October 28, 2013
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Mark Koernke and Don Betcher discussed ammunition availability and pricing on October 28, 2013, noting severe shortages and price increases in .308, .22, and other calibers due to currency devaluation and sustained demand. They analyzed battle rifle options (PTR-91, FN FAL, M14/M1A), magazine costs, and ammunition reliability with military ball rounds. The show pivoted to criticizing the Obamacare website rollout and the embedded national ID requirement, urging listeners to flood the site at quarter-hour intervals to disrupt it. They also discussed a Marine Corps uniform hat standardization issue involving Chinese manufacturing and cost overruns, and called for cable subscription cancellations on November 1st as economic pressure tactics.
- .308 ammunition
- .22 ammunition
- ammunition shortage
- currency devaluation
- ptr-91
- fn fal
- m14
- hk-91
- battle rifle
- obamacare website
- national id card
- preparedness
- militia
- second amendment
- cable company boycott
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One day closer to victory for all of our brothers and sisters, both on and behind the lines in occupied territories west, southwest, central, and south. Well ladies and gentlemen, you were listening to us on... Liberty Tree Radio dot 4 mg dot com, Roll Swan, Indiana Freedom Talk Radio dot com, Ron Ammon, FMI C-B Base Station, and Ultra Net Technologies east and west of the Mississippi along with Alaska. We're on the homework network, top of name, bottom of Florida, bottom of Florida, comes to the archery, and we're off of Mexico. All the way back to Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, big chunk of Nebraska, a whole bunch of Wyoming to include both 3rd and 5th in our friends, the seven sisters on the left side of the state. Colorado, where there's only a trigger pull away from open warfare there, waving to the left coast. Where Feinsteinism and the brown stain of the diaper continue to vomit their wretched stench across the landscape. Yes, the California Soviet Socialist Democracy. Beech Head for communist Chinese occupation when the time comes. paint that state red and yellow. Turning back to the east we sweep across the plains, leap over the burgeoning banks of the Mississippi, and land in the Smokies slash the Blue Ridge where the restaurant, cruise, cabin teams, OK teams, and the Ma Bell Grammar Consortium bring us the Golden Spike. Don, what's it today, sir? Market is the 28th day of October, year of our Lord 2013. Late in the year. You know, hey, October is like the 10th month, isn't it? Yeah, it's 1028. So it's almost November. Speaking of almost November, more on this later, but have you called your cable company yet and told them you're going to shut your cable off on November 1st? More on that later. But it did get dark today and it's going to be cold. It will be the first night for if you've been, oh, your stock tanks you guys, you know what they are in Texas. Up here you call them water and holes. might have some ice on it in the morning markets even to where I'm at supposed to be 28 degrees. Put the hard freeze on a lot of water for the dogs and cats and cows and other things that are outside. You'll have to replace that water in the morning. Don't forget. Again, the 28th day of October. Man, and it's a Monday too, isn't it? So we got through this Monday. I hear a ding, Mark. Maybe we've got a caller, maybe we've got a listener. We have Mike from Texas in the wings there. Mike, jump in there. What do you got? Hey, Mike. Well, we had Mike from Texas. And he tried to call in before the infrow was done. Well, Mark. Who do we have? I saw Bill from Florida. Go ahead, Bill. What do you got? I wanted to know if you could shed some light on the 308. availability. You mentioned something about a couple of weeks ago saying that you heard that it wasn't going to be good. Well, actually it hasn't changed. Right now I have not looked to see what AMMA may have a situation as the big thing is reloads. It's probably we're going to be going military second generation reloads are available still for a few of the companies. Cheaper than the new factory but still not cheap like they used to be as we know. one of the companies, amoman.com, in fact let's find out if we have anything new, www.amoman.com and they were supposed to get some more 308 in, I don't know if they did. I'm not counting on it really, to be quite honest. One of the problems is that The contract runs from overseas, part of it they're blocking as far as we know. For instance, some of the latest batch of wolf stuff coming in, it was not what they expected, number one. And what they did get, well, everybody pretty well scarfed up. So as it stands, whoa, the only two available PMC, well, let's put it this way. PMC is $400 for 500 rounds, ball, 147 grain FMJ. That's an ammo man. And then they've got 1000 rounds of preview partisan Winchester for $640. Which is, well it is cheaper, that's $320 for 500 rounds if you compare it to the PMC. So right now the preview is as good as anything. 145 grain. I don't know how much. Repeat, repeat. 