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But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep. Your freedom's gone, your courage lost, you're no more than a slave. In this, the land of the free and home of the brave. You buy permits to travel and permits to own a gun. Permits to start a business or to build a place for one. On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent. Although you have no voice in saying how the money is spent, your children must attend a school that doesn't educate, and your Christian values can't be taught according to the state. You read about the current news in a regulated press, and you pay a tax you do not owe to please the IRS. Your money is no longer made of silver nor of gold. You trade your wealth for paper so your life can be controlled. You pay for crimes that make our nation turn from God and shame. You've taken Satan's number. You've traded in your name. You've given government control to those who do you harm so they could burn down churches and seize the family farm. 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For even now as tyrants trample each God-given right, we only watch him tremble, too afraid to stand and fight. If he stood by your bedside in a dream while you were asleep and wondered what remains of the freedoms he'd fought to keep, what would be your answer if he called out from the grave, is to still the land of the free? And behind the lines in occupied territories west, central, southeast, and east. Ladies and gentlemen, you are listening to us on LibertyTreeRadio.4MG.com. We are on AM and FM microstations, CB, base stations, and alternate technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska, Homework Network, top of Maine, bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida, across the arc of the Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming, and Colorado. Waiting to the left coast, we turn back to the east, sweep across plains, over the Mississippi land. In the Smokies, across from Mississippi, all the way up along the ridge into Maine and everywhere in between. That's right, the Golden Spike Project. We have Don with us. Don, what is the date today, sir? Mark, it is the fourth day of November, year of our Lord 2013. And hey, did you set your clocks back? I thought I'd mention that because, well, we're well into the first light cycle of, you know, the reversal of daylight savings time or the erasing, the rubbing out of daylight savings time for the rest of the year, you know, the year 2013. We fell back. In other words, fall back spring forward. There's a way to remember it, guys. Well, again, Dom, it was a little cloudy, but you know what's really weird is, not really weird, but stars are coming out and it's getting really clear, which means it's going to get really Cold if it wants to tonight guys just a little warning there for everybody expects either temperatures drop not a surprise It's just that kind of thing that happens this time of year If you're gonna try and get any work done this week highly recommend if you got any trench work or any work needs to be done our foundations try to get it done because You're gonna be running out of time but up here in this end of Michigan We still have soft soil. We don't have any freeze. We've got all the leaves dropping off the trees and the fruit's all good doing what it's supposed to do, coming off the trees now. But we still got a ground that's soft enough you can put a shovel to it. If that's the case, you can put cement in. So get whatever work you got to get down there. Fortifications, reinforcing, foundations, overhead cover, or if you're going to put caches in the ground, remember, score the soil below or forgive me, above. Take that sod and map it out on a piece of plastic or on a poncho. Drag it away. Then dig the hole. Allow for the volume of whatever you're going to bury. Reinsert dirt or ground earth over top of that subsoil and then put the original sod back over the dig. exactly as you brought it up. It's not hard to do, it's just that you have to think. You do that, you eliminate about, oh, 99.9% of the ability from the air for anybody to scan using an earth's slash thermal system to identify where you dug the hole. Just remember to pull the topsoil off in a mapped out formation like sod. When you put it back, do the same thing. Easiest way to do that? lay a piece of plastic or a couple pieces of plastic, drag the stuff away from your dig, put another piece of plastic down so you don't leave spoil slash the subsoil on the surface area because that's what they ID. People dig holes, they have a tendency to shove the dirt back in, well whatever is around gets left around and the stuff that's normally not on top all of a sudden is there. The IRTS system was one of the first of these ID systems to confirm or deny through spectral analysis different materials. The topsoil is highly organic with additional materials, bacteria, plant growths, and critters. Subsoil is not completely neutral, but is mostly neutral. When those two, when one's left above ground, it easily creates a very different spectral signature. and it can be mapped out as clearly as I'm looking at you across the room under normal light. Okay, just one thing to remember. Don, anyway, you got stuff jumping off that into the planet. What's going on there? Give us information