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In fact, while there seems to be a good number of mags that have come into the middle price range for the AR-15, not much for the AK and not much for anything else, In fact, even the Glock mags came a little burst here about three or four weeks ago. There was a handful of Korean that actually were a little more reasonably priced, not much, but they're gone. special notification, knowing the control media not to talk about these things. And I understand why, it's just the way things are going. But in terms of 9 millimeter, 45 ACP, all the standard military calibers, in some cases virtually cleaned out. It depends on how big, no one's really been able to pick up or build up the inventory that we had a year and a half, two years ago. And even there the inventories were already depleted, guys. But, right now, there's this window, a lot of you are ahead of the wave. I don't see any relief on 22. There have been a few places that have had 22 for $3, $4 a box for 50 rounds, $2.97 right around there. But even as quickly as people find out about them, pretty well they clear out. Now, everything else, for whatever reason, now is match or super grade or whatever and is crazy priced. E-LIE used to be $5.70 a box plus or minus and there are different E-LIE grades whatever you want to spend money on you can. Consistency varies. As far as quality you don't spend more supposedly you get better. Personally you have to test your weapon just because it's expensive. It doesn't mean it's necessarily going to work that much better than the lesser great ammunition that's still $2 or $3 cheaper per box. The reason I say that is because each weapon has its own unique characteristic, especially if they're designed weapons for accuracy. Remember, Ruger, Colt, High Standard, International, There are all kinds of stuff that has been out there over the years that was built and it had different special aligned features or concepts that were built into it. In the middle and early 60s, the big thing was stainless barrels and micro-grooving. Now, micro-grooving with lead bullet and lower velocities like the .22 were not a problem. In fact, we still have some tack-driving micro-groove rifles out there. that haven't really changed at all. Where the micro group came into a problem with the stainless is that they had just been developing stainless to the higher degree of production that we now see and take for granted. Because of that, the steel that was used in the Remington's had a tendency to, with the stainless barrels, had a tendency to wear much faster, especially with the belted 7-millimeter Remington mag. So, many of those barrels and the weapons are actually collector's items because a lot of people took them off and changed them out or changed them back over to carbon steel. It's just a little bit of history you need to know. Just because the barrel has been changed on that Remington doesn't mean that it's not a factory gun. Typically, they sent them back to the factory. Now, the barrels were, they wouldn't blow up or anything, but the accuracy dropped at about 2,000 rounds. Now that ain't nothing for a both-action commercial heavy rifle. There were people going, what the hell happened? Because the micro-group barrel was very popular in the 1903 Springfield and also perfected in a number of different weapons for Remington. But when they went to the stainless, that first generation stainless had a few little glitches. They were dealt with. It was fixed. They took care of it. The idea was to premiere with that new round, with the new 7mm Remington Magnum round. Just like the 300mm wind mag on the other side of Winchester, the 7mm Remington was supposed to be the Cats meow. And it was. They were both popular rounds. The Belford Mangoms were in vogue and the rest is history. So in fact, 40-50 year old history now. Here it is 2013. So 50 years ago it doesn't seem like it, but it was. Most of this 22 ammunition you're seeing mid or low end for 99% of what you're doing. I know a lot of people are having a breakdown and buy something and so they're buying the match grade or the competition grade 22 that they're, you know, stabbing us for, guys. They're not producing the lesser ammunitions in good quantity. They're prioritizing the hyper grade so that they can milk the most out of your wallet. It's purely a personal choice, better some than none. And if you didn't buy enough for your 22 years ago, Well, we understand. Or if you're new, come into the picture. You've got to run what you can. And whatever appears to work, well, get it. Make it part of your inventory, but you're going to have to be patient. And don't blow all your money out on that .22. Remember, for the price of the more expensive .22, you can buy a whole lot of center rifles. In the past, they were quite a four-inch cheap. I put in today just something that needs to be in the brain basket there with the system. Before he came up on the air system, not just here. I've had people that told me, Hey, Mark, you know, for connections system