barrel to make it work right, guys. Well, those bullets, that ammunition, those loaded cartridges, you need to keep accumulating. Even if you haven't built the gun completely yet, you better be buying ammunition every week. That's simple. By the way, Darrell, when's your next gun show, sir? Well, the next one, believe it or not, is Thanksgiving weekend here. This Saturday and Sunday coming up over at Ashtabula, Ohio. It'll be the last one at the Catherine Rose Party Center. After that, it'll be at the fairgrounds. But I usually don't do this one, but since we have some family problems, we're not going to the mountains until later hunting locally. So I'm going to do that show. But that's at the Catherine Rose Party Center over in Ashtabula, Ohio. Very good. And that's this Saturday and Sunday. Now real quick here for everybody out there listening, let's remind everybody that you want to put a face to the, you know, to the voice you're hearing on the air, then you might want to show up at the gun show and say hi to Darrell. You can even donate to Braveheart Radio. If you've been listening to Braveheart Radio, how about you donate to Braveheart Radio? Batteries, hmm. and Oh, God. Oh, the pain. My ocular collectors are hurting already thinking about it. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I see it on the air? Oh, man. I'm sorry. We did have several... I mean, we did have a few people tune in and they thought we were even funnier on camera than we were off camera because they could hear us trying to explain what we were doing when we were doing it before the webcam went into place. It's kind of hard to get the visual effect, but now they get the visual effect to see it at the same time it's happening. It's turning out to be quite interesting. We had one guy come up to us. I heard a boy come up to us. Go ahead, Darryl. Somebody else was talking in the background. You jump in there first. Okay. We had one guy show up at the gun show down in Hermitage, this last weekend, named Mr. T. He talked to us and he said, I've listened to you guys. on your archives. I've listened to your show live when I can get home to listen to it. But he says, I made it home to watch your premiere broadcast Saturday night. And he says, I thought you were crazy beforehand. He says, but I know you're nuts now. And you were having way too much fun. We're supposed to have fun while we're waging war. It's the idea. That's exactly it. And the enemy, the enemy money, they hate it when you laugh at them. Remember that folks. They're totally cruel. Keep your cool and whenever they try to give you a bunch of bull crap just laugh in their face. Ha ha ha. So you say. Ha ha ha. And you'll find that will even agitate them even more. And agitation is good. Again, stir the pot. The bad guys hate it, especially since you kind of demonstrate what's really hiding beneath the water for the edge of the top of the bowl there, guys. Ew, look what's down underneath there. Ah, look how disgusting that is. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, we got, do we have a caller? I heard a voice in the background. Hey, Mark. Go ahead, jump in there. Who do we have? This is Phlem in Georgia. Go ahead. Just calling. I heard you talking about your LOS 15s. of and you can google search that. You know, magazines are findable internals. It varies. Some places have them, some don't. But they were doing this and have been doing this with kits and designs coming in. You'll notice they're having them cut up anything. Even the HK kits coming in have been coming in with chopped and lopped barrels in four pieces. ARs, AKs, you notice the M16A1s that have all been coming in as kits, the barrels are gone and that's an edict. There's no law that says those barrels need to be destroyed. That is a guideline from the back baggots through executive order. That's why that's been happening. Again, even with the HKs, if you find them typically you're going to have to have an American barrel that you're going to purchase. although there are some imported barrels because their stuff is still stashed away all over the country. The magazines they build, they build good mags. If the standard mag is great with the HK, the problem is that most of their civilian marketed guns, their unique designs that are buggers and they never send enough mags to the US and it's always intentional. I've watched that with HK for 40 years, except for their HK91, they couldn't do anything about that. And the Model 93s and the Model 95s are all consistent. That's because they're mil-spec guns and there's always enough surplus, or at least eventually there's surplus that shows up as we've seen. The AR mags, HK has built a number of weapons like everybody else where they're now using the standard AR-15 type mag in whatever configuration. It has to be interchangeable to everybody else if they can for marketability. That's a cool solution. They know how to build mags. The problem is they just won't build them for us. The