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A-men at the micro station, CB base stations, and alternate technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're in the hallmark of an eastern seaboard, top of Maine, bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida, because it's arguably off of Mexico, head of Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both Pitt III and V, and the Seven Sisters. Colorado, the recall state, and on the edge of the battle, only a trigger finger, a squeeze away from open warfare. Waiting for the left coast, we turn back to the E-Sweep Cross Plains, leap over the Virginie Backs, Mississippi, and one of the Smokies, where the restaurant crew's ground teams, OK teams, and my beloved ground mixers can bring us the gold in the spike, the third leg of our alternate signal communications replacing the internet. Don, it's gray but it's actually intermittent. Right now it's clear again out there. It's black, it's clear. Most of them out there in a little bit. It's got lots of moonlight. What's it like in your neck of the woods and what is the day today, sir? Oh, it's pretty dark out here, Mark. It's all overcast and the moon appears as just a glow in the clouds on the 20th day of November, year of our Lord 2013. And oh, the cat didn't like that and they left my warmth in the lap. A cat in your lap is almost as good as a blanket across your leg. I'm going to do this. I'm going to be a little bit easier on the extractor. So the magazine is in the well, and you know what? As soon as that jumped up, I touched that release at the same time. And everything just moved forward. So I can't tell you that, well, the magazine is in the well. Well, I can. The magazine is in the well, and there is one in the chamber. And I'm going to drop that mag out, and I'm going to, hey, down and back goes that cartridge. Some call them bullets. And the magazine between baby finger and index finger goes back in the magazine well and now we can tell everybody it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and there is plenty more where that came from. And I've never done that before Mark. Insert the magazine so violently that it actually moved the gun frame and touched the slide release at just the right moment. The magazine went home and so did a round. That was pretty neat. I'm going to have to practice. But it is Weapons Wednesday. The perimeter is secure and you know what? There's plenty more where that came from. Interestingly enough, we can now offer equal opportunity coercive force and there should be no doubt about what the end result will be because we've already made the decision about what we're going to do to the bad guys. Now, as it is, real quick here, for everybody out there it is Weapons Wednesday. A reminder that there's a number of different sources for certain rifles. The M77 Zestava rifle in .308, which has a 20 inch barrel. There are a number of solutions out there. Most important is do the math with the magazines combined with the weapons. Some of the sites are offering three mags. Some are pilfering the mags off the rifles and offering, actually it probably came from the jobber that way, but only have one magazine. Spare mags are available, but I think where the spare mags came from that are for sale is from the extras that came into the country. Whatever you can find, grab spare mags always if you're going to pick up a weapon anyway. But, kind of do the math. If the mag is going to run $23-$28, which is expected for any of these unique magazines that are for battlefield type rifles, then If you figure it's $28 a piece per mag and you're paying maybe $30 more for three mags than if you just bought the rifle by itself, well you've saved money guys. You've saved half the price of another magazine, or of two mags, is what it comes down to. So you've made your money, you've definitely made it worth your while, they've made it worth your while to do the math and come up with a formula that makes that the choice. However, a lot of people have been buying these up and they're starting to figure out, hey this is a decent little rifle. It overlaps with the Sega, it overlaps with the Vepr, it is of course a .308 weapon, so it is a NATO standard weapon. It is an MBR, I would treat it as a sniper rifle slash a placement rifle at this point in time. I would highly recommend that if you are going to look at the weapons, start looking at spare parts. The RPK family of weapons are where a lot of the extras can be found, but firing pin extractor and ejector would be the first priority in terms of parts immediately. I would be hunting those down and I would be procuring them now. It would be a good compliment with that 1911. The 1911 that you just heard is the perfect little hand cannon to deal with problems and you don't have to spray and pray and you don't have to dump two rounds on the target. We went to 45 ACP so you wouldn't have to do that. Everybody understand what happened here? Conservation of force. Guys, we went down to 9mm. Most everybody doesn't really understand this. I'm not talking about recently. I'm talking about 100 years ago. More than 100 years ago, because of smokeless powder, the argument was we could make cartridges smaller and faster and faster would make up for weight. Well, there was a balance here as far as issues go with the velocity delivering energy against the target. And so the 38 Auto, which is the precursor or the equivalent to at the time, 9mm Parabellum, though it was a bigger cartridge. In reality, it was more of a 9mm Largo, as you would find in Europe, a 9mm Largo type cartridge. A little longer than regular 9mm Parabellum with comparable performance to the 9mm Largo cartridge, which is a little longer so it's got a little more powder. Even with