burping, you know, hiccuping. Yeah. We had a couple of times where you cut out. all together there in that last few seconds. Interesting. And again guys, this is happening not just at this end, but it's happening around the nation. So don't be surprised. I'm down in Texas and we're having hiccups. Yeah. And so I don't believe that's an accident either. We need to be prepared for, like we said, some of the other stuff that everybody's been kind of suspecting is, you know, waiting in the wings here. The situation is It's going to get interesting to say the least in the next couple of days. I think the bummer care thing is really put a torpedo in the boat. The bad guys. And again, there's an argument that this was done intentionally or it was done accidentally. And then there's all the debates in between. Well, here's how it works. You're dealing with creatures who are used to pull pedaling, guys. And they bought everybody, and they bought everything. And they turned a blind eye, and they plugged in what they plugged in. Well. Now we're in a situation where the writing is on the wall, there's nothing they can do to really fix what they've done. Normally, as I would say, with any other situation like this, the government would have grabbed the people who were responsible for the program and they would arrest you. Now that is a fact. I've dealt with DOD, donor destruction operations for a long time, probably the best example. There are all kinds of stuff that we can point to where we've had people and when they've had this kind of a criminal failure, especially when they've taken billions, they say it's hundreds of millions, it's billions of dollars that they pilfered. Again, for what? This is software operations, guys. There wasn't any Obama hardware plugged in here. This is all absolute thieving, 5 gallon pail graft and corruption on a massive scale. I don't think that as I pointed out this morning, and I would remind everybody again, this goes all the way back to it. It sounds weird, but it's not. The original BDU scandal for the US Army. Blattenstein, Cohen, Bloomberg, and all these other Steens and Mans and whatever were tied up in this thing because again, it was the first camouflage uniform the Army had been adopting since the original proposal back in 1956. Of course, they had contracts during the Vietnam War, but they were limited. All of a sudden, we were going to get the new, frumpy, you know, uniform, BDU uniform that was going to be the Cats meow. Well, the contractors subcontracted and the subcontract and Izzy subcontracted to Saul and Saul subcontracted to Coleman Blatsonstein and Coleman Blatsonstein subcontracted to Izzy Blimberg. By the time they were done, it went around the world to some obscure point where the material was not pre-shrunk and the color of that, the dyes, were not set on the material. First time that everybody warm washed them the way they were supposed to, all of a sudden the uniforms turned a really strange blue. That's because the black dye especially was not set and it bled into everything. Now if you're an old soldier from when the Woodland Camel came out from the middle post Vietnam era guys, you'll remember this. We had a trade out uniform. Most guys fortunately didn't throw away their green weenie uniforms so we put those on. But immediately there was a scandal because this was wherever this equipment showed up. It first people thought, oh it's just that uniform I had. Then they watched the second one, then they watched the third one. They all fell apart. They all end up with the same problem. Immediately they arrested these characters and there was a whole It all came out in the wash that Blatts and Steen, Cohen, Bloomberg, etc. had pretty well screwed the army across the board with all of the scam bids and everything that they had done. The fact that they had not done any security on it, they had not built it right. That is where we went with the uniforms. In fact, they went to prison. Now, here we have something where by comparison, although certainly we spent big money on those uniforms, that's jump changed by comparison to what they just squandered on BS. I mean, this is like blatant, massive fraud. Intentional or unintentional makes no difference. We need to be talking about arresting and charging. That should be on everybody's lips. That's the only thing you should be talking about right now. Arresting and charging. Well, they're stupid. It doesn't make any difference. Arresting and charging. They need to go to prison. Where's the money? Remember that Tom Cruise thing? Call me the money! Where's the money? Hey! Remember that? Well, where'd all the money go? And why did it leave the country in the first place? That's the other problem. Maybe we can get a call or who do we have? I think Seattle. Go ahead Charlie. Take your time. You're a little squeaky there. I'm laughing because you're talking about those uniforms that fell apart. Maybe they were Go Green uniforms, made of cardboard shreds and cotton balls and things that they're trying to get everybody to dumb down and where they