big problem is the US government and the Germans have their say about a lot of stuff too. Exactly. They are manipulating it behind the scenes too on top of everything else. They are right on your face now. That's the problem. They are right out in our face. I'll tell you what we are looking for and even down to your neck of the woods guys. Barrels, surplus barrels or the cheapest affordable uppers. Anybody, if you spot something, go into our chat room, you can post it there. Or again, announce it on the air here because we're looking for reducing the amount of time it takes for people to turn around, pick up the stuff, clean the place out, and get the guns where they need to be in the general population's hands. The guy here local, like I said, Well, he got six barrels and those weapons are put together and he's been firing up one of the polymers. They're not blazing away, but they've been doing a steady function test on this 80% receiver. They finished, all of them they finished, but the one is a test bed and they see no difference. The one thing they have that we haven't done yet, I've got to get back with a couple of our friends in the .50 caliber world. They were going to take a couple of these polymer receivers and put them underneath the .50 AR-15 type uppers. and fire them to see how they affect. And I don't think there's going to be any problem with that. Again, unless you do some major abuse issues, as long as you follow instructions to build the, you know, take the 80% polymer receivers and do what you're supposed to do, they should work just fine. Well, let's see, this year 2013, back before the turn of the century, I can say that now, back before the turn of the century way back when, a guy brought out the Polymer receivers uppers and lowers. And those weapons functioned flawlessly, but then they disappeared from the market. And there were no problems with those rifles. The men that I know that have them, The guy wanted an outrageous price and I said right off the bat, just like the Glock, those guns sold for $1,100 a piece. Polymer upper, Polymer lower, air fixture type flash hider, which immediately when they realized that he put that out there, they forced him to weld them. The second generation had to weld the flash hiders to the guns. Why? Well, you see, the newer, this is something nobody thinks about, although you see a little bit of information on. Most of the latest silencers are all built with pneumatic air release type fixtures. So rather than a thread on the barrel and worrying about everything, lining up and the threads being too coarse and the flash attaching, that's why flash headers have such tiny threads so that they don't have any variable in terms of pitch. So when the bullet comes out the end it's uniformly passing through the flash distributor. What this guy did is he applied his silencer technology to the rifle he was building and that told me that this was a spook and coop gun when they first came out. His rifle weighed 5.5 pounds. He had to put a commercial length barrel on it to sell it as a rifle in the United States, but he was selling it to the government in a Kar-15 configuration, a shorty shorty. But he used the pneumatic release type hose fixture as far as how it was built, so his silencers would go click right on, and then he could take that off, and he made a flash hider that used the same pneumatic system, and he could click, put the flash hider right back on the gun. Well, after the first ones came out and the first time I looked at it, I went clicking and took it off and said, this is kind of cool. And he goes, oh yeah, you ought to see what I build to go on this to replace that. And he had five of his silencers there because he built them as contracts for the government. and quick he put them back on. Well a light rifle, 5.5 pounds, same firepower as any other AR-15, then they all disappeared. They made that disappear from the market and for obvious reasons. Well the lowers have come back out, the uppers have not, which I think is rather interesting. And it doesn't make any difference. Aluminum uppers will work fine for what we're doing. Personally it's nice that it weighs lighter but I don't really care. The big thing is that again for people who are older, younger people you are trying to teach, a 5 pound rifle is a perfect combo kids. You still get the same fire power you can grow into. If you are a younger person you would grow into that rifle especially with an adjustable stock. But you can also switching it out to a full solid stock once you are an adult. So it's solutions guys. Anything else George or jump in there please. The only other thing I was going to say is you talked about barrels, people needing barrels. MidwayUSA has, I know they are 16.5 inches. They are fairly inexpensive, about $150. There we go. Again, I appreciate that. Midway Arms or Midway? MidwayUSA. MidwayUSA. Thank you. MidwayUSA.com. Yes, and they have, now the one thing with those barrels that they don't