on night vision, of course. And jump in there, please. Well, I was thinking about compasses, and you know, there's a couple of pieces of night vision that you can do an addition to, and you've got, you know, looking at the corner of your eye, you've got a compass. There are PBS sevens you can do a compass addition to. That's a single front lens and two eye, you know, single focal and two ocular lenses with what looks like a couple of big match boxes in between. And that'll go on headgear. But you can get a compass right in, you know, as an option that's installed in the, well, you can get a compass in there. That's pretty neat. It's good to work compasses, but more on that later. If you're looking for night vision, you guys, you can give me a call. The number is 231-796-8458. We can talk about, again, goggles, aforementioned, PVS-7s. Gun sites, as example, the first generation gun site 308 capable, or second generation, same performance parameters, two year warranty on both of those devices, or we can talk about thermal. I've got a piece of thermal that'll fit in your It doesn't have to hang from the nose of your helicopter or the top of your armored vehicle. It fits in your pocket. For under $2,000 from the notorious FLIR company. Well, performance noted. From the FLIR company. It fits right in your pocket under $2,000. My number is 23179658. Again, 23179658. We've talked about a number of things over the last while. Uppers for .50 caliber, it's not a weapons Wednesday. Plastic lowers, some pretty neat stuff there. There was a guy, I saw this on the TV last week, Mark, his boy didn't have a, was born without a hand. It was just, I have a friend, we call him Stubby. He's almost like a thalidomide boy or child. The thalidomide thing was a couple of generations back, but stubby where the short bones, the bones between your wrist and your flanges, purple bones, hence at any rate, he doesn't have any. And he doesn't have any dinky finger bones. So he appears almost to have nothing there. There was a point on the news last week who had a forearm very similar. Mark, his father took print and off of the internet someone developed an artificial hand. Now it doesn't look like Arnold, you know, and it doesn't look like Terminator and it doesn't have skin over it, so it looks a lot more like a Lego set than anything else. But he took the plans off someone, developed this, puts it as if you get this kind of printer for about $800 to $1200 you can build your own artificial hand in any size you want and learn how to use it. So he did and built his boy an artificial hand. That was way cool. We've talked about building lowers. And, you know, 60 Minutes has basically got the nation convinced, Mark, that you can build a whole gun out of from that printer. And that should be outlawed right now because... And those printers should be highly controlled because, well, you can build a gun from them. And now I am pretty certain that if you were to build a gun strictly from a printer, unless you built it like as big as your fore, at least that child or arm, he looked really happy to have a hand. I have to go back to that. It would be a one-time use. And it might not be really, really what one would call, where's another cliche I can put in there, user-friendly. It would be of one-time use and probably not very user-friendly to build a gun completely out of plastic. We can, oh, the Clinton, not Clinton, the, oh, Clinton. Eastwood movie many years ago that was built for ceramics and that was a one time use double barrel gun pertinent. Remember what was the name of that line of duty or something like that. Line of Fire or a Clint Eastwood movie. Line of Duty I think. Line of Fire or something like that. If you can't find any reference of that Clint Eastwood secret service agent about to retire might be a parameter. The old secret service agent who had a hard time running along with the limousine. Yeah, this is true. At any rate, that goes over to purpose built guns. We've talked about that before and offered the example, the movie, trying to build a gun simply printing it in what is apparent 3D printing technology. Unless they've got other things that are about, you know, at least aircraft grade aluminum, it's probably going to be a one-time use to build a whole gun from a printer. This is what, like 60 minutes and other, you know, portions of the media, and I know it's not a weapons one, saying it's, we're doing this because we can. We're doing this because the other side is. But they're basically presenting this as, well, this technology will be in your homes soon. And, well, if your boy doesn't know how to print out an Uzi or a 1911 or a M16, well, at least you could probably print out a Samurai sword. And you'd have a better or be more successful and build a more viable, at least, you know, for that style weapon. where I'm trying to go with that. For that category, a more survivable samurai sword printing out a gun with current technology. So again, it's the media trying to steer us. That's just another example of that. But that was really cool to see that. I think it was a nine or 10 year old boy with a official left hand mark. That was neat. The 3D printer design. The only thing is I haven't looked closely at it. But it probably wouldn't be that difficult to adapt a prosthetic outer material. Kellogg research years ago has already