couldn't get the Army uniform. Then there's those Marine Corps hats that came out with that look like drill caps. They're like trying to get the Marines to wear those. Oh yeah, well that's the, again, you've got to remember, oh my goodness, what are we having? What do you think of taking over the military? Oh my goodness, it's the post-docs. We actually will have three uniforms. We'll have the kind of motto, man uniform. We'll have the motto, female uniform. And we'll have the other sex uniform. Oh my goodness, and it will have the button fly in the rear. It's very exciting. Kind of like a Navy pant. The sad part about these uniforms is that they tried to make it work. There was nothing they could do to fix it. It was done. They ended up dumping a lot of these into the surplus. In fact, I still have three or four examples of these. In fact, I know that in one of our videos, I think if I look through the footage from at least a couple of the stock pieces that are there, that I can point out at least one of those BDU blouses because once they bled out so far they couldn't bleed anymore but they had kind of a midnight blue green coloration that set in because the black bled over everything. Now as a night uniform they really didn't work out too badly there because you know the blue range and purple range is what you want to use. So in that respect I guess if you're trying to conceal at night It helped a little, didn't help very much, but it helped a little. It still didn't make any sense and it looked god awful terrible. And of course there were guys that hadn't washed uniforms yet, there were guys that had washed uniforms. The other problem is the pant legs shrank by about 2-3 inches and the arms shrank by about 2-3 inches. So they had to trade all these uniforms out. They were not pre-shrunk material which was, you know, we'd already perfected this. At the time before we came into the Woodland uniform we had permanent press, 50-50 cotton polyester blend uniforms and they were immaculate. I mean they really were. They were perfect office uniforms. The one thing that was a problem too is everybody was told you are not to starch and you are not to press these new BDUs. They turned right around and they were trying to get them to do it no matter what and it was supposed to be a tactical uniform. This is one of the things that came out of the Vietnam War. And you know there was army we're supposed to be tactical so instead of all the prim lines and everything super clean and you know gig lines squared away Didn't exist But because fortunately a lot of us didn't listen and bring our uniforms in hint hint hint I learned this from old sergeants a long time ago You don't ever turn anything in when they tell you to hand anything over well lo and behold all of us who didn't turn our uniforms in Guess what we had something to wear everybody else Well, the sword said I had to do it. Well, no, you just made a point of walking your stuff down there and surrendering it. That was your mistake. The other thing is everybody had to run out to the thrift stores on base and buy used uniforms. It cleaned out all the uniforms around the racks there. They're usually families, so you would take your old uniforms and you'd have like a rummage sale for the troops. And you could down there once a week and the doors would open up and you could go in and buy anything that was there. Dress blue uniforms, baby clothes, you name it. Well, all the OD green uniforms disappeared off the shelf in a matter of minutes. So it didn't take long, guys. Everybody realized they better cover their arse for something that had to be kind of regulation. All because of a greedy set of buggers that just screwed us. So this whole thing with this old bummer care, this Satoro uncaring program, this is nothing new. It's just that they do need to be arrested. We would do this to anybody else. That tells you something about the skanks running the thing and how corrupt this is. Anybody else would have automatically been arrested. That person is in charge. She doesn't get to resign. She should be arrested. That's something that needs to be driven home, constantly. Arrest and charge. Anyway, we still got shown there. Let's test and see if the phone is working. Just to be safe. Okay, well, sounds like you might have I'm still here. There we go. Go ahead, jump in there please. I was going to say, I took a look at those uniforms online that we designed for the males for the marine florists compared to the females there. They're goofy looking. You might as well put a coffee can on the guy that said spray paint at white and call it good. I mean, they're just embarrassing. I'd be embarrassed as a citizen if you might. I mean, they look like you could do a better job with a can of spray paint and that'll come in. Well, and again the sad part these will be these are all Chinese made I'll point out go walk look at our videos that I did on the mass Executions over there, you know where they have the two people holding people Look at the way you can tell that these are not old pictures guys It's