mention in the description is they're not cut for the standard front sight tower. So you do a clamp on or have them cut little foot. So guys that are thinking they're going to get one and slap it on and an A2 sight tower on there. There's obviously, as we all know, there's ways around that. Interesting. Again, remember to ask about that too because if we see it floating in one location, chances are those barrels are in other locations too. Yes, I think so. I've only seen them there but I haven't looked really hard. I just built a rifle on them, a real light weight number with it. They work very good. They have chrome lined which is a $150 one and they also offer a non-chrome lined for $100. There we go. work fine. Again, clean your weapon and very little of anything out there is going to be corrosive in 223. The precision and cleanliness of the barrel of course with chrome is a plus if at all possible. But if again we are looking at shaving down the price to put more rifles together, the $100 barrel would be the way to go for the time being. Just to get more weapons on the shelf is what we are looking at. Here in Georgia, even in the humid summer, they don't seem to be an issue without the chrome lining. Okay, well the chrome was originally what Stoner proposed and in fact he built. They went away from that to save money. They went away from the chrome bolt carrier to save money, but also because they didn't believe in don't go it was either bright chrome or no chrome and rather than brushing it which everybody in the industry later would do the military when it first had the bright chrome in Vietnam you got lots of sunshine the argument was that that shiny chrome bolt once the dust cover dropped it was it was actually reflecting light well duh we knew that For the Air Force though, the way it originally stoner designed it, that wasn't a problem. The bright chrome and the hard chrome bore ensured that the Air Force who typically wouldn't clean their weapons would be able to pick the rifle off the rack and it would work first time every time even if the last guy that used it didn't brush the weapon up. So, that was the whole idea behind chrome with the AR when it first came out. Now, the next logical step for the barrel, not a problem. For the bolt, which I got people doing Boron and all kinds of other neat finishes or, again, final products, the brush chrome works just fine and if all else fails, it's not the first best choice for everybody. But you just take your spray can of whatever paint and just do it with one bump. on the side it's going to wear off but on the side that it's exposed that'll be enough just to cover it but it won't interfere with operation. It's a dirty trick, I mean as dirty as it is and it's going to have to be cleaned up but it works. If you're really concerned about it, it works. That's for the ones that have the bright nickel or the chrome or whatever you got now that's got some kind of light finish. I don't think it would be as much of an issue. Go ahead. There's another possibility for Beryl's There used to be a company down by Pittsburgh called ER Shaw and they would make barrels for anybody that wanted them and one barrel to 100 barrels or to 1000 barrels in any configuration and they would have them already threaded and chambered or whatever your specifications were. I don't know if they're still in business but I would assume that they probably still are. That's an option for people to try to see what they would charge for running them up, making them up some barrels. Just another option. By the way, before we go any farther here, I want to just remind everybody, I mentioned it from passing. This is going to change direction for just a moment. Evie Hudak, faced with recall, resigns, but not present at supporter rally. That's in Colorado, guys. the next one that they were going to recall. Now she resigned for a reason because if she resigns as they knew she was going to lose, then the Democrats get to reassign another Democrat to the same seat. Okay, so I'm going to read this real quick. Democratic State Senator E.B. Hudak has resigned her seat to forestall a recall effort launched by constituents who sought to oust her from office for her support of gun control laws passed by lawmakers last spring. Basically, what they did is to try and sidestep the issue so they could still keep a Democrat in there because they only have one vote over the Republicans in the Colorado government right now in the Senate. Now, my attitude on that and pass this on to everybody in Colorado, recall the next one they assign. It's the position and the party that did this, so those people and any Republican who went along with the two needs to be recalled and fired also. That needs to be a policy. But the demicon here that was flapping her mouth, she figures she's just going to side step the issue. Now whoever goes in to replace her has the same brain. All they're doing is putting a different corpse so that another mouthpiece can