64 cents around is really good. Yeah, the thing is there's only 36 cases left again. They get restocked and they're down again already. And again, that's amoman.com, amoman.com, that's factory fresh. That's first generation, in other words, that's not reloads, those are factory standard. Boxer Prime, heat of the old brass case, 145 grain FMJ, I'd go that direction, that'd be reasonable. That's a good choice. Again, that's amoman.com and that includes shipping. The big thing is we know is it ain't the razor, it's the blades. Shipping is especially heavy on ammo obviously. Hurtful as far as cost. What you're seeing there includes the shipping rate. If you've got something local that might be comparable then fine, go that way. I would check Cabela's and Dunham's. Dunham's not so much. They don't have as much there. What they're getting in the way of deliveries now are what used to be considered single boxes. Everything's been cut. I noticed as far as what's being delivered to Denham's is like a quarter or third the size of what we've seen in the past in terms of the size package that they're delivering. And that's from the factory like Remington, Winchester, PMC, whatever. They've gone to smaller increment boxes across the board. So, obviously, I guess easier for UPS to handle. But also still costing the same amount of the safe, you know a year ago We could buy a case for what you're now buying, you know, so many boxes of for So that's and that's just gonna be where we are. Number one the situation overseas hasn't changed They're still killing each other left and right overseas and then on top of that they plan on doing the same over here So everybody's pretty well figuring. Yeah, they're not gonna get me The whole thing coming back with the veterans from Washington, D.C. is that they basically told everybody, we're not listening, everything is going to hell in a hand cart, buy more ammo. You could see it just as soon as Monday when they got back and hit the ground as far as the inventory and how it started to deplete about a week and a half, two weeks ago. Actually, two weeks ago now, let's say about two weeks. Again, for everybody out there, it's not a surprise, it's just something that we just need to start discovering the countryside for. In fact, keep that we're going to hire more people. Well, it really won't do them any good. I mean, I think they're almost, they're at capacity, most everybody is. The other problem is they can hire more bodies if they had more machinery to run. The problem they've got is that they only have so many machines. It's like everything. My brother was pointing out when he stopped at one of the plants, they gave him a walkthrough. And a lot of the equipment they're running is World War I era equipment. It's lasted that long. And the same is true with regard to World War II equipment. That's already 50, 60 years old. There's not been a big upgrade or change out in the machinery and the technology. They're running capacity. and they're running accurately. The big thing is you've got to maintain quality control. You can't just crank the stuff out. You know that. So their standards have to be much higher. In fact, they're above the auto industry in that respect. More like the spark plug industry or anything else where you have precision technology where there has to be a very specific amount of consistency or the Tiki No Washi. And with ammunition especially, the problem is even if you're hiring more people, it's a learning curve. Unless you're lucky and you happen to be an area where somehow you'd have a rich pile of people or weapons background, most people are not going to really have the experience. Another thing we're seeing very common as a problem is the idea that only so many people with so many hours of machinery and technology and even there, in general, mechanical skills. Now you're talking, the next step is you're talking a specialized skill. The machinery itself is unique to the industry. It's kind of like when you get into printing. When you get into printing, everything is a learning curve up. Once you get to a certain level or you develop the skills and the machinery that they've assigned you to or that you've hired into, then your proficiency and then speed go up with it, obviously. So, even if they were to hire and somehow find another space for more machinery, they almost have to put more buildings up. That's the other comet that's been made several times. We just don't have more space to put another machine. Another thing, thank you for bringing up real quick on this note. Has anybody noticed that there isn't any regular 22 ammo? Have you noticed how everything right now is supposedly premium grade, ultra match, blah, blah, blah? Even the latest wolf stuff coming in says that it's premium grade match. You know, it's like yeah, it's Russian. Okay Why would they not be bringing in standard grade bulk and getting as much in here as they can? I think what they're what everybody's doing is putting premium match grade Which is pretty nebulous because match can be any number of different specs. It's like Eli ammunition. Eli comes in many flavors for a reason. There are a lot of variations on what's called match grade ammo. And Eli knows that. And it's probably the best example of it. Before all the prices went crazy. Now, anything and everything in 22, if it's on the shelf, is all of a sudden premium grade match competition, blah, blah, blah. And the price is matching it. The only place I could find it was on my local pawn shop. and they have a wireless Winchester and Southern brand, so for $60 for it, three times the price that it was originally, so I don't know if I should just wait till they load up. Well, I don't know if it's going to lower up as a problem because they've, you know, what's happened is all the cheap stuff is adjusted to the new hyper, you know, devaluation. The sad part about this is when we start to see this devaluation of the currency for all these digits that are out there, Once they start to load this back on us, you're going to see the prices go up, but we don't get any more digits than we already have. That's the problem with what they call hyperinflation. In reality, it's hyper devaluation of the currency. They make it sound like, you know, inflation sounds positive. In reality, it's devaluation. And that doesn't sound good. Of course they don't want to mention that. Even the negative that they use sounds like it's uplifting and it's not. We're not going to get any more digits. Right now people are pissing and moaning, I'm sorry but that's the best term for it, about the idea we're making minimum wage. Well okay and we are. I mean everybody's making minimum wage or an average minimum wage right