just like the take a look at the Chinese May Day parade where they just had their big national parade everybody pay attention to the uniforms of the officers in the in the risers and the men and women marching by Look at their headgear. The beret is the standard army, not the Green Beret type beret. It's the woman's beret. They're making them there en masse, so they've embraced them. They're the color of their uniforms. I challenge everybody, guys. Look at the color of their officers' uniforms. They've gone to our forest green. They're not the Russian off OD anymore. Mark, Mark, I have an idea about that. It's just like in World War II when the MI5 went and sold the uniforms through the British. They would make them so that on the inside they were gray and on the outside they were a darker color and then they could follow the stitching pattern and turn them into civilian suits they had to escape. So maybe the Chinese are doing the same thing. They're going to make our American uniforms, turn them inside out and suddenly they fit into them and they're red uniforms. Well, I think they just figured they're making them and they'll just embrace it and then they'll still sell us more because after all we're pretty well handing the shop over to them. The sad part is whatever goofy headgear they've come up with, I'm somehow picturing, like you said, this coffee can. It's more like a conical. Does it have a conical, like an angle to it or is it straight? It's straight like a French Lee's fan. Like a foreign Legionnaire hat? Yeah, World War II, General de Gaula. Oh, great. Yeah, yeah. That's good. The French look especially is on my list of things to not do. Well, we're not with the Legion yet. Well, yeah, they're working on it though, sir. And just call yourself Bojest and you'll be fine. By the way, I'm not trying to get rid of your things today, but we are at the bottom of the hour for break. For everybody out there listening, it is Communications Tuesday. I will remind you, go to govliquidation.com, guys. govliquidation.com. govliquidation.com. They have a whole communications section there with all kinds of audio visual stuff. But in addition to radios on occasion, headsets and also camera technology. You might want to check that out if you're to you. We'll be back. We're going to go to break. It is the Intel Report. It is Communications Tuesday, CQ, CQ. This is KWA359 or Echo Echo Foxtrot. Do you copy? Anyway, real quick, I pointed out the gov liquidation here at com, guys. I've talked about the headsets. You've seen it. If you look at any, do any Google search or image search with any different server that you run into out there that can offer an image service of some kind. Punch in for US troops in Iraq, US troops in Afghanistan, foreign troops overseas, modern warfare slash Iraq slash wherever where Euro forces are operating or US. If you look you'll notice the weight and gauge of the equipment that's being used. Now they went to light tech several years ago. But that's kind of faded after extensive use in favor of more industrial mechanized type headphones and boom mics. In fact, you'll recognize the basic patterns. The companies probably that got the specs laid down simply took the existing stuff off the shelf and made it work. But these are of course also Wolfseers. They can enhance hearing with regard to the mic pickup and they reduce any kind of ear damage because they of course have a knockdown system for increased decibels. So they have a safety decibel rating that's quite reasonable. This is especially critical because obviously small arms fire, things go boom in the night and during the day. However, the technology is fairly cheap, hint hint hint, if you take a look at the history of the bids on the headsets that have been coming through gov liquidation. Now it sure as hell what they're paying for them isn't what Uncle Samuel did and a lot of these are either new or like new. They've been issued to a degree some, but most everybody's picked these up but a lot of them have been in excellent condition. the govliquidation.com. Over in the corner there they've got audio and visual, video, there's a whole section there with electronics. Don't confuse that with the computer work, there's other sections there. But this will be audio visual, you get over in there and they've got headsets, specifically and separate from other items that are listed when you get into the electronics. Go to that, right now there's about six or seven small lots by comparison. There have been hundreds I'm not exaggerating. Hundreds and hundreds of these headsets coming out. There are also hand mics for a lot of you guys that have the old PRC radios. There are hand mics right now that are military bouncers. It will take a hell of a lot of abuse. They are in the system right now. These are the hanger types. They have the plastic hanger on the back. Sometimes those are actually snapped off. This is very common for those to break. The handset itself is considered a throwaway item, but they are not. They are very well made. They are made with the