flap the same BS the first pig did. So what you do to the next one is what you were doing to the last one. Whoever the peckerwood is they put in there, they need to have a recall petition. You've already got the machinery in place, just plug it in again, do it again. If she wants to quit or it wants to quit whatever quitter they put in to replace it, do it again. It is the position, that party's position that caused this issue to come forward, there's nothing that's changed. Just because the pig that left is gone, they've just got a pig from the same pack going in to replace the pig that's walking out the back door. And of course the piece of trash didn't want to be up in front of anybody, not even the supporters, I'm so upset. Well, what you didn't want to have to do is answer questions. So the bottom line is, get ready to recall the next one, the same as the last one, there is no change and nothing is. The direction hasn't changed at all with regard to operations, so guys you don't change yours. Colorado, be ready to recall the next, and as I said, get a whole bunch of petitions together and go after that governor the same way. If he wants to resign good, when he resigns, go after the next one. If they are going to assign another pig like the last pig, just keep going after the same pig pack. That will work out just fine. Anyway, just wanted to get that in there so everybody can look around and do a little follow-up on it. The swine has left because the writing was on the wall and the pig figured it couldn't survive an election. They wanted to make sure they entrenched another one of their yahootie swine in place and they will. We will find out who the next ring knocker is they put into that position. People out there in Colorado need to, as soon as they know the name, start running a petition to recall that fool the same way. That will get it done. Anyway, Georgia, anything else? Well, we might have gone to mute. That's not a problem for all our listeners. Guys, if you don't have to take off, you can just go to mute and listen in. Darrell, again, you're going to be aware this weekend. Gun show up in Ashtabula at the Catherine Rose Party Center. That will be the last one there. From then on, it will be held down in the fairgrounds, which is about five or six miles down the road. You need to try and get hold of this guy. They need to use a private location. You know the problem with the fairgrounds is that you then have manipulation by the county or if they're anti-gun whoever, whoever you've got in the government, want to try and fiddle with it from that direction. That's what they ran into with this Catherin Rose Party Center. It was owned by a private organization. Then they sold out. It was the new buyers that caused the problem. There are not too many places over there big enough to handle a show. We were at that place for... Oh gosh. probably 10 or 15 years without any problems then all of a sudden, oh well hey this is a gun show, this is the time to stick it to these people, show them who's boss, so anyway. He probably will be looking at trying to get off the fairgrounds but he wants to keep the schedule of shows going as much as he can so that's... Right, yeah, I understand what you're saying. That's the philosophy right now, take what you can get Keep the shows going, boot the other ones in the ass, take their money away from them, and don't even get them in the currency of a reach around when you leave. Yep, exactly. And remind everybody, don't go there anymore. They obviously have an agenda and it's anti-gun slash anti-American, so we understand that. So if they want to press Soviet and political correctness, treat them accordingly. And we got another caller. Who do we have? Oh, this is Fluffy. Oh, we got two voices. We got Fluffy. Fluffy, jump in there first. Go ahead. I was wondering if you have a web address for the Elliot Brothers. Would that be dot com? Just punch in Elliot Brothers on your search engine and it will take you to them. Okay, and that was like 250 for 600 rounds of SS-109? Yes sir. Now like I said, you have to have a store front in order to order it from them. If you do, then they'll take your application and sign you a dealer's number and then you can order and like I said, $250 I thought was a pretty damn good price for 600 rounds. Yep. Is it? Go ahead. Nowadays a very good price it seems to me. And isn't very accurate on them. Well, it's Lake City production. It's Milspec. It's within standard military specification for performance. Lake City is a government arsenal. The only thing is, for whatever reason, them cycling the ammunition in and out, which is when the head doesn't know what the tail is doing, overrunning production or transfer to somebody else and then sold separately. It can be any number. Who knows what the Renault Revolution companies are doing with that. Or it might be just because we're winding down in Afghanistan and Iraq that they have a bunch of ammo. This way they'll sell this and