now. You don't hire into any way. Great recession. Yeah, so here's the thing. There is no discussion. If the prices have tripled just like you said in ammo, but don't worry, it's going to catch up with everything else. Gasoline will be reflected in that. Food will be reflected in that. They're just scared of doing that right now and keeping it down. They're just changing the packages, altering and mixing and matching the colors so that they can try to baffle everybody while they change the volume that you get for the dollars spent. That's one of the ways that they are hiding the food issue. On the ammunition issue it's more specialized so it became a little more precise and realistic in terms of what the actual exchange rates are on tangible goods to the FRN slash the Wiper Hind End Currency. But it's going to be the same across the board. It's just that the ammunition got to see it first. It's not likely that 22 is going to come down anytime soon simply because With the interest that took place, the very thing that a good old man, I believe Mr. Rexer is gone now, but Fred Rexer decades ago brought it up. He said eventually, 22 ammunition would be more expensive than 300 Winchester Magnum. That's why he called it the spendable currency. That's what he called 22 ammo. and progressively that you know think about it you can do something well it's to the point now with what you just gave me on the quote like sixty dollars for five hundred rounds if it keeps going the way it is I can buy a whole lot of 762 or forgive me 545 by 39 ammo for the same price and I get more boom for the buck when I pull the trigger depending on how fancy the ammunition is and most everything that's out there is this premium grade match match ammo okay that's what they're putting out in the way of a label Well, they're charging as much for that as you are for a standard rifle. So I wouldn't be pressing towards the .22 right now. I'd be watching for any place where people are getting rid of it cheap or where you can find it like on the sly. Somebody's got like yard sale or something like that going on. But I wouldn't be buying piles of it from any of the institutions. I'd be buying centerfire rifle and cheap centerfire pistol if you can find any. I'd be focusing on that right now. Seriously, and you had the right idea, you were asking about .308. Well .308 is a battlefield supremacy cartridge, and we definitely need more of those out there. Problem is, that used to be 13, 15, 17 cents a round. Now it's tripled at 60, 58, 60, 62, 64, and up to a dollar a round. So, I don't see any relief on the horizon and I believe part of what's going to maintain the pace, two things, obviously, devaluation of the currency, number two, everybody is, you know, there's a quiet second wave of purchasing going on that's accelerated right now. And that's why there's going to be a problem with availability in general because there's enough people that use M14s, HK91s, FNFALs, I got a person who had like 200 rounds I just talked to and I said 200 rounds. He goes, well I didn't think I needed much more. I was going to buy it later. It's always been cheap and he came up with all these excuses and I said every time I've seen you I told you to buy ammo, didn't I? And he looked down at the floor and I said the other problem is this. You make more money than most everybody standing here does. So it's not like you would have been out to do it when it was cheap. That's the other half of this, is they'd listen to these people who said, well maybe next year I'll tell you to buy a rifle and maybe a hundred rounds of ammo. You mean just enough to get yourself in trouble? Yeah, and again the kicker on that one is why? It was cheaper and we told everybody, everybody knew it wasn't going to get any cheaper. In fact it's been progressively going up price wise for years anyway. So, had everybody been following the routine we've been talking about, just take a percentage in doing it, everybody on our side would have been stacked up pretty, as it is a lot of people are, or were. But obviously we still always can use more. Everybody is starting to see what their volume consumption is going to be, so now everybody is truly getting serious about it. Well, in addition to that, you get all the new players that just came in. They're really not new players, they finally decided they were going to come off their FRMs and buy what they need. There again, too, had everybody kept up the pressure, say, six years ago, five years ago, four years ago, at the levels that we're talking about, our production inside the United States, which is what I was hoping for, would have increased so that the increase that we want now would have been even greater. The other thing is we would have tapped more of the reserve while we could get it in of the inexpensive ammunition when the door was open. That's when everybody should have been focusing because we could have kept the price down. We would have kept the price down because of volume consumption and the rate that would have been coming in. If we increased it then, we would have doubled it and doubled it and doubled it. Then we would have had a bigger pulse still of less expensive ammunition before the price wall hit. Now we're in reverse order. Although again, a lot of stuff we're looking at is virtually brand new. In fact, hell, it's like only months old or weeks old in some cases. That's a good thing in some ways, I guess, if they haven't doctored the ammo in some way. So it's going to be a challenge. We're going to have to balance it out between heating and heating and fighting load is what it comes down to now. And eventually, like I said earlier, gas is going to catch up. They've been bollocksing it back and forth. Not so much gas, but all the other seasonal conditions. Heating oil, fuel oils, gas, that kind of stuff. It's a natural gas. They always jack that during the season. Well, if they go to Helen Handcart in