done variations on plastic or even metal over the decades. In fact, over the last, this is year 2013. Yeah, for 100 years and more prosthetics have been used. But more in the more recent century, in the last 100 years, We progressively moved from one material to the next to the point where all about 30, 40 years ago the same poly malleable plastics that you see that are very skin-like started to be used for instance with artificial eye coverings where you have whole eye sockets that have been damaged. The other thing was for finger tips before they made whole hands and such. You know, guys were missing fingers and want to look a little more, or ladies want to look a little more complete. And so they made slip-ons, Dom, that actually just gave them that extra knuckle that was missing. So the technology's been completely perfected. You've seen it in animatronics. You see it with toys. In fact, Halloween, we just had go-by. Guys, the crude and rude stuff out of China. Initially, in fact, I noticed the quality of the stuff coming out of China has gone downhill. Whereas before, when the slave labor was at the peak when they first came in, we had a wider range of very high quality and skillfully made stuff. That's kind of disappeared. But actually taking and building your own, if you go to art supplies, let me give you an example of this, he could do a reversal of the left hand and make a mimic of it of the right hand. You can self-mold this to make a sheath that would have fingerprints, the knuckle joint creases, the whole nine yards. Now as far as coloration goes, hey, that's no matter how creative you are, getting it right. But even if it was one shade a little lighter than the other side, it still looks a lot more, shall we say, authentic. And if it's combined with robotic or with animatronic technology underneath, Wow, all the better. This was very simple. Again, almost appearing Lego-like in its hard corners and dimensionally block-like. It was a pincher-like movement that was actuated much like the older stuff from the 50s and 60s. Remember you guys, World War II and Korean War veterans when you were a boy, at the guy, remember the hook arm that was when the user would move his arm a particular way, it would open, close the hook. Extending his arm would open the hook and leaning forward if he wanted to keep the hook in one place would close the hook or moving the arm back a little bit would close the hook, remember? That's how this boy's hand is actuated. It's not high brain reading, muscle technology, but he was very happy to have something there. You could just tell that it was uplifting. Not only that, but dad made it. Yeah, exactly. That too. It goes over to, you know, the thing that we offer and talk about in so many different ways. I don't remember what they said he did. He wasn't a writer. a soccer feller and he wasn't, you know, a bush. So he wasn't one of the, you know, a chaney for a while waiting for it. And we did tell you that that pizza delivery guy still hasn't been accounted for, you know, in, in chaney's neighborhood there. And I say that in jest. That's, that's a horrible thing to say, but I wouldn't put it that the secular like Dick Cheney, you know, the draft Dodger with how many different At any rate, that was something to see. The guy who brought up this pattern, who developed this, put it on the Internet. This is a communications thing. This is an ingenuity thing. This guy was an American who developed this hand. He was so generous. put it on the Internet for anyone. What do they call that Mark? It was open. It talked about helicopters and quads and the tri-word phrase. That's what this hand was. Somebody just put it on and the guy found it and built it for his son. We've talked about this in a number of different ways. Didn't we mention in passing plastic lowers at the beginning of this. So, you know, there are a number of different things that we're looking at standing in a gas station for the gas the other night. And I had to make some change and I take out this folded piece of leather. It's so it's like a Chrysanthemum. It's a it's a change purse, little pocket change purse. Now, I'll tell you, it was my grandfather. So if you want to tell you, it's a little pocket change thing. If you call it a purse, I just called it a purse. If you want to call it a purse, we might fight about it. But almost every time I take that out, Mark, and squeeze it and it opens up a little bit, or if I flop it almost flat open on the counter, it gets almost twice as big when you do that. And then count out, change, or slide the change out right onto the counter. People say, oh, that's so cool. And I say, oh, that was my grandfather's. And I put it away. But the other night, I got it out, and I was making change. And someone said, oh, that's so cool. And also, we've talked about it. before but he pointed out, I'll take that silver for change if you want. I said, no you won't. I did lift it out and show him. I never let him touch it. Sometimes I put it in people's hands. He apparently knew what the value of that silver was. I wasn't going to let him feel the heft of it. He wasn't going to take it from me as he told me he would. I lifted it up and showed him. I said, that's a 1903. He said, yeah, that's a Morgan. It's a walking liberty or standing liberty, I can't remember. It's in 1903 and I said, so in 