then we have money to buy more ammo for Homeland Security, Zikayo, so that they can continue their hoarding. And speaking of which, I got on a website last week to CCI trying to see if they would have any information or anything as to when They would be having any 22 rimfire ammo available because they are one of the biggest producers of rimfire ammo. And strangely enough, they had on their site there that they had just signed two contracts with the government. One was with the Navy. uh... four million plus dollars for ammunition for the navy and i believe it said it was forty s and w had not heard that the navy had switched yet but maybe they are and then another seventeen and a half million dollars for forty s and w for another government agency and i forget which one that is uh... uh... lost my notes on that but uh... they said it would be these two contracts will take them to twenty 18 to feel. So for whatever you want to read into that as to how soon ammo, 22 ammo is going to become available, well there might be an inclination that we might not see much until... Yeah, if they're absorbing it guys, that's where it's going to be headed. Yeah, I mean if they put a contract like that out, then it'll be prioritized. Now the only good thing is if they are forced to a setup like that, if they can get the contract run done fast enough, we may see an overrun on that. We may get some of the overrun off of that. We'll see what happens there. And we end up with the call. Fluff anything else? Not at this time. Thank you, Mark. Very good. Elliot Brothers is who we need to search out. Guys in the chat room, if you want to, post Elliot Brothers for everybody there. And that way we've got a link. I think I heard another voice. Who else do we have? Hi, Mark. This is Tim. How are you doing? Hey, very good, sir. What's going on? A couple things. I do believe that ER Shaw is still in business, but any AR barrels that they may have probably will not likely have the barrel extension on them. That is a fine consideration as far as I know. The whole barrel extension is for their barrels. Is there gonna be brass case or steel? Do we know? Yeah, the grill up. You know, the Mexican Eagle stuff. Right, exactly. But, actually, that stuff... It's made for executing the population. Always remember this, there's only one big company in Mexico. It's all run by the government. That's all there is. They're all communists. They were communists since 1917. It's the communist government Mexican system. So if they're building ammo, it's for them to shoot the peasants. So it will work. Remember that they make piles of carbine ammo. Think about it, the general population doesn't have carbine and that's where you're still finding tons of ammo coming from. Why? Because the Federales have a lot of carbines, the families that have money have carbines and a lot of other weapons, so they build lots of carbine ammo. 22 is the same way. They got 22 for their people, not for the general population, so they build it well. Years back they used to make what they called a a quad load bullet in 22. It was a hollow point that broke into four pieces when it made impact. That was pretty good shooting stuff. I don't know if they still make it, which they probably do, but I don't know if it's still being imported. That's something to look for if you have time to search the Agreely, it's a Remington of Mexico. It's all Remington tooling and again, they took one of the Remington plants and shipped it down to Mexico and that's what's been cranking out the stuff down there. They're carving ammo, they're .22 ammo, they're .380 Auto. Everybody else is having a tough time. They still make a lot of .380 ammo and that's really what kind of filled in the blank. Remember here about 10 months ago again. The Aquila stuff started to show up. Not the CCI and the others couldn't keep up, but they bled a little bit in and they took advantage of the market. All their stuff is brass case. Now the reason I mentioned it, it sounds like you were saying Tula, is that, oh I've mentioned this before, the Russians were building steel case 22 and dumping it in here cheap. And the only reason I can see that not happening is they've been told not to or they're being blocked. because the Russians, their 22 plant, I mean come on, what would be the big deal? They got lots of slave labor, or at least minimal cost labor. The ammo worked, I mean we picked up, I think I've got two 5 gallon buckets of steel case Tula from where somebody shot it over at one of the ranges here and just left piles. I mean they kept coming and shooting it because it was so cheap and I didn't have but one or two pickups where somebody dropped a cartridge. You know, where you got the individual rounds. and those planked off when the guy put them in his rifle, both of them fired after being left out on the range. You know, they were probably a week in the weather and that included a day of rain. So I wouldn't have any problem with the steel case if it