hole and that hanger are molded as one piece. Because of that, if they're on your web gear, you drop or you move around, you try to crawl through a hatch on an APC, those headphones and those mics, the mics especially, always get hung up. and whatever they are hooked to on your gear, usually the gear held up better than that clip did. Okay, so that's why they're missing on a lot of them. They just snap right off because they're cast literally of the same material as the handset itself. They come out as a hook. The hook fits perfectly on your web gear, strap hangers, that's what they were built for. Okay. Anyway, I heard a few more dings. Do we have any callers? Jump in there. And Star6, unmute yourself. Hey Mark. Go ahead, jump in there, sir. I had told you last night, and I just wanted to apologize, because at the end I was trying to say thank you, and one of my friends was beating on the front door. So I ran to open it while you were asking me a question and tripped over the cord, so I'm here to say thank you for all your helpful information yesterday about the availability and the PTR. Oh, you're not a problem. The big thing here again with the PTR is, like I said, right now with the firepower available, The issue of the ammunition, ammunition is the question mark. Mags for the PTR are the cheapest. I was just talking to one of the guys who was discussing, disposing of one and I knew it happened and he changed his mind. He's not going to sell it. I wasn't surprised about that because he started to look at the cost of things right now again. He kind of picked up the PTRs a little about a year and a half, two years ago. He hit him at just the right point when they first started up and he got at least one of those from Maine Military. When the PTRs first came up online in the US, Frank with Maine Military had a real good connection with them. He was first on the list. When everybody else was talking about them, Frank actually had them up there in that little corner in Maine. and he was selling them left and right. But what's happened is people found out, hey, these are nice rifles. Well, what happened is the availability went down simply because interest went up and everybody was snagging them as soon as they were leaving the factory. And I don't know how far back they are on their orders right now, but I know that they are comfortable. Even now, the PTR plant, and of course they do make different grades. You want to spend $3,000 on a PTR 91? You can. If you want to spend a lot less, you can. So there are a lot of numbers in between and a lot of variations. I don't mind the folding stock on the HKs, but I'm not excited about them. Personally, with most folding stocks they are not really needed. We are infantry to begin with. Other than the fact that everybody seems to think they look cool, the biggest problem is that remember you are looking for maximum range and accuracy. Folding stocks have a tendency, no matter how hard they have tried, to loosen up. Now there are some positive lock versions. The Velmae is a positive lock folding stock. That's where you have two wedges that wear on each other. So no matter how they wear, they wear positive into each other and create a firm contact. The wire stocks, on the other hand, have a tendency to get tired, and I've seen these, like I said, carried a lot of different AKs when I was in service. And the wire stock models that had been around since they were probably some of the early models that were produced for Europe, Everyone we ran into was wobbly. It was just the nature of the beast. A lot of the weapons we picked up that we would be using in the SF group, they were arsenal weapons that had been battle-filled from somewhere, typically from Vietnam. In the middle and later part of Vietnam, Czech stuff was showing up. A lot of other Eastern Euro stuff, AMDs, stuff like that popped into the service and was eating out real quick. A lot of guys grabbed them and carried them home, but every once in a while they'd give one to the research and R&D people who were curious about them. Again, the thick stock 18 inch plus barrel would be best, 20 inch would be nicer. Did you make those? Oh yeah, they're making longer barrel PTRs, yes. I believe I've seen up to a 23 on them right now. Oh yeah, I went on Enterprise Arms and they have them up there like that too. They have like 18 points and 23. Yeah, the 18 is what you want at least. The 16 is what everybody... That magic 16 number to me, I don't understand, except for the gun restriction with regard to the length of barrel. But I don't need a barrel shorter, especially in a .308. If I'm buying a .308, I want as much barrel. If I'm buying an MBR of any kind, I want as much barrel as I can. Most of the ammunition is built around a battle rifle length barrel if it is .308. So if you go shorter, you're going to get more muzzle flash. That's just all there is to it because, again, there's burnt powder still coming out the end of that tube. See so longer is better. It's like the nagot rifles fire a nagot in the model 91 and then shoot a fact