1903 it was a good year for America. You know why? And he went blank. And he's professors to know about silver and that Morgan silver and you pin them down a little bit for a year. And we've addressed this before and I haven't talked about this on the air. That 1903 is in my pocket. Well, it's in my grandfather's little change container, but it's in my pocket because 1903 was a real good I went on to explain to this. gas jockey, so to speak. No disrespect to him. I could tell you about that, but at any rate, to the outlet teller that 1903 was a real good year for America. He said, why? I said, how about those brothers and other guys over there in Wisconsin? Harley and Davidson? Or was it Harley and Davidson? Oh yeah, yeah, and what else? He says, well, down there downstate, where you know downstate up when you live in the middle and upper Michigan, downstate is Detroit. But down there downstate you had that guy Henry Ford, you know, and oh yeah, he started to grin and he says, what else? And I says, well, you've got those two brothers down there in Dayton, Ohio, and he looked at me for a second. I kind of had to glance for it, looked around and looked up a little Oh, and he said, those flyers, the Wright brothers, yeah. And then he says, yeah, 1903 was a good year for America, wasn't it? I said, yeah, it was. And you know, for us, I looked right at him and said, now the Chinese are claiming this one. And he said, yeah, I've heard that we're going to have to do what we can. And without what we can, I said, yeah, well, we're probably going to have to shoot them. And he said, yeah, you're probably right. And by that time, I was going out the door. So you know, Don can get kind of long winded and there's a whole bunch of things in that little short story from Don there about silver and American history and what we can expect in the future and what some people even if they just, you know, forgive me about that, gas jockeys. I did that myself for, that was one of the, I think that was the second job I ever had that paid me with a check. I was a real pump jockey though, I would go out there and pump gas instead of be the gasoline retail outlet clerk. I don't know what you would do these days Mark if you are handicapped and can't get out of your car. How would you gas up your car? I've never seen a gas station anywhere I've stopped someone would come out and pump your gas. I don't know if that person is pumped gas. I don't know. That just jumped into my mind. The things we talk about on the intelligence department, I think you'll have to report you. They expect you to do it now. Yeah, you're right. They expect you to call out and do it. I'm not doing it for you. In the state of Oregon, it's the law. They got full service still. Oh, okay. I just want to see states bust. One of the few, I think it's the only one left. That's it. They do your windows and everything. They expect the old days. Well, I But to be quite honest, I haven't seen anything like that in years. And I'm pretty sure they just expect you to do it yourself unless... Well, if you get out of the car to call the attendant, you know, like by tapping the buzzer, you're already out of the car. I'm doing good. You might as well pump them. Yeah, might as well. Well, we'll never fly, Orville. You know, I like the Wright Brothers. But, you know, am I to believe that we can't build our own private firearms? Are we regulated by the federal government? No, no, we could build our own firearms all day. Any kind we want, huh? Well, okay, here's the thing. Number one, and I've argued this for years, there's two things. People are thinking they want to build select fire weapons. Now, we all know that that's going to draw attention. So if you were even thinking about doing that, you don't even talk about it. However, at a given point everything will be illegal no matter what it is. 22 calibers, BB guns, whatever. But right now they can't do anything about you building any semi-automatic, bolt action, revolver, pistol, doesn't mean everything is what that is. Any handgun pretty much can be built. Any rifle and to be quite honest select fire for most people is really not a good idea Anyway, not because I want to restrict them, but because they can't carry enough ammo right Myself I if I had select fire option the only thing I'd probably want to carry would be like an m16a1 or Maybe an HK if it was a select three, you know, like three, you know, three option where it's got semi-triburst full auto. Yeah, or an AK. Yeah, or a regular AK. And the reason is because if it doesn't have full auto select, it's not a full auto gun anyway, and it's a waste of your time. Remember, the M16A3s had semi and three round burst only. They don't have lock fire. Now you're not going to use that that often, but there are times where especially as a team leader or for disaster fire, a full magazine or at least a 10 round burst would be a really good idea. In other words, you have to do it on occasion. And again, you can use it, you want three to five. You don't want a three round burst because squad gunner use three to five, three to five. If I want to fake somebody out and make them feel like I got a belt fed gun, I need something that is fully select. I don't need something that is semi-select as far as 3 round burst or whatever. The regular AK, the M16A1, or the, and notice I didn't mention the .308 rifles, they are not worth it. The M14, the FN FAL, and the HK91 in full auto are not a good option. You're all better off in each of those weapons if they're semi. Their select fire option, unless that gun is secured to something like a pin-pull mount on a belt-fed machine gun, you're not going to keep it on target. You're going to fire two, three rounds on target and you're going to be cracking over somebody's head with a rest. I'd like to have a 12 gauge that you can switch between pump and semi auto with a magazine. Well that's the Spas idea. And actually Spas made what was called, you heard of the Spas 12 right? Oh no. The Spas 12. He was in the spot with a shotgun phase possible right before the operation. Hey, that's what you see on the shelf, buddy. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. Okay, the Spas 12. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hold on. The Spas 12 is a running joke for us because remember, that's the answer to a question that was never asked. How complicated can you make the plumbing, okay? However, the Spas 12 had a sister. It was the Spas 15. Now only about maybe 1700 of these guns came into the country. When they came in they were cheap. It's a SPAS-15. Now just picture an M16 made out of taffy that you pull in all directions. And it had the same basic function as the SPAS-12 as far as how it operated, but it was a magazine fed 12 gauge. Now it came into the country for very short period of time. The first batch came in, they approved them. There wasn't anything strange about them except that obviously they were mag-fed. Oh, immediately they had to stop that. So you won't see very many. They came in a very short window and it's the Spas 15. Anybody see if you can find a picture of it? The Spas 15. Not the Spas 12. Now the Spas 12 is both the pump and gas gun, but it's tubular fed. Now that's not a problem. Either way, you can go semi or pump. There we go Mark, not full auto. And again, beware because even on a lot of these other guns that have come up more recently, they've gone to more polymer, they've done things that are faddish, and when push comes to shove and you actually have to operate them, you find the weapons are not as reliable as they should be, considering the name stamped on the receiver. And this is happening with a lot of newer weapons where they're just trying to come up with To a degree, I think it's mimicking in some ways. The ideas are sound. We were talking about the Naval 12-gauge research project years ago. Apparently, two different people would have been listening to the program because they resurrected the design and they're making a bullpup 12-gauge that has a dual magazine feed. So, you don't need a stick mag if you've got two under barrel 12 gauge tubes. Feed left, right, feed left, right, etc. What's interesting is the one in all the research that's been done because of certain things that they did to look cool or add a feature that wasn't really necessary, the weapon has malfunction problems. The other seems to, the Celtic seems to function fallously though. I think Chippewa has a rotary 4-2 under a model that they make, or some company. I just see it on the internet the other day. I forgot to save it. I'll find it again. It's got a rotary 4-2 rotary underneath the barrel. See, that's excessive because two side-by-side was already perfected. You start adding more plumbing. It's like anything else. Add more plumbing. It's easier to block up the drain. It's that simple, you know, and that's what happens where the failing is taking place was in the chamber area for feeding and extraction and So again, if you if it's tough enough, let's not tough It's just again, it's a matter of precision the Navy worked it all out and then dumped the program Your tax dollars paid for it. They were they completely perfected it was using 50 caliber cases cut at the shoulder to make a hyper 12 gauge round and They based it on the 870 action. They used two under the main tube side by side magazine tubes and it worked like a charm. They wanted to use it for a naval boarding gun, which would have been a cool idea. Also for onboard use because the shotgun is less likely to do damage to the ship, unlike a high powered rifle. So for splashing somebody with a .50 caliber type case for a 12 gauge You're looking at probably 50 or 60 pellets per trigger pull. If you can't hit somebody with that walking claymore, then you're not worth your salt anyway. You're talking a massive fire park. Go ahead, caller. Who do we have? This is Fluffy. Hey, Fluffy, jump in. You know there's not just a killtech. There's also one called the UTS-15. Right. That's it. Go ahead. That has two tubes above the barrel. I think that's the one that's having the problems. There's a number of videos on YouTube about both of them. I'm just curious. The Kontak is the two tubes below the barrel and the UTS is two tubes above. It was just the idea to reverse the order as far as the design idea. The one with the two above, I believe what they did is they put counting slots. So you can see how many rounds you had and they actually put little number counters IDs on them. Apparently that weakened the tube. There are two gates where you can load each tube and there are slots along the barrel. I don't particularly like that because it seems like it would be a good place for dirt to