the middle of winter, which is what they're now yapping about, then it's obvious that they're going to try to hit us right in the middle of the hard season. If you're down south, you won't be too bad off. But if you're up here where we are, it's going to be a bite. That's all there is to it. Go ahead, call her. Jump in there. I'm sorry. Me? I'm sorry. Oh, no. That was pretty much a local gun shop you were mentioning. I was the caller from a What I was interested in the PTR-91 or the FAL and my other local gun shop actually carries both of those magazines. The PTR-91, the HK81 mag is still cheaper. As I told you before, the FAL good rifle, excellent rifle, we've gotten, god knows how many of them built. The biggest thing is that it's become more expensive like the M1A whereas if the big factor is the magazine, I should say the only variable factor is the mag. The price in the rifles is about the same and the PTR-91s are very well made. The big advantage is that magazine for less money. More mags for less money means that's where you're going to save. I heard that the PTR-91 is very picky on the M1. Actually, so far everybody that we know has been shooting has been pretty happy with them. If their HKs are supposed to handle steel case, that's the one thing. brass shouldn't be a problem for them at all. And I'm going to tell you right out what I said right from the get go. First of all, it's a battle rifle. Ball ammo only. Most everybody is talking about some specialized round. Typically where you have a feed problem is a change in the paper of the bullet and the fact that it may be a hollow point or a soft point or whatever. That's where the problems are when you're dealing with military weapons. The SKS, the HK, or forgive me, SKS and the AK, Mark will get it right, hit me in the microphone. Both of those, well the SKS is actually of the two, is far more forgiving than the regular AK is. However, in both cases with these modified military bullets that have been made into hollow points, that's where I've seen malfunctions. And or, again, they're using another bullet and it has this different taper, the bullet taper itself. Every element of the ball round bullet factors into reliability. Whereas anything where you have a different surface or a change in taper, and when I say change in taper, it's from the tip of the bullet along the arc shoulder as it progresses to increase in size out to its final diameter which is 762. That arc sometimes is bulbous But in many cases with the more sophisticated aerodynamic hollow points, it actually is conical. It actually is kind of a straight line from the 30 caliber point. There may be a slight bevel, but typically a straight line to the conical tip of the hollow point. And what happens is where normally there'd be a little bit of a nudge, a gentle nudge or a progressive surface contact area to the chamber, with the straighter conical, long conical, like a dunce cap design, the problem is that you don't get that progressive nudge or roll with the natural action of the bolt picking the round up, canting the round a little bit, moving it towards the chamber, pushing it through the trough, and then driving it into the chamber itself and seating. where the problem usually takes place with the odd rounds or with the unique rounds is on the feed tray slash the feed trough as it's coming in because it doesn't knock it or move it or it may move it erratically or in a different way. What happens is that's where that tip sometimes gets caught on the leading edge of the chamber at some point, typically on the upper wall at the 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock mark. Now we've seen that. It's not the most common thing, but it happens. So again, ball round, ball round, ball round for pretty much everything. That's the first rule. And then again, knowing what your weapon is happy with. They can get 20 rounds of each of what you can find, if you can, and fire 20 rounds through it and see what it does. Have you had much inspired that Siberian round that you just mentioned, that was 64 cents a round? Have you cycled that through a PTR-91? You mean the Privy Partisan? I don't see the Privy Partisan being a problem. That is actually Central Euro Ammo. Okay, that stuff from like, in fact could be Serbia too. Yeah, it is. I actually have stuff from my 357 Magnum. Yeah, it's probably Serbia, but it could be one of the Baltic states too, because previous partisan buys from any number of the different northern climbed states too. So either way, it's designed to basically work and they've been building for the .308 rifles for a long time. It's not like they're new on the block on this in either direction. When they were originally looking at building their own rifle again, well not that they haven't ever not built their own rifle, but when Velmae and the Finns were looking at weapons, they experimented with the HKs, they liked the design, but their logic was the invader slash most likely aggressor to face was going to be Russia, so they adopted the 7.62x39 and the standard Velmae in 7.62x39 as their primary weapon. But they experimented extensively in the late 70s through the early 80s with the HK rifles and others. In fact, they did a bout with the FNFL, not as a standard, but they tested them. They found that the HK fit most of their needs in any configuration that they had decided to test and they went both with a fluted and non-fluted barrel in their testing evaluation. While they didn't adopt the rifle even in its sniper configuration, which is what they figured, okay, maybe they'll go to that, instead they made a Velma .308 Dragon off. and the Valme 308 Dragunov, they also made a 308 Valme squad gun, 20 round magazine like a B.A.R. RPK in 308. However, as I pointed out, while they did not adopt the rifle, they did continue to use the magazine in the RPKs that were made in 308 for Finland, for the Valme. and their export rifles used HK-91 