especially in the twilight right now we're in twilight right now Go out and take a model 91 and fire it next to a nagot model 44, you know a carbine Look at the difference in muzzle flash See that's and again remember somebody shooting at you is also looking at the difference in muzzle flash Hey, he's over there You know so it doesn't mean you're gonna hang out and use them You're gonna you know just remember that that's something I noticed when I carried a shotgun up first time we fired shotgun at night In fact, you know there's two things and it is interesting because a lot of guys still like to carry pump guns we carried Two pump guns in the unit we had two rpds We had two bar I was carrying a Chinese AK defense rifle, a lot of guys were, and then we had two shotguns. I'll tell you, the first time we were firing at night, the one thing you could hear is BOOM! I knew exactly where that shotgun was. To my left and my right or to my rear. BOOM! BOOM! Unlike the AKs or the ARs which was COME ON! COME ON! COME ON! You know, and again, whomp whomp whomp whomp. There is no sound of them. It is there but you don't really hear the sound of the action. Again, as I've said many times, know the sound of each of those weapons. Get them out in the field, listen to them, and have everybody else pay attention too. Have them listen to the weapons. What are we firing? What are we hearing? Especially at night that's going to be critical knowing the weapons that are in your unit a couple things here the rpd guns work flawlessly both of those were Chinese rpd's which were not top of the line and yet they still we never had a malfunction with them even though we I've heard all kinds of write-ups at the rpd's had this problem and that problem we never experienced that the bar's now you got to remember this is in the 70s the bar's that the guys were carrying No, they were heavier than sin by comparison to the M16 and even the M14, but you know what? Once the guys fired the BARs, you couldn't get them out of their hands. They just wanted to be assigned to BAR from that point forward. They wanted to be bar men. You know, BAR men. And they were. AK, I never had a problem with the... I had a tired but reworked and repainted Chinese type defense rifle. I'll tell you what, even in its tired mode, the first time I picked up one of these Chinese AKs that was being imported, it was like, what the hell is this? Because the rifles were all machined, the earlier ones were all machined rifles, the new ones were stamped. There's a big difference in the sound of those two weapons between a factory pre-Vietnam war AK built in a factory with slave labor, but with all machine tools as opposed to a stamped gun. That's the first thing that jumped out at me. I was just saying it's about $200 or $240 for a hundred mags. They will be aluminum, but there is nothing wrong with that. I have a pile of aluminum and I have two egg crates and I keep accumulating them. In fact, I made a deal on a batch that were sorted and they weren't the pretty ones. So I got two egg cartons full of steel mags for the HK. They are safe and away, but they are safe and they are sorted. So the mag pouches, One of the things to consider, in fact, I'll tell you what, are you familiar with the German web gear that the Germans have been issuing that's theirs? Have you seen it? I have seen it, but I'm not that familiar with it. Okay, the thing is that the main military, Frank, picked that stuff up. Now, here's the thing. Mag pouches have been the problem. I know where the mag pouches are coming from and wholesale, they'd be a little cheaper, but not much. Right now, RoyalTigerImport.com. If you want to build up one of those German web gear sets, Frank has all the basic components there. He has the belt, the suspender, I think it comes with a canteen holder, and he's got other pouches. What's interesting is they're in Flectar, which is really nice. Royal Tiger imports doesn't have a whole lot but what they do have is you get two steel mags or two aluminum mags and you pay less if you buy the aluminum. But two steel mags and the mag pouch for a set price. I don't think you can hear that chopper low flying over us right now. I mean low low flying over us. Anyway, in a lot of air traffic the last 48 hours by the way guys, low level jet aircraft traffic too. So a lot of things happening around the area. Anyway, RoyalTiger.com. Go to them and check out and go through their page. Now, most everybody has these. They have the Flecktarn holsters for the P-38, but they work with a lot of other pistols that are in the same nylon as the pouches. And it's the same hanger system that you need for the German gear. The German gear is unique. It does not match up with anything else, but it is very comfortable when it's put together right. It predates all these MOLLE gear and all the others. It was a different idea altogether, but it's a nice modular rig. You can get the mag pouches from Royal Tiger Imports, canteen pouches and spare pouches along with the whole system. You can buy the whole harness from Frank at Maine