enter. For dirt to come in, exactly. The KSG I believe originally either in the Diesner South African farmer design. You know how they had to perfect some of their own things because of the embargo and all they had going on over there. But the KSG under tube, dual tube design I believe was a rule of the Striker 12 which was of those worked flawlessly. Now the design that they picked up, the Navy design was done back in the 60s and in the early 70s they dropped the program. So that's about the time that you see all these other people developing the idea and it was actually to the point where they were sure they were going to adopt the gun. So, the idea was pretty well laid in everybody's brain and I think what happened is enough of the design features and pictures got out that like you said over in South Africa or any place where you've got anybody with a machinist with little brains, they started perfecting the idea because they needed volume fire. Well, since they couldn't get certain ammunition but they could get shot shells, And because the shot shell guarantees again saturation on target, that's why the 12 gauge in both those situations became so popular against numbers. They do, but they are something. The recoil is one thing, but they torque around in your hand, don't they? They are almost like an osprey, you guys. There is almost no need for them. They might be sometimes in the right hands, seemingly a gift from God. Don't get me wrong, but we've addressed shotguns and that's a very bulky, hard to turn. I know most of them. I've shot them. I've held them. I've shot them. I've loaded them. I've wound them up. I've watched the owner tell me all about one of them guns. I had a real fun time with them for a good afternoon, but you guys... If you have a pocket full of 12 gauge, you can get 24 shots off faster or 36 shots off faster than that guy with 12 can. And even if he's got 12 more or 24 more in his pocket. That's exactly right, Don, because it's like a single action ball. Yes, if you've got a slide gun with a bottom loading ejection and loading port and you're loading as you're firing, you're firing, boom, boom, boom, you put three. Now you can, I've got an Ithaca here, man. I can put five in the well or I think even six. And if you go those shorties, probably nine in the well. Now you guys there's something to be said again Don't get me wrong the right tool for the right job and somebody might in one day say look at I just made everything Don was saying about this gun completely totally wrong, but me days their collector is a way cool gun. Yeah, they're cool. Oh, they are volume fire once you get that practice down and we've tried to point this out over the years boom boom boom and you step behind the tree you turn the corner turn the gun up and you're loading the gun as you're firing that shotgun aren't you? Yeah but it's almost the Hollywood bottomless Magazine, the closest thing to is a slide shotgun with a pocket full and a man who knows how to run it like a machine gun. Yeah, it's good. And I have a Model 12 where you can hold the trigger down and you don't have to let up. That's the kind of one. That's the one you want right there if you can get one of those. I guess they're illegal, I don't know. No, they're not illegal. Come on. That's what I heard. Someone said that you can't have them anymore. No, it doesn't stuff that up there. That's what they told me a while back. No, it's just simply me and... I'm going to go shop. What they want to do is get that very expensive Model 12 from you. It's worth some money. That's what they want. You need to sell it. Well, I don't know what happened to it to get lost. No, it doesn't. It's not, first of all, the model... Okay, is it a pump gun? Okay, stop. Is it a pump gun? Yes or no? Winchester. It's a pump gun. Okay, it's not illegal. Period. It had a different mechanism on your side. I thought there was something wrong with it. No, stop. Listen to what I'm saying. Think about what you're saying. Don't repeat the question. I took it apart and I could tell it was all factory. So, nobody messed with it. Don't repeat. Stop. Don't even qualify yourself. Stop. Right here. It's a pump gun. There's nothing special about it. It is a pump shotgun. It's like his model, Ithaca, model 37. The model 37 and a Stevens model 66 will do the same thing all day. All you do is hold the trigger back, the Sierra's automatic and you slam fire it. I can put five rounds. I've got Ithaca Model 47s I've collected for years. There's no disconnect. There's no disconnect. You don't have to put a trigger right? Right. Yeah, but that's kind of rare. You can't buy them. No, they just don't make them anymore because again, it's a double safety, what they've got is a double safety system. That's why again, when you release, you have to activate the disconnect. Basically, the Ithaca Model 37, the model 66, the Stevens 66 is a great gun for that. In fact, if you're at a distance, you can't tell the difference between the Ithaca and the Stevens. They look that close. They look like that much of a sister gun. The Model 12 is a sought after firearm. When somebody is telling you, oh that's illegal, no they are trying to steal it from you. Oh I'll sell it to you right away. I'll sell it to you to get rid of it. Oh do you want it? Oh you can have it. See that's the kind of BSA pull all the time. It's