the increased powder, the ball round used in the 38 Auto did not perform as well. Gee, and we went full circle on this with the 9mm Parabellum in later years, guys. It was decided it wasn't delivering energy. Those boxers that were in China that were doped up on opium didn't slow them down unless you hit a vital component and you had to be right on target with it because it worked like an ice pick. Or like breaking your spinal column. Yeah, or taking the brain pan out, which of course with the bobble head that's coming at you, wheeling a sword or a spear or jumping on you from above, well, that might not suit you too much good. Again, the morals were no different in the Philippines. I was motivated, typically opiated up to dull the pain and allow them to continue to attack. Several incidents where individuals were shot multiple times in the Filipinos are not that big a person to begin with, guys. It doesn't mean they aren't strong. They are. They can be. Any population has individuals highly motivated that also have strength compared with brain power in terms of the energy to focus on you and try to kill you. It was decided after several demonstrations where the 45 put a target down with one round, that maybe it would be a good idea to go back up into that particular range of performance. And they did. The rest is history into World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. God bless John Moses Browning. The point being that the 1911 is now coming full circle, although they've got a whole bunch of other gimmicks of guns so they can market more guns, so they can sell stuff. Mostly foreign companies can sell you a gun that tries to compare with the 1911. It's that simple. I mean there are many other 45s and of course I just pissed off all the Glock owners out there in the world. I know that. But the bottom line is you should be able to buy 4 Glocks with a price of 1.911. It should be about a $140 gun. Yeah, so the whole thing is hype. Otherwise, great idea for what it was meant to do. The 1911 fit into a very different niche. In fact, it would be closer to being looked at as a Dragoon pistol. to be quite honest. In that cavalry pistol, which it was intended to be used as, but with the amount of firepower available for the time and with the energy deliverable, it became not just a standard but a demand standard. Everybody wanted it. In fact, so many other countries saw how it performed that, well, they didn't buy the company, they copied it. You know, it's like Remington, I like to say, well so much I bought the company. Well, they like your Nike 11 so much, they just knocked off a copy of their own. Okay? Something to think about there. Now, do I have 9mm Parabellum pistols? Oh, hell yeah! Have I owned them? Lots of them. Were they cheap? Well, that's why I bought them guys, because they were military pistols, very well made. Serviceable enough, but I understand the performance specs for each of the weapons that I'm carrying, if I have to carry one. The 1911 is the first choice in, along with any other weapon that would be a comparable large boar. I'll be quite honest, I like the old charter arms bulldog. It was in 44 Smith and Wesson. It was only about $89, brand new out of the box guys, and a five shot They stub each other with a 3 inch barrel, a little bigger than their undercover in terms of barrel length by about an inch. The undercover had a 2 inch barrel and that was touted as the lightest, smallest 38 special in the industry period. The Charter Arms undercover is still a good gun. Nothing wrong with it. Just don't put plus B's in it. Load it with 38 special, 158 grain semi-wad cutter or 148 grain reverse wad cutter. It will cut holes in you all day and it was designed to be a hideaway gun anyway. Well the Charter Bulldog was the next step up and in 44 special it delivered comparable performance to the 1911. What about a little less than half the weight guys? In fact almost a third, almost a one third the weight in terms of size. So it was a very handy pistol. In fact a lot of people started carrying it and it started to eat up the market. in terms of for undercover guns for people who are casually carrying a pistol because of its lightweight good knockdown power five shots were reasonable you're not trying to get into something but you may want to just put somebody down real hard well that was the purpose so there's another gun that actually fits the niche and if you do have one don't go out of your way to sell it but Man ammunition for it should not be more expensive than 44 Magnum. This is what's really stupid 44 special is to 44 Magnum What 38 special is to 357 Magnum and yet right now Don a box of 38 for give me 44 special is going to run you eight to Nine dollars more a box and 44 Magnum Wow, and there should be no reason. There's no reason for that guys In fact, I would argue that the same die that's producing that .44 Magnum is produced in the .44. We've got some kind of .44. Thank you. There we go. Anyway, the .44 Special should be about $4-5 per box less. It should be cheaper. Now, there's another one that we bring up, the .44 Magnum. And I've said this now the other day. I've got it. Whatever rattle rifle I'm choosing, the hand cannon. I have no problem with a single action revolver. Why? Well to a degree it kind of forces the shooter to actually think about what he's doing and here's another consideration. If the man probably is carrying a .44 single action or .45 long Colt single action pistol you might want to think about the fact he probably really really really knows how to use it. He's been paying attention to it for a while. He likes it. And it may be like you said, worry about the guy that carries one gun. That's not me. I have to I have to or doesn't skip Talbot. That's a skip Talbot