Military. That would match up with that PTR very nicely. I'm sorry, would you recommend a German made scope for the original HK91 and then the claw mount? I get the claw mount, but remember as I pointed out if you look around and I'm CenterfireSystems.com had the claw mount. I had about 15 of those scopes with the claw mount. In fact some people listening know that because they got them when I made a deal with the same company that has all the magazines. They had a big pile of those scopes and mounts and that's where they all came from that everybody else sold. I got the tail end of those. As far as I know, they haven't had any more of those come in, but another company did bring in the mounts because there were a bunch of scopes that had been abused. They took the scopes off, and I think they sold those for parts to other people, but what they did is they took the standard claw mount and they put a picatinny rail on it. Now, if you go that way, you can spend a little less money because you don't have the optics, but what you do get is a universal fixture so you can put any kind of optic on it you wanted to include Don's night vision. So you still want to use the claw mount. That's the best solution and those things were a stupid price. To actually make that today, it's an infusion cast fixture that is then finished machined where it needs to be. And I don't know unless the Chinese slaves make it most of the countries you couldn't afford them if they had to make it for you Certainly not the Germans anymore as surplus. It's affordable if it was a new item. It'd be like oh my god you want how much for that because if you take a look at how that's built it actually is intricate and Intricate nowadays always means we'll jack you for it and especially HK So it's either an aftermarket from China or surplus that we've been running into If I couldn't find a... I definitely would go to the claw. I mean, you've got to use it. It's what you need to do. This is the only way to go. Okay. Because I definitely want to throw a scope on there, but I keep hearing that you can't get a value scope because it breaks them and it leaves the nitrogen out of them. Well, most of them are actually intact, even the ones that were dinged. In fact, I've looked at a lot of those. Most of them were pristine, were never been issued. Initially, they were just selling them all out of the same bibs because they had the same time that the mags came in, all those scopes and mounts came in. They came in two ways. They came with the original 60s hard shell, an oaty green hard shell carrier. But then the next generation had the Fleck tar carrier and they actually match up with the German web gear. They had the German hangar system. So both of those were in the same boxes. Most of them were in many cases, not most, but a big chunk were virtually unissued. Then a percentage were lightly used and then there were some that, boy, they bounced these around in the APC, didn't they? And originally they actually were issuing a large number of those more than just simply to one or two marksmen. The German philosophy was, as we've been talking about, is reach everybody at range. So, they tried to offer optics in an early stage way before what we see today where everybody started to go to pop ups and you know like red dots and whatever. The Germans and the Brits, the Brits had proposed it with their bullpup rifle that they wanted to push for the NATO rifle back during the tests in 1955-56. That rifle would have had optics just, all they did when they made this new bullpup is scale down that rifle. It's all they did. They took it from the 7mm assault round down to 5.56 because they realized everybody was going to use 5.56. That rifle used basically the same optics in the original design as the Hirschfeld, as the German. So the Germans kind of figured they would be ahead of the curve and they started actually issuing out the optics in large numbers. Well, it didn't go over the way they expected. Everybody pretty well stayed with the iron sights for the majority of the troops. It didn't bother the Germans much because it gave them more sniper grade or marksman grade weapons options out there. Remember too, they also made their Starlight to the same claw mount fixture and spec so it was a quick change out day to night. Like I've said before, if you buy cheap you could go from the day to the night and it wasn't a big deal to switch out. The optics were comparable and the performance of the optics was comparable. Both for their night vision and not Starlight but originally an infrared, forgive me. Some of those units are out there too. In fact, I was just looking at one for $300 which actually includes everything including the carry box, the infrared, the illuminator, and all the fixtures and everything. $300, that's not bad for $300. Yeah. Wow. Gen 1 though, right? Oh, it's pre-gen 1. It's infrared. It's not starlight. It's infrared. However, there's some mean tricks. Infrared will detect starlight. People don't know this, but we already tested this years ago and it's proved