a pump gun. As long as it's a pump gun there ain't nothing illegal about it. Just don't cut the barrel short. The only thing you've got to worry about is cocaine. I never got rid of it for that reason. I just didn't know what I had at the time. I found it later. There are two things that they always do in the movies. Remember even in Red Dawn we've talked about this. Remember in the first ambush, and this has nothing to do with your pump action when it started to trigger. The first thing they try to do is convince everybody you've got to cut the barrel short. Well think about the first ambush in Red Dawn. All the prints were on those stinking little Russians perfectly. They were using bird barrels, right? Well obviously you don't want to cut the barrel down and spread the shot anymore because every one of those packets of shell holes were in nice 10 inch groups on each one of those green coats. You know here, there and on the side of their leg and whatever. That's the first thing. The other thing is again it doesn't have to in any way shape or form be modified if you know your guns and it will do exactly what you want it to do. Like I said the Model 66, the 12, the 37 and what the hell was another Ithaca before the 37 there's another Ithaca will do the same thing. The 10 gauge, the magnum. No, no, no. It's an earlier model 37 doesn't make any difference. I'm not I-wack. Yeah. You're right. Doesn't make any difference what gauge it is. But if it's a pump gun the only thing that's going to be a restriction is if you whack down the stock and make it too short overall and cut the barrel down. And again, don't even go near 16 inches. Somebody tries to tell you, oh you can go 16 and a quarter. Why? go 18 or 20 inches. That really pisses off the other side when you aren't even near anything they can yap about. Now of course we start shooting hearts, we don't care anyway, but I wouldn't shorten the barrel. You see, like I said, there's a basic load. If you can't hit it with anything. Yeah, next to both of these, drop in real quick. But, you know, what's a four man slug? A bar, and then a four man slug. Are you talking about a poacher's round? You score the case? I'm One thing people need to keep in mind is two places you're probably going to get the worst advice in gun shops. Yeah, that's true. State troopers in gun shops, they're the guy really rough. You don't take what they tell you. You say, okay, show me in writing. Mention was about the shotgun barrel length. Keeping shotguns are 18. You can only have 18 inches. It was purely arbitrary as far as the length was of course concealability. The thing is, don't go anywhere near the minimal length, guys. Like I said, go over the normal length or keep it in original barrel spec. Either way is fine. I don't care, but don't start chopping it down. Well, see what I'm worried about is people are thinking I need a 10 inch barrel shotgun. No, you need to take something like a big bore pistol and throw a whole bunch of shot into a shell there and be happy with that. That will work just fine. They need to ask Randy Weaver about shotgun barrels. Right, exactly. And do you address this before because that's a $10 stinking tax. Right, exactly. It's not even a machine gun class. It's not a class 3 device. It's a class 2B or whatever. Scott, whatever the rating is, it's for... If you can tell your sheriff, convince your local sheriff that you can own a machine gun, he'll sign off on a machine gun. He'll probably sign off on your short barrel shotgun because you're a gun collector, but you can own a short barrel shotgun, sign off from your sheriff, and basically That's your permission to, as you point out, Mark, it's not exactly a class three because it's not a $200 tax like your machine gun. It's a $10 federal tax to own a short barreled shotgun. That's what both of those pieces of trash feds did when they attacked the weavers. That's what it was over. Over a $10 tax. Which is why I had no problem gutting them myself for the same reason. Down the road we will, I promise. There's bugs. Anyway, we had another call. I heard somebody else pitch in. Go ahead, please. It was me, dear. I just wanted to bring up the point. If you guys really want to, Don already brought it up. If you want a short shotgun, the best way is either purchase it through a corporation if you have a small business or you can get a gun trust. You'll see sales for like $125, $100. They have a $10 tax and the cost of the gun and there you're good to go. So it's just a very simple thing to do. There is an interesting round that I saw on the internet and unfortunately my internet is down and I was wondering if anybody had any experience with it regarding the 12 gauge. There's a 12 gauge, they're shooting 50 caliber rounds now out of 12 gauge. and it looked pretty cool. They said it could go for a couple hundred yards. They're shooting, it's a 50 cal tracer and didn't know if anybody had any experience with that. Oh, that's my favorite. That's our favorite crew that try to run things to destruction. Like they said, don't try this at home. There's Sally, Mark, this isn't the Iraq veteran 88. that is selling 12 gauge calorals. Okay, well 12 gauge with a 50 caliber sable round in it. Yeah, yeah. That's probably how it's capable and it's really cool. I didn't know if anybody had any experience in it, but they, I fired