quote you guys. That's a world champion. Yeah, who says watch out for that guy who only carries one gun There are a number of reasons why Skip would elaborate and say he doesn't have to split his attention between two or three or four guns like some people coming to championships and what not. He has mastered that weapon and taken it to its full range of performance. A lot of 44 Magnum single action Black Hawks are out there. a lot of 45 long Colt, EMF and other copies of the Colt Peacemaker are out there and even real peacemakers. I mean after all guys Colt did make a lot of real peacemaker pistols and they are all over the country. Okay and they are going to come out of the woodwork. Don't sneeze at them and I sure as hell don't want to get shot by them, nor does anybody else. Oh you wouldn't want to get hit with one direct in the chest even if you had a chicken plate. Yeah, oh no. It's like the old saying, you know, but it's not in the chest. Junior never was the same since he got kicked in the head by the mule. Exactly. Oh you'd be, you'd be sucking for a breath. You'd think a mule just kicked you in the chest, yep. Again, the important thing here is if you already have it, and I guess what I'm emphasizing is perfect your skill with it. Now if you want to add to your inventory, I don't have a problem, but don't let somebody convince you to get rid of anything. You can't afford to. Plus, again, you've taken and brought up performance level lists. Do you mean to tell me that you can't focus on more than one system? You've perfected your skill in an area. Now keep that weapon on hand because it's all memory now. It's second nature. It's a given. Now if somebody has talked to you and said you really need a Glock, you really need a Glock, you really need a Glock, then go get a Glock. Have them give you one for your birthday. Yeah, tell them to give you one, yeah, it'll be better still. Yeah, only $500 a piece. Sure, give me one. That'll be fine. Now I will say this again too, and this has been an issue. I have been trying to find reasonably priced handguns. The only way you're probably going to do that is yard sales, flea markets, Maybe some gun shops that have some of the used stuff that's in the odds and ends of the category. Well, and the other issue there is as you pointed out, sometimes, like right now, we're headed towards, here, let's do some math here. Right now, government auctions and auctions and sales around Christmas and after Christmas are going to be dogs. This is where you save and plan if we get that far and I know everybody's saying mark We went on make it through November what how we've been like that for decades now, and it's true Yeah, something could kick off well with what the shysters are up to and the way they flagged the economy the way they frag the You know, they're intentionally fragging the military and they've done all kinds of other wicked deeds Yeah, I would say they're in motion and high gear I agree, but we can still plan ahead remember if you do have the digits on hand in cash Well, that just means that you'll have to, if it started, say, tomorrow morning, well, you would take the cash you had and use it locally instead. But if you plan ahead right now, GovAuctions, especially, remember, GovLiquidation is all by computer guys. And remember, always add pennies to your bid. Sometimes 7 cents gets you the bid, if you're smart. In other words, one guy bids $25.02. Well, I always bid. $25.25 or $0.17, always a weird amount. You might get it by $0.02 because the guy thought I'll put $0.15 over the dollar and that will do it. The other thing is money is going to be tight around and after Christmas and especially after Christmas. Auctions are going to be the same way which is why they do kind of peter down. There are a number of reasons. People out there also know the money cycle. But if you can run into anything that's decent or for that matter accoutrements for your weapon at these auctions, take advantage of it. We had a farm auction down towards Manchester, Michigan. Guy had a whole bunch of odds and ends weapons, but what was interesting is the weapons he had, it was obvious down he was collecting from the 50s through to the 70s. A lot of Japanese, Swedish, American weapons, but again from a period of time you could tell by the weapons he collected some of them had been sporterized by cutting the stocks. I wouldn't go out of my way to change them out. I would leave them pretty much the way they are nowadays and then watch for a cheap stock that might show up if it's an odd military gun and you're trying to resurrect it. I would not do anything otherwise I would focus on ammunition. Most of the weapons went for between 60 and 80 dollars as far as most of the bolt guns and such because they weren't as pretty or and again people weren't really cognizant of what they were. He also had a clutch of handguns. What were they? The typical weapons you'd find in the Stoker catalog, 1911, probably bought it when it was about $65 a gun and brand new from the factory. He had two or three Smith and Wesson K-frame revolvers, a little pocket pistol looked like it was a Rossi, not a Rossi, forgive me, a German, it was one of the German pistols from about 1965 before the GCA 68. It was a German pistol and then he had a Broomhandle Mauser and a couple other things. None of them went for extreme prices but some of them, because people weren't sure about what they were, they didn't go high. So again that little German, it was not a, I want to say a Stoger, but it wasn't a Stoger. It was a revolver that came in and a friend of mine used to grab these, it used to be like $30 at the gun shows. The Germans made a series of component revolvers in the 60s. They're not bad guns, it's just by American standards, it's