mags that were modified. Those all came from the research programs of the 70s. So they tested them, they made them work, they didn't have any complaints, the German concept of why they built them. The way they built them was because they understood getting into war what they would be doing. Something I haven't heard about the the standards pretty well been met everybody that I know in fact one guy just saw it has a PTR is for sale here locally and the only reason is because he's got three and he wants to pick up something else and He has no complaints with any of the PTRs that he's been running a lot of rounds through and he bought it 308 ammunition back when it was cheap cheap cheap He doesn't blaze. He's a marksman So far he said no, he's had great reliability, he's very satisfied with the PTRs, and he wouldn't trade it out. It's just that he has something he's got his sights on, pardon the pun, and the PTR is something he'll come off because he has two that he's going to keep. It's not that he likes anyone over the other, he bought all three of them at the same time, all with a longer barrel. He may not even sell that. It looks like he is hemming and hawing, which I expected once he started to think about it. Since he has had time, it is like, maybe I don't want to get rid of it after all. It is a personal preference in terms of flavor. Would you think that the PTR is more What kind of tests were you doing? In Europe, the Germans had the FN FAL and the STG 58 variant and such, the Austrians and the Germans. As soon as they could bring the HK program home, they moved towards the HK. Probably as much as anything, it was national pride. Typical for all countries with their weapons. But they perfected it in Spain. It was a covert weapons program. I don't care what anybody says. They knew what they were doing. Set Me was the mother and the final offspring was the HK-91. And that's how it ended up back in Germany. And it's its final form. And all of them have their pluses and minuses. The big thing is the people who have to first of all understand the dial-up sight that the Germans came up with. Everybody also had to have their own cool idea because it was post-World War II and they wanted to go modern. So the dial-up sight is something else. It works. There's nothing wrong with it. You just have to get used to how the sight picture looks when you bring it up to your head. So each one has its advantage. Both of all three of the 308 main battle rifles are pretty well accurate within the same specs. The M14 still has an edge over the two at extreme range. That's where the M14 goes up is at extreme range. Sound good? Yeah. Appreciate the question. And by the way, we're... Uh-oh. Let's see. Are we past the bottom? Yeah, we're past the bottom of the hour here. Don, your number for night vision before we go any farther, please, sir. Hey, that number's 23179631-796-8458. We can talk about goggles or gun sights or green screens or thermal, you guys. 23179684. 5-8, that first generation gun sight, 3-0-8 capable is not back ordered, they're still available, so if you're looking in that direction, give me a call. 2-3-1-7-9-6-8-4-5-8. Thank you Mark. And I just want to check, do we have Mike from Texas? Mike waiting in the wings? I hear another voice. Do I, who do I hear? Oh, just saying thanks Mark, I had a... Okay, very good. I'll tell you what, again for all of our friends out there listening and Mike if you want to jump in there if you hook back up, maybe again, star 6 to unmute yourself if you're listening. Star 6 to unmute yourself. We had Mike try to get in when we had the intro going and I don't think you realized or maybe couldn't hear what was going on. Anyway, just as a quick benchmark for the discussion we just had, the FN FAL, if you're already committed to it, you already bought mags for it, keep it. If you haven't made a decision yet, the HK would probably be your better choice. Prices for the FAL and for the HK will be about the same with the FAL, maybe even costing a little more. M1A, it's up and down, same thing, but about the same price range. The big thing is, magazines and ammo. Since ammunition is the same price, you're going to buy a .308 round no matter which of those three rifles you buy. The next thing that takes into the math formula is magazines. M14 mags? pricey. FNFAL mags? pricey. HK91 mags? dirt cheap and all over the place. Actually they're all over the place but guys here's the thing they're only in one location. I've been to the warehouse I've seen every mag you will buy because they took half of an automotive plant and filled it with those mags. They all come from one source no matter who's selling them they all came from the same source. Well, our mags are better than his mags. No, they're not. They're the same mag. Either steel or aluminum. That's the only difference. In fact, when they first came in, guys, they hadn't even sorted them. So the Virgin, unissued in the plastic wrapper, in the foil, or in the disecant paper, were not sorted and separate from the ones that were mildly used. OK? They were just all in the bins as they came right out of the containers when I saw them and they had just got in the building and they filled the building half full with those magazines. That gives you an idea. We're talking acres of building. So that's why that still stayed down even when all the other mags have been available because PTR can't make enough to eat up the mags. Well unless you're smart. If everybody listening had a PTR bought a hundred mags, they might put some pressure on it, but I don't think so. In other words, no. It would take a lot of PTRs to do that. Even then, there are a couple of guys who have HKs I try to explain. Guy, you're not going to lose a penny. One of them has got a pre-1968 HK91. He's got 10 mags for it, which is cool. It's all original with the boxes and all the papers. It's worth more as a collector's item. But he has the money