a couple of them off on YouTube, but I didn't know if anybody else had any experience. So I always looked at that. The wood should basically work the same as the discarding Sabo BRI series of slugs. All they have done is created a sleeve to cup the 50 caliber round end using a standard 12 gauge case. I believe that is what it is Mark, but they have to have access where the powder will reach the base of the bullet. instead of being like a typical Saba. Right, that just means that what you do is where the WOD is you create a, what you do is take a drill or actually any device you want to or even make your own WOD and the WOD actually has a fire channel that runs through the WOD base into the Sabo area, into the base of the Sabo which can be open also. Right. And then that activates the filament and it starts to burn off while it's going down the barrel. Something that Don had said about the stamp requirements for the short barrel shotgun, they do differentiate between short barrel shotguns depending on what type of stock it has and that will dictate whether you pay the $5 stamp for the AOW, which is any other weapon, or you pay the $200 class III. I didn't realize there was a difference until last year when a Class III buddy of mine told me he has two different shotguns. Both have another same barrel length. One has a pistol grip. One has a full length stock. He had to do regular Class III paperwork for one and AOW paperwork for the other. I would assume the one with the pistol grip became a Class III weapon. No, that's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. That's a gun. 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With a longer barrel tube but using different types of wads and different cups or no cup and a simple straightforward wad, you can have her open up right at the end of the barrel and actually have greater dispersion than that short barrel gun ever will have. Because typically the short barrel gun is still using a wad, a modern case, a modern shell. That's where the problem is. We seem to forget that our technology has perfected the technology to kill that air bunny, the pheasants, or the water bunny, the duck, because they're bunnies of the air. We perfected the shot so that we could keep it clustered so we could do a better job of putting the rounds on target. Well, because of that there's a whole science to reaching or achieving that range with a standard shell off the shelf. Buckshot, needless to say, is not as much of a problem, but even there, there's a wad or slash a standard cup. sheathing everything. If we change the formula for the way the shell is configured internally, we change the spread immediately. And the other thing is like with a single or a double barrel pocket 12 gauge solution, go back down like you said down to those three-quarter of those half shells. In fact, those would be a good solution or even reducing the load. It doesn't have to be a magnum or even a standard load in order to still chew a hole through people. In fact, it will do a hellacious job on people in standard velocity circa 1880. Let's put it this way. How many people were killed with shotgun shells from the 1880s? I'll fit this over to the right tool for the right job. I'm not going to reach for my shotgun if they're 400 yards away. Right, exactly. I'm not going to reach for prudence if they're coming through the door. My 50 caliber bolt action is going to stay where it is while I might for certain be reaching for the shotgun. Gopop, gopop, gopop. Yep. Cut, slide, dash. Great place to have a short-pale shotgun, a very short-pale shotgun, has any really good place for using a breaching gun. Other than that, a standard shotgun is what you need. The 3-shot magazine, preaching gun, 12-inch barrel, that's about all it's really good for. Unless there's a specific Serbu down there in Florida that builds and sells one to the US military and breaching, what do they do? They shoot the three hinges off the door with it, don't they? Right, exactly right. Yep, three-shot gun. They keep the chamber empty when they're ready to breach. They load around, fire the three shots, the door comes off and they go in. There you go. So, guys, we don't make this stuff up. Yep. The big thing here again is in many cases, there are a few other applications, we've talked about drivers. Drivers are really in a stick because typically, well number one, they're not supposed to be focusing on anything other than driving. They're not supposed to be shooting, but they have to be armed because you never know when the zombie is going to show up at the window. And that's where one of those, like a small shotgun would be handy or a volume fire pistol that's heavy caliber, a light rifle. Uh oh, we're already at the top. Anyway, the idea is there are a few spots where they're handy, but they're so unique that not necessarily critical to the inventory. God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Ooh-rah! Doggo your number for night vision. You're gonna be available in just a minute. Give it out twice. Hey, that number's 2317968458. Again, 231796. 8 4 5 8 Thank You Mark God bless you God bless you America This next announcement is serious news, and you won't hear it in the mainstream media. We are living in an age full of catastrophic events, and it's getting worse. 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