like that thing looks weird. The reason when I say component is they used many sub-assemblies to include a double shrouded barrel. The barrel was of a core carbon steel but they double shrouded it and ensconced it in another layer of material to reinforce the original barrel and stabilize it to the frame. These guns usually have gone, I don't know what they're going for now, they're of course 50, 60 years old people are probably considering collectors. But if you see them and people aren't sure and they're in 38 Special or 38 Smith and Wesson, they're side break revolvers. They do look a little different but they function flawlessly. They are good pistols. So if you run into one, there is a hand cannon for someone. In other words, I don't have much and they have one of these things that is in 38 Special. Is it clean? Still got the box with it. That is probably because whoever bought it bought it as a nightstand gun. A lot of people did that. They bought a gun, put it in the nightstand or put it in the dresser. Maybe they took it out once in a while, cleaned it, looked at it, stared at it, and put it back in the sock drawer where it was. They kept nice and dry and clean. And they slept easier. Yeah, they slept easier. And then, you know, now down the road, Grandpa retired, passed away, or decided to sell it, and it shows up somewhere. Those guns are just fine. A lot of 32 bursa's show up that way. Everybody goes, 32? 32 ACP barks like a dog, stabs you like an ice pick and will do a fine job if you pepper somebody in the face with it. Just remember that. Use the game for the crotch. Like we've said, hurt them. The idea is you're going to keep hurting them no matter what you've got. I'm of the attitude that unless they're right on top of you in a face shot, if you try for it, a lot of people are conditioned to defend. But keeping it low and into the groin area, guys, consider this. Most people aren't really prepared for that. Their logic is you're going to come up into the target area and a crotch shot into the hip, the bowels, you're doing all that damage, oh that is incredibly painful plus you've busted up their platform. Let's point something else out too because you know there's a phrase in hand gunning called the bowler or bowling. And that comes from carrying the gun in low and swinging it up like a bowler so to speak. Hence bowler or bowling. Which target do you think is going to come under your gun quicker? Did I say more? Buck. In fact, remember that the other thing to consider, you're seeing more and more where they're starting to put this back into play and I've argued this, you see in the movies where everybody always is conditioned to extend their arm with a pistol if you're in close quarters. Guys, I'm going to step to your side and I'm going to take that gun in one hand and with my forearm I'm going to dislocate your elbow and then your gun will be mine. Exactly. Or at least at buy's time you push and pull with the revolver or the automatic, keep it close to the body, fire point to point. Remember guys, it's amazing your body does a really good job of with muscle memory and training doing what it's supposed to do. close range rather than because there are always people who say, well if you try to draw your gun I'd get there before you get there. Well that's one of the logic I'm going to go through a certain series. I'll shoot you in the crotch on the way up. Yeah and remember muzzle climb. Yeah the other thing is muzzle climb. Don't worry if you really are panicking you're going to keep pulling the trigger. That first one is going to hit the crotch, one is going to hit the hip bone, one is going to hit the belly button, the next one is going to hit up the sternum area, the next one is going to tour through, you're going to hit around the chest, you know top proper. If you've got any rounds left you might even cleft them in the chin. I've seen a guy with an M1, an M2 carbine, 15 round magazine, shot the guy aimed at the guy's feet. First round hit the pavement. The other 13 rounds hit the toe, up the leg, the crotch, the belly, the chest, and the last couple rounds scuttered along the side of the temple, and the last round went off into oblivion. Just that fast. So, think about it. Again, muzzle climb will make up for if you're worried about getting to the target. If you want to get higher, don't worry, you will. Adrenaline rush helps too. But, you know, again, my attitude on that one is if I blow a ball joint out, if I think about what that does, you know, you've got some at least 250 pounds, I don't give a squat who the hell you are. You take off the top of that femur bone, that ball joint aforementioned in the hip. And that grown man, he'll be crying if he falls to the ground. He will be crying. He will not have anything. He will not be able to stop. There isn't any energy that he can exert that's going to keep him from bowling over. And remember that if you hit him once like that and you dump three, four rounds into that area, you've got all kinds of other damage you've done. But the weight itself, it's kind of like when you're in demolitions, guys. The reason you blow a bridge up when a train is coming is your demolitions aren't really that powerful to fully knock the bridge over but if you knock part of the bridge over and the train goes over with it the weight of the train, mass and energy and forward momentum guys remember all applied mean that the train does the other half of the job for you for the explosive you couldn't carry. You see how that works? That's why you do it. It's not because of the dynamics of I want to get the guys on the train. It's because you're applying energy that somebody else is carrying to the target. Well, the same is true when you shoot in this particular method because he