and the wherewithal. He should go out and buy 100 mags. The way he paid a stupid and ridiculous price for the gun when he bought it years ago. I mean a really cheap, cheap, cheap price by any standard. And again, ammunition is still the same price so there's nothing going to change there. His ball ammo or whatever he gets is going to be the same. It's going to be the mags where you save the money. And that's really how you should take into consideration. Anyway, Don, I know you got anything else jump in there please. I'm sorry. Well, there's a couple places I want to go but I heard another ding. Okay, let's be safe. Do we have another caller? We'll just have a caller on. There are women in the Marines now and they have to make two different hats. They are talking about making one hat, just to make it uniform. It is like when the crew act said something about when the Navy had three buttons on their underwear, the Marines had two. If you are a Marine, you better learn to get by cheaper than everybody else. The government will make sure you even try. They want to make standard the hat. Well, the male hat, the hat for the marine is high teens to build. The hat for the female in the marines costs in the 80s. I'm talking dollars here to build because it's so much more, oh hell, so much more feminine. Let's just, you know, it's a woman's hat. Did they say they see us coming? Yeah. As far as the hat here goes. That's kind of the style they want to go over to it. The hat that will be the common for the marines if they, Well, probably it's like this you guys. If a ferry is in charge of this project, have their way. It will be like the women's style hat. And it will be most of $80 just because they've been spending that money. And do you know where they're making them down? You know where those are made? Communist China. There you go. That's what I was going to say. Are they coming from China? And they're still charging how much? Oh, it's 80-some dollars for the women's marine cap right now. Yeah, and by the way, if you notice, if you go to the pictures I have, as I pointed out, on the Chinese military and on their police, their security slash secret police, they're wearing the exact same headgear. They built it there, so they just simply went to it, and all of their female personnel are wearing the same headgear. as our military, female military personnel. How do you like that? And of course we're still being charged $80 a unit from the Shysters, Blattenstein, Cohen and Bergman for something that I guarantee they'd pay no more than $1.15 for if they paid that much. And the rest is all, shall we say, pocketed between the commissar and the guy at this end. I'm telling ya. It will be for male, female and other. We should make just a third hat instead. We can have a female hat and then we have that other hat. The poof to hat? Yeah, the poof to hat. That way of course you won't be able to tell if we're coming or going so to speak. claim something about that you didn't want me to tell now did you or something like that because you didn't ask well would be advertised give you like the sag it'd be like the sanguine and say yeah if it's one of them it's one of them and everybody on those steer clear of it others will be attracted so then you know you you'll know who you want to dig their foxholes way over there way over there in fact yeah that's where the first thing that I mean with the pink scarf over there dig your foxhole over by, he's got something he wants to share with you anyway. At any rate. So I'm sorry for the Marines. There used to be people in the Marines like Krulek who would literally just beat the fairies back. And honest to God, you guys, now it's come to, well, we're going to... And this is Don's caricature of the people who thought about this, who brought this to everybody else's. attention because we need a new cap and we need something that everybody is going to like. We just can't ignore girls now. We need a new cap. I think it should be like this one because we have girls in here now. No disrespect to the Corps. But you guys, it's your job. How does that go? The few, the proud. There is another one about men in the Marines. So do what you have to do you guys. There is this thing about unit pride and all of this and that. You could look at it and say, you are going to make me wear what? I don't want to dwell on this. This is just a goofy little thing when we are in the midst of great trials and tribulations in the nation like Obamacare. Have you called up and done any check on Obamacare yet? Because if you haven't, because you have no intention on doing it, I urge you to call up or get on the computer and run into Obamacare and just open the door. Don't get to the place. I'm told that I haven't been there. You guys, I don't have a computer, but I do have a computer, but I'm not online. I'm putting my toe into the computer world. I've dropped a pebble into that pond, so to speak. We'll see what comes of that, how far the ripples progress. But if you have a computer or if you have an inkling about a phone number, I'm not certain if you can even get ahold of them with a phone number. But the big thing is that website just collapsed, Mark. It's almost an idiot drew it. It's like, where did they get this guy or this group of shysters? that created the website for Obamacare. But if we continue to push and push on it, it will continue to fail and fail. Just something to point out there because, you know, we have told you this before. If your enemy puts something on the table and it is valuable and you do not pick it up, that's your fault, not mine. It's not Mark's fault. If your enemy offers you an ability to push one of his buttons that knocks off one of his legs or tears off one of his arms and you don't push that button, you don't pick up that saw, that's not my fault, that's not Mark's fault. But we on occasion bring you and offer you a way to attack to just kick them right