showed up, but the problem is we're not seeing any and that's weird in and of itself. There's a lot of chicanery going on behind the scenes with ammunition. Massive amount. We're not going to hear most of it because everybody is afraid of talking. I'm hearing bits and pieces but everybody is afraid of talking just like when the computer companies were told when the CIA and the rats in government were spying on everybody. Well you won't tell anybody or we'll get you. Well the same stuff is happening with the ammunition companies. We gave you a little government doggy treat to keep you busy, to shut up. They used to do this with the battery companies years ago, the same way, all the battery companies. When people were looking at all their energy back in the 70s, anytime somebody would start to build a battery or try to build a battery, they would come in, the government would come in and tell them, you don't do that because we don't want that. And then they'd have them build some inane government contract battery that they'd turn around and buy and then two years later throw out. They didn't need it. They technically had the specs for it, but they didn't need it, but they just tossed it. This happened over and over again. That's why again with these government contracts on the AMMO, the only good thing with the balance would be this. If CCI or any of these companies crank out a big government contract, usually they're allowed to at least go 20% over on that run. The government has the option to buy that. Typically they won't. And if they don't then they can sell that right off the bat plus they're already set up for 22 You know when a production run they won't stop. They'll just keep running it for a while So we could benefit from that in the long run, but in the short term or midterm It's going to be them taking everything they produce So that'll be the other thing Any any air 15 stuff out your way right now in Wisconsin or anything you've seen jumping off the wall there in the way of cheap? No nothing There's really nothing It's nothing cheap out there anymore. It's ridiculous. I mean, you know, I mean, you used to be able, just a couple years ago, you used to be able to actually 9 millimeters under a six block. Which it is by comparison. Now there is right now the real quick here, the guys in the chairman posted this. AIM Surplus has 16 inch Mossberg OEM barrels. for $100 a piece guys. Again, they are in the raw, well they are blued or whatever finish. It looks like a phosphate or blued finish, can't tell because of the picture, but it is a finished barrel. It is with a car length gas system, so it is the shorter gas system. Keep that in mind too. It's a barrel for $100. If you get the upper for $39, there's the barrel for $100. Progressively with what few other parts you need, you should be able to put that together for about $158, maybe $160 for a complete upper. Go minimal, simplest, cheapest parts to get it on the rifle. That's the thing. Flash hunters you can buy used. I'd go just with a basket, nothing fancy. Gas tubes are going to be about, you can get them for as little as about $3 a piece for the shorties to $5, somewhere up around $6 or $7 for the hyper, you know, super stainless, extra thick. It varies depending on what you are looking at. You have to buy quantity to get the better price but like our friend is doing, you are doing 6, 8, 10 rifles at a time, then you are going to buy quantity. You want to try and get the quantity price to get the price down. So again, there is a solution. Hand guards, I go the cheapest, punky hand guard available. Oh no, you need the latest with Picatinny Ritten. No, I just need a simple. Car 15, shorty hand grip for that particular barrel and that's all I go with for now. If I get a fancy one later or build one up, fine. But right now the idea is you spend minimal cost in all components to get the most weapons online for what's coming. That's what we've been talking about for years and right now there's no, right now, well I guess you can buy that single barrel for $99.95 or if you look around you might still find a negot for the same price. There's where the math formula works. I was like, hmm, if I have an A-God, I can shoot a black uniform knuckle dragger and I can get his rifle. And for the price of $100 and another $60 can't handle, a lot of people can use it. I'll give it to the next guy and give it to the next guy. And eventually, we'll all carry their rifles. So that's the other option. But a lot of people like the AR. We know we're going to need more weapons. And again, I like to see the learning curve. Remember, develop your skills. Anyway, we're almost to the top guys. In fact, we are at the top. And this is the last afternoon broadcast. Tomorrow is going to be a day off. Do you have anything else before we take off, sir? No, not at this end. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody and Steve Frosty. Very good. 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