brought the weight with him. All you're going to do is apply it. Now when he's on the ground, if you feel you need a follow up shot, like I said, there's where you can decide if a brain pan or a shoulder shot if you want to disable so you can talk to him later. shoulder, shoulder, elbow, elbow, whatever you want to do. I personally fully believe in the idea that if you've got enough rounds with you and you really want to keep him around, make sure he's incapacitated so he can't even crawl. It's up to wiggle like a worm. You know, L-Mart, shoulder, shoulder, groin, groin. Go ahead, go ahead, jump in there. Hey, this is JC from Pennsylvania. You had mentioned the M1 carbine a minute ago. I've got a lot of people tell me that they believe the M1 carbine is an anemic cartridge. until I point out to them that the energy the carbine has at 100 yards is identical to a 44 Magnum. Any differences diameter of the bullet? Yes. In fact, I was looking at the price of carbine ammo is still at present point you can buy PMC or preview partisan for about 20 to 23 dollars a box. Now you get 50 rounds per box. and it's still the most affordable light rifle cartridge right now on the market for the price. It has excellent performance in terms of what it was designed to do. It is not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . . it's not a . . it's not a . . . it's not I personally have handled and rebuilt or had to clean up and got them for nothing. I probably would say over 600 carbines that I put into people's hands myself. In that time, Plainfield, US military, even Universal, Universal is commanding a crazy price right now. I think considering, but again, they are antique gun now for all practical purposes. But the weapons themselves are more than serviceable enough. One of the most important things is who can you put it in? Whose hands can you put it in? A lot of women love the carbine. They like the Air 15 for the same reason. It's very light, minimal recoil, and it's easy to get that magazine replaced. And for the girls, they can focus on shooting you dead, dead, dead. Maybe that's not good if you want your wife to, you know, if you arm your wife up and you do things wrong, you might not like what the end result is, but for the most part, she'll probably stick with you on your side. So, it's good to provide her with an effective tool in the toolbox. The carbine, the AR-15, of course, used to be the carbine was I could buy three carbines for the price of one AR-15. So, we armed up a lot of people with carbines here, especially for support personnel, simply because mags were cheap, ammo was surplus, and the gun was reasonably priced. Also, it's a military arm. Guys, how many of those did we make in the US military? So it's going to be out there, no matter how you look at it. Now, you want to do some mean stuff with it. There are all kinds of different load solutions that have already been perfected. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. But in its standard form, it served exceptionally well and was very popular with every breed of fighting person out there. Now there are pluses and minuses. It's not a .30-06. It's not a main battle rifle. But a lot of guys I served with who were first special forces, in fact the one gentleman, the captain, I've pretty well gone through all of his documents and in the early stages of Vietnam the M2 and M3 carbine were carried by pretty much everybody in SF. They're either the M1 Garand, even though the M14 was available, and even though they were offered the M16. The men carried the M2 carbine typically and they carried it in force. So, something to think about there. They had the chance to switch over early on and experiment with the other weapons that were available that were the new black plastic guns. They had a chance to test them. They weren't impressed with them. And they knew the carbine worked and there were lots more out there. So, again, that's what the grain was what Nick Rowe was carrying whenever he got captured. Yeah, well, one of the things that's interesting, the non-mercenaries The first SF had an arsenal that at any given time had 20,000 weapons sitting in the warehouse. When they hired after the first American was killed in Vietnam, he was a Special Forces medic. The men who were at the South Vietnamese, when my friend, the guy I served with, he was a captain at the time, When he was in Vietnam, the two characters that had betrayed that medic were still with the Arben there. They couldn't touch them because they were politico's. They were attached to some shyster out of Saigon's. But because of what happened with the betrayal of that medic, The SF unit hired Nung mercenaries. The army hired the Special Forces group hired Nung mercenaries and two men protected every SF man in the field. Now those Nung mercenaries had an option to take any weapon out of the arsenal they wanted. They could have taken some machine guns, they could have taken M16E1s. They had everything. They literally said they had any French weapon, American weapon or German weapon you could imagine in all the Viet Cong weapons. The nungs went in and looked at the arsenal and went right over to the M1 Garand Rack and handed them out. That was the only thing that they would carry. They were a terror with the garand. Everybody knew it. In fact, the Vietnamese would just literally fold. That's why the nungs were a good choice. But the garand was what they carried. They could have carried the carbine. But they wouldn't do it. The Garand wanted the knockdown power, they wanted the range, and they didn't waste ammunition. They were riflemen. Now the SF people carried the carbine. So it was a good compliment. One of the things he pointed out is it made for a pretty good compliment in the fire team. The