square in the teeth or knee or other portion of the body somewhere between their teeth and their knees. We could talk about the solar plexus or other portions, but if you don't take action, even in these small ways, if you're not willing to do this, what are you going to do with that case of 308? What are you going to do with all that 22 that you've accumulated? There are a number of different ways that we can kick them. Again, flood the website. Just bury it. Make it wonder why it ever existed. Make them think that we're going to have to get somebody else to redesign it again. You used to have to go in and the first thing you had to do was put your name in it. This is why a number of people turned away, Mark. They didn't want to be on the list. And then more on this because, you know, well, tomorrow's communications Tuesday and, you know, Obama got his national ID card, didn't he? No one wants to address it just like that, do they? But this is a government mandate to know who you are now. The V national ID card in a back door. Oh, there's those, we're going to change the hats again, reference, because you're being serviced with this one. But right in through the slide sideways and all of that, there's a national ID card under the mask behind that clown face of Obamacare. So, you know, sliding something in sideways, something that people will never see in that. There's no such thing as, and all of that on and on. Well, it's happening right now. But what we need to do is attack that website. Again, if you're not willing to do that, you might as well give that case of 3.0 ammunition under your bed to somebody else. The first thing you had to do until rather recently marked, they changed the website. The first thing you had to do when you got there was give them your name. You don't have to do that anymore. Just go in, go in, spend two minutes there and get out. Everybody listening has a computer that should do that. And you know what? We should do this at top of the hour, at quarter of the hour, at the bottom of the hour, at the quarter of the hour, at the top of the hour. Don't do it at seven minutes after. Don't do it at 22 minutes after. because you will be more alone. If we do it at the quarter hours around the clock, don't just do it at 12 minutes after because you want at eight minutes after the top because, well, I think I'm going to do it. If we do it at the top of the hour, if we do it at the quarter hour, at the bottom of the hour, the quarter hour, and the top of the hour, we will focus our efforts. The tip of the spear will be so big it will crush them. We need to continue to offer the pressure. This isn't something we've even really addressed. But this is something our opponent has left on the table. It's like a red light one time on my bike in the winter time. There was snow on the ground here and there. I stopped in the dry patch and a guy pulled up right next to me in his Lincoln. He took away my lane. I don't even have enough safe distance to drive away. I yelled at him a little bit and he showed me one of his digits there in a single digit salute. I didn't like it very much and I yelled at him a little more. He did that again so I did that back to him. It got to the point where I put the kickstand down and I walked in front of his car. He was rolling up the window really quick. When he got the window almost to the top, he held his fingers out on the tip of the window as if I was going to tear the window off. Him holding the door off and him holding the top of the window there was the only thing between him and me. Well, he did leave his fingers on the top of the window. So I introduced one of my knuckles to the tip of his finger on this side of the window rather rapidly and it hurt him so much like a child. He had three fingers in his mouth as fast as he could. He just irked me so much taking my lane and threatening literally, threatening my life and then laughing and insulting me about it that I walked around the corner there of his car. And you know when I was done I walked back in front of his car and got on my motorcycle and when the light turned green he sat there while I drove away. But all he did was leave me fingertips. And you know when I was standing next to the car, he's holding the top of his door, the top of the window, and with the other hand he's showing me that single digit salute again. Right on the finger, it's all he left me. And when I walked away, when I turned to walk away, he was sucking on his fingertips like a baby. And I got on my motorcycle and left. Again, that was the only opportunity he left me. But he was bold enough to hold the door closed but give me that single finger finger salute for the third time At any rate you guys if we do not do this we will be as that guy with his fingers in his mouth foolish foolish Let's take this thought to another let's train some guns to go Bambam and massive Bali the top of the hour the quarter of the hour the bottom of the hour the quarter of the hour the top of the hour Let's do it across the business hours across the continent from 8 o'clock in the morning on the east coast to 8 o'clock in the evening on the west coast and just crush that website. Let's do that. Let's do that. It's something that we can do and it will be more than fingers foolish in their mouth because all of a sudden, wow, look what I did to my fingers. At any rate, let's train a whole bunch of guns in that direction and you know what? We still have other batteries on the other end of the ship, don't we? Let's take a few of those and call out that azimuth and elevation. Because this one is really in a window here and we're only a few days away from November 1st, aren't we? Remember we were talking about calling up your cable company and telling them that you're going to, oh, this is a pressure thing. We addressed this for a while. We aren't the only people addressing this you guys here. We brought this. This came from the think