out. We had Marines with Gen 2, Gen 3 equipment in front of us. We took pre-Gen 1. Actually, it was the last two generations of infrared, mounted them on M14s, but we took the illuminator off the top of the scope and we put them on poles that were about 7 foot long. Now, we could have gotten, at this time the infrared illuminator LEDs were out there already too, the early ones. Actually, it's the infrared LED using your remote control. But what we did is we took the high-res illuminators that were beamers and we put them on poles with the power supply down below and duct taped it to the pole. Now what we did is when we knew we had a fixed defensive group, what we did is we had the guys with the illuminators step off 100 yards left or right or 50 yards left and right of wherever we had the rifle. What we would do is beam the area and what this did is it made the infrared sight passive. There's nothing coming off the infrared site. If it has illumination it will collect. But what we found out is something very interesting. If you wash the area you could pick out every modern starlight device with the infrared device when it was in front of them out to about, oh, three quarters of a mile. They look like you could find every golf ball is what they look like because each of them from the front of the scope For whatever reason, when you hit it with illumination, there is a bleed off the front, not off the back, right out of the front of the lens. So this old tech 5 and dime, in fact at the time we paid $47 for the infrared systems that included the mounts, the scope mounts, the fixtures, the battery packs, and everything for $47. At that time, the starlight, especially Gen 2 going into Gen 3, early, early, early Gen 3, you're talking thousands and thousands of dollars per unit back at that time. And we were defeating it. We were doing what the Russians planned. Basically, we just employed what the Russians proposed. The SVD sniper rifles had what was called passive collection. They weren't starlight. They originally weren't infrared. and what they did is they wouldn't put the illuminator on the rifle. They used illuminators in other locations and they watched for our illuminators. Think about it. Their logic was, well if he's carrying a night vision device, he's important. We'll kill him. Ooh, that's mean. Taking the battlefield seriously. So again, old tech That's why none of this stuff coming out is obsolete. Even the stuff that's older, although again, it should be cheaper still, but you've got to remember the translation in American punk dollars. Are dollars going down in value? Right now you can get a complete, I think, check or Polish AK night vision system in the box complete. I'm pretty sure ApexGunParts.com. Take the time and check them out, guys. www.ApexGunParts.com. Apex Gun Parts. Then in check for their, they've got, it's $300. It's complete. It's got everything. It has the illuminator, it has the IR system, it has the mounts, the slide mounts, it'll go on, I think on the SVD. Certainly will go on any AK with the side bracket mount that we have now. And the neat thing is, is that everything's there. The only thing that they, I don't believe the thing that they have are the match up battery packs that go with it. They have the battery boxes and everything, the small battery box. But the batteries were again a unique 1.5 volt stacked system. So not a big deal. 1.5 volts is a standard D cell battery or C cell or AAAA. So what you do is you come up with a battery fixture to go inside the little box and you light up your night vision device very, very quickly. And that for $300, that's not bad for a starlight system. And again, that illuminator comes off. It has spare lenses. At the very least, you have some really neat stuff to experiment with also as far as the illuminator goes. And a couple things you could do that would be really kind of cool is you can change out to these ultra bright LEDs for the illuminator behind the infrared lens. And it'd be burning like the sun. It should be kind of cool, I think. So, there's all kinds of interesting stuff still out there. And again, consider this. How many people, in terms of area defense for a retreat, how many people are actually going to have starlight in opposition to you, securing an area? Other than gooberment types, and their equipment is going to tire out, die out, and fall apart real quick, A poor man's solution to put more security on the ground is these older weapon sites like this. They're not going to be front line, but they would be good enough for operational security and for combat operations in defense mode. Just something to think about. And again, the price is right. Anyway, we're at the top. I thought it there. Guys, we're going for the time being. I appreciate the calls and the questions and the input. Uh, for everybody out there, let's see, I think we have special programming, it's Tuesday! Do we have, I think we have Joe coming up next, don't we Ed? And I'm trying to contact you on Skype. I knew it! 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