carbine would offer suppression fire. The Garand's did what they were supposed to do. So it was exactly the way the combined arms team was envisioned when the Garand and the carbine were brought into service. So, both weapons serve their niche, the carbine. The carbine for the time is truly the answer to the Sturmgewehr of World War II. It was our answer to the assault rifle. Bottom line, because no matter how you look at it, nothing else had a 15 shot magazine. You could dump so quick and re-change. Nothing had that kind of firepower except a submachine gun, but the carbine was a whole hell of a lot lighter. Anybody who hasn't handled a Thompson, I challenge you. Go out and get one. Go out and pick one up. And then pick a carbine up. Now ask yourself if you're carrying something all day. A lot of guys still carry the Thompson. I swore by him. I know a guy who could write his name with him all day. I watched him. He could write his name with a Thompson or a BAR. Literally. And it was just, again, that was his, he perfected his skill with that weapon. But the carbine for a lot of people, and this is like I said, for the young shooters coming up, Carbing is a beautiful firearm. The only issue is more ammunition now and at least for the moment it's still available. So if you do have a carbine, what I would say is buy the snot out of the ammo. Buy ammo every week. Buy more ammo. If you want more ammo to be produced, you've got to buy more of it. So it's a good choice. It'll work. It'll kill them dead, dead, dead. At the very least, they'll contribute effectively so that my big heavy rifles, just like I said, that carbine can keep them busy and that big heavy rifle will kill them dead, dead, dead. I'm going to do it. and they made Superville brag that they made hypervelocity rounds for everything which they did. They would make 25 ACP, 32 ACP. They were the first to make a hyperballistic carbine round. Now what they did also, get a member of the carbine head space is from the bullet. So one thing you got to do there is make sure it matches up. So Superville made a cart-mouth hollow point. using a silver nickel core. Originally they were using a lead standard, lead anamone tin, but they went with a silver nickel lead combo to create a little more rigid, frangible round because they ended up with lots of energy. What it would do is on impact it would fracture. Remember we've talked about that fracturing effect when you make it more frangible. It would not only just open up to about 50 caliber or 55 caliber, but it would shear. It would be like fingers spreading out from the core of your hand but they would separate and then spiral in and create multiple wound channels. That was what Supervel was famous for. Well, Sorelle was really big on Supervel stuff especially for his revolvers. I remember reading articles he wrote and books. One of the three main shooters that were working back in the day in combat shooting, not just combat shooting but combat shooting before most people knew what pistol combat pistol craft was. his counterparts would include Cooper. The thing is that in the process with all of these individuals at the time back, especially when the development when Superville first came out, Second Chance tied in with and in fact wanted Super Bell's ammunition and they wanted people to test and demonstrate. They also wanted to confirm whether or not the stuff would go through stuff. In other words, they would guarantee the armor. All of these guys associated with each other and perfected each other's technology because of this. But in this piece of this neck of the woods, it backed up at the Second Chance research sites. Four or five primary shooters here in the Midwest were all working together to develop hyper loads, greater knockdown energy, expansion, and penetration depending upon the need. So Supervel became the expanded or the first of the hyper load developers that came up with increased velocity, expansion of projectile. BRI was the company that did all the penetration work. Then they handed it over to all these pistol craft shooters and light riflemen and said, let us know what you think. Kind of like the .50 caliber crew with their development of the .50 caliber round over the last 20 years or so. Each one of them worked into or became the gurus for their respective schools of thought on pistol defense and on rifle and pistol defense. He was one of the several Well, I would say top 9, top 9 or 10 back in the day and they all used to associate with each other and they all used to eventually had of course what was a gun sight out west. Everybody used to congregate there back in the day, late 70s, early 80s, until such time as Cooper passed away. One of the serrios with his takeout squad there in N1P.D. They had a number of actual shootings where they documented the performance of those bullets. And also get in trouble because the first time that they used them it's just like what happened with the BRI safety slugs. The original individuals doing the autopsy argued that somebody had done a coup de grace shot at close range because the expansion was so traumatic that only a point blank shotgun shell could have done. Which it wasn't. The level of destruction with some of these rounds were why certain departments created outrage in the anti-gun community demonstrating that these were guns. That rounds had to be outlawed not just from police use but from all use. Super Valley of course created notoriety because wow man if it's that devastating I got to have some. The problem is then the price started to creep up with it too because again once he was known then marketability took place. Who else do you have? I hear another boy. This is Georgia Patriot. After we had a little conversation the other morning about the