tank. We were allowed to bring this to you guys first and then it spread to other radio people. So we're not the only people talking about this. I urge you in the same thought, in the same spirit, bring the guns to bear. This is something that we can do. Call up your cable company and tell them, I'm going to cancel my cable on November 1st and they'll ask you why. You'll tell them, well, because you haven't. They will say, this is the thumbnail version of this. They will say, we will have nothing to do with that, sir. You just say, just watch. They might call you ma'am. We have nothing to do with that, ma'am. If you have your wife call or if you are calling yourself and you are a woman, we have nothing to do with that, ma'am. You will tell them, just watch. We will see. Thank you very much. What is happening is you are hitting, you are cutting off access. from the advertisers, the people who pay to come to your living room. And when they see that their numbers are going down, they pay big big money to come into your living room to get results. And when they think that their money isn't going anywhere, they're going to cut it off. They're also going to be complaining about, look what's happening. This is a way to reach into the banker's pocket. And again, you know, two turrets on the foredeck there with three guns of breast are going to be firing at one target, aren't they? And while we're putting torpedoes in the water and that turret on the back deck there, just almost a wash because the sea is rough today, isn't it? It's sending projectiles downrange at the same target that those torpedoes are going at, isn't it? We can kind of, you know, do fronts at one time in this small effort. Because this is a real small effort compared to, well, hand me another case of 308, isn't it? Destroy the health care top of the hour, at the quarter of the hour, at the bottom of the hour, at the quarter of the hour, at the top of the hour, from 8 o'clock in the morning, on the AM in the east coast to 8 o'clock at night, on the AM on the west coast. This is a mission that we can do. And if we don't do it, you might as well drag that case of ammunition out from under your bed and give it to somebody else or just stand out there and shoot it off at New Year's Eve until there ain't nothing left. Because if you're not willing to, I'm serious, deadly about this, if you're not willing to do dinky little efforts like this, if you're not willing to join a crowd to make something happen, I really don't think that you're going to do anything with that case of 308 other than just blast it off on New Year's Eve. And I'm really being, you know, this, hey, this is worse than hold out your hands, I'm going to hit you with the ruler. This is a wake up call. These are dinky little things that we ask you to do. dinky little things compared to, well we might die today boys, but we got to do this. We might die today boys, but we got to do this. Go on the healthcare website and harassing them a couple of times on the quarter of the hour, the bottom of the hour, the top of the hour, the quarter of the hour, throughout the day for the next week isn't going to kill you, is it? I'll be quiet now Mark. Again, taking into consideration, as we've said many hands make for light work, if everybody pitches in and just does something for a minute and then gets on to the next task, it only takes but a few minutes to accomplish the mission. PO, the guys to no end, they really hate it when we do that. Gets all over their moodlets and everything, you know, senior. I'll give you that ad with the nachos chips. Gets all over my moodlets and everything. Well, that's what happens when we throw stuff at them. The big thing is, as we've said, we aren't going to slow down on organizing physically. And I am never going to disagree with the idea of throwing more flack. Throwing stuff at the bad guys means they get to play little Dutch boy. and all these different tasks, if everybody were to pitch in, we already know we outnumber them. Their machine can't handle, hell, their machine, or at least let's put it this way, the punked out piece of trash they put together called Oh Bummer Care, well that demonstrated their high percentage of, you know, their high level of performance and their abilities, guys. Every time we fracture, quote, their machine, the people who operate it tend to doubt it more and more. Yeah, they do. They become less. faithful people running the machine, less trustworthy dogs on their side. I'm sorry to interrupt your mark. They're not as horrible as I thought they were. It's not going the way we planned it. Yes, everything is according according to plan. Well really Emperor, your face looks like the rear end of a like a sharp A or something here, dude. You're like look like wrinkled prune. That was plan. We still don't have the Ruby shoes. Yeah, exactly. What about Vader? He lost all his legs and hands. I mean come on man. I mean you got one arm, but you're gonna take that one aren't you? I knew you're gonna do it. These are things that we can do though you guys. That stuff that can be done and done in a very short period of time and then armed with another mission guys. Yeah, just make it part of the schedule. Don, your number for night vision please. It's 2317968458231, 7968458. And I'll be available in just a minute guys. You can call in, God bless the Republic. Death to the New World Order. We shall prevail, ladies and gentlemen. The Empire is on the run. But we are on the march, both day and night. Ura, your number for night vision, Don and closest, please. That number is 23179684582317968458. Thank you, Mark. God bless you. God bless you, America. We all need to prepare ourselves. You might have the food, water, gold and silver, but ask yourself, are you truly prepared? That's why you need to visit mainmilitary.com. Mainmilitary.com carries everything you need. 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