SKS's, I called them and they said they thought they were out, but they're going to check and I'm going to call them again tomorrow and find out. You're talking about Royal Tiger Import? Yes sir. Okay, very good. Well, we've been talking about them and I know I'm hoping everybody's been listening. I don't want to move too far away from the ammunition here. If you find, now guys, Supervel ammunition was not just a fly by night operation although they started out wildcatting, Supervel is marked as Supervel. If you have cases, you look at the ammunition base, the base of the case, Supervel was all custom built ammunition but it was built to spec for the company. Now the components were, everything was, the rounds, the bullets that were built were all custom spec bullets made and perfected by the parent company and then produced, you subcontracted through Hornady, Spear and some of the other companies as time permitted if they had production time. Otherwise, they progressively were able to invest more and more money in their own production facilities. They perfected their own bullets. They, of course, ended up with certain or custom powders to increase velocity. They also overlapped an experimentation with layered powders. Now, they didn't do very much of that, but they did experiment with it here. They did experiment with it for about one or two years and then dropped the project for much of the same reason that a lot of the other commercial companies did because the problem is keeping cartridges are carried, cartridges bounce around. Layered powder creates a series of stepped charges, shock waves, that allow for a much smaller case to create greater energy in the chamber as it slaps the base of the round. The idea was sound. In fact, some research went all the way up to seven layers of powder that was stabilized with a polymer that allowed for it. What it did is just simply created mild adhesion with the granules, be they flake or donut or disc. And what happened is that while the idea was sound and it creates some very interesting maximum or ultra high velocity rounds, experimenting with belted Magnum and with conventional cases, the problem is you have to carry a cartridge around. So eventually something would tap loose and you'd have a powder mix and then you get your regular performance. So that's the only issue with the idea of layered powder. Well, Supervel, like many of the companies back in the day, had experimented with layered powder for the .45, the .380 Auto, And I think they'd also been going up into the carbine with that too because that would have brought the carbine's performance up dramatically also. The biggest issue with the carbine you'd have to watch is because of the short gas system is again, hammering the action and creating distortion in the back of the receiver because you could damage the bolt or damage the receiver accordingly. Probably wouldn't blow the weapon out, but it would finish the weapon. Go ahead. And you said that was super bell? Super bell. Yeah, I'm thinking, in fact, thanks. It really is something I was looking at here the other day. I've got examples that are actually collector's items from the early days. to include their 380 auto load. In fact when they did the 380 auto load we started to experiment with a lot of other stuff. We talked about the aluminum AP bullets that we produced back in the 70's and the cases that we used were Superville. Because you could buy Superville brass separate from the company if you wanted to back in the day. So it was very specialized. There are a lot of other companies that have overshadowed it since, but if you watch and grab boxes and cartridge tables at the gun shows, you'll run into some unique head stamp cases and the super bell is typically in there. If you've got it, don't waste it and just play with it. Preserve it and shoot it in special application. I don't know, the worry really brought up and the worry focused was with the semi-automatic pistols because they were argued to be as was pointed out a little on the light end and also to resurrect certain guns. The super-vel in a .380 Auto turned it into a barking dog with a cart-mouthed bullet. and it was devastating. And that was one reason. Did you think that means adding carbine as well? Yeah, 380s became very, very, very popular. Well, the carbine was a later idea. Okay. As they expand, the carbine, oh, what was it? 35 Remington was another one. Towards the end of the Supervel cycle, and I don't really know how the company petered out the way it did. I think part of that was just that other people came up from behind and adopted a lot of the same ideas. It just was overshadowed by other marketing. Before we go to our favorite place, ClassicFirms.com, they have the 91.30s for $100 each. For $100? Yes sir. Standard stock then, right? Not laminate. Standard stock? Grade B stocks and it comes complete with Bayonet. The little tool kit. hole. You can't do that. Excellent. And that's $100 a unit right now. Yes sir. That's probably the best price in the country for a full rifle right now. I was just looking to see if I mentioned this morning the Steyr Straight Poles. I think you got, well, I think everybody decided, yeah, there's ammunition available because everybody cleaned them out and there's been no replacing them. The nagots are becoming thinner but again there are still some out there in the bathtub so they haven't drained out the water completely out of that reservoir but that doesn't mean it's going to last forever so we need to keep reminding people of that. And they also have ammo. Oh yes, 760 by 54R? Yes sir. Very good. Before we go too much farther, Pennsylvania is still there? I'm sorry I didn't mean to bump them. No, I just didn't do it. One of the things that you were pointing out, and I guess we need to explain to everybody, back in the day the LA SWAT, I want to remind everybody of this, guys, we take for granted that all these big things are going on everywhere all at once, but that's not what happened. The Los Angeles PD, LAPD, was given preference in a lot of different ways because they were starting to implement new concepts and tactics. The SWAT idea came from the LAPD. Well, back in the day, in fact it's where the MP5 came from. Let's tie something else in with this. The MP5, HK's MP5 was adopted not because it was the best weapon, but because the LA SWAT teams got them for free. And because they got them for free, there were a lot of other weapons less expensive that had magazines up the GIGI for a dollar a piece that worked just as well as the MP5, the Smith & Wesson Model 76. The Carl Gustaf was already out there. You could buy any number of other French or even American grease guns for dime a dozen by comparison. You got to remember, police departments would get this stuff for cost. Instead, what they did was to push the HK, they gave them to the departments. They were freebies, all the accoutrements, all the spare goodies, the latest in stocks. On the other side of the coin, one might say they were an act of desperation. Yes. But at the time, this is to remind everybody of the age of when submachine gun science in the 50s had reached its zenith. Every company out there, the US had a number of weapons. The French built almost a brand new submachine gun every nine months, kind of like they were in World War I, like with artillery. ErmaWork, do research on ErmaWork. They did a massive number of submachine guns. Walther, in competition against HK had actually a better submachine gun available but they just didn't market it. In fact the Walther 9mm SMG built exactly at the same time as the HK is not as comfortable, is more comfortable to shoot. And for a little while they came out of the render revolution market as a full auto weapon of course. for as little as $128 a piece because they market them properly. And some departments and other people carried them for a period of time. So that's one of the reasons that Supervalve because again, the police departments out there, the LAPD and other departments around in those counties were given preferential treatment. They had weapon systems to work with that other people simply didn't have in their inventory to experiment with. which is why Supervel, BRI, a lot of the other independent companies came to them and said, hey, try out our stuff. See what this does. You mentioned the MP5. I had a conversation with an individual. They wanted to get an Uzi. They said no, but they look really cool. The Secret Service used it. They said something of being lighter. I said, the Uzi weighs two pounds more. I said, well yeah, and the weight is the recoil bolt as opposed to an F5. But then he mentioned the HK94. I said, it's still a heavy gun. I said, you're better off if you want to go that route. Save some money, give a slow-mo, 36 round sticks or one round drum. Even though it weighs 9 or 9, 10 pounds, you've got a weapon in the ground. I told him, I said, imagine that. You have a 71 round drum. I said, just think if everybody had had a solo sitting there with a 71 round drop whenever the horse trailers hit. Yeah, it would have been finished. It's like they said, 10 people in the right place. But again, with the entire force properly outfitted, and it's not that they didn't have good weapons with the Branch Davidians, they did. The thing is, they weren't necessarily combat infantrymen, but anybody, if you armed them with that kind of fire power, suppression deals with the problem while the marksman finished the job. That's basically what I told him. I said, you know, if you got, I said if your girlfriend is a weapon in the correct direction, shooting has a 71 round drum and a 9 millimeter, that gives you time, the time you need to get to your weapon and actually takes a mean shot. Exactly. And she's still going, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Tell her just count to three, dear. Pop, pop, pop. One, two, pop, pop, pop. One, two, pop, pop, pop. And they'll keep wondering when is she going to run out. Well, if you want to answer that first of all, the way she has to do is manipulating the weapon, unless you have to worry. Exactly. She's focusing on the target. Well, the other thing here too, as we pointed out, you see that the age, that particular era of submachine guns, In fact, the Sumia is heavy, but it was the nature of the weapons made during that era. The Thompson is heavy. The next generation of weapons start to lighten up and we see like the Grease Gun, which still has a heavy bolt. As you point out, that's how the weapons is controlled, guys, along with most of these other arms. So you balance it out with, again, comparative firepower, knockdown strength, etc. And well we are the top darned out Don, your number of a night vision is going to be available in just a minute. That number is 2317968458. And again as I was pointing out, classic firearms guys, but also don't forget, loyaltigerimports.com. Check the page out, see if there's anything useful. God bless the Republic. Death is a new world order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march both day and night. Ooh-rah! Six bandits, beat them down hard. Dab them once or twice, once they're on the ground. And strip them naked of all the goodies they brought to you so you can outfit the other kid who doesn't have anything. Don your number for night vision a couple times, please. It is... two three one seven nine six eight four five eight